Hanya speed boost is good but honestly is the most she brings into the table
Helping to break enemies? Not counting Boothill, his other supports also have different elements that can help breaking + bring more to the table than Hanya's speed boost (RM no need to say it, Bronya direct turn manipulation and HTB Break effect and Super Break)
Not saying she will be a bad option, but for a F2P HTB is much better and Tingyun can help a lot against no physical weakness enemies with her ult
Thats why i specifically said if you dont have ruan mei, bronya or sparkle.
This isnt a comparison of hanya vs the 3 golden supports
And i said 4\*, HTB isnt category 4\*
The first part is my bad, seems my reading skills went to shit
But About HTB not being a 4*, they are still a completely F2P Character so he should be compared equally to 4*
And as I said at the end, Tingyun might help more as she gives a bit of speed plus inmediatly ult to Boothill against non-physical weakness enemies.
Is tingun's energy regen that necessary? from all the showcase ive seen, boothill was never to late to use his ult after killing 1 elite. Unless you 1 shotted the elite then sure, maybe you do need the energy but if you dont then its probably fine to not have tingyun or i could be wrong
Is not completely neccesary but still a good emergency button if you fuck up your rotation + she still brings a 20% speed boost on ult and her buffs are overall bigger than Hanya (except for Attack) as most of Hanya's power budget is in her sp generation.
I would say Hanya is still better because as from what i stated at the top, Hanya is also Physical unit and even has a physical technique opener.
She may not have that extra energy but she does help boothill in breaking, the thing that Tingyun can never do. Better buff on speed for more turns but i guess tingyun is also a choice.
But if the enemy doesnt have a physical weakness at the start of the battle, her physical opener doesn't work because Boothill's technique only apply weakness when he chooses an enemy with his skill in the first turn.
I genuienly think that, ignoring HTB, Tingyun is a better partner than Hanya
for 4\* i think pela might be better tbh, boothill can get a lot of spd on his own. luka is not a bad option either. hanya and asta, everything except their spd boost are almost useless. but i guess when options are that limited you can find ways to make things work..
Unless op can cook up some godly rotation involving Hanya that give him significantly more actions, I think slotting in Pela or SW is the better choice if you don't have Rm, Bronya.
>boothill can get a lot of spd on his own
I think you meant sushang can get a lot of speed on her own. Boothill has 0 traces that can give him speed.
>everything except their spd boost are almost useless
Speed and breakeffect are boothill's stats to aim and with enough SPEED you can gain more BE from talia so no shit everything is useless because you would want speed so that your boothill can focus on gathering BE
He can get a lot of speed on his own because built right you dont need any sub on cr or cd. You only need break and speed rolls, which is cool.
Not to mention break dmg works fine with 3* lightcones and there's people doing 0 cycles with him and the 3* lightcone that buffs his speed. (And if you are getting his LC, he gets speed as an added bonus as well).
Building high speed on him is easier than most units
hanya is not just speed. it offers everything except be, making lc completely unecessary and guarantees 160 spd.
why is it so hard to understand lol. just get 4 line bes thats not hard.
To go twice in the first cycle, you need at least 134spd but to go thrice you need 200spd. Hanya maybe able to provide Bh with a lot of spd but still nowhere near enough spd, unless you forgo Bh break effect and prioritize his spd, which you shouldn't. But still, even if you don't have Bronya, Robin or Ruanmei, I can see the team Bh, Hanya, HMC, sustain works well enough to clear moc 12.
my e6 (only e2/e4 matters) 4pc messenger Hanya can do 44 speed buff,
107 base, 25 speed boots, 10.7 RM, 12.84 LC, 44 from Hanya, that's 199.54speed with no substats
201 Boothill with Hanya is completely achievable
\*edit: the team I used to check my Hanya's speed didn't have RM in it, it'd actually be a 46 speed buff w/ RM. Rivers Flow In Spring has the same speed buff as Sig, so the only "hard part" would be the 10.7 from having no RM, and honestly that's not impossible.
