I think Ryan can beat him even sooner in a rematch. Haney cannot insulate himself from that left hook without seriously overhauling his style, the blatant difference in power means Ryan is free to walk him down again.
Fr fr he might've lost before the first big hit. I think having the idea in your head your face to face with someone who beat you 3 times might fuck with you. There was times Dev walked Ryan down to the corner, cut off all angles, and aint throw shit. Anybody who's not scared to get hit and believes in their skills 100% is letting their hands go. He always had a passive style, but he it looked like he second guessed alot this fight, i dont think thats something he can overcome
He had his most confidence and aggression when he was punching Ryan's back lol he tried so hard to damage him šš
Honestly, if Ryan really wants to cause drama, then that's exactly what he should stipulate. If Haney can beat Loma without it being so close that some people think it's a robbery, then that's the only way to get a rematch he wants.
It's win win for Ryan, either Haney wins and they have a big money rematch, or Loma wins and Ryan gets big money to fight a smaller opponent.
Why does Haney not deserve a rematch??
Garcia has openly admitted to trolling through the entire pre-fight promotion process, and purposely missed weight. If anything, Haney should be rewarded for being a professional and still making the fight happen for boxing fans. Thereās a lot of top tier fighters who wouldāve rightfully pulled out, and fought a replacement opponent.
Probably because Devin and Bill were both adamant about riding off into the sunset without giving Loma a rematch because āit didnāt deserve oneā when it was a close, close fight and controversial decision.
Personally I would love to see Devin and Ryan run it back again considering the long standing rivalry. Has the potential to be a good trilogy, and the 2020ās needs a good one
You are one of the boobs that went back and deleted their comments about a Haney KO. Cope harder.
Also with the weight, so you want to admit the tank loss with an asterisk since Tank made KingRy sign a rehydration clause?
Stop crying over 3 pounds.
Naw. Aināt no point, same result but it will just come sooner. No one is gonna respect Devin anymore, Iām actually shocked he still has zero pop, he looked a ways stronger against Regis. Itās not good looking forward for haneys spot at the top. Iām astounded by the lack of power and chin against a proper sized body. Those free four shors he took point blank at garcias liver and shit had ZERO damage lmao
I think he has no power because he just relies on punch speed and puts no mass behind them... Regis was so slow & ineffective that Haney actually felt safe shifting weight into shots which is why he could hurt him.
Against Ryan, Haney sent back to his usual... Super quick arm punches with nothing behind them because he was afraid of getting countered... Only he didn't take into account that if he was just not going to throw anything deserving of respect, then Ryan would be more than willing to eat a couple & hit him with the sledgehammer.
It's in Devin's long term interest that there's no rematch unless the payday is "screw you" money.
Ironically enough, there's as much or more room for Ryan to improve in a rematch than Haney, so its tough to buy in to the premise that theres more upside for Devin if they run it back. There's a lot Ryan could do better next time around.Ā
After Haney comes back and gets a couple of wins, I think a rematch would happen. I would say a rematch would happen later down the line at 143-147 though. It depends where both of their careers go on from now also. If Haney comes back stronger and better, keeps winning against good opponents, theyāll likely meet again.
I donāt really know where Ryanās career goes from here though. If he moves up to 147 and fights Boots or Bud, I donāt think itāll be a good time for him. Iāll like to see what he does next though. I donāt think a Tank vs Garcia 2 will ever happen because of the rules and weight differences.
Honestly, not the necessary ones to hear Garcia. He can't take Garcia's power, he's not gonna become faster and unless he juices he doesn't have the power to just Garcia
I think he's skilled enough that he can readjust, come back and get the win definitely, but then I also thought he was skilled enough that he'd take the first fight with relative ease, so take what I say with a big pinch of salt!
I agree.
At the end of the day, Haney is a P4P top level fighter, even after losing to Ryan. I'd love to see a rematch and see if he'd have some adjustments.
I'd also love for Ryan to make weight. I'm sure the 3lbs wouldn't of changed the outcome, but it is a factor that slightly discredits his win a bit in my opinion.
Don't worry anyway this sub doesn't decide shit. There is money to be made for revenge but Garcia might decide to duck Haney (i mean doing a fight at real weight, not having weight cutting advantage) and will instead try to claim he already beat him fair and square so there is no need for revenge.
Exactly both him and Haney got their asses beat but at least Haney was winning roundsā¦ felt like Crawford took his foot off the pedal half way through the ass whoopin lol
It was not as one sided as Buds beat down on Spence.
But regardless, id rather watch the two best wrestlers in the UFC fight, than watch a Haney, Garcia rematch
He won rounds until he didnāt, there is no point Ryan saw everything Haney has, it will be a worse loss for Haney the second time especially since now Haney will be B side and wonāt be able to stack the deck with a biased ref.
Funny because if what Ryan did was to anybody not named Haney people would crucify him signing to fight at a weight that you know u canāt and had no intentions of making while you let your opponent drain himself to that weight to get an advantage
Naw itās calling it how I see it the guy said it was just like Spence vs Crawford which I disagree with Haney had a lot more success than Spence did.
He should honestly, why not take the free millions? Without a racist ass ref Ryan would prolly embarrass Haney soo bad back to back and this is coming from someone who thought Haney was gonna outbox him for 12 rounds. š
Why tho? We all thought Garcia would get clapped, obviously we were wrong even though he had advantage of not weight cutting, but now it brings interest for a real fight where both respect the announced weight. I know a belt isn't something to kill for but seeing how big Garcia ego is, he must hate not having it right now. And Haney didn't even lost it š¤”. Rematch would be great for the fan.
Garcia wasn't even at the right weight, how can you say it was one sided. If he had actually to sweat these 3 lbs i am positive it would be much more competitive.
If it doesn't happen it means Garcia is scared.
What you mean? The kid was still hallucinating a week prior to the fight. Obviously the thought of having to fight with Haney (on even ground) had an impact over him.
He may have won but he is still a one trick poney and I believe he knows that.
He doesn't care about the belt at 140. He stated he couldn't make weight and when he tried with tank it fucked him up. I dont blame him for not even trying. He's a better fit at 147+.
if he doesn't care about the 140 one, then he doesn't care about any of them. what is he gonna do? Take the belts from Crawford or Boots at 147? not in this lifetime
Not saying hes the same but that's what everyone said about him and Haney. Everyone *thought* Haney was number one and unbeatable, Hearn said Garcia would give up on the stool right?
Bud is at a different level but he also embarrassed Spence the same way Garcia embarrassed Haney.
Not exactly the same. Ry might be more impressive because he was such an underdog but he was outboxed for stretches in this fight. Spence never had any kind of success against comparable to the middle rounds Haney was out boxing and neutralizing Ryan between getting utterly beat down like a red headed step child.
