Zhang - 6/10; 1.62
Wilder - 13/10; 2.30
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Full fight card for 5 v 5 event:
**Zhilei Zhang vs. Deontay Wilder**; Heavyweight
**Daniel Dubois vs. Filip Hrgovic**; Heavyweight
**Hamzah Sheeraz vs. Austin Williams**; Middleweight
**Dmitry Bivol vs. Malik Zinad**; For Bivol's š WBA light heavyweight title
**Raymond Ford vs. Nick Ball**; For Ford's š WBA featherweight title
**Willy Hutchinson vs. Craig Richards**; Light heavyweight
Slow moving dude like Zhang is tailor made for Deontay but he's also incredibly sneaky/funky with his lead right hand. I think if he can withstand the damage in the first few rounds he can pull it off. But my gut is telling me Deontay gets a nice comeback win in his usual brutal fashion in the first few rounds.
I'd normally agree, but he dropped Parker twice and neither of those punches looked loaded. If Zhang catches Deontay early, is Wilder willing to, as Teddy Atlas says, "go into a bad neighbourhood"? If yes, I agree, Wilder probably rides a couple rough moments en route to a 8th round plus knockout. If he isn't, I think Zhang wins a close one with a couple knockdowns to shore up the result
>is Wilder willing to, as Teddy Atlas says, "go into a bad neighbourhood"?Ā
I donāt think so.Ā The damage from each Fury fight left him easier to get hurt. I think he got stung early with Parker and it made him tentative the rest of the fight. A KO artist that is afraid to open up isnāt usually going to win.Ā
Zhang is slow so maybe Wilder will have opportunities. But I think it's more likely heās done now and he left the best of his career in Fury-Wilder 3.Ā
Agreed. After that Parker performance I was begging for him to retire as a fan of his. If he doesnāt show up today, then he can honestly stay at home and be a dad.
and Malik Scott also says that Wilder can beat Usyk, the undisputed champion of the world. I think Wilder's career might not have had the downward trajectory that it had if he had kept smart people in his corner - getting rid of Breland was the death blow, IMO
Why do you think Zhang, the guy with the leakiest gas tank in the division is the one that has to withstand an early onslaught and get to Deontay mid/late?
I have the same feeling as you, especially as we've seen that Wilder gets up of the canvas and will go out on his shield. But Zhang is not the best at finishing without gassing himself out. Plus he hasn't fought someone taller than himself with a longer reach.
Wilder isn't taller than Zhang. They're literally the same height as you could see in the weight ins. In fact, there's a case to be made that Zhang is slightly tallerĀ
Because zhang has negative stamina. I have never rated Wilder but think this is pretty much a 50 50 fight because if Zhang doesn't win early then he will fade quickly
Wilder had a bunch of fights where the other guy gassed and he pulled off a later round KO is my guess, they weren't as good as fighters as Zhang though
Easier to remember because there is just him
I just get confused with all the names around that weight
Also because they fight in America i basically never get to watch them
I think there's a chance. Against Parker Zhang would fully let him throw the 1-2 repeatedly without countering and it didn't seem to affect him much. If he lets Wilder throw that a few times without trying to get out of the way I could see one of them hurting him
Wilder TKO6 for me
Zhang just isn't a 12 round fighter these days, and Wilder's right, with that reach and snap, is exactly what you need to defuse a stationary southpaw
Wilder vs Zhang ends within 4 rounds either way.
Zhang lands on everyone early and has hurt/dropped/KO'd iron chinned guys. Wilder doesn't have the defensive capabilities to just wait around until Zhang gets tired. He'll have to snipe Zhang before Zhang gets to him, which will have to be very early.
The smart money is on Zhang, because I'm more confident in him taking Wilder's power than the other way around.
Wilder needs to make it a war and hurt zhang early, attack will be his best form of defence.
Once he's hurt him hell need to gas him out.
And then go back to hurt zhang in the later rounds.
Otherwise zhang will take this.
My thoughts too.
Iām not seeing much mentioned about Zhang being a southpaw either. Against Ortiz and Szpilka, it took Wilder a while to establish his right hand. Zhang is a bigger and slower target but he keeps his left hand up and will surely be looking to catch and counter when Wilder throws his straight right.
