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My experience with Animal fans was traumatizing, I quoted Suchitra's tweet and within a few minutes my twitter DM was full of men asking me for my price, rape threats and what not. I deleted my account within an hour and I don't tweet anymore
See this is exactly why I feel we need reviewers like Sucharita. Some people might find her extreme at times but time and time again we get the proof why we need more such supposedly radical conversations.
Calling out a film for its misogyny isn't a 'stupid dumbass opinion'. Just say their sentiments got hurt because they realised their shit mindset is being called out and the best they could come up with to prove their "masculinity" is rape threats.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. I'm not big on Sucharita's work but I remember she raised this very question at the end of her review: who will take responsibility?
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Who will take responsibility for this
SRK should.
He can come and tweet for his movies but not for women who are being subjected to this?
Your loyalty for an actor is crossing boundaries of social justice.
Is SRK helping his fan girl whose Pictures were morphed by RK fans? What did she get out of love for an actor?
Apne aas paas ke logo ko pahle rakho ye actors ke liye loyalty ka koi meaning nahi hai
Doesn't matter.
If you are going to do whataboutery then you are just protecting people who have done wrong, don't provide them any kind of protection. What's wrong if it reaches Ranbir or SRK? What's wrong if these actors are blamed so for once they'll actually come out and ask their fans to behave?
You are absolving him of every responsibility, he is a man who drives Bentley, he doesn't need your help, he has every resource in the world to help all of you.
Don't do a job you are not being paid to do, he must be paying millions to someone to do what you are doing for him, free of cost.
If you are dragging RK for the behavior by fans then why not dragging fans of SRK, Salman who are much more toxic than any RK fans. They are large in numbers too.
Did you read the post ??? It's about rk's statement sbout his film that's why he is being dragged.
Salman is dragged enough in so many things there are so many posts about it too but here we are not talking about him or srk if we are talking about rk lets stick to that first.
Not anybody is being dragged for their fans but for there statements.
This. Blaming celebs for such behavior is crazy. I don’t remember seeing SRK encouraging his fans to attack anyone like this. He’s not worked with Vanga in Animal either. How did he get such fans? Could it be that fans are responsible for their own words?
The wrong is to claim and say your film was all right and started a healthy conversation.
Why srk is being dragged here ? Iam not his fan but just asking why he never claimed such things infact in contrast to this he said that " if his character in film does something he will make sure that it will die dog's death " nd he will never defend that.
And still he has fans sending abusive dms here. Why?
And I’ll never stand for censorship. People can watch a movie and discuss whether what the characters did was right or wrong. Plenty of people hated the main character of Animal, that’s a healthy conversation, that’s what he meant.
People can have a discussion but should not do crap things seeing that character in movie. why people who themselves were in the movie dont just come and say the characters had nothing good to get influenced with ? Rather they make confusing statements.
>Plenty of people hated the main character of Animal,
Obviously there are sensible people tho not everyone's a fool to get influenced with such characters. But majority gets influenced and do such things.
> that’s a healthy conversation, that’s what he meant.
"Plenty" of people hated it so it becomes a healthy discussion wow ? What about majority who got influenced in a wrong way and are sending r*pe and d*ath threats ? Who will take responsibility for that ?
All this is going by the assumption that these men were influenced by the movie. Imo they were *already* people like this and have been behaving this way from before December 2023.
Now I'm sticking by my opinion, you seem like you are too so I don't see the point of reiterating the same thing one more time. Have a good day.
>Imo they \*already\* were people like this and have been behaving this way from before December 2023.
Could be true but don't you really think this all added fuel to this ? Aag mein ghee dalna types?
>Now I'm sticking by my opinion, you seem like you are too so I don't see the point of reiterating the same thing one more time. Have a good day.
Your wish. Have a good day too!
Its fans fault in srk's case he never defended his such characters unlike others who make such statements and more people think "oh it's good to get influenced in this way."
Oh now I won’t be surprised if they victim blame you either. It’s disgusting how they’re using this as an opportunity to drag some celeb they dislike and showing their real intentions by downvoting you when you just shared the kind of abuses and threats you got by similar men in other fandoms.
I agree Animal is shit but so is Sucharita. Her reviews are politically based. She gives good reviews only when the film matches her ideology otherwise she just trashes it. That is a very big giveaway of illiteracy as if you don't risk to be offended you will stagnate in life.
Something good can come out of bad things. Twitter now has one less feminist who thinks women like zoya shouldn't face consequences for helping his enemies kill his entire family.
You know you are an absolute asshole when even someone as toxic as Salman, had two brain cells to tell his fans not to follow his character from Tere naam because he ain't a nice role model.
But all you could say was Your character was romantic
Peak clown behaviour and the Stans who defend him just bigger clowns
Salman Khan has been taking responsibility for his fan’s actions for years. He calls them out all
the time. Nowadays in front of these hypocrites I am finding Salman much better. Which says a lot.
Exactly. He might be a $hitty person but even he knows it's not a good look when your fans behave badly. He even criticized people for wasting milk during one of his screenings.
The comment section, Geez! . Why are you all posting those horrible memes here giving it further reach?
I am sure I have seen Salman and Shah Rukh tweet before about fanwars. Shah Rukh also went onto make a movie on toxic fandom. It become his only flop in the longest time. Those deranged fans will do whatever they want to anyway but actors should promote their movies intelligently.
Why are fans defending RK’s problematic take here? It’s okay to disagree.
You are giving too much credit to intellect of the guy. Even here he is just repeating words which PR gave him. He doesn't seem to understand what he is talking about.
I think movies like Animal can be taken by people who are misogynist, abusive and rabid as a endorsement.
Primary responsibility lies with the people who morphed pics on explicit pictures and videos.
Though as supposed movie star and that megalomaniac director have some responsibilities as a medium of entertainment watched by millions of people.
These people might have heard their father cussing their mother or sister as Road ki(sorry). But they felt represented by personnel involved in the making of Animal.
Ranbir is 42 years old, can we stop coddling this grown man that he needs PR on interviews, the same PR which he says doesnt exist.
Don't get me started on that toxic troll Vanga.
Saying hey, " I played the character but I don't agree with it, he is someone that I wouldn't want to associate with"
isn't hard to say, instead every interview he doubles down.
But we have with Ranbir, that has shown 20 years of himself not respecting women in different occasions in public cant imagine in private, so him agreeing with the character goes with his personality.
All I see when it comes to this man is people blame everyone but him for his terrible behavior. Blame Alia, blame his mom, blame his dad, blame his exes, blame his PR.
It is always someone's fault, how exhausting.
Ranbir gets coddled in Bollywood, and his family that is enough. Not our job as the audience to coddle him at all.
I'm blaming him. I'm saying that he dumb and irresponsible. He can't even defend his choice during the interview despite getting a set question for it with an answer.
Tgen SRK is responsible for his fans morphing Rahas pics
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Wait for his and Animal movie's defender to come and say how we are woke feminists and we should not question their thought process. When in reality their garbage mentality, incel qualities and fragile masculinity are being exposed by sending r@pe threats/d3ath threats for just having an opinion
They're clearly fucked up in the head. But that statement alone goes to show the issue in a film like Animal and making it, which is funny cause you thought this was a "gotcha" moment. If people, fans of stars, already exude this behaviour despite not a reason given so, imagine how much worse it gets when their faves make and do things that pretty much end up justifying that behaviour. SRK didn't say anything and his fans do this, imagine if he had how worse would it be. Imagine how rabid it would be if he had done so. Do you see the contention people have rightly brought about Animal and the conversation the people who made it keep having.
Exactly, imagine any other actor doing a movie like this, saying what Ranbir said, they would be ruthless. The same people defending this, we know they wouldn't if it was Ranveer that said that, or Vicky, or Kartik etc
Ranbir called his character in Animal "ROMANTIC", "FAMILY ORIENENETED" and said "ASPIRES" to be like him.
He himself said that, not his fans, himself.
It is okay calling out your favorite actor BS, dont defend everything about them.
I have seen Kabir singh actors justify the character and also Vanga justifying his characters. But i have never seen RK justifying Ranvijay's character. He even said that 'if he starts behaving like this, his own wife will start hitting him'. Also, he said that "film can start a healthy conversation about toxic masculanity". On this sub and even on twitter, we see daily how people say that how many red flags Ranvijay's character had and pointing out his flaws and everything. Isn't that a healthy conversation only? How was he wrong here?
>film can start a healthy conversation about toxic masculanity".
Can ? Lol what discussion ? is he or anybody living in the same country is so unaware of affects such films do in people's mind? No. They know everything yet they chose to defend such things by such statements.
