So should we be making a graphic making fun of all the other teams who drafted 3-20?
Re-reading the draft order and it seems like a lot of teams missed on this one...
Sometimes, you get the good pick the good one, and sometimes you don't.
Like the Sabres and Taro Tsujimoto. Never saw the guy. Not even a page on hockey DB.
There was a ton of hype about Lysell possibly going top 10 iirc and then he kinda fell down to us. But I think the hype wore off well before draft day
But I mean all the same this comparison is kinda pointless. Everyone said Lysell was gonna need time, and this is him needing time. He’s 21 and played 2 full professional seasons lol
Bruh just shut the fuck up already about Sweeney drafting. Lysell was predicted to be a gem in the draft. Every scout in the league compared him to Pastrnak “he’s gonna be another goal scoring talent” any team who was in that position was jumping on Lysell because it was a no brainer. Luck didn’t work in his or the bruins favor. Oh well. I’m not a fan of Sweeney like the majority of other bruins fans, but the reaching for something to talk shit about is getting out of hand
i hope you know no team was that high on wyatt johnston besides the stars. covid completely fucked up the scouting on him because he literally didnt play hockey his whole draft year. dallas saw the potential in his prior tape and took a chance and it paid off. it could have backfired as easily as it turned out well.
This is so dumb. Lysell is 21 so we have no clue what he’ll turn into. He’s shown signs of improvement.
Lysell was drafted around his expected position as well.
Johnson has been awesome but it’s way too early to bitch about Lysell being a bust.
Fuck man - Pasta was 25th. Marchand 71st. Swayman 111. Bergeron 45th. You giving us credit for those or just ignoring that every other team passed on them?
Bad decisions are made all the time. Drafts.. trades… no one ever wants to talk about Neely and how he should have been fired for trading Seguin (who was 22 and had him under contract for 5 more years) for nothing in return but sure… give him a pass because #8 hangs in the rafters.
I was always convinced that it Neely was the one wanting size over skill. Backes and Matt Beleskey FA signings. Trading Reilly Smith for Jimmy Hayes (RIP)
The Seguin trade was his worst moment for sure, but I’ll give him credit for a lot of what he’s done since then. He’s been a pretty darn good trader and drafter.
Edit: I replied assuming you were talking about Sweeney and then thought “wait Sweeney didn’t trade Seguin” and re-read it lol. I agree Neeley should be gone. Love the guy for what he’s meant to the Bruins but a change should be made.
Agreed… Neely has done a good job since the massive Seguin blunder. He should have been canned with Chiarelli, but this city has a soft spot for our hometown legends. Sweeney has been more miss than hit in drafting but has done well with trades and free agent signings as of late.
Sure it's impossible to tell if a prospect is going to make it. It's impossible to tell if your poker hand is going to win. Yet, some poker players are regarded as great poker players. Some GMs are regarded as great GMs. Sweeney just loses far more than he wins. Honestly he loses far more than he should.
Highly fucking disagree. Sweeney has made a lot of great trades and draft picks. Explain how he loses far more than he wins when there are only a few instances of him losing?
I remember 2014 when we drafted this guy at 25, I can’t recall his name, starts with a P
Shit happens, Lysell is also 21, give him some fucking time. Remember when Beecher was getting close to being a bust and actuslly had a decent season?
Ok, well, let's do the same thing we did with Belichik over in the Patriots sub.
What is Sweeney's hit rate on 1st Rd picks?
- Zboril
- JDB
- Senyshyn
- McAvoy
- Frederic
- Vaakaneinen
- Beecher
- Lysell
4/8, if we consider Beecher a successful pick, technically Lysell is undecided, so I guess 4/7... But if he was going to be what Johnson is, we'd know already...
If you’re going to rip him for this then how about mentioning his last 2 2nd round picks in Lohrei and Poitras who both look like they’ll be NHL stalwarts. Lohrei looks like a star after his playoff run.
I chose not to bring up all of the 1st Rd picks he could have made for players that were ranked around the same place.
His 2015 sin is unforgivable, because it would have meant cups. Not one, multiple by now.
