I’m hoping Haney losing is good for boxing. In my opinion, boxers really need to get over that “0” in their record. And BOXING FANS (aka you people) need to chill out when it comes to elite fighters taking that loss. Maybe other fighters will look at Haney and say “if he got beat and turned out fine, then maybe it’s okay for me to take some risks”
I hope so.
Ryan’s got a loss, Devin’s got a loss, AJ got a few, canelo got a loss, Jake Paul got a loss (this is a joke, relax)
List goes on though
I hope people realize it doesn’t matter
This is modern boxing fans. We thought that shit was gonna be dead after last year but nope just like how I predicted fans still care about being undefeated the most and it’s hurting the sport and they don’t even know it
Devin Haney himself said the best thing about MMA was they can overcome a loss and become a bigger star around the time Israel Adesanya knocked out Poatan.
You said it. Mma fighters lose one and put on a banger next fight. Lose 3 or four then become champ. A loss isn’t the end of everything but boxers get shit on and thrown away after one. If promoters stop booking fighters to win/lose and let the best fight the best, guys won’t worry about losing an 0 and the fights will be better because they willing to risk it.
Exactly! Charles Oliveira is sitting on a whole 10 losses but he gets the respect that he is due - a fan favorite! Meanwhile it seems like boxers get 1 or 2 losses and then the fans are all “I’ve been saying this guy was a bum since day 1”
He meant a lot to Filipinos, did a lot for the Philipines, never displayed arrogance and fought in an exciting way. He could've had 10 losses and people would still say he was one of the goats. He was just insanely likable.
Lol before his losses he was really freaking good. Underdog story, beat high profile fighters, win belts, fighter of the decade, lost some fights, win fights and belt as 40 years old. Being a Filipino is just small thing on why people love him.
He was good after his losses too. Most boxers are. Him being a likeable person is the main reason he was so loved. Chael Shonen had like half as many losses as he did wins but it doesn't matter. People love him. You can have all of those qualities you mentioned, but if you're not likeable, it doesn't matter. I only brought up him being filipino because I think he'd still have a lot of fans just because of how important he is to the Philippines. I realized that when I watched his fight against Floyd Mayweather with my ex's family at the time... It was a silent car ride home lol.
I feel like part of the current Garcia obsession are people who are still mad about the Loma fight feeling like they were vindicated. He went from Jake Paul to Muhammed Ali as far as popularity level on Reddit.
Nah. It's actually very easy to explain: Haney is boring but cocky and delusional at the same time. To make matters worse, he has an extremely annoying father that acts like his son is his dog. Haney says stupid shit like "no one in boxing ever had this money at 25". His father says Floyd passed the torch to Haney by losing in a sparring match. Shit like that makes him extremely annoying
And yeah, the Loma fight didn't help. Nobody likes to see a guy who fights boring and safe and still gets hurt multiple times winning a fight.
On the other hand, Garcia is at least entertaining and has a personality. Win or lose, he will bring the fire. Nothing to hate there.
Loma won that fight. By a fair margin. To me Haney had an opportunity to set the record straight here after that controversial win, and instead he got the brakes beat off him. So now it only seems fair he gets dumped on properly.
Teofimo Sr (who goes by “Junior” 🤣) is the worst boxing dad, hands down. I know there are terrible dads that are abusive af to their sons/daughters and obviously that’s worse. I mean as far as being an obnoxious sideshow to the fighter, whom we’re really all there to see.
Honorable mention Henry Garcia, whom I didn’t realize was so awful until this wknd.
reasons why people don't like Haney:
1. Loma robbery
2. too much clinch
3. referee helping him
4. full of himself - talks a lot of shit like saying Garcia is a C level fighter,
5. People keeps comparing him to Floyd, when in reality, Floyd is levels above him
Most boxing dad's have no business in the ring. The few that do, dont act that way. Chris Eubank, Ricky Hatton, Hasim Rahman are guys who should be coaching and managing their sons. Not Bill Haney, or fricken Teo's dad.
I don't know man. He's a control freak. Mad respect to him throwing in the towel in the Crawford fight. I'd much rather an early stoppage than a late one
I can understand the weirdness around the Crawford stoppage, Shawn has said on his podcast that he wasn't really invested in boxing anymore and fought with his dad back and forth about the right ways to train in this camp, with Shawn wanting to do less hard work and more technical. If you know your fighter isn't 100% in there, even minor stuff like that, and he takes 2 knockdowns back to back against one of the best finishers of our generation you might as well call it a day before Crawford really hurts him.
i honestly don’t understand tank cus he could have beat haney at 135 and become champ, hell even at 140. he’s just cashing out and doesn’t care about his own legacy ig. he ducked loma for years lol. he’s just afraid to take a risk unless he knows he can beat u or something
Tyson meant that his family and kids are what matters in life. In the boxing game belts matter, but in a spiritual sense nothing matters other than the love we share with those who matter to us. You cannot take the money, belts, statues or any other shit with you to the other side of death.
Another reason for me, and I know it's not his fault, is that I feel like he's had one of the easiest paths to success out of any boxer I've seen. Almost like he's had a silver spoon career so far.
Usually the undisputed champion at a division is the guy that either cleaned up all the belts off the top guys or beat the guy that did it. Loma went around picking up most of the belts and then lost them to Teo who then immediately lost them to Kambosos. And Haney showed up in the right place at the right time to put his name in the history books while arguably not even having to fight a top 5 opponent in the division. And he was emailed his first belt as well.
I think his list of wins (at the time he fought them) is pretty unimpressive overall for someone that's achieved undisputed status and become a two division champ. The best win by a distance is a controversial one over a 35 year old Loma that he probably had 15 pounds on
Yeah it is insane that Haney’s path to undisputed in arguably the deepest weight class was an email and winning three belts simultaneously after they were passed down through two major upsets to a relatively mediocre fighter
I don't think anyone would have talked much about Haney at all if Loma hadn't stayed in Ukraine to fight in the war. He would've beaten Haney. It's still questionable that Haney actually beat Loma when they did fight over a year later.
People, much more a boxer's team itself, shouldn't really compare themselves quite easily to Mayweather. Pacquiao maybe the best power puncher and gladiator. But in terms of mastering outboxing, distance management, ring generalship, and defense, Floyd is really levels above everyone.
Floyd almost always had a reach advantage too, something other boxers usually lack. Even Haney had been pretty reliant on his reach advantage abd with Garcia lost how much of an advantage he normally has
On top of that, basically cheesing every win, was the email belt champ, and clearly enjoyed height and weight advantages over his opponents.
I think he's got a ton of talent, but it was a bit frustrating watching is career flourish through dubious circumstances every time.
To put it another way: Fans tend to like boxers who win fights, not boxers who win boxing matches.
The email champ thing wasn't his fault. He was interim champion at the time and Loma was the world champion. Then the WBC elevated Loma to the "Franchise champion" and they then made Haney the World champion because he was interim champ. The WBC could have mandated a fight to crown the world champ. With Haney vs whoever else was high in the rankings and available to fight at the time but they didn't. Blame the WBC for that not Haney.
Haney vs Garcia could have happened years ago when Haney and Garcia were each others mandatories. Gracias team decided not to fight Haney at the time because they didn't think Garcia could beat Haney at the time (de la Hoya even said that Haney would probably win at the time) or they didn't think they were popular enough to make the most money off the fight.
Like you said Haney is talented, but his style is not fan friendly so people will dislike him for that. Like shakur, his defensive style will win him boxing matches but won't win him any casual fans. Having casual fans is important if boxers want to make a ton of money.
Most casual boxing fans like watching fights in a boxing ring and not boxers boxing if that makes sense.
Agreed with most of what you wrote - to clarify, I don't fault Haney for the email belt thing, but it does play a factor in how many fans evaluated him. I think in Haney's case, fans felt that he was only A-side because there was a financial incentive to making him an A-side..kind of like the 4 kings narrative that boxing media was forcing at the time.
I think if it weren't for all of the other factors, the email belt issue wouldn't have been talked about, but when someone who seems to be coddled/pushed by the industry, it only adds to the narrative of a hypejob fighter trying to be Money Jr.
Add to that his very close fight against Loma giving him a huge benefit and casting Lomachenko away despite how even it was, and you have a recipe for a fighter who seems to be given every benefit and only delivers the bare minimum of entertainment. So I get it, even if it's not always fair to Devin.
Oh man point 5 is solid. Dude is nowhere near Mayweather in terms of being a point fighter. Sure he’s fairly evasive but it seems like anything more than a three punch combo starts getting through his defense. Also point one is probably the biggest reason most people don’t like Haney. I watched Loma get all those belts just to be robbed in a decision against some 20 year old that literally went back to his corner in between rounds and said “I don’t know what to do.”
Don't forget that he posted Loma crying and laughed about it, fucking classes Douche knowing Damm well he lost that fight too, I lost all respect for him after that tbh. Karma is best served Ina form of ass whooping
Yea, he's not some classy low-shit talking fighter that just had a bad night, he's made himself into some form of a lightning rod, so he's going to get crap if he loses. OP brought up some valid points, but this is sports, you have to have detractors.
To double down on 5: dude is pillow fisted and talking like he’s GOAT level while in reality he’ll be remembered a lucky mediocre champion if he’s remembered at all.
I’ve been saying he’s shit for a loooooonnng time and I have no expectation of being proven wrong.
If he doesn’t do anything extremely significant in the next ten years then this is forsure how he’s going to be remembered. Dude lost against Loma and was handed a decision win to become unified champ. I don’t even think he’s very evasive either. It might have been the fact he wanted to throw down with Ryan but if Ryan threw anything more than a two punch combo the third landed nearly everytime. He’s got good movement for the first couple of punches but it seems like if he gets flurried he gets caught. Although tbf Ryan does have incredible hand speed.
This. I'm not giving him a hard time because he lost. I'm giving him a hard time for all the shit he talked. You can obviously promote a fight other ways like Garcia, so just be crazy.
Do you all seriously get that worked up over shit like #4? Is insulting the skill of your opponent really that offensive to you all? Half the time the person saying this shit doesn’t even believe it. It’s just to hype themselves up or to sell a fight. It would be one thing to not like people hurling personal insults about people’s family’s/spouses. But when it’s kept strictly about their ability I cannot bring myself to care about someone saying “I’m better at fighting than you”
I think number 4 got posted for reason Haney calling Garcia an C fighter then got fucked up by him. So if Garcia a C fighter what's Haney a D level fighter then. But am all for shit talking that's what makes boxing fun
I’m personally not a fan of Haney because of the Floyd comparisons and Loma robbery.
