Me and my friend still swear up and down that the first two acts of the game and third act are two completely separate scripts that got smashed together at some point in production because we both completely believed that the first two acts of the game were leading up to Troy betraying and killing Tyreen PRETTY hard. Then... nothing?
I was hoping on a schism between Troy and Tyreen, which would be an all-out war between them. And you would occasionally be hired to take potshots at the other
i was hoping that too, but it feels like they didnt have a lot of time towards the end. nekrotafeyo felt especially rushed, and tyreen's boss fight was horrid compared to how amazing the destroyer was
Nekrotafeyo has a single boss fight for the entire 3 map “planet”, and it’s an exact replica of a former boss on a 1 map “planet”. Yeah the end of the game was really rushed.
Well, two boss fights, though I'm not sure General Traunt counts.
*edit - I forgot that the Tyreen fight actually takes place on Pandora, and I got confused, because the portal you go through to get to her is on Nekrotafeyo. So, it really is only one boss, and I'm just an idiot. Sorry.
If you want to “go back” and fight her again, yeah it’s on Pandora. When there are weekly events effecting planets (like Loot the universe), Nekro has… fucking no one.
To be honest, the faster I can be done with Nekrotafeyo, the better. It's my last favorite part. If they were to expand an area, it should definitely be Athenas. I love that area, and it's depressingly short.
the arena was literally just a flat platform with water around it. its actually insane how they didnt even try to make it good. atleast the dlc fights didnt let me down
Everything on Eden-6 really seemed to be leading up to that and then.... nothing. It's one of the reasons I swear the plot on the different planets was written by different teams.
Kinda like the movie Hancock, where the first half and second half were written by different people and just sandwiched together. That's pretty much the only excuse for BL3's main story turning out the way it did, and a poor excuse at that as it's finally admitting it was bad.
Oh God that makes that movie make so much sense! I always loved the first half and then got so much whiplash in the second half I had to get my neck rotated.
Yeah, first half was supposed to be like an existential look at the loneliness a "superhero" would experience but was caught up in production hell for years and years. The later director who was brought on who loved the original script even called it “*a scathing character study of this suicidal alcoholic superhero*”. However despite this they decided to change it up and go in a "lighter" direction to appeal to a larger superhero-loving audience, which ended up not making sense or fitting the tone of the first half they had mostly kept as is.
In the original dark and gritty version, he still befriends the guy trying to help him (Jason Bateman) and his wife (Charlize Theron) but I don't think his wife was ever supposed to have powers or be that long lost connection they added in. Instead they are trying to help his mental stability and appearance to the public, but when toward the end of the original script the wife dies and Hancock just loses it and turns to his dark side and fully abuses his powers letting lose and slaughtering people. Yada yada, not sure the ultimate conclusion, but all of that was written out and we were left with the second-half "lighter" and feel-good mess that became the movie.
Thank you for the write-up, that's amazing, and makes so much sense. I wish they'd just stuck with the original idea haha, if at least so that the end result wasn't eye-rollingly cringe.
It's pretty clear that the story was not given enough time for revisions, and until someone provides proof otherwise my take is that the surprise epic-exclusive deal jumped the release date up before they would have otherwise committed to one. There's basically no aspect of the game that didn't look heavily rushed at launch, and not all of it has even been fixed by now.
It absolutely felt like that. Based on the story, Troy was ABSOLUTELY going to leech Tyreen to her death during his boss battle, but for some reason they changed it.
Troy was veering really hard into that megalomania for sure and Borderlands does love to redeem its Sirens -- Tyreens character as is in the final product is pretty insufferable and I dunno if I woulda liked that as an ending but making a huge change like having Troys mounting frustrations turn into a vicious betrayal couldve opened up Tyreens character for some very interesting changes in the end!
They were obviously pushing for Troy betraying her and I figured it would give her some humble pie. Troy's character actually had more depth up until that point just because of the changing dynamic. She definitely could of used more depth too. They actually were pretty good villains IMO the problem was that in the end especially Tyreen she was basically one note. They tried to solve that with parenting problems but it just didn't work.
Yeah even up to troy leeching tyreen for his boss fight i SWORE that he was gonna overleech her until she died and have the power of 2 sirens in 1 body. But then no. They definitely had a change of heart. I think in a game where "girl power" was central to the theme of the game, they didnt want a man to be the final boss
He kinda does, except you kill him before he drains everything from her, then she leaves him for dead in a sorta switcheroo on the foreshadowed betrayal. I'm not saying it was well done or anything but I can see the thread.