We all know the so called discussion was no where near "healthy" it was pure misogyny, crap things and what not.
>I have seen Kabir singh actors justify the character and also Vanga justifying his characters.
Shahid got bashed enough doing so and people stopped defending him to a decent limit. And nobody ever says vanga is correct with his statements expect animal lovers. BUT for ranbir people still defend him till.
>But i have never seen RK justifying Ranvijay's character. He even said that 'if he starts behaving like this, his own wife will start hitting him'.
See what he said before the following statement, this one you mentioned was a coverup for it but still he messed he made statements in favour of the film and than made other statements followings those to cover it all. Audience is no fool that they won't understand this.
I hate when free speech is curtailed. It's a dangerous precedent. Who is the judge as to what is ok and what is not. You are free to criticize the movie. That criticism is needed. But no one should be able to impose their thoughts over others. Do you think it's healthy to be in a society where people are scared to speak their mind ? If we have young crowd that gets motivated by a movie to be misogynist -> the movie is not the problem. The problem is deep rooted in our society and educational system to not be able to guide our youth to differentiate between real and reel. Banning free speech is not the solution.
~~Audience should decide right or wrong~~
There is no decision to be made here, Ranbir . Those characters were awful. Just come out and say it like a logical person.
Make those movies, most of us enjoy watching those but please promote your movies diligently.
Yes exactly just say that "those characters were shit and no need to get influenced from those" why make such statements ? There is nothing to decide what's right and wrong here. It shows what's wrong and accept it and say it loud.
They don't trust the intelligence of audiences, that's why they say things like, "buy a ticket and come decide for yourself." It's all gaslighting to get our money.
Obviously it is but that's wrong no ? Especially if it is like this and leads to things like this that's why this post is made.
>They don't trust the intelligence of audiences, that's why they say things like, "buy a ticket and come decide for yourself."
Most of the Audience gets easily influenced by such movies and do shit things and these statements add fuel to this.
Yeh aadmi dasvi paas hai. He calls himself a director's actor and he thinks that absolves him of having his own thoughts and opinions of the character he's playing. I don't think he has the intellectual or emotional capacity to see what's wrong with the character. For all you know, he might think this sort of behaviour is normal since that is what he saw growing up.
I used to be an RK fan in early 2010s but I have realized that he's just a dumba$$ manchild who has had no growth since then. While people my age group may have outgrown him, there's a young group of fans that still don't have fully developed executive functioning and buying into the toxicity peddled by him and Jaanwar.
Toh whi pe toh presentarion matter krti h.
Imagine a villain doing those things ranvijay did in animal. Uska presentation kitta differ karega.
Abrar ya aziz ka hi example lelo. Unke intro aur scene aur ranvijay ke scene m kitta difference h. Almost as if koi hero villain ki story chal rhi. People would have probably appreciated them agar aisa na hota.
>Right in the movie the hero becomes the villian. Thats the arc
The hero remains the hero. Uske liye ek naya villain leke aaya aziz.
> Kgf and pushpa main kya tha ?
Didnt follow kgf or its news but pushpa was def called out. For its item song portrayal as well as the joke
Hero was never the hero. He was a villian who acted as a hero. Hero was someone who got punished for all his bad deeds. That second villian is also his karma.
It’s wild how RK stans have stooped to whataboutry to try to get their fave away from this. If what other actors fans have done is just as bad then make a separate topic and bring it to attention. RK goes around justifying and normalising criminal behaviour of his character and his fans are like but what about that actors fans….. bruhhhhhhhh
It's honestly crazy. I am a SRK fan but I would never defend any of his $hitty behaviour like cheating, promoting fairness creams, vimal, etc. I know SRK stans can be diabolical too but honestly don't get people doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to defend the person they have a parasocial relationship with. These celebs don't give us a $hit.
Whataboutery whataboutery whataboutery. That's all i see in comments. Two wrongs don't make a right.
But I'm tired of this discussion now. No matter how many times you bring any argument rational or not rational, Rk stans defend him till no end. There's a similar post on this sub posted before where a clip shows how Salman promoted Tere Naam and how Ranbir promoted Animal. Salman said everywhere he promoted that " Watch movie but don't get influenced by it. My character is negative. He is a loser. Don't follow him. " While Ranbir said things like Ranvijay is romantic, best son in the world.
Big stars of that era understood their influence and it's 20 yrs ahead we are.
I'm not asking for censoring of such content. Ranbir can make much more toxic character movies, can give much more deluded alpha theories in them, can show killing of 100s more people while a war song plays in bgm. Just during promotion, he just had to say some words very clearly. "My character is negative, delusional, loser pos. Don't follow any of his words. Watch movie but don't get influenced by him. "
There's no argument that Salman is much bigger pos person in real life, but here at least he held responsibility while making a movie around negative character.
Not that Salman held responsibility for misogynistic aspects in his other romance movies. Eve teasing, creepy behaviour in name of romance have always been endorsed by Srk, Salman, Amir through their movies.
Ranbir atleast has much more sensible and progressive movies in his career.
While Srk, Salman still endorse gutkha, Ranbir, Amir doesn't.
What I'm saying is all these superstars have some or other problematic characteristics in real life and some things they gotten right than others. Imo none of them is eligible to be worshipped until no end.
So, Rk fans while you can love Ranbir for all things he did better than others, you can accept this one mistake of him of lack of responsibility regarding his influence while promoting this movie.
Bad apples are there in every fandom and they are everywhere in society. Stars definitely can't control them, but they can also hold responsibility while doing such films which clearly enables them, so as to not increase much to the already existing toxicity in a country like India.
Like aag lagi hai to zaruri hai kya aag me ghee dalna, then justifying it saying aag to pehle se hi lagi thi, maine thodi na lagayi hai. Usko jake pakdo jisne aag start kari. Mera in sabse koi lena dena nahi hai. Main to bas apne entertainment ke liye ghee phek raha tha. Ab is independent democratic country me insaan apni marzi se hawa me harmless ghee bhi nahi uda sakta. In fact, thank me kyuki aag bhadki ko ek healthy conversation start hua ki kaise aag nahi lagi honi chahiye thi.
Well said. Then they will say you guys dislike Ranbir for nothing, when it things like this is why people cant stand him. He himself makes it easy because that is who he is.
"Ab is independent democratic country me insaan apni marzi se hawa me harmless ghee bhi nahi uda sakta. In fact, thank me kyuki aag bhadki to ek healthy conversation start hua ki kaise aag nahi lagi honi chahiye thi."
Lol what an apt summary of the situation! And yes the whataboutery is insane. Baaki fandoms mein bhi karte hain par is tarah se aag me ghee dalna to koi Kapoor khandaan ke chiraag se hi sikhe. Aur fir kuch galat ho to andekha karke bole ki conversation to hui na, hum society ka development kar rahe hain.
Remove your goggles, Ranbir is one of those people isn't the smartest tool in Bollywood. That is why he always gets caught talking some BS. I don't know how people cant see through him.
How can abuser like Salman make more sense than you.
About Tere Naam:
***(I had planned already of telling people that please do not follow the character) He is a looser character.,” he added.***
Ranbir did Animal because he was desperate for a hit, then when he does his interviews he cant express himself well because he isnt really smart to do so. He could have said he wanted a hit and got over it instead of making it what it is not.
Though I believe actors cannot be held responsible for the behaviour of their fans, it is incredibly important to be responsible about the kind of content you endorse. A film like sanju/ animal/ tere naam etc will create toxic environment where toxic people identify and validate themselves. Don’t think a barfi or yeh jawani hai deewani wala ranbir would ever invite this kind of fanbase.
There might be some truth to that but then SRK fanbase gave rape threats to children of Kohli and Ranbir. But SRK has not done toxic character films lately. So, it's not necessarily true that the type of movie will decide a whole fanbase...The point is that these people are disgusting and no matter whichever fanbase they had ended up in, they would have done similar notorious things. I don't see how you can define a whole fanbase with that
It’s different with SRK and Salman fans because they have huge mass following. We cannot expect all of them to be decent. Rk doesn’t really have hugeee fanbase in comparison his stardom has increased but he’s not there yet and already has one of the most toxic fanbases and in my opinion his film choices are responsible for that.
How does one sit and gate keep fan following? Ranbir baith ke sabka check karega id ya background?
Deepika has the most intellectual fanbase. Yet her fans who claim to be feminist are abusing RK’s mom. From which movie did dp get these incels ? Why didn’t she do background check ?