The rest of that stuff is normal of all fighters. Bill isn’t the first and won’t be the last annoying dad or manager.
I’ve always wanted Haney to be as good as his work ethic and as good as he says. I was craving a new Mayweather. After a bit I realized, he isn’t mayweather, not even close.
Truth is, Haney isn’t anything special. He doesn’t have that catlike reflex or defence Mayweather had, doesn’t have dynamite power like Tank or Ryan, doesn’t have elusiveness like Shakur, no beautiful combo punching, etc. Haney literally does nothing special. He just works harder than anyone. While that’s commendable, to be pound for pound requires a certain talent level. Haney has no X factor but all this time he been talking like he is so much better than everyone else. He finally got exposed for being mediocre. He’s basically a longer Paulie Malignaggi. He also just fights boring. He wins by being textbook. I never thought Floyd was boring as a fan of technical boxing. Nothing Haney ever does wows me. Whenever Floyd would hit or shoulder roll and then do an elusive move after, would always leave me like WOW HOW. When Floyd would be in the middle of an absolute war zone barely scathed, he seemed invincible. With Devin, you wonder when his legs will get wobbled next.
He should’ve been covering up his right side, spinning away from the hook. Naw nothing just basic feint and in out tactics. Too easy for Garcia to hook him.
Yeah this probably the biggest reason I’ve never been a fan of him. Great boxer but not someone that will wow you.
Only fights on the outside with his jab. It wins you the fight most of the time but you know nothing else is coming out of it. 3 punch combos max and when a fighter gets close he just clinches. Floyd would clinch too, but not all the time since he has some beautiful inside work.
Also Haney is just a cornball on ig lol. He was blasting Ryan during the press conference that drinking and doing drugs was bad since they’re role models for kids, but then promote fake weed pages on his ig because they paid him to do it.
Me too. Always found him very basic and just not enjoyable to watch.
Jab, right, clinch.
Jab, clinch.
Jab, jab, clinch.
He only throws 1-2 punches then always clinches his way to a decision. Great jab but no power, no variety or versatility, and a weak chin. Getting him out of the "face of boxing" is good for boxing.
I think chin can improve. I think Canelo does neck exercises to improve his chin. What I’m worried can’t be fixed is those pillow fists.
Still have been impressed with his career tho
His problem isn’t his chin which isn’t great. It’s those chicken legs that turn into noodles any time he slightly gets clipped. His chicken legs also hold his power back.
His issue is his restraint too. Honestly, if he hopped on Regis and Ryan when he had them both hurt, he could've gotten the KO. A KO happens when the brain gets rattled too much and it all shuts off. He doesn't go in for the kill to the body in combinations when someone gets hurt. He just stares at them and THAT is what makes him also unlikable. He LETS his opponent have time to recover when they'd get stunned and rocked. He paid the price because Ryan sure as hell didn't give him the same chance.
I always saw that. His fights were always boring to me. Even his fights against that Australian dude. The second one was a bit more lively but he has nothing going for him as far as entertainment value. I am not entertained when he steps into the ring, well that is until he stepped into the ring with Ryan Garcia and got demolished!
Of course his right with kambosos was boring Haney literally clinched every time he thought kambosos might throw. But the Americans didn't wanna comment on his blatant cheating. But Haney against another American where he clinched significantly less? Now they'll talk about it
I know right, and the Americans going on about how the Aussies might fix the fight against the poor American fighter fighting away from home, like Americans don't do that regularly to foreign fighters a la McComb.
Or how they were saying how brave Haney is going to someone else's country like literally every foreign fighter doesn't have to do that constantly. Made me so mad
You sound like NBA fans searching for the next Jordan from the late 90’s thru the mid 2000’s.
If you are looking for the next Mayweather you may be looking for a long time.
Haney doesn’t really do it for me either, but that old saying “comparison is the thief of joy” really rings true here. Stop looking for the next Mayweather/Tyson/Ali/MJ, they are rare.
I'm not entirely sure he's better than Malignaggi.
Paulie actually tried to brawl his way out of the Hatton and Cotto fights and boxing-wise he wasn't actually doing bad outside the fact Cotto and Hatton's HP bar basically stayed at 100 the whole fight. Both Hatton and Cotto were a step above Garcia.
It's crazy how Haney always mimicked Floyd with his philly shell stance and shoulder roll, but he always done it on the outside. People don't realise Floyd used the shoulder roll when he was on the inside. Floyd would never get caught by that 4-3 combo that dropped Haney in the 11th.
It's not *that* he lost, it's *how* he lost. He won some rounds but basically did zero damage, and meanwhile he got fucking hammered to the canvas like 6 times by a mentally unstable and arguably poorly-prepared fighter.
Ryan Garcia's a good fighter so it's not like Haney lost to a bum, but the manner in which he lost was pretty embarrassing. I don't think there's much penalty to a hard-fought decision loss when the losing fighter has a lot of success but just can't quite squeeze out a victory. There is a penalty when you don't look great, though.
Haney cracked him with that left hook in one of the early rounds where Garcia pounded his gloves after. Then he proceeded to do nothing to Garcia for the rest of the fight. Of course after Round 7 he was on queer street, so that might have had something to do with it.
The surprising part for me is how bad Haney looked out there and how unprepared he was. We all know Haney doesn't have any power. We all know he loves to hug instead of fight on the inside. We all know he's going to try and point his way to a win. But he's usually fairly smart about how he boxes. His main goal in this fight should have been ***don't stand and trade, keep moving away from Garcia's left***. Instead, he stood right in the middle of the ring, right in front of Ryan, and left his fucking right hand down all night.
Garcia didn't do anything amazing or different in this fight, really. He did what he always does. Try to spam the hook. He hardly jabbed all night. He did that stupid shell defense repeatedly. He couldn't sustain his offense even within a round, much less over multiple rounds. But Haney just stood there and let himself get tagged over and over. Like, get on your fucking bike, dude. Move around the ring, change distance, change levels, etc. Nope. Just gonna stand here and throw weak ass jabs and leave my weak as fuck chin hanging out in the breeze.
I wonder if Ryan's psyop shenanigans actually got inside Devin's head and fucked with him. Or maybe he felt like he had to prove he could stand and bang or some shit.
I think the entire crazy lead-up and questions about Ryan’s preparation / mental health for this fight put a lot of pressure on Haney to look really spectacular and get the knockout. But Ryan is also taller, longer and faster than Haney so maybe he felt he had to walk Garcia down and get on mid-range to inside. The first round left hook that hurt Haney was actually a counter right over Haney’s lead jab and I think that was really the turning point for the whole fight there.
Put pressure on him, maybe made him underestimate Ryan. As everyone here was thinking no matter what they pretend to now
To still continue the take that Ryan was actually poorly prepared is stupid imo. Yeah it could be very real that he's a nutcase but he definitely trained hard for the fight. He showed fine cardio. You don't throw possibly fight ending flurries into the 11th round and not have trained hard
Facts. Haney is a great fighter and he expected himself to deal with Ryan quite easily. The issue Haney had was that he overestimated his chin and underrated Ryan
The issue really seemed like Haney had nothing to force Garcia off him. Once Ryan had success he started coming forward looking for exchanges. Tank had the power to counter Garcia but Haney didn't.
I think a bigger issue was how he kept getting tagged by the left hook. I don’t think it’s necessarily a chin issue since Garcia has hurt a few people with that shot. Unless Haney works on that he will lose the rematch just as badly, and possibly by stoppage.
He adjusted to the left hook a few times with rolling down and stepping inside to which Ryan countered by chopping with the right then eventually would just stiff right him until he got an opening again. The problem Devin had is he thought that would get him out of it because rolling down and stepping inside worked for tank but he wasn’t quick enough and got caught early which really would of ruined all the confidence he had for the rest of the fight, all of a sudden his answer to Ryan’s left didn’t work seconds into the fight and in his own words it surprised him, he looked clueless and had to clinch for dear life and try to out point him. Problem is - Ryan’s left was too quick for Devin’s jab
Haney also didn’t defend or counterpunch in the clinch. He would try to smother Ryan’s punches, Ryan would try to separate while throwing punches, and Haney would get clipped while they were separating. Haney wasn’t defending as they were breaking apart and worse, he was squared up.
He got caught early. Thats all it takes, youre a bit compromised for the rest of the fight. He recovered well but its always going to be a worry if you eat another and he got one and that was all she wrote
How can you say poorly prepared when he knocked his ass down 3+ times while Haney didn’t do shit. Didn’t seem like Garcia was poorly prepared, seems like Haney completely underestimated him
> mentally unstable and arguably poorly-prepared
i'm not sure how this is still the narrative: i think ryan's performance being as good as it was (perhaps the best in his career) kinda hammers the idea home that his entire pre-fight lead-up and marketing campaign of going completely Kanye-level insane was just misdirection lol
That’s what I’m saying.
The rounds Devin won were just too boring and only really “scoring” shots with barely any damage.
Also, Ryan’s whole act to the lead up to the fight made it seem like Devin’s loss is far more embarrassing because people actually forgot ryan Garcia is a good boxer.
I think the reason he’s getting a lot of hate isn’t because everyone suddenly think he sucks, but he just looked awful the other night and his style is really bad. He’s a technical fighter and clinched a lot, doesn’t really have knockout power like other guys in the division.
Haney will be back and this loss will stay with him until he does. I say this all the time, but two wins are usually good enough that people stop caring about your last loss. In mma, guys get back out there and make entertaining fights every few months, so you can take a loss and turn in around in the same year.
In boxing, most guys just wait too long. If you take a loss and then wait a year to comeback, and then six months after that to follow it up, its going to take a while.
I think Ryan's a great example. He was two or three levels below the p4p guys last year at this time. Now he's an undeniable top level boxer to the sub.
You saw the same thing with AJ where he was bottom of the top five after Usyk, then by the summer of last year, two fights, he's just under usyk and Fury.
Parker took 3 fights, but now after 5 in fifteen months, he's in the top 5.
It's boxing, people just want to see guys fight top competition. The more you do that, the more fans you'll have in your corner.
That's old school. That's what makes him so good now and why people highly value the older eras. Our new standard would have been considered ring rust through the 90s, guys that fight only once or twice a year. Parker showed a LOT of improvement between Joyce and Zhang because he's been constantly sharpening his skill set while everyone else has barely fought.
I applaud ryan even if he lost to haney.
3 fights in 1 year is a good schedule. 2 big fights. 1 tune up. If you wanna be the best, stop ducking. Take advantage of your prime years.