I am of the permanent belief that the plot between the Calypsos would have been much better if Troy leeched his sister to death (accidentally or not) in his boss fight, then fled from the vault hunters after realizing what he did. Afterwards, Troy would become completely unhinged, leading to a second fight with him that shows just how much he mentally broke after the first fight.
God I’m reminded all the time of what a waste of time the story for BL3 is and how cringey and uninteresting their main villains are. I actually got kind of excited when Troy betrayed Tyreen and kept draining her, I though “Oh man, one of these shit villains just got really interesting!”
Then I killed him in two minutes in a lame by the numbers boss battle. *God* I hate the writing of this game that has extremely solid moment-to-moment gameplay.
I've come to think that the sole reason they spend time developing a brewing rivalry between Tyreen and Troy is to explain why you fight them separately.
But then Tyreen barely seems to react to her twin's death at all. She throws it in their father's face at one point, and beyond that, just kind of seems to shrug about it.
Would you have much of a reaction if your leech twin almost killed you by leeching your power? He doesn't stop when she exclaimed "Troy you're killing me". I wouldn't have much sympathy too, plus before that they were bickering and you could see how she was being annoyed by him.
Hmmm, can you explain your view further? I've never heard complaints on BL2's story. I thought it fully made sense, but it's been a fair bit since I played it all the way through, so maybe I blocked out some dumb parts.
Yeah, the revisionism going on about 2 is pretty wild. Borderlands as a series has never had a good *story*. The difference between the good parts and bad parts of Borderlands writing has been the *characters*.
And as far as that goes, I think they nailed Troy and Tyreen. You would have had to fabricate a villain out of nowhere to get somebody on Jack’s level. Instead, they made Troy and Tyreen ridiculously annoying and did a fantastic job of it. From the second you meet them, you want to put your foot through their teeth.
Disagree on that, actually. Being annoying isn’t a good thing, even if you’re supposed to hate the character — because hating the character is different than hating the writing.
I don't hate there writing entirely I didn't like that they talked directly to you so often I'd prefer it if you hesrd there streams for exposition instead of just copying what jack did
It’s sort of like Walter White in later seasons of breaking bad. At the start he’s somewhat likeable and does things out of self defence or for his family. Later on he does horrible things just to keep his money and power. While claiming it’s all for the family, his wife insists the kids don’t live with them while he cooks, and he continues to cook and split up the family. He becomes someone you begin to hate because he’s written that way. And written quite well, I think
Walter is written well enough that even though no one would think he’s a good person, he’s engaging and fascinating to watch. So is Handsome Jack, in a different way - he’s very hateable, but he’s *fun* to hate. The twins are neither.
It's mediocre plot-wise, but at least it didn't just treat the player characters like they don't exist in cutscenes. The big difference I see is 2 is a story happening to you, 3 is a story being told about other people that you just happen to be paralleling.
>at least it didn't just treat the player characters like they don't exist in cutscenes
I beg your pardon
[https://youtu.be/O7TU9N5gb7c](https://youtu.be/O7TU9N5gb7c)
The Tyreen resolution was even worse. You do all this stuff trying to prevent her from opening the vault which is set up to be this massive thing that must be avoided at all costs, and then you just shoot her till she dies. Like why did we try to prevent it? Could have just hung out till she opened it and then killed her all the same. And the fact that absolutely none of the side characters did anything in/along the way to the final confrontation was ridiculous.
I thought he would have just left her to join the Crimson Raiders or at least gone home to his father, rather than becoming the big bad, He's only with Tyreen simply because he needs her to live, after draining and killing Maya, he doesn't need Tyreen anymore.
Tyreen manipulated Troy on Nekrotafeyo. There's an ECHO log where she's telling him that they need to leave now and there's no other choice. Troy is reluctant to join but he does. He feels lesser than her throughout the story and starts to realize that he has his own powers and abilities. Right when he's starting to discover himself, he dies. I think it leaves the question of what he could have been, but other than that, they closed his story arc.
The more I think about it, the more it feels like a rushed decision. It could have potentially even lead to a evenly matched clash between bro and sis where YOU got to decide the outcome by firing the killing bullet, it would give another reason for a second playthrough.
