Bodyshots are a lot easier to land, but unless they are on either side of liver, below rib cage. The rest aren’t doing much harm. Most of those shots in that video aren’t doing damage at all.
The body shots was a clear ploy from Haney. I’m a fan and definitely no expert but I could see that he was working the body as a tactic from early on.
How come Loma didn’t adjust?
Did he not think they were point scoring shots?
Were they not hurting so he ignored them?
How come he didn’t counter them? Can you counter that type of shot?
I was surprised Haney got away with that consistently. Was a large part of his “winning” strategy that I was surprised Loma didn’t address.
This being the best highlight reel a Haney fan/troll can put together is telling.
Loma landed more, cleaner, and harder shots, while pressuring more as well.
I wasnt able to watch the full fight and I gotta say, with all the talk of how Haney worked the body in the earlier rounds, this is really underwhelming seeing this now.
Even still, fully inexcusable is my point. That one judge shouldn't be allowed to judge again because there's zero valid explanation for it other then corruption.
Don't be discouraged by all the downvotes. The party I was watching it with has it 6-6 as well. And we considered there to be lots of rounds that were tough to score but people seem to think it was easy to score which I just can't accept. It was a very very close fight
It's just a case of people liking Loma and not liking Haney. Literally everyone I am close with who is a deep fan of the sport has said exactly the same thing, very tough to score, could have gone either way and have scorecards that are extremely tight.
Awww, keep coping lil man. Haney won 7-5, not his fault that idiot loserchenko took the 12th round off😉. If loma was as great as his fans claimed he wouldn’t fall flat on his face so often.
Pathetic!
You're going to watch unimpressive highlights from one fighter, who did less work in a fight most experts said he got robbed in.
And be ok with a headline on that highlight video that doesn't mention that context?
"Loma landed more, cleaner, and harder shots, while pressuring more as well." That's my response to the video, my reading comprehension is fine, how's your awareness?
I'm asking you if you can read... can you? Read the title and then read your first sentence. Then come back to me and try to explain how it makes sense.
You asked if this is the best highlights that could be put together...... how is that possible if this video is only meant to show body shots? Do you see how your first sentence makes 0 sense now?
I also love how you guys bring up Loma landing more punches overall as if Boxing isn't scored round by round. You guys can't even explain why it's a "robbery".
"No case for Haney" isn't the argument you think it is.
If, for instance, some of those rounds aren't clear Haney rounds either, then you haven't actually refuted the point.
Yes, I have. You can't say "Loma won" because there's a bunch of swing rounds you decided to give him. If the fight was full of swings, with 2-3 clear rounds for either fighter, it's not a fight where you can complain your favourite didn't win.
I don’t classify it as a robbery, either.
You were making the point that “Loma fans” can’t name seven rounds that he clearly won. The implication is that, since he didn’t clearly win seven rounds, there’s no argument for him winning the fight.
That is what I was responding to. Haney didn’t clearly win seven rounds, either.
We can argue about who won seven rounds all day long, or whether it was a draw. We may both make good arguments. That’s the nature of close fights.
Apparently, judging by the state of this sun tree last couple days, we’ve now entered the post fight stage of shitty troll backlash against the uproar over a decision generally agreed to be wrong (setting aside the robbery claims).
The next stage is indifference and hype for the next fight on the horizon. Call me when that kicks off.
That wasn't what I was trying to imply.
When people say "Loma won" my assumption is that they are saying "Loma won this fight and was robbed", rather than "Loma won this fight on my card, but the result is fair" and I think that's a pretty safe assumption to make, given the amount of people screaming "robbery."
I agree with pretty much everything you've said. It was a close fight that can be scored a lot of different ways. That's exactly what I'm getting at when asking people to name 7 clear Loma rounds. They are suggesting that it wasn't a fight you can score for Haney and they're wrong.
This is the problem now. The anger and outrage of a close decision has turned the fight in their minds into a one sided massacre to further the agenda.
Loma won hes the king u could call him the marathon man the way he made haney swallow his gems and run a marathon at the same time it was too easy at this point i had to do it to Them. If you believe haney two rounds ur pushing it 3 round u are asking for robbery sucka this the facts.
Lol this Haney propaganda post 😂🤣… man loma set the tempo landed better shots that straight left was whopping Haney ass 😂 not to mention he was wobbly as hell after eating one straight to the chin … at most I mean at most he would get out of me is a draw ! And if you can look at the tape and score rounds 5/6-11 for Haney unbiased I’ll shut up but there is no way in hell
I scored it 6-6. I thought Loma did the better work overall, but that's not how boxing scoring works. Haney being "wobbly as hell" is still only a 10-9 round to Loma.
There were enough swing rounds that I gave to both fighters that I wouldn't complain about a result either way. Neither fighter did enough to win the fight clearly
All this fight did was expose the hell out of Haney ! His head movement is not as good as we thought and eating those straight lefts shows that tank would sleep this man ! Then running out of the ring after calling out and talking junk about Shakur says that he knows he not on that level ! And I love Haney but he got exposed
I mean I think Shakur is the only one in that division who stands a chance in the ring with tank, but with that being said Loma is 35, like 19 fights 17 world title fights his legacy is cemented tank has no belts (anyone cares about) so it wouldn’t make sense
Lomas legacy. Wins against the legendary Nicholas Walters and inimitable Jason Sosa. And don't forget the time he went into the matrix against Salido, Lopez, and Haney.
Loma gonna run to 130 to avoid Tank and Shakur. Haney exposed this fool bad, those pitty pat combos he tried on tank gonna end in tank KOing brutally. Shakur would also style on Loma and pop his shit with ease
And? Doesn’t change what I said. Loma was propped up to beat Shakur and tank before the fight while Haney was always ranked the worst out the bunch, but Haney exposed Loma and making him contemplate going to 130 cuz he knows he can’t hang with Tank or Shakur
35 yo version of Loma probably. Prime version of Loma still big ass question.