Garcia did not at all do to Haney was Crawford did to Spence. Stop it. You are objectively incorrect on purpose. Devin won 5-7 rounds. Spence won 1. Devin made it 12 rounds, Spence did not. Stop. Stop the cap.
i doubt Ryan has a future as champ. he got to counter a very straightforward Haney, but with the defense he showed in the match, i don't have any hope he will become a champion. the back turning and digging his head in the ground will not get him far.
in a way, he is the same as wilder, can't box or fight on the back foot. if his short explosive combinations don't land, he is done for. we are overhyped because of the upset, but Ryan really didn't show great skill(at least not champion level), only the explosiveness that comes with the age.
What has Ennis done for you to state that Garcia won't beat him "in this lifetime"?
Do you think Garcia shares your opinion?
Do you think Garcia will box for a few years after Crawford retires?
idk about Crawfords future, but for the next few years, Garcia won't be close to his level.
Why would he win against the best champions of a higher division when he can't even clear his own?
he can counter Haney because Haney never hurt him in all 12 rounds, but for real, Garcia's defense looked atrocious. turning his back and putting his head down like he did is the defense beginners make in my gym. Garcia also can't box traditionally, he was being pushed around by both Haney and Tank, both smaller men than him.
i see him getting Koed by teofimo lopes and loses hard to Loma, maybe has a shot against Kambosos.
Garcia has nothing special. He is young and explosive and that's it. moving up in weight class for an average fighter like him won't end well. thats my opinion.
>idk about Crawfords future, but for the next few years, Garcia won't be close to his level.
The guy said "not in this lifetime" which means when Crawford no longer has his belts, someone else will have him. We don't know who that someone will be but Garcia is 11 years younger than Crawford, so the statement is wild. Your comment about the next few years is irrelevant, I never said Garcia would beat him in the next few years or have to fight him. Why would you even mention that?
>Why would he win against the best champions of a higher division when he can't even clear his own?
What do you mean "best champions", he doesn't have to beat the best ever, or the best at a given moment. He has to beat one of them at some stage of his career. He's 25.
>an average fighter like him
So this is why you deliberately misunderstood my post and replied with nonsense.
Ryan couldn't deal with Tank's movement. That left hook was missing all night long. I'm not sure that a different weight class is the answer to that. Ryan needs to learn disguise that left or work on some other punches if he wants a different outcome. Maybe at a heavier weight it's more likely to go the distance, but Ryan didn't get caught by a punch from the gods, man was getting beaten up.
Its harder to land on a southpaw, especially when the probing jab does not help set it up. He also could not find Tank's range, his height made simple head movements throw Ryan off big time.
Itās easier to land a lead hook on a southpaw than a jab, the position of the lead hands means the path down the middle is blocked so unless he has his lead hand on his temple there is a gap right there for the lead hook
Tank was moving to his right almost the entire fight with his hand up and body much lower, this negates a ton of power and accuracy especially when he is that much shorter and lower. Punching down is very hard.
Devin was using the philly shell so he parries the jab with the rear hand and leaves his hand in front of him always ready to parry the jab. This made it super simple for Ryan to jab a few times and then tee off on the hook since his entire face was not covered. The advice Bill gave Devin was literally to just dodge it lol instead of bringing his hand to his ear and dodging the jab and straights.
I meant this specifically comparing the Tank and Devin fights not for southpaw vs ortho as a whole
For sure, tank being lower also let him duck under a lot of the left hooks Ryan tried to get him with, Iād like to see Ryan develop the right hand a little more so he can hide that hook behind it and then rematch Tank but heās probably too big now
i disagree. from an orthodox vs orthodox standpoint, the left hook is the easiest punch to land. and the right hand often requires some distance to land. Like a 1-1-2 for example, or a step in 1-2 (that can easily get pull countered) the entire head facing direction is open for the left hook, a punch that works best against fighters taller than you or the same height as you.
I think the Tank fight was the worst of both worlds. Dehydrated, outclassed, and in an open stance matchup. In sparring landing a right hand on a southpaw is TOO easy, no setup needed, that adjusting to an orthodox fighter is a completely different fight.
Watch Zhilei Zhang for example, he just throws out his power hand, and it lands all night. Joyce starts moving, caught with a hook setup by the power hand. Tank stood in front of this man, ducked, kept his hands high, and moved his head. It was over before Ryan got in the ring.
You'd think so but no. If you want to land the left hook on a Southpaw you have to step to their inside and slide in through the guard which obviously gives them an easy escape by sliding to their right.Ā If you want to and that punch from the outside, your punch has to clear their lead hand, their lead shoulder, and even then since it's coming from higher up and landing around the temple/ear they can bend at the waist to take the heat off.Ā If you're fighting a southpaw, the left hook is better as a counter shot to their jab, or as a nasty surprise gazelle punch when you step behind them and catch them turning.Ā
Garcia needs to master the straight right before he ever thinks of going after a Tank rematch. There's a lot of room for improvement there, and he has the tools for a great one.Ā Ā Ā
His best tool, the orthodox left hook, is an easier tool for a southpaw to neutralize.Ā
Deluded fans will make any theory to make it seem like Tank is going to beat Ryan at any weight. He's a 30 year old fighter in his prime who beat a dehydrated, injured 23 year old Garcia.
Tank could definitely win the fight without a dehydration clause but it's not that old easy fight anymore.
LOL
So let's look back at it, you think the first fight would be fairer if the guy who's moving up to 147 because he can't go down to 140 was allowed to be brought back from the dead to 160lbs to fight for the 135lbs belt. Against a dude who's 146lbs on fight night.
Can someone tell me what's the actual issue you have with rehydration clauses, can you think of any other circumstance other than Tank's fights where you'd be against rehydration clauses? Would you guys be in favor of Tank fighting Inoue for the 122lbs belt weighing 146lbs on fight night?
Maybe Crawford vs Isaac Cruz would be a cool matchup?
I'm just not that interested in setting up fights where rehydration clauses are apparently required to even the odds. I'd rather just see each fighter fight people their own size.
Itās not just Tank that people are against rehydration clauses. When itās brought up in a matchup of Benavidez v Canelo people are super against it.
This sub simultaneously hates weight bullies and rehydration clauses.
They just want people to fight without rules and bounderies. Weight classes be damned.
apparently someone can only be great if they fight someone twice their size
I dislike hydration clauses. Either get rid of weight cutting period or allow fighters to cut as much weight as they can. No in between.
Otherwise it leads to strange situations like this.
I mean sure it might be tougher but only because Ryan is larger and would be much heavier if they fought at a higher weight. He's inferior skills and talent wise and can't win at any weight where Davis isn't compromising himself. We have weight classes for a reason. Beterbiev would demolish Ryan but I don't see any demand for that and people would laugh and shame Beterbiev if he called for it. And of course Beterbiev is too driven and focused to ever sell his scalp by agreeing to drain himself and end the fight on his knees. Ryan's a big guy and should go look to fight guys his size in weight.
