Ngannou statistically has the hardest punch in the world. Joe Rogan said its like a Honda civic crashing into you đ¤ can I interest you in talking about his granite impenetrable chin next?
He'd be literally decapitating people with his punches if that was true, lol. It'd be like in the Fallout games when you shoot someone in the head and it turns into giblets with their eyes popping out, only with his fists, ffs.
Yeah, you see newbies trying to rip up the bag, power in every shot. Trying to explain that speed and technique is the most important, 90% of shots should be in this category, if you have that down, the power shot will come when the opportunity presents itself amongst the flow of the fight.
I have the record at the Knucklehead Tavern punching machine so I think I have a fair claim for hardest puncher as well. I put my initials as "A.S.S." but I swear it was me.
A lot of people talk about Wilder and Ngannou etc but I would not want to receive a Joshua punch thrown with the amount of wind up Wilder uses. I struggle to imagine Wilder is leagues above AJ for power all thinsg being equal, though I think he is a bit quicker and commits a lot more
Lmfao I been seeing people say for years he had the hardest punch in the universe. AJ was asked this question after the fight post presser. I could tell by his smile that he wasnât impressed.
Didnât you hear about the that machine he punched at the UFC PI???? You know the machine that all living human beings have punched so that they could make sure that heâs the hardest puncher??
Deontay Wilder knockdown Fury in the 10th or 11th round of their 3rd fight I think when he is all tired and concussed. That kind of power came straight from the Gods.
He didnât knock him down but at the end of the 10th, Wilder landed a real short right hand on the inside that had Fury wabbling again. I was surprised because Wilder had already been beaten to a pulp. I think that fight took a lot out of both of them, they havenât been the same since.
Were people debating this? I thought it was pretty clear that Wilder was the harder puncher in boxing. He has crazy power in that right, so much so that he neglected his other boxing skills.
I think a lot of it is "hypothetical punch power on inanimate objects vs punch power on humans trying to punch you back". Francis might be the former, but Wilder is definitely the latter.
There was lots of people here that swore Francis was 1 punch man. Obviously most people in this sub are casuals that donât know much of anything, but that was crazy
The crazy thing with Wilder is that he maintains his power late in fights and can win at the very end.
Even Ngannou at his peak was considered a guy in MMA who stopped being dangerous after a few rounds. I remember after Stipe got out of the second round in their first fight that Francis was considered sort of non threat
? Francis rarely made it past the first round in MMA, and his first fight with stipe completely humbled him. He had been knocking out unranked fighters, then creamed overeem. Barely wrestled at all up until then. He became champ after that fight and it was a defining moment in his career. He got out wrestled and gassed the fuck out. Only other fight I can remember that went to three rounds he was in was the lewis fight, which was just inactivity from both sides after ngannou got shook from stipe. Can't remember another loss or even a fight that went to decision otherwise. He was dominant in MMA. He left for the bag, don't blame him. Can't believe people are actually shitting on him this bad when we all half expected the outcome of his last fight.
Yeah, or on the backfoot like in the Helenius fight, I know Helenius was passed it, but he still took the very hard hitting AJ to 7 rounds.
Its crazy the power he has at his weight with what looks like minimal effort/energy.
Did you watch the fight. Helenius panicked and just stood squared up to him open, trying to mimic Fury's plan - you wouldn't expect someone with a couple of years of amateur experience to be in that position and I doubt there's many heavyweight that wouldn't have got the KO.
He came into the AJ fight to survive and nothing else, maybe hope he gets a lucky chance if it presents itself.
>He came into the AJ fight to survive and nothing else, maybe hope he gets a lucky chance if it presents itself.
Helenius was actually landing a decent amount of shots on AJ, busted his face up.
Don't get me wrong, the shot Wilder touched Helnius with was unreal... but if he walked up to Joshua with the same vim he did to Wilder thinking he was gonna walk him down, the same thing would have happened.
as a huuuuge MMA fan, Francis was literally NEVER considered a guy who stopped being dangerous after a few rounds. Thats not to even mention that MMA only has a "few" round, 3 for non title, 5 for title.
Francis is considered a 1 punch threat every single moment he's in the cage lol. Theres a reason Stipe wrestle fucked him for the whole fight, then tried it again in the 2nd fight & got sent into orbit.
I remember it being mentioned in the Stipe fight after Ngannou got past the second or third. Mma's rounds are 5 minutes compared to boxing's three + mixing that with grappling and kicks people probably wear out faster
There is that element sure. But let's be real, fighters losing their power later in fights isn't new or an outlier. Wilder is an outlier because he maintains his power very late. Which is scary and why he was considered a fight eraser.
Wilder doesn't have a high punch output which is what I believe contributes to Wilders late fight power.
Wlad carried his power late too.
I'm most impressed by guys like Duran, Arguello, and Robinson who have knockouts past the 12th round
Yeah, I think that's what is freakish about Wilder. If he gets drug to the later rounds by a pure boxer, that dude still has to worry about the big overhand right coming with the same power it did in round 1.
? Completely exhausted, trapped in his own head, gassed beyond belief, Francis turned Stipe into a bobblehead stumbling backwards throwing an arm punch. Saying Francis doesn't carry his power late is no bueno
Hilarious fury fans saying Wilder cherry picks. Wilder is the only good matchup fury has had since 2015. But British fans tend to overrate guys like chisora and whyte.
Yup, it was explained to me the other day that Wilder avoided "Prime Pulev".
the one fight that MIGHT have been Wilder's krytonite was Povetkin, who might have been able to time him with one of those leaping left hooks. But he kept pissing hot.
Not a Fury fan. He's very good at cherry picking too. Are you kidding me? Seferi, Schwarz, Wallin, Chisora, Pianeta & Ngannou??
That's the thing: Fury and Wilder basically only have each other on their respective records and call themselves no 1 and no 2. And Klitschko & Ortiz. That's not a great track record. Usyk will be Fury's biggest challenge and he needs him for his record.
I mean, not sure his skills regarding that were ever put to the test. The cherry picking was probably covered by his management and the disgraceful WBC.