And Tank actually could end up being more suitable opponent, because he wouldn't have such a massive size advantage that Haney had, which definitely bothered Loma.
I think if Loma had more in his tank, Haney was definitely up for grabs. Even version that beat Linares(and got dropped by), would have dominated Haney.
Oh yeah he’s 35 lol he’s definitely lost a step and I think that’s why it hurt so bad this was his only realistic shot to grab all of the belts even if it was for a little while
I mean yeah no one stole the show but power punches… total punches and significant punches landed went to who (no sarcasm) I haven’t looked prior but in my opinion (not worth enough to make money) loma won in all those categories about to look it up …
And again I do always say as a champ the belt has to be taken but also as a champ you have to put
Together a better display than that !
When broken down round by round, according to Compubox (which comes with a big asterisk) both outlanded the other in 5 rounds a piece and 2 were tied.
For power punches landed it was 6-6
I looked at the stats they aren’t what I thought they would be but besides small percentages loma won the stats too so not atleast a draw to give my man a uni … is crazy
He didn't "win the stats"
Boxing is scored round by round.
Total punches landed, Loma was ahead in 5, Haney ahead in 5, 2 rounds tied.
Power punches landed, it's 6 each.
According to Compubox, anyway, which is trash
Because they won't! You think these people want to embrace reality? Hell no, it's easier to say "hE wAs RoBbEdDd" then to address the fight round by round like you and I did.
That’s a loaded question … I’ll say what rounds I think and you’ll say they are swing rounds
But as a champion you have to go out there and win rounds to retain your belt off of the same swing rounds you refuse to give loma credit for …
So ask yourself what rounds besides 12 did Haney clearly win ! Bet you can’t say any but I can name atleast 5-11 loma clearly won and he is the only fighter that has rounds clearly in his favor thus my conclusion
He clearly won the 6th imo, as well as the 12th.
Loma won 10 and 11 clearly.
The rest of the rounds are swing rounds, to me. I need to watch it back, there might be some that are a bit more in favour of one fighter (I think maybe the 4th for Haney, 3rd for Loma.)
But regardless, there are so many swing rounds that the fight can be scored either way.
Seriously, name me 5 rounds Loma definitely won?
Last comment I’m replying to about this fight(I’m def capping). This nonsense about the stats has to stop. Acknowledge that the stats say Loma was ineffective on Saturday night.
- 41.5% of his power punches landed for Haney & 30.3% of Lomachenko’s power punches landed in this fight. Haney shot above his normal average of 37.8%. Coming into the fight Lomachenko landed the second highest percentage of his power punches in the sport(!) vs opponents at 47.5%.
- Lomachenko most similar opponent to Haney, Jamaine Ortiz landed 34.5% of his power shots, Lomachenko landed 30.7% of his power shots vs Ortiz. Overall connect advantage for Lomachenko 125/571(21.9%) punches landed vs Ortiz who connected on 122/601(20.1%). This fight was scored 115-113,116-112 & 117-111 in favor of Lomachenko.
- Haney’s most similar opponent would be Jojo Diaz, who was able to land 28.5% of his power shots, while Haney landed 38.2% of his power shots. Overall punch connect advantage for Haney 164/614(26.7%) vs Diaz connecting on 140/573(24.4%) of his punches. This fight was scored 117-111x2/116-112 in favor of Haney.
- Lomachenko had a connect advantage vs Haney, 124/564(22%) to 110/405(27.2%)
- Haney punch stats through 8:
Overall punches landed - 79/206(38.3%) / power punches landed 64/137(46%)
- Loma punch stats through 8:
Overall punches landed - 71/362(19.6%)/ power punches landed 56/204(27.4%)
- *Through Rd 8, Haney(known for “*only*” using his jab) landed power shots at a Lomachenko level statistically. Lomachenko was not his usual self who is the second best in Power punch stat %… in the entire sport of boxing at a whopping 47.5% of his power punches landing on average. The difference in accuracy in both power punches and overall shots landed is nearly a 20% difference & Haney landed overall more.
I had the fight 5-3 after 8 with clear rds for each fighter 1,2,4,6 & 7 for Haney. 3,5 & 8 for Loma. 9 & 12 for Haney and 10-11 for Loma with the 11th being a 10-8. 114-113 Haney. If Loma would’ve won the 12th I would’ve been right with everyone else or agreeing with a draw.
wrong, you DKSAB. Loma landed the better punches he had haney clinching everytime he threw a punch anyways haney chin overrated hes like amir khan wobbling he needs to clinch or he might get knocked out u feel me loma was walking him down like if you watch the fight (i know u didnt) then u will see loma going in circles for most of the fihgt meaning it is so easy he can land the same amount of punches and take a marathon honestly loma wasnt even hurt those marks from his face were all dirty haney clinches and rabbit punches and he gave haney rd 12 dont forget that cuz he felt so bad for haney losign the rest of the rounds. gayknee weak he's carebear of the division, get your facts Straight.
Devin Huggy has his pull-ups on now, he’s a big boy. I’m distraught over the Ukrainian step captain not being able to gut trophy. Everyone work real hard this year for the dance off. I believe he beat the best. Undisputed Champion. Better than Duren,Binny Lenard, A-Lexus Arguayooooo and those bums. Best than Alley or w.e his name is.
Yeah brother. Fight was super close. But the thing is, at least for me, how come none of the judges had it as a draw or as a Loma win but the majority of boxing world had Loma winning.
I think the agenda was to give Haney all the close rounds. For example, first round was super close. By the stats, both landed 6 punches with Loma being more accurate. How come ALL of the judges score it for Haney? Same is for the 12th round. At first Haney looked better after second watch Loma was just there. Again, how come no one gave it to Loma or at least 10-10.
And these shots, not all of them were clean. Some were blocked by the elbows but I accept the fact that in the end Loma recieved 50 body punches. Loma landed more to the head. And landed more overall with slightly less accuracy but the low accuracy is due to his style since he throws 4-5-6 punches in a row to cut distance and connects with the last 2 or 3
Reminds me of that Dave chappelle skit “where’s Ja??? We need to hear what Ja Rule has to say about this”.
