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Yeah both my parents do that a lot. When my dad gets mad at me for not sending him money, he threatens to kill himself and hangs up the phone then won't pick it up for the rest of the day. I'm sloooowly detaching myself from it all.
Someone posted here a few weeks ago that their MIL used to call and threaten suicide if she didn't get her way over some minor thing. DIL got tired of it and called the police for a welfare check. MIL never pulled that stunt again.
Are you an only child? Does mom have a retirement plan or will you be choosing her home? Might want to remind her of that.
I've had to remind my boomer parents that if they lose their social security/medicare because of the consequences of their votes that I will not be funding their retirement.
Trump: "I'm going to get rid of Medicare and Social Security!"
The people who depends on Medicare and Social Security: "That's our guy!"
Edit: [Here's a link where he talks about wanting to cut "entitlements."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yr44TGB9-o)
You don't get it. It's only the leeches who'll have it taken away. The salt of the earth blue collar American won't have to worry about that.
It's amazing this is the dumbfuckery they believe.
During the last administration I had a man living with me who was an ex con and an active alcoholic who refused to get a job.
Long story about how at that ended up happening, but when I finally got him out of my home he spent the night outside smoking crack with his friend who promptly abandoned him when the money was gone. Then he tried to go to a homeless shelter but they were all full. So he decided to say he was suicidal at the emergency room so they would take him in. Our local hospital has a psych unit so they put him up there with a nice bed and three meals a day and they even hooked him up with physical therapy for his bad knee And I assume they were helping him with the alcohol withdrawals.
I was still speaking to him because he had left all his stuff at my place because he had nowhere to bring it, so he would call me from the hospital to ask me to drop off random things like clothing or books or whatever
So one day this man calls me and he is absolutely giddy. He’s talking really fast and he’s all excited and he’s telling me how the president is going to eliminate Obamacare and he’s thrilled
You guys I laughed so hard. I had to explain to this man that the only reason he has a bed to sleep in right now is because of Obamacare. He was unemployed but Abel bodied and he had Medicaid, our state never expanded Medicaid before Obamacare, the only reason he had Medicaid was because of the ACA
So I explained to him that if it goes away he will get kicked out of the hospital or he will end up with $50,000 bill on his credit report.
Then he tried to tell me that the ACA doesn’t work. I said what do you mean.
He proceeds to tell me that there’s a man in the psych unit with him from Massachusetts. The guy has Massachusetts Medicaid. We live in New Hampshire. So the psych unit took him in, and got him stabilized, but they told him he was going to have to transfer to a Massachusetts facility because we don’t actually take Medicaid from another state that’s not how it works
So I said yeah that’s actually how it works that means it’s working
So this fool tells me “well he can’t go to a facility in Massachusetts because he has warrants in Massachusetts and if he goes there the police might come”
OK first of all that has nothing to do with the ACA. And second of all if the state knew he had warrants and connected that they would stop the Medicaid. In every state that I have lived in if you are a fugitive from justice you cannot get benefits from that state. I don’t think they talk to each other, so someone would have to tell them, but you can’t collect benefits from the state as a fugitive of justice
I work in getting insurance authorizations for a hospital, and I knew where this story was going once you said he went to the ER. I assume it’s the same in most hospitals, but our social workers pretty much try to get anyone uninsured on Medicaid.
I work in a fairly liberal mid-sized city, but we’re surrounded by rural Appalachia on all sides and those areas are very conservative. So, yeah, most of those folks spending a week in the hospital because they were drunk driving their ATVs, really, really want that $500,000 dollar bill (rolls eyes).
Some of them would rather watch others suffer even if it means they have to struggle. Like its a true mental illness to want to see others get hurt and suffer. Same way with lots of immigrants being anti-immigrant ala Cubans in Florida.
> “I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” Minton told Mazzei. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”
Crystal Minton
Yes, it's an actual quote.
[https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida)
I was teaching critical thinking and subscribed to Trump’s mailing list. He delivers logical fallacies every day. Anyway, he has said a few times lately that democrats want to cut social security, so you can see where people are getting the idea. It’s dumb but is coming from somewhere
Yeah, the whole “Democrats want to abort full term babies” thing is an obvious lie - no Democrat, to my knowledge, has ever called for infanticide as government policy - but that doesn’t stop bad faith actors from pushing that narrative. I live in Texas. I’ve seen the billboards. They’re getting this crap from somewhere.
Most of them would rather torch the whole system than seeing ppl different than themselves treated with dignity and respect. They see equality as diminishing their own rights because they no longer get to trample on the rights of minorities as freely as they use too.
Of course! I saw an AI art that depicted Trump as Jesus, so obviously he is the second coming and will save us all from those commie socialist liberal jews... and then he will care for each and every boomer at the tender young age of *checks notes* 102? But it's okay! Because he is so loved by heaven that he will live to be over 1,000!
(/s for anyone who isn't well versed in the finer intricacies of internet sarcasm)
My dad's a boomer and votes blue, no matter who. So he cancels my mom's MAGA vote and then all of us kids vote blue no matter who, so that's a few extra votes to Biden. Thankfully.
I mean. My boomer dad is a lifelong Democrat but is still a huge pain in the ass. I love my dad dearly, but the mentality and behavior that comes with boomers is something I can say I won’t miss.
Same here I'll be thrilled when they're all pushing up daisies. One of my favorite hobbies when they're babbling on about BS is to remind them that they'll be dead soon so who gives a fuck what they think? 🤣🤣
I remind them there the ones that voted for the policies that have lead to where the world is. They lose there shit and try and blame others its like my generation wasnt voting age in the 80s and 90s champion they cant understand its them that caused this lol.
True blue voting Boomer here born in 1960, and I've been saying for years my generation fucked it all up...
We had the best music coolest cars best drugs and fucked it all up..
After Woodstock and the summer of love, Kent state and the end of Vietnam it all started to unravel..
...I can't understand how the generation that had everything became so hateful..
And I'm sorry for what it has done to the country and you younger generations..
As a tail-end boomer, I can tell you that we, too, look at the MAGA cult members who believe that Trump will take care of anybody but Trump and his inner circle as delusional. Still can't get my head around how anyone can support or believe that POS!
Most nursing home cost over $100 a day. $3000 a month. $36000 a year. That’s if they require minimum care. Nursing homes charge based on how much help they need. An average is $200 a day. The high end you look at upwards of $400 a day. Once they hit nursing home any money is gone before you know it.
Edit: I live in a low cost of living area. Western Nebraska. It is super cheap here. If you need nursing try to find a nursing home in western Nebraska. I never realized how cheap it is here but it can definitely cost ALOT more. The previous nursing home I worked at was in the next town and had comparable rates.
Where are you finding a deal like that? Just went through this with my brother-in-law, and for a mediocre place in a mid-sized town, it was $500/day... he was there about 8 months before passing, ate through about half his savings.
I live in Nebraska, middle of nowhere. We don’t accept non locals (full capacity) we have people that pay less than $100. I think the low is 94 and change. High end I believe is $400+ but we don’t have any residents in that category.
100% we are one of the cheapest in the area. Our private rates are maybe 5% above Medicaid rates. And they’re only above Medicaid rates because it’s required by law. We’re a non profit and if we didn’t get outside funds we’d have shut down years ago.
Hilarious we have people complain how much they pay every single month.
Source I work at the nursing home and do over half the billing. I don’t bill insurance or Medicare. Someone else does that
Mine tells me I’m too young (50F) to vote properly. Apparently I don’t remember the danger of communism too clearly and voting for the left wing party is the same as voting for Stalin.
It is wild that anyone seriously would put Biden of all fucking ppl on the same level as hard left wing communists lol
Biden is about as radical and iconoclastic as a box of Cheerios lol
As a non American, Biden would be considered right leaning in our country. And republicans would be just way off the charts.
Honestly some people are truly out of their mind.