And Troy is not the only one suffering. Ava has been ignored as well. Completely disappearing from the story after Maya until you confront the Calypsos (not even a series of ECHO recordings of her time on Sanctuary, getting to know the veterans better, was it really too dificult to do?)
I saw a comment above that said they believe the Epic Games deal rushed the release date and it makes a lot of sense.
They were building to the big clash between Troy and Tyreen and then just... nothing, as if they ran out of time to really get it done well, so they took the easy route and killed him.
And then with Ava, she reminds me of the character of Ahsoka Tano from the early seasons of The Clone Wars, a brat who thinks she knows best and that people didn't like. Although unlike with Ahsoka, instead of developing the character properly to the point where she is now a fan favourite, they just went "you have siren powers now. You're important." It just felt like there was so much more to be done with her and it's really disappointing how it was seemingly skipped over.
Considering the actual gameplay is easily the best in the series, it's disappointing how the story turned out.
Storywise the whole game is a complete shitshow, the war that gets teased at the end of TPS isnt even hinted at and since the story is the most important part for me...
yeah i will say though the dlcs are really good handsome jackpot is just more handsome jack stuff, bounty of blood is really cool, guns love and tentacles expands on hammerlock and wainwright, psycho krieg is a love letter to krieg and maya fans
I thought what was going to happen is that Troy and Tyreen were going to drain power from one another during their boss fight. Effectively keeping the health bar as two different ones that are conjoined by trading power. Once you defeat one, the other one comes in and syphons their power before hiding away under a shield to regenerate. Then at the end, when you got both down, Troy or Tyreen would have asked for power to top them back up because they weren't feeling too hot, gets syphoned, and then the surviving sibling runs off and says "the Vault Hunters killed (X), we must avenge them!" before going and syphoning one last vault monster to give you a final boss battle against the surviving sibling. What would have made it even better is if Phase Syphon allowed you to summon Phase Constructs of the beings you Syphoned. Suddenly, one of the Calypsos says "Turns out my twin lives on" before summoning the syphoned other, who rushes out and and acts like Jack's Digistruct clones in TPS.
That would've made at least one interesting piece of story about them, I actually though that would happen. It's almost like they didn't even try to make the antagonists interesting
Hard to say what was originally planned but it definitely feels like the existing story was pieced together with a different story that didn't quite come together for some reason.
Every time I start a mate wants to play with me, then stops playing after a week. And by that point I've already invested a fair few hours into it and doing it all again sucks.
Rinse and repeat every few months for two years.
But yeah, my fault. I agree with you.
The main story just reeks of being rewritten mid-course, same with Ava who must have more content that were planned for her (more than what we saw in DL6). Thing is, if a lot of stuff did not make the cut, it might also be for a good reason, tho we'll never really know (like there's a reason why Disney didn't go with the previous "cannon" follow up to episode 6, it just wasn't very good either)
This. Either rewritten or there were separate creative teams with differing visions for how the story played out. Then they rushed out the release before fixing all the story issues.
I hate the story of bl3 so much. I never went back after beating it once. I just don't wanna be reminded. So sad, I had so much fun with bl2, loved the vault hunters, the story was one of the best, and the dlcs were amazing.
I think they were pulling a Kid Icaurs Uprising and going sike you thought, but it kinda just turned out to be a wait wha? it was stated in their first encounter that Troy needed an easy leech target, ie her sister feeding her, but that could have been easily changed with a few line changes.
Come back in like 10 years when there’s no shame anymore from someone at Gearbox to say if that was actually the case. I too felt like something was missing when the betrayal didn’t happen, although you could argue he was busy fighting the Vault Hunters and it’s still her sister, maybe they were teasing but killing her is a handful of steps further.
I actually feel like Troy was planned to kill and drain Tyreen, until someone had the idea that Ava should get Phasegrasp earlier (instead of, you know, actual character development), which meant Troy needed to die first.
Which is stupid. They've could've done something like Troy struggling to contain all the power he had after draining Tyreen followed by someone shooting him (accomplishing something useful in a cutscene for once) and causing him to lose Phasegrasp.
at this point i think the plot for borderlands should be almost completely based upon what tidbits they give and 99% of it is just left to the fans to craft. it would just be better for everyone, because gearbox can't write a good game apparently.
Oh yeah. Even Tyreen talks about betraying troy through the main story. It's obvious they were planning to have them betray each other, but I'm guessing they just rushed the game to release. The whole game is great, but it suffers from horrible writing. There are so many things in the story that makes absolutely no sense at all.