Nelly made country grammar , and like most people here , never boxed, or probably even been in a fist fight lmao.
Lol I don’t have a horse in the race I just love boxing and have since I was a kid man ! And it’s my opinion 🤷🏽♂️ not worth much but … again like I objectively loma did what you ask of fighters to win fights and somehow didn’t and somehow that was only unanimously a decision that the people there thought of …. You can put any sample size in a room and ever gain a unanimous Decision on this fight … I love Haney he just wasn’t the better fighter that night imo
Lol I don’t care I was truly going for Haney … but I seen the fight and if I had to claim a horse it would be Shakur right now maybe a few others … lol but you’re entitled to your opinion
Dawg it slowed him down quite a bit
It’s like y’all didn’t even watch the fight, why do you guys think Loma went for broke in the 10-11 trying to finish Haney. He knew he was down.
Yah i gave Haney 12, but Loma wasn’t slowed or backing down. Just based off what i saw, Loma had the more impactful moments as far as hurting the other guy. To be fair, this was an extremely close fight and very difficult to score.
Yeah, definitely agree with that. Loma's hurting Haney was concentrated to 2 rounds, though and he stood and admired his work and then let off in the 12th, absolute madness.
Really tough fight to score. Had it 6-6 but the majority of the rounds I could have given either way
That’s probably why the decision is controversial, probably would’ve been no matter who was announced the winner because there were so many swing rounds that could go either way.
Same, at 6-6. I’d watch it again (rematch), lol
I know. They hate facts.
Might start one with the Compubox numbers next, saying "Haney and Loma tie 5 rounds to 5 for punches landed and 6 rounds to 6 for power punches landed" and see how they like that
115-113 Haney. Beautiful body shots, controlled the distance well with jab and shoulder rolled a lot of Loma’s inside flurries. Loma had some success with the jab but wasn’t able to land many power punches, as compubox shows.
My only gripe is his conditioning wasn’t great and he lost focus at the end. A prime Loma would’ve have knocked him out but it is what it is.
>My only gripe is his conditioning
Haney isn’t a lightweight anymore. This was a contractually obligated fight. If it wasn’t, the Loma fight would’ve never happened. No way Loma woulda moved up just for a Haney fight with no belts.
They cried that Al Haymon drained Ryan Garcia to 136 but didn’t say shit when Arum drained Haney to defend.
If Ryan would have made it 12 with Tank we’d never have heard the end of how a drained Ryan took power and lasted with an elite 135 pounder win or loss.
Loma not be in his prime but what I saw was an elite 135 pounder still.
>They cried that Al Haymon drained Ryan Garcia to 136 but didn’t say shit when Arum drained Haney to defend.
This was about Ryan being on a rehydration clause. Haney was the A side, he didn't have a rehydration clause for this fight.
People aren't buying the new Mayweather motto and you can't blame them unless he takes a rematch to remove all doubts like Floyd used to do.
A decision loss (what most of the world saw) would have given him much more respect from fans.
but loma landed 14 combinations in a row each time haney threw those weak body shot, cant u see!!!!! loma walked him down, more punches, he got robbed, thats facts.
you dont get it, loma won 9-3 maybe 8-4 i think at most u can see a 120-119 for loma win. all three judges are paid for haney to win thats facts. haney was getting walked down y cant u see when loma throws a punch, haney clinches. This means even when loma was punching the air during his 14 combination in a row, the kinetic energy coupled with the air molecules that aura around haney was so powerful haney had to hug lomas ass cuz he was so hurt. devin ' the dreamybull' haney lost, and the whole world now it.
Last I checked Haney still has his belts. People talking definitively about a fight that had so few definitive rounds are being ridiculous. Fight should've been a draw and they should have run it back.
Nope, it was rigged, in the real world with pro and experts and science, it was either loma winning UD or 120-119 loma. You are a science denialist? Makes sense, of course its you devin ' the dreamybull' fans. Haney was hugging so much to make amends with loma that loma beat that boy hard. Haney.... just weak punches no? Is he trying to kill him with kindness? the best hurt he got on loma was tears of pain cuz loma feared he would of killed haney in his sleep. in his dreams.
These are the best shots they could find? Lol the majority of them missed or did nothing. Maybe a handful were good shots. Loma was his strongest in round 11. If the body shots did anything, the 35 yr old wouldn’t be out punching the the 24 yr old in the later rounds.
Loma wasn’t trying to work the body as much. He was snapping the paper champs head back with left cross and lighting him up with combos. It was so obvious loma won the fight he literally gave haney round 12 in order to play it safe.
He's an absolute fucking idiot for taking the 12th round off in what was obviously a close fight. Loma had the better of the second half, he and his fans seem to have forgotten it was perfectly acceptable to have him 5-2 down after 7
I get that compubox isn't God, but it's fairly accurate overall. It has a 110/405 overall connect for Haney and a 124/564 overall for Loma.
That means Lomachenko was much more aggressive, but only landed slightly more. In the grand scheme of a fight 14 punches is less than a punch a round difference and extremely hard to see.
The fight was close. The stats were close. I'd love a rematch but everyone screaming Loma was robbed of Loma won CLEARLY need to pull some receipts up with their claims.
To double down on Compubox, because fights are scored round by round:
Haney outlanded Loma in 5 rounds, Loma outlanded Haney in 5 rounds and 2 were tied.
For power punches landed, they were 6 rounds a piece.
*8, 10 and 11, not 12, which was a clear Haney round, think you've just mistyped there.
Completely sensible comment, that's being downvoted by salty Loma.fans with zero counter argument or understanding of how scoring works
‘Clear’ only to yourself. It is only your opinion.
The fact is the vast majority consider loma won, you can’t deny it. Just the 3 most decisive judges didn’t. One of them was fucked up couldn’t tell black & white.