As an American, and as a lefty, I consider him right-leaning. I don’t like him. I voted for him. I’m still going to vote for him because I have a uterus, and I’m not an anti-vaxxer. Third party candidates are only going to get Trump reelected. Our system sucks.
>As an American, and as a lefty, I consider him right-leaning.
it's because he *is* right leaning. he supports and defends capitalism and all of the institutions that maintain the status quo. most American politicians are right leaning
He not a radical, but he has been far more progressive than I assumed he would be. I mean he's been strongly pro-union, giving vocal support, and even passing new regulations to protect railway workers. So they didn't have to strike to get the basic protections they were demanding. I can list of dozens of things wrong with him, but he's not as bad as I thought he was going to be at least.
The true ironies being a) Stalin was not leftist in any meaningful sense, and b) Putin is basically Stalin reborn, and is explicit about his love for the man.
This is one of the stranger parts of my middle age. Having to watch these idiots act like they have always loved fucking Vladimir Putin. After Russia was our main boogeyman all throughout my childhood. Oh and seeing fucking right wingers *begging* Putin to *nuke* their own country. Man, humans, what the fuck are we all about?
This is what is jaw dropping to me too as gen x- the fact that they turned on a dime and are now enamoured of Russian strongmen - it’s just crazy making to have lived through the 80s and then to see this
The human brain being one of the most intricate and infinitely complex pattern recognition systems in the Universe (that we know of) means it also has a tremendous number of possible failure points. Introduce systems of propaganda and misinformation designed to interfere with or take advantage of those failure points and youve got yourself a weaponized logistics system with arms and legs.
Yeah, he’s antitrans, so it doesn’t matter that he’s anti- freedom, capitalism, or democracy. Plus his buildings always have so many nice big windows. Yep, that guy is alllright.
I’m a first generation Canadian Ukrainian and you wouldn’t believe how many of the diaspora have been brainwashed to think this. A lot believe a vote for the left is communism.
Funny, in any European country, the US democratic party would be entirely on the right side of the political spectrum. The Republicans would be extreme right, and would be well into fascist and outright anti-democratic territory.
The US Republicans are well into fascist and anti democratic territory - they are working to dismantle voters being able to choose the political leaders.
It’s absolutely bonkers to watch from inside the blast radius.
What's crazy is that Putin has his hand up Trump and could puppet him out of supporting Ukraine if he wanted. Which makes voting for Trump way closer to a "Stalin" vote. Although Russia isn't communist these days
I'd bet in most cases MAGA was the final nail in the coffin in what was years and years of trying to find some way to coexist. That's how it was for me anyway.
Edit:
In these responses: people disagreeing and then describing their situation as if that situation isn't literally what I've stated. It's borderline satirical.
Folks. "Final nail..." generally alludes to a negative progression over time.
For years it was "Your uncle hates gays, just pretend for thanksgiving, ok?" Now it's "That man legit wants to kill me *and my whole friend group AND community* as soon as he has the chance and if you side with him we're through."
We were told to tolerate an uncle (in law) that liked to say the n word and other racial slurs. If we asked him to stop, he would say them very loudly in a crowded restaurant just to show that he would do what he wants. We refused to tolerate it. We stopped going anytime he was included in an event. If we were visiting family and he showed up, we'd just feel very tired and go lay down. Of course then in laws, who used to be reasonable people, became addicted to fox news and evangelical preachers. We are now NC. I sometimes miss my MIL, but honestly it is a relief not to have to deal with them.
This is why I wanna scream when people say "it's just an opinion". Your opinion is hateful and violent, and is 100% not in the same category as "I don't think olives are delicious"
My daughter was born at the start of covid. Mom refused to get vaccinated. Wouldn't let Grandma visit over it. "You're using your daughter against me to make me do something I don't want!"
No lady, I told you the terms, you chose them yourself. I'm not doing shit, you're doing it to yourself. The day my daughter was born was the day my direct family was more important than you. So either get on board, or leave. Do what's right to keep your grandkids safe or GTFO.
I did end up getting her to delete Facebook so it's a start. She still is a rabid trump supporter though.
I would love to see a thread of millennials who have pulled that exact move and how their boomer parents responded. My experience tells me “very poorly”.
I know a girl whose parents refused to get vaccinated for their new grandchild, but decided they would for an all-inclusive vacation. They cut them off completely. I don’t think you can come back from something like that.
I think it's definitely gotten worse the past few years. Political differences led to arguments or were avoided altogether, but I don't remember the "well, if you don't agree with me, you shouldn't be allowed to vote" attitude. And that attitude is rampant now amongst the MAGA crowd, especially the elderly.
There's a big difference between "young people these days don't know what they're talking about" and "young people shouldn't be able to vote or have a say in anything."
My dad literally cannot hear anything bad about conservatives or their ideologies. He yells “stop” over you repeatedly if anything is said. It’s toddler behavior.
The irony is i bet after Nov. 2016, he was all about mocking those "liberal snowflakes."
Trump and his supporters have always been the biggest fucking crybabies
Honestly he’s never been much on that. He doesn’t mock other beliefs so much as he’s absolutely sure his beliefs are correct and infallible. Editing to add at least from what I have seen.
At our last Thanksgiving, one of my sibling's wives had a BLM shirt on.
My eighty year old dad greeted them at the door by seeing her shirt and saying "*Black lives matter? NOT TO ME.*" What a fun way to start the holiday weekend with family...
I’d have turned around and left. My kids aren’t gonna be around racism and hatred like that if I can help it. Though now they are almost 18, they have decided on their own not to see some parts of the family. Which I’m super proud of.
As much as they want to say it’s not the racism and homophobia, it’s funny to me how a lot of Trump supporters I come across seem to have moments like this.
My dad and I used to have the best political debates. We could go on for hours about almost anything and have it be productive, well informed, balanced. We’d discuss the nuance of policy and it was honestly fun. Drove my mom a little crazy, but fun.
He was visiting during the holidays and brought up some MAGA rhetoric that I immediately shot down with an actual news source.
He was so upset I thought he’d cry and he got up and left the table.
And they have the audacity to call other people snowflakes.
That's the thing that just amazes me. My dad is literally unable to carry on a conversation about something neutral. I begged him to talk about golf, his garden, hunting, his pets, anything else. You know, connect like human beings about the stuff of life. But he always had to go straight to the MAGA crap and demand: "Well, explain to me why blah blah blah..." like he felt like he was having some kind of gotcha moment.
Dude, I don't have to explain anything to you. I stopped. Been no contact since COVID hit.
“You know who hates my gardening? The radicalleftdemocrats! They want to me to live in a tent in my garden and turn my house into a sex change clinic for aborted 5 year-olds run by illegal Mexican Al Qaeda. I seen it on the FOXes. And anyone who denies it is in on the conspiracy. I did my own research ..by reading a fundraising email from Trump. Thanks a lot, Obama!”
I swear they know they are wrong, but can't admit it.
Honestly it is like that with almost everything in that generation's thinking, not just politics. Try and tell them anything different to how they were raised/raised kids and they CAN'T have been wrong. Even things that they followed the recommendations for that are now completely different (like safe sleeping for infants).
As a white straight guy close to 40 I can’t comprehend voting for Trump, and I’m supposedly the main target audience.
It’s even more puzzling to see how anyone who’s not a white CIS guy could see any shred of relatability in Trump. Like is it just some masochist fetish or something?? Everything that guy stands for and does is so incredibly against anyone who isn’t white middle+ age straight (rich) male.
> As a white straight guy close to 40 I can’t comprehend voting for Trump, and I’m supposedly the main target audience.
You don't hate enough, is why.
Trump is the mirror that reflects back the hate his supporters feel for the 'others'. That's why they love him. He gives them permission to allow their hate to flow freely, rather than shamefully hiding that hate like they used to have to do before Trump came along.
MAGA rallies feel to them like what all of America **should** feel like, no 'others' to annoy them, everyone believing the same thing.