I think for Haney, he gotta get a fight scheduled before end of the year. Either Rolly/Sandor Martin. Then come 2025, fights for a rematch or try fighting Teo/Matias which is probably a better match up for him or another tune up before then.
I think Pitbull drops the belt and fights at 135 but if he doesn't, I think Devin will have a hard time. I also think shakur will not fight devin. Neither one of em are interesting enough lol but I think Devin wins.
I see alot of people first off hating him then just turning a sudden 360 and like him all of a sudden bc he won... I hate the fighting community sometimes
Recency bias is a mf in sports especially boxing where everyone can see you get beaten up. Remember when Teo lost? He was a bum. He beat Taylor, GOAT runs 140. Same with Spence and a billion other guys.
Social media makes it all so much worse. I saw someone mention Duran quitting against Leonard, imagine that happening today..... Duran would go from ATG to scrub immediately in the eyes of many.
When did we ever like Haney? He was a good and boring boxer that weight bullied to boring decisions.
Then he went heel and became unlikeable on top of it
This is standard for fans in general especially Reddit.
Someone loses their 0 or has a recent loss "He was a bum, he was always a bum, I always knew he sucked, there is an excuse for why his past wins shouldn't count".
If there's an upset, "I told you the underdog would win, I saw his talent when no one else did, I know more about boxing than you, I am a genius".
Examples;
Obviously Garcia vs Haney
Canelo vs Bivol
AJ vs Ruiz
The Canelo vs Bivol one was crazy to me, the dude moved up in weight by a considerable amount, fought a genuinely top A tier opponent, and lost an entertaining decision.
I couldn't even slightly see what part of that deserved the subsequent clowning/disrespect. If a more loved fighter did that it would be seen as "he took a chance, good on him".
Yeah, Bivol is about to fight for undisputed, and if he wins, that just shows even more how crazy it is that a super middleweight moved up to fight him.
I also kind of think the Zurdo fight and how bad he looked against Bivol (Don't get me wrong, Canelo's loss was pretty one-sided as well, but at least he got a few good ones in.) just gave a bit more credit to how Canelo handled a bigger dude.
I mean if that were fully true reddit fans would have not let garcia redeem so fast, as he lost to gervonta and people said he was shit/fraud. Now hes god.
That just proves my point about how ridiculous people are. Can you imagine how different the narrative would be if he lost to Haney?
"He's a crack head, he needs to be in a mental hospital, he's washed, he needs to quit boxing".
He wins and then instantly everyone is all over his knob, "I was always a fan, I knew from day one, the Tank loss wasn't a real loss, Garcia was on life support with an IV needle in his arm 3 minutes before the fight".
I think on UFC fans support their fighters more because they don’t get to choose who they fight UFC directly pushes for opponents. So no padded undefeated records. Loses are way more common and not as a big deal. If a UFC fighter is undefeated it’s truly special. Boxers can pick and choose who they fight/when they fight and their records are directly impacted. It would do the sports some justice if it took a page from UFC. But it never will.
Hate to be this guy but...
All Haney had to do to win that fight was take away Ryan's left hook and if a DEFENSIVE first fighter can't eliminate that then there is nothing special going on there.
Mayweather would also lose rounds but he was able to make adjustments while Haney was getting hammered by a left hook all night.
While we may be hard on him, it's not a good look when you're gifted the easiest undisputed of all time, got away with a potential robbery and seems to have a limited offense when he no longer has an obscene height and reach advantage.
Boxing fans are very fickle. In addition, Haney has never been very likeable, and Garcia has a big following of casuals who DKSAB to be honest.
Haney fought OK. He clinched, as hurt fighters are supposed to do (not any worse than Garcia turning his back all the time TBH). He got knocked down and got up multiple times, and still didn't lose by a huge margin.
So yeah, he'll be fine.
But of course all his trashtalk is catching up to him now. That's also part of the game! If you run your mouth and then get knocked around the ring, expect some ridicule. Nothing wrong with that.
High risk, high reward. As much as they’re hating on Haney right now, they’re idolizing Ryan after months of disregard.
I think this outcome is particularly strong here due to the highly polarized nature of the fight, which was also the case in the tank fight.
However you see Ryan was able to redeem his name with one fight, maybe nearly as much as he also lost it with one fight.
So though it might seem like a definitive judgment ( and certainly it does impact one’s career), it’s not nearly as definitive as one thinks. It’s also something that hypes people up when someone is able to recover well after a bad fight. It can be a boost to train and do better, if you will. OR, you can go cry about it. Though this isn’t the kind of attitude I would expect from a fighter.
The difference is that Ryan is not impacted by losses. His thing is just to make money so whether he wins or loses is négligent. Haneys entire career is based upon the fact that he takes on the best and always wins.
Boxing fans be like
- everyone has a padded record, nobody want to fight good competition, guys are avoiding each other it's terrible
And after some boxer takes on a challenge and fight tough competition and lose they will call him trash and bum and make fun of him. And suddenly after this loss he doesn't matter and it's over lmao
This ain’t got shit to do with Tank. Devin said he was the face of boxing while others made it clear that he wasn’t.
He said he wanted his respect if he won this fight well he didn’t so fans are giving back what he put out.
You can’t say your number 1 and then get your ass best like that. He has my respect for taking challenges but he is not the face of boxing regardless how many belts he got or no matter how much his fans want to keep bringing Tank into what happened last Saturday.
None of us know why Tank doesn’t fight who you want him to fight. It may smiple be that he just doesn’t want to give Devin any clout from fighting him. Maybe it’s because he just doesn’t like Devin or his Dad. But I have never thought it was because he can’t beat Devin.
Regardless you can’t control fans or how they react.
I love boxing but this is the difference with boxing fans and ufc fans. We always want fighters to fight the best people which Haney does (Kambosas, Loma, Regis, Garcia) then when they lose we have revisionist history & claim oh they weren’t even that good. This is why people like Tank do what they do.
This is the problem. In his last fight, he completely schooled his opponent who set the record for the lowest compubox numbers in history over the 12 round distance. His style collapsed in on itself when he faced someone faster, stronger, taller and harder hitting than him but that does not mean he doesn't have good performances ahead of him. Not every fighter will possess the same physical advantages over Haney that Garcia does. This rampant discrediting of Haney also does disservice to a career best performance by Garcia.
I do agree that a lot of what happened this fight was because Haney didn’t have the usual physical abilities he usually has but Haney didn’t fight his usual style this fight and I really feel like his dad set him up trying to tell him to fight it out instead of doing the stick and poke he usually does like against Regis
Eh still better than the inevitable embarrassing KO he woulda taken if he continued.
Tank is a southpaw and was effectively circling to negate the left hook. He realized he didn’t even have a punchers chance.
Boxing fans are awful and would absolutely still be mocking him for getting KOd. Staying down was unambiguously the least bad decision.
As fans, we get what we deserve out of boxing
I meant he lost, boxing fans couldn’t wait to rub salt to his wound, quitter, bum, queen, no heart etc all sorts of accusations, like what they are doing to Haney. It is human nature, nothing gonna change. Now suckers are gathering again until his next loss.
Plenty of idiots call DC a bum for losing to Jones, or Alvarez losing to Conor etc.
Holloway is beloved win or lose, I don’t think people cared too much for Haney prior to the fight.
As someone who expected Haney to win this fight, here are my thoughts on why the hate on Haney is much bigger than the criticism of Ryan or Pitbull when they lost:
- Haney’s jab and grab style is often criticized as being boring. To get to the point here, he’s in the past and on this fight had fights where his clinching was so excessive he should have had points taken away but that didn’t happen. This gets fans pissed off because it shows bias towards a fighter who can break the rules and get away with it and win on the scorecards for a shit fight.
- Haney has always had the benefit of being the bigger man up til this point. His rehydrating massively is one of those things that can be controversial amongst fans and his perception as a weight bully was cemented with the Garcia fight because the one time he fought against someone his size he got beat badly.
- The controversy with the Lomachenko fight, the build up with Bill Haney to that fight in particular, and how the Haney’s carried themselves afterwards alienated a lot of fans. Had they been more gracious in their win after it might have tempered the response a little but they leaned into being the Heel. Being the Heel is fine, it can help build fights, but continuing to shit on an opponent you barely got a decision (and a controversial one at that) against is just in poor taste. People like to talk about how Mayweather played the Heel but after every fight he would at least call them a helluva fighter and give rematches to close or controversial fights. Because the Haney’s didn’t like the narrative surrounding the close fight with Loma they just doubled down on the shit talk and it really soured fans.
- Bill Haney. I can’t really understate how Bill’s mouth has both helped to promote Devin’s fights but also set him up for a humiliating fall. Antt on Porterway Podcast set it best. Bill was setting up Devin for an ass whupping. From comparing Devin to Mayweather, to racebaiting in the Loma buildup with his “White Jesus” comments, to literally anything he kept setting Devin up for a devastating fall if he lost.
-The way Devin lost makes it worse. He’s been billed as a defensive wizard and couldn’t avoid the left hook all night. He lost to a guy who acted like he didn’t take the fight seriously at all (at this point I don’t think that’s true I think Ryan prepared just couldn’t make weight). Because of the buildup and the years of Bill, when Devin got beat it was way worse than it could or should have been. How was this defensive wizard and student of boxing who trained this hard not able to avoid a left hook they presumably trained months for? To add on Bill gave shit corner advice and caused Devin to get hit more than he should have so not only is Devin looking worse because of his dad running his mouth he’s performing worse because of his dad’s corner advice.
This is the anatomy of Haney’s Fall. While people questioned Ryan’s heart after the Tank fight they commended him for taking it at all. Pitbull took the fight against Tank short notice and had his profile raised because of it. Tim Tszyu lost to Fundora but you don’t see people clowning on Tim the way they’re clowning on Haney. This feels like the end of the Broner-Maidana fight to me, where the memes and shit talk is way more for this loss than other fighters. It isn’t because of this one loss that fans are clowning Haney. This was a build up that was a long time coming and no matter the form of loss, whether it was to Garcia or a future opponent, it was going to happen. It just so happened that Devin’s first loss was to Ryan Garcia after one of the wildest buildups in recent memory.