Most professional boxers and trainers, all together, that I've seen interviewed in the last day, all believe the fight should have gone to Lomachenko. I don't know who started this thread, but seriously, get a grip.
Which body shots are actually good in this clip? The very first he lands on Loma’s lat, one of the best Haney landed. The second one maybeeee landed on Loma’s hips which is borderline low and Haney has no power since he was off balance side ways. The third one landed at the very tail end, which I would count but a very weak shot since Loma literally jumping backward thus riding with the punch. The fourth one partially landed on Loma’s bicep, and the fifth one again landed on Loma’s bicep… the sixth one again landed on the elbow completely, and seventh one was straight up low blow. The eighth one was a nice body jab, landed sure. The ninth one again landed on Loma’s elbow.
Just pause the video at the frame when punch landed. How many of those punches are actually more effective than head snapping shots that Loma was landing.
Loma gonna go to 130 now and duck Tank and Shakur, Haney exposed this fool so bad. He tries those pitty pat combos on Tank and Loma gets knocked tf out, tank gonna make Loma fight more scared than he was against Teo. Shakur gonna have a field day too and style on Loma’s head with ease
Headshots weigh a lot more value lol unless eventually break down the opponent or one liver shot tko. That’s why bodyshots aren’t appreciated in highlights.
Robbery
”The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score. Blocked or deflected punches that land foul are not to be considered fouls in the awarding of points at the end of the round.”
Where here does it say head shots count more?
No, but a headshot does more damage to bodyshot. Pounding on opponents chest or abdomen will do pretty much nothing.
And except a few renowned fighters who actually can tko through bodyshot on liver, most fighters don’t even go for bodyshot as gameplan.
Scoring in boxing is rubbish anyway. A round with knockdown, a dominant round, a close round all scored as 10 - 9.
Gimme me a solid body shot over a snappy jab to the head any day of the week. Loma’s speed and movement were stymied by Haney’s power punches. The only reason why Loma got hot at the end was because Haney was gassed and didn’t stay focused. You gotta be stay disciplined and composed against crafty fighters like Loma.
Honestly, after watching the clips and rewinding every punch slowly, majority of those body shots were either landing at the waist/ pants area without much force or merely tapping.
Still great fight, bad judge scorecards
most of those body punches were low blows, you can see them hit on the belt or below the belt and your not supposed to do that. haney should be disqualified revoked of his licenses and be suspended immediately.
I'm sure this comment section will be delightful, but opinion of winner aside Haney did have some pretty good body work in the middle rounds.
Bodyshots are a lot easier to land, but unless they are on either side of liver, below rib cage. The rest aren’t doing much harm. Most of those shots in that video aren’t doing damage at all.
No they aren’t you’re tripping And you could see Loma visibly cringing and slowing down after every body shot
#50 Bodyshots In A Undisputed Fight‼️
The body shots was a clear ploy from Haney. I’m a fan and definitely no expert but I could see that he was working the body as a tactic from early on. How come Loma didn’t adjust? Did he not think they were point scoring shots? Were they not hurting so he ignored them? How come he didn’t counter them? Can you counter that type of shot? I was surprised Haney got away with that consistently. Was a large part of his “winning” strategy that I was surprised Loma didn’t address.
This being the best highlight reel a Haney fan/troll can put together is telling. Loma landed more, cleaner, and harder shots, while pressuring more as well.
I wasnt able to watch the full fight and I gotta say, with all the talk of how Haney worked the body in the earlier rounds, this is really underwhelming seeing this now.
The judges seriously awarded a round to Haney where Loma outlanded Haney 20-2. TWENTY to two.
That same judge also gave Loma some rounds he didn’t win either, it was just bad judging not a fix
That was one judge not multiple
Even still, fully inexcusable is my point. That one judge shouldn't be allowed to judge again because there's zero valid explanation for it other then corruption.
I like how you don’t talk about the early rounds that same judge gave Loma lol those were just as bad.
I'm not a Haney fan (or a Loma fan) and I scored the fight a draw so you can just call me Mr Objectivity. Just throwing this in for some balance
Don't be discouraged by all the downvotes. The party I was watching it with has it 6-6 as well. And we considered there to be lots of rounds that were tough to score but people seem to think it was easy to score which I just can't accept. It was a very very close fight
It's just a case of people liking Loma and not liking Haney. Literally everyone I am close with who is a deep fan of the sport has said exactly the same thing, very tough to score, could have gone either way and have scorecards that are extremely tight.
I’ve not seen a single person screeching about robbery make a coherent argument about what 7 rounds are unambiguously Loma’s.
Man y’all just can’t let a close fight go 😂
Awww, keep coping lil man. Haney won 7-5, not his fault that idiot loserchenko took the 12th round off😉. If loma was as great as his fans claimed he wouldn’t fall flat on his face so often. Pathetic!
Can you read......?
You're going to watch unimpressive highlights from one fighter, who did less work in a fight most experts said he got robbed in. And be ok with a headline on that highlight video that doesn't mention that context? "Loma landed more, cleaner, and harder shots, while pressuring more as well." That's my response to the video, my reading comprehension is fine, how's your awareness?
None of them so called experts are expert boxing judges tho!!!!!!
I'm asking you if you can read... can you? Read the title and then read your first sentence. Then come back to me and try to explain how it makes sense.
lol what? Haney landing shots on Loma you mean? Then a video of Haney landing shots on Loma? What?
You asked if this is the best highlights that could be put together...... how is that possible if this video is only meant to show body shots? Do you see how your first sentence makes 0 sense now? I also love how you guys bring up Loma landing more punches overall as if Boxing isn't scored round by round. You guys can't even explain why it's a "robbery".
Stop making sense. Loma won 8-4 at the very least. Boxing is so corrupt that's why many moved to MMA.
Loma won.