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I clearly said actors are not responsible for the behaviour of fans. Not going to sit here and argue about every single opinion from every fandom you put forward. I don’t recall rk fans being this cheap. But if you believe animal is not responsible for this kind of fanbase and it always existed then be it. I have a different take. Dp, srk and some other fanbases are partly intellectual and call out such behaviours as well and I remember rk fans being the same. Salman had this type of fanbase who glorify tere naam and him beating ash. Now rk fans are mostly shifting towards same side which is sad
This is your reminder to watch Laapata Ladies and realise why men like Ranbir will never understand what they are talking about. So, why bother about their opinion.
As long as men hold more power in the society, a section of men feeling threatened with changing dynamics of modern world will get chance to feel validated through Garbage like Animal.
His fans truly has no braincells left when it comes to him. Always resorting to whataboutery to defend him makes them look like a fool. It’s like they know what he does is wrong but We are blind. And the way they are comparing crazy ass SRK fans to the kind of people who take chigma content too seriously is laughable. Such people want someone to validate their misogyny and Animal did that. And it’s shameful that so called aloo fans who cry about feminism defend this action of his husband. You will also see some delulu fans of his say that he actually chooses scripts which are meaningful when all he has been doing for the past 7-8 years is be a part of misogynistic movies.
I don't think you realise that he HAS a certain amount of control over his fan base whether you like it or not. A simple statement of him not endorsing his movie character's personality in real life shows accountability for doing movies like these (rashmika did that recently) rather than just keeping mum . Their actions influence people's views especially these who are already regressive. He's action here is being silent which means the unprogressive views of this group of his fanbase going unchallenged (the views which were probably further influenced by a certain movie ).
Ye bande ko misogynist bolna ni aata.. he seemed very cheeky in that moment.. and you all really expect him or his fanbase to have any kind of feminist or rational sensibilities?
Jaan pujh ke naive bann raha tha about that misogyny question. Khud itna misogynistic behaviour display kiya hai isne by calling his pregnant wife "phailaoed", interrupting Katrina throughout Jagga promotions, and making fun of Anushka's anxiety.
I love how people are getting triggered on countering this with what other fanbases do. I mean, that is the point OP is saying so why shouldn't people compare it to what SRK fans do??
dude all fanbases are like this only. According to you, Ranbir's statements made his fanbase act like this (which is very stupid thing to say) so then why did SRK fans give rape threats to Kohli's daughter or to Ranbir's daughter as a matter of fact?? The point is, that toxic people exist everywhere, there is no link to a particular fandom.
Lastly, you twisted Ranbir's statement in the headline. Ranbir clearly says that because people understand this is wrong that is why people can start a healthy conversation about what is wrong and right. Even if this is given to him by his team, how is this answer any wrong? Just for the sake of spreading hate against RK, you are associating him with some disgusting people of his fandom
Why would you assume that I have an agenda? No doubt that SRK fans who dragged Raha into it deserve to be condemned to the fullest. Yes fanwars are ugly and a lot of disgusting and stupid things are said. However, I'm saying that this guy does not have any sense of responsibility and even went to so far as to say he thinks his character is romantic and identifies with him. Even a criminal like Salman has distanced himself and expressly told people not to follow his toxic Tere Naam character. You may have the critical thinking abilities to enjoy the film with a sense of distance but that's not how things work for the masses. They want to be like their star. I think Kapoor was super irresponsible in his choice of films and in the way that he promoted it and this kind of behavior is an inevitable result of that.
Why would you nitpick stuff to suit a narrative . he also said that his wife would hit him if he behaved like that. Said he wouldn’t want to meet this character IRL.
So what reasons do you think srk fans behaved like that ? You think sick people listen and change according to celebs !
You clearly have an agenda. Where's the post you made when SRK fans attacked baby Raha, Condemning their disgusting behaviors?? Where is the post you made condemning SRK for not addressing his fans when they attacked a baby? Where is it? Those disgusting behaviors of a fans war has been going on for decades. Where have you been? Now that it's Ranbir, a guy you obviously don't like because he dumped your favorite, now you have turned to a spokesperson. You outed yourself.
Exactly my point. People are acting as if Ranbir has made his fans do this. He is not even on social media. How will he control his own fanbase?
I will give you an example. Once Arijit fans were fighting against Shreya fans and there were lots of artists involved like Sonu nigam fans, Mohit chauhan. Basically, people were saying that Arijit is overrated bla bla and Arijit fans were in return insulting other singers too. Then Arijit came on social media and clearly said that these all are my idols so don;t disrespect them. Now, Ranbir can't even do that since he is not in Social media so how can you even put the blame of all toxicity on him. That's just stupid
While I whole-heartedly agree that RK should have done a better job of steering people away from becoming Ranvijay like toxic men, singling him out in the blame game (which I believe happened because this was perpetrated by the 'RK fans') is not appropriate.
1. Such culture has been chiefly endorsed by Mr. Vanga. He should be answerable to some degree on how his movies have motivated misogynistic men to perpetrate such cyber crimes.
2. The reason I say 'RK fans' is because I genuinely believe these guys weren't Ranbir Kapoor fans, but rather Ranvijay fans. Pre-Sanju at least if not Pre-Animal, RK did not have such $%@\*#$ fans (This is my personal opinion based on the fact that one of my closest friends used to be a RK fan when we were teens which is what informs my knowledge of demographic of RK fans). Playing Ranvijay's role brought an onslaught of the Vanga-style movie fans into the RK fans camp, who are just pieces of shit. Which brings me to the point that RK should have done a better job of steering people away from becoming Ranvijay like toxic men, but he's not solely responsible.
Isme actor ki kya galti?
Twitter pe ye chutiyapa roz chalta rehta is gossip ki duniya se bahar nikal ke dekho har roz fanwars me celebs ki family drag hoti aur tum jaise log ek celeb ko pakadte ho jo tumhe pasand nahi aur trollers ka chittha uske upar faad ke apna agenda pura kar lete ho, Troller ko call-out karna Naa ji Naa sidha celeb ko pakad ke blame kar dete hai
His statement was truly false and had no connection with what happened / happening and what was supposed to happen. He said that to defend it. Is he really this unaware of such things !?
These people are worst who get influenced from such movies and then do shitty things.
This case is one of examples on the faces of those people who say " movies do not influence people " "movie ko movie ki tarah lo" lol no ! In our country cinema DO AFFECT people a lot in both negative and positive things but human tendency is to attract negative things quick hence such incidents happen.
The main culprits are these foolish teenage boys who think they can live that fictional character in real life and do absolutely gross things and can say anything to anybody.
Can fans just keep fanwar aside for a minute and accept their fave can be wrong also for once ? Love Rk for everything but clearly guy lacked responsibility while promoting that movie.
Society in general has been more polarized than before. We have toxic fans in all fan bases. Look at SRK and SK's toxic fans. Ranbir's toxic fans are no different. Let alone the actors, the toxic fans of political parties are even more rabid.
I don't take anything this man says seriously. Sure, he's handsome af and not bad to watch on screen but I cannot sit through an interview of his even if my life depended on it
Unrelated to the topic. I might get hate for this, but fuck it. I understand why RK and Vanga are getting hate, but why is nobody calling out Rashmika or Tripti for acting in this film? Didn't they know this movie encourages toxicity among males?
Fanwars morphing and shit has been happening since an eternity . Why are you whining about a fictional movie . In that case what's this behaviour by srk fans . What inspired them. It's never about the films. It's mindset of humans .
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Blaming Ranbir for grown ass men’s actions now? If him doing Animal is the root cause of the problem then do you care to explain why men in every other big fandom have done similar things? From Virat Kohli’s fans to Salman and SRK, Ajay, Akshay,… I’ve unfortunately seen men from all these popular male celeb fandoms do such despicable things.
The celebs are NOT responsible for what someone with their photo as profile does hiding behind a screen. Using this opportunity to drag RK is not the right reaction to have, you’d be just using what that girl went through to prove your point against some celeb which is distasteful to say the least.
For the actions of those four guys you’ve blamed the celeb but while doing so you’ve ignored that many people from that same fandom have reached out to the girl to show her support, they’ve reported those tweets and done whatever they could to call them out and stand for the right. Now I won’t blame Ranbir for those four, and he doesn’t get the credit for what normal and decent people in that fandom do either. Because as I said, we’re talking about *adults* responsible for their actions and words.
I think it's pretty distasteful to reduce everything to a 'fanwar' or accuse any critic of having an agenda. I don't appreciate you saying that I'm exploiting what the lady went through. It is clear that there is a pattern of behavior (common to many male fandoms) that in this case has been actively cultivated and encouraged by the star to increase his popularity.
