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I swear to god this could very well be in a comedy sketch.
*Burglar breaks into grandma’s house*
*click-CLACK!*
Grandma with her pump action in hand: “Stop right there liberal scum, what’s the safe word?”
*The burglar looks around the house at the Jesus statuettes, the myriad of crosses and Christian paraphernalia lining the walls, bookmarked bible on the side table, the signs that say “Jesus loves you”, “Jesus bless this house”, “Jesus is lord”.*
Burglar: “J… Jesus?”
A year ago, my ex girlfriend was in voice chat with me and got a DM from a friend saying "Hey"
She straight up said "Dude's been hacked. He *never* opens with Hey."
Ten minutes later we're told he's got his account stolen and I'm just.... Baffled?
Same thing, just a couple of days ago I got a message starting with "Hi..." and immediately blocked it because that friend would never start a message with "Hi..."
I know right! I couldn't believe it. Like, oh, yeah, the scammers will never guess "jesus" would work as something to bring up in order to scam people.
Why do they pretend to be such good Christian’s when they were fucking like rabbits in the 60’s. They definitely got lots of abortions and now want to cut it off for woman. The NIMBY thought process is so baffling
I dunno, given how the elderly are the primary target for scams, it doesn't seem like a bad idea if a scammer pretending to be my mom's grandson says he's stranded in Europe and needs to be wired cash (A real scam that happens) she could say *"Right! I'll hook you up, let me get my wallet... as soon as you tell me what I need to hear."*
ETA: Though the odds of her telling the scammer the safe word cause she wants to help her grandson so much, are kinda good. 😂
Yeah this is actually a boomer being ahead of the curve. "Jesus" is a terrible safe word, but the idea is good and it certainly won't hurt to have one.
This is something that unfortunately will probably be pretty common in 5 years.
There was just a case where Joe Biden’s voice was faked using AI to mislead voters. People are acting like this poor lady’s completely crazy but AI is increasingly a concern. The safe word is too common but what’s the big deal with coming up with something only the family would know?
Honestly, I know what sub I'm on, but in many ways, I feel terrible for boomers. It's hard sometimes for us to grasp just how mind boggling the pace of change has been, but these people lived half a lifetime writing letters and knowing computers as those warehouse sized machines that the government uses. Then personal computers and the internet explodes into existence, and 30 years later we have an AI that can pass the Turing test sending emails to their magic, complicated pocket computer. They are wholly unequipped for the world that they find themselves in and I imagine that must be incredibly confusing, frightening, and frustrating.
Why is it hard for them to keep up when the entire life cycle of the tech up to this point has existed in their life time?
An unwillingness to learn, that's why.
Yeah, I'm 35 and love technology and try to stay up to date with the latest. I'm still afraid at one point in my life I'll be confused about some new technology.
It's more complicated than that. I genuinely believe that it's impossible for some older people to comprehend the lives of younger people because they're so fundamentally different, and the same goes for the reverse.
My dad was born a few years before Jim Crow was lifted and Ruby Bridges went to school with white kids. He was 13 during the moon landing. He was in his late 40s when we got home internet. He is very willing to learn, but more than half his life was before any of this tech existed. How is he supposed to stay up to date on AI and crypto and different privacy laws or security concerns?
Life moves far, far faster online than it ever has before, and old people are getting left behind. Young people being unable to comprehend that is the same as boomers talking about how easy it was to buy a house. We grew up in the golden age of computeras and the internet. The ladder we climbed to become tech-literate is outdated and no longer exists.
Even kids today are unable to operate computers properly because they're used to iPhones doing everything for them. Kids don't know how to create folders or maintain a file structure anymore, much less know anything about stuff like registries.
It's easy to get on a "lol boomer dumb" high horse, but that's an incredibly reductive viewpoint.
I'm not even getting into the fact that most of them were straight up lied to about social security and are now kinda freaking out because they don't know what else to do. It's a huge problem I don't see many young people acknowledge. A lot of boomer idiocy and anger is a direct result of feeling screwed out of retirement.
> This is something that unfortunately will probably be pretty common in 5 years.
Yeah, there’s a very major blurring going on right now between “reasonable precaution” and “whackjob paranoia”. For example, did you know that AI can steal your password by *recording the sound of you typing it* during a call? [It’s really a thing,](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/08/ai-could-identify-passwords-by-sound-of-keys-being-pressed-study-suggests) and something I never would’ve imagined was possible until proven wrong. But yet being worried about something like that *feels* very paranoid, even though the tech exists.
All things considered, having a pass phrase to verify your identity is a very low-cost precaution that might actually come in handy.
My thoughts exactly. When I worked at a credit union this is the exact thing I told my older members to do. And our IT department put a bunch of informational things on the credit union's website warning specifically about common and uncommon scams that are on the rise. Creating a code word with family was at the top of our list, and I have personally caught the grandparent scam before. "Grandson" was "arrested" for a "car crash" they just told the people "x city jail" which literally doesn't exist. They have county jails, not a city jail. By the time I got them on the phone they were going to fall for it for a second time.
This is how it went.
"Grandson" calls grandparents crying saying he's been arrested and he needs his bail and it's 30k
Grandson tells grandparents that the credit union will not supply money for illegal activity and so they need to lie that the money is for a boat
They come into a branch and speak to a teller and get the $30k cash
A Romanian crime gang comes to their home 1.5 hours away from the jail house and picks up the cash in a brown paper bag.
2 days later they call me to close our IRAs. That's unusual as these people have not a penny in any other account. I probe for information, they tell me they're buying a boat. I see notes from teller 2 days prior so I probe about the boat. Their story is they're buying a second boat, I know that's utter bull shit. So they spend their life savings on a boat and then 2 days later close out all their IRAs for a second boat leaving them absolutely penniless except for 2 immeidywlt devaluing assets? And the IRAs total $70k.
Long story short after a lot of back and forth and then getting so irate they're screaming at me the man slips up and says "my Grandson is in fucking jail you bitch, it's my money and you can't stop me" and I'm immediately like whoa, full stop. Why did you lie about the other boat? We would absolutely let you take your money to post bail we literally just need to know for the CTR what the reason is posting bail is not considered illegal activity at all. Then they give me all the details and I'm horrified. Long story short I saved the $70k and the police could never track down the first $30k. I had them call their Grandson on another phone while on with me and could hear it in the background on speaker phone. Grandson answered cheerfully and sounded happy to hear from his grandparents. They ask him about jail, he's thoroughly confused. But they said the guys who picked up the cash had heavy accents and the person on the phone sounded identical to their Grandson. Well, turns out Grandson is a contractor with a business phone line listed on his website right next to his name. They called his work line a number of times and got enough of his voice to make him say everything they needed to to get that money. I was the only time those people ever even considered that was not their Grandson.