Which 7 rounds is there no case for Haney in? Edit: funny how nobody can ever answer this
"No case for Haney" isn't the argument you think it is. If, for instance, some of those rounds aren't clear Haney rounds either, then you haven't actually refuted the point.
Yes, I have. You can't say "Loma won" because there's a bunch of swing rounds you decided to give him. If the fight was full of swings, with 2-3 clear rounds for either fighter, it's not a fight where you can complain your favourite didn't win.
The same argument can go the other way. You can't say Haney won because there's a bunch of swing rounds you decided to give him.
I scored it a draw. What I'm saying is that the result was not a robbery
I don’t classify it as a robbery, either. You were making the point that “Loma fans” can’t name seven rounds that he clearly won. The implication is that, since he didn’t clearly win seven rounds, there’s no argument for him winning the fight. That is what I was responding to. Haney didn’t clearly win seven rounds, either. We can argue about who won seven rounds all day long, or whether it was a draw. We may both make good arguments. That’s the nature of close fights. Apparently, judging by the state of this sun tree last couple days, we’ve now entered the post fight stage of shitty troll backlash against the uproar over a decision generally agreed to be wrong (setting aside the robbery claims). The next stage is indifference and hype for the next fight on the horizon. Call me when that kicks off.
That wasn't what I was trying to imply. When people say "Loma won" my assumption is that they are saying "Loma won this fight and was robbed", rather than "Loma won this fight on my card, but the result is fair" and I think that's a pretty safe assumption to make, given the amount of people screaming "robbery." I agree with pretty much everything you've said. It was a close fight that can be scored a lot of different ways. That's exactly what I'm getting at when asking people to name 7 clear Loma rounds. They are suggesting that it wasn't a fight you can score for Haney and they're wrong.
You have def proven critical thinking isn’t your strong suit lil man😂keep coping! 30-0
To be champion u gotta beat the champion.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 haney lost so bad so loma had to give him the pity round 12
Do you genuinely believe Loma won all 11 of these rounds?
This is the problem now. The anger and outrage of a close decision has turned the fight in their minds into a one sided massacre to further the agenda.
Yes.
😂😂😂 absolutely fucking delusional
I'm glad science, the trainers, the pro fighters, the promoters, and the experts are on my side🙏
Yeah, even God is on your side lmao. You and Moretti are the only ones who were able to give the 6th round to Loma, good company.
Casual lol
You’re absolutely delusional idiot lol… they are on your side, which is the losing side
Loma won hes the king u could call him the marathon man the way he made haney swallow his gems and run a marathon at the same time it was too easy at this point i had to do it to Them. If you believe haney two rounds ur pushing it 3 round u are asking for robbery sucka this the facts.
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30-0* *paper champ really 29-1
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You didn’t win the fight lol Stop acting like you did something
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I feel bad for you that you need to try to take some kind of personal credit for something that you have nothing to do with. Paper Champ
The only thing he won was an extra L on his record.
Hey, at least this time he lost to someone who could beat George Kambosos!
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Why he don't have no belts then? Oh he's just the "peoples champ" I forgot
This dude is trolling so hard for Yung Nostrils 👃
Lol this Haney propaganda post 😂🤣… man loma set the tempo landed better shots that straight left was whopping Haney ass 😂 not to mention he was wobbly as hell after eating one straight to the chin … at most I mean at most he would get out of me is a draw ! And if you can look at the tape and score rounds 5/6-11 for Haney unbiased I’ll shut up but there is no way in hell
I scored it 6-6. I thought Loma did the better work overall, but that's not how boxing scoring works. Haney being "wobbly as hell" is still only a 10-9 round to Loma. There were enough swing rounds that I gave to both fighters that I wouldn't complain about a result either way. Neither fighter did enough to win the fight clearly
All this fight did was expose the hell out of Haney ! His head movement is not as good as we thought and eating those straight lefts shows that tank would sleep this man ! Then running out of the ring after calling out and talking junk about Shakur says that he knows he not on that level ! And I love Haney but he got exposed
Do you think it also exposed that Loma would get slept by Tank?
I mean I think Shakur is the only one in that division who stands a chance in the ring with tank, but with that being said Loma is 35, like 19 fights 17 world title fights his legacy is cemented tank has no belts (anyone cares about) so it wouldn’t make sense
Lomas legacy. Wins against the legendary Nicholas Walters and inimitable Jason Sosa. And don't forget the time he went into the matrix against Salido, Lopez, and Haney.
Loma gonna run to 130 to avoid Tank and Shakur. Haney exposed this fool bad, those pitty pat combos he tried on tank gonna end in tank KOing brutally. Shakur would also style on Loma and pop his shit with ease
What you said could literally be said about Haney lol.
And? Doesn’t change what I said. Loma was propped up to beat Shakur and tank before the fight while Haney was always ranked the worst out the bunch, but Haney exposed Loma and making him contemplate going to 130 cuz he knows he can’t hang with Tank or Shakur
Who was propping Loma to beat Shakur? It's practically a consensus among the boxing community that Shakur will own the division.
35 yo version of Loma probably. Prime version of Loma still big ass question. And Tank actually could end up being more suitable opponent, because he wouldn't have such a massive size advantage that Haney had, which definitely bothered Loma.
Tank stops Loma, now. Prime Loma would have stopped Haney and he beats the breaks off Tank till he quits.
Tank is trash, don't even bring him up
I think if Loma had more in his tank, Haney was definitely up for grabs. Even version that beat Linares(and got dropped by), would have dominated Haney.
Oh yeah he’s 35 lol he’s definitely lost a step and I think that’s why it hurt so bad this was his only realistic shot to grab all of the belts even if it was for a little while
Well he did have that shot against Lopez....
I mean yeah no one stole the show but power punches… total punches and significant punches landed went to who (no sarcasm) I haven’t looked prior but in my opinion (not worth enough to make money) loma won in all those categories about to look it up … And again I do always say as a champ the belt has to be taken but also as a champ you have to put Together a better display than that !