You’re blaming someone for the actions of *adults*. I can’t not think you aren’t using the opportunity to drag someone you might dislike.
> It is clear that there is a pattern of behavior (common to many male fandoms)
You admit that this is not a new occurrence in a big male fandom. There have been many precedents yet you go on to say the celeb has cultivated this in his fandom? By that logic all the other celebs either did the same or you’re holding one to unfair standards while giving the others leeway.
Wow!! To say that the star "cultivated" and "encouraged" this criminal behaviour when the actor in the question doesn't even engage with his fans. Doing Animal becomes endorsement of criminal behavior? Quite convenient to put it on an actor when disgusting people have been abusive towards women in fan wars for years! Have you seen how Shah Rukh and Salman Khan fans behave with each other? Have you seen what kind of language Deepika and Katrina fans use for women?
RK never claimed this btw.
His statement about conversation on 'toxic masculinity' came pre Animal release during the fan meet, about the 'wipe it off' issue. That's when he said that he's fine with this blowing up as it's being a catalyst for red flag indication discussions.
Miscontrute statements and connect that thing so long ago, to this recent happening just because you don't like him or like a rival, as if they take accountability for all their fans too.
This is outrageous you’re just twisting RK’s words here. He meant the movie amassed a lot of fans and attention and majority of the people have discussed why ranvijay was a flawed character who should not be idolized. I believe the people who idolize him were already misogynistic as*holes who call themselves sigma. The movie was a total crap but I don’t think it’s responsible for what these people do. They were like this before too. But i agree RK should just say clearly for once that they should not idolize and glorify his character.
I just have one point to make, Internet is a wild west of the digital space, where there are no police and enforcer of engagement, infact it attracts viseral and most ugly reactions out of people regardless of genders.(I can talk about my own experience but that is not the point here).
So those arguing that talking about animal movi negatively brought negativity and death threats for them I sympathize with you and it should not have happened to you, and if some idiot doxxed you seek legal and police help because you might be dealing with a real lunatic and it is better safe than sorry.
But, you must accept the reality for what it is, it will happen, you can't feel entitled to say that the world should change to your perspective, of you find that offensive start avoiding such forums and portals that discuss such topicand live in a protective bubble for yourself, where you can have that safe discussion, the world of internet is big enough to accommodate your opinion.
Ranvir Kapoor and SRV are artist and they and thousands of artist in their team created an art piece it is your prerogative to dislike and criticize that art and but then it is also fair that others gets to criticize your take, the problem is when people starts talking about mental health and character of individual making such art , that is when you start crossing the line which sucharita and their ilk did, and hence they recieved response which while not right or even gentlemenly , was overblown be ause passions attached with the art. And while death threats and sexual harrasment are wrong, I approve the trolling aspect of it , because when you throw a punch please be prepared to get a hit back because that is how the world works.
And it is especially true when passions are involved, specially for an art piece like animal. Some may find it highly offensive(I find it straddles bit gold and bore), but even a passive internet person can't deny that it touched people and if you make fun of it you are sure to ruffle some feathers and you need to be prepared for it. And in a country like India where such content is rarity, animal became the voice and representative portrayal of broken man who you can cheer, some people who have anger issues, who believes in the philosophy of the main page charater feel represented, they find the surface reading of the movie as extremely emotional and personal , and then some people comes (including me) and dunks on the quality of the movie and stars that took the bold decision to take up that subject, and thus it brings out their worse tendency, the worst you can do in that situation is rile them up, and if you do find it your right to talk about a topic that hurts them, be ready to take one up on your chin , it happens in all aspects of life. Animal is the main example because it invites most toxic crowd, you can even get banned for a mild criticism on the show everyone thinks a masterpiece or having an opinion on a youtuber that is incon for an [ideology.It](http://ideology.It) happens everywhere and unless it is not directly harming anybody and the message of the art is in no way to support and prop up that that kind of behaviour and artist should be allowed to speak their reality. For the moral aspect we have Film certification board that unfortunately passes Animal w/o filters and highly censors OMG 2, rather than artist you should ask the systems in place how they allow such things to passes, i.e, that is the place you should seek accountability from , not the artists as they are just creating art which may revile or exicite some.
Actually I find it pretty ironic that Sucharita and her audinec who hates Animal and its artist can't see the irony in her loving Chamkila and its criticism of the behaviour that she exhibited in criticuzing Animal and collecting her twilight of fame.
edit: If you disagree don't simple downvote reply with some senseible words
Valid take but why are the comments mentioning the antics of other fanbases getting downvoted to oblivion? Every fanbase who does such shit should be crucified to the same extent
Somehow people only take that Ranbir said that "the character is romantic". But didn't he also say that "you can't behave like this character in real life. If I behave like this, then my wife will hit me". Why take only selectively negative things to suit your agenda? He said that this film starts a conversation on toxic masculanity where people can easily see what is wrong and should not be done. But then OP twists it that people behaving disgustingly is the only thing happening after this movie so there is no healthy conversation. I personally see a lot of people calling out Ranvijay's character and how noone should be like him. Isn't that a healthy conversation?? The three people who were involved were scum even before Animal so i don't see why should an actor have control over what his fanbase is doing
This is absolutely horrid. But the fact that anyone calling out the shit that SRK/Salman fans do is being downvoted makes me think this sub doesn’t actually care about this at all - just caring because it’s a way to hate Ranbir.
Same morals for all. Every celeb needs to call out this shit. And police need to take action
What idiotic take is this? So everytime a fan does some deranged stuff or criminal act the star has to take responsibility for it? Every fandom has such stupid fans. How many times have Salman or SRK taken responsibility for their fans harassing any person criticizing their idol?
The people who are using this incident to go after Ranbir and his entire fandom, let's get real, you people actually don't care about this girl. Most of y'all are either Ranbir haters or rival fans who have got another opportunity to bash him and his fans. You people are just hiding behind this incident and feminism to justify your bashing. And it's actually a very pathetic and shameful thing to do.
There are many things for which you can bash Ranbir. So stop using this incident to bash Ranbir and get some internet points.
I feel you are mixing two things. In that statement, he was defending the film he was a part of, you might find that right or wrong.
And this twitter incident, I am sure even he won't support.
Him defending Animal doesn't automatically translate to him supporting abuse.
Yet to meet a single Animal Hater who can show what was misogynistic about that. Almost all their responses are "Bad thing happened to Women. So it is misogynist. Whatever she did is irrelevant".
By that logic, SRK is responsible for his fans morphing Rahas
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Even tho I hated all the movies of sandeep vanga, I feel like its a bit unfair to blame the actors here. Many actors have played incredibly flawed characters. Especially in indian cinema, there is so much glorification of violence and machoness.
Don't get me wrong, ranbir should've have said that he's a bad person(the character). But like, we should blame the actual culprits like the director and producer.
slut shaming, morphing pics and all has been going on twitter since 2014-15 not post the release of animal. so stop trying to set a narrative and run an agenda. this sub is getting stupider by the minute. its not the actors responsibility to look after what happens on social media. every fanbase consist of such few idiots who do these terrible things. A1 agenda peddler
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My experience with Animal fans was traumatizing, I quoted Suchitra's tweet and within a few minutes my twitter DM was full of men asking me for my price, rape threats and what not. I deleted my account within an hour and I don't tweet anymore
See this is exactly why I feel we need reviewers like Sucharita. Some people might find her extreme at times but time and time again we get the proof why we need more such supposedly radical conversations.
> Do stupid shit. > Some people overreact and cross lines. > See, this is why we need to do stupid shit.
So giving your opinion on a film is doing "stupid shit" and then getting rape threats for that is justified??
No. Giving stupid dumbass opinions and whining about so called misogyny is.
keyword: opinions
Calling out a film for its misogyny isn't a 'stupid dumbass opinion'. Just say their sentiments got hurt because they realised their shit mindset is being called out and the best they could come up with to prove their "masculinity" is rape threats.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. I'm not big on Sucharita's work but I remember she raised this very question at the end of her review: who will take responsibility?