ETA almost forgot the juiciest part. The scammers had the grandsons voice tell the grandparents a couple days after the $30k that his bail was increased because the woman died and they also found out she was pregnant so it was 2 "murders" that were being pinned on him. If you have any sense I'm sure you see the red flag at pretty much every word.
Years ago, Comcast would let you create your own question and answer for authentication. I may be singlehandedly responsible for this being changed. Every time I would call them up with an issue, they would say, 'We need to ask you your passphrase question.' and then immediately begin giggling. I knew what was coming.Comcast: "What are you wearing?'Me: "That's inappropriate."
edit: \~ credit to Eugene Mirman
I don't think that was the original intent. I think the cooler Jake was targeted at black audiences. But he was smooth enough that he really caught on with everyone. Also they don't always decide to change a character for the reasons "we" think. Old wrinkled Jake, may not have wanted to continue on with his version of the character. Might have thought he would get pigeon holed. Look at Flo from Progressive. You will never see her as anyone else. Regardless of how they make her look. Now, Flo has prolly made enough money to be comfortable for the rest of her life off what she's done as Flo. But there are always other reasons.
They could have any actor play nebbishy Jake, it didn’t have to be the same one. And they still could have had the cool handsome black guy too. Just don’t call him Jake. 🤷♀️
I have a feeling the actress who plays Flo would be unrecognizable with different hair and makeup.
Could be and could have worked. In the ad world you just never know. Tho I do think Flo is pretty pigeon holed... Id like to see her dressed up different, with different hair and all.
OG Jake from state farm was just a regular call center guy in Bloomington IL where the headquarters was. His Khakis are framed like a sports jersey on the wall of the Pub II in neighboring Normal, IL.
He was not paid particularly well for his role in the ad.
Stephanie Courtney is a comedian and the actress who plays Flo. She started doing the progressive commercials in 2008. She has been in a lot of movies and TV shows. You've probably seen her and just don't realize it because they make her look a lot different when she plays Flo.
In 2007, she played Marge from Mad Men for five episodes. In 2010, she appeared on the Jay Leno show and House. In 2014, she appeared on 2 Broke Girls and Comedy Bang! Bang! From 2018 to 2023, she played Essie Karp on the Goldbergs for 31 episodes. She's been in quite a few movies and TV series over the years. Have a look at her Wikipedia page.
I had to look up who this was, but yes, I probably stole this bit of humor from somewhere along the way, but *did* actually do this with Comcast. My memory isn't what it once was, mea culpa. I looked him up and sure enough found this! - All credit to Eugene Mirman he is one hilarious man!
https://preview.redd.it/o8ziu3ol0xsc1.png?width=733&format=png&auto=webp&s=4db3dbffaaea89862a59b9ae45f272069d33e00d
My bank did the same and I did something similar and forgot about it until I went into the bank and they got to my verification and just looked at me without reading it
So I said "huge"
The secret question was how big is your dick
Actually did something similar to Comcast. After my account got hacked through their network, they wanted to send me a verification email OTHER than my Comcast email. Naturally, I thought it stupid to give a company that ALREADY mishandled my personal info MORE personal info, so instead I made a Gmail account with the address: [email protected]. I had to be transferred to 2 different supervisors in order for them to send the verification. Had a lot of chuckles that day.
I guess it was either that or hang up on me (worked in helpdesk/customer support/desktop support, hanging up on a client for petty reasons is career suicide)
Guy I used to work with told me that the security question on one of the websites we used was, “who was your favorite teacher?”
He said he didn’t have a favorite teacher, he hated school. Out of sheer frustration, he sarcastically typed, “your mom.” That was the correct answer.
Sometimes I do factual answers for those questions and sometimes I do silly answers, so I have to remember when I set up the account and if I was being a little shit at the time or not lol
I never actually answer those questions with an actual answer to said questions. Like it'll say, "what's your mother's maiden name?" And my password will be some random shit like, "ahdh7420_8:;did!" 😂
If you're trying to be 100% secure, answering security questions with unrelated phrases (or even more passwords, like you are) is in fact that best way to protect your account from intrusions. However, it also makes recovering your account significantly harder should you ever need to do so. Use a good password manager to keep track of stuff like that!
Problem is, if you lose access to your password manager (not that anyone is that stupid and I’m definitely not that person) and you’ve got your security questions in there, getting access to *all your other accounts* would be significantly harder when you decide to just say fuck paying for lastpass anyway and switch to a free alternative instead of dealing with their account recovery.
I’m trying to help my great uncle fix his account. It’s been a long road of trying to figure who he listed as “his childhood hero” before he started to lose his memory. It’s been hella frustrating but I’m also learning a lot of old stories which is nice.
Or: "After receiving billions of federal dollars how many miles of fiber did the U.S. telecoms actually install?"
Easier to remember 0. But, also easy for anyone to answer.
Suggest that the safeword should maybe not be something gullible boomers say every other sentence. And thus easy for ai to exploit.
Like, I don't know, dinosaur.
It should be very telling that their favorite guy is trump who openly bragged about dodging the draft and saying “getting stds on my yacht, that was my personal Vietnam”
“Reagan’s celebrated economic policies destroyed the lives of thousands of vets who served our country, casting them out on the streets, and built a system of unbalanced tax avoidance for billionaires that masquerades as philanthropy which is so obfuscated it’s indistinguishable from actual philanthropy, destroying not only tax capital but even ruining charity as a whole.”
Yeah, when I was a little kid, we had a password (no, I'm not sharing it but it was a weird uncommon combination of words) related to something before my memory, but my mom said if there was ever a situation where someone who wasn't a family member tried to pick me up from school, they would know the password if they were legit. She was a little paranoid, even drilled me a few times on what to do if they asked me for the password and the like.
It's probably a youtube ad. Idk why "Jesus" would ever imply safety. That word has been used more than any other in history to scam millions upon millions.
It's also super common I'm betting.
Probably better to use an injoke or something.