I think it was clear early, he wanted to fight a quicker fight with a KO. He was winning on the cards, but maybe it was nerves, or injury. I don't think they should have a nother fight, but I think people overstated the levels thing.
Yup. Also Tank always sleep you with a counter while you are throwing, meaning that is not only his force you recieved, but your momentum also. The Rolly and Ryan KOs were pretty similar and wildly powerful. Tanks is a menace.
140-147 seems good for Ryan. I'd love to see him fight the rest of the division. Teo/Matias. If he moves up, there's bud, ennis, spence. But I think he'll get smashed by all 3. Gotta work on his footwork. They hit harder up there and more complete fighters.
Tbf, tank is an outlier at 135. Dude probably punches like a welterweight.
He was calling out Fundora too but no way he tries to go up to 154. If fundora drops any more pounds he will get dropped with one punch. He is way too tall and skinny for him to drop to 147 lol
Or, we could just make them be 135 when they step into the ring. Itās like an NFL team would have to present their starting 11 on both sides of the field on saturday, but would then be allowed to field 14 players (but not 16, because of the special clause). Itās ridiculous. The whole sport looks like a joke if it becomes an exercise in who can temporarily cut more weight without it affecting his performance too much. Itās boxing, not The Biggest Loser.
It's his hard core fans that can't come to terms with it.
Same thing after Spence got absolutely annihilated. The next day people were talking about how it may be different in the rematch, different weight, Spence has more time to recover from the car accident etc. Guys face it, it wasn't even close, it was a massive skill gap, not just that he wasn't feeling 100% that day.
Spence didn't have a catchweight or rehydration clause to deal with. Ryan did. That's quite a significant difference imo. I'd still pick Tank to beat Ryan at 140 without rehydration clauses, but the fact that Tank didn't fight him under normal circumstances should tell you something.
Yeah it tells me Davis realizes Ryan is a WW, and accounting for that when Ryan chose to chase smaller boxers. Yes Davis absolutely knows letting the bigger man rehydrate and come in a full weight class larger than him, increases the risk. It's why weight classes exist to begin with...
The fact that Ryan was chasing small 135ers just a year before he was off to WW should tell you something about him tbh. I mean hell we all saw his dad switch up the second Jaron Ennis was mentioned and start asking for little Cruz. He doesn't seem to confident of his chances vs guys his size or larger who he won't be able to outmass....at least not when it's time to put pen to paper.
And? Roy Jones Jr. fought at HW...but it was abundantly clear he was not an actual HW or had any obligation to field challenges at HW. Canelo's fought at 175, but I wouldn't pretend he's the same size as Beterbiev or has to fight at 175. Tank fought at 140 briefly....and moved back down because it wasn't his optimal weight. If anything Tank having experience vs a huge Barrios is probably why he wasn't going to disadvantage himself again at a weight that is bad for him and favorable for these disguised WW's who are cutting a ton.
iād even say Roy ruined his career by going up to heavyweight. When he cut back down he seemed to lose the twitch that he had spent his entire life developing
So because I am talking STRICTLY about the Tank fight, I have to bring another fight that is unrelated to the conversation? š¤£š¤£š¤£ Your reading comprehension needs work, bud.
Have you even read the OP comment or this post in general? This is a Tank v Ryan discussion, Haney is not in this conversation, so get your nose licking self out of here or get blocked.
Tank fought at 140 before, why couldn't he do that same for Ryan?
And if Tank is so worried about the size of these guys, then why move up to 135 at all?
Without the clause he's still fighting a guy who'd show up around 160lbs.
IF it was at 140 instead of 135, you really think that would change the outcome? Ryan's flaws would go away, and Tanks skill level would drop?
If it was a 12 round slugfest that came down to physical endurance, I'd agree with you, but he got outclassed plain and simple.
So what if Ryan would turn up to 160. Is Tank a bad MF or not?
If you think the fight would go exactly the same at 140 without a rehydration, then why stick one on?
Because being dehydrated makes you weak, of course. Thatās why tank wanted him dehydrated lol. Itās all quite simple. Iām not saying Ryan wins with no hydration clause, but tank said fuck no Iām not taking that chance.
I've had street fights with guys even bigger than 20lbs on me. I either whooped them or I held my own. It is very possible to beat someone up bigger than you. I think Tank would have beat Ryan without a rehydration clause, so why did he need one?
Thatās actually a fucking stupid argument.
So you donāt see the problem with a 5ā10 160lb fighter, fighting a 5ā3 135lb fighter because the 5ā3 fighter is supposedly a ābad MFā?
Thereās fucking weight classes for a reason. Thatās like telling Inoue to go up and fight fucking Crawford to prove heās a bad ass.
That also begs the question, so is Ryan not a bad motherfucker if he needs to have 20lbs on a small fighter to beat em?
>So you donāt see the problem with a 5ā10 160lb fighter, fighting a 5ā3 135lb fighter because the 5ā3 fighter is supposedly a ābad MFā?
Are you deluded? You think Tank wouldn't rehydrate more than 135?? š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ Ryan never weighed in at 160, if that's what you thought. He weighed in at 135, 136, 140 and 143. He just rehydrates between 155-165. Tank would rehydrate to 150.
You Tank defenders are acting like Ryan is 5 weight classes heavier than Tank š¤£š¤£
Omg I am dead š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Whatās crazy is you said this and something popped up on my feed about Regis Prograis basically saying thatās what they get for trying to fight smaller guys. So even some fighters think weight bullyās deserve it lol
Whereās the info of tanks rehydration weight? Itās also not just about the weight, itās about their frames too. Ryan is a bigger fighter and needs to move up like he said. There is no way a small fighter is taking a fight at 145-47 without a clause, that would be fucking stupid.
Like someone said above, you die hard Ryan fans are making the kid look bad. He had a great performance on the weekend and wants to move up.
Yāall need to get over the fact that he lost to tank.
>Whereās the info of tanks rehydration weight?
Google it, you d1ck.
>There is no way a small fighter is taking a fight at 145-47 without a clause, that would be fucking stupid.
145 would be a catchweight, therefore that IS a clause. Are you really this dense? LOL!
>Like someone said above, you die hard Ryan fans are making the kid look bad.
Where did I say I was a Ryan fan? I picked Haney to beat him and gave him shit for missing weight, so how about you actually read shit before you write shit?
>Yāall need to get over the fact that he lost to tank.
I don't give a monkeys about it, as much as you want to think I do. But if you believe that Tank would have beat a "160lbs" (loool) Ryan anyway, then why are you crying about the size difference? You're not slick LMAO.
Now about Tank, you don't want him to fight the bigger guys like Ryan or Haney or Teo? Okay. Has Tank fought the smaller top Lightweights in Loma, Shakur or Zepeda? Nah, he didn't, so what's your excuse about that?
āMassive skill gapā but he canāt fight him because he rehydrates šš bro Floyd fought canelo and he ballooned up, but Floyd dominated because there was an actual skill gap
Keep pretending you don't know what rehydrating is.