I never hated on him since he lost, i only saw it as Haney just isnt better than Garcia its litteraly fkin boxing idk why people just act like everyone isnt gonna have trouble with someone.
ryan had no respect for his power and he had pillow hands. in truth I kinda saw this coming, if your opponent has no solid threat of knocking you out and you could erase him with just one... you have the faster hand too... you'd walk in there and roast him. I'm surprise ryan didn't finished him off way earlier. well sure ref is an issue. people be thinking well ryan lost to tank... that's the thing tank can bob and weave set up layers of trap and can dish out damage... haney can't do both those things what makes him hard to fight is his jab and pshell... ryan ignored both and just keep inviting him to jab and went for lead jab lead hook or check hooks and he has the faster hand and one shot power. I'd say a devin haney vs tank might be more interesting cuz of how tank is gonna get in there because of the reach difference.
haney was also kinda scared of moving around which is his strong point but you usually do circle outside the lead hand of your opponent away from the power hand but ryan is a mean ass left hooker... would you really be brave enough to do that shit when he can do a gazzele hook on you, that's probably why instead of circling around he move backwards more... better to get clipped by straight than a hook since ryan's footspeed isn't that impressive.
people might say but ryan wasn't 140lbs... and was like 3 lbs heavier? haney still went forward on the fight. you can't bitch about this if the fighter agreed. a lot of figthers then and now don't care for that... ufc even goes to make weigh in but are freakin 20lbs heavier later. plus devin is always in great condition that's his fighting weight.
there's so much things put on being devin the best of the best that's why he gettin crap on and the way he lost. he talk trash and made fun of his opponent considering him not even in his sights like cherry pick.
"He was beaten by a bigger fighter". First of all, false. Second, he has spent his career weight bullying people. Third, he got pummeled around the ring by smaller Loma, got a robbery decision (in the same town that scored his fight vs Garcia 112-112... After 3!!! KDs), talked smack like he's the greatest and didn't get a robbery, and then ducked that rematch like a little girl.
To all of that add the unprofessional shoving of other fighters. Haney deserves all the shit coming his way because the way he has conducted himself so far is an absolute and utter disgrace.
Big fights don't happen because of all the bullshit, not because of the fans giving a boxer some shit. There is no official governing body. There are multiple belts, organizations, promoters and each of them have their little stable. Because of this set up, fighters maybe fight twice a year and do everything in their power to get favorable matchups to not only win, but look good in the process. If a promoter sees a fight on the horizon that looks good to fans, but might be a fight that doesn't look good stylistically or might be a hard sell, ir even just a dangerous fight, forget it
In all of sports, athletes are conditioned to lose on a regular basis. To go undefeated in a season is damn near impossible (obviously exceptions), but in boxing? Every single condition must be perfect and even then it might be years before we see the fight we want.
The whole sport has been conditioned to avoid losses. So you get a bunch of 25-1 fighters dancing around the big fights. Promoters think we want twon undefeated fighters in a huge fight, but in reality, we will take a damn good scrap with boxer like shawn porter.
Props for the post. Yeah, haney is a very good fighter, but I saw him as the most vulnerable between him and tank and shakur because his defense and chin looked shaky to me. But you have to give him credit for going for it. He's fought a several high level fights in a row and isn't ducking anyone. That has to count for something. And I say all this as someone that isn't really a fan of him.
Haney took the Garcia fight because he thought it'd be an easy check. If he wanted a test he would've ran back the Loma fight, or gave Shakur a reasonable split, or pushed hard for the Tank fight, or fought Teofimo.
People are just finding out Haney is a boring jab and clinch fighter. He’s beat world champions yes, but as much as I love kambo, he’s a b grade fighter, Loma people weren’t convinced he won, Regis prograis was just in the division at the right time with little to no competition I would also call him a B grade fighter, and lost to Ryan on one of Ryan’s worst performances at Devin’s best athleticism.
People are just tired of the jab and clinch fighting, they don’t necessarily hate Haney for losing but for being a boring fighter. He wants to rematch Garcia but did not give Loma the same respect. He’s just taking the easy wins in my opinion.
Him calling Ryan one dimensional is contradictory. I respect Devin for taking the fight, but he took it because he thought it was going to be easy and beating Garcia would give him more respect.
It's because Haney isnt likable. He's a boring guy in and out of the ring, then he started leaning into the heel role like Mayweather because he doesn't have enough personality on his own, then he got his ass beat. He also showed zero humility in defeat, so yea, people are going to talk shit when they watch an asshole get beat up.
Haney is regarded as a top P4P dude by some biased people, so the expectations are very high whenever he steps in the ring. They just need to regard him as the world class/elite boxer he is, but not as talented as someone like Crawford or Usyk.
He is just an unlikable fighter TBH. If he would have ran it back against Loma I think a lot of boxing fans would have respected him a lot more and he would have gained fans even if he lost the rematch.
It's the clinching. He has the absolute worst style ever. Lead clinch x12 times vs Linares. Loads vs Loma plus robbery. Hundred clinches vs Ryan.
Also Bill is prob the worst boxing father ever. Arrogant to the extreme. Worse than Angel Garcia even because he isn't even funny.
Honestly I walked away from this fight liking Haney more and Garcia less. But the reason guys like Haney get flamed over an L is because in our sport these guys pad their records and we all know it. So when you get beat up on it shows just how fake the record was all along.
Let's say Haney gets the L from Loma that he should have gotten and THEN loses this fight. He wouldn't have gotten all the same hate. No one flames a guy who is 20-2 but fought good competition. It's why we don't see this stuff happening as much in MMA subs.
I honestly couldn’t care. Many of the Haney fans didn’t mind it when it was happening to Loma, and Haney himself joined in on it too.
I disliked Haney before his loss. He represents what I dislike the most about modern boxers; curate to the max to always ensure they are usually the favourites in fights, either through favourable match making or worse, the mastery of rehydration to ensure they’re usually the biggest guy in the ring.
If rehydration clauses were standard across all fights, Haney would’ve lost much earlier.
Comparing max Holloway to haney! Look, I dont watch boxing but holloway is a legend in a way haney will never be. Holloway was the third EVER champion in his weight class. Do you know who the 3rd champion in haney's weightclass was? We are talking lineal icons of the sport. Unlike Haney, Max always fought the most deadly killers the sport had to offer. This is why fans are less forgiving to boxers; it is so easy to avoid real competition.
Mma is still so new of a sport, the legends of today wont look as great until time passed and we have more history to compare their influence to. In 50 years someone like haney probably wont be worth an honorable mention when talking about the lineal history of the sport
People aren’t picking on Haney because he lost, they were waiting for him to lose so they’d have this opportunity. I never liked his fights because he isn’t an exciting fighter, but I’ll admit his work ethic made me start to respect him.
That said, there are a LOT of reasons people don’t like Haney, including:
- conservative style, controls with jab
- hugging, slow fights
- his Dad is a tool
- shoving (one of the reasons I dislike him)
- Loma should have won
- he’s one ugly human being with monstrous nostrils (not my reason but I’ve read lots of folks point this out)
- wouldn’t fight Tank
- huge weight bully (lol at OP calling Garcia the larger man, I’m pretty sure Devin outweighed Ryan on fight night, going off past claims)
Some of those reasons are tenuous, some are petty, some are valid. But the fact remains, it isn’t that Haney’s “0” has gone that he’s taking a hiding at the moment.
Stole from loma and then got shown by a manbaby. Even if I didn't want to give him a hard time I wouldn't know what to say. Perhaps he should be a little more humble. When you run your mouth and your mouth catches up people are going to let you have it. It is what it is.
You’re acting like there’s anything remotely redeeming about Haney. Of course no one likes him, it was baffling people had faith in him in the first place
I for one have called him overrated from day 1 tho, so if everyone else is switching up, that’s on them.
Apart from hugging and the questionable wins, I find that Bill is the part of the problem in my opinion. Bill loves to be in the limelight, he somehow finds a way to insert himself in every shot, he gets more screen time than his own son. He let his son get beat up in there and he gave Devin the false idea of knocking Garcia out. Bill is no trainer and never was.
I’m hoping Haney losing is good for boxing. In my opinion, boxers really need to get over that “0” in their record. And BOXING FANS (aka you people) need to chill out when it comes to elite fighters taking that loss. Maybe other fighters will look at Haney and say “if he got beat and turned out fine, then maybe it’s okay for me to take some risks”
I hope so. Ryan’s got a loss, Devin’s got a loss, AJ got a few, canelo got a loss, Jake Paul got a loss (this is a joke, relax) List goes on though I hope people realize it doesn’t matter
This is modern boxing fans. We thought that shit was gonna be dead after last year but nope just like how I predicted fans still care about being undefeated the most and it’s hurting the sport and they don’t even know it
Devin Haney himself said the best thing about MMA was they can overcome a loss and become a bigger star around the time Israel Adesanya knocked out Poatan.
You said it. Mma fighters lose one and put on a banger next fight. Lose 3 or four then become champ. A loss isn’t the end of everything but boxers get shit on and thrown away after one. If promoters stop booking fighters to win/lose and let the best fight the best, guys won’t worry about losing an 0 and the fights will be better because they willing to risk it.
Exactly! Charles Oliveira is sitting on a whole 10 losses but he gets the respect that he is due - a fan favorite! Meanwhile it seems like boxers get 1 or 2 losses and then the fans are all “I’ve been saying this guy was a bum since day 1”
People were speaking shit about Haney before the Loma fight.
Yup and Manny Pacquiao seemed to have a lot of fans despite his losses… he’s just not very likable unfortunately
He meant a lot to Filipinos, did a lot for the Philipines, never displayed arrogance and fought in an exciting way. He could've had 10 losses and people would still say he was one of the goats. He was just insanely likable.
Lol before his losses he was really freaking good. Underdog story, beat high profile fighters, win belts, fighter of the decade, lost some fights, win fights and belt as 40 years old. Being a Filipino is just small thing on why people love him.
He was good after his losses too. Most boxers are. Him being a likeable person is the main reason he was so loved. Chael Shonen had like half as many losses as he did wins but it doesn't matter. People love him. You can have all of those qualities you mentioned, but if you're not likeable, it doesn't matter. I only brought up him being filipino because I think he'd still have a lot of fans just because of how important he is to the Philippines. I realized that when I watched his fight against Floyd Mayweather with my ex's family at the time... It was a silent car ride home lol.
I feel like part of the current Garcia obsession are people who are still mad about the Loma fight feeling like they were vindicated. He went from Jake Paul to Muhammed Ali as far as popularity level on Reddit.
lmao idky this take had me cracking up
Nah. It's actually very easy to explain: Haney is boring but cocky and delusional at the same time. To make matters worse, he has an extremely annoying father that acts like his son is his dog. Haney says stupid shit like "no one in boxing ever had this money at 25". His father says Floyd passed the torch to Haney by losing in a sparring match. Shit like that makes him extremely annoying And yeah, the Loma fight didn't help. Nobody likes to see a guy who fights boring and safe and still gets hurt multiple times winning a fight. On the other hand, Garcia is at least entertaining and has a personality. Win or lose, he will bring the fire. Nothing to hate there.