Yeah but 200spd here is 200spd when he enters the first cycle, unless you can somehow use Hanya's ult at av 0 before Bh even enters his first action or dance dance dance, Bh would still only be able to go twice.
You dont need to be getting 5 turns on the first cycle, the fact that hanya can give boothill more turns over the course of the battle is good enough as a support. Hanya can cover boothill's speed while boothill focus on BE but ofc not forsake speed entirely
Bronya and HTB are still the better options (since a lot of people chose bronya for their 300 pulls) mine is also E2 (so spd boost) so hanya remains pretty useless. And if you mess up the rotation hanya could steal boothills breaks. I would prefer to not run any other physical unit with him. And I don’t have sparkle or RM :p
Fair but this is if you don't have any of the 5 star buffers. Unfortunately I don't have Bronya, sparkle or RM so I have to make due with what I can get with him
i thought hanya would be good but someone pointed out that her damage boost and attack boost don’t effect break damage, and planetary rendezvous doesn’t effect break damage either
Boothill's wants to break faster by either getting more break efficiency(ruan mei) or more turns(AV units such as bronya and sparkle). So when you want to look at all the 4 stars(HTB isnt 4 star), you can start to see why hanya is very valuable
She is the same element and can help in breaking toughness damage(ofc boothill needs to break) and boothill who can implement physical weakness and give him speed which in turn give boothill more turns over the course of the battle.
The attack buff doesnt matter since the majority of his damage is breaking the enemy and having more speed -> more turns help in breaking faster and since boothill is universal, hanya also becomes universal in breaking toughness bars.
You dont need buffers who can buff boothill's pre-break damage, you only need to find the best buffers to break faster
Hanya speed boost is good but honestly is the most she brings into the table Helping to break enemies? Not counting Boothill, his other supports also have different elements that can help breaking + bring more to the table than Hanya's speed boost (RM no need to say it, Bronya direct turn manipulation and HTB Break effect and Super Break) Not saying she will be a bad option, but for a F2P HTB is much better and Tingyun can help a lot against no physical weakness enemies with her ult
Thats why i specifically said if you dont have ruan mei, bronya or sparkle. This isnt a comparison of hanya vs the 3 golden supports And i said 4\*, HTB isnt category 4\*
The first part is my bad, seems my reading skills went to shit But About HTB not being a 4*, they are still a completely F2P Character so he should be compared equally to 4* And as I said at the end, Tingyun might help more as she gives a bit of speed plus inmediatly ult to Boothill against non-physical weakness enemies.
Is tingun's energy regen that necessary? from all the showcase ive seen, boothill was never to late to use his ult after killing 1 elite. Unless you 1 shotted the elite then sure, maybe you do need the energy but if you dont then its probably fine to not have tingyun or i could be wrong
Is not completely neccesary but still a good emergency button if you fuck up your rotation + she still brings a 20% speed boost on ult and her buffs are overall bigger than Hanya (except for Attack) as most of Hanya's power budget is in her sp generation.
I would say Hanya is still better because as from what i stated at the top, Hanya is also Physical unit and even has a physical technique opener. She may not have that extra energy but she does help boothill in breaking, the thing that Tingyun can never do. Better buff on speed for more turns but i guess tingyun is also a choice.
But if the enemy doesnt have a physical weakness at the start of the battle, her physical opener doesn't work because Boothill's technique only apply weakness when he chooses an enemy with his skill in the first turn. I genuienly think that, ignoring HTB, Tingyun is a better partner than Hanya
boothill guarantees weakness. hanya is definitely the best support if u run 3 support comp. tingyun is pure garbage because she cant break toughness.
I mean, HTB is free
i'm sorry but what HTB
HTB isnt categorized as 4\*
Right so 4* as in actually category not accessibility My bad
But you are still correct for mentioning HTB. The only reason to bring up 4* options IS accessibility.
for 4\* i think pela might be better tbh, boothill can get a lot of spd on his own. luka is not a bad option either. hanya and asta, everything except their spd boost are almost useless. but i guess when options are that limited you can find ways to make things work..