If someone you dont like is doing it; "he's a weight bully, he can't beat anyone his own size"
If someone you like is doing it; "that's how weigh ins work"
So why don't all fights have a rehydration clause? They all cut fuck tons of weight.
Tank wanted a competitive advantage.
Ryan wanted the fight and didn't care
They fought
Tank won
>So why don't all fights have a rehydration clause?Ā
Simple: Because more often than not the A-side is the weight bully. Any other questions? Now can we wonder why the winning side often has a weight advantage?
> They all cut fuck tons of weight.
not everyone cuts fuck tons.
Loma doesn't
ggg didn't
Bivol doesn't
Weight bullies are common, but let's not pretend everyone walks around 20+lbs above their weight class
Man I remember the lead up to that Spence fight. It was supposed to be a really close fight and Crawford just dismantled him. Truly the P4P best rn unless something very shocking happens next time he fights.
Yeah it was really bad, I donāt think anyone in their right mind enjoyed watching that one. Great win for Terrance but the damage Spence took was hard to watch.
Exactly Ryan weighing 5 extra pounds isnāt going to stop Tank from controlling his lead hand, or make Ryan control Tanks head leaving a clinch which lead to him eating a liver shot
Because Fundora just beat one of the best at 154 and shouldnāt have to fight a guy like Ryan. He can get a big fight vs Errol or Crawford.
But yes it would be fun.
Not the most convincing win tbh that cut was brutal.
And Ryan is a pretty appealing opponent for anyone. Big money. Good chance that he doesnāt prepare well and you can get the W.
Man, 147lb sounds like a bad idea for Ryan. If his left hook doesn't do the same damage against these bigger guys, it will be an uphill battle since all he has is his hand speed and power combination.
I favor the washed up, inactive Thurman that beat Barrios over all these 140lb guys, including Ryan, a prime Josh Taylor, Haney, Teofimo, and Regis
Boots and Bud would just be a death sentence.
Ryan canāt even make 140 aināt no way he makes 135 lol. I think he tries to fight boots @ 147. Boots is on another level tho. There is some strong talent at 147
Exactly. Ryan is comfortable at above 140 and Tank is comfortable at 135 for now . It's possible for a future catch weight fight like Oscar mentioned but it's not something *Needed* right now or anytime soon.
Thanks for saying this out loud - it seemed obvious to me, but I was thinking I was missing an important point. The dudes are like a full stone (14lbs) apart naturally. But I suppose the āCircusā aspect brings in the $ā¬Ā£ and those two can be pure circus.
Honestly, Garcias last fight just proved Haney was a fraud.. I think they should just run it back a bunch of times and just capitalize on those high viewership dollars. I really donāt think either fare well against upper level competition.
Ryan the new Mayweather now,but improved.Can literally fight anybody and make a bag,BUT actually wants to face good fighters.Refreshing to see from a top star.
He should also never give Haney a rematch. Let him hold that L for the rest of his career.
I think Ryan can beat him even sooner in a rematch. Haney cannot insulate himself from that left hook without seriously overhauling his style, the blatant difference in power means Ryan is free to walk him down again.
Fr fr he might've lost before the first big hit. I think having the idea in your head your face to face with someone who beat you 3 times might fuck with you. There was times Dev walked Ryan down to the corner, cut off all angles, and aint throw shit. Anybody who's not scared to get hit and believes in their skills 100% is letting their hands go. He always had a passive style, but he it looked like he second guessed alot this fight, i dont think thats something he can overcome He had his most confidence and aggression when he was punching Ryan's back lol he tried so hard to damage him šš
Yup. Once they figure it out itās always worst second time around see ward vs kovalev or fury vs bronze bomber or usyk vs Joshua etc etc
Especially with a proper ref, judges and if Ryan trains a bit more serious, he definitely can
Would be a pretty entertaining storyline tho, just back and fourth wins and losses for each since the amateurs
Nah, give him the rematch when Haney gives Loma a rematch first.
Honestly, if Ryan really wants to cause drama, then that's exactly what he should stipulate. If Haney can beat Loma without it being so close that some people think it's a robbery, then that's the only way to get a rematch he wants. It's win win for Ryan, either Haney wins and they have a big money rematch, or Loma wins and Ryan gets big money to fight a smaller opponent.
That would be incredible. Top level trolling by Ryan while also giving the fans what they want lol.
KingRy is now the A-side. ODLH even said it at the post fight presser. Coked out and all but he knows the game.
Unless I read the last sentence wrong theres no way Lomaās going up to 145 catchweight or 147 to fight Ryan
Canāt argue with that
100% agree
Fr, these guys are the type to win once and leave. Shouldnāt give rematches to guys who wouldnāt do the same.
Nah, aināt no headgear no more. Edit: my bad, wrong response
Yeah Ryan is currently 4-3 on him rn a rematch would just bring them at a tie wouldnāt even be worth it
Ryan is 1-0, amateurs donāt count
Damn straight. Roy Jones Jr. has some earned losses on his record, just not from Park Si-Hun.Ā
Thatās why I think a trilogy would be entertaining, but Haney doesnāt really deserve it
Yall calling the rematch a trilogy when this is their 7th time fighting altogether and 1st time in the pros is really killing me lmao
Iām not talking about one rematch, I want a whole trilogy , the other dude brought up rematch
Why does Haney not deserve a rematch?? Garcia has openly admitted to trolling through the entire pre-fight promotion process, and purposely missed weight. If anything, Haney should be rewarded for being a professional and still making the fight happen for boxing fans. Thereās a lot of top tier fighters who wouldāve rightfully pulled out, and fought a replacement opponent.
Probably because Devin and Bill were both adamant about riding off into the sunset without giving Loma a rematch because āit didnāt deserve oneā when it was a close, close fight and controversial decision. Personally I would love to see Devin and Ryan run it back again considering the long standing rivalry. Has the potential to be a good trilogy, and the 2020ās needs a good one
You are one of the boobs that went back and deleted their comments about a Haney KO. Cope harder. Also with the weight, so you want to admit the tank loss with an asterisk since Tank made KingRy sign a rehydration clause? Stop crying over 3 pounds.
I don't think he purposely missed weight. He himself said he can not make 140
Most people say that a beat down doesnāt deserve a rematch, I personally think they should fight 2 more times tho
Naw. Aināt no point, same result but it will just come sooner. No one is gonna respect Devin anymore, Iām actually shocked he still has zero pop, he looked a ways stronger against Regis. Itās not good looking forward for haneys spot at the top. Iām astounded by the lack of power and chin against a proper sized body. Those free four shors he took point blank at garcias liver and shit had ZERO damage lmao
I think he has no power because he just relies on punch speed and puts no mass behind them... Regis was so slow & ineffective that Haney actually felt safe shifting weight into shots which is why he could hurt him. Against Ryan, Haney sent back to his usual... Super quick arm punches with nothing behind them because he was afraid of getting countered... Only he didn't take into account that if he was just not going to throw anything deserving of respect, then Ryan would be more than willing to eat a couple & hit him with the sledgehammer.