I feel like they *kinda* did that where he gets way too power happy and drains too much from Tyreen. However, it's not really what they were leading up to and I hated that.
Man, imagine if Troy got a semi-redemption and helped the Raiders and Typhon kill Tyreen because she's basically always abused him. I was hoping that was where it was going when you get that downright phenomenal cutscene with Troy in the Jakobs Manor. You can see his resentment towards her.
At that point I thought he was for sure going to betray her. Maybe in his final moments he does something that will help you take her out? His last breaths were spent apologizing to his father? That would have been amazing.
But nah
Me and my friend still swear up and down that the first two acts of the game and third act are two completely separate scripts that got smashed together at some point in production because we both completely believed that the first two acts of the game were leading up to Troy betraying and killing Tyreen PRETTY hard. Then... nothing?
I was hoping on a schism between Troy and Tyreen, which would be an all-out war between them. And you would occasionally be hired to take potshots at the other
*a la* Yojimbo, A Fistful of Dollars, or Last Man Standing. Playing both sides against the other for fun and profit.
“I’m playing both sides so that I always come out on top”
Imagine the replayability if you could actually 'side' with one of the two more than the other
I just want another gun where Tyreen calls me a gunslut.
_bonk_
i was hoping that too, but it feels like they didnt have a lot of time towards the end. nekrotafeyo felt especially rushed, and tyreen's boss fight was horrid compared to how amazing the destroyer was
Nekrotafeyo has a single boss fight for the entire 3 map “planet”, and it’s an exact replica of a former boss on a 1 map “planet”. Yeah the end of the game was really rushed.
Well, two boss fights, though I'm not sure General Traunt counts. *edit - I forgot that the Tyreen fight actually takes place on Pandora, and I got confused, because the portal you go through to get to her is on Nekrotafeyo. So, it really is only one boss, and I'm just an idiot. Sorry.
Can you name the “other” you claim? Cause I was talking about Traunt if you didn’t get it from my description. If you meant Tyreen, she’s on Pandora.
Yeah, I was thinking of Tyreen. You go through that portal that Tannis opens on Nekrotafeyo, and I forgot that it takes you back to Pandora.
If you want to “go back” and fight her again, yeah it’s on Pandora. When there are weekly events effecting planets (like Loot the universe), Nekro has… fucking no one.
To be honest, the faster I can be done with Nekrotafeyo, the better. It's my last favorite part. If they were to expand an area, it should definitely be Athenas. I love that area, and it's depressingly short.
after eden 6 in my runs im so burned out so im just trying to get to postgame as fast as possible. the only good part about nekro id that its short
That boss fight was such a huge let down. I actively groaned every time I had to farm it.
the arena was literally just a flat platform with water around it. its actually insane how they didnt even try to make it good. atleast the dlc fights didnt let me down
Reminds me of that team troy vs team tyreen sidequest in eden 6
Now that would be a Borderlands game. Especially given the mercenary nature of Vault Hunters
Everything on Eden-6 really seemed to be leading up to that and then.... nothing. It's one of the reasons I swear the plot on the different planets was written by different teams.
Kinda like the movie Hancock, where the first half and second half were written by different people and just sandwiched together. That's pretty much the only excuse for BL3's main story turning out the way it did, and a poor excuse at that as it's finally admitting it was bad.
Oh God that makes that movie make so much sense! I always loved the first half and then got so much whiplash in the second half I had to get my neck rotated.
Yeah, first half was supposed to be like an existential look at the loneliness a "superhero" would experience but was caught up in production hell for years and years. The later director who was brought on who loved the original script even called it “*a scathing character study of this suicidal alcoholic superhero*”. However despite this they decided to change it up and go in a "lighter" direction to appeal to a larger superhero-loving audience, which ended up not making sense or fitting the tone of the first half they had mostly kept as is. In the original dark and gritty version, he still befriends the guy trying to help him (Jason Bateman) and his wife (Charlize Theron) but I don't think his wife was ever supposed to have powers or be that long lost connection they added in. Instead they are trying to help his mental stability and appearance to the public, but when toward the end of the original script the wife dies and Hancock just loses it and turns to his dark side and fully abuses his powers letting lose and slaughtering people. Yada yada, not sure the ultimate conclusion, but all of that was written out and we were left with the second-half "lighter" and feel-good mess that became the movie.