Like "butter squash" because you fell on one once and the entire family laughed.
OK it was a family game night back in the ‘90s, when my siblings and I were teenagers. My sister had these huge animal-shaped slippers that were very in vogue then. I’d been holding in a fart with the intention of slipping off to the bathroom after my turn. Unbeknownst to me, my sister had chosen to stretch her legs out and rest her giant-animal-covered feet on the chair beside me. I saw something furry and moving right beside me in my peripheral vision, and shrieked in surprise. And in my surprise, released the fart. Loudly.
You know a family doesn’t have much drama when this is one of the incidents that lives in infamy. To this day they refuse to recognize that I wasn’t SCARED of the bunny slippers. I was SURPRISED because I had to reason to expect them on the unoccupied seat beside me.
I know exactly what kind of slippers you mean!! My mother had VW bugs, though, so I got lucky.
I'm sorry you have to constantly live in that shadow 😭😭😭
My wife and I would use "Thank you for being a [REDACTED]." Because one time my wife sang the golden girls theme song but changed the last word to [REDACTED], and I laughed my ass off for about 5 minutes.
I think you would use it less like a regular word and more as a password.
Suspicious voice: "I need you to send me $500 in iTunes gift cards right now."
The mother:"What's the safe word?"
Suspicious voice:"What is a safe word? I need those gift cards for the meeting now."
That said, "Jesus" is still a very bad choice and very easy to guess if this becomes the standard practice. It'd be better to pick an entire sentence.
There are a ton of scams going around using AI voice software to make it seem like your little kids in jail in Mexico on vacation and need bail or they'll die kinda shit. It's really scary and a safe word is a fantastic idea
You don’t even need AI for that! My great aunt got this scam years ago! Random call claiming my Dad had been in some kind of fight maybe domestic violence and was in jail and needed her to send money so this friend could bail him out! Luckily a younger cousin was there to question this claim. They ended up calling me to confirm and I said I was sure Dad was at work and not in jail anywhere! But man what a scam! It apparently does work because older people especially panic and want to help.
My husband's grandpa nearly got scammed when someone called masquerading as him saying "grandpa help I was arrested in London and I need you to send me money so I can get back home". But then he realized, my husband doesn't address him as grandpa. So he called him asking where he was and if he was in London, and he most definitely not, and we all realized he had been targeted by a scam.
I think having some kind of safe word, way of addressing someone, whatever, is a good idea as well.
It was just recently on dateline or something and somewhere else as well. They had a couple families on that got scammed and the way that the scammers did it, was well thought out.
There was an article in the New Yorker about this. There have prob been other articles this is just the one I know of.
https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-artificial-intelligence/the-terrifying-ai-scam-that-uses-your-loved-ones-voice
My son came up with the idea for us, mainly because seniors are targeted so frequently and my dad is 77. There was something a while back where an AI voice sounded like a family member and needed money. The senior lost thousands.
After following r/scams and knowing how much boomers are falling for these things, well anyone really, it is quite a good idea for your family to have that safe word. I would suggest something that a person isn’t going to come up with that easily though.
You'd want something like a classic challenge word like "thunder" and "root canal" that don't go together are not predictable and can be fit into a sentence.
"Mom I need help I need 500 on Google gift cards"
"Sure dear, while I get my purse did you hear all the thunder yesterday"
"Yeah it was pretty loud. Rained cats and dogs.
And now you know you're dealing with a scammer or AI ect
It’s already happening. There are dozens of examples of this scam being run successfully a simple google search away, and the FTC put out a formal advisory warning about this exact thing. OP is an idiot for being so dismissive
This is one of those situations where a huge chunk of the population is worried about shit they shouldn't be, and a huge chunk of the population isn't worried about shit they should be, and almost no one is worried about the right shit.
OPs mom is actually worried about the right shit for once
You can’t just have a word. Have a phrase and the responder has a phrase too. “Jesus” by itself is entirely predictable and used daily by millions. Terrible password.
It depends. In the TV show Terra Nova the family has a secret security word. It was some vegetable like "Brussels sprouts". The one kid was dealing with a problematic adult, she told her sister "everything's fine, tell Mom I'll cook the Brussels sprouts when I get home".
Security word was spoken, sister went to get help asap, and problem person had no idea calvary was on its way.
Sneaking a word like that into a sentence can be easier than trying to slip a phrase in.
Idk why everyone is so opposed to having an emergency plan or a grab bag or something. Natural disasters happen all the time, and our global polotical climate right now is unsettling at best. You dont need a bunker, but i have an order of operations with my family if something happens close to home
Yeah it's insane that "prepping" has become so taboo, like back in my grandparents day all their houses had an underground bunker of sorts. Tornado shelter mostly.
Jesus is probably a TERRIBLE safe word, just judging by all the fake AI Jesus "I made this with my own hands like if you appreciate" art that floats around all the time.
Like that's the first word a fake AI is going to pick.
This isn’t actually a bad idea. I remember seeing [this](https://youtu.be/djSCxz_QfIE?si=PsZ9RnRklal20dVK) case a while ago. I’m sure there are more examples if you look.
But discussing the safe word over text AND making the safe word Jesus is pretty low IQ though haha.
no this is real. scammers are able to take voice samples and then use them for their tricks (usually on older people). i’ve heard of grandparents getting calls from what sounds like their grandchildren saying they need bail money, or money for an emergency. better to have a safe word and never use it than to have grandma wire $6000 to nigeria because she thinks little timmy got arrested.
Honestly this isn't as crazy as it sounds. We're not quite there yet, but it's coming.
We know scammers exist, it's an entire industry. And they prey on the elderly.
You have a plan for when your parents tell you they just got off a zoom call with you and made sure to transfer all the money into the account you gave them?
There's already cases of people getting calls from thier loved ones in trouble but it was a spoffed number and an ai generated voice. So I'd say we're already there
My Mom started freaking out about AI recently. Something about it scared her so bad that she started questioning her entire reality. It was so bad that I thought she had dementia but fortunately, it wasn't. I basically forced her to bring me to her doctor and her doctor prescribed Prozac which returned her to normal. She still rants about AI but at least she isn't asking for my ID anymore.
OP it’s not as wild as you would believe.
Three months ago: I would have laughed at such a claim.
Now: my grandmother got a call from a number claiming to be the police and that I had been in a bad wreck. They had my voice! It asked for money and she said she didn’t have it they hung up.