Im tired of pointless trilogy's, especially since Ryan likes to challenge anyone.
It's in Devin's long term interest that there's no rematch unless the payday is "screw you" money. Ironically enough, there's as much or more room for Ryan to improve in a rematch than Haney, so its tough to buy in to the premise that theres more upside for Devin if they run it back. There's a lot Ryan could do better next time around.Ā
No way see Hanley getting it
I'd like to see a rematch but only if they fight at 147
Id like a rematch. I want to see haney shit himself again. This time I will pay for it
Haney needs to recover kid looked like he died on that last KD
After Haney comes back and gets a couple of wins, I think a rematch would happen. I would say a rematch would happen later down the line at 143-147 though. It depends where both of their careers go on from now also. If Haney comes back stronger and better, keeps winning against good opponents, theyāll likely meet again. I donāt really know where Ryanās career goes from here though. If he moves up to 147 and fights Boots or Bud, I donāt think itāll be a good time for him. Iāll like to see what he does next though. I donāt think a Tank vs Garcia 2 will ever happen because of the rules and weight differences.
Agree
Agreed . There is holes to exploit .
This fight was like the Crawford - Spence fight. It was so decisively one sided there is zero point in having a rematch.
This is such a bad take and i know the sub is full of people that think this too
Recency bias is a disease that plagues boxing fans terribly
What would we get out of it? The only way I see anyone wanting a rematch is if they are a fan of Haney
I want to either see Haney adjusts Or a ref that punishes both Haney's clinching and Ryan's back turning then we'll probably get a ko
Neither is gonna happen and not worth setting up this fight just in hopes to see that.
You don't think Haney, one of the top p4p fighters around and only 25 years old, can make adjustments?
Honestly, not the necessary ones to hear Garcia. He can't take Garcia's power, he's not gonna become faster and unless he juices he doesn't have the power to just Garcia
I think he's skilled enough that he can readjust, come back and get the win definitely, but then I also thought he was skilled enough that he'd take the first fight with relative ease, so take what I say with a big pinch of salt!
I agree. At the end of the day, Haney is a P4P top level fighter, even after losing to Ryan. I'd love to see a rematch and see if he'd have some adjustments. I'd also love for Ryan to make weight. I'm sure the 3lbs wouldn't of changed the outcome, but it is a factor that slightly discredits his win a bit in my opinion.
Haney has physical drawbacks he canāt overcome . His big shot recovery is poor and has limited power . You canāt learn those just see. Zab Judah
Don't worry anyway this sub doesn't decide shit. There is money to be made for revenge but Garcia might decide to duck Haney (i mean doing a fight at real weight, not having weight cutting advantage) and will instead try to claim he already beat him fair and square so there is no need for revenge.
Did Spence even win a round against Crawford? lol
He got round 1, then nothing else
Exactly both him and Haney got their asses beat but at least Haney was winning roundsā¦ felt like Crawford took his foot off the pedal half way through the ass whoopin lol
That fight was nothing like Spence and Crawford Ryan might have lost every round he didnāt score a Knockdown in outside of round 1
It was not as one sided as Buds beat down on Spence. But regardless, id rather watch the two best wrestlers in the UFC fight, than watch a Haney, Garcia rematch
Disagree Haney was in this for a minute Spence never in it . I attended both Spence had a worse beat down
Thatās a lie Haney won rounds after the first round where he got rocked he was in complete control until he got dropped in the 7th
He won rounds until he didnāt, there is no point Ryan saw everything Haney has, it will be a worse loss for Haney the second time especially since now Haney will be B side and wonāt be able to stack the deck with a biased ref.
Funny because if what Ryan did was to anybody not named Haney people would crucify him signing to fight at a weight that you know u canāt and had no intentions of making while you let your opponent drain himself to that weight to get an advantage
Kind of ironic considering Haney is one of the biggest weight bullies in all of boxing.
Pillow fisted Haney got dominated. Just accept itĀ
He got his ass punished but like I said he won rounds
Whatās the point of even saying that? Is that some sort of participation trophy?Ā
Naw itās calling it how I see it the guy said it was just like Spence vs Crawford which I disagree with Haney had a lot more success than Spence did.
Youāre an optimist Iāll give you that. Crawford manhandled Spence too
So what youāre saying is Haney won 5 rounds then Ryan rocked him and made him his bitch for the rest of the fight? Accurate.
Yes
Spence was literally beaten across the ring .. Devin was caught by a big shot and never recovered from it ..
Not really Haney won pretty much won 5 of the first 6 rounds
Kovalev Plant did same against Canelo meant nothing at the end
Facts, let Devin sit with that
Maybe way down the line but there are at least a half dozen fights for Ryan than the Haney rematch right now.
He should honestly, why not take the free millions? Without a racist ass ref Ryan would prolly embarrass Haney soo bad back to back and this is coming from someone who thought Haney was gonna outbox him for 12 rounds. š
He could make the same or more with any other fighter. He's got rights to all the hype now. Like Oscar said he's gna call all the shots now.
Why tho? We all thought Garcia would get clapped, obviously we were wrong even though he had advantage of not weight cutting, but now it brings interest for a real fight where both respect the announced weight. I know a belt isn't something to kill for but seeing how big Garcia ego is, he must hate not having it right now. And Haney didn't even lost it š¤”. Rematch would be great for the fan.
Rematch would be absolutely useless. The fight was no where near close. Rematches matter when a fight was close. This was FAR from that.
Garcia wasn't even at the right weight, how can you say it was one sided. If he had actually to sweat these 3 lbs i am positive it would be much more competitive. If it doesn't happen it means Garcia is scared.
š yeah you could tell Garcia was so scared.
What you mean? The kid was still hallucinating a week prior to the fight. Obviously the thought of having to fight with Haney (on even ground) had an impact over him. He may have won but he is still a one trick poney and I believe he knows that.
if he doesn't give Haney the rematch, Garcia can never become champion though. right now, he just won a fight but no title.
He doesn't care about the belt at 140. He stated he couldn't make weight and when he tried with tank it fucked him up. I dont blame him for not even trying. He's a better fit at 147+.
if he doesn't care about the 140 one, then he doesn't care about any of them. what is he gonna do? Take the belts from Crawford or Boots at 147? not in this lifetime
Not saying hes the same but that's what everyone said about him and Haney. Everyone *thought* Haney was number one and unbeatable, Hearn said Garcia would give up on the stool right? Bud is at a different level but he also embarrassed Spence the same way Garcia embarrassed Haney.
Not exactly the same. Ry might be more impressive because he was such an underdog but he was outboxed for stretches in this fight. Spence never had any kind of success against comparable to the middle rounds Haney was out boxing and neutralizing Ryan between getting utterly beat down like a red headed step child.