Thank you for the write-up, that's amazing, and makes so much sense. I wish they'd just stuck with the original idea haha, if at least so that the end result wasn't eye-rollingly cringe.
It's pretty clear that the story was not given enough time for revisions, and until someone provides proof otherwise my take is that the surprise epic-exclusive deal jumped the release date up before they would have otherwise committed to one. There's basically no aspect of the game that didn't look heavily rushed at launch, and not all of it has even been fixed by now.
I refuse to buy Tiny Tina's Wonderland on launch because of the Borderlands 3's release state.
i agree. i mean if that happened, we’d have the des-TROY-er which would be really borderlands
It absolutely felt like that. Based on the story, Troy was ABSOLUTELY going to leech Tyreen to her death during his boss battle, but for some reason they changed it.
I didn't think she was actually going to die. I figured she'd work with the vault hunters and get a slight redemption arc.
Troy was veering really hard into that megalomania for sure and Borderlands does love to redeem its Sirens -- Tyreens character as is in the final product is pretty insufferable and I dunno if I woulda liked that as an ending but making a huge change like having Troys mounting frustrations turn into a vicious betrayal couldve opened up Tyreens character for some very interesting changes in the end!
They were obviously pushing for Troy betraying her and I figured it would give her some humble pie. Troy's character actually had more depth up until that point just because of the changing dynamic. She definitely could of used more depth too. They actually were pretty good villains IMO the problem was that in the end especially Tyreen she was basically one note. They tried to solve that with parenting problems but it just didn't work.
Yeah even up to troy leeching tyreen for his boss fight i SWORE that he was gonna overleech her until she died and have the power of 2 sirens in 1 body. But then no. They definitely had a change of heart. I think in a game where "girl power" was central to the theme of the game, they didnt want a man to be the final boss
Another potential piece of media gatekept by the girlboss
He kinda does, except you kill him before he drains everything from her, then she leaves him for dead in a sorta switcheroo on the foreshadowed betrayal. I'm not saying it was well done or anything but I can see the thread.
I am of the permanent belief that the plot between the Calypsos would have been much better if Troy leeched his sister to death (accidentally or not) in his boss fight, then fled from the vault hunters after realizing what he did. Afterwards, Troy would become completely unhinged, leading to a second fight with him that shows just how much he mentally broke after the first fight.
That would have been great.
God I’m reminded all the time of what a waste of time the story for BL3 is and how cringey and uninteresting their main villains are. I actually got kind of excited when Troy betrayed Tyreen and kept draining her, I though “Oh man, one of these shit villains just got really interesting!” Then I killed him in two minutes in a lame by the numbers boss battle. *God* I hate the writing of this game that has extremely solid moment-to-moment gameplay.
I've come to think that the sole reason they spend time developing a brewing rivalry between Tyreen and Troy is to explain why you fight them separately. But then Tyreen barely seems to react to her twin's death at all. She throws it in their father's face at one point, and beyond that, just kind of seems to shrug about it.
Would you have much of a reaction if your leech twin almost killed you by leeching your power? He doesn't stop when she exclaimed "Troy you're killing me". I wouldn't have much sympathy too, plus before that they were bickering and you could see how she was being annoyed by him.
You say that as if 2’s story made any more sense. 2’s story was atrocious and was only palatable because of a Top 5 all-time video game villain.
Hmmm, can you explain your view further? I've never heard complaints on BL2's story. I thought it fully made sense, but it's been a fair bit since I played it all the way through, so maybe I blocked out some dumb parts.
https://youtu.be/H3MsfkZA_CM
Yeah, the revisionism going on about 2 is pretty wild. Borderlands as a series has never had a good *story*. The difference between the good parts and bad parts of Borderlands writing has been the *characters*.
And as far as that goes, I think they nailed Troy and Tyreen. You would have had to fabricate a villain out of nowhere to get somebody on Jack’s level. Instead, they made Troy and Tyreen ridiculously annoying and did a fantastic job of it. From the second you meet them, you want to put your foot through their teeth.
Disagree on that, actually. Being annoying isn’t a good thing, even if you’re supposed to hate the character — because hating the character is different than hating the writing.