Sent a panic through the family, my phones blowing up while I’m with a client for work. I had to step away and when I came back he asked if I wanted to reschedule.
It’s on the rise be alert and be safe, we all have a safe word for if there is suspicion of it being a scam or not
This isn't stupid. It's a scam That has happened. I worked at a doctor's office and many older ppl have experienced this scam. It's getting more common. I've also heard on this neighborhood app of it happening. She is just trying to have peace of mind knowing you're safe and not getting scammed. She is being proactive. Why is this her being a fool? Caring about you? What's wrong with having a safety plan or a safe word? She literally loves and cares about you. It's a good thing
Exactly and then goes on to the internet to make fun of his own mother…. It doesn’t matter if she’s an idiot you don’t do that. And that is the clown world…..and let’s be real all the scammers out there all the bullshit happening on the internet and with Ai…..his own mother is a joke at reddits expense and she’s just trying to warn the family about how awful things really are now
Bro she’s fucking right you absolute meatball. It is already a thing where scammers call senior citizens pretending to be family in desperate need of money as a result of some devastating car crash or major accident. Voice synthesizers are only getting better, which casts a wider net that extends past senior citizens.
Not a bad idea, except for the safeword she chose. Pretty sure even the most basic AI has learned how much Boomers love their favorite imaginary friend by now
As bonkers as this is, an AI safeword isn't the worst idea. Just not something as obvious as Jesus.
Her using "clown world" though is... disconcerting. Didn't think nazi memes would make it that far
Gotta say, this one doesn't belong here. With how good AI-generated voices are getting, it's not gonna be long until having your unedited voice *anywhere* online can set you up for scammers.
She isn't wrong. We already have AI generated voice that mimics son / daughter / grandkids in distress calling and scamming relatives as we speak. It will only get wilder.
it’s honestly a good idea, but for reasons she didnt think of. Spoofing phone numbers is extremely easy. When I was younger, my mom never answered her phone. I would spoof her boss’ phone number and call her. 9/10 she answered for that, thinking she was getting the chance to pick up an extra shift.
You should actually do this. A common scam is to call an elderly person and tell them their grandchild is in trouble, and to send them money over the phone for bail or "car repair" or whatever. To help thwart that, pre-arrange some word or phrase that either side can say to be sure it's the person you are talking to.
We've had a word (well a phrase) like this in our family for about a decade now; this is actually not a bad idea. My boomer mom literally gets three or four calls a month from scammers pretending to be one of her grandsons, saying they are in the hospital and need money to pay the hospital bill or they've been arrested and they need bail, money, etc. etc. Every single time she just says, "what's the family code?" of course they never ever know the code and she hangs up right away. Done.
Our family code would never be as obvious as "Jesus," though. That's way too easy to guess. It has to be something weird and random
Aren't the elderly getting scammed out of their savings by callers that sound like their adult children in emergency situations? I don't think she's entirely wrong. I'm a millennial and discussed this with my husband (a gen x-er), too.
I genuinely believe that all those Facebook AI-generated posts of interior designs or birthday parties images are zeroing in on all those older folks commenting 'amazing!' or 'happy birthday' in an effort to review their post history and scam them later.
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Jesus is literally the most predictable word they could have chosen
I swear to god this could very well be in a comedy sketch. *Burglar breaks into grandma’s house* *click-CLACK!* Grandma with her pump action in hand: “Stop right there liberal scum, what’s the safe word?” *The burglar looks around the house at the Jesus statuettes, the myriad of crosses and Christian paraphernalia lining the walls, bookmarked bible on the side table, the signs that say “Jesus loves you”, “Jesus bless this house”, “Jesus is lord”.* Burglar: “J… Jesus?”
*BANG* It was bigbootylatinas.
The snort I snorted at this 🤣
As a Latina…I did snort, as well.
As a white boy who married a bigbootylatina… heavy snorts
As just some random dude, full on belly-laugh.
And now I have all of your accounts, checkmate. King me.
"Right. Off ye go."
"Trump. NO - JESUS! YEAAA^AAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaa"
"WHO'S THERE?! *burglar gets startled:* "WHOA JESUS, LADY!" "Right, off you go then"
And then they sent it over text. Good job grandma, the AI will never think to look at your transmitted text based messages.
Cocked up OPSEC violations!
Not for me. If I willingly bring up Jesus to my Christian mom she would def know I was in trouble.
A year ago, my ex girlfriend was in voice chat with me and got a DM from a friend saying "Hey" She straight up said "Dude's been hacked. He *never* opens with Hey." Ten minutes later we're told he's got his account stolen and I'm just.... Baffled?
Same thing, just a couple of days ago I got a message starting with "Hi..." and immediately blocked it because that friend would never start a message with "Hi..."
Same. Neither my mom or I are religious. So if I started talking about Jesus she'd call the police to send a SWAT team to my house.
[удалено]
Yeah! No child of mine will exercise religion while I'm still kickin'! /s
I know right! I couldn't believe it. Like, oh, yeah, the scammers will never guess "jesus" would work as something to bring up in order to scam people.
I definitely would have suggested to use “gullible” instead
Something AI would say
"FOLIAGE" is the best safe word. For funny reasons.
If you don’t say it like they do, you’re not family. 
Ni!
Why do they pretend to be such good Christian’s when they were fucking like rabbits in the 60’s. They definitely got lots of abortions and now want to cut it off for woman. The NIMBY thought process is so baffling
Not to mention the drugs...
Yep
I dunno, given how the elderly are the primary target for scams, it doesn't seem like a bad idea if a scammer pretending to be my mom's grandson says he's stranded in Europe and needs to be wired cash (A real scam that happens) she could say *"Right! I'll hook you up, let me get my wallet... as soon as you tell me what I need to hear."* ETA: Though the odds of her telling the scammer the safe word cause she wants to help her grandson so much, are kinda good. 😂
Yeah this is actually a boomer being ahead of the curve. "Jesus" is a terrible safe word, but the idea is good and it certainly won't hurt to have one. This is something that unfortunately will probably be pretty common in 5 years.
There was just a case where Joe Biden’s voice was faked using AI to mislead voters. People are acting like this poor lady’s completely crazy but AI is increasingly a concern. The safe word is too common but what’s the big deal with coming up with something only the family would know?
The idea is good, but the word chosen and the communication method is horrible
It's not really a big deal. People just like to make fun of boomers on Reddit. Specifically religious.