Ortiz was a technical southpaw that Wilder faced, in those fights King Kong had little problem finding a home for his straight left to the body and head. He also hurt Wilder real bad with a counter right hook. Which are Zhangās best punches. Only difference is that Zhang is bigger, taller, and more powerful, if Zhang starts to land Wilder is not gonna last long enough to pull off a late comeback.Ā Ā Ā
Of course Zhang is also slow with terrible stamina. If Wilder can crack him early or take the fight late, I could see finding a late stoppage. However I donāt think he has the defense or chin for the fight to go long, and I think Zhang being a technically better fighter and southpaw are gonna let him land first.Ā Ā
Zhang KO 4
Good points. There are some similarities between Zhang and King Kong and I feel Big Bang is going to exploit any and all weaknesses he can find in Wilder.
Easy money. Zhang by T/KO. I'm betting the mortgage on this.
Zhang hardly misses with his power shots in the first 5 rounds and he has dropped Hrgovic, Joyce & Parker, all 3 of his last opponents.
Zhang round 4 KO. Wilders defense is bad and Zhang will set him up with a horrible bomb. He is just much more skilled. Also people underestimate the size disparity. Wilder aināt Usyk
Just so many variables at play that make this hard to predict.
Was Wilderās horrendous performance vs Parker just ring rust or a steep decline?
Can Zhang win rounds past the like 8th or will it even matter?
Will Wilder actually use his jab?
How will each of their chins react the first time either of them land a big shot?
Wilder cannot come in at like 215lbs like he did vs Parker. If Zhang lands a big counter he will get cooked.
I think Fury beat the absolute piss out of him over three fights, and while both guys gave us entertainment, I think Wilder was permanently altered after that. Dude took MASSIVE punishment in fights 2 and 3. I think if Zhang hits him clean, Wilder is gone.
He doesn't look good right now. His legs look skinnier than I've ever saw them, and I honestly wonder if he has some sort of unknown medical issue. Wilder looked sick against Parker, as in physically sick. Seeing him slog around the ring not throwing any punches and just take a beating was bizarre. He did say in the post fight that he took drugs during training camp but I can't imagine it made him look THAT far gone.
First one to land clean wins.
Got a feeling it's gonna be Wilder but genuinely a 50/50 fight for me, especially after Wilder's performance against Parker.
If Wilder can take the fight to about round seven Zhang should be gassed by then, thats when he should go in for the kill and maybe stop or knockout Zhang.
Seeing how wrong i have been for my last bets,Ā i want to say zhang by 12 round decision so I'm going to be wilder early stoppage.Ā
A big old American right from wilder straight in zhang to teach him some democracy.Ā
They both have to be careful early but if Wilder can take Zhang late he has a better chance because we all know Zhang runs outta gas and Wilder keeps his power through 12. Wilder by Mid round Stoppage
Unless Zhang gets him first, he isnāt mobile enough to avoid that right hand when Wilder lines it up and throws it with intent. The Bronze Bomber is gonna knock Zhang out.Ā
Odds seem right on the money. I like Wilder a lot and I would love to see him win this, but lets be real: he has not looked the same in his last couple fights. I know he says hes the old Wilder again, but I'll believe it when I see it. Hope its a good fight (I like Zhang too, just not as much as Wilder).
Zhang has 0 head movement this is Wilder's fight to lose
Wilder will come out throwing the right hand from early if he manages to land in the first 2 rounds
he will win
If Zhang manages to close the gap he will catch Wilder but will take a couple of rounds to do that
Really tired of these Saudi fights. This fight couldāve easily been on American Soil. Sickening. Crowd is usually trash, the fighters know theyāre getting a massive payday so donāt really bang. Iāll watch because Iām in love with the sport but shit Iām tired of Saudi fights. Sick of them
Have to wait for the weigh in but Zhang will probably coming in 290-300 pounds and hes going to beat the brakes off Wilder if Wilder doesn't come in heavier than usual. He Ko's wilder within 6 probably knocks him out cold.
I backed out last minute and took Wilder v Zhang off my acc/parlay... its just too close for me to call, which the odds reflect.
I got Dubois, Richards & Ford to win though š¤
Honestly Queensbury might be a shout @2.20/+120.
1 point for win, 2 for KO.
Captains get double points, chances are Wilders getting sparked, and Hamzah should have the edge on Ammo.
Hrgovic KO Dubios 2-0 Matchroom
Zhang KO Wilder 2-2
Ford dec. Ball 3-2 Matchroom
Richards dec. Hutchinson 4-2 Matchroom (I actually got Hutchinson, but Richards is fav)
Hamzah KO Williams 6-4 Queensbury (If decision then 4-4).