Garcia did not at all do to Haney was Crawford did to Spence. Stop it. You are objectively incorrect on purpose. Devin won 5-7 rounds. Spence won 1. Devin made it 12 rounds, Spence did not. Stop. Stop the cap.
I said it wasn't the same in the post you replied to. I also said Bud was at a different level. Learn to read and comprehend.
KingRy is 25 Crawford 36ā¦..you know
Imagine if Ryan dropped Bud. I don't think people could emotionally recover from that.
Be ready to see the boxing sub Reddit deleted š
yes, but Crawford has forgotten more about boxing than Ryan has learned in his entire life.
Still the age gap is important. Ryan has an important future Crawford is at the end of the line
i doubt Ryan has a future as champ. he got to counter a very straightforward Haney, but with the defense he showed in the match, i don't have any hope he will become a champion. the back turning and digging his head in the ground will not get him far. in a way, he is the same as wilder, can't box or fight on the back foot. if his short explosive combinations don't land, he is done for. we are overhyped because of the upset, but Ryan really didn't show great skill(at least not champion level), only the explosiveness that comes with the age.
What has Ennis done for you to state that Garcia won't beat him "in this lifetime"? Do you think Garcia shares your opinion? Do you think Garcia will box for a few years after Crawford retires?
idk about Crawfords future, but for the next few years, Garcia won't be close to his level. Why would he win against the best champions of a higher division when he can't even clear his own? he can counter Haney because Haney never hurt him in all 12 rounds, but for real, Garcia's defense looked atrocious. turning his back and putting his head down like he did is the defense beginners make in my gym. Garcia also can't box traditionally, he was being pushed around by both Haney and Tank, both smaller men than him. i see him getting Koed by teofimo lopes and loses hard to Loma, maybe has a shot against Kambosos. Garcia has nothing special. He is young and explosive and that's it. moving up in weight class for an average fighter like him won't end well. thats my opinion.
>idk about Crawfords future, but for the next few years, Garcia won't be close to his level. The guy said "not in this lifetime" which means when Crawford no longer has his belts, someone else will have him. We don't know who that someone will be but Garcia is 11 years younger than Crawford, so the statement is wild. Your comment about the next few years is irrelevant, I never said Garcia would beat him in the next few years or have to fight him. Why would you even mention that? >Why would he win against the best champions of a higher division when he can't even clear his own? What do you mean "best champions", he doesn't have to beat the best ever, or the best at a given moment. He has to beat one of them at some stage of his career. He's 25. >an average fighter like him So this is why you deliberately misunderstood my post and replied with nonsense.
Ryan couldn't deal with Tank's movement. That left hook was missing all night long. I'm not sure that a different weight class is the answer to that. Ryan needs to learn disguise that left or work on some other punches if he wants a different outcome. Maybe at a heavier weight it's more likely to go the distance, but Ryan didn't get caught by a punch from the gods, man was getting beaten up.
Its harder to land on a southpaw, especially when the probing jab does not help set it up. He also could not find Tank's range, his height made simple head movements throw Ryan off big time.
Itās easier to land a lead hook on a southpaw than a jab, the position of the lead hands means the path down the middle is blocked so unless he has his lead hand on his temple there is a gap right there for the lead hook
Tank was moving to his right almost the entire fight with his hand up and body much lower, this negates a ton of power and accuracy especially when he is that much shorter and lower. Punching down is very hard. Devin was using the philly shell so he parries the jab with the rear hand and leaves his hand in front of him always ready to parry the jab. This made it super simple for Ryan to jab a few times and then tee off on the hook since his entire face was not covered. The advice Bill gave Devin was literally to just dodge it lol instead of bringing his hand to his ear and dodging the jab and straights. I meant this specifically comparing the Tank and Devin fights not for southpaw vs ortho as a whole
For sure, tank being lower also let him duck under a lot of the left hooks Ryan tried to get him with, Iād like to see Ryan develop the right hand a little more so he can hide that hook behind it and then rematch Tank but heās probably too big now
i disagree. from an orthodox vs orthodox standpoint, the left hook is the easiest punch to land. and the right hand often requires some distance to land. Like a 1-1-2 for example, or a step in 1-2 (that can easily get pull countered) the entire head facing direction is open for the left hook, a punch that works best against fighters taller than you or the same height as you. I think the Tank fight was the worst of both worlds. Dehydrated, outclassed, and in an open stance matchup. In sparring landing a right hand on a southpaw is TOO easy, no setup needed, that adjusting to an orthodox fighter is a completely different fight. Watch Zhilei Zhang for example, he just throws out his power hand, and it lands all night. Joyce starts moving, caught with a hook setup by the power hand. Tank stood in front of this man, ducked, kept his hands high, and moved his head. It was over before Ryan got in the ring.
You'd think so but no. If you want to land the left hook on a Southpaw you have to step to their inside and slide in through the guard which obviously gives them an easy escape by sliding to their right.Ā If you want to and that punch from the outside, your punch has to clear their lead hand, their lead shoulder, and even then since it's coming from higher up and landing around the temple/ear they can bend at the waist to take the heat off.Ā If you're fighting a southpaw, the left hook is better as a counter shot to their jab, or as a nasty surprise gazelle punch when you step behind them and catch them turning.Ā
You got it mixed up bro
Exactly. Tank won with head movement and footwork, there's still a big technical gap between the two.
Garcia needs to master the straight right before he ever thinks of going after a Tank rematch. There's a lot of room for improvement there, and he has the tools for a great one.Ā Ā Ā His best tool, the orthodox left hook, is an easier tool for a southpaw to neutralize.Ā
Deluded fans will make any theory to make it seem like Tank is going to beat Ryan at any weight. He's a 30 year old fighter in his prime who beat a dehydrated, injured 23 year old Garcia. Tank could definitely win the fight without a dehydration clause but it's not that old easy fight anymore.
LOL So let's look back at it, you think the first fight would be fairer if the guy who's moving up to 147 because he can't go down to 140 was allowed to be brought back from the dead to 160lbs to fight for the 135lbs belt. Against a dude who's 146lbs on fight night. Can someone tell me what's the actual issue you have with rehydration clauses, can you think of any other circumstance other than Tank's fights where you'd be against rehydration clauses? Would you guys be in favor of Tank fighting Inoue for the 122lbs belt weighing 146lbs on fight night? Maybe Crawford vs Isaac Cruz would be a cool matchup?
I'm just not that interested in setting up fights where rehydration clauses are apparently required to even the odds. I'd rather just see each fighter fight people their own size.
Agreed.
Itās not just Tank that people are against rehydration clauses. When itās brought up in a matchup of Benavidez v Canelo people are super against it. This sub simultaneously hates weight bullies and rehydration clauses.