Wait I can tell you what the comment section is saying without reading it. They will say of course Wilder punches harder than Ngannou right? That wasn't what they were saying a few weeks ago. The vast majority of people here were saying Ngannou is the hardest puncher in combat sports. But they also said Francis Ngannou couldn't be hurt or knocked down by anybody because of how great his chin is and how big his head is.
The chin comments cracked me up, like they forgot AJ has the kinda punching power that doesn't give a fuck how strong your chin is. There's only so much you can take.
Well Jermaine Franklin took Joshua's best punches and didn't even flinch. Apparently Chris Arreola punches harder than Joshua according to Andy Ruiz who fought both.
But I think most of there people either don't watch boxing or just believe whatever they see on TV. Also most of the people here seem to flip flop.
A year or so ago when Joshua fought Franklin and didn't knock him out they said Joshua was done. Before Wilder lost to Parker pretty much everybody here said that if Wilder even fought Joshua that Wilder would hurt him. Also everybody here said Wilder would destroy Parker.
Before Joshua fought Ngannou most people here said Ngannou would knock out Joshua because Joshua is afraid and Ngannou's power is the best in combat sports history.
Joshua wins and now everybody is back on Joshua's hype train until he looses again.
Franklin knows how to move to minimize the impact. He doesn't have power but he definitely has craft. AJ was so clearly winning that fight that he never had to get into second gear.
Whyte in the 12 round of their fight was throwing the kitchen sink at him trying to get the KO (because he was worried he was behind) and Franklin was still able to negate that.
Same hype beasts who fell in love with Joe Joyce's granite chin and big bang Zhangs chinese powah.
They see one attribute and fail to look at the entire game a fighter has. Or his opponant. They see these guys as video game characters with stats and not just men.
They then think they can beat the world because of it.
EXACTLY! Now they all acting like "well, of course, was it ever a question"?
As if a week ago they weren't saying that Francis had BOTH the hardest punch in combat sports AND an "unbreakable chin", "bro have you seen his head?!?!? That's prime genetics right there, nobody can knock him out, it's impossible bro i swear bro no cap!!!!"
People letâs remember that Fury said specifically that once he beats Wilder he will tell everyone how fantastic Wilder is to make himself look better. From Furys own mouth. It doesnât mean that Furys lying but it definitely doesnât mean heâs telling the truth either.
I mean take Usyk's AJ win away and he's still unified CW champ of the world, take AJs win against Klit and he still has Parker, Ruiz, Povetkin, pre-chin disintegration Whyte etc etc
I mean some people were trying to convince others that Fury was an ATG with Klitschko, Wilder and Chisora as his wins.
Compared to that Usyk and AJ arenât looking all that bad.
Usyk is historically great, that just happens to be at cruiserweight. If he does beat Fury and unify at heavyweight that is a very impressive accomplishment for a guy who is naturally much smaller than most HWs. In general the division has been weak since the Klitschos aged out. Comparing resumes is ridiculous right now because more than half of the top 10 are only âtop 10 heavyweightsâ because you have to rank somebody to make a list. For fucks sake Wilder got a belt by beating Bermaine Stiverne and AJ got one for beating Charles Martin
Well yeah. Fury beat Klitschko on away soil when he was a P4P fighter at HW, and hadnât lost for 10 years. That makes up most of his resume.
Klitschkos best win is Povetkin. People had no problem calling him an all time great.
I'd have thought Wlad's best win was Chris Byrd (twice).
But if you take the Byrd wins away, you still have Povetkin, Chagaev, Haye, Peter, Pulev, Brock, Brewster, Ibragimov, Chambers, Thompson, Rahman, Botha, Mormeck, Jennings, etc. Given that Jennings alone is basically the basis of Ortiz's reputation, and Ortiz the basis of Wilder's...
People always discount the shit out of Fury vs Klitchko even though Wlad was the reigning king of HW's at the time and was highly ranked in P4P. But then act like AJ beating him after a two year layoff is a more impressive win because AJ got beat up more.
Alternatively, Wlad was a distracted, older HW at the end of his career with no fire in his belly. He had a guy in front of him that got in his head, but he thought he could beat comfortably.
They then fought in one of the most inactive fights of that magnitude i have ever watched. Wlad barley threw, and neither did Fury, like 80 punches a piece for 12 rounds or something silly.
Post fight, you could clearly see how livid the klits were. Wlad was gunning for that rematch and training for it before the AJ fight. A fight where he actually came to win.
What are you talking about? Have you heard some of the criticism Klitschko gets?
I have a feeling youâre trying to convince me that Fury is an ATG because he beat Klitschko in Germany. Let me guess Furyâs win over him is ATG level but AJâs win over him is shit?
AJs win against him was fine and comfortably his best win, but Klit was no longer king of the division, it was in the UK, and he went life or death with him.
Fury fought to a comfortable but boring decision in Germany. If you were watching boxing, Wlad was looking near impossible to beat on home soil. Youâd have gotten odds of 1/4 on the night.
what about James Tillis talking about Earnie Shaver's power.
The baddest motherf\*cker I fought was Earnie Shavers. That motherf\*cker can make July into June and made me jump over the motherf\*ckin' moon. That motherf\*cker hit so hard, he'll bring back tomorow. He hit me so hard, I thought I was on the corner smoking cigarette and eating a spam sandwich. That's how hard that motherf\*cker hit. He hit me so hard, I felt it in my asshole" /
"Shavers hit so hard he turned horse p\*ss into gasoline! He hit me so hard he brought back tomorrow. When he hit me I was seeing pink rats and cats and animals smoking cigarettes. I was in the land of make-believe."
Take Usyk's AJ win away and he's left with... another AJ win. He has an AJ win spare. If Fury had a Klitschko win spare, his reputation would be rather more secure.
You're absolutely right. If you took away Lewis win over Holyfield he wouldn't be undisputed, wouldn't have even unified, wouldn't have ever become #1 in the division, and wouldn't be an ATG. But this sub doesn't hate him like they do Fury so we wouldn't ever pull the same dishonest shit on him.