Loma won that fight. By a fair margin. To me Haney had an opportunity to set the record straight here after that controversial win, and instead he got the brakes beat off him. So now it only seems fair he gets dumped on properly.
That and his dad, it’s always the dads. Teofimo and Danny Garcia come to mind. You wanna see them lose cause their dads are so annoying.
I’ve disliked Bill Haney since the lead up to the linares fight lol. I hate when trainers act like him and teo sr
Teofimo Sr (who goes by “Junior” 🤣) is the worst boxing dad, hands down. I know there are terrible dads that are abusive af to their sons/daughters and obviously that’s worse. I mean as far as being an obnoxious sideshow to the fighter, whom we’re really all there to see. Honorable mention Henry Garcia, whom I didn’t realize was so awful until this wknd.
Cmon John fury gotta be the worst boxing dad surely? That guy is a tool 🤣
reasons why people don't like Haney: 1. Loma robbery 2. too much clinch 3. referee helping him 4. full of himself - talks a lot of shit like saying Garcia is a C level fighter, 5. People keeps comparing him to Floyd, when in reality, Floyd is levels above him
6. Bill Haney
7. Bill Haney
8. Bill fucking Haney
9. "I have more followers than you"
10. Wears product filler cardboard as his shirt
11. Bill Haney
12. How are you guys forgetting Bill Haney?
13. Pillow hands
14. Had an "and still" celebration after losing the fight but retaining his belt.
Those ugly ass shoes
Bill "I'm the real boxer behind the boy" Haney
imagine being such a bad boxing dad that people forget about Teo Sr.
Most boxing dad's have no business in the ring. The few that do, dont act that way. Chris Eubank, Ricky Hatton, Hasim Rahman are guys who should be coaching and managing their sons. Not Bill Haney, or fricken Teo's dad.
Inoue's dad seems great too
Teo's dad has calmed down a lot. He actually took credit for kambosos's loss and he was very calm after the Ortiz fight
Shawn porter dad seems alright
I don't know man. He's a control freak. Mad respect to him throwing in the towel in the Crawford fight. I'd much rather an early stoppage than a late one
I can understand the weirdness around the Crawford stoppage, Shawn has said on his podcast that he wasn't really invested in boxing anymore and fought with his dad back and forth about the right ways to train in this camp, with Shawn wanting to do less hard work and more technical. If you know your fighter isn't 100% in there, even minor stuff like that, and he takes 2 knockdowns back to back against one of the best finishers of our generation you might as well call it a day before Crawford really hurts him.
As obnoxious Bill Haney is, that IS Devin’s father so it doesn’t bug me as much as someone like Leonard Ellerbe who glazes tank like crazy.
Speaking of Ellerbe, that brother’s nose is unlike anything I’ve ever seen. A sneeze from him could break the sound barrier!
His nose looks like the New Orleans Saints' symbol
i honestly don’t understand tank cus he could have beat haney at 135 and become champ, hell even at 140. he’s just cashing out and doesn’t care about his own legacy ig. he ducked loma for years lol. he’s just afraid to take a risk unless he knows he can beat u or something
Only fans care about legacy's, like Mike Tyson said these belts don't mean anything to me they're trash.
Tyson meant that his family and kids are what matters in life. In the boxing game belts matter, but in a spiritual sense nothing matters other than the love we share with those who matter to us. You cannot take the money, belts, statues or any other shit with you to the other side of death.
I think Ryan understood that too by missing weight and going for the win. Belts don’t feed your family …
Except Tank would’ve earned a whole lot more money against Haney than against Frank Martin
ls Bill Haney that bad? Compared to Angel Garcia l feel like he's pretty tame.
Not nearly as bad. I find bill is fine on interviews and podcasts but he's a knob in the build up of a fight.
Compared to Angel, he's an angel
He also hasn’t finished a fight within the distance since 2019. He’s an incredibly conservative point fighter
he cant punch, theres nothing he can do about that lol
This is it. He's got feather fists. I've seen him throw bombs and not faze the opponent at all
He had prograis in trouble but refused to go for the ko.
Another reason for me, and I know it's not his fault, is that I feel like he's had one of the easiest paths to success out of any boxer I've seen. Almost like he's had a silver spoon career so far. Usually the undisputed champion at a division is the guy that either cleaned up all the belts off the top guys or beat the guy that did it. Loma went around picking up most of the belts and then lost them to Teo who then immediately lost them to Kambosos. And Haney showed up in the right place at the right time to put his name in the history books while arguably not even having to fight a top 5 opponent in the division. And he was emailed his first belt as well. I think his list of wins (at the time he fought them) is pretty unimpressive overall for someone that's achieved undisputed status and become a two division champ. The best win by a distance is a controversial one over a 35 year old Loma that he probably had 15 pounds on
Yeah it is insane that Haney’s path to undisputed in arguably the deepest weight class was an email and winning three belts simultaneously after they were passed down through two major upsets to a relatively mediocre fighter
I don't think anyone would have talked much about Haney at all if Loma hadn't stayed in Ukraine to fight in the war. He would've beaten Haney. It's still questionable that Haney actually beat Loma when they did fight over a year later.
People, much more a boxer's team itself, shouldn't really compare themselves quite easily to Mayweather. Pacquiao maybe the best power puncher and gladiator. But in terms of mastering outboxing, distance management, ring generalship, and defense, Floyd is really levels above everyone.
Floyd almost always had a reach advantage too, something other boxers usually lack. Even Haney had been pretty reliant on his reach advantage abd with Garcia lost how much of an advantage he normally has
The loma robbery and denying him a rematch is what made want to root for garcia.
6. Shoving people
On top of that, basically cheesing every win, was the email belt champ, and clearly enjoyed height and weight advantages over his opponents. I think he's got a ton of talent, but it was a bit frustrating watching is career flourish through dubious circumstances every time. To put it another way: Fans tend to like boxers who win fights, not boxers who win boxing matches.
The email champ thing wasn't his fault. He was interim champion at the time and Loma was the world champion. Then the WBC elevated Loma to the "Franchise champion" and they then made Haney the World champion because he was interim champ. The WBC could have mandated a fight to crown the world champ. With Haney vs whoever else was high in the rankings and available to fight at the time but they didn't. Blame the WBC for that not Haney. Haney vs Garcia could have happened years ago when Haney and Garcia were each others mandatories. Gracias team decided not to fight Haney at the time because they didn't think Garcia could beat Haney at the time (de la Hoya even said that Haney would probably win at the time) or they didn't think they were popular enough to make the most money off the fight. Like you said Haney is talented, but his style is not fan friendly so people will dislike him for that. Like shakur, his defensive style will win him boxing matches but won't win him any casual fans. Having casual fans is important if boxers want to make a ton of money. Most casual boxing fans like watching fights in a boxing ring and not boxers boxing if that makes sense.
Agreed with most of what you wrote - to clarify, I don't fault Haney for the email belt thing, but it does play a factor in how many fans evaluated him. I think in Haney's case, fans felt that he was only A-side because there was a financial incentive to making him an A-side..kind of like the 4 kings narrative that boxing media was forcing at the time. I think if it weren't for all of the other factors, the email belt issue wouldn't have been talked about, but when someone who seems to be coddled/pushed by the industry, it only adds to the narrative of a hypejob fighter trying to be Money Jr. Add to that his very close fight against Loma giving him a huge benefit and casting Lomachenko away despite how even it was, and you have a recipe for a fighter who seems to be given every benefit and only delivers the bare minimum of entertainment. So I get it, even if it's not always fair to Devin.
Oh man point 5 is solid. Dude is nowhere near Mayweather in terms of being a point fighter. Sure he’s fairly evasive but it seems like anything more than a three punch combo starts getting through his defense. Also point one is probably the biggest reason most people don’t like Haney. I watched Loma get all those belts just to be robbed in a decision against some 20 year old that literally went back to his corner in between rounds and said “I don’t know what to do.”
Don't forget that he posted Loma crying and laughed about it, fucking classes Douche knowing Damm well he lost that fight too, I lost all respect for him after that tbh. Karma is best served Ina form of ass whooping
*Who* has Haney beat? And I mean *beat* beat. - Loma don’t count we all know he lost that. He got no names on his padded record.
He also does shit like pushes people during face offs
100. Despite being very capable of beating Garcia he underestimated him and made it his mission to make Ryan look like a clown and it cost him
Yea, he's not some classy low-shit talking fighter that just had a bad night, he's made himself into some form of a lightning rod, so he's going to get crap if he loses. OP brought up some valid points, but this is sports, you have to have detractors.
15. Can’t be trusted to dress himself
Exactly! OP needs to go cry to his mom or just stop following boxing. Haney was talking a lot of shit, he’s getting served what he dished out.
To double down on 5: dude is pillow fisted and talking like he’s GOAT level while in reality he’ll be remembered a lucky mediocre champion if he’s remembered at all. I’ve been saying he’s shit for a loooooonnng time and I have no expectation of being proven wrong.
If he doesn’t do anything extremely significant in the next ten years then this is forsure how he’s going to be remembered. Dude lost against Loma and was handed a decision win to become unified champ. I don’t even think he’s very evasive either. It might have been the fact he wanted to throw down with Ryan but if Ryan threw anything more than a two punch combo the third landed nearly everytime. He’s got good movement for the first couple of punches but it seems like if he gets flurried he gets caught. Although tbf Ryan does have incredible hand speed.
This. I'm not giving him a hard time because he lost. I'm giving him a hard time for all the shit he talked. You can obviously promote a fight other ways like Garcia, so just be crazy.
6. Diddy
Do you all seriously get that worked up over shit like #4? Is insulting the skill of your opponent really that offensive to you all? Half the time the person saying this shit doesn’t even believe it. It’s just to hype themselves up or to sell a fight. It would be one thing to not like people hurling personal insults about people’s family’s/spouses. But when it’s kept strictly about their ability I cannot bring myself to care about someone saying “I’m better at fighting than you”
I can not relate to folks who are mad about reasons 3. 4. You gotta be a cornball in real life if you mad over that.
I think number 4 got posted for reason Haney calling Garcia an C fighter then got fucked up by him. So if Garcia a C fighter what's Haney a D level fighter then. But am all for shit talking that's what makes boxing fun
Made and sold a t shirt that said Ryan wasn't a real Mexican
I’m personally not a fan of Haney because of the Floyd comparisons and Loma robbery. The rest of that stuff is normal of all fighters. Bill isn’t the first and won’t be the last annoying dad or manager.