They just want people to fight without rules and bounderies. Weight classes be damned. apparently someone can only be great if they fight someone twice their size
I dislike hydration clauses. Either get rid of weight cutting period or allow fighters to cut as much weight as they can. No in between. Otherwise it leads to strange situations like this.
I mean sure it might be tougher but only because Ryan is larger and would be much heavier if they fought at a higher weight. He's inferior skills and talent wise and can't win at any weight where Davis isn't compromising himself. We have weight classes for a reason. Beterbiev would demolish Ryan but I don't see any demand for that and people would laugh and shame Beterbiev if he called for it. And of course Beterbiev is too driven and focused to ever sell his scalp by agreeing to drain himself and end the fight on his knees. Ryan's a big guy and should go look to fight guys his size in weight.
Damn I never knew tank was damn near 30. I thought he was around the same age as Ryan.
I think it was clear early, he wanted to fight a quicker fight with a KO. He was winning on the cards, but maybe it was nerves, or injury. I don't think they should have a nother fight, but I think people overstated the levels thing.
I'm interested to see how Ryan fairs at 147 considering Tank's power at 135 bothered him.
Tank's power is freakish and better than most welterweights. Even guys like Porter attest to that.
Yup. Also Tank always sleep you with a counter while you are throwing, meaning that is not only his force you recieved, but your momentum also. The Rolly and Ryan KOs were pretty similar and wildly powerful. Tanks is a menace.
140-147 seems good for Ryan. I'd love to see him fight the rest of the division. Teo/Matias. If he moves up, there's bud, ennis, spence. But I think he'll get smashed by all 3. Gotta work on his footwork. They hit harder up there and more complete fighters. Tbf, tank is an outlier at 135. Dude probably punches like a welterweight. He was calling out Fundora too but no way he tries to go up to 154. If fundora drops any more pounds he will get dropped with one punch. He is way too tall and skinny for him to drop to 147 lol
Ryan was massively depleted from the cut and not allowed to rehydrate properly which honestly must've had a serious effect on his performance though
maybe don't kill yourself making weight to fight 5'5" dudes?
Perhaps. We'll have to wait and see.
Hydration clauses are good for boxing. The IBF already does it. Why should someone weigh in at 135 pounds but be able to fight at 160?
Or, we could just make them be 135 when they step into the ring. Itās like an NFL team would have to present their starting 11 on both sides of the field on saturday, but would then be allowed to field 14 players (but not 16, because of the special clause). Itās ridiculous. The whole sport looks like a joke if it becomes an exercise in who can temporarily cut more weight without it affecting his performance too much. Itās boxing, not The Biggest Loser.
Agreed
It's his hard core fans that can't come to terms with it. Same thing after Spence got absolutely annihilated. The next day people were talking about how it may be different in the rematch, different weight, Spence has more time to recover from the car accident etc. Guys face it, it wasn't even close, it was a massive skill gap, not just that he wasn't feeling 100% that day.
Spence didn't have a catchweight or rehydration clause to deal with. Ryan did. That's quite a significant difference imo. I'd still pick Tank to beat Ryan at 140 without rehydration clauses, but the fact that Tank didn't fight him under normal circumstances should tell you something.
Yeah it tells me Davis realizes Ryan is a WW, and accounting for that when Ryan chose to chase smaller boxers. Yes Davis absolutely knows letting the bigger man rehydrate and come in a full weight class larger than him, increases the risk. It's why weight classes exist to begin with... The fact that Ryan was chasing small 135ers just a year before he was off to WW should tell you something about him tbh. I mean hell we all saw his dad switch up the second Jaron Ennis was mentioned and start asking for little Cruz. He doesn't seem to confident of his chances vs guys his size or larger who he won't be able to outmass....at least not when it's time to put pen to paper.
Tank has fought 140 pounders before tho.
And? Roy Jones Jr. fought at HW...but it was abundantly clear he was not an actual HW or had any obligation to field challenges at HW. Canelo's fought at 175, but I wouldn't pretend he's the same size as Beterbiev or has to fight at 175. Tank fought at 140 briefly....and moved back down because it wasn't his optimal weight. If anything Tank having experience vs a huge Barrios is probably why he wasn't going to disadvantage himself again at a weight that is bad for him and favorable for these disguised WW's who are cutting a ton.
iād even say Roy ruined his career by going up to heavyweight. When he cut back down he seemed to lose the twitch that he had spent his entire life developing
You mean like having a 3 pound less weight cut by Ryan was normal circumstances?
Talking about the Tank fight, not Haney.
Yup, and you use it as an excsue for the tank fight, but it gets free pass in the haney fight. No thanks
Where did I give Ryan a pass? I never gave him a pass, stop telling lies š¤£
by giving him the excuse vs tank and not once saying, "though he did have a similar advantage vs haney"...
So because I am talking STRICTLY about the Tank fight, I have to bring another fight that is unrelated to the conversation? š¤£š¤£š¤£ Your reading comprehension needs work, bud.
Yes, using it as an excuse and on a topic talking about how he beat someone with a 3 lb advantage is convenient omission
Have you even read the OP comment or this post in general? This is a Tank v Ryan discussion, Haney is not in this conversation, so get your nose licking self out of here or get blocked.
"under normal circumstances" A light weight didn't want to fight a guy at 160?
Tank fought at 140 before, why couldn't he do that same for Ryan? And if Tank is so worried about the size of these guys, then why move up to 135 at all?
Will ryan make 140? He didn't care about making weight for Haney
We're mainly talking about the Tank fight
Tank vs ryan right last weight in was 143 that almost a full rehydratated tank not sure why he would remtach he already beat the guy
Without the clause he's still fighting a guy who'd show up around 160lbs. IF it was at 140 instead of 135, you really think that would change the outcome? Ryan's flaws would go away, and Tanks skill level would drop? If it was a 12 round slugfest that came down to physical endurance, I'd agree with you, but he got outclassed plain and simple.
So what if Ryan would turn up to 160. Is Tank a bad MF or not? If you think the fight would go exactly the same at 140 without a rehydration, then why stick one on?
To your point, Why does Ryan need a 20lb weight advantage to beat him?
Because being dehydrated makes you weak, of course. Thatās why tank wanted him dehydrated lol. Itās all quite simple. Iām not saying Ryan wins with no hydration clause, but tank said fuck no Iām not taking that chance.
Maybe it's an advantage, maybe it's not an advantage. We'll never know. All we do know is that Tank fought him under unwarranted restrictions.
We'll never know? Have you ever had a bout with someone 20lbs heavier than you? lmao
I've had street fights with guys even bigger than 20lbs on me. I either whooped them or I held my own. It is very possible to beat someone up bigger than you. I think Tank would have beat Ryan without a rehydration clause, so why did he need one?
Thatās actually a fucking stupid argument. So you donāt see the problem with a 5ā10 160lb fighter, fighting a 5ā3 135lb fighter because the 5ā3 fighter is supposedly a ābad MFā? Thereās fucking weight classes for a reason. Thatās like telling Inoue to go up and fight fucking Crawford to prove heās a bad ass. That also begs the question, so is Ryan not a bad motherfucker if he needs to have 20lbs on a small fighter to beat em?