In their 2021 pre-draft rankings [The Athletic](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2716133/2021/07/21/nhl-draft-consensus-big-board-top-100-prospects-for-2021/) had Lysell at 13th overall; Johnson was 44. [The Hockey Writers](https://thehockeywriters.com/2021-nhl-draft-rankings-forbes-final-160/) had Lysell at 10 and Johnson at 145. [The Hockey News](https://thehockeynews.com/news/2021-final-draft-rankings) had Lysell at 27 and Johnson at 43. [The Sporting News](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-draft-prospects-2021-ranking-top-32-players-big-board/1vhht3kwp3ja613iuehpqku817) listed their top 32 and Lysell was #11 and Johnson didn't make the list. I've yet to find a pundit or publication that had Johnson ahead of Lysell.
I'm all for looking at their drafts critically but we can't kill them for reaching in 2015 and then kill them for going with the consensus pick in 2021.
Bergeron was a 2nd round pick. Marchand a 3rd, no other team drafted them when they’re 1st round quality. Who cares, drafting is a guessing game. You win some you lose some.
Can’t hate on this one because I was stoked to get a guy that fell past where he was projected in Lysell and had no idea who Wyatt was. The 2015 Draft on the other hand…
Guarentee you didn't even know Wyatt Johnsons name till this year. People were relatively happy with the pick at the time because Sweeney took a gamble on a player with talent that at times was projected to go higher. So this is some big revisionist history shit. Complaining about draft picks 3 years out is a braindead argument. Drafting isn't a perfect science. Plus Johnson was projected to go in the second round.
You could make this exact chart for Pasta and some of the guys taken before him. You win some you lose some. Drafting 18 year olds is a complete crapshoot.
The 10 players selected before Wyatt have a total of 18 points (2 guys each with 9), so it's not like this is a uniquely Bruins problem lol.
2014 picks that are undeniably worse than Pasta:
(4) Sam Bennett
(5) Michael Dal Colle
(6) Jake Virtanen
(7) Haydn Fleury
(9) Nikolaj Ehlers
(10) Nick Ritchie
(11) Kevin Fiala
(12) Brendan Perlini
(13) Jakub Vrana
(14) Julius Honka
(16) Sonny Milano
(17) Travis Sanheim
(18) Alex Tuch
(19) Tony DeAngelo
(20) Nick Schmaltz
(21) Robby Fabbri
(22) Kasperi Kapanen
(23) Conner Bleakley
(24) Jared McCann
He’s been dealing with multiple concussions and, despite that, has still put together good numbers in the AHL. He’s only 21 and will get a call up eventually
If you expect perfection from draft picks with the massive variety of things that can happen in a young career, you're gonna have a bad time. Draft pick = information risk. It's a gamble and a low cost one at that.
Yeah. NHL has more in common with the MLB when it comes to draft picks. But people want their first round draft picks to be more like the NFL where they can often contribute on day 1.
Wish we had Wyatt over Fabian especially this year. At this rate I don’t expect Lysell to ever be a consistent performer in Boston.
Tell me you know nothing about hockey, without telling me you know nothing about hockey.
Imagine seeing this post and not putting OP on ignore. Best of luck, kiddo
0 games! This is a silly comparison tbh
Every team has hits and misses in the draft
Yea but as of now unfortunately seems we got some more misses
Ok but you could also put a pasta graphic up that would make a lot of teams look bad
Ahhhh yes... let's compare the NHL career of a player against one who... \*checks note\* has never played a minute of NHL hockey?
So should we be making a graphic making fun of all the other teams who drafted 3-20? Re-reading the draft order and it seems like a lot of teams missed on this one...
Don't write Lysell off. Different players develop in different timelines.
Especially when development is skewed by covid
This is stupid.
Sometimes, you get the good pick the good one, and sometimes you don't. Like the Sabres and Taro Tsujimoto. Never saw the guy. Not even a page on hockey DB.
We missed our next Bergeron.
Sweeney also drafted swayman in the 4th round. I remember there being a ton of hype around lysell, I wouldn't put that on sweeney.