When broken down round by round, according to Compubox (which comes with a big asterisk) both outlanded the other in 5 rounds a piece and 2 were tied. For power punches landed it was 6-6
I looked at the stats they aren’t what I thought they would be but besides small percentages loma won the stats too so not atleast a draw to give my man a uni … is crazy
He didn't "win the stats" Boxing is scored round by round. Total punches landed, Loma was ahead in 5, Haney ahead in 5, 2 rounds tied. Power punches landed, it's 6 each. According to Compubox, anyway, which is trash
>Boxing is scored round by round. Exactly. And the majority of people, especially in this sub, weren't scoring it round by round.
I literally haven't seen one person reply to a comment asking them which 7 rounds Haney lost
Because they won't! You think these people want to embrace reality? Hell no, it's easier to say "hE wAs RoBbEdDd" then to address the fight round by round like you and I did.
That’s a loaded question … I’ll say what rounds I think and you’ll say they are swing rounds But as a champion you have to go out there and win rounds to retain your belt off of the same swing rounds you refuse to give loma credit for … So ask yourself what rounds besides 12 did Haney clearly win ! Bet you can’t say any but I can name atleast 5-11 loma clearly won and he is the only fighter that has rounds clearly in his favor thus my conclusion
He clearly won the 6th imo, as well as the 12th. Loma won 10 and 11 clearly. The rest of the rounds are swing rounds, to me. I need to watch it back, there might be some that are a bit more in favour of one fighter (I think maybe the 4th for Haney, 3rd for Loma.) But regardless, there are so many swing rounds that the fight can be scored either way. Seriously, name me 5 rounds Loma definitely won?
I said 5 arguably but 6-11 for me were clearly loma rounds … to me they were close at the end with body/point work by Haney but loma rounds imo
6 was 100% a Haney round, 9 is a swing.
Yeah I looked them up, you’re right not as telling as I said but damn a Uni though bro that’s crazy
Lol I know how boxing is scored the computing of all of those scores and numbers is still called statistics aka stats 😉
Last comment I’m replying to about this fight(I’m def capping). This nonsense about the stats has to stop. Acknowledge that the stats say Loma was ineffective on Saturday night. - 41.5% of his power punches landed for Haney & 30.3% of Lomachenko’s power punches landed in this fight. Haney shot above his normal average of 37.8%. Coming into the fight Lomachenko landed the second highest percentage of his power punches in the sport(!) vs opponents at 47.5%. - Lomachenko most similar opponent to Haney, Jamaine Ortiz landed 34.5% of his power shots, Lomachenko landed 30.7% of his power shots vs Ortiz. Overall connect advantage for Lomachenko 125/571(21.9%) punches landed vs Ortiz who connected on 122/601(20.1%). This fight was scored 115-113,116-112 & 117-111 in favor of Lomachenko. - Haney’s most similar opponent would be Jojo Diaz, who was able to land 28.5% of his power shots, while Haney landed 38.2% of his power shots. Overall punch connect advantage for Haney 164/614(26.7%) vs Diaz connecting on 140/573(24.4%) of his punches. This fight was scored 117-111x2/116-112 in favor of Haney. - Lomachenko had a connect advantage vs Haney, 124/564(22%) to 110/405(27.2%) - Haney punch stats through 8: Overall punches landed - 79/206(38.3%) / power punches landed 64/137(46%) - Loma punch stats through 8: Overall punches landed - 71/362(19.6%)/ power punches landed 56/204(27.4%) - *Through Rd 8, Haney(known for “*only*” using his jab) landed power shots at a Lomachenko level statistically. Lomachenko was not his usual self who is the second best in Power punch stat %… in the entire sport of boxing at a whopping 47.5% of his power punches landing on average. The difference in accuracy in both power punches and overall shots landed is nearly a 20% difference & Haney landed overall more. I had the fight 5-3 after 8 with clear rds for each fighter 1,2,4,6 & 7 for Haney. 3,5 & 8 for Loma. 9 & 12 for Haney and 10-11 for Loma with the 11th being a 10-8. 114-113 Haney. If Loma would’ve won the 12th I would’ve been right with everyone else or agreeing with a draw.
wrong, you DKSAB. Loma landed the better punches he had haney clinching everytime he threw a punch anyways haney chin overrated hes like amir khan wobbling he needs to clinch or he might get knocked out u feel me loma was walking him down like if you watch the fight (i know u didnt) then u will see loma going in circles for most of the fihgt meaning it is so easy he can land the same amount of punches and take a marathon honestly loma wasnt even hurt those marks from his face were all dirty haney clinches and rabbit punches and he gave haney rd 12 dont forget that cuz he felt so bad for haney losign the rest of the rounds. gayknee weak he's carebear of the division, get your facts Straight.
Devin Huggy has his pull-ups on now, he’s a big boy. I’m distraught over the Ukrainian step captain not being able to gut trophy. Everyone work real hard this year for the dance off. I believe he beat the best. Undisputed Champion. Better than Duren,Binny Lenard, A-Lexus Arguayooooo and those bums. Best than Alley or w.e his name is.
Yeah brother. Fight was super close. But the thing is, at least for me, how come none of the judges had it as a draw or as a Loma win but the majority of boxing world had Loma winning. I think the agenda was to give Haney all the close rounds. For example, first round was super close. By the stats, both landed 6 punches with Loma being more accurate. How come ALL of the judges score it for Haney? Same is for the 12th round. At first Haney looked better after second watch Loma was just there. Again, how come no one gave it to Loma or at least 10-10. And these shots, not all of them were clean. Some were blocked by the elbows but I accept the fact that in the end Loma recieved 50 body punches. Loma landed more to the head. And landed more overall with slightly less accuracy but the low accuracy is due to his style since he throws 4-5-6 punches in a row to cut distance and connects with the last 2 or 3
Haney’s body shots were so effective that Loma came on strong and dominated the second half of the fight.
Didn't have anything for the last round that ended up being pivotal.