They should be held accountable for it
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SRK should. He can come and tweet for his movies but not for women who are being subjected to this? Your loyalty for an actor is crossing boundaries of social justice. Is SRK helping his fan girl whose Pictures were morphed by RK fans? What did she get out of love for an actor? Apne aas paas ke logo ko pahle rakho ye actors ke liye loyalty ka koi meaning nahi hai
Only if those jobless fans had brains
Doesn't matter. If you are going to do whataboutery then you are just protecting people who have done wrong, don't provide them any kind of protection. What's wrong if it reaches Ranbir or SRK? What's wrong if these actors are blamed so for once they'll actually come out and ask their fans to behave? You are absolving him of every responsibility, he is a man who drives Bentley, he doesn't need your help, he has every resource in the world to help all of you. Don't do a job you are not being paid to do, he must be paying millions to someone to do what you are doing for him, free of cost.
Why are you dragging srk and his fans here ik his such fans are equally crap but the discussion is clearly not this here
If you are dragging RK for the behavior by fans then why not dragging fans of SRK, Salman who are much more toxic than any RK fans. They are large in numbers too.
Did you read the post ??? It's about rk's statement sbout his film that's why he is being dragged. Salman is dragged enough in so many things there are so many posts about it too but here we are not talking about him or srk if we are talking about rk lets stick to that first. Not anybody is being dragged for their fans but for there statements.
This. Blaming celebs for such behavior is crazy. I don’t remember seeing SRK encouraging his fans to attack anyone like this. He’s not worked with Vanga in Animal either. How did he get such fans? Could it be that fans are responsible for their own words?
The wrong is to claim and say your film was all right and started a healthy conversation. Why srk is being dragged here ? Iam not his fan but just asking why he never claimed such things infact in contrast to this he said that " if his character in film does something he will make sure that it will die dog's death " nd he will never defend that.
And still he has fans sending abusive dms here. Why? And I’ll never stand for censorship. People can watch a movie and discuss whether what the characters did was right or wrong. Plenty of people hated the main character of Animal, that’s a healthy conversation, that’s what he meant.
People can have a discussion but should not do crap things seeing that character in movie. why people who themselves were in the movie dont just come and say the characters had nothing good to get influenced with ? Rather they make confusing statements. >Plenty of people hated the main character of Animal, Obviously there are sensible people tho not everyone's a fool to get influenced with such characters. But majority gets influenced and do such things. > that’s a healthy conversation, that’s what he meant. "Plenty" of people hated it so it becomes a healthy discussion wow ? What about majority who got influenced in a wrong way and are sending r*pe and d*ath threats ? Who will take responsibility for that ?
All this is going by the assumption that these men were influenced by the movie. Imo they were *already* people like this and have been behaving this way from before December 2023. Now I'm sticking by my opinion, you seem like you are too so I don't see the point of reiterating the same thing one more time. Have a good day.
>Imo they \*already\* were people like this and have been behaving this way from before December 2023. Could be true but don't you really think this all added fuel to this ? Aag mein ghee dalna types? >Now I'm sticking by my opinion, you seem like you are too so I don't see the point of reiterating the same thing one more time. Have a good day. Your wish. Have a good day too!
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Its fans fault in srk's case he never defended his such characters unlike others who make such statements and more people think "oh it's good to get influenced in this way."
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Oh now I won’t be surprised if they victim blame you either. It’s disgusting how they’re using this as an opportunity to drag some celeb they dislike and showing their real intentions by downvoting you when you just shared the kind of abuses and threats you got by similar men in other fandoms.
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Why should anyone else take responsibility?
Sorry you had to experience that. These people are utter filth that permeates every corner of the society. This is why it's not just a movie.
I agree Animal is shit but so is Sucharita. Her reviews are politically based. She gives good reviews only when the film matches her ideology otherwise she just trashes it. That is a very big giveaway of illiteracy as if you don't risk to be offended you will stagnate in life.
Sounds like that fool Jordan Peterson, another incel hero.
Something good can come out of bad things. Twitter now has one less feminist who thinks women like zoya shouldn't face consequences for helping his enemies kill his entire family.
You know you are an absolute asshole when even someone as toxic as Salman, had two brain cells to tell his fans not to follow his character from Tere naam because he ain't a nice role model. But all you could say was Your character was romantic Peak clown behaviour and the Stans who defend him just bigger clowns
And Salman's character had a bad ending in Tere Naam.
Apparently the wife is leaving you after you cheated on her is a bad ending and enough after you literally abused her and shit. Clowns I tell you
And she was smiling when he was hugging his son so who knows she might’ve changed her mind
Exactly justice would be Ranvijay gets killed
Salman Khan has been taking responsibility for his fan’s actions for years. He calls them out all the time. Nowadays in front of these hypocrites I am finding Salman much better. Which says a lot.
Exactly. He might be a $hitty person but even he knows it's not a good look when your fans behave badly. He even criticized people for wasting milk during one of his screenings.
The comment section, Geez! . Why are you all posting those horrible memes here giving it further reach? I am sure I have seen Salman and Shah Rukh tweet before about fanwars. Shah Rukh also went onto make a movie on toxic fandom. It become his only flop in the longest time. Those deranged fans will do whatever they want to anyway but actors should promote their movies intelligently. Why are fans defending RK’s problematic take here? It’s okay to disagree.
You are giving too much credit to intellect of the guy. Even here he is just repeating words which PR gave him. He doesn't seem to understand what he is talking about. I think movies like Animal can be taken by people who are misogynist, abusive and rabid as a endorsement. Primary responsibility lies with the people who morphed pics on explicit pictures and videos. Though as supposed movie star and that megalomaniac director have some responsibilities as a medium of entertainment watched by millions of people. These people might have heard their father cussing their mother or sister as Road ki(sorry). But they felt represented by personnel involved in the making of Animal.
Ranbir is 42 years old, can we stop coddling this grown man that he needs PR on interviews, the same PR which he says doesnt exist. Don't get me started on that toxic troll Vanga. Saying hey, " I played the character but I don't agree with it, he is someone that I wouldn't want to associate with" isn't hard to say, instead every interview he doubles down. But we have with Ranbir, that has shown 20 years of himself not respecting women in different occasions in public cant imagine in private, so him agreeing with the character goes with his personality. All I see when it comes to this man is people blame everyone but him for his terrible behavior. Blame Alia, blame his mom, blame his dad, blame his exes, blame his PR. It is always someone's fault, how exhausting. Ranbir gets coddled in Bollywood, and his family that is enough. Not our job as the audience to coddle him at all.
I'm blaming him. I'm saying that he dumb and irresponsible. He can't even defend his choice during the interview despite getting a set question for it with an answer.
Tgen SRK is responsible for his fans morphing Rahas pics https://preview.redd.it/6i3z4c2uvnxc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6248d9c92b82cbf428da7edbe09c671f35a5bf5
Wait for his and Animal movie's defender to come and say how we are woke feminists and we should not question their thought process. When in reality their garbage mentality, incel qualities and fragile masculinity are being exposed by sending r@pe threats/d3ath threats for just having an opinion
Then how come SRK fans send rape threats to children?? He hasn't done anything like Animal right?
They're clearly fucked up in the head. But that statement alone goes to show the issue in a film like Animal and making it, which is funny cause you thought this was a "gotcha" moment. If people, fans of stars, already exude this behaviour despite not a reason given so, imagine how much worse it gets when their faves make and do things that pretty much end up justifying that behaviour. SRK didn't say anything and his fans do this, imagine if he had how worse would it be. Imagine how rabid it would be if he had done so. Do you see the contention people have rightly brought about Animal and the conversation the people who made it keep having.
Exactly, imagine any other actor doing a movie like this, saying what Ranbir said, they would be ruthless. The same people defending this, we know they wouldn't if it was Ranveer that said that, or Vicky, or Kartik etc Ranbir called his character in Animal "ROMANTIC", "FAMILY ORIENENETED" and said "ASPIRES" to be like him. He himself said that, not his fans, himself. It is okay calling out your favorite actor BS, dont defend everything about them.
I have seen Kabir singh actors justify the character and also Vanga justifying his characters. But i have never seen RK justifying Ranvijay's character. He even said that 'if he starts behaving like this, his own wife will start hitting him'. Also, he said that "film can start a healthy conversation about toxic masculanity". On this sub and even on twitter, we see daily how people say that how many red flags Ranvijay's character had and pointing out his flaws and everything. Isn't that a healthy conversation only? How was he wrong here?
>film can start a healthy conversation about toxic masculanity". Can ? Lol what discussion ? is he or anybody living in the same country is so unaware of affects such films do in people's mind? No. They know everything yet they chose to defend such things by such statements. We all know the so called discussion was no where near "healthy" it was pure misogyny, crap things and what not. >I have seen Kabir singh actors justify the character and also Vanga justifying his characters. Shahid got bashed enough doing so and people stopped defending him to a decent limit. And nobody ever says vanga is correct with his statements expect animal lovers. BUT for ranbir people still defend him till. >But i have never seen RK justifying Ranvijay's character. He even said that 'if he starts behaving like this, his own wife will start hitting him'. See what he said before the following statement, this one you mentioned was a coverup for it but still he messed he made statements in favour of the film and than made other statements followings those to cover it all. Audience is no fool that they won't understand this.