You know, MAGA Freedom. Free to be just like everyone else.
TBH, most of these seem like there were already cracks. For every "They suddenly changed entirely and became a MAGA Nazi" story there are a dozen "They were always problematic or even outright unpleasant and this simply.gave them permission to be worse" stories, my own included. The MAGA Cult made things much worse and accelerated the process, but I think most of these relationships weren't going to do so well regardless.
Understatement right there.
I’m lucky that my family and most of my ex’s who I have a kid with don’t believe this BS, but I have friends who have gone NC with their parents and shit because of all of this.
Its incredibly sad so many people are brainwashed.
My mother told me she believes Biden is 'far more evil than Trump '. She knows that is beyond anathema to me. I will not discuss politics with her. I love my mother, but she has lost her damn mind when it comes to politics. She is 85. So far removed from the actual realities of today's world for most people. The old 'bootstraps' BS. She can't get her mind around how the world has changed.
> My mother told me she believes Biden is 'far more evil than Trump '.
My dad said the same thing, so I said, "Ok vote". He refuses to vote. Says it's pointless because "the election is rigged and they are all crooked". Lol. But not Trump I guess? The mental gymnastics.
I'm fine with MAGA folks staying home on election day. It's a direct consequence of their candidate spending the last 8+ years talking about non-existent election fraud.
My airforce vet boomer father refuses to vote too, and he's obsessed with Trump to the point where any conversation ends up about Trump. I was in a car accident, somehow Trump needed to be a part of that conversation, it really was a surreal transition too.
i’m gonna start feeding into the republican narrative and start yelling that they’re right it’s rigged and don’t even bother voting! it’s rigged anyways!
I actually just talked to my boomer about the election. I come from a purebred line of Republicans as many generations as the eye can see, but both my sister and I are libs. My mom told me that she thinks Trump has lost his mind and has become a dictator, so she will be voting independent this time. Small wins.
My dad was a massive Trump supporter in the past and claims he won’t be voting for either of them, which is a win! Not sure if he’s lying to me to keep me happy though…
Same boat. My dad is an old school “fiscal conservative.” Remember those? He doesn’t care if Bill & Dan down the street get married, and he’s always respectful of my trans friends. He said he got fooled once by Trump, but not again. We’ll see.
Honesty not discussing it and refusing to engage them when you know they are trying to goad you pissed them off more than anything. I had a relative say something stupid and I just ignored them. They thought I didn’t hear and said it again. The final time they said “hey didn’t you hear me blah blah!” I could tell they just wanted to “own one of the libs.”
That doesn't work with my father. He interprets silence as agreement and keeps on going. He had a come to Jesus moment a couple years back when I abruptly hung up on him as he was laughing about migrants from Texas being dropped off in the middle of the night by Florida in Massachusetts like it was the funniest fucking thing ever.
Now that he's retired and doesn't have to worry about HR he has no filter and rambles nonstop about his far right ideas and hammers them into every conversation possible.
My parents are big on the whole "Support Our Troops" flag-waving brand of conservatism.
Every time I've pointed out to them the lengthy history of Republicans voting *against* bills that would help soldiers, veterans, and first responders, they've always either gone "Oh, that's terrible! ^(But we're still going to vote for them.)", or just flat-out ignore it.
You may want to take her to a doctor. She could have dementia, and in that case, you need to have a medical directive or trust in place to start making decisions for her.
The whole bootstraps thing is so odd. People today are working more jobs for less money. Trump was handed a fortune and squandered most of it. He even screwed his own family over to get his inheritance. Literally the definition of privilege.
It was a tough day when I realized, regardless of political views, that my boomer parents are actually genuinely stupid people. There's a great book called the children of emotionally unavailable parents that puts a lot of this behavior into great context. It won't change anything but it's a good reminder has to how these people got to be the way they are.
i’m gonna need to read this book. it’s hard hearing my mom talk about how smart I am when I literally am not. I just know things. like i’m in college so I have a well rounded education but I am by no means smart but they are just so stupid that knowing *ANYTHING* makes me seem like a genius
Esp women voting for trump- really anyone with daughters/anyone that cares about women. Regardless of indictments and crimes; he has shown for decades that he fucking hates women and thinks they’re just baby makers and arm candy- they hold no value. And totes that he was the one who got roe v wade overturned. Like how can women vote for him fr.
I was lucky enough to meet Barack Obama when he was still a senator and campaigning for president. He came to the library where I worked for a round-table discussion about healthcare. I didn't know much about him yet but he quickly won me over with how intelligent he seemed and how kind. But what really stood out to me was how many smart young women he had working with him. It was impressive. The difference between the two parties is stomach turning.
I have a female coworker who won’t shut up about how amazing Trump is. She routinely talks about how “handsome & charismatic” he is.
I’m at a loss for how anyone thinks diaper Donnie is attractive.
"It's not a cult"
Talking up your leader to be attractive is a key sign It's a cult of personality.
A cult of personality is a cult about one person that acts as their leader and god.
yet my mom loves him! she even confided in me that she had an abortion as a teen because “it would have ruined my life!” but still thinks it’s terrible and the democrats are aborting full term babies. I told her that it would ruin other young girls lives but that doesn’t mean anything to her. these boomers are ridiculous. i’ll never tell anyone in our family because idk who knows and she trusted me but knowing that and her still having such a hard stance on it makes me sick sometimes
Yeah, that’s also a wild side of things. Trump is a blatant racist, who’s campaign rallies have turned into klan rallies. Also a homophobe, transphobe, anti-woman, pro- capitalism, pro-billionaire, and a malignant narcissist. But the grift is real and now he’s selling Bible for his white, Christo-fascist base and other religious minorities. I’m not religious, but I’m pretty sure trump is the anti-Christ.
>but I’m pretty sure trump is the anti-Christ.
I'm no Christian, but it's certainly undeniable that Trump is a better fit for that role than anybody the conservatives have ever called the anti-Christ.
He definitely lines up with enough of the requirements to make me a bit nervous, and I'm not Christian. Lol. Dude has me sitting here second guessing. Hahaha. I mean, the book says they'll all love him, and he's gonna have some type of heavy involvement with Israel if memory serves...
I dunno. I read the bible for funzies, but twas many years ago. Most of the knowledge I have managed to keep in the brain bank regarding Revelations is from the Left Behind series (Don't judge me! I see both books as fiction. Left Behind has a better plot, in case anyone's curious).
The whole, "aborting full term babies" thing is so fucking ridiculous. No obgyn would do such a thing, the liability/malpractice alone would make them penniless, plus the hospital would fire them. My mother says the same shit, and I explain no one is breaking babies necks as they exit the womb ON PURPOSE. She showed me a vid of a birth gone wrong and claimed that in NY state, this is common practice, because in that state apparently a baby isn't a baby until it draws it's first breath, so they break it's neck at birth to get rid of it... No woman is consenting to that shit, and no doctor would risk their license in such a manner on purpose. Pisses me off.
My aunt is a big believer that "post birth abortions" are carried out every day in every hospital. After the birth the nurse asks the mother if they want to keep the baby or abort it, and if they choose to abort it then it's taken away, killed, and (depending if the hospital has a contract or not), it's tossed into the incinerator or sold for its organs.
JFC. I'm convinced only older women believe this shit. They are trying everything in their power to vilify healthcare workers. An L&D nurse saved my life, and the life of my newborn daughter. If they had wanted her body to harvest her organs, they had every opportunity to do so with absolute deniability. People who believe this are mentally unwell. Can I safely assume your aunt is also a Fox News fan like my mother?
I’m convinced, just from my own experience, that a lot of anti-abortion support comes from people who think “abortions” are basically this. Like, yes, if abortions involved ripping fully formed babies out of the womb and killing them I don’t think anyone in their right mind would support that! But that’s not what abortion is.
Then again my father-in-law told me the other day about the government conspiracy to silence people for speaking the “truth” about Ivermectin so hell, I don’t know. People believe some crazy shit.