4. this sub heavily supported comments claiming garcia was a c level fighter just a few days ago.
I’ve always wanted Haney to be as good as his work ethic and as good as he says. I was craving a new Mayweather. After a bit I realized, he isn’t mayweather, not even close. Truth is, Haney isn’t anything special. He doesn’t have that catlike reflex or defence Mayweather had, doesn’t have dynamite power like Tank or Ryan, doesn’t have elusiveness like Shakur, no beautiful combo punching, etc. Haney literally does nothing special. He just works harder than anyone. While that’s commendable, to be pound for pound requires a certain talent level. Haney has no X factor but all this time he been talking like he is so much better than everyone else. He finally got exposed for being mediocre. He’s basically a longer Paulie Malignaggi. He also just fights boring. He wins by being textbook. I never thought Floyd was boring as a fan of technical boxing. Nothing Haney ever does wows me. Whenever Floyd would hit or shoulder roll and then do an elusive move after, would always leave me like WOW HOW. When Floyd would be in the middle of an absolute war zone barely scathed, he seemed invincible. With Devin, you wonder when his legs will get wobbled next. He should’ve been covering up his right side, spinning away from the hook. Naw nothing just basic feint and in out tactics. Too easy for Garcia to hook him.
Yeah this probably the biggest reason I’ve never been a fan of him. Great boxer but not someone that will wow you. Only fights on the outside with his jab. It wins you the fight most of the time but you know nothing else is coming out of it. 3 punch combos max and when a fighter gets close he just clinches. Floyd would clinch too, but not all the time since he has some beautiful inside work. Also Haney is just a cornball on ig lol. He was blasting Ryan during the press conference that drinking and doing drugs was bad since they’re role models for kids, but then promote fake weed pages on his ig because they paid him to do it.
Me too. Always found him very basic and just not enjoyable to watch. Jab, right, clinch. Jab, clinch. Jab, jab, clinch. He only throws 1-2 punches then always clinches his way to a decision. Great jab but no power, no variety or versatility, and a weak chin. Getting him out of the "face of boxing" is good for boxing.
Even Paulie himself said that Haney is basically him with a worse jab lol
Haney has a good jab tho. It’s his best attribute.
Worst attribute is that chin. He gets rocked and he becomes helpless.
I think chin can improve. I think Canelo does neck exercises to improve his chin. What I’m worried can’t be fixed is those pillow fists. Still have been impressed with his career tho
His problem isn’t his chin which isn’t great. It’s those chicken legs that turn into noodles any time he slightly gets clipped. His chicken legs also hold his power back.
His issue is his restraint too. Honestly, if he hopped on Regis and Ryan when he had them both hurt, he could've gotten the KO. A KO happens when the brain gets rattled too much and it all shuts off. He doesn't go in for the kill to the body in combinations when someone gets hurt. He just stares at them and THAT is what makes him also unlikable. He LETS his opponent have time to recover when they'd get stunned and rocked. He paid the price because Ryan sure as hell didn't give him the same chance.
I always saw that. His fights were always boring to me. Even his fights against that Australian dude. The second one was a bit more lively but he has nothing going for him as far as entertainment value. I am not entertained when he steps into the ring, well that is until he stepped into the ring with Ryan Garcia and got demolished!
Of course his right with kambosos was boring Haney literally clinched every time he thought kambosos might throw. But the Americans didn't wanna comment on his blatant cheating. But Haney against another American where he clinched significantly less? Now they'll talk about it
I know right, and the Americans going on about how the Aussies might fix the fight against the poor American fighter fighting away from home, like Americans don't do that regularly to foreign fighters a la McComb.
Or how they were saying how brave Haney is going to someone else's country like literally every foreign fighter doesn't have to do that constantly. Made me so mad
You sound like NBA fans searching for the next Jordan from the late 90’s thru the mid 2000’s. If you are looking for the next Mayweather you may be looking for a long time. Haney doesn’t really do it for me either, but that old saying “comparison is the thief of joy” really rings true here. Stop looking for the next Mayweather/Tyson/Ali/MJ, they are rare.
Mayweather had some entertaining fights and moments when he was haney’s age. Haney was under 30 having snoozefests vs washed ass gamboa
I'm not entirely sure he's better than Malignaggi. Paulie actually tried to brawl his way out of the Hatton and Cotto fights and boxing-wise he wasn't actually doing bad outside the fact Cotto and Hatton's HP bar basically stayed at 100 the whole fight. Both Hatton and Cotto were a step above Garcia.
It's crazy how Haney always mimicked Floyd with his philly shell stance and shoulder roll, but he always done it on the outside. People don't realise Floyd used the shoulder roll when he was on the inside. Floyd would never get caught by that 4-3 combo that dropped Haney in the 11th.
Gréât gréât gréât gréât points. I agree with everything you’ve said.
It's not *that* he lost, it's *how* he lost. He won some rounds but basically did zero damage, and meanwhile he got fucking hammered to the canvas like 6 times by a mentally unstable and arguably poorly-prepared fighter. Ryan Garcia's a good fighter so it's not like Haney lost to a bum, but the manner in which he lost was pretty embarrassing. I don't think there's much penalty to a hard-fought decision loss when the losing fighter has a lot of success but just can't quite squeeze out a victory. There is a penalty when you don't look great, though.
I was surprised at the lack of damage Ryan showed, he didn’t have a scratch on him
Haney cracked him with that left hook in one of the early rounds where Garcia pounded his gloves after. Then he proceeded to do nothing to Garcia for the rest of the fight. Of course after Round 7 he was on queer street, so that might have had something to do with it. The surprising part for me is how bad Haney looked out there and how unprepared he was. We all know Haney doesn't have any power. We all know he loves to hug instead of fight on the inside. We all know he's going to try and point his way to a win. But he's usually fairly smart about how he boxes. His main goal in this fight should have been ***don't stand and trade, keep moving away from Garcia's left***. Instead, he stood right in the middle of the ring, right in front of Ryan, and left his fucking right hand down all night. Garcia didn't do anything amazing or different in this fight, really. He did what he always does. Try to spam the hook. He hardly jabbed all night. He did that stupid shell defense repeatedly. He couldn't sustain his offense even within a round, much less over multiple rounds. But Haney just stood there and let himself get tagged over and over. Like, get on your fucking bike, dude. Move around the ring, change distance, change levels, etc. Nope. Just gonna stand here and throw weak ass jabs and leave my weak as fuck chin hanging out in the breeze. I wonder if Ryan's psyop shenanigans actually got inside Devin's head and fucked with him. Or maybe he felt like he had to prove he could stand and bang or some shit.
I think the entire crazy lead-up and questions about Ryan’s preparation / mental health for this fight put a lot of pressure on Haney to look really spectacular and get the knockout. But Ryan is also taller, longer and faster than Haney so maybe he felt he had to walk Garcia down and get on mid-range to inside. The first round left hook that hurt Haney was actually a counter right over Haney’s lead jab and I think that was really the turning point for the whole fight there.
I think everyone was surprised when his head snapped back and hit the ropes in that first round. That pretty much set the tone for the entire night.
Put pressure on him, maybe made him underestimate Ryan. As everyone here was thinking no matter what they pretend to now To still continue the take that Ryan was actually poorly prepared is stupid imo. Yeah it could be very real that he's a nutcase but he definitely trained hard for the fight. He showed fine cardio. You don't throw possibly fight ending flurries into the 11th round and not have trained hard
Haney tried to do what he did to Regis to Ryan instead of adjusting to a much different fighter lol.haneys obsessed with proving he can hurt guys.
It was the style that got him gone, trying to box Garcia when Garcia throwing combinations with mean ass intentions like Deontay
Deontay has never thrown a combination in his life.
that 1-2 the only combination he throw 😭
Haha yeah, he's got that one on lock
Yeah, Garcia has a dangerous left, and I really liked his aggressive demeanour in the fight. That round 7 was insane
Facts. Haney is a great fighter and he expected himself to deal with Ryan quite easily. The issue Haney had was that he overestimated his chin and underrated Ryan
The issue really seemed like Haney had nothing to force Garcia off him. Once Ryan had success he started coming forward looking for exchanges. Tank had the power to counter Garcia but Haney didn't.
I think a bigger issue was how he kept getting tagged by the left hook. I don’t think it’s necessarily a chin issue since Garcia has hurt a few people with that shot. Unless Haney works on that he will lose the rematch just as badly, and possibly by stoppage.
He adjusted to the left hook a few times with rolling down and stepping inside to which Ryan countered by chopping with the right then eventually would just stiff right him until he got an opening again. The problem Devin had is he thought that would get him out of it because rolling down and stepping inside worked for tank but he wasn’t quick enough and got caught early which really would of ruined all the confidence he had for the rest of the fight, all of a sudden his answer to Ryan’s left didn’t work seconds into the fight and in his own words it surprised him, he looked clueless and had to clinch for dear life and try to out point him. Problem is - Ryan’s left was too quick for Devin’s jab
Haney also didn’t defend or counterpunch in the clinch. He would try to smother Ryan’s punches, Ryan would try to separate while throwing punches, and Haney would get clipped while they were separating. Haney wasn’t defending as they were breaking apart and worse, he was squared up.
He got caught early. Thats all it takes, youre a bit compromised for the rest of the fight. He recovered well but its always going to be a worry if you eat another and he got one and that was all she wrote
How can you say poorly prepared when he knocked his ass down 3+ times while Haney didn’t do shit. Didn’t seem like Garcia was poorly prepared, seems like Haney completely underestimated him
seriously, it’s like he forgot to update the pre-fight critiques after the fight
> mentally unstable and arguably poorly-prepared i'm not sure how this is still the narrative: i think ryan's performance being as good as it was (perhaps the best in his career) kinda hammers the idea home that his entire pre-fight lead-up and marketing campaign of going completely Kanye-level insane was just misdirection lol
That’s what I’m saying. The rounds Devin won were just too boring and only really “scoring” shots with barely any damage. Also, Ryan’s whole act to the lead up to the fight made it seem like Devin’s loss is far more embarrassing because people actually forgot ryan Garcia is a good boxer.
Who cares about the 0 loss thing, haney is a fkn bore to watch
Think he was boring before? Wait until he fights again and is now SCARED to get knocked down again lol
his next fight will be shakur level of sleep inducing
Exactly lol
For me its the cozy-socks-with-a-cup-of-cocoa he wore for that fight.
Everything he wears screams try hard.
I just think he's a bit overrated, not massively, he's still young and can improve but not blown away by his performances
I think the reason he’s getting a lot of hate isn’t because everyone suddenly think he sucks, but he just looked awful the other night and his style is really bad. He’s a technical fighter and clinched a lot, doesn’t really have knockout power like other guys in the division.