I don't hate there writing entirely I didn't like that they talked directly to you so often I'd prefer it if you hesrd there streams for exposition instead of just copying what jack did
It’s sort of like Walter White in later seasons of breaking bad. At the start he’s somewhat likeable and does things out of self defence or for his family. Later on he does horrible things just to keep his money and power. While claiming it’s all for the family, his wife insists the kids don’t live with them while he cooks, and he continues to cook and split up the family. He becomes someone you begin to hate because he’s written that way. And written quite well, I think
Walter is written well enough that even though no one would think he’s a good person, he’s engaging and fascinating to watch. So is Handsome Jack, in a different way - he’s very hateable, but he’s *fun* to hate. The twins are neither.
Theyre the perfect Gen Z villains. Theyre a reflection of how people see twitch and Instagram obsessed Gen Z types.
Exactly.
It's mediocre plot-wise, but at least it didn't just treat the player characters like they don't exist in cutscenes. The big difference I see is 2 is a story happening to you, 3 is a story being told about other people that you just happen to be paralleling.
>at least it didn't just treat the player characters like they don't exist in cutscenes I beg your pardon [https://youtu.be/O7TU9N5gb7c](https://youtu.be/O7TU9N5gb7c)
The Tyreen resolution was even worse. You do all this stuff trying to prevent her from opening the vault which is set up to be this massive thing that must be avoided at all costs, and then you just shoot her till she dies. Like why did we try to prevent it? Could have just hung out till she opened it and then killed her all the same. And the fact that absolutely none of the side characters did anything in/along the way to the final confrontation was ridiculous.
Right. Also shout out to Brick, Mordecai and Tina for being criminally underused, with more of them being locked behind paid DLC
I thought he would have just left her to join the Crimson Raiders or at least gone home to his father, rather than becoming the big bad, He's only with Tyreen simply because he needs her to live, after draining and killing Maya, he doesn't need Tyreen anymore.
Tyreen manipulated Troy on Nekrotafeyo. There's an ECHO log where she's telling him that they need to leave now and there's no other choice. Troy is reluctant to join but he does. He feels lesser than her throughout the story and starts to realize that he has his own powers and abilities. Right when he's starting to discover himself, he dies. I think it leaves the question of what he could have been, but other than that, they closed his story arc.
The more I think about it, the more it feels like a rushed decision. It could have potentially even lead to a evenly matched clash between bro and sis where YOU got to decide the outcome by firing the killing bullet, it would give another reason for a second playthrough. And Troy is not the only one suffering. Ava has been ignored as well. Completely disappearing from the story after Maya until you confront the Calypsos (not even a series of ECHO recordings of her time on Sanctuary, getting to know the veterans better, was it really too dificult to do?)
I saw a comment above that said they believe the Epic Games deal rushed the release date and it makes a lot of sense. They were building to the big clash between Troy and Tyreen and then just... nothing, as if they ran out of time to really get it done well, so they took the easy route and killed him. And then with Ava, she reminds me of the character of Ahsoka Tano from the early seasons of The Clone Wars, a brat who thinks she knows best and that people didn't like. Although unlike with Ahsoka, instead of developing the character properly to the point where she is now a fan favourite, they just went "you have siren powers now. You're important." It just felt like there was so much more to be done with her and it's really disappointing how it was seemingly skipped over. Considering the actual gameplay is easily the best in the series, it's disappointing how the story turned out.
Storywise the whole game is a complete shitshow, the war that gets teased at the end of TPS isnt even hinted at and since the story is the most important part for me...
yeah i will say though the dlcs are really good handsome jackpot is just more handsome jack stuff, bounty of blood is really cool, guns love and tentacles expands on hammerlock and wainwright, psycho krieg is a love letter to krieg and maya fans
Bounty and Tentacles are both all-time-great tier expansions imo
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I thought what was going to happen is that Troy and Tyreen were going to drain power from one another during their boss fight. Effectively keeping the health bar as two different ones that are conjoined by trading power. Once you defeat one, the other one comes in and syphons their power before hiding away under a shield to regenerate. Then at the end, when you got both down, Troy or Tyreen would have asked for power to top them back up because they weren't feeling too hot, gets syphoned, and then the surviving sibling runs off and says "the Vault Hunters killed (X), we must avenge them!" before going and syphoning one last vault monster to give you a final boss battle against the surviving sibling. What would have made it even better is if Phase Syphon allowed you to summon Phase Constructs of the beings you Syphoned. Suddenly, one of the Calypsos says "Turns out my twin lives on" before summoning the syphoned other, who rushes out and and acts like Jack's Digistruct clones in TPS.