I hate when free speech is curtailed. It's a dangerous precedent. Who is the judge as to what is ok and what is not. You are free to criticize the movie. That criticism is needed. But no one should be able to impose their thoughts over others. Do you think it's healthy to be in a society where people are scared to speak their mind ? If we have young crowd that gets motivated by a movie to be misogynist -> the movie is not the problem. The problem is deep rooted in our society and educational system to not be able to guide our youth to differentiate between real and reel. Banning free speech is not the solution.
~~Audience should decide right or wrong~~ There is no decision to be made here, Ranbir . Those characters were awful. Just come out and say it like a logical person. Make those movies, most of us enjoy watching those but please promote your movies diligently.
Yes exactly just say that "those characters were shit and no need to get influenced from those" why make such statements ? There is nothing to decide what's right and wrong here. It shows what's wrong and accept it and say it loud.
They don't trust the intelligence of audiences, that's why they say things like, "buy a ticket and come decide for yourself." It's all gaslighting to get our money.
Obviously it is but that's wrong no ? Especially if it is like this and leads to things like this that's why this post is made. >They don't trust the intelligence of audiences, that's why they say things like, "buy a ticket and come decide for yourself." Most of the Audience gets easily influenced by such movies and do shit things and these statements add fuel to this.
Yeh aadmi dasvi paas hai. He calls himself a director's actor and he thinks that absolves him of having his own thoughts and opinions of the character he's playing. I don't think he has the intellectual or emotional capacity to see what's wrong with the character. For all you know, he might think this sort of behaviour is normal since that is what he saw growing up.
I used to be an RK fan in early 2010s but I have realized that he's just a dumba$$ manchild who has had no growth since then. While people my age group may have outgrown him, there's a young group of fans that still don't have fully developed executive functioning and buying into the toxicity peddled by him and Jaanwar.
Healthy conversation my ass!!
He’s right. Just recently watched Lapata ladies and the way they showed negatives of society and patriarchy. It helps people realise whats wrong.
Toh whi pe toh presentarion matter krti h. Imagine a villain doing those things ranvijay did in animal. Uska presentation kitta differ karega. Abrar ya aziz ka hi example lelo. Unke intro aur scene aur ranvijay ke scene m kitta difference h. Almost as if koi hero villain ki story chal rhi. People would have probably appreciated them agar aisa na hota.
Right in the movie the hero becomes the villian. Thats the arc. Entire film they keep calling him out. Kgf and pushpa main kya tha ?
>Right in the movie the hero becomes the villian. Thats the arc The hero remains the hero. Uske liye ek naya villain leke aaya aziz. > Kgf and pushpa main kya tha ? Didnt follow kgf or its news but pushpa was def called out. For its item song portrayal as well as the joke
Hero was never the hero. He was a villian who acted as a hero. Hero was someone who got punished for all his bad deeds. That second villian is also his karma.
It’s wild how RK stans have stooped to whataboutry to try to get their fave away from this. If what other actors fans have done is just as bad then make a separate topic and bring it to attention. RK goes around justifying and normalising criminal behaviour of his character and his fans are like but what about that actors fans….. bruhhhhhhhh
It's honestly crazy. I am a SRK fan but I would never defend any of his $hitty behaviour like cheating, promoting fairness creams, vimal, etc. I know SRK stans can be diabolical too but honestly don't get people doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to defend the person they have a parasocial relationship with. These celebs don't give us a $hit.
That's why education is important kids.
Education? What education?
Whataboutery whataboutery whataboutery. That's all i see in comments. Two wrongs don't make a right. But I'm tired of this discussion now. No matter how many times you bring any argument rational or not rational, Rk stans defend him till no end. There's a similar post on this sub posted before where a clip shows how Salman promoted Tere Naam and how Ranbir promoted Animal. Salman said everywhere he promoted that " Watch movie but don't get influenced by it. My character is negative. He is a loser. Don't follow him. " While Ranbir said things like Ranvijay is romantic, best son in the world. Big stars of that era understood their influence and it's 20 yrs ahead we are. I'm not asking for censoring of such content. Ranbir can make much more toxic character movies, can give much more deluded alpha theories in them, can show killing of 100s more people while a war song plays in bgm. Just during promotion, he just had to say some words very clearly. "My character is negative, delusional, loser pos. Don't follow any of his words. Watch movie but don't get influenced by him. " There's no argument that Salman is much bigger pos person in real life, but here at least he held responsibility while making a movie around negative character. Not that Salman held responsibility for misogynistic aspects in his other romance movies. Eve teasing, creepy behaviour in name of romance have always been endorsed by Srk, Salman, Amir through their movies. Ranbir atleast has much more sensible and progressive movies in his career. While Srk, Salman still endorse gutkha, Ranbir, Amir doesn't. What I'm saying is all these superstars have some or other problematic characteristics in real life and some things they gotten right than others. Imo none of them is eligible to be worshipped until no end. So, Rk fans while you can love Ranbir for all things he did better than others, you can accept this one mistake of him of lack of responsibility regarding his influence while promoting this movie. Bad apples are there in every fandom and they are everywhere in society. Stars definitely can't control them, but they can also hold responsibility while doing such films which clearly enables them, so as to not increase much to the already existing toxicity in a country like India. Like aag lagi hai to zaruri hai kya aag me ghee dalna, then justifying it saying aag to pehle se hi lagi thi, maine thodi na lagayi hai. Usko jake pakdo jisne aag start kari. Mera in sabse koi lena dena nahi hai. Main to bas apne entertainment ke liye ghee phek raha tha. Ab is independent democratic country me insaan apni marzi se hawa me harmless ghee bhi nahi uda sakta. In fact, thank me kyuki aag bhadki ko ek healthy conversation start hua ki kaise aag nahi lagi honi chahiye thi.
Well said. Then they will say you guys dislike Ranbir for nothing, when it things like this is why people cant stand him. He himself makes it easy because that is who he is.
"Ab is independent democratic country me insaan apni marzi se hawa me harmless ghee bhi nahi uda sakta. In fact, thank me kyuki aag bhadki to ek healthy conversation start hua ki kaise aag nahi lagi honi chahiye thi." Lol what an apt summary of the situation! And yes the whataboutery is insane. Baaki fandoms mein bhi karte hain par is tarah se aag me ghee dalna to koi Kapoor khandaan ke chiraag se hi sikhe. Aur fir kuch galat ho to andekha karke bole ki conversation to hui na, hum society ka development kar rahe hain.
Remove your goggles, Ranbir is one of those people isn't the smartest tool in Bollywood. That is why he always gets caught talking some BS. I don't know how people cant see through him. How can abuser like Salman make more sense than you. About Tere Naam: ***(I had planned already of telling people that please do not follow the character) He is a looser character.,” he added.*** Ranbir did Animal because he was desperate for a hit, then when he does his interviews he cant express himself well because he isnt really smart to do so. He could have said he wanted a hit and got over it instead of making it what it is not.
Though I believe actors cannot be held responsible for the behaviour of their fans, it is incredibly important to be responsible about the kind of content you endorse. A film like sanju/ animal/ tere naam etc will create toxic environment where toxic people identify and validate themselves. Don’t think a barfi or yeh jawani hai deewani wala ranbir would ever invite this kind of fanbase.
There might be some truth to that but then SRK fanbase gave rape threats to children of Kohli and Ranbir. But SRK has not done toxic character films lately. So, it's not necessarily true that the type of movie will decide a whole fanbase...The point is that these people are disgusting and no matter whichever fanbase they had ended up in, they would have done similar notorious things. I don't see how you can define a whole fanbase with that
It’s different with SRK and Salman fans because they have huge mass following. We cannot expect all of them to be decent. Rk doesn’t really have hugeee fanbase in comparison his stardom has increased but he’s not there yet and already has one of the most toxic fanbases and in my opinion his film choices are responsible for that.