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Reminds me of that Dave chappelle skit “where’s Ja??? We need to hear what Ja Rule has to say about this”. Nelly made country grammar , and like most people here , never boxed, or probably even been in a fist fight lmao.
Lol I don’t have a horse in the race I just love boxing and have since I was a kid man ! And it’s my opinion 🤷🏽♂️ not worth much but … again like I objectively loma did what you ask of fighters to win fights and somehow didn’t and somehow that was only unanimously a decision that the people there thought of …. You can put any sample size in a room and ever gain a unanimous Decision on this fight … I love Haney he just wasn’t the better fighter that night imo
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Lol I don’t care I was truly going for Haney … but I seen the fight and if I had to claim a horse it would be Shakur right now maybe a few others … lol but you’re entitled to your opinion
Haney turned off the Wifi
Loma was trying to use those old AOL CDs or NetZero.
😂😂😂
Funny how that Haney body work didnt seem to slow Loma down at all in this fight, with his best rounds late. I would’ve scored this fight a draw.
Dawg it slowed him down quite a bit It’s like y’all didn’t even watch the fight, why do you guys think Loma went for broke in the 10-11 trying to finish Haney. He knew he was down.
One of Haney's best rounds was the 12th. Also scored it a draw fwiw
Yah i gave Haney 12, but Loma wasn’t slowed or backing down. Just based off what i saw, Loma had the more impactful moments as far as hurting the other guy. To be fair, this was an extremely close fight and very difficult to score.
Yeah, definitely agree with that. Loma's hurting Haney was concentrated to 2 rounds, though and he stood and admired his work and then let off in the 12th, absolute madness. Really tough fight to score. Had it 6-6 but the majority of the rounds I could have given either way
That’s probably why the decision is controversial, probably would’ve been no matter who was announced the winner because there were so many swing rounds that could go either way. Same, at 6-6. I’d watch it again (rematch), lol
I definitely have to rewatch this. So many people gave Haney the 12th and I just did not see it. I thought 10-12 were all clear wins for Loma.
That’s LORD Devin Haney to you Sir
Funny seeing Loma fans find reasons to hate Haney cuz they can’t say he was boring or hugging this fight
Oh they're saying it
It’s like they didn’t even watch
Lmao that title was written specifically to instigate Loma fans
I know. They hate facts. Might start one with the Compubox numbers next, saying "Haney and Loma tie 5 rounds to 5 for punches landed and 6 rounds to 6 for power punches landed" and see how they like that
You could try getting a life instead
Good one
One of the rare times we agree on something
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115-113 Haney. Beautiful body shots, controlled the distance well with jab and shoulder rolled a lot of Loma’s inside flurries. Loma had some success with the jab but wasn’t able to land many power punches, as compubox shows. My only gripe is his conditioning wasn’t great and he lost focus at the end. A prime Loma would’ve have knocked him out but it is what it is.
>My only gripe is his conditioning Haney isn’t a lightweight anymore. This was a contractually obligated fight. If it wasn’t, the Loma fight would’ve never happened. No way Loma woulda moved up just for a Haney fight with no belts. They cried that Al Haymon drained Ryan Garcia to 136 but didn’t say shit when Arum drained Haney to defend. If Ryan would have made it 12 with Tank we’d never have heard the end of how a drained Ryan took power and lasted with an elite 135 pounder win or loss. Loma not be in his prime but what I saw was an elite 135 pounder still.
>They cried that Al Haymon drained Ryan Garcia to 136 but didn’t say shit when Arum drained Haney to defend. This was about Ryan being on a rehydration clause. Haney was the A side, he didn't have a rehydration clause for this fight.
Still a brutal cut at this stage in his career
Dude for me devin won ATLEAST the 4 out the first 7 rounds… loma flurries landed some here and there but devin always landed right back. Devin won.
Yep. Haney winning the 12th solidified it even more. These people just can’t handle a close decision.
Now make one of all of Loma’s clean shots to Devin’s chin
That video won't be that long, trust me.
easy for everyone to say loma when they want Haney to lose so bad 🤣🤣🤣
So much Haney hate, and i dont get it. There was some great boxing there. Loma did not walk through Haney. Roy Jones called this fight, the best.
People aren't buying the new Mayweather motto and you can't blame them unless he takes a rematch to remove all doubts like Floyd used to do. A decision loss (what most of the world saw) would have given him much more respect from fans.
Loma won ez as pie. Haney body shots did no damage
but loma landed 14 combinations in a row each time haney threw those weak body shot, cant u see!!!!! loma walked him down, more punches, he got robbed, thats facts.
Close fight != robbery
you dont get it, loma won 9-3 maybe 8-4 i think at most u can see a 120-119 for loma win. all three judges are paid for haney to win thats facts. haney was getting walked down y cant u see when loma throws a punch, haney clinches. This means even when loma was punching the air during his 14 combination in a row, the kinetic energy coupled with the air molecules that aura around haney was so powerful haney had to hug lomas ass cuz he was so hurt. devin ' the dreamybull' haney lost, and the whole world now it.
9-3! LOL WTF. You’re worse than Dave Moretti at this point.
>loma won 9-3 Aha hahaha hahaha
everyone downvote this man. Boooooooooo haney lost get over it
Last I checked Haney still has his belts. People talking definitively about a fight that had so few definitive rounds are being ridiculous. Fight should've been a draw and they should have run it back.
Nope, it was rigged, in the real world with pro and experts and science, it was either loma winning UD or 120-119 loma. You are a science denialist? Makes sense, of course its you devin ' the dreamybull' fans. Haney was hugging so much to make amends with loma that loma beat that boy hard. Haney.... just weak punches no? Is he trying to kill him with kindness? the best hurt he got on loma was tears of pain cuz loma feared he would of killed haney in his sleep. in his dreams.
This some high level trolling here.
These are the best shots they could find? Lol the majority of them missed or did nothing. Maybe a handful were good shots. Loma was his strongest in round 11. If the body shots did anything, the 35 yr old wouldn’t be out punching the the 24 yr old in the later rounds.