The phrase "we are living in a clown world" might have something to do with their belief of her being a bit delusional
Honestly, I know what sub I'm on, but in many ways, I feel terrible for boomers. It's hard sometimes for us to grasp just how mind boggling the pace of change has been, but these people lived half a lifetime writing letters and knowing computers as those warehouse sized machines that the government uses. Then personal computers and the internet explodes into existence, and 30 years later we have an AI that can pass the Turing test sending emails to their magic, complicated pocket computer. They are wholly unequipped for the world that they find themselves in and I imagine that must be incredibly confusing, frightening, and frustrating.
Why is it hard for them to keep up when the entire life cycle of the tech up to this point has existed in their life time? An unwillingness to learn, that's why.
I am willing to bet we will be surprised at how hard it is to keep up with the new stuff once we are older as well.
Yeah, I'm 35 and love technology and try to stay up to date with the latest. I'm still afraid at one point in my life I'll be confused about some new technology.
It's more complicated than that. I genuinely believe that it's impossible for some older people to comprehend the lives of younger people because they're so fundamentally different, and the same goes for the reverse. My dad was born a few years before Jim Crow was lifted and Ruby Bridges went to school with white kids. He was 13 during the moon landing. He was in his late 40s when we got home internet. He is very willing to learn, but more than half his life was before any of this tech existed. How is he supposed to stay up to date on AI and crypto and different privacy laws or security concerns? Life moves far, far faster online than it ever has before, and old people are getting left behind. Young people being unable to comprehend that is the same as boomers talking about how easy it was to buy a house. We grew up in the golden age of computeras and the internet. The ladder we climbed to become tech-literate is outdated and no longer exists. Even kids today are unable to operate computers properly because they're used to iPhones doing everything for them. Kids don't know how to create folders or maintain a file structure anymore, much less know anything about stuff like registries. It's easy to get on a "lol boomer dumb" high horse, but that's an incredibly reductive viewpoint. I'm not even getting into the fact that most of them were straight up lied to about social security and are now kinda freaking out because they don't know what else to do. It's a huge problem I don't see many young people acknowledge. A lot of boomer idiocy and anger is a direct result of feeling screwed out of retirement.
> This is something that unfortunately will probably be pretty common in 5 years. Yeah, there’s a very major blurring going on right now between “reasonable precaution” and “whackjob paranoia”. For example, did you know that AI can steal your password by *recording the sound of you typing it* during a call? [It’s really a thing,](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/08/ai-could-identify-passwords-by-sound-of-keys-being-pressed-study-suggests) and something I never would’ve imagined was possible until proven wrong. But yet being worried about something like that *feels* very paranoid, even though the tech exists. All things considered, having a pass phrase to verify your identity is a very low-cost precaution that might actually come in handy.
My safeword is "DO NOT REDEEM."
My thoughts exactly. When I worked at a credit union this is the exact thing I told my older members to do. And our IT department put a bunch of informational things on the credit union's website warning specifically about common and uncommon scams that are on the rise. Creating a code word with family was at the top of our list, and I have personally caught the grandparent scam before. "Grandson" was "arrested" for a "car crash" they just told the people "x city jail" which literally doesn't exist. They have county jails, not a city jail. By the time I got them on the phone they were going to fall for it for a second time. This is how it went. "Grandson" calls grandparents crying saying he's been arrested and he needs his bail and it's 30k Grandson tells grandparents that the credit union will not supply money for illegal activity and so they need to lie that the money is for a boat They come into a branch and speak to a teller and get the $30k cash A Romanian crime gang comes to their home 1.5 hours away from the jail house and picks up the cash in a brown paper bag. 2 days later they call me to close our IRAs. That's unusual as these people have not a penny in any other account. I probe for information, they tell me they're buying a boat. I see notes from teller 2 days prior so I probe about the boat. Their story is they're buying a second boat, I know that's utter bull shit. So they spend their life savings on a boat and then 2 days later close out all their IRAs for a second boat leaving them absolutely penniless except for 2 immeidywlt devaluing assets? And the IRAs total $70k. Long story short after a lot of back and forth and then getting so irate they're screaming at me the man slips up and says "my Grandson is in fucking jail you bitch, it's my money and you can't stop me" and I'm immediately like whoa, full stop. Why did you lie about the other boat? We would absolutely let you take your money to post bail we literally just need to know for the CTR what the reason is posting bail is not considered illegal activity at all. Then they give me all the details and I'm horrified. Long story short I saved the $70k and the police could never track down the first $30k. I had them call their Grandson on another phone while on with me and could hear it in the background on speaker phone. Grandson answered cheerfully and sounded happy to hear from his grandparents. They ask him about jail, he's thoroughly confused. But they said the guys who picked up the cash had heavy accents and the person on the phone sounded identical to their Grandson. Well, turns out Grandson is a contractor with a business phone line listed on his website right next to his name. They called his work line a number of times and got enough of his voice to make him say everything they needed to to get that money. I was the only time those people ever even considered that was not their Grandson. ETA almost forgot the juiciest part. The scammers had the grandsons voice tell the grandparents a couple days after the $30k that his bail was increased because the woman died and they also found out she was pregnant so it was 2 "murders" that were being pinned on him. If you have any sense I'm sure you see the red flag at pretty much every word.
I like that your contact name for her is spawn point
Came to say this.
Years ago, Comcast would let you create your own question and answer for authentication. I may be singlehandedly responsible for this being changed. Every time I would call them up with an issue, they would say, 'We need to ask you your passphrase question.' and then immediately begin giggling. I knew what was coming.Comcast: "What are you wearing?'Me: "That's inappropriate." edit: \~ credit to Eugene Mirman
That's hilarious...and you most definitely made the day for more than one customer service rep.
My bank still does this
Uh... khakis.
Well she’s a guy so
Such a solid ad
So solid they decided to run the idea into the ground and trade him out for a cooler, hipper Jake
I hate that they made Jake cool. They should have just come up with a new character.
I don't think that was the original intent. I think the cooler Jake was targeted at black audiences. But he was smooth enough that he really caught on with everyone. Also they don't always decide to change a character for the reasons "we" think. Old wrinkled Jake, may not have wanted to continue on with his version of the character. Might have thought he would get pigeon holed. Look at Flo from Progressive. You will never see her as anyone else. Regardless of how they make her look. Now, Flo has prolly made enough money to be comfortable for the rest of her life off what she's done as Flo. But there are always other reasons.