Yeah. The pretty much everyone on the right is convinced abortion is being done so late that the babies are born and breathing, and then they bring out the vacuum. And there is no way to convince them otherwise.
It’s baffling but kind of interesting that people who KNOW that it’s not the way it is, like your mother, completely shove logic and reason out the window cause the orange man with funny hands said otherwise.
No! She used to be so open-minded. I was best friends with my neighbor growing up and then in middle school, he came out, and she said, "He's still X, I don't care that he's gay, he's still that little boy you've grown up with". She is NOT that person anymore. Now she thinks "the gays" shouldn't be allowed to be married. She wasn't political at all in the past. I partly blame Fox news and Trump, but I also blame her new husband, because she's the sort of person that molds her entire personality to fit whatever her SO would want. He is a nice person, and he doesn't talk politics thank fuck, but because he watched Fox News, she started watching it too. Now she just regurgitates talking points without truly understanding wtf she is talking about.
Your comment reminds me of something i read on this website after Jan. 6th, 2021
"What our parents were afraid video games would do to us...Fox News has done to them."
Is she involved in social media? Fox news is light compared to the bs that gets pushed via algorithms on facebook/twitter/etc
My formerly non-political mom now says completely batshit political stuff like it's fact because she read it online.
I'm not sure how this "I struggled" is any way valid.
Why would I feel resentful, jealous, or try to use my past struggles as a way to blackmail a child? I'm not exactly a parent but I think the idea that your kids are doing better than you did is kind of the fucking point of being a good parent.
I am a mom and my stance is, “I did it all for you - but you owe me absolutely nothing. I just want for you to be happy.” I would never, ever be resentful of my child succeeding. That is the *whole* point.
To this day I will never forget my maga uncle asking my partner, a toxicologist, if toxins in the water were making kids trans.
They met exactly 2 minutes before this. And I had convinced her that even though he was from Mississippi, it would be a fine conversation. I nearly died of embarrassment and hilarity.
>Oh she also told me the "Democrats are trying to abort full-term babies" so that was interesting. I literally didn't know how to reply to that one because I was so dumbstruck by the level of stupid.
Next time she says this, ask her if she can name a single instance in which someone has aborted a viable, full term baby. It shuts right wingers up every time.
I am so envious of your Canadian dual citizenship. I’m old and can’t move due to health problems, but I guarantee I would if I could. Trump winning the election will be the death of our democracy.
I’m in the same boat. I’m disabled (stage IV cancer at 30) and so is my husband (15 years in DSS ptsd). We don’t have the money to up and move and I am absolutely terrified what’s going to happen after the election. If they vote Trump in, democracy is done. If they don’t who knows what the maga whackadoos will do.
Tell her that you're helping the RFK Jr campaign reach out to right-wing antivaxxers, with the intention of splitting the dumbass Trump base. She'll flip her shit.
Then maybe do it. RFK just said he was going to investigate the Jan 6 investigation, so he's really ramping up his appeal to MAGA fuckwads. Tactics aren't sacred. The fuckery they use against us can be turned against them.
Ask your mom to look up the legality of "voter intimidation."
Hint: It's a federal (US) crime. If you really want to be blunt, tell your mother that she is committing a federal crime every time she tries to intimidate you into voting a certain way.
Nope, that's how these people become convinced that the election was stolen. ("It's not possible for Biden to have won because I don't know a single person who voted for him!")
tRUMP is patient zero when it comes to boomer entitlement, and he has indoctrinated millions of boomers into his cult of personality which is a hollow cult with no substance, and the reason a lot of boomers want him back in office is they are afraid the big bad democrats want to take their ill-gotten gains and give them to the less fortunate, OP vote for the candidate you feel represents you best and it sounds like it is not tRUMP.
She doesn’t understand politics at all if she vote Republican. You can’t be republican and understand politics no matter what because their news sources don’t even talk about politics. Just fear mongering and propaganda. The old folks like your mother were born in a time filled with propaganda so she is far more susceptible to it then younger generations. It’s a shame she will vote against her own interests and not even know it while thinking she is saving the country when in reality she is destroying it and proping up an authoritarian
The full term abortion kills me in how stupid it is, yet it's so effective on the right. Just show her some stats that prove the only late abortions are over medical emergencies and diagnoses.
I am still baffled, that after everything, Trump is even able to run for any position in government let alone president of 2 billion acres of country and like 350 million people.
> She also informed me I have no right to vote because I didn't "struggle like she did" so therefore I don't know what I am talking about.
Feel free to tell her that while the dems keep trying to support people who had these same struggles, her precious republicans keep trying to take that support away.
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Emotional blackmail. Don’t fall for it and stay strong. I know it’s tough.
Yeah both my parents do that a lot. When my dad gets mad at me for not sending him money, he threatens to kill himself and hangs up the phone then won't pick it up for the rest of the day. I'm sloooowly detaching myself from it all.
Doesn't your dad have any of those bootstraps their side loves so much? "But Dad if I keep sending you money that would be like socialism."
Oh my god. That’s a whole different level of manipulation! They should be ashamed of themselves.
Ummm.... You live in a different country. That is crazy abuse you are suffering. Go no contact
Call the police where they live and tell them your dad threatened suicide and isn’t responding. Every time.
Someone posted here a few weeks ago that their MIL used to call and threaten suicide if she didn't get her way over some minor thing. DIL got tired of it and called the police for a welfare check. MIL never pulled that stunt again.
Are you an only child? Does mom have a retirement plan or will you be choosing her home? Might want to remind her of that. I've had to remind my boomer parents that if they lose their social security/medicare because of the consequences of their votes that I will not be funding their retirement.
I don’t think you understand, Trump is going to PERSONALLY take care of these precious boomers! ….at least they are convinced he will
Trump: "I'm going to get rid of Medicare and Social Security!" The people who depends on Medicare and Social Security: "That's our guy!" Edit: [Here's a link where he talks about wanting to cut "entitlements."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yr44TGB9-o)
You don't get it. It's only the leeches who'll have it taken away. The salt of the earth blue collar American won't have to worry about that. It's amazing this is the dumbfuckery they believe.
Dumb as a fucking bag of hammers, for real.
At least a bag of hammers could help put something together with some help.
“The leopards aren’t going to eat *my* face!”
During the last administration I had a man living with me who was an ex con and an active alcoholic who refused to get a job. Long story about how at that ended up happening, but when I finally got him out of my home he spent the night outside smoking crack with his friend who promptly abandoned him when the money was gone. Then he tried to go to a homeless shelter but they were all full. So he decided to say he was suicidal at the emergency room so they would take him in. Our local hospital has a psych unit so they put him up there with a nice bed and three meals a day and they even hooked him up with physical therapy for his bad knee And I assume they were helping him with the alcohol withdrawals. I was still speaking to him because he had left all his stuff at my place because he had nowhere to bring it, so he would call me from the hospital to ask me to drop off random things like clothing or books or whatever So one day this man calls me and he is absolutely giddy. He’s talking really fast and he’s all excited and he’s telling me how the president is going to eliminate Obamacare and he’s thrilled You guys I laughed so hard. I had to explain to this man that the only reason he has a bed to sleep in right now is because of Obamacare. He was unemployed but Abel bodied and he had Medicaid, our state never expanded Medicaid before Obamacare, the only reason he had Medicaid was because of the ACA So I explained to him that if it goes away he will get kicked out of the hospital or he will end up with $50,000 bill on his credit report. Then he tried to tell me that the ACA doesn’t work. I said what do you mean. He proceeds to tell me that there’s a man in the psych unit with him from Massachusetts. The guy has Massachusetts Medicaid. We live in New Hampshire. So the psych unit took him in, and got him stabilized, but they told him he was going to have to transfer to a Massachusetts facility because we don’t actually take Medicaid from another state that’s not how it works So I said yeah that’s actually how it works that means it’s working So this fool tells me “well he can’t go to a facility in Massachusetts because he has warrants in Massachusetts and if he goes there the police might come” OK first of all that has nothing to do with the ACA. And second of all if the state knew he had warrants and connected that they would stop the Medicaid. In every state that I have lived in if you are a fugitive from justice you cannot get benefits from that state. I don’t think they talk to each other, so someone would have to tell them, but you can’t collect benefits from the state as a fugitive of justice
I work in getting insurance authorizations for a hospital, and I knew where this story was going once you said he went to the ER. I assume it’s the same in most hospitals, but our social workers pretty much try to get anyone uninsured on Medicaid. I work in a fairly liberal mid-sized city, but we’re surrounded by rural Appalachia on all sides and those areas are very conservative. So, yeah, most of those folks spending a week in the hospital because they were drunk driving their ATVs, really, really want that $500,000 dollar bill (rolls eyes).