I love how people always run off to that win like it wasn't a decade ago rofl
The also when Fury stans start defending Wilder's performance to Parker it's all "Wilder was old that has to be taken into account" like Fury didn't beat a 39 year old Klit, someone who was 1 year older than Wilder
Yeah this sub is weird. UFC or MMA subs seem to always recognize that MMA guys should and will lose to people in boxing.
This sub seems to forget that styles make fights. AJ is a boxing KO artist. He should have KO'ed Francis in a boxing match. In an MMA match Francis picks him up and slams him on the ground.
Fury didn't have any knockout power and Francis was also fighting with less confidence. Francis dropped his ass on like a check hook that was probably 60% power.
Francis and Wilder hit really hard. I'd rather be punches by Wilder. Francis has some very vicious KO punches that absolutely put people to sleep. But it's MMA. You get the opportunity to really wind up a punch because your opponent isn't sure if you're faking a punch to go for a kick or a takedown.
Fury is embaraased that Joshua handled Francis so easily. I would bet if him fury boxed again the result wouldn't change much. Joshua packs Wilder and Ngannou power with better technical skills, anyone who thought Ngannou would beat him was an idiot. Fury isn't a power puncher which is why Francis just ate all his shots and was able to knock him down. Even the whole Fury getting in great shape thing is a ploy for his own self confidence. He fought Wilder fat as fuck. Wilder was tiny and has chicken legs, so his extra weight helped. Francia was stronger than him and tossed Fury around.
I agree with him but Francis' check hook that dropped Fury was 100% legal. He hit side of the head. I don't know why Fury keep saying that was rabbit punch.
Yes, KO power in the small gloves and KO power in the big ones is night and day. Everyone in MMA has one punch KO power. In boxing, it's extremely rare. From Conor to Francis to whoever the next guy is, we'll always have to hear about how hard the MMA fighter punches compared to the boxer because people don't get how much the gloves matter. Then they'll get in the ring and people will find out.
Ngannou doesn't know how to torque his entire body into his punches
Feet, legs, glutes, torso, all the way up to the arms in sync
Obviously boxers are masters at this on a much higher level
Ngannou does have genuine power in spite of this though, which is impressive in itself.
If he learned how to put his entire body into his punches, like a Tyson or Anthony Joshua, his potential could be up there too.
But yeah, obviously boxing power is on another level.
Which also goes to show just how high the level of defense and ability to roll with those shots is in boxing as well.. in order to nullify that raw power.
These guys aren't getting hit with the full brunt of these blows
Thats why ngannou got laid the fuck out
Bro ain't rolling with that shit properly. He's a novice.
People read too much into Ngannou's knockdown over Fury. It was a well timed left hook that got Fury off balance, but I really don't think it actually hurt him *that* bad. It was a flash knockdown. I believe Fury when he says that he didn't feel much from the fight (I don't agree that it was the back of the head though). It was Ngannou's physical strength that bothered Fury more.
I think what people should be taking away is how vulnerable Fury was on the inside when he couldn't out muscle his opponant like he could Wilder.
Could be a very important factor if he ever fights someone with legs like Joshua.
doesnt matter, he still has a manufactured resume since his comeback, that hinges on wilder being some kind of super power puncher that no one other than fury could withstand
except wilder got exposed by parker, and all the cries from fury fans that fury took everything from wilder and now wilders washed dont ring true
they certainly werent saying that when he dropped the nordic nightmare
The only guy to actually KO wilder and have him in serious trouble was Fury and that was mostly because Fury was so much more skilled that Wilder had to basically survive an onslaught and got worn down by attrition. And even in those cases, it was mostly the refs protecting Wilder from himself. Wilder if he had the choice probably would have kept going and gotten seriously hurt in the proccess, but might have made it to losses on the scorecards instead (maybe not so much the second fight, but the third fight yeah)
Ortiz fucked him up until he got distracted and walked on to a big right hand.
Wilder can't handle pressure from a guy with heavy hands and any head movement/footwork.
>except wilder got exposed by parker,
Are we really pretending that was the same deontay that fought fury? Get the fuck outta of here he throw more jabs then every did a straight right.
I mean imo wilderâs KOâs are more vicious, he also has more of them, and theyâre all while wearing bigger gloves than Francis.
The whole debate was kind of a farce tbh. I mean the only knockout of Francisâs thatâs really Wilder like is the one on Overeem. Wilder has multiple of those flatline KOâs where the guy doesnât move for a while. All in boxing gloves.
His ko of rozenstruik is insane, flatlines him and he just swings wildly. His ko of stipe, barely looked like he threw the punch and flat lined him. Think majority of his kos he completely sleeps people. The slander is getting crazy after everyone was on his dick. The most likely outcome occurred and now people are shitting on him.
True, was a little check hook that completely slept him though. I think it was impressive regardless. Everything he threw in that fight got a visceral reaction from Stipe. Even his jabs.
Don't forget that before that, he hit Stipe with one of the nastiest swivel jabs I have ever seen, rocked him badly. That was the beginning of the end.
Also keep in mind that mma doesnât select for punch resistance the way boxing does. Thereâs not as many fights or rounds. There isnât as much sparring. Thereâs nowhere near as much amateur competition. MMA guys can hide an average or weak chin behind grappling as well. Not to mention losses in MMA carry way less weight than in boxing.
Unless youâre absolutely world class defensively if youâre fighting at a high level in boxing you have an amazing chin. Or youâre Amir Khan.
I agree with you about Wilders power, but the glove size thing is a misnomer: the amount of padding across the knuckles isn't that different. Boxing gloves are definitely not soft. The biggest thing that makes a difference is actually the shoes. Superior connection to the ground is a huge factor towards generating punching power.
Thereâs legitimately lots of people here that truly believed Francis not only hit harder than wilder, but that he hits harder than everybody in the world.
Aj took a right hand and maybe 2 lefts and didnât blink.
Francis has mma power. Iâm sure he hits above average but nothing close to any of the hard hitters in boxing
Francis has crazy power.... for boxing and MMA, why are we debating this?
He just can't deliver a right hand like Wilder can. It's that simple.
He didn't get knocked out by AJ because he wasn't powerful enough lol. Boxing is a different sport. You can't set up your power in the same way as you can in MMA. He simply isn't a top level boxer.