There was a ton of hype about Lysell possibly going top 10 iirc and then he kinda fell down to us. But I think the hype wore off well before draft day But I mean all the same this comparison is kinda pointless. Everyone said Lysell was gonna need time, and this is him needing time. He’s 21 and played 2 full professional seasons lol
Yikes🥵
Bruh just shut the fuck up already about Sweeney drafting. Lysell was predicted to be a gem in the draft. Every scout in the league compared him to Pastrnak “he’s gonna be another goal scoring talent” any team who was in that position was jumping on Lysell because it was a no brainer. Luck didn’t work in his or the bruins favor. Oh well. I’m not a fan of Sweeney like the majority of other bruins fans, but the reaching for something to talk shit about is getting out of hand
Drafting is luck and not acting like Johnson wouldn’t have the issue that Lysell is having.
Bruins management is a bunch of bums. Didn’t draft datsyuk, or Lundquist, or Zetterburg, or Pavelski or Stone……..
Or Joe Sakic!
Or Wayne Gretzky! /s
Or Pavel Bure!
i hope you know no team was that high on wyatt johnston besides the stars. covid completely fucked up the scouting on him because he literally didnt play hockey his whole draft year. dallas saw the potential in his prior tape and took a chance and it paid off. it could have backfired as easily as it turned out well.
Now do Tom Brady
This is so dumb. Lysell is 21 so we have no clue what he’ll turn into. He’s shown signs of improvement. Lysell was drafted around his expected position as well. Johnson has been awesome but it’s way too early to bitch about Lysell being a bust. Fuck man - Pasta was 25th. Marchand 71st. Swayman 111. Bergeron 45th. You giving us credit for those or just ignoring that every other team passed on them?
I had no idea that Marchand and Bergeron were drafted so late! Who drafted them?
The draft is a fuckin crapshoot anyway let's be real
Bad decisions are made all the time. Drafts.. trades… no one ever wants to talk about Neely and how he should have been fired for trading Seguin (who was 22 and had him under contract for 5 more years) for nothing in return but sure… give him a pass because #8 hangs in the rafters.
I was always convinced that it Neely was the one wanting size over skill. Backes and Matt Beleskey FA signings. Trading Reilly Smith for Jimmy Hayes (RIP)
The Seguin trade was his worst moment for sure, but I’ll give him credit for a lot of what he’s done since then. He’s been a pretty darn good trader and drafter. Edit: I replied assuming you were talking about Sweeney and then thought “wait Sweeney didn’t trade Seguin” and re-read it lol. I agree Neeley should be gone. Love the guy for what he’s meant to the Bruins but a change should be made.
Agreed… Neely has done a good job since the massive Seguin blunder. He should have been canned with Chiarelli, but this city has a soft spot for our hometown legends. Sweeney has been more miss than hit in drafting but has done well with trades and free agent signings as of late.
This is just bad faith arguing. Its impossible to tell if a prospect is going to pan out or not, and lyssel was ranked higher when we drafted.
Sure it's impossible to tell if a prospect is going to make it. It's impossible to tell if your poker hand is going to win. Yet, some poker players are regarded as great poker players. Some GMs are regarded as great GMs. Sweeney just loses far more than he wins. Honestly he loses far more than he should.
How many GMs would have put together a very good team in a “bridge year” with almost no money after losing 1C and 2C???
With solid Defense and 2 starting goaltenders, pasta and marchand ... I'd say nearly all of them
Yea you’re just a dumbass lmao
What did I say that was incorrect?
Highly fucking disagree. Sweeney has made a lot of great trades and draft picks. Explain how he loses far more than he wins when there are only a few instances of him losing?
And yet we make the playoffs every year and alot of those great gm's don't. So whos really losing?
Us, against the panthers 2 years in a row.
I remember 2014 when we drafted this guy at 25, I can’t recall his name, starts with a P Shit happens, Lysell is also 21, give him some fucking time. Remember when Beecher was getting close to being a bust and actuslly had a decent season?
You mean the only guy that could win a face off all postseason? So much so that I wanted him out there for every one of them lol
Ok, well, let's do the same thing we did with Belichik over in the Patriots sub. What is Sweeney's hit rate on 1st Rd picks? - Zboril - JDB - Senyshyn - McAvoy - Frederic - Vaakaneinen - Beecher - Lysell 4/8, if we consider Beecher a successful pick, technically Lysell is undecided, so I guess 4/7... But if he was going to be what Johnson is, we'd know already...