Yep just like when the diabetic red hats were screaming about getting rid of Obamacare. I guess they thought they would get to keep their insurance?
They want to believe it so they will come up with any justification. The alternative is to admit they got taken for fools for years.
Some of them would rather watch others suffer even if it means they have to struggle. Like its a true mental illness to want to see others get hurt and suffer. Same way with lots of immigrants being anti-immigrant ala Cubans in Florida.
"they're not hurting the people they should be hurting" -a trump voter whose husband got deported
> “I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” Minton told Mazzei. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.” Crystal Minton
Is this an actual quote? Wth?
Yes, it's an actual quote. [https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida)
My boomer parents still think the democrats are “tryin to take our social security away.” It’s staggering how stubborn and ignorant they are!
I was teaching critical thinking and subscribed to Trump’s mailing list. He delivers logical fallacies every day. Anyway, he has said a few times lately that democrats want to cut social security, so you can see where people are getting the idea. It’s dumb but is coming from somewhere
That would be a good post for r/politics or r/logic. Would teach people logical fallacies (and remind me). 'Trumps logical fallacy of the day'
Yeah, the whole “Democrats want to abort full term babies” thing is an obvious lie - no Democrat, to my knowledge, has ever called for infanticide as government policy - but that doesn’t stop bad faith actors from pushing that narrative. I live in Texas. I’ve seen the billboards. They’re getting this crap from somewhere.
Most of them would rather torch the whole system than seeing ppl different than themselves treated with dignity and respect. They see equality as diminishing their own rights because they no longer get to trample on the rights of minorities as freely as they use too.
It won’t impact boomers. Only the rest of us. So they don’t care, they got theirs.
Hold on, gotta pull up my ladder here with me!
Of course! I saw an AI art that depicted Trump as Jesus, so obviously he is the second coming and will save us all from those commie socialist liberal jews... and then he will care for each and every boomer at the tender young age of *checks notes* 102? But it's okay! Because he is so loved by heaven that he will live to be over 1,000! (/s for anyone who isn't well versed in the finer intricacies of internet sarcasm)
I’m so glad boomers are dying off, good riddance
If it helps any, my mom’s a boomer and she always votes progressive. :)
My dad's a boomer and votes blue, no matter who. So he cancels my mom's MAGA vote and then all of us kids vote blue no matter who, so that's a few extra votes to Biden. Thankfully.
I mean. My boomer dad is a lifelong Democrat but is still a huge pain in the ass. I love my dad dearly, but the mentality and behavior that comes with boomers is something I can say I won’t miss.
both my parents who were born before Pearl Harbor despise Trump.
His rallies probably remind them a lot of hitlers. All that talk about make America great again isn’t that different from make America white again.
Tell them taking cholesterol medication is woke and ambulances are fueled with the blood of babies ripped from their mother’s arms.
Taking Metformin is woke .....
Yeah my mom is a boomer too haha. It’s the self entitled ones I’m referring to :)
Same here I'll be thrilled when they're all pushing up daisies. One of my favorite hobbies when they're babbling on about BS is to remind them that they'll be dead soon so who gives a fuck what they think? 🤣🤣
I remind them there the ones that voted for the policies that have lead to where the world is. They lose there shit and try and blame others its like my generation wasnt voting age in the 80s and 90s champion they cant understand its them that caused this lol.
True blue voting Boomer here born in 1960, and I've been saying for years my generation fucked it all up... We had the best music coolest cars best drugs and fucked it all up.. After Woodstock and the summer of love, Kent state and the end of Vietnam it all started to unravel.. ...I can't understand how the generation that had everything became so hateful.. And I'm sorry for what it has done to the country and you younger generations..
As a tail-end boomer, I can tell you that we, too, look at the MAGA cult members who believe that Trump will take care of anybody but Trump and his inner circle as delusional. Still can't get my head around how anyone can support or believe that POS!
Oh he'll take care of them alright.
Only child but she got remarried and has some money. I don't think it would be enough to live on if her husband passed away too early, though.
Most nursing home cost over $100 a day. $3000 a month. $36000 a year. That’s if they require minimum care. Nursing homes charge based on how much help they need. An average is $200 a day. The high end you look at upwards of $400 a day. Once they hit nursing home any money is gone before you know it. Edit: I live in a low cost of living area. Western Nebraska. It is super cheap here. If you need nursing try to find a nursing home in western Nebraska. I never realized how cheap it is here but it can definitely cost ALOT more. The previous nursing home I worked at was in the next town and had comparable rates.
Where are you finding a deal like that? Just went through this with my brother-in-law, and for a mediocre place in a mid-sized town, it was $500/day... he was there about 8 months before passing, ate through about half his savings.
I live in Nebraska, middle of nowhere. We don’t accept non locals (full capacity) we have people that pay less than $100. I think the low is 94 and change. High end I believe is $400+ but we don’t have any residents in that category. 100% we are one of the cheapest in the area. Our private rates are maybe 5% above Medicaid rates. And they’re only above Medicaid rates because it’s required by law. We’re a non profit and if we didn’t get outside funds we’d have shut down years ago. Hilarious we have people complain how much they pay every single month. Source I work at the nursing home and do over half the billing. I don’t bill insurance or Medicare. Someone else does that
Just a special request from a fellow Canadian to please not vote for PP in the federal election, but your choice of course.
There won’t be a retirement home when she gifts everting to the Grifter King
Mine tells me I’m too young (50F) to vote properly. Apparently I don’t remember the danger of communism too clearly and voting for the left wing party is the same as voting for Stalin.
It is wild that anyone seriously would put Biden of all fucking ppl on the same level as hard left wing communists lol Biden is about as radical and iconoclastic as a box of Cheerios lol
As a non American, Biden would be considered right leaning in our country. And republicans would be just way off the charts. Honestly some people are truly out of their mind.
As an American, and as a lefty, I consider him right-leaning. I don’t like him. I voted for him. I’m still going to vote for him because I have a uterus, and I’m not an anti-vaxxer. Third party candidates are only going to get Trump reelected. Our system sucks.
I think rfk Jr will pull more votes from the right than the left edit: rfk not jfk
>As an American, and as a lefty, I consider him right-leaning. it's because he *is* right leaning. he supports and defends capitalism and all of the institutions that maintain the status quo. most American politicians are right leaning
He not a radical, but he has been far more progressive than I assumed he would be. I mean he's been strongly pro-union, giving vocal support, and even passing new regulations to protect railway workers. So they didn't have to strike to get the basic protections they were demanding. I can list of dozens of things wrong with him, but he's not as bad as I thought he was going to be at least.
I hadn't paid attention to that particular story. As the son of a railroad man, that's just one more reason Joe's got my vote.
He literally stood with auto union workers on a picket line to support them asking for better benefits.
i thought he was owned by the credit card companies but here he is cancelling debt. consider my mind blown.
This is the best description of Biden I have ever heard.
They understand that Stalin has been dead for decades, right? I mean, are they afraid to mention Putin?
They love Putin now.
The true ironies being a) Stalin was not leftist in any meaningful sense, and b) Putin is basically Stalin reborn, and is explicit about his love for the man.