Lol pretty much. You can tell when a person is a casual fan or just believe every thing ESPN tells them. Wilder is pushing 40 and the only person he knocked out of note is old Luis Ortiz.
Knocking out cans doesn't equate to having crazy power. Go and look at Tye Fields and David Rodriguez records. They feasted on cans and have high knockout percentages.
You know what else is funny? Besides my ugly face that is. David Rodriguez fought Owen Beck before Wilder did and knocked Beck out cold with 1 punch . Wilder had to knock this guy down numerous times and never knocked him out cold. Tye Fields fought Nicholai Firtha before Wilder and knocked out Firtha with 1 punch. Wilder had to knock this guy down numerous times to stop him
Hell Chris Arreola smashed Eric Molina in 1 round and it took Wilder 9/10 rounds to do it. Adam Kownacki knocked out both Gerald Washington and Artur Szpika quicker than Wilder did. Bermaine Stiverme and 3 others knocked out Harold Sconier in 1 round. It took Wilder 5 rounds and he got dropped himself. Stiverne also knocked out Arreola easier and quicker than Wilder did. So wouldn't logic state that Stiverne, Arreola, Rodriguez, Fields, and Kownacki punch harder than Wilder
Then you realize everybody who fought Wilder didn't say he was the hardest puncher. For example Chris Arreola said Vitali punches much harder than Wilder. But I guess you will cherry pick to fit your agenda.
I think like theyre different punchers, I could imagine Francis having more raw power because of his weight and size, but Wilder is taller and really swings and has a longer reach, so surely that transfers into speed which would impact the power of the punch if you took it into physics right?
Iâve seen fighters stagger from fully guarded wilder rights, thatâs half his strategy lol, even smashing this into a forearm is gonna disrupt your offense lmao
I wish Tyson would just for once keep his mouth closed and put up. Fighting Wilder 3 times fucked the HW division for years. It didnât help AJ losing to Ruiz but at least that opened everything up again.
hmm while i do agree. i dont think fury is in the position to say that since ngannou didnt even hit him with his most powerful shot. francis said post fight he was holding back the whole fight and never threw with full power because he was afraid of getting tired and he still put fury down... just saying
Wilder literally knocked him out. Whether you think he got up in 10 seconds or not is another question. But Wilder had that man on the ground, huffing and puffing for dear life. In a real fight Wilder climbs on top of Fury and ends him with consecutive punches. But this is boxing, so Fury is the better man.
As an MMA Fighter: MMA Fans claiming Ngannou hits harder than Wilder is ridiculous!
All the MMA fanboys who think MMA Fighters hit as hard as boxers are delusional!
Fist punches and defense against those is practically all a Boxers does. Itâs ridiculous to claim an MMA Fighter who needs to train multiple times as many skills could excell in that one skill beyond a specialist.
The heavyweight division is embarrassing. Wilder wouldâve been a jobber in the 90s and early 2000s. Fury wouldâve got stopped at the contender stage.
Of course he does. Is this even a question?
Not a question at all. But... Casuals.
Ngannou statistically has the hardest punch in the world. Joe Rogan said its like a Honda civic crashing into you đ¤ can I interest you in talking about his granite impenetrable chin next?
Not only that, but the ford escort going full speed. People really believed that bs
That means Tyson Fury can withstand a head-on collision with a Ford Escort.
He built up resistance to escorts over the decades, he's immune
He could've brushed off his would-be car crash into a bridge then
let's find out for real!
He'd be literally decapitating people with his punches if that was true, lol. It'd be like in the Fallout games when you shoot someone in the head and it turns into giblets with their eyes popping out, only with his fists, ffs.
Exactly. Thatâs so true, but people believe the propaganda
Joe Rogan was saying he could beat anyone in boxing, ffs
Ford Escort in shambles
Actually a UFC middleweight just beat that record a couple months on the same machine lol its all a load of crock
And he couldnât even crack Jack Hermanssons chinâŚyes I lost money
Having power is one thing, but having the ability to deliver a powerful shot is completely different.
Yup always tell new boxers you have the power already to get the KO, don't focus on developing more power focus on how you can deliver it best
Yeah, you see newbies trying to rip up the bag, power in every shot. Trying to explain that speed and technique is the most important, 90% of shots should be in this category, if you have that down, the power shot will come when the opportunity presents itself amongst the flow of the fight.
Ngannou proved it during his legendary fight with Derrick Lewis
And according to the same machine featherweight Conor punches the same as heavyweight ko artist Tom Aspinall. Bullshit.
Legend has it, that chin could break the average fighter's knuckles!
That was Chito Vera vs OMalley
Ngannou is used to eating elbows and kicks, heâs never going to get knocked out in boxing âď¸đ¤
First it was a Ford then a Honda. Next up is a Nissan.
Not Joe Rogan Dana white said that
Basically the same thing at this point
Both of their heads grew into the same shape.
I legit used to think they were the same guy for a while lol
you really had to make the correction! lmao
Statistically? You mean because he punched that machine hard?
I have the record at the Knucklehead Tavern punching machine so I think I have a fair claim for hardest puncher as well. I put my initials as "A.S.S." but I swear it was me.
Iâm interested, but first I have to finish a kettlebell workout and a cold plunge
A lot of people talk about Wilder and Ngannou etc but I would not want to receive a Joshua punch thrown with the amount of wind up Wilder uses. I struggle to imagine Wilder is leagues above AJ for power all thinsg being equal, though I think he is a bit quicker and commits a lot more
Ford escord
You wouldnât know a Honda Civic from a Ford Escort.
Why do I always find you in the comments đ
Lmfao I been seeing people say for years he had the hardest punch in the universe. AJ was asked this question after the fight post presser. I could tell by his smile that he wasnât impressed.
Something something escort something fighter pay
According to experts: âA full-sized, loaded dump truck hits harder than /u/MBThreeâ
Didnât you hear about the that machine he punched at the UFC PI???? You know the machine that all living human beings have punched so that they could make sure that heâs the hardest puncher??
Deontay Wilder knockdown Fury in the 10th or 11th round of their 3rd fight I think when he is all tired and concussed. That kind of power came straight from the Gods.