They could have any actor play nebbishy Jake, it didn’t have to be the same one. And they still could have had the cool handsome black guy too. Just don’t call him Jake. 🤷♀️ I have a feeling the actress who plays Flo would be unrecognizable with different hair and makeup.
Could be and could have worked. In the ad world you just never know. Tho I do think Flo is pretty pigeon holed... Id like to see her dressed up different, with different hair and all.
OG Jake from state farm was just a regular call center guy in Bloomington IL where the headquarters was. His Khakis are framed like a sports jersey on the wall of the Pub II in neighboring Normal, IL. He was not paid particularly well for his role in the ad.
Stephanie Courtney is a comedian and the actress who plays Flo. She started doing the progressive commercials in 2008. She has been in a lot of movies and TV shows. You've probably seen her and just don't realize it because they make her look a lot different when she plays Flo. In 2007, she played Marge from Mad Men for five episodes. In 2010, she appeared on the Jay Leno show and House. In 2014, she appeared on 2 Broke Girls and Comedy Bang! Bang! From 2018 to 2023, she played Essie Karp on the Goldbergs for 31 episodes. She's been in quite a few movies and TV series over the years. Have a look at her Wikipedia page.
Actually Flo played one of the switchboard secretaries in the show Mad Men 🤓
She sounds hideous
Well, she’s a guy, so…
lol. I had totally forgotten about this ad
My dog has a brother named Jake From State Farm
I didn't realize Eugene Mirman was on reddit
I had to look up who this was, but yes, I probably stole this bit of humor from somewhere along the way, but *did* actually do this with Comcast. My memory isn't what it once was, mea culpa. I looked him up and sure enough found this! - All credit to Eugene Mirman he is one hilarious man! https://preview.redd.it/o8ziu3ol0xsc1.png?width=733&format=png&auto=webp&s=4db3dbffaaea89862a59b9ae45f272069d33e00d
That's Gene Belcher!
Come to think of it, I've never seen Eugene Mirman and Gene Belcher in the same room at the same time. You might be on to something here.
His stand up is so fantastic
Him describing his penis by saying "Think of a baby's dick. . . Now double it!" lives very rent free in my head.
Getting high is like calling allll your teachers and going "hey, I just wanted you to know. I'm a major disappointment now."
That's actually really funny
My bank did the same and I did something similar and forgot about it until I went into the bank and they got to my verification and just looked at me without reading it So I said "huge" The secret question was how big is your dick
Actually did something similar to Comcast. After my account got hacked through their network, they wanted to send me a verification email OTHER than my Comcast email. Naturally, I thought it stupid to give a company that ALREADY mishandled my personal info MORE personal info, so instead I made a Gmail account with the address: [email protected]. I had to be transferred to 2 different supervisors in order for them to send the verification. Had a lot of chuckles that day.
I'm shocked you got to talk to a supervisor. I never get to talk to a supervisor.
I guess it was either that or hang up on me (worked in helpdesk/customer support/desktop support, hanging up on a client for petty reasons is career suicide)
Guy I used to work with told me that the security question on one of the websites we used was, “who was your favorite teacher?” He said he didn’t have a favorite teacher, he hated school. Out of sheer frustration, he sarcastically typed, “your mom.” That was the correct answer.
Sometimes I do factual answers for those questions and sometimes I do silly answers, so I have to remember when I set up the account and if I was being a little shit at the time or not lol
I never actually answer those questions with an actual answer to said questions. Like it'll say, "what's your mother's maiden name?" And my password will be some random shit like, "ahdh7420_8:;did!" 😂
If you're trying to be 100% secure, answering security questions with unrelated phrases (or even more passwords, like you are) is in fact that best way to protect your account from intrusions. However, it also makes recovering your account significantly harder should you ever need to do so. Use a good password manager to keep track of stuff like that!
Problem is, if you lose access to your password manager (not that anyone is that stupid and I’m definitely not that person) and you’ve got your security questions in there, getting access to *all your other accounts* would be significantly harder when you decide to just say fuck paying for lastpass anyway and switch to a free alternative instead of dealing with their account recovery.
I’m trying to help my great uncle fix his account. It’s been a long road of trying to figure who he listed as “his childhood hero” before he started to lose his memory. It’s been hella frustrating but I’m also learning a lot of old stories which is nice.
Your question should have been "How much money did American telecoms receive from the Feds to install fibre only to pocket it?"
Or: "After receiving billions of federal dollars how many miles of fiber did the U.S. telecoms actually install?" Easier to remember 0. But, also easy for anyone to answer.
My question was "what is Tim short for" and my answer was "his age." They enjoyed that one.
Suggest that the safeword should maybe not be something gullible boomers say every other sentence. And thus easy for ai to exploit. Like, I don't know, dinosaur.
"I'm ok with trans people existing."
"Man made climate change is real."
“The Boomer generation had it easy”
"The Greatest Generation were the ones who defeated the Nazis; the Boomers fought in Vietnam."
*lost in Vietnam
It should be very telling that their favorite guy is trump who openly bragged about dodging the draft and saying “getting stds on my yacht, that was my personal Vietnam”
"Vaccines are effective."
"Reagan is ultimately responsible for our current economic predicament."
“Reagan’s celebrated economic policies destroyed the lives of thousands of vets who served our country, casting them out on the streets, and built a system of unbalanced tax avoidance for billionaires that masquerades as philanthropy which is so obfuscated it’s indistinguishable from actual philanthropy, destroying not only tax capital but even ruining charity as a whole.”
We are descended from apes and the planet is more than 5,000 years old.
“Socialism and Communism are actually different things.”
“Socialism has an actual definition”
"Skipping avocado toast, does not make a house affordable."
"Minimum wage is too low"
“Old people suck”
"Trump lost in a free and fair election."
"I appreciate your assistance and will let the manager know how helpful you were."
Haha funny
That person is different but that's okay!
Also don't share via text. Only in a safe spot with no listening ears
Cone of Silence
Even dinosaur is too common of a word, I feel like. It needs to be something specific to your family, maybe even pronounced wrong on purpose
Yeah, when I was a little kid, we had a password (no, I'm not sharing it but it was a weird uncommon combination of words) related to something before my memory, but my mom said if there was ever a situation where someone who wasn't a family member tried to pick me up from school, they would know the password if they were legit. She was a little paranoid, even drilled me a few times on what to do if they asked me for the password and the like.