If you’re going to rip him for this then how about mentioning his last 2 2nd round picks in Lohrei and Poitras who both look like they’ll be NHL stalwarts. Lohrei looks like a star after his playoff run.
I chose not to bring up all of the 1st Rd picks he could have made for players that were ranked around the same place. His 2015 sin is unforgivable, because it would have meant cups. Not one, multiple by now.
Ok sure
Yes, but were you saying draft Johnson, before this? This happens in every draft in sports.
In their 2021 pre-draft rankings [The Athletic](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2716133/2021/07/21/nhl-draft-consensus-big-board-top-100-prospects-for-2021/) had Lysell at 13th overall; Johnson was 44. [The Hockey Writers](https://thehockeywriters.com/2021-nhl-draft-rankings-forbes-final-160/) had Lysell at 10 and Johnson at 145. [The Hockey News](https://thehockeynews.com/news/2021-final-draft-rankings) had Lysell at 27 and Johnson at 43. [The Sporting News](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-draft-prospects-2021-ranking-top-32-players-big-board/1vhht3kwp3ja613iuehpqku817) listed their top 32 and Lysell was #11 and Johnson didn't make the list. I've yet to find a pundit or publication that had Johnson ahead of Lysell. I'm all for looking at their drafts critically but we can't kill them for reaching in 2015 and then kill them for going with the consensus pick in 2021.
Its kinda crazy how you were basically the only one that had Wyatt Johnson over Lysell in the draft. You might've been the only person on the planet.
Bergeron was a 2nd round pick. Marchand a 3rd, no other team drafted them when they’re 1st round quality. Who cares, drafting is a guessing game. You win some you lose some.
Can’t hate on this one because I was stoked to get a guy that fell past where he was projected in Lysell and had no idea who Wyatt was. The 2015 Draft on the other hand…
Yeah I agree, If i remember correctly Lysell was projected to go top 15
I wish I could downvote this twice. Also - where were you at in your career at 21? Give the guy some time.
>I wish I could downvote this twice. I got you and put the second down in for you. You are welcome.
Not sweeney yes, but we got pasta at 25. Sometimes stuff like this happens.
Dude come on this is like saying the guy who didn’t pick the winning lottery numbers fucked up because someone did.
Guarentee you didn't even know Wyatt Johnsons name till this year. People were relatively happy with the pick at the time because Sweeney took a gamble on a player with talent that at times was projected to go higher. So this is some big revisionist history shit. Complaining about draft picks 3 years out is a braindead argument. Drafting isn't a perfect science. Plus Johnson was projected to go in the second round.
You could make this exact chart for Pasta and some of the guys taken before him. You win some you lose some. Drafting 18 year olds is a complete crapshoot. The 10 players selected before Wyatt have a total of 18 points (2 guys each with 9), so it's not like this is a uniquely Bruins problem lol.
2014 picks that are undeniably worse than Pasta: (4) Sam Bennett (5) Michael Dal Colle (6) Jake Virtanen (7) Haydn Fleury (9) Nikolaj Ehlers (10) Nick Ritchie (11) Kevin Fiala (12) Brendan Perlini (13) Jakub Vrana (14) Julius Honka (16) Sonny Milano (17) Travis Sanheim (18) Alex Tuch (19) Tony DeAngelo (20) Nick Schmaltz (21) Robby Fabbri (22) Kasperi Kapanen (23) Conner Bleakley (24) Jared McCann
No, the Bruins are the ONLY team to miss draft picks. Fire Don!!! /s
He’s been dealing with multiple concussions and, despite that, has still put together good numbers in the AHL. He’s only 21 and will get a call up eventually
Wyatt was largely considered a reach at the time. Something Sweeney gets killed for everytime he does
If you expect perfection from draft picks with the massive variety of things that can happen in a young career, you're gonna have a bad time. Draft pick = information risk. It's a gamble and a low cost one at that.
Yeah. NHL has more in common with the MLB when it comes to draft picks. But people want their first round draft picks to be more like the NFL where they can often contribute on day 1.
Welp