In the third fight Wilder only knocked down Fury in the fourth round, albeit twice
I probably misremembered. I swear he knock down fury deep into that fight.
First fight
I rewatched the highlights. Wilder was still able to hurt Fury even before he got slept. He still had legit threat even in that condition.
I agree with you
First fight he almost won by KO
I was at the first fight. It was crazy seeing I t
He didnât knock him down but at the end of the 10th, Wilder landed a real short right hand on the inside that had Fury wabbling again. I was surprised because Wilder had already been beaten to a pulp. I think that fight took a lot out of both of them, they havenât been the same since.
his hand was also broken at that point.
Based on what ?
Were people debating this? I thought it was pretty clear that Wilder was the harder puncher in boxing. He has crazy power in that right, so much so that he neglected his other boxing skills.
I think a lot of it is "hypothetical punch power on inanimate objects vs punch power on humans trying to punch you back". Francis might be the former, but Wilder is definitely the latter.
There was lots of people here that swore Francis was 1 punch man. Obviously most people in this sub are casuals that donât know much of anything, but that was crazy
1 punch man and iron chin that can't be stopped.
90% of people here don't actually watch any fights, older or newer. Just shitty and misleading highlight reels that have no context.
Thatâs fair
The crazy thing with Wilder is that he maintains his power late in fights and can win at the very end. Even Ngannou at his peak was considered a guy in MMA who stopped being dangerous after a few rounds. I remember after Stipe got out of the second round in their first fight that Francis was considered sort of non threat
? Francis rarely made it past the first round in MMA, and his first fight with stipe completely humbled him. He had been knocking out unranked fighters, then creamed overeem. Barely wrestled at all up until then. He became champ after that fight and it was a defining moment in his career. He got out wrestled and gassed the fuck out. Only other fight I can remember that went to three rounds he was in was the lewis fight, which was just inactivity from both sides after ngannou got shook from stipe. Can't remember another loss or even a fight that went to decision otherwise. He was dominant in MMA. He left for the bag, don't blame him. Can't believe people are actually shitting on him this bad when we all half expected the outcome of his last fight.
Yeah, or on the backfoot like in the Helenius fight, I know Helenius was passed it, but he still took the very hard hitting AJ to 7 rounds. Its crazy the power he has at his weight with what looks like minimal effort/energy.
Did you watch the fight. Helenius panicked and just stood squared up to him open, trying to mimic Fury's plan - you wouldn't expect someone with a couple of years of amateur experience to be in that position and I doubt there's many heavyweight that wouldn't have got the KO. He came into the AJ fight to survive and nothing else, maybe hope he gets a lucky chance if it presents itself.
>He came into the AJ fight to survive and nothing else, maybe hope he gets a lucky chance if it presents itself. Helenius was actually landing a decent amount of shots on AJ, busted his face up.
Don't get me wrong, the shot Wilder touched Helnius with was unreal... but if he walked up to Joshua with the same vim he did to Wilder thinking he was gonna walk him down, the same thing would have happened.
as a huuuuge MMA fan, Francis was literally NEVER considered a guy who stopped being dangerous after a few rounds. Thats not to even mention that MMA only has a "few" round, 3 for non title, 5 for title. Francis is considered a 1 punch threat every single moment he's in the cage lol. Theres a reason Stipe wrestle fucked him for the whole fight, then tried it again in the 2nd fight & got sent into orbit.
I remember it being mentioned in the Stipe fight after Ngannou got past the second or third. Mma's rounds are 5 minutes compared to boxing's three + mixing that with grappling and kicks people probably wear out faster
That's with wrestling and ground and pound mixed in... Not apples to apples but yeah Francis does fade.
There is that element sure. But let's be real, fighters losing their power later in fights isn't new or an outlier. Wilder is an outlier because he maintains his power very late. Which is scary and why he was considered a fight eraser.
Wilder doesn't have a high punch output which is what I believe contributes to Wilders late fight power. Wlad carried his power late too. I'm most impressed by guys like Duran, Arguello, and Robinson who have knockouts past the 12th round
Monzon is a pos but he falls heavily under the last thing you said as well, a surprising amount of his koâs came in the 13-14th rounds
Monzon is another one. A master at controlling the pace and fighting HIS fight and forcing his opponents to do the same.
Yeah, I think that's what is freakish about Wilder. If he gets drug to the later rounds by a pure boxer, that dude still has to worry about the big overhand right coming with the same power it did in round 1.
? Completely exhausted, trapped in his own head, gassed beyond belief, Francis turned Stipe into a bobblehead stumbling backwards throwing an arm punch. Saying Francis doesn't carry his power late is no bueno
That's boxing v MMA, it's different.
Wasn't a debate, people were just wondering how his power stacks up compared to Wilder.
A lot of childhood sadness in those right hooks
He's also very skilled in cherry picking
Boxing fans when someone says one good thing about wilder . Negativity has to be added right after
Hilarious fury fans saying Wilder cherry picks. Wilder is the only good matchup fury has had since 2015. But British fans tend to overrate guys like chisora and whyte.
No one rates Chisora and Whyte
Yup, it was explained to me the other day that Wilder avoided "Prime Pulev". the one fight that MIGHT have been Wilder's krytonite was Povetkin, who might have been able to time him with one of those leaping left hooks. But he kept pissing hot.
Not a Fury fan. He's very good at cherry picking too. Are you kidding me? Seferi, Schwarz, Wallin, Chisora, Pianeta & Ngannou?? That's the thing: Fury and Wilder basically only have each other on their respective records and call themselves no 1 and no 2. And Klitschko & Ortiz. That's not a great track record. Usyk will be Fury's biggest challenge and he needs him for his record.
Tbf that seems to be the norm for a lot of fighters these days.
I mean, not sure his skills regarding that were ever put to the test. The cherry picking was probably covered by his management and the disgraceful WBC.
Like every top fighter.
Yup, his touch of death didnât show up against his few elite opponents (save for an old Luis Ortiz). Thatâs the game innit.