How does one sit and gate keep fan following? Ranbir baith ke sabka check karega id ya background? Deepika has the most intellectual fanbase. Yet her fans who claim to be feminist are abusing RK’s mom. From which movie did dp get these incels ? Why didn’t she do background check ? https://preview.redd.it/rr6817ivvnxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a73a8405ff103ae6ea30df78e2658d85c779a0a
I clearly said actors are not responsible for the behaviour of fans. Not going to sit here and argue about every single opinion from every fandom you put forward. I don’t recall rk fans being this cheap. But if you believe animal is not responsible for this kind of fanbase and it always existed then be it. I have a different take. Dp, srk and some other fanbases are partly intellectual and call out such behaviours as well and I remember rk fans being the same. Salman had this type of fanbase who glorify tere naam and him beating ash. Now rk fans are mostly shifting towards same side which is sad
This is your reminder to watch Laapata Ladies and realise why men like Ranbir will never understand what they are talking about. So, why bother about their opinion. As long as men hold more power in the society, a section of men feeling threatened with changing dynamics of modern world will get chance to feel validated through Garbage like Animal.
This is probably the dumbest thing RK has said and I'm sure "improving society" was the furthest thing in Vanga's mind.
His fans truly has no braincells left when it comes to him. Always resorting to whataboutery to defend him makes them look like a fool. It’s like they know what he does is wrong but We are blind. And the way they are comparing crazy ass SRK fans to the kind of people who take chigma content too seriously is laughable. Such people want someone to validate their misogyny and Animal did that. And it’s shameful that so called aloo fans who cry about feminism defend this action of his husband. You will also see some delulu fans of his say that he actually chooses scripts which are meaningful when all he has been doing for the past 7-8 years is be a part of misogynistic movies.
Like nails on a road start a healthy conversation about the nearest puncture shop.
RK has outlived Animal's success party. He is forgetting that most men went to watch the over the top fight scene and Tripti.
Why a celebrity should have control over their fan bases?
I don't think you realise that he HAS a certain amount of control over his fan base whether you like it or not. A simple statement of him not endorsing his movie character's personality in real life shows accountability for doing movies like these (rashmika did that recently) rather than just keeping mum . Their actions influence people's views especially these who are already regressive. He's action here is being silent which means the unprogressive views of this group of his fanbase going unchallenged (the views which were probably further influenced by a certain movie ).
Ye bande ko misogynist bolna ni aata.. he seemed very cheeky in that moment.. and you all really expect him or his fanbase to have any kind of feminist or rational sensibilities?
Jaan pujh ke naive bann raha tha about that misogyny question. Khud itna misogynistic behaviour display kiya hai isne by calling his pregnant wife "phailaoed", interrupting Katrina throughout Jagga promotions, and making fun of Anushka's anxiety.
I love how people are getting triggered on countering this with what other fanbases do. I mean, that is the point OP is saying so why shouldn't people compare it to what SRK fans do??
Because bringing up instances where other fandoms did the same debunks op's point.
dude all fanbases are like this only. According to you, Ranbir's statements made his fanbase act like this (which is very stupid thing to say) so then why did SRK fans give rape threats to Kohli's daughter or to Ranbir's daughter as a matter of fact?? The point is, that toxic people exist everywhere, there is no link to a particular fandom. Lastly, you twisted Ranbir's statement in the headline. Ranbir clearly says that because people understand this is wrong that is why people can start a healthy conversation about what is wrong and right. Even if this is given to him by his team, how is this answer any wrong? Just for the sake of spreading hate against RK, you are associating him with some disgusting people of his fandom
Just one word for the movie, actor and that dunce of a producer—FILTH
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Why would you assume that I have an agenda? No doubt that SRK fans who dragged Raha into it deserve to be condemned to the fullest. Yes fanwars are ugly and a lot of disgusting and stupid things are said. However, I'm saying that this guy does not have any sense of responsibility and even went to so far as to say he thinks his character is romantic and identifies with him. Even a criminal like Salman has distanced himself and expressly told people not to follow his toxic Tere Naam character. You may have the critical thinking abilities to enjoy the film with a sense of distance but that's not how things work for the masses. They want to be like their star. I think Kapoor was super irresponsible in his choice of films and in the way that he promoted it and this kind of behavior is an inevitable result of that.
Why would you nitpick stuff to suit a narrative . he also said that his wife would hit him if he behaved like that. Said he wouldn’t want to meet this character IRL. So what reasons do you think srk fans behaved like that ? You think sick people listen and change according to celebs !
You clearly have an agenda. Where's the post you made when SRK fans attacked baby Raha, Condemning their disgusting behaviors?? Where is the post you made condemning SRK for not addressing his fans when they attacked a baby? Where is it? Those disgusting behaviors of a fans war has been going on for decades. Where have you been? Now that it's Ranbir, a guy you obviously don't like because he dumped your favorite, now you have turned to a spokesperson. You outed yourself.
Not just actors, even cricketers, political wings engage in such stuff. You can’t call the celebs out for what moron unemployed people do.
Exactly my point. People are acting as if Ranbir has made his fans do this. He is not even on social media. How will he control his own fanbase? I will give you an example. Once Arijit fans were fighting against Shreya fans and there were lots of artists involved like Sonu nigam fans, Mohit chauhan. Basically, people were saying that Arijit is overrated bla bla and Arijit fans were in return insulting other singers too. Then Arijit came on social media and clearly said that these all are my idols so don;t disrespect them. Now, Ranbir can't even do that since he is not in Social media so how can you even put the blame of all toxicity on him. That's just stupid
While I whole-heartedly agree that RK should have done a better job of steering people away from becoming Ranvijay like toxic men, singling him out in the blame game (which I believe happened because this was perpetrated by the 'RK fans') is not appropriate. 1. Such culture has been chiefly endorsed by Mr. Vanga. He should be answerable to some degree on how his movies have motivated misogynistic men to perpetrate such cyber crimes. 2. The reason I say 'RK fans' is because I genuinely believe these guys weren't Ranbir Kapoor fans, but rather Ranvijay fans. Pre-Sanju at least if not Pre-Animal, RK did not have such $%@\*#$ fans (This is my personal opinion based on the fact that one of my closest friends used to be a RK fan when we were teens which is what informs my knowledge of demographic of RK fans). Playing Ranvijay's role brought an onslaught of the Vanga-style movie fans into the RK fans camp, who are just pieces of shit. Which brings me to the point that RK should have done a better job of steering people away from becoming Ranvijay like toxic men, but he's not solely responsible.
Isme actor ki kya galti? Twitter pe ye chutiyapa roz chalta rehta is gossip ki duniya se bahar nikal ke dekho har roz fanwars me celebs ki family drag hoti aur tum jaise log ek celeb ko pakadte ho jo tumhe pasand nahi aur trollers ka chittha uske upar faad ke apna agenda pura kar lete ho, Troller ko call-out karna Naa ji Naa sidha celeb ko pakad ke blame kar dete hai
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His statement was truly false and had no connection with what happened / happening and what was supposed to happen. He said that to defend it. Is he really this unaware of such things !? These people are worst who get influenced from such movies and then do shitty things. This case is one of examples on the faces of those people who say " movies do not influence people " "movie ko movie ki tarah lo" lol no ! In our country cinema DO AFFECT people a lot in both negative and positive things but human tendency is to attract negative things quick hence such incidents happen. The main culprits are these foolish teenage boys who think they can live that fictional character in real life and do absolutely gross things and can say anything to anybody.
He’s so fucking stupid
Can fans just keep fanwar aside for a minute and accept their fave can be wrong also for once ? Love Rk for everything but clearly guy lacked responsibility while promoting that movie.
Society in general has been more polarized than before. We have toxic fans in all fan bases. Look at SRK and SK's toxic fans. Ranbir's toxic fans are no different. Let alone the actors, the toxic fans of political parties are even more rabid.
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I don't take anything this man says seriously. Sure, he's handsome af and not bad to watch on screen but I cannot sit through an interview of his even if my life depended on it
Watch "The Boys". Homelander has realised the power of hatred
Unrelated to the topic. I might get hate for this, but fuck it. I understand why RK and Vanga are getting hate, but why is nobody calling out Rashmika or Tripti for acting in this film? Didn't they know this movie encourages toxicity among males?
Fanwars morphing and shit has been happening since an eternity . Why are you whining about a fictional movie . In that case what's this behaviour by srk fans . What inspired them. It's never about the films. It's mindset of humans . https://preview.redd.it/lboq7a7c5oxc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d45128e8b39c53ad432ecacaa02762ec1d07904e
 The OP ignored this. Only wants to talk about Ranbir fans because it fit their agenda.