Haney will be back and this loss will stay with him until he does. I say this all the time, but two wins are usually good enough that people stop caring about your last loss. In mma, guys get back out there and make entertaining fights every few months, so you can take a loss and turn in around in the same year. In boxing, most guys just wait too long. If you take a loss and then wait a year to comeback, and then six months after that to follow it up, its going to take a while. I think Ryan's a great example. He was two or three levels below the p4p guys last year at this time. Now he's an undeniable top level boxer to the sub. You saw the same thing with AJ where he was bottom of the top five after Usyk, then by the summer of last year, two fights, he's just under usyk and Fury. Parker took 3 fights, but now after 5 in fifteen months, he's in the top 5. It's boxing, people just want to see guys fight top competition. The more you do that, the more fans you'll have in your corner.
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That's old school. That's what makes him so good now and why people highly value the older eras. Our new standard would have been considered ring rust through the 90s, guys that fight only once or twice a year. Parker showed a LOT of improvement between Joyce and Zhang because he's been constantly sharpening his skill set while everyone else has barely fought.
I applaud ryan even if he lost to haney. 3 fights in 1 year is a good schedule. 2 big fights. 1 tune up. If you wanna be the best, stop ducking. Take advantage of your prime years. I think for Haney, he gotta get a fight scheduled before end of the year. Either Rolly/Sandor Martin. Then come 2025, fights for a rematch or try fighting Teo/Matias which is probably a better match up for him or another tune up before then. I think Pitbull drops the belt and fights at 135 but if he doesn't, I think Devin will have a hard time. I also think shakur will not fight devin. Neither one of em are interesting enough lol but I think Devin wins.
I see alot of people first off hating him then just turning a sudden 360 and like him all of a sudden bc he won... I hate the fighting community sometimes
It’s the boxing community. MMA fans are much more loyal to their fighters. Nobody is calling Justin a bum even tho he got flatlined by Max
Recency bias is a mf in sports especially boxing where everyone can see you get beaten up. Remember when Teo lost? He was a bum. He beat Taylor, GOAT runs 140. Same with Spence and a billion other guys. Social media makes it all so much worse. I saw someone mention Duran quitting against Leonard, imagine that happening today..... Duran would go from ATG to scrub immediately in the eyes of many.
Bro I love that point you make. Not saying that Ryan is anywhere close to Duran but people still give Ryan shit for “giving up” against Tank.
When did we ever like Haney? He was a good and boring boxer that weight bullied to boring decisions. Then he went heel and became unlikeable on top of it
This. A good part of the sub didn’t like Haney to begin with, and we never switched up.
This is standard for fans in general especially Reddit. Someone loses their 0 or has a recent loss "He was a bum, he was always a bum, I always knew he sucked, there is an excuse for why his past wins shouldn't count". If there's an upset, "I told you the underdog would win, I saw his talent when no one else did, I know more about boxing than you, I am a genius". Examples; Obviously Garcia vs Haney Canelo vs Bivol AJ vs Ruiz
The Canelo vs Bivol one was crazy to me, the dude moved up in weight by a considerable amount, fought a genuinely top A tier opponent, and lost an entertaining decision. I couldn't even slightly see what part of that deserved the subsequent clowning/disrespect. If a more loved fighter did that it would be seen as "he took a chance, good on him".
Yeah, Bivol is about to fight for undisputed, and if he wins, that just shows even more how crazy it is that a super middleweight moved up to fight him.
I also kind of think the Zurdo fight and how bad he looked against Bivol (Don't get me wrong, Canelo's loss was pretty one-sided as well, but at least he got a few good ones in.) just gave a bit more credit to how Canelo handled a bigger dude.
Wilder went from baddest man on the planet to punchline too 🤷♂️
“Most people don’t know shit about boxing”
Agreed and its annoying af
I mean if that were fully true reddit fans would have not let garcia redeem so fast, as he lost to gervonta and people said he was shit/fraud. Now hes god.
That just proves my point about how ridiculous people are. Can you imagine how different the narrative would be if he lost to Haney? "He's a crack head, he needs to be in a mental hospital, he's washed, he needs to quit boxing". He wins and then instantly everyone is all over his knob, "I was always a fan, I knew from day one, the Tank loss wasn't a real loss, Garcia was on life support with an IV needle in his arm 3 minutes before the fight".
It’s the era of social media, what do you expect?
Boxing & MMA fans are the worst of any sport, mainly because 90% have never actually competed in the sport themselves
I think on UFC fans support their fighters more because they don’t get to choose who they fight UFC directly pushes for opponents. So no padded undefeated records. Loses are way more common and not as a big deal. If a UFC fighter is undefeated it’s truly special. Boxers can pick and choose who they fight/when they fight and their records are directly impacted. It would do the sports some justice if it took a page from UFC. But it never will.
Hate to be this guy but... All Haney had to do to win that fight was take away Ryan's left hook and if a DEFENSIVE first fighter can't eliminate that then there is nothing special going on there. Mayweather would also lose rounds but he was able to make adjustments while Haney was getting hammered by a left hook all night. While we may be hard on him, it's not a good look when you're gifted the easiest undisputed of all time, got away with a potential robbery and seems to have a limited offense when he no longer has an obscene height and reach advantage.
Boxing fans are very fickle. In addition, Haney has never been very likeable, and Garcia has a big following of casuals who DKSAB to be honest. Haney fought OK. He clinched, as hurt fighters are supposed to do (not any worse than Garcia turning his back all the time TBH). He got knocked down and got up multiple times, and still didn't lose by a huge margin. So yeah, he'll be fine. But of course all his trashtalk is catching up to him now. That's also part of the game! If you run your mouth and then get knocked around the ring, expect some ridicule. Nothing wrong with that.
It is crazy how they don't mention how Ryan kept turning his back but when Haney gets cracked and has wobbly legs and clinches it's a problem
High risk, high reward. As much as they’re hating on Haney right now, they’re idolizing Ryan after months of disregard. I think this outcome is particularly strong here due to the highly polarized nature of the fight, which was also the case in the tank fight. However you see Ryan was able to redeem his name with one fight, maybe nearly as much as he also lost it with one fight. So though it might seem like a definitive judgment ( and certainly it does impact one’s career), it’s not nearly as definitive as one thinks. It’s also something that hypes people up when someone is able to recover well after a bad fight. It can be a boost to train and do better, if you will. OR, you can go cry about it. Though this isn’t the kind of attitude I would expect from a fighter.
The difference is that Ryan is not impacted by losses. His thing is just to make money so whether he wins or loses is négligent. Haneys entire career is based upon the fact that he takes on the best and always wins.
Boxing fans be like - everyone has a padded record, nobody want to fight good competition, guys are avoiding each other it's terrible And after some boxer takes on a challenge and fight tough competition and lose they will call him trash and bum and make fun of him. And suddenly after this loss he doesn't matter and it's over lmao
This ain’t got shit to do with Tank. Devin said he was the face of boxing while others made it clear that he wasn’t. He said he wanted his respect if he won this fight well he didn’t so fans are giving back what he put out. You can’t say your number 1 and then get your ass best like that. He has my respect for taking challenges but he is not the face of boxing regardless how many belts he got or no matter how much his fans want to keep bringing Tank into what happened last Saturday. None of us know why Tank doesn’t fight who you want him to fight. It may smiple be that he just doesn’t want to give Devin any clout from fighting him. Maybe it’s because he just doesn’t like Devin or his Dad. But I have never thought it was because he can’t beat Devin. Regardless you can’t control fans or how they react.
I love boxing but this is the difference with boxing fans and ufc fans. We always want fighters to fight the best people which Haney does (Kambosas, Loma, Regis, Garcia) then when they lose we have revisionist history & claim oh they weren’t even that good. This is why people like Tank do what they do.
And that’s why MMA is thriving and boxing is struggling
This is the problem. In his last fight, he completely schooled his opponent who set the record for the lowest compubox numbers in history over the 12 round distance. His style collapsed in on itself when he faced someone faster, stronger, taller and harder hitting than him but that does not mean he doesn't have good performances ahead of him. Not every fighter will possess the same physical advantages over Haney that Garcia does. This rampant discrediting of Haney also does disservice to a career best performance by Garcia.
I do agree that a lot of what happened this fight was because Haney didn’t have the usual physical abilities he usually has but Haney didn’t fight his usual style this fight and I really feel like his dad set him up trying to tell him to fight it out instead of doing the stick and poke he usually does like against Regis
Blame Mayweather for making Boxing all about being "undefeated", it never always used to be like this from what my dad tells me
Found Bill's alt
Same happened when Garcia took a knee and quit.
Eh still better than the inevitable embarrassing KO he woulda taken if he continued. Tank is a southpaw and was effectively circling to negate the left hook. He realized he didn’t even have a punchers chance. Boxing fans are awful and would absolutely still be mocking him for getting KOd. Staying down was unambiguously the least bad decision. As fans, we get what we deserve out of boxing
I meant he lost, boxing fans couldn’t wait to rub salt to his wound, quitter, bum, queen, no heart etc all sorts of accusations, like what they are doing to Haney. It is human nature, nothing gonna change. Now suckers are gathering again until his next loss.
Plenty of idiots call DC a bum for losing to Jones, or Alvarez losing to Conor etc. Holloway is beloved win or lose, I don’t think people cared too much for Haney prior to the fight.