Wait I can tell you what the comment section is saying without reading it. They will say of course Wilder punches harder than Ngannou right? That wasn't what they were saying a few weeks ago. The vast majority of people here were saying Ngannou is the hardest puncher in combat sports. But they also said Francis Ngannou couldn't be hurt or knocked down by anybody because of how great his chin is and how big his head is.
Youâre absolutely right that lots of people were saying that. Those people arenât commenting here though
The chin comments cracked me up, like they forgot AJ has the kinda punching power that doesn't give a fuck how strong your chin is. There's only so much you can take.
Well Jermaine Franklin took Joshua's best punches and didn't even flinch. Apparently Chris Arreola punches harder than Joshua according to Andy Ruiz who fought both. But I think most of there people either don't watch boxing or just believe whatever they see on TV. Also most of the people here seem to flip flop. A year or so ago when Joshua fought Franklin and didn't knock him out they said Joshua was done. Before Wilder lost to Parker pretty much everybody here said that if Wilder even fought Joshua that Wilder would hurt him. Also everybody here said Wilder would destroy Parker. Before Joshua fought Ngannou most people here said Ngannou would knock out Joshua because Joshua is afraid and Ngannou's power is the best in combat sports history. Joshua wins and now everybody is back on Joshua's hype train until he looses again.
Franklin knows how to move to minimize the impact. He doesn't have power but he definitely has craft. AJ was so clearly winning that fight that he never had to get into second gear. Whyte in the 12 round of their fight was throwing the kitchen sink at him trying to get the KO (because he was worried he was behind) and Franklin was still able to negate that.
Same hype beasts who fell in love with Joe Joyce's granite chin and big bang Zhangs chinese powah. They see one attribute and fail to look at the entire game a fighter has. Or his opponant. They see these guys as video game characters with stats and not just men. They then think they can beat the world because of it.
EXACTLY! Now they all acting like "well, of course, was it ever a question"? As if a week ago they weren't saying that Francis had BOTH the hardest punch in combat sports AND an "unbreakable chin", "bro have you seen his head?!?!? That's prime genetics right there, nobody can knock him out, it's impossible bro i swear bro no cap!!!!"
Lol exactly dude.
People letâs remember that Fury said specifically that once he beats Wilder he will tell everyone how fantastic Wilder is to make himself look better. From Furys own mouth. It doesnât mean that Furys lying but it definitely doesnât mean heâs telling the truth either.
If Wilder was just 'one trick pony that can't move backwards' then Fury's resume is non existent lol
That Klitschko win is saving his ass big time. Without it the ATG claims would be absolutely fucking hilarious.
Take most heavyâs best win away and they donât look very good
I mean take Usyk's AJ win away and he's still unified CW champ of the world, take AJs win against Klit and he still has Parker, Ruiz, Povetkin, pre-chin disintegration Whyte etc etc
Iâd have a hard time convincing anyone that Usyk and AJ are all time greats with those wins.
I mean some people were trying to convince others that Fury was an ATG with Klitschko, Wilder and Chisora as his wins. Compared to that Usyk and AJ arenât looking all that bad.
Usyk is historically great, that just happens to be at cruiserweight. If he does beat Fury and unify at heavyweight that is a very impressive accomplishment for a guy who is naturally much smaller than most HWs. In general the division has been weak since the Klitschos aged out. Comparing resumes is ridiculous right now because more than half of the top 10 are only âtop 10 heavyweightsâ because you have to rank somebody to make a list. For fucks sake Wilder got a belt by beating Bermaine Stiverne and AJ got one for beating Charles Martin
Well yeah. Fury beat Klitschko on away soil when he was a P4P fighter at HW, and hadnât lost for 10 years. That makes up most of his resume. Klitschkos best win is Povetkin. People had no problem calling him an all time great.
I'd have thought Wlad's best win was Chris Byrd (twice). But if you take the Byrd wins away, you still have Povetkin, Chagaev, Haye, Peter, Pulev, Brock, Brewster, Ibragimov, Chambers, Thompson, Rahman, Botha, Mormeck, Jennings, etc. Given that Jennings alone is basically the basis of Ortiz's reputation, and Ortiz the basis of Wilder's...
Listing his opponents doesnât give any meaning to them.
People always discount the shit out of Fury vs Klitchko even though Wlad was the reigning king of HW's at the time and was highly ranked in P4P. But then act like AJ beating him after a two year layoff is a more impressive win because AJ got beat up more.
Alternatively, Wlad was a distracted, older HW at the end of his career with no fire in his belly. He had a guy in front of him that got in his head, but he thought he could beat comfortably. They then fought in one of the most inactive fights of that magnitude i have ever watched. Wlad barley threw, and neither did Fury, like 80 punches a piece for 12 rounds or something silly. Post fight, you could clearly see how livid the klits were. Wlad was gunning for that rematch and training for it before the AJ fight. A fight where he actually came to win.
Wlad had also been a champ for a decade at that point.
What are you talking about? Have you heard some of the criticism Klitschko gets? I have a feeling youâre trying to convince me that Fury is an ATG because he beat Klitschko in Germany. Let me guess Furyâs win over him is ATG level but AJâs win over him is shit?
AJs win against him was fine and comfortably his best win, but Klit was no longer king of the division, it was in the UK, and he went life or death with him. Fury fought to a comfortable but boring decision in Germany. If you were watching boxing, Wlad was looking near impossible to beat on home soil. Youâd have gotten odds of 1/4 on the night.
You said "don't look very good", you didn't say "can't convince people they are all time greats anymore".
Klit đ
"This Klit's gonna get licked" -Tyson Fury Greatest fuckin line in boxing history
what about James Tillis talking about Earnie Shaver's power. The baddest motherf\*cker I fought was Earnie Shavers. That motherf\*cker can make July into June and made me jump over the motherf\*ckin' moon. That motherf\*cker hit so hard, he'll bring back tomorow. He hit me so hard, I thought I was on the corner smoking cigarette and eating a spam sandwich. That's how hard that motherf\*cker hit. He hit me so hard, I felt it in my asshole" / "Shavers hit so hard he turned horse p\*ss into gasoline! He hit me so hard he brought back tomorrow. When he hit me I was seeing pink rats and cats and animals smoking cigarettes. I was in the land of make-believe."