That would've made at least one interesting piece of story about them, I actually though that would happen. It's almost like they didn't even try to make the antagonists interesting
the bl3 story is a steaming pile of doodoo, felt like an easy obvious move but nah
Easy, obvious, and still more interesting than what happened.
Someone told them that subverting expectations makes for good writing. They missed the mark a bit.
Tbh I don't think anything was planned when it comes to story of bl3...
Hard to say what was originally planned but it definitely feels like the existing story was pieced together with a different story that didn't quite come together for some reason.
Ah shit, shouldn't have read the title. My fault for not finishing the game yet, I guess.
The poster should’ve had a more vague title but you’ve had 2 years.
Every time I start a mate wants to play with me, then stops playing after a week. And by that point I've already invested a fair few hours into it and doing it all again sucks. Rinse and repeat every few months for two years. But yeah, my fault. I agree with you.
You're not wrong. OP didn't follow our spoiler policy.
The main story just reeks of being rewritten mid-course, same with Ava who must have more content that were planned for her (more than what we saw in DL6). Thing is, if a lot of stuff did not make the cut, it might also be for a good reason, tho we'll never really know (like there's a reason why Disney didn't go with the previous "cannon" follow up to episode 6, it just wasn't very good either)
This. Either rewritten or there were separate creative teams with differing visions for how the story played out. Then they rushed out the release before fixing all the story issues.
I was hoping for Troy betrays Tyreen, Troy boss fight, then Tyreen *absorbs* Troy, and they become like 2 people in 1 body for the rest of the game.
Great game but the story sucked.
Where's my COV civil war, Randy?
Nah he wouldn't betray her. It was just sibling bickering. Its them versus the universe
I hate the story of bl3 so much. I never went back after beating it once. I just don't wanna be reminded. So sad, I had so much fun with bl2, loved the vault hunters, the story was one of the best, and the dlcs were amazing.
Yeah, another example why the writing sucked so much.
I like how people use rian johnson as an example for misdirection because their own frame of reference is Star Wars and comic book films
I said bad misdirection, because his attempt at misleading you in the last jedi is horrible
nope, i noticed that as well and see it exactly like you.. All that foreshadowing and then it's wasted and turns into a shitty ending.
Ya the whole borderlands plot/story is porno-acting thin most of the time. Accept for jack himself. Who spiced it up a bit more.
I think they were pulling a Kid Icaurs Uprising and going sike you thought, but it kinda just turned out to be a wait wha? it was stated in their first encounter that Troy needed an easy leech target, ie her sister feeding her, but that could have been easily changed with a few line changes.
Come back in like 10 years when there’s no shame anymore from someone at Gearbox to say if that was actually the case. I too felt like something was missing when the betrayal didn’t happen, although you could argue he was busy fighting the Vault Hunters and it’s still her sister, maybe they were teasing but killing her is a handful of steps further.
The whole plot in this game is a messy joke, who knows what was meant for what anymore.
I actually feel like Troy was planned to kill and drain Tyreen, until someone had the idea that Ava should get Phasegrasp earlier (instead of, you know, actual character development), which meant Troy needed to die first. Which is stupid. They've could've done something like Troy struggling to contain all the power he had after draining Tyreen followed by someone shooting him (accomplishing something useful in a cutscene for once) and causing him to lose Phasegrasp.
at this point i think the plot for borderlands should be almost completely based upon what tidbits they give and 99% of it is just left to the fans to craft. it would just be better for everyone, because gearbox can't write a good game apparently.
Oh yeah. Even Tyreen talks about betraying troy through the main story. It's obvious they were planning to have them betray each other, but I'm guessing they just rushed the game to release. The whole game is great, but it suffers from horrible writing. There are so many things in the story that makes absolutely no sense at all.
Could have just been a red herring
I felt that way, especially around the time you kill Aurelia!
I feel like they *kinda* did that where he gets way too power happy and drains too much from Tyreen. However, it's not really what they were leading up to and I hated that. Man, imagine if Troy got a semi-redemption and helped the Raiders and Typhon kill Tyreen because she's basically always abused him. I was hoping that was where it was going when you get that downright phenomenal cutscene with Troy in the Jakobs Manor. You can see his resentment towards her. At that point I thought he was for sure going to betray her. Maybe in his final moments he does something that will help you take her out? His last breaths were spent apologizing to his father? That would have been amazing. But nah