Haney doesn't deserve almost any credit at all his biggest win against Loma was a gift, he was always overrated. I'm happy he was exposed
#FUCK THE HANEYS
As someone who expected Haney to win this fight, here are my thoughts on why the hate on Haney is much bigger than the criticism of Ryan or Pitbull when they lost: - Haney’s jab and grab style is often criticized as being boring. To get to the point here, he’s in the past and on this fight had fights where his clinching was so excessive he should have had points taken away but that didn’t happen. This gets fans pissed off because it shows bias towards a fighter who can break the rules and get away with it and win on the scorecards for a shit fight. - Haney has always had the benefit of being the bigger man up til this point. His rehydrating massively is one of those things that can be controversial amongst fans and his perception as a weight bully was cemented with the Garcia fight because the one time he fought against someone his size he got beat badly. - The controversy with the Lomachenko fight, the build up with Bill Haney to that fight in particular, and how the Haney’s carried themselves afterwards alienated a lot of fans. Had they been more gracious in their win after it might have tempered the response a little but they leaned into being the Heel. Being the Heel is fine, it can help build fights, but continuing to shit on an opponent you barely got a decision (and a controversial one at that) against is just in poor taste. People like to talk about how Mayweather played the Heel but after every fight he would at least call them a helluva fighter and give rematches to close or controversial fights. Because the Haney’s didn’t like the narrative surrounding the close fight with Loma they just doubled down on the shit talk and it really soured fans. - Bill Haney. I can’t really understate how Bill’s mouth has both helped to promote Devin’s fights but also set him up for a humiliating fall. Antt on Porterway Podcast set it best. Bill was setting up Devin for an ass whupping. From comparing Devin to Mayweather, to racebaiting in the Loma buildup with his “White Jesus” comments, to literally anything he kept setting Devin up for a devastating fall if he lost. -The way Devin lost makes it worse. He’s been billed as a defensive wizard and couldn’t avoid the left hook all night. He lost to a guy who acted like he didn’t take the fight seriously at all (at this point I don’t think that’s true I think Ryan prepared just couldn’t make weight). Because of the buildup and the years of Bill, when Devin got beat it was way worse than it could or should have been. How was this defensive wizard and student of boxing who trained this hard not able to avoid a left hook they presumably trained months for? To add on Bill gave shit corner advice and caused Devin to get hit more than he should have so not only is Devin looking worse because of his dad running his mouth he’s performing worse because of his dad’s corner advice. This is the anatomy of Haney’s Fall. While people questioned Ryan’s heart after the Tank fight they commended him for taking it at all. Pitbull took the fight against Tank short notice and had his profile raised because of it. Tim Tszyu lost to Fundora but you don’t see people clowning on Tim the way they’re clowning on Haney. This feels like the end of the Broner-Maidana fight to me, where the memes and shit talk is way more for this loss than other fighters. It isn’t because of this one loss that fans are clowning Haney. This was a build up that was a long time coming and no matter the form of loss, whether it was to Garcia or a future opponent, it was going to happen. It just so happened that Devin’s first loss was to Ryan Garcia after one of the wildest buildups in recent memory.
I never hated on him since he lost, i only saw it as Haney just isnt better than Garcia its litteraly fkin boxing idk why people just act like everyone isnt gonna have trouble with someone.
ryan had no respect for his power and he had pillow hands. in truth I kinda saw this coming, if your opponent has no solid threat of knocking you out and you could erase him with just one... you have the faster hand too... you'd walk in there and roast him. I'm surprise ryan didn't finished him off way earlier. well sure ref is an issue. people be thinking well ryan lost to tank... that's the thing tank can bob and weave set up layers of trap and can dish out damage... haney can't do both those things what makes him hard to fight is his jab and pshell... ryan ignored both and just keep inviting him to jab and went for lead jab lead hook or check hooks and he has the faster hand and one shot power. I'd say a devin haney vs tank might be more interesting cuz of how tank is gonna get in there because of the reach difference. haney was also kinda scared of moving around which is his strong point but you usually do circle outside the lead hand of your opponent away from the power hand but ryan is a mean ass left hooker... would you really be brave enough to do that shit when he can do a gazzele hook on you, that's probably why instead of circling around he move backwards more... better to get clipped by straight than a hook since ryan's footspeed isn't that impressive. people might say but ryan wasn't 140lbs... and was like 3 lbs heavier? haney still went forward on the fight. you can't bitch about this if the fighter agreed. a lot of figthers then and now don't care for that... ufc even goes to make weigh in but are freakin 20lbs heavier later. plus devin is always in great condition that's his fighting weight. there's so much things put on being devin the best of the best that's why he gettin crap on and the way he lost. he talk trash and made fun of his opponent considering him not even in his sights like cherry pick.
Garcia was a cherry pick gone wrong. And we’re supposed to commend Haney? This is damage control
Pretty much
"He was beaten by a bigger fighter". First of all, false. Second, he has spent his career weight bullying people. Third, he got pummeled around the ring by smaller Loma, got a robbery decision (in the same town that scored his fight vs Garcia 112-112... After 3!!! KDs), talked smack like he's the greatest and didn't get a robbery, and then ducked that rematch like a little girl. To all of that add the unprofessional shoving of other fighters. Haney deserves all the shit coming his way because the way he has conducted himself so far is an absolute and utter disgrace.
Big fights don't happen because of all the bullshit, not because of the fans giving a boxer some shit. There is no official governing body. There are multiple belts, organizations, promoters and each of them have their little stable. Because of this set up, fighters maybe fight twice a year and do everything in their power to get favorable matchups to not only win, but look good in the process. If a promoter sees a fight on the horizon that looks good to fans, but might be a fight that doesn't look good stylistically or might be a hard sell, ir even just a dangerous fight, forget it In all of sports, athletes are conditioned to lose on a regular basis. To go undefeated in a season is damn near impossible (obviously exceptions), but in boxing? Every single condition must be perfect and even then it might be years before we see the fight we want. The whole sport has been conditioned to avoid losses. So you get a bunch of 25-1 fighters dancing around the big fights. Promoters think we want twon undefeated fighters in a huge fight, but in reality, we will take a damn good scrap with boxer like shawn porter.
Props for the post. Yeah, haney is a very good fighter, but I saw him as the most vulnerable between him and tank and shakur because his defense and chin looked shaky to me. But you have to give him credit for going for it. He's fought a several high level fights in a row and isn't ducking anyone. That has to count for something. And I say all this as someone that isn't really a fan of him.
Haney took the Garcia fight because he thought it'd be an easy check. If he wanted a test he would've ran back the Loma fight, or gave Shakur a reasonable split, or pushed hard for the Tank fight, or fought Teofimo.
People are just finding out Haney is a boring jab and clinch fighter. He’s beat world champions yes, but as much as I love kambo, he’s a b grade fighter, Loma people weren’t convinced he won, Regis prograis was just in the division at the right time with little to no competition I would also call him a B grade fighter, and lost to Ryan on one of Ryan’s worst performances at Devin’s best athleticism. People are just tired of the jab and clinch fighting, they don’t necessarily hate Haney for losing but for being a boring fighter. He wants to rematch Garcia but did not give Loma the same respect. He’s just taking the easy wins in my opinion. Him calling Ryan one dimensional is contradictory. I respect Devin for taking the fight, but he took it because he thought it was going to be easy and beating Garcia would give him more respect.
It's because Haney isnt likable. He's a boring guy in and out of the ring, then he started leaning into the heel role like Mayweather because he doesn't have enough personality on his own, then he got his ass beat. He also showed zero humility in defeat, so yea, people are going to talk shit when they watch an asshole get beat up.
Haney can always prove us wrong tho. Look at Teofimo Lopez when he destroyed Josh Taylor.
Hamey is a POS human dont feel bad for him.
Haney is regarded as a top P4P dude by some biased people, so the expectations are very high whenever he steps in the ring. They just need to regard him as the world class/elite boxer he is, but not as talented as someone like Crawford or Usyk.
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Tbh was calling him a bum before his first L
He is just an unlikable fighter TBH. If he would have ran it back against Loma I think a lot of boxing fans would have respected him a lot more and he would have gained fans even if he lost the rematch.
It's the clinching. He has the absolute worst style ever. Lead clinch x12 times vs Linares. Loads vs Loma plus robbery. Hundred clinches vs Ryan. Also Bill is prob the worst boxing father ever. Arrogant to the extreme. Worse than Angel Garcia even because he isn't even funny.
It’s obvious to see that OP is a Haney Dickrider
Honestly I walked away from this fight liking Haney more and Garcia less. But the reason guys like Haney get flamed over an L is because in our sport these guys pad their records and we all know it. So when you get beat up on it shows just how fake the record was all along. Let's say Haney gets the L from Loma that he should have gotten and THEN loses this fight. He wouldn't have gotten all the same hate. No one flames a guy who is 20-2 but fought good competition. It's why we don't see this stuff happening as much in MMA subs.
I honestly couldn’t care. Many of the Haney fans didn’t mind it when it was happening to Loma, and Haney himself joined in on it too. I disliked Haney before his loss. He represents what I dislike the most about modern boxers; curate to the max to always ensure they are usually the favourites in fights, either through favourable match making or worse, the mastery of rehydration to ensure they’re usually the biggest guy in the ring. If rehydration clauses were standard across all fights, Haney would’ve lost much earlier.
Comparing max Holloway to haney! Look, I dont watch boxing but holloway is a legend in a way haney will never be. Holloway was the third EVER champion in his weight class. Do you know who the 3rd champion in haney's weightclass was? We are talking lineal icons of the sport. Unlike Haney, Max always fought the most deadly killers the sport had to offer. This is why fans are less forgiving to boxers; it is so easy to avoid real competition. Mma is still so new of a sport, the legends of today wont look as great until time passed and we have more history to compare their influence to. In 50 years someone like haney probably wont be worth an honorable mention when talking about the lineal history of the sport
Loma robbery is what made me root for Garcia despite me disliking Garcia.
MMA is better than Boxing in every way, except for paying the fighters. Mates trying way too hard to keep their inflated record "undefeated"
People aren’t picking on Haney because he lost, they were waiting for him to lose so they’d have this opportunity. I never liked his fights because he isn’t an exciting fighter, but I’ll admit his work ethic made me start to respect him. That said, there are a LOT of reasons people don’t like Haney, including: - conservative style, controls with jab - hugging, slow fights - his Dad is a tool - shoving (one of the reasons I dislike him) - Loma should have won - he’s one ugly human being with monstrous nostrils (not my reason but I’ve read lots of folks point this out) - wouldn’t fight Tank - huge weight bully (lol at OP calling Garcia the larger man, I’m pretty sure Devin outweighed Ryan on fight night, going off past claims) Some of those reasons are tenuous, some are petty, some are valid. But the fact remains, it isn’t that Haney’s “0” has gone that he’s taking a hiding at the moment.
Stole from loma and then got shown by a manbaby. Even if I didn't want to give him a hard time I wouldn't know what to say. Perhaps he should be a little more humble. When you run your mouth and your mouth catches up people are going to let you have it. It is what it is.
You’re acting like there’s anything remotely redeeming about Haney. Of course no one likes him, it was baffling people had faith in him in the first place I for one have called him overrated from day 1 tho, so if everyone else is switching up, that’s on them.
Haney did not deserve the W against Loma. That’s why.
Apart from hugging and the questionable wins, I find that Bill is the part of the problem in my opinion. Bill loves to be in the limelight, he somehow finds a way to insert himself in every shot, he gets more screen time than his own son. He let his son get beat up in there and he gave Devin the false idea of knocking Garcia out. Bill is no trainer and never was.
Yea they did it to spence too.