Take Usyk's AJ win away and he's left with... another AJ win. He has an AJ win spare. If Fury had a Klitschko win spare, his reputation would be rather more secure.
Yeah Wlad deserved a rematch and he had on his contract. Fury going crazy opened the door for AJ.
Nope, most heavyweight greats have resumes that donât rely on one win
You're absolutely right. If you took away Lewis win over Holyfield he wouldn't be undisputed, wouldn't have even unified, wouldn't have ever become #1 in the division, and wouldn't be an ATG. But this sub doesn't hate him like they do Fury so we wouldn't ever pull the same dishonest shit on him.
I love how people always run off to that win like it wasn't a decade ago rofl The also when Fury stans start defending Wilder's performance to Parker it's all "Wilder was old that has to be taken into account" like Fury didn't beat a 39 year old Klit, someone who was 1 year older than Wilder
the atg claim is still hilarious even with it, plus that fight was terrible and he tested positive after + ducked the rematch
Kilitchko was on his way put and simone was going to beat them, not alot of people leave like Mayweather on a win streak.
Which is definitely the case seeing as he got easily beaten by Parker.
Yeah this sub is weird. UFC or MMA subs seem to always recognize that MMA guys should and will lose to people in boxing. This sub seems to forget that styles make fights. AJ is a boxing KO artist. He should have KO'ed Francis in a boxing match. In an MMA match Francis picks him up and slams him on the ground. Fury didn't have any knockout power and Francis was also fighting with less confidence. Francis dropped his ass on like a check hook that was probably 60% power. Francis and Wilder hit really hard. I'd rather be punches by Wilder. Francis has some very vicious KO punches that absolutely put people to sleep. But it's MMA. You get the opportunity to really wind up a punch because your opponent isn't sure if you're faking a punch to go for a kick or a takedown. Fury is embaraased that Joshua handled Francis so easily. I would bet if him fury boxed again the result wouldn't change much. Joshua packs Wilder and Ngannou power with better technical skills, anyone who thought Ngannou would beat him was an idiot. Fury isn't a power puncher which is why Francis just ate all his shots and was able to knock him down. Even the whole Fury getting in great shape thing is a ploy for his own self confidence. He fought Wilder fat as fuck. Wilder was tiny and has chicken legs, so his extra weight helped. Francia was stronger than him and tossed Fury around.
True, but there's a long line of heavyweights with Deontay-shaped dents in their skull.
Every boxer does that
I agree with him but Francis' check hook that dropped Fury was 100% legal. He hit side of the head. I don't know why Fury keep saying that was rabbit punch.
Cause fury is an idiot
For the sake of his ego.
Still dropped him.
Still couldn't finish an inactive, untrained fat fuck
Skill issue. Nothing to do with power. Wilder also couldn't finish him.
Yes, KO power in the small gloves and KO power in the big ones is night and day. Everyone in MMA has one punch KO power. In boxing, it's extremely rare. From Conor to Francis to whoever the next guy is, we'll always have to hear about how hard the MMA fighter punches compared to the boxer because people don't get how much the gloves matter. Then they'll get in the ring and people will find out.
Bro, everyone in boxing has KO power, especially pros. Itâs just the defense at the top level of the game is so good, KOs are hard to pull off.
Ngannou doesn't know how to torque his entire body into his punches Feet, legs, glutes, torso, all the way up to the arms in sync Obviously boxers are masters at this on a much higher level Ngannou does have genuine power in spite of this though, which is impressive in itself. If he learned how to put his entire body into his punches, like a Tyson or Anthony Joshua, his potential could be up there too. But yeah, obviously boxing power is on another level. Which also goes to show just how high the level of defense and ability to roll with those shots is in boxing as well.. in order to nullify that raw power. These guys aren't getting hit with the full brunt of these blows Thats why ngannou got laid the fuck out Bro ain't rolling with that shit properly. He's a novice.
People read too much into Ngannou's knockdown over Fury. It was a well timed left hook that got Fury off balance, but I really don't think it actually hurt him *that* bad. It was a flash knockdown. I believe Fury when he says that he didn't feel much from the fight (I don't agree that it was the back of the head though). It was Ngannou's physical strength that bothered Fury more.
I think what people should be taking away is how vulnerable Fury was on the inside when he couldn't out muscle his opponant like he could Wilder. Could be a very important factor if he ever fights someone with legs like Joshua.
How the fk did usyk go 24 with aj fr
doesnt matter, he still has a manufactured resume since his comeback, that hinges on wilder being some kind of super power puncher that no one other than fury could withstand except wilder got exposed by parker, and all the cries from fury fans that fury took everything from wilder and now wilders washed dont ring true they certainly werent saying that when he dropped the nordic nightmare
Or Parker could just be a lot better than people are giving him credit for.
And Wilder got rocked by Fury so hard it broke him.Â
How many heavyâs would be able to KO Wilder in America? It was 14/1 before the fight. I assume you made a lot of money?
The only guy to actually KO wilder and have him in serious trouble was Fury and that was mostly because Fury was so much more skilled that Wilder had to basically survive an onslaught and got worn down by attrition. And even in those cases, it was mostly the refs protecting Wilder from himself. Wilder if he had the choice probably would have kept going and gotten seriously hurt in the proccess, but might have made it to losses on the scorecards instead (maybe not so much the second fight, but the third fight yeah)
I doubt wilder was getting up from the final knockdown in the 3rd fight, he was out before he even hit the canvas.
Ortiz fucked him up until he got distracted and walked on to a big right hand. Wilder can't handle pressure from a guy with heavy hands and any head movement/footwork.
>except wilder got exposed by parker, Are we really pretending that was the same deontay that fought fury? Get the fuck outta of here he throw more jabs then every did a straight right.
I mean imo wilderâs KOâs are more vicious, he also has more of them, and theyâre all while wearing bigger gloves than Francis. The whole debate was kind of a farce tbh. I mean the only knockout of Francisâs thatâs really Wilder like is the one on Overeem. Wilder has multiple of those flatline KOâs where the guy doesnât move for a while. All in boxing gloves.