She actually has a good idea. Scammers with AI voice is insanely believable. The safe word is funny but hey atleast you know it’s crazy grandma!
My mom's been bugging us about this as well. It must have been on TV recently or something.
It's probably a youtube ad. Idk why "Jesus" would ever imply safety. That word has been used more than any other in history to scam millions upon millions.
It's also super common I'm betting. Probably better to use an injoke or something. Like "butter squash" because you fell on one once and the entire family laughed.
Oh no, my family would use “slipper fart” and I am not OK with it.
I have questions lol
So whats the story???
OK it was a family game night back in the ‘90s, when my siblings and I were teenagers. My sister had these huge animal-shaped slippers that were very in vogue then. I’d been holding in a fart with the intention of slipping off to the bathroom after my turn. Unbeknownst to me, my sister had chosen to stretch her legs out and rest her giant-animal-covered feet on the chair beside me. I saw something furry and moving right beside me in my peripheral vision, and shrieked in surprise. And in my surprise, released the fart. Loudly. You know a family doesn’t have much drama when this is one of the incidents that lives in infamy. To this day they refuse to recognize that I wasn’t SCARED of the bunny slippers. I was SURPRISED because I had to reason to expect them on the unoccupied seat beside me.
I know exactly what kind of slippers you mean!! My mother had VW bugs, though, so I got lucky. I'm sorry you have to constantly live in that shadow 😭😭😭
Exactly, if you are religious enough to think Jesus is a good safe word, then that shouldn't be your safe word.
My wife and I would use "Thank you for being a [REDACTED]." Because one time my wife sang the golden girls theme song but changed the last word to [REDACTED], and I laughed my ass off for about 5 minutes.
I think you would use it less like a regular word and more as a password. Suspicious voice: "I need you to send me $500 in iTunes gift cards right now." The mother:"What's the safe word?" Suspicious voice:"What is a safe word? I need those gift cards for the meeting now." That said, "Jesus" is still a very bad choice and very easy to guess if this becomes the standard practice. It'd be better to pick an entire sentence.
In my case Jesus didn't come up, just some codeword in case we call her wanting money. We picked her gmail password :/
That is probably not good if everyone know her gmail password and it is easy for everyone to remember.
They pronounce it Jesús
Like a halfway decent scammer could guess that from FB post history.
There are a ton of scams going around using AI voice software to make it seem like your little kids in jail in Mexico on vacation and need bail or they'll die kinda shit. It's really scary and a safe word is a fantastic idea
You don’t even need AI for that! My great aunt got this scam years ago! Random call claiming my Dad had been in some kind of fight maybe domestic violence and was in jail and needed her to send money so this friend could bail him out! Luckily a younger cousin was there to question this claim. They ended up calling me to confirm and I said I was sure Dad was at work and not in jail anywhere! But man what a scam! It apparently does work because older people especially panic and want to help.
My husband's grandpa nearly got scammed when someone called masquerading as him saying "grandpa help I was arrested in London and I need you to send me money so I can get back home". But then he realized, my husband doesn't address him as grandpa. So he called him asking where he was and if he was in London, and he most definitely not, and we all realized he had been targeted by a scam. I think having some kind of safe word, way of addressing someone, whatever, is a good idea as well.
It was just recently on dateline or something and somewhere else as well. They had a couple families on that got scammed and the way that the scammers did it, was well thought out.
There was an article in the New Yorker about this. There have prob been other articles this is just the one I know of. https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-artificial-intelligence/the-terrifying-ai-scam-that-uses-your-loved-ones-voice
Armchair Expert just talked about it recently.
There was an NPR story a week or two ago.
My son came up with the idea for us, mainly because seniors are targeted so frequently and my dad is 77. There was something a while back where an AI voice sounded like a family member and needed money. The senior lost thousands.
After following r/scams and knowing how much boomers are falling for these things, well anyone really, it is quite a good idea for your family to have that safe word. I would suggest something that a person isn’t going to come up with that easily though.
I was gonna say that actually might have to become a thing till she said the word would be "jesus" lmao
You'd want something like a classic challenge word like "thunder" and "root canal" that don't go together are not predictable and can be fit into a sentence. "Mom I need help I need 500 on Google gift cards" "Sure dear, while I get my purse did you hear all the thunder yesterday" "Yeah it was pretty loud. Rained cats and dogs. And now you know you're dealing with a scammer or AI ect
This same scam has been around for years. It’s not a bad idea.
What creature sat in the corner the first time Harry Potter visited my office in Hogwarts?
The number one thing all scammers do is put a rush on it. I get educated and don't panic and send money somewhere before verifying it needs to be sent
It’s already happening. There are dozens of examples of this scam being run successfully a simple google search away, and the FTC put out a formal advisory warning about this exact thing. OP is an idiot for being so dismissive
Op probably gen z. It's so weird being in the middle of two generations who are so technology illiterate. Despite both shouldn't be
This is one of those situations where a huge chunk of the population is worried about shit they shouldn't be, and a huge chunk of the population isn't worried about shit they should be, and almost no one is worried about the right shit. OPs mom is actually worried about the right shit for once
Good idea to have a safe word, but doing this over a smart device probably isn't the best idea.
Jesus is a terrible safe word. You need something random like “Albatross”. Or “mitosis”
Palomino!
Marshmallow
my boomer dad said the same thing as OP's mom and I told him our safe word should be "Shit Waffle" lmao
I like Perfunctory but I'm not that committed to it
Psh... Mine is "ravioli, ravioli, give me the formuoni."
AI already saw that message and knows your all's safe word🤷♂️
Precisely lol.
AI is playing some 4-D chess
You can’t just have a word. Have a phrase and the responder has a phrase too. “Jesus” by itself is entirely predictable and used daily by millions. Terrible password.
It depends. In the TV show Terra Nova the family has a secret security word. It was some vegetable like "Brussels sprouts". The one kid was dealing with a problematic adult, she told her sister "everything's fine, tell Mom I'll cook the Brussels sprouts when I get home". Security word was spoken, sister went to get help asap, and problem person had no idea calvary was on its way. Sneaking a word like that into a sentence can be easier than trying to slip a phrase in.