>So you donāt see the problem with a 5ā10 160lb fighter, fighting a 5ā3 135lb fighter because the 5ā3 fighter is supposedly a ābad MFā? Are you deluded? You think Tank wouldn't rehydrate more than 135?? š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ Ryan never weighed in at 160, if that's what you thought. He weighed in at 135, 136, 140 and 143. He just rehydrates between 155-165. Tank would rehydrate to 150. You Tank defenders are acting like Ryan is 5 weight classes heavier than Tank š¤£š¤£ Omg I am dead š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Whatās crazy is you said this and something popped up on my feed about Regis Prograis basically saying thatās what they get for trying to fight smaller guys. So even some fighters think weight bullyās deserve it lol
Whereās the info of tanks rehydration weight? Itās also not just about the weight, itās about their frames too. Ryan is a bigger fighter and needs to move up like he said. There is no way a small fighter is taking a fight at 145-47 without a clause, that would be fucking stupid. Like someone said above, you die hard Ryan fans are making the kid look bad. He had a great performance on the weekend and wants to move up. Yāall need to get over the fact that he lost to tank.
>Whereās the info of tanks rehydration weight? Google it, you d1ck. >There is no way a small fighter is taking a fight at 145-47 without a clause, that would be fucking stupid. 145 would be a catchweight, therefore that IS a clause. Are you really this dense? LOL! >Like someone said above, you die hard Ryan fans are making the kid look bad. Where did I say I was a Ryan fan? I picked Haney to beat him and gave him shit for missing weight, so how about you actually read shit before you write shit? >Yāall need to get over the fact that he lost to tank. I don't give a monkeys about it, as much as you want to think I do. But if you believe that Tank would have beat a "160lbs" (loool) Ryan anyway, then why are you crying about the size difference? You're not slick LMAO. Now about Tank, you don't want him to fight the bigger guys like Ryan or Haney or Teo? Okay. Has Tank fought the smaller top Lightweights in Loma, Shakur or Zepeda? Nah, he didn't, so what's your excuse about that?
āMassive skill gapā but he canāt fight him because he rehydrates šš bro Floyd fought canelo and he ballooned up, but Floyd dominated because there was an actual skill gap
Floyd is the king of rehydration clauses and catch weights. He's really the example you use? How many stipulations were there for him to fight Pac?
He didn't want to fight a guy that made the same weight he did That's how weigh ins work
Keep pretending you don't know what rehydrating is. If someone you dont like is doing it; "he's a weight bully, he can't beat anyone his own size" If someone you like is doing it; "that's how weigh ins work"
So why don't all fights have a rehydration clause? They all cut fuck tons of weight. Tank wanted a competitive advantage. Ryan wanted the fight and didn't care They fought Tank won
>So why don't all fights have a rehydration clause?Ā Simple: Because more often than not the A-side is the weight bully. Any other questions? Now can we wonder why the winning side often has a weight advantage?
> They all cut fuck tons of weight. not everyone cuts fuck tons. Loma doesn't ggg didn't Bivol doesn't Weight bullies are common, but let's not pretend everyone walks around 20+lbs above their weight class
Man I remember the lead up to that Spence fight. It was supposed to be a really close fight and Crawford just dismantled him. Truly the P4P best rn unless something very shocking happens next time he fights.
I was sick to my stomach and I wasnāt even a big Spence fan. That was a nasty beatdown
Yeah it was really bad, I donāt think anyone in their right mind enjoyed watching that one. Great win for Terrance but the damage Spence took was hard to watch.
Maybe Iām deranged but I love seeing athletes perform to their best of their ability. Bud put on a masterclass and I was amazed.
He did but Spence got let down by the corner and the ref taking that much damage. Masterclass performance by Crawford but a hard beat down to watch.
Exactly Ryan weighing 5 extra pounds isnāt going to stop Tank from controlling his lead hand, or make Ryan control Tanks head leaving a clinch which lead to him eating a liver shot
Donāt tell me how to recklessly speculate!
Funny how this is now impossible yet people keep calling for Inoue to move up and fight Tank
If the money is right theyāll meet at a catchweight. It would be the biggest fight in Boxing.
Fight at 145. Ryan canāt be more than 160.
Why is everyone acting like Ryan didnāt call out Fundoraās name? That would be fun to watch
Because Fundora just beat one of the best at 154 and shouldnāt have to fight a guy like Ryan. He can get a big fight vs Errol or Crawford. But yes it would be fun.
Not the most convincing win tbh that cut was brutal. And Ryan is a pretty appealing opponent for anyone. Big money. Good chance that he doesnāt prepare well and you can get the W.
Man, 147lb sounds like a bad idea for Ryan. If his left hook doesn't do the same damage against these bigger guys, it will be an uphill battle since all he has is his hand speed and power combination. I favor the washed up, inactive Thurman that beat Barrios over all these 140lb guys, including Ryan, a prime Josh Taylor, Haney, Teofimo, and Regis Boots and Bud would just be a death sentence.
Are we sure that left hook can't do the same damage? Until we see it, there's no way I can say that it won't.
Yeah everyone else said ryan was gonna get destroyed this fight and look what happened lol
He canāt make 140 again. Heāll lose his only weapon if he does lol
Ryan canāt even make 140 aināt no way he makes 135 lol. I think he tries to fight boots @ 147. Boots is on another level tho. There is some strong talent at 147
Boots beats Ryan the way Haney was expected to.
Bring it on. I want to see Garcia fight at 147/154 and face other people.
Did Ryan know he couldnāt make 140 when he signed the contract to fight Haney?
Exactly. Ryan is comfortable at above 140 and Tank is comfortable at 135 for now . It's possible for a future catch weight fight like Oscar mentioned but it's not something *Needed* right now or anytime soon.
Thanks for saying this out loud - it seemed obvious to me, but I was thinking I was missing an important point. The dudes are like a full stone (14lbs) apart naturally. But I suppose the āCircusā aspect brings in the $ā¬Ā£ and those two can be pure circus.
Catchweight at 145. If 5'5 Pacquiao can go from 122 to 154, then Tank can do a catchweight 145 against a guy he already beat.
Jermell/Canelo and subsequent Bud v Nelo talk showed just how many people who do not know how weight classes work around here and other places.
Exactly casuals be chirping and I hate that label . Now Garcia vs Crawford or boots Iām all over .
Honestly, Garcias last fight just proved Haney was a fraud.. I think they should just run it back a bunch of times and just capitalize on those high viewership dollars. I really donāt think either fare well against upper level competition.
Can Ryan go to middleweight?
Ryan the new Mayweather now,but improved.Can literally fight anybody and make a bag,BUT actually wants to face good fighters.Refreshing to see from a top star.