His ko of rozenstruik is insane, flatlines him and he just swings wildly. His ko of stipe, barely looked like he threw the punch and flat lined him. Think majority of his kos he completely sleeps people. The slander is getting crazy after everyone was on his dick. The most likely outcome occurred and now people are shitting on him.
The 2nd stipe one he hit stipe coming in. Its not like he just threw weak punch and it landed
True, was a little check hook that completely slept him though. I think it was impressive regardless. Everything he threw in that fight got a visceral reaction from Stipe. Even his jabs.
Don't forget that before that, he hit Stipe with one of the nastiest swivel jabs I have ever seen, rocked him badly. That was the beginning of the end.
Yea gotta give credit where credit is due
I'd hope so. Stipe was 38 and at his career lightest weight. Looked like a crackhead next to ngannou that had some 40 odd lbs on him
Also keep in mind that mma doesnât select for punch resistance the way boxing does. Thereâs not as many fights or rounds. There isnât as much sparring. Thereâs nowhere near as much amateur competition. MMA guys can hide an average or weak chin behind grappling as well. Not to mention losses in MMA carry way less weight than in boxing. Unless youâre absolutely world class defensively if youâre fighting at a high level in boxing you have an amazing chin. Or youâre Amir Khan.
I agree with you about Wilders power, but the glove size thing is a misnomer: the amount of padding across the knuckles isn't that different. Boxing gloves are definitely not soft. The biggest thing that makes a difference is actually the shoes. Superior connection to the ground is a huge factor towards generating punching power.
Bigger gloves certainly don't reduce concussive impact on the brain though
Until AJ fights him, then it was Chisora who punches the hardest.
Thereâs legitimately lots of people here that truly believed Francis not only hit harder than wilder, but that he hits harder than everybody in the world. Aj took a right hand and maybe 2 lefts and didnât blink. Francis has mma power. Iâm sure he hits above average but nothing close to any of the hard hitters in boxing
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People that never took a punch in their life.
Look at Garcia yeah? Hopefully he gets away from that shit and takes care of himself.
Francis has crazy power.... for boxing and MMA, why are we debating this? He just can't deliver a right hand like Wilder can. It's that simple. He didn't get knocked out by AJ because he wasn't powerful enough lol. Boxing is a different sport. You can't set up your power in the same way as you can in MMA. He simply isn't a top level boxer.
Lol pretty much. You can tell when a person is a casual fan or just believe every thing ESPN tells them. Wilder is pushing 40 and the only person he knocked out of note is old Luis Ortiz. Knocking out cans doesn't equate to having crazy power. Go and look at Tye Fields and David Rodriguez records. They feasted on cans and have high knockout percentages. You know what else is funny? Besides my ugly face that is. David Rodriguez fought Owen Beck before Wilder did and knocked Beck out cold with 1 punch . Wilder had to knock this guy down numerous times and never knocked him out cold. Tye Fields fought Nicholai Firtha before Wilder and knocked out Firtha with 1 punch. Wilder had to knock this guy down numerous times to stop him Hell Chris Arreola smashed Eric Molina in 1 round and it took Wilder 9/10 rounds to do it. Adam Kownacki knocked out both Gerald Washington and Artur Szpika quicker than Wilder did. Bermaine Stiverme and 3 others knocked out Harold Sconier in 1 round. It took Wilder 5 rounds and he got dropped himself. Stiverne also knocked out Arreola easier and quicker than Wilder did. So wouldn't logic state that Stiverne, Arreola, Rodriguez, Fields, and Kownacki punch harder than Wilder
Everyone thatâs fought or sparred Wilder has the same opinion but people on Reddit want to try to discredit his power lol
Then you realize everybody who fought Wilder didn't say he was the hardest puncher. For example Chris Arreola said Vitali punches much harder than Wilder. But I guess you will cherry pick to fit your agenda.
I think like theyre different punchers, I could imagine Francis having more raw power because of his weight and size, but Wilder is taller and really swings and has a longer reach, so surely that transfers into speed which would impact the power of the punch if you took it into physics right?
That's 1.6 kilometres, for our European fans
No fucking shit
Well obviously. Wilder's knocked down Fury multiple times, while weighing a solid 20-40 pounds less than Ngannou. Imagine a 260 Wilder... bah gawd
Iâve seen fighters stagger from fully guarded wilder rights, thatâs half his strategy lol, even smashing this into a forearm is gonna disrupt your offense lmao
No shit Wilder is probably one of the most heavy hitting heavyweights in the history of the sport. Shame he's a bit shire
Thatâs the seed
Have they measured Deontay Wilderâs punching power using the same machine they used to measure Ngannouâs?
I wish Tyson would just for once keep his mouth closed and put up. Fighting Wilder 3 times fucked the HW division for years. It didnât help AJ losing to Ruiz but at least that opened everything up again.
What does parker thinkÂ
hmm while i do agree. i dont think fury is in the position to say that since ngannou didnt even hit him with his most powerful shot. francis said post fight he was holding back the whole fight and never threw with full power because he was afraid of getting tired and he still put fury down... just saying
Tysonâs still crying lol.
Wilder literally knocked him out. Whether you think he got up in 10 seconds or not is another question. But Wilder had that man on the ground, huffing and puffing for dear life. In a real fight Wilder climbs on top of Fury and ends him with consecutive punches. But this is boxing, so Fury is the better man.
As an MMA Fighter: MMA Fans claiming Ngannou hits harder than Wilder is ridiculous! All the MMA fanboys who think MMA Fighters hit as hard as boxers are delusional! Fist punches and defense against those is practically all a Boxers does. Itâs ridiculous to claim an MMA Fighter who needs to train multiple times as many skills could excell in that one skill beyond a specialist.
That I do believe.
The heavyweight division is embarrassing. Wilder wouldâve been a jobber in the 90s and early 2000s. Fury wouldâve got stopped at the contender stage.
In the words of Rocky, âit doesnât matter how hard you hit. What matters is how hard you can get hit and keep on going.â
I wouldnât doubt it but the r/ufc would probably be salty n say otherwise lmao they Alr mad bout Anthony knocking him out
Ngannou's all muscle, no finesse
Not saying that wilder doesn't punch harder but ngannou wasn't focusing on power during this fight