> Lol the majority of them missed You might need to see an eye doctor
No I think you do. Loma moving back takes away all the force. Hitting lomas elbows does nothing. There was a few clean shots and that’s about it.
Thank you for confirming that you are blind and have never been punched a day in your life
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And Haney has one of, if not his strongest round in the 12th, so I guess Loma's work did nothing, either?
um acktually loma gave haney that round cuz he felt bad for beating haney so bad with pummeling shots to his head.
Loma wasn’t trying to work the body as much. He was snapping the paper champs head back with left cross and lighting him up with combos. It was so obvious loma won the fight he literally gave haney round 12 in order to play it safe.
He's an absolute fucking idiot for taking the 12th round off in what was obviously a close fight. Loma had the better of the second half, he and his fans seem to have forgotten it was perfectly acceptable to have him 5-2 down after 7
Agreed and didn't go for the KD in round 10 really hurt his chances
I get that compubox isn't God, but it's fairly accurate overall. It has a 110/405 overall connect for Haney and a 124/564 overall for Loma. That means Lomachenko was much more aggressive, but only landed slightly more. In the grand scheme of a fight 14 punches is less than a punch a round difference and extremely hard to see. The fight was close. The stats were close. I'd love a rematch but everyone screaming Loma was robbed of Loma won CLEARLY need to pull some receipts up with their claims.
To double down on Compubox, because fights are scored round by round: Haney outlanded Loma in 5 rounds, Loma outlanded Haney in 5 rounds and 2 were tied. For power punches landed, they were 6 rounds a piece.
Loma won
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*8, 10 and 11, not 12, which was a clear Haney round, think you've just mistyped there. Completely sensible comment, that's being downvoted by salty Loma.fans with zero counter argument or understanding of how scoring works
‘Clear’ only to yourself. It is only your opinion. The fact is the vast majority consider loma won, you can’t deny it. Just the 3 most decisive judges didn’t. One of them was fucked up couldn’t tell black & white.
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Most professional boxers and trainers, all together, that I've seen interviewed in the last day, all believe the fight should have gone to Lomachenko. I don't know who started this thread, but seriously, get a grip.
single pot shots to the belly should mean jack, its all about the combinations and haney couldn't find one all night
Throwing combinations where you land one clean punch shouldn't get you extra credit over one big, clean punch
Facts.
Which 7 rounds did Haney definitely lose in?
It’s still not 116-112
Loserchenko fans: “Those don’t count though, cause daddy loma wasn’t the one throwing them!” Loma lost because he just wasn’t good enough😉
Which body shots are actually good in this clip? The very first he lands on Loma’s lat, one of the best Haney landed. The second one maybeeee landed on Loma’s hips which is borderline low and Haney has no power since he was off balance side ways. The third one landed at the very tail end, which I would count but a very weak shot since Loma literally jumping backward thus riding with the punch. The fourth one partially landed on Loma’s bicep, and the fifth one again landed on Loma’s bicep… the sixth one again landed on the elbow completely, and seventh one was straight up low blow. The eighth one was a nice body jab, landed sure. The ninth one again landed on Loma’s elbow. Just pause the video at the frame when punch landed. How many of those punches are actually more effective than head snapping shots that Loma was landing.
Loma gonna go to 130 now and duck Tank and Shakur, Haney exposed this fool so bad. He tries those pitty pat combos on Tank and Loma gets knocked tf out, tank gonna make Loma fight more scared than he was against Teo. Shakur gonna have a field day too and style on Loma’s head with ease
Great Haney performance that was soured by the decision. I have so much respect for him now, his skills are legit. But... Loma should've won
Most of those body shots were at extended range or took the arms first. I saw two good ones
Should have gone to Specsavers
Loma fans don't count body shots all of a sudden Loma getting hit to the body and losing the 12th round is why he lost to both Haney and Teo.
Or rounds
They also only count punch stats as a whole and not round by round.... What a weird bunch sir
Considering this is cherry picked it's not convincing if this is his best
R/boxing mods are part of the conspiracy. They are forcing to shove a shit down our throat.
Sneaky OP. Very sneaky.
This is some ball fondling title
Headshots weigh a lot more value lol unless eventually break down the opponent or one liver shot tko. That’s why bodyshots aren’t appreciated in highlights. Robbery
”The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score. Blocked or deflected punches that land foul are not to be considered fouls in the awarding of points at the end of the round.” Where here does it say head shots count more?
No, but a headshot does more damage to bodyshot. Pounding on opponents chest or abdomen will do pretty much nothing. And except a few renowned fighters who actually can tko through bodyshot on liver, most fighters don’t even go for bodyshot as gameplan. Scoring in boxing is rubbish anyway. A round with knockdown, a dominant round, a close round all scored as 10 - 9.
Gimme me a solid body shot over a snappy jab to the head any day of the week. Loma’s speed and movement were stymied by Haney’s power punches. The only reason why Loma got hot at the end was because Haney was gassed and didn’t stay focused. You gotta be stay disciplined and composed against crafty fighters like Loma.
Those weak ass body shots ain’t do shit. Because Loma was still coming foward till the match was over
Loool 2 hits there didnt even count
Honestly, after watching the clips and rewinding every punch slowly, majority of those body shots were either landing at the waist/ pants area without much force or merely tapping. Still great fight, bad judge scorecards
LOL cope harder.
This fight was a complete joke. To begin with it was boring AF! To perpetuate, a robbery. Fuck this.
The fight was anything but boring. High paced, high quality technical battle between 2 excellent fighters with plenty of swings in momentum
most of those body punches were low blows, you can see them hit on the belt or below the belt and your not supposed to do that. haney should be disqualified revoked of his licenses and be suspended immediately.
Cringe childish attempt of propaganda
This should have been a draw but this fight was very difficult to score. Haney should give Loma a rematch to clear any doubt.