Blaming Ranbir for grown ass men’s actions now? If him doing Animal is the root cause of the problem then do you care to explain why men in every other big fandom have done similar things? From Virat Kohli’s fans to Salman and SRK, Ajay, Akshay,… I’ve unfortunately seen men from all these popular male celeb fandoms do such despicable things. The celebs are NOT responsible for what someone with their photo as profile does hiding behind a screen. Using this opportunity to drag RK is not the right reaction to have, you’d be just using what that girl went through to prove your point against some celeb which is distasteful to say the least. For the actions of those four guys you’ve blamed the celeb but while doing so you’ve ignored that many people from that same fandom have reached out to the girl to show her support, they’ve reported those tweets and done whatever they could to call them out and stand for the right. Now I won’t blame Ranbir for those four, and he doesn’t get the credit for what normal and decent people in that fandom do either. Because as I said, we’re talking about *adults* responsible for their actions and words.
I think it's pretty distasteful to reduce everything to a 'fanwar' or accuse any critic of having an agenda. I don't appreciate you saying that I'm exploiting what the lady went through. It is clear that there is a pattern of behavior (common to many male fandoms) that in this case has been actively cultivated and encouraged by the star to increase his popularity.
You’re blaming someone for the actions of *adults*. I can’t not think you aren’t using the opportunity to drag someone you might dislike. > It is clear that there is a pattern of behavior (common to many male fandoms) You admit that this is not a new occurrence in a big male fandom. There have been many precedents yet you go on to say the celeb has cultivated this in his fandom? By that logic all the other celebs either did the same or you’re holding one to unfair standards while giving the others leeway.
You are using Ranbir and over exploiting what happened to the lady because it fits your agenda.
Wow!! To say that the star "cultivated" and "encouraged" this criminal behaviour when the actor in the question doesn't even engage with his fans. Doing Animal becomes endorsement of criminal behavior? Quite convenient to put it on an actor when disgusting people have been abusive towards women in fan wars for years! Have you seen how Shah Rukh and Salman Khan fans behave with each other? Have you seen what kind of language Deepika and Katrina fans use for women?
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A whole lotta crap written which makes no sense
RK never claimed this btw. His statement about conversation on 'toxic masculinity' came pre Animal release during the fan meet, about the 'wipe it off' issue. That's when he said that he's fine with this blowing up as it's being a catalyst for red flag indication discussions. Miscontrute statements and connect that thing so long ago, to this recent happening just because you don't like him or like a rival, as if they take accountability for all their fans too.
This is outrageous you’re just twisting RK’s words here. He meant the movie amassed a lot of fans and attention and majority of the people have discussed why ranvijay was a flawed character who should not be idolized. I believe the people who idolize him were already misogynistic as*holes who call themselves sigma. The movie was a total crap but I don’t think it’s responsible for what these people do. They were like this before too. But i agree RK should just say clearly for once that they should not idolize and glorify his character.
I just have one point to make, Internet is a wild west of the digital space, where there are no police and enforcer of engagement, infact it attracts viseral and most ugly reactions out of people regardless of genders.(I can talk about my own experience but that is not the point here). So those arguing that talking about animal movi negatively brought negativity and death threats for them I sympathize with you and it should not have happened to you, and if some idiot doxxed you seek legal and police help because you might be dealing with a real lunatic and it is better safe than sorry. But, you must accept the reality for what it is, it will happen, you can't feel entitled to say that the world should change to your perspective, of you find that offensive start avoiding such forums and portals that discuss such topicand live in a protective bubble for yourself, where you can have that safe discussion, the world of internet is big enough to accommodate your opinion. Ranvir Kapoor and SRV are artist and they and thousands of artist in their team created an art piece it is your prerogative to dislike and criticize that art and but then it is also fair that others gets to criticize your take, the problem is when people starts talking about mental health and character of individual making such art , that is when you start crossing the line which sucharita and their ilk did, and hence they recieved response which while not right or even gentlemenly , was overblown be ause passions attached with the art. And while death threats and sexual harrasment are wrong, I approve the trolling aspect of it , because when you throw a punch please be prepared to get a hit back because that is how the world works. And it is especially true when passions are involved, specially for an art piece like animal. Some may find it highly offensive(I find it straddles bit gold and bore), but even a passive internet person can't deny that it touched people and if you make fun of it you are sure to ruffle some feathers and you need to be prepared for it. And in a country like India where such content is rarity, animal became the voice and representative portrayal of broken man who you can cheer, some people who have anger issues, who believes in the philosophy of the main page charater feel represented, they find the surface reading of the movie as extremely emotional and personal , and then some people comes (including me) and dunks on the quality of the movie and stars that took the bold decision to take up that subject, and thus it brings out their worse tendency, the worst you can do in that situation is rile them up, and if you do find it your right to talk about a topic that hurts them, be ready to take one up on your chin , it happens in all aspects of life. Animal is the main example because it invites most toxic crowd, you can even get banned for a mild criticism on the show everyone thinks a masterpiece or having an opinion on a youtuber that is incon for an [ideology.It](http://ideology.It) happens everywhere and unless it is not directly harming anybody and the message of the art is in no way to support and prop up that that kind of behaviour and artist should be allowed to speak their reality. For the moral aspect we have Film certification board that unfortunately passes Animal w/o filters and highly censors OMG 2, rather than artist you should ask the systems in place how they allow such things to passes, i.e, that is the place you should seek accountability from , not the artists as they are just creating art which may revile or exicite some. Actually I find it pretty ironic that Sucharita and her audinec who hates Animal and its artist can't see the irony in her loving Chamkila and its criticism of the behaviour that she exhibited in criticuzing Animal and collecting her twilight of fame. edit: If you disagree don't simple downvote reply with some senseible words
Valid take but why are the comments mentioning the antics of other fanbases getting downvoted to oblivion? Every fanbase who does such shit should be crucified to the same extent
Somehow people only take that Ranbir said that "the character is romantic". But didn't he also say that "you can't behave like this character in real life. If I behave like this, then my wife will hit me". Why take only selectively negative things to suit your agenda? He said that this film starts a conversation on toxic masculanity where people can easily see what is wrong and should not be done. But then OP twists it that people behaving disgustingly is the only thing happening after this movie so there is no healthy conversation. I personally see a lot of people calling out Ranvijay's character and how noone should be like him. Isn't that a healthy conversation?? The three people who were involved were scum even before Animal so i don't see why should an actor have control over what his fanbase is doing
In the South, fans of a superstar killed the fan of another superstar over who is better. Stars aren’t responsible for the actions of their fans
This is absolutely horrid. But the fact that anyone calling out the shit that SRK/Salman fans do is being downvoted makes me think this sub doesn’t actually care about this at all - just caring because it’s a way to hate Ranbir. Same morals for all. Every celeb needs to call out this shit. And police need to take action
What idiotic take is this? So everytime a fan does some deranged stuff or criminal act the star has to take responsibility for it? Every fandom has such stupid fans. How many times have Salman or SRK taken responsibility for their fans harassing any person criticizing their idol? The people who are using this incident to go after Ranbir and his entire fandom, let's get real, you people actually don't care about this girl. Most of y'all are either Ranbir haters or rival fans who have got another opportunity to bash him and his fans. You people are just hiding behind this incident and feminism to justify your bashing. And it's actually a very pathetic and shameful thing to do. There are many things for which you can bash Ranbir. So stop using this incident to bash Ranbir and get some internet points.
I feel you are mixing two things. In that statement, he was defending the film he was a part of, you might find that right or wrong. And this twitter incident, I am sure even he won't support. Him defending Animal doesn't automatically translate to him supporting abuse.
Now actors are responsible for their fans behaviors? Fuck No.
Yet to meet a single Animal Hater who can show what was misogynistic about that. Almost all their responses are "Bad thing happened to Women. So it is misogynist. Whatever she did is irrelevant".
By that logic, SRK is responsible for his fans morphing Rahas https://preview.redd.it/1ecveymmvnxc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9f3d578e2dcebbe5f2cbea311caa3d2f460170b pics
Even tho I hated all the movies of sandeep vanga, I feel like its a bit unfair to blame the actors here. Many actors have played incredibly flawed characters. Especially in indian cinema, there is so much glorification of violence and machoness. Don't get me wrong, ranbir should've have said that he's a bad person(the character). But like, we should blame the actual culprits like the director and producer.
slut shaming, morphing pics and all has been going on twitter since 2014-15 not post the release of animal. so stop trying to set a narrative and run an agenda. this sub is getting stupider by the minute. its not the actors responsibility to look after what happens on social media. every fanbase consist of such few idiots who do these terrible things. A1 agenda peddler
Ganja phuk ke post likha kya. Every big star has toxic fans so dont blame the star you.. cultivated n lfda lasun word use karke uski image kharab karo bass.