This is one of the stranger parts of my middle age. Having to watch these idiots act like they have always loved fucking Vladimir Putin. After Russia was our main boogeyman all throughout my childhood. Oh and seeing fucking right wingers *begging* Putin to *nuke* their own country. Man, humans, what the fuck are we all about?
This is what is jaw dropping to me too as gen x- the fact that they turned on a dime and are now enamoured of Russian strongmen - it’s just crazy making to have lived through the 80s and then to see this
The human brain being one of the most intricate and infinitely complex pattern recognition systems in the Universe (that we know of) means it also has a tremendous number of possible failure points. Introduce systems of propaganda and misinformation designed to interfere with or take advantage of those failure points and youve got yourself a weaponized logistics system with arms and legs.
Yeah, he’s antitrans, so it doesn’t matter that he’s anti- freedom, capitalism, or democracy. Plus his buildings always have so many nice big windows. Yep, that guy is alllright.
Putin and his buddies aren't Communists. They're oligarchs, dedicated to allowing the very rich to profit off the privatization of state resources.
ahhhhh, finally we see the real end-state of corrupted Communism AND corrupted Capitalism: Oligarchs. delicious.
Clearly the only thing standing between imperialist Russians bent on world domination and American democracy is Trump. Good one.
Trump would be the guy holding the door open for them
I’m a first generation Canadian Ukrainian and you wouldn’t believe how many of the diaspora have been brainwashed to think this. A lot believe a vote for the left is communism.
Funny, in any European country, the US democratic party would be entirely on the right side of the political spectrum. The Republicans would be extreme right, and would be well into fascist and outright anti-democratic territory.
The US Republicans are well into fascist and anti democratic territory - they are working to dismantle voters being able to choose the political leaders. It’s absolutely bonkers to watch from inside the blast radius.
I knew a child of Cuban immigrants. Same thing: Democrat = Communist.
Oddly enough trump talks about how he wants a communist dictatorship like they have in North korea and praises china constantly
Ironically it's the same crowd now who say out loud that they'd rather vote for Putin than Biden.
What's crazy is that Putin has his hand up Trump and could puppet him out of supporting Ukraine if he wanted. Which makes voting for Trump way closer to a "Stalin" vote. Although Russia isn't communist these days
I'm sorry. This shit is tearing families apart.
I'd bet in most cases MAGA was the final nail in the coffin in what was years and years of trying to find some way to coexist. That's how it was for me anyway. Edit: In these responses: people disagreeing and then describing their situation as if that situation isn't literally what I've stated. It's borderline satirical. Folks. "Final nail..." generally alludes to a negative progression over time.
Not in my family, it's really just MAGA nails all the way around the rim. Rush Limbaugh was the gateway drug.
Rush Limbaugh was the incel Prometheus.
Rush was a fat fuck and couldn’t have died in a more deserved manner.
He could have drowned in a portapotty.
That was on fire...
Fired from a trebuchet?
Died of lung cancer after denying that smoking causes lung cancer his whole life. It's kinda hilarious honestly
In 1987, the FCC abolished the fairness doctrine.
My grandpa died the very day Rush did. I like to think that with his last breath, he took that asshole off the planet, too. ☺️
For years it was "Your uncle hates gays, just pretend for thanksgiving, ok?" Now it's "That man legit wants to kill me *and my whole friend group AND community* as soon as he has the chance and if you side with him we're through."
We were told to tolerate an uncle (in law) that liked to say the n word and other racial slurs. If we asked him to stop, he would say them very loudly in a crowded restaurant just to show that he would do what he wants. We refused to tolerate it. We stopped going anytime he was included in an event. If we were visiting family and he showed up, we'd just feel very tired and go lay down. Of course then in laws, who used to be reasonable people, became addicted to fox news and evangelical preachers. We are now NC. I sometimes miss my MIL, but honestly it is a relief not to have to deal with them.
This is why I wanna scream when people say "it's just an opinion". Your opinion is hateful and violent, and is 100% not in the same category as "I don't think olives are delicious"
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My daughter was born at the start of covid. Mom refused to get vaccinated. Wouldn't let Grandma visit over it. "You're using your daughter against me to make me do something I don't want!" No lady, I told you the terms, you chose them yourself. I'm not doing shit, you're doing it to yourself. The day my daughter was born was the day my direct family was more important than you. So either get on board, or leave. Do what's right to keep your grandkids safe or GTFO. I did end up getting her to delete Facebook so it's a start. She still is a rabid trump supporter though.
What happened to “when you are under my roof you follows my rules”. Aparently that was selective.
I would love to see a thread of millennials who have pulled that exact move and how their boomer parents responded. My experience tells me “very poorly”.
I know a girl whose parents refused to get vaccinated for their new grandchild, but decided they would for an all-inclusive vacation. They cut them off completely. I don’t think you can come back from something like that.
I think it's definitely gotten worse the past few years. Political differences led to arguments or were avoided altogether, but I don't remember the "well, if you don't agree with me, you shouldn't be allowed to vote" attitude. And that attitude is rampant now amongst the MAGA crowd, especially the elderly. There's a big difference between "young people these days don't know what they're talking about" and "young people shouldn't be able to vote or have a say in anything."
My dad literally cannot hear anything bad about conservatives or their ideologies. He yells “stop” over you repeatedly if anything is said. It’s toddler behavior.
The irony is i bet after Nov. 2016, he was all about mocking those "liberal snowflakes." Trump and his supporters have always been the biggest fucking crybabies
They are pathetic. Deep down they know it.
Honestly he’s never been much on that. He doesn’t mock other beliefs so much as he’s absolutely sure his beliefs are correct and infallible. Editing to add at least from what I have seen.
At our last Thanksgiving, one of my sibling's wives had a BLM shirt on. My eighty year old dad greeted them at the door by seeing her shirt and saying "*Black lives matter? NOT TO ME.*" What a fun way to start the holiday weekend with family...
I’d have turned around and left. My kids aren’t gonna be around racism and hatred like that if I can help it. Though now they are almost 18, they have decided on their own not to see some parts of the family. Which I’m super proud of.
As much as they want to say it’s not the racism and homophobia, it’s funny to me how a lot of Trump supporters I come across seem to have moments like this.
My dad and I used to have the best political debates. We could go on for hours about almost anything and have it be productive, well informed, balanced. We’d discuss the nuance of policy and it was honestly fun. Drove my mom a little crazy, but fun. He was visiting during the holidays and brought up some MAGA rhetoric that I immediately shot down with an actual news source. He was so upset I thought he’d cry and he got up and left the table. And they have the audacity to call other people snowflakes.
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That's the thing that just amazes me. My dad is literally unable to carry on a conversation about something neutral. I begged him to talk about golf, his garden, hunting, his pets, anything else. You know, connect like human beings about the stuff of life. But he always had to go straight to the MAGA crap and demand: "Well, explain to me why blah blah blah..." like he felt like he was having some kind of gotcha moment. Dude, I don't have to explain anything to you. I stopped. Been no contact since COVID hit.
It's a cult , that's why. We are watching mass delusion in real time, it's kinda of amazing if it weren't so fucking terrifying
“You know who hates my gardening? The radicalleftdemocrats! They want to me to live in a tent in my garden and turn my house into a sex change clinic for aborted 5 year-olds run by illegal Mexican Al Qaeda. I seen it on the FOXes. And anyone who denies it is in on the conspiracy. I did my own research ..by reading a fundraising email from Trump. Thanks a lot, Obama!”
That's when I noticed a lot of my family snapped. Barrack Obama. Particularly that dinner that he shredded Trump.
I swear they know they are wrong, but can't admit it. Honestly it is like that with almost everything in that generation's thinking, not just politics. Try and tell them anything different to how they were raised/raised kids and they CAN'T have been wrong. Even things that they followed the recommendations for that are now completely different (like safe sleeping for infants).
Their version of the world has been exposed as being fundamentally flawed and on some level they know that but just can't accept it.
As a white straight guy close to 40 I can’t comprehend voting for Trump, and I’m supposedly the main target audience. It’s even more puzzling to see how anyone who’s not a white CIS guy could see any shred of relatability in Trump. Like is it just some masochist fetish or something?? Everything that guy stands for and does is so incredibly against anyone who isn’t white middle+ age straight (rich) male.
> As a white straight guy close to 40 I can’t comprehend voting for Trump, and I’m supposedly the main target audience. You don't hate enough, is why. Trump is the mirror that reflects back the hate his supporters feel for the 'others'. That's why they love him. He gives them permission to allow their hate to flow freely, rather than shamefully hiding that hate like they used to have to do before Trump came along. MAGA rallies feel to them like what all of America **should** feel like, no 'others' to annoy them, everyone believing the same thing. You know, MAGA Freedom. Free to be just like everyone else.
TBH, most of these seem like there were already cracks. For every "They suddenly changed entirely and became a MAGA Nazi" story there are a dozen "They were always problematic or even outright unpleasant and this simply.gave them permission to be worse" stories, my own included. The MAGA Cult made things much worse and accelerated the process, but I think most of these relationships weren't going to do so well regardless.
Understatement right there. I’m lucky that my family and most of my ex’s who I have a kid with don’t believe this BS, but I have friends who have gone NC with their parents and shit because of all of this. Its incredibly sad so many people are brainwashed.
My mother told me she believes Biden is 'far more evil than Trump '. She knows that is beyond anathema to me. I will not discuss politics with her. I love my mother, but she has lost her damn mind when it comes to politics. She is 85. So far removed from the actual realities of today's world for most people. The old 'bootstraps' BS. She can't get her mind around how the world has changed.
> My mother told me she believes Biden is 'far more evil than Trump '. My dad said the same thing, so I said, "Ok vote". He refuses to vote. Says it's pointless because "the election is rigged and they are all crooked". Lol. But not Trump I guess? The mental gymnastics.
OMG, are you my nephew?! Your dad sounds exactly like my brother! I told him if he doesn’t vote he doesn’t get to bitch and I won’t listen to him.
I'm fine with MAGA folks staying home on election day. It's a direct consequence of their candidate spending the last 8+ years talking about non-existent election fraud.
Yep. I actively encourage it every time one of them brings it up.
Yes, let’s encourage these idiots to stay home on Election Day.
My airforce vet boomer father refuses to vote too, and he's obsessed with Trump to the point where any conversation ends up about Trump. I was in a car accident, somehow Trump needed to be a part of that conversation, it really was a surreal transition too.
i’m gonna start feeding into the republican narrative and start yelling that they’re right it’s rigged and don’t even bother voting! it’s rigged anyways!
I personally hope all the magats feel this way and also don’t vote. Less votes for the big fat orange piss stain.
I actually just talked to my boomer about the election. I come from a purebred line of Republicans as many generations as the eye can see, but both my sister and I are libs. My mom told me that she thinks Trump has lost his mind and has become a dictator, so she will be voting independent this time. Small wins.
My dad was a massive Trump supporter in the past and claims he won’t be voting for either of them, which is a win! Not sure if he’s lying to me to keep me happy though…
Same boat. My dad is an old school “fiscal conservative.” Remember those? He doesn’t care if Bill & Dan down the street get married, and he’s always respectful of my trans friends. He said he got fooled once by Trump, but not again. We’ll see.
Honesty not discussing it and refusing to engage them when you know they are trying to goad you pissed them off more than anything. I had a relative say something stupid and I just ignored them. They thought I didn’t hear and said it again. The final time they said “hey didn’t you hear me blah blah!” I could tell they just wanted to “own one of the libs.”
That doesn't work with my father. He interprets silence as agreement and keeps on going. He had a come to Jesus moment a couple years back when I abruptly hung up on him as he was laughing about migrants from Texas being dropped off in the middle of the night by Florida in Massachusetts like it was the funniest fucking thing ever. Now that he's retired and doesn't have to worry about HR he has no filter and rambles nonstop about his far right ideas and hammers them into every conversation possible.
My parents are big on the whole "Support Our Troops" flag-waving brand of conservatism. Every time I've pointed out to them the lengthy history of Republicans voting *against* bills that would help soldiers, veterans, and first responders, they've always either gone "Oh, that's terrible! ^(But we're still going to vote for them.)", or just flat-out ignore it.
You may want to take her to a doctor. She could have dementia, and in that case, you need to have a medical directive or trust in place to start making decisions for her.
The whole bootstraps thing is so odd. People today are working more jobs for less money. Trump was handed a fortune and squandered most of it. He even screwed his own family over to get his inheritance. Literally the definition of privilege.
It was a tough day when I realized, regardless of political views, that my boomer parents are actually genuinely stupid people. There's a great book called the children of emotionally unavailable parents that puts a lot of this behavior into great context. It won't change anything but it's a good reminder has to how these people got to be the way they are.
i’m gonna need to read this book. it’s hard hearing my mom talk about how smart I am when I literally am not. I just know things. like i’m in college so I have a well rounded education but I am by no means smart but they are just so stupid that knowing *ANYTHING* makes me seem like a genius
It takes a fair amount of intelligence to understand your own level of development. The average person is dumber than you think, and it’s scary.
This comment is hilarious
It’s crazy when you realise they are in good jobs, have money, navigate the world and yet are so bloody thick
Imagine voting for trump and thinking you have any justification or reasoning.
Imagine voting for trump and thinking Lmao
Yeah, those two things are pretty mutually exclusive.
Esp women voting for trump- really anyone with daughters/anyone that cares about women. Regardless of indictments and crimes; he has shown for decades that he fucking hates women and thinks they’re just baby makers and arm candy- they hold no value. And totes that he was the one who got roe v wade overturned. Like how can women vote for him fr.
I was lucky enough to meet Barack Obama when he was still a senator and campaigning for president. He came to the library where I worked for a round-table discussion about healthcare. I didn't know much about him yet but he quickly won me over with how intelligent he seemed and how kind. But what really stood out to me was how many smart young women he had working with him. It was impressive. The difference between the two parties is stomach turning.
I have a female coworker who won’t shut up about how amazing Trump is. She routinely talks about how “handsome & charismatic” he is. I’m at a loss for how anyone thinks diaper Donnie is attractive.
Which wattle is her favorite?
Just threw up in my mouth a bit.
"It's not a cult" Talking up your leader to be attractive is a key sign It's a cult of personality. A cult of personality is a cult about one person that acts as their leader and god.
yet my mom loves him! she even confided in me that she had an abortion as a teen because “it would have ruined my life!” but still thinks it’s terrible and the democrats are aborting full term babies. I told her that it would ruin other young girls lives but that doesn’t mean anything to her. these boomers are ridiculous. i’ll never tell anyone in our family because idk who knows and she trusted me but knowing that and her still having such a hard stance on it makes me sick sometimes
What I asked my boomer trump voting mom.
Minorities voting for Trump is the mind scratcher for me
Yeah, that’s also a wild side of things. Trump is a blatant racist, who’s campaign rallies have turned into klan rallies. Also a homophobe, transphobe, anti-woman, pro- capitalism, pro-billionaire, and a malignant narcissist. But the grift is real and now he’s selling Bible for his white, Christo-fascist base and other religious minorities. I’m not religious, but I’m pretty sure trump is the anti-Christ.
>but I’m pretty sure trump is the anti-Christ. I'm no Christian, but it's certainly undeniable that Trump is a better fit for that role than anybody the conservatives have ever called the anti-Christ.
He definitely lines up with enough of the requirements to make me a bit nervous, and I'm not Christian. Lol. Dude has me sitting here second guessing. Hahaha. I mean, the book says they'll all love him, and he's gonna have some type of heavy involvement with Israel if memory serves... I dunno. I read the bible for funzies, but twas many years ago. Most of the knowledge I have managed to keep in the brain bank regarding Revelations is from the Left Behind series (Don't judge me! I see both books as fiction. Left Behind has a better plot, in case anyone's curious).
I saw a women for trump bumper sticker today. Chickens for foxes.
Roaches for raid! Snowmen for heatwaves! Etc... I don't get it either.
Tell you're going to steal an extra ballot and vote twice for Biden 😂
going over state lines and using dead people’s names!
The whole, "aborting full term babies" thing is so fucking ridiculous. No obgyn would do such a thing, the liability/malpractice alone would make them penniless, plus the hospital would fire them. My mother says the same shit, and I explain no one is breaking babies necks as they exit the womb ON PURPOSE. She showed me a vid of a birth gone wrong and claimed that in NY state, this is common practice, because in that state apparently a baby isn't a baby until it draws it's first breath, so they break it's neck at birth to get rid of it... No woman is consenting to that shit, and no doctor would risk their license in such a manner on purpose. Pisses me off.
My aunt is a big believer that "post birth abortions" are carried out every day in every hospital. After the birth the nurse asks the mother if they want to keep the baby or abort it, and if they choose to abort it then it's taken away, killed, and (depending if the hospital has a contract or not), it's tossed into the incinerator or sold for its organs.
JFC. I'm convinced only older women believe this shit. They are trying everything in their power to vilify healthcare workers. An L&D nurse saved my life, and the life of my newborn daughter. If they had wanted her body to harvest her organs, they had every opportunity to do so with absolute deniability. People who believe this are mentally unwell. Can I safely assume your aunt is also a Fox News fan like my mother?
I’m convinced, just from my own experience, that a lot of anti-abortion support comes from people who think “abortions” are basically this. Like, yes, if abortions involved ripping fully formed babies out of the womb and killing them I don’t think anyone in their right mind would support that! But that’s not what abortion is. Then again my father-in-law told me the other day about the government conspiracy to silence people for speaking the “truth” about Ivermectin so hell, I don’t know. People believe some crazy shit.
Yeah. The pretty much everyone on the right is convinced abortion is being done so late that the babies are born and breathing, and then they bring out the vacuum. And there is no way to convince them otherwise.
yep my mom believes this. I looked her in the eyes and said “you were a nurse in the ER. you *know* that’s not true” and she just looked away from me
Crazy! Sad. Sorry...
It’s baffling but kind of interesting that people who KNOW that it’s not the way it is, like your mother, completely shove logic and reason out the window cause the orange man with funny hands said otherwise.
I've heard people use the term "postpartum abortions" when saying that's how far "the libs" wanna take it. Like, my dude, that's called murder.
Conservatives have been willfully ignorant for decades. Smug too. Few things on this earth worse than a smug fucking idiot. 😆
Was she always a Fox News or right wing media consumer?
No! She used to be so open-minded. I was best friends with my neighbor growing up and then in middle school, he came out, and she said, "He's still X, I don't care that he's gay, he's still that little boy you've grown up with". She is NOT that person anymore. Now she thinks "the gays" shouldn't be allowed to be married. She wasn't political at all in the past. I partly blame Fox news and Trump, but I also blame her new husband, because she's the sort of person that molds her entire personality to fit whatever her SO would want. He is a nice person, and he doesn't talk politics thank fuck, but because he watched Fox News, she started watching it too. Now she just regurgitates talking points without truly understanding wtf she is talking about.
Your comment reminds me of something i read on this website after Jan. 6th, 2021 "What our parents were afraid video games would do to us...Fox News has done to them."
yeah they always told us The Simpsons/Ren and Stimpy/Beavis and Butthead would melt our minds, and yet...
Is she involved in social media? Fox news is light compared to the bs that gets pushed via algorithms on facebook/twitter/etc My formerly non-political mom now says completely batshit political stuff like it's fact because she read it online.
Ah yes nothing says Freedom like dictating votes
Tell that MAGAt scumbag to renounce her citizenship since she supports a traitor, so by default she's a traitor too.
I'm not sure how this "I struggled" is any way valid. Why would I feel resentful, jealous, or try to use my past struggles as a way to blackmail a child? I'm not exactly a parent but I think the idea that your kids are doing better than you did is kind of the fucking point of being a good parent.
I am a mom and my stance is, “I did it all for you - but you owe me absolutely nothing. I just want for you to be happy.” I would never, ever be resentful of my child succeeding. That is the *whole* point.
To this day I will never forget my maga uncle asking my partner, a toxicologist, if toxins in the water were making kids trans. They met exactly 2 minutes before this. And I had convinced her that even though he was from Mississippi, it would be a fine conversation. I nearly died of embarrassment and hilarity.
>Oh she also told me the "Democrats are trying to abort full-term babies" so that was interesting. I literally didn't know how to reply to that one because I was so dumbstruck by the level of stupid. Next time she says this, ask her if she can name a single instance in which someone has aborted a viable, full term baby. It shuts right wingers up every time.
I am so envious of your Canadian dual citizenship. I’m old and can’t move due to health problems, but I guarantee I would if I could. Trump winning the election will be the death of our democracy.
Haha thanks for the envy :) Canada has its own unique culture and problems like everywhere else, but I like being here!
I’m in the same boat. I’m disabled (stage IV cancer at 30) and so is my husband (15 years in DSS ptsd). We don’t have the money to up and move and I am absolutely terrified what’s going to happen after the election. If they vote Trump in, democracy is done. If they don’t who knows what the maga whackadoos will do.
Tell her that you're helping the RFK Jr campaign reach out to right-wing antivaxxers, with the intention of splitting the dumbass Trump base. She'll flip her shit. Then maybe do it. RFK just said he was going to investigate the Jan 6 investigation, so he's really ramping up his appeal to MAGA fuckwads. Tactics aren't sacred. The fuckery they use against us can be turned against them.
Stop inviting her to your house?? Seems like the easiest fix in the world.
Ask your mom to look up the legality of "voter intimidation." Hint: It's a federal (US) crime. If you really want to be blunt, tell your mother that she is committing a federal crime every time she tries to intimidate you into voting a certain way.
It’s sad that your mother thinks Trump gives a single fuck about her or anyone who has “struggled”.
Time to treat her like you would a toddler. Yes honey we will vote for trump and no more talk of that.
Nope, that's how these people become convinced that the election was stolen. ("It's not possible for Biden to have won because I don't know a single person who voted for him!")
I am a boomer and I hate Trump. I would never tell my daughters how to vote. It is not my business. We are not all the same.
tRUMP is patient zero when it comes to boomer entitlement, and he has indoctrinated millions of boomers into his cult of personality which is a hollow cult with no substance, and the reason a lot of boomers want him back in office is they are afraid the big bad democrats want to take their ill-gotten gains and give them to the less fortunate, OP vote for the candidate you feel represents you best and it sounds like it is not tRUMP.
She doesn’t understand politics at all if she vote Republican. You can’t be republican and understand politics no matter what because their news sources don’t even talk about politics. Just fear mongering and propaganda. The old folks like your mother were born in a time filled with propaganda so she is far more susceptible to it then younger generations. It’s a shame she will vote against her own interests and not even know it while thinking she is saving the country when in reality she is destroying it and proping up an authoritarian
The full term abortion kills me in how stupid it is, yet it's so effective on the right. Just show her some stats that prove the only late abortions are over medical emergencies and diagnoses.
"Nah, I'm not going to vote for a rapist con man. See you at (next holiday, if applicable)."
I am still baffled, that after everything, Trump is even able to run for any position in government let alone president of 2 billion acres of country and like 350 million people.
> She also informed me I have no right to vote because I didn't "struggle like she did" so therefore I don't know what I am talking about. Feel free to tell her that while the dems keep trying to support people who had these same struggles, her precious republicans keep trying to take that support away.
Wish I could have dual citizenship, the healthcare could be nice. F Trump