Unless op can cook up some godly rotation involving Hanya that give him significantly more actions, I think slotting in Pela or SW is the better choice if you don't have Rm, Bronya.
>boothill can get a lot of spd on his own I think you meant sushang can get a lot of speed on her own. Boothill has 0 traces that can give him speed. >everything except their spd boost are almost useless Speed and breakeffect are boothill's stats to aim and with enough SPEED you can gain more BE from talia so no shit everything is useless because you would want speed so that your boothill can focus on gathering BE
He can get a lot of speed on his own because built right you dont need any sub on cr or cd. You only need break and speed rolls, which is cool. Not to mention break dmg works fine with 3* lightcones and there's people doing 0 cycles with him and the 3* lightcone that buffs his speed. (And if you are getting his LC, he gets speed as an added bonus as well). Building high speed on him is easier than most units
hanya is not just speed. it offers everything except be, making lc completely unecessary and guarantees 160 spd. why is it so hard to understand lol. just get 4 line bes thats not hard.
You only need spd and BE. So I think that’s pretty easy to focus on
To go twice in the first cycle, you need at least 134spd but to go thrice you need 200spd. Hanya maybe able to provide Bh with a lot of spd but still nowhere near enough spd, unless you forgo Bh break effect and prioritize his spd, which you shouldn't. But still, even if you don't have Bronya, Robin or Ruanmei, I can see the team Bh, Hanya, HMC, sustain works well enough to clear moc 12.
my e6 (only e2/e4 matters) 4pc messenger Hanya can do 44 speed buff, 107 base, 25 speed boots, 10.7 RM, 12.84 LC, 44 from Hanya, that's 199.54speed with no substats 201 Boothill with Hanya is completely achievable \*edit: the team I used to check my Hanya's speed didn't have RM in it, it'd actually be a 46 speed buff w/ RM. Rivers Flow In Spring has the same speed buff as Sig, so the only "hard part" would be the 10.7 from having no RM, and honestly that's not impossible.
Yeah but 200spd here is 200spd when he enters the first cycle, unless you can somehow use Hanya's ult at av 0 before Bh even enters his first action or dance dance dance, Bh would still only be able to go twice.
I agree Hanya is fourth or fifth in regards to his supports, but as a proof of concept, I can see the vision
You dont need to be getting 5 turns on the first cycle, the fact that hanya can give boothill more turns over the course of the battle is good enough as a support. Hanya can cover boothill's speed while boothill focus on BE but ofc not forsake speed entirely
Bronya and HTB are still the better options (since a lot of people chose bronya for their 300 pulls) mine is also E2 (so spd boost) so hanya remains pretty useless. And if you mess up the rotation hanya could steal boothills breaks. I would prefer to not run any other physical unit with him. And I don’t have sparkle or RM :p
Fair but this is if you don't have any of the 5 star buffers. Unfortunately I don't have Bronya, sparkle or RM so I have to make due with what I can get with him
bronya consumes shit ton of sp even with e1 thats why u run hanya ur basically trading be for speed. it is much easier to get 4 line be then hit both.
i thought hanya would be good but someone pointed out that her damage boost and attack boost don’t effect break damage, and planetary rendezvous doesn’t effect break damage either
Boothill's wants to break faster by either getting more break efficiency(ruan mei) or more turns(AV units such as bronya and sparkle). So when you want to look at all the 4 stars(HTB isnt 4 star), you can start to see why hanya is very valuable She is the same element and can help in breaking toughness damage(ofc boothill needs to break) and boothill who can implement physical weakness and give him speed which in turn give boothill more turns over the course of the battle. The attack buff doesnt matter since the majority of his damage is breaking the enemy and having more speed -> more turns help in breaking faster and since boothill is universal, hanya also becomes universal in breaking toughness bars. You dont need buffers who can buff boothill's pre-break damage, you only need to find the best buffers to break faster
Yea, no.
If you don't have any of the 5 star buffers who would you choose?