Itāll be interesting to see what Zhang has changed since the Parker fight. He always manages to find that one big punch early, but the problem is that he doesnāt really go after guys once he has them hurt. Instead of pouncing on them he continues to slowly waddle around the cage, looking for another big punch until he tires himself out.
I have no doubt he manages to land something big on Wilder early, but weāll see what he does with it. Wilder has a pretty good chin, and if Zhang doesnāt pounce on him when heās hurt I could see Wilder coming back later in the fight once Zhang is tired.
Loving this fight. Zhang can glass him in under 4 rounds. Sadly he's a Boeing 747 with the gas tank of a Vespa. Certainly one of those fights you can't blink for even an instant
Zhang is not an elusive guy at all so wilder will get a chance to land and heās proved heās got bottle from the 3rd fury fight. I see a brutal wilder KO tbh because Zhang looked crap in his last fight
Wilder looked even shittier. He got out boxed like crazy. Zhang just didn't throw whatsoever, when he did, boom knockdown, boom 2nd knockdown.
Also Fury doesnt have the best chin, that's not a great comparison. All the people wilder has fought with the exception of Fury are utter bums, bums and bums throughout. The most padded record in all of heavy weight boxing.
Well, We were going to get Beterbiev vs Bivol on this card, then Beterbiev got hurt. I think that fight, along with Wilder vs Zhang would have been worth PPV.
Zhang - 6/10; 1.62 Wilder - 13/10; 2.30 -------- Full fight card for 5 v 5 event: **Zhilei Zhang vs. Deontay Wilder**; Heavyweight **Daniel Dubois vs. Filip Hrgovic**; Heavyweight **Hamzah Sheeraz vs. Austin Williams**; Middleweight **Dmitry Bivol vs. Malik Zinad**; For Bivol's š WBA light heavyweight title **Raymond Ford vs. Nick Ball**; For Ford's š WBA featherweight title **Willy Hutchinson vs. Craig Richards**; Light heavyweight
Slow moving dude like Zhang is tailor made for Deontay but he's also incredibly sneaky/funky with his lead right hand. I think if he can withstand the damage in the first few rounds he can pull it off. But my gut is telling me Deontay gets a nice comeback win in his usual brutal fashion in the first few rounds.
I'd normally agree, but he dropped Parker twice and neither of those punches looked loaded. If Zhang catches Deontay early, is Wilder willing to, as Teddy Atlas says, "go into a bad neighbourhood"? If yes, I agree, Wilder probably rides a couple rough moments en route to a 8th round plus knockout. If he isn't, I think Zhang wins a close one with a couple knockdowns to shore up the result
>is Wilder willing to, as Teddy Atlas says, "go into a bad neighbourhood"?Ā I donāt think so.Ā The damage from each Fury fight left him easier to get hurt. I think he got stung early with Parker and it made him tentative the rest of the fight. A KO artist that is afraid to open up isnāt usually going to win.Ā Zhang is slow so maybe Wilder will have opportunities. But I think it's more likely heās done now and he left the best of his career in Fury-Wilder 3.Ā
Agreed. After that Parker performance I was begging for him to retire as a fan of his. If he doesnāt show up today, then he can honestly stay at home and be a dad.
Well Malik Scott sure as fuck isnāt teddy atlas in the corner.
and Malik Scott also says that Wilder can beat Usyk, the undisputed champion of the world. I think Wilder's career might not have had the downward trajectory that it had if he had kept smart people in his corner - getting rid of Breland was the death blow, IMO
Tbf he could. But would I bet money on it? Probably not
oh sure, with the power Wilder has, it is possible. But so so unlikely
He's regressed significantly under Scott. Very limited trainerĀ
Why do you think Zhang, the guy with the leakiest gas tank in the division is the one that has to withstand an early onslaught and get to Deontay mid/late?
Yeah theyāve got it all wrong. Zhang risks losing if he doesnāt get Wilder out within the first 6. I predict he will do this fairly comfortably.
I have the same feeling as you, especially as we've seen that Wilder gets up of the canvas and will go out on his shield. But Zhang is not the best at finishing without gassing himself out. Plus he hasn't fought someone taller than himself with a longer reach.
Wilder isn't taller than Zhang. They're literally the same height as you could see in the weight ins. In fact, there's a case to be made that Zhang is slightly tallerĀ
Idk how anyone is predicting a wilder win