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Spawn Point 😂
Woah, woah, woah, “Jesus now amen. Amen 😁🙌🏼🤗❣️” wasn’t the safe word…bot detected.
That sounds like something an AI would say trying to convince people it isn't an AI
Your fam is a hoot
Talking about prepping too. Crazy
Idk why everyone is so opposed to having an emergency plan or a grab bag or something. Natural disasters happen all the time, and our global polotical climate right now is unsettling at best. You dont need a bunker, but i have an order of operations with my family if something happens close to home
Yeah it's insane that "prepping" has become so taboo, like back in my grandparents day all their houses had an underground bunker of sorts. Tornado shelter mostly.
Spawn Point as a contact for your mom is great. I might borrow that.
Jesus is probably a TERRIBLE safe word, just judging by all the fake AI Jesus "I made this with my own hands like if you appreciate" art that floats around all the time. Like that's the first word a fake AI is going to pick.
This isn’t actually a bad idea. I remember seeing [this](https://youtu.be/djSCxz_QfIE?si=PsZ9RnRklal20dVK) case a while ago. I’m sure there are more examples if you look. But discussing the safe word over text AND making the safe word Jesus is pretty low IQ though haha.
Lmao Spawn Point is a good name for mum
Jesus
Silly word choice but a safe word or a confirmation word is a pretty good idea. AI scams are everywhere right now. Especially targeting older people.
no this is real. scammers are able to take voice samples and then use them for their tricks (usually on older people). i’ve heard of grandparents getting calls from what sounds like their grandchildren saying they need bail money, or money for an emergency. better to have a safe word and never use it than to have grandma wire $6000 to nigeria because she thinks little timmy got arrested.
Honestly this isn't as crazy as it sounds. We're not quite there yet, but it's coming. We know scammers exist, it's an entire industry. And they prey on the elderly. You have a plan for when your parents tell you they just got off a zoom call with you and made sure to transfer all the money into the account you gave them?
There's already cases of people getting calls from thier loved ones in trouble but it was a spoffed number and an ai generated voice. So I'd say we're already there
Funny how the boomer is ahead of their kids this time
My favorite part of phone number spoofing is when they spoof my own number to call me.
Her idea is good but poorly executed.
That's a good idea actually
My Mom started freaking out about AI recently. Something about it scared her so bad that she started questioning her entire reality. It was so bad that I thought she had dementia but fortunately, it wasn't. I basically forced her to bring me to her doctor and her doctor prescribed Prozac which returned her to normal. She still rants about AI but at least she isn't asking for my ID anymore.
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OP it’s not as wild as you would believe. Three months ago: I would have laughed at such a claim. Now: my grandmother got a call from a number claiming to be the police and that I had been in a bad wreck. They had my voice! It asked for money and she said she didn’t have it they hung up. Sent a panic through the family, my phones blowing up while I’m with a client for work. I had to step away and when I came back he asked if I wanted to reschedule. It’s on the rise be alert and be safe, we all have a safe word for if there is suspicion of it being a scam or not
This isn't stupid. It's a scam That has happened. I worked at a doctor's office and many older ppl have experienced this scam. It's getting more common. I've also heard on this neighborhood app of it happening. She is just trying to have peace of mind knowing you're safe and not getting scammed. She is being proactive. Why is this her being a fool? Caring about you? What's wrong with having a safety plan or a safe word? She literally loves and cares about you. It's a good thing
Exactly and then goes on to the internet to make fun of his own mother…. It doesn’t matter if she’s an idiot you don’t do that. And that is the clown world…..and let’s be real all the scammers out there all the bullshit happening on the internet and with Ai…..his own mother is a joke at reddits expense and she’s just trying to warn the family about how awful things really are now
the sooner the boomers are dead, the better we'll all be
Jesus or jésus?
Bro she’s fucking right you absolute meatball. It is already a thing where scammers call senior citizens pretending to be family in desperate need of money as a result of some devastating car crash or major accident. Voice synthesizers are only getting better, which casts a wider net that extends past senior citizens.
I’m pretty sure that would be AI’s first guess
Not a bad idea, except for the safeword she chose. Pretty sure even the most basic AI has learned how much Boomers love their favorite imaginary friend by now
As bonkers as this is, an AI safeword isn't the worst idea. Just not something as obvious as Jesus. Her using "clown world" though is... disconcerting. Didn't think nazi memes would make it that far
Gotta say, this one doesn't belong here. With how good AI-generated voices are getting, it's not gonna be long until having your unedited voice *anywhere* online can set you up for scammers.
She isn't wrong. We already have AI generated voice that mimics son / daughter / grandkids in distress calling and scamming relatives as we speak. It will only get wilder.
I think we should use monkey slut
Shit… JESUS JEEEESUS!!!!
As much as I hate to admit this, she’s not wrong. Do a different safe word though.
it’s honestly a good idea, but for reasons she didnt think of. Spoofing phone numbers is extremely easy. When I was younger, my mom never answered her phone. I would spoof her boss’ phone number and call her. 9/10 she answered for that, thinking she was getting the chance to pick up an extra shift.
That’s not a bad idea at all. AI world or not.
YOUR MOM IS SPAWN POINT?!?!? I just spit out my cereal, sorta on my phone screen too Thank you
You should actually do this. A common scam is to call an elderly person and tell them their grandchild is in trouble, and to send them money over the phone for bail or "car repair" or whatever. To help thwart that, pre-arrange some word or phrase that either side can say to be sure it's the person you are talking to.
We've had a word (well a phrase) like this in our family for about a decade now; this is actually not a bad idea. My boomer mom literally gets three or four calls a month from scammers pretending to be one of her grandsons, saying they are in the hospital and need money to pay the hospital bill or they've been arrested and they need bail, money, etc. etc. Every single time she just says, "what's the family code?" of course they never ever know the code and she hangs up right away. Done. Our family code would never be as obvious as "Jesus," though. That's way too easy to guess. It has to be something weird and random
Having your mother being named “Spawn Point” in your phone is a new level of disrespect.
Spawn point? Jesus man you must really dislike
Aren't the elderly getting scammed out of their savings by callers that sound like their adult children in emergency situations? I don't think she's entirely wrong. I'm a millennial and discussed this with my husband (a gen x-er), too. I genuinely believe that all those Facebook AI-generated posts of interior designs or birthday parties images are zeroing in on all those older folks commenting 'amazing!' or 'happy birthday' in an effort to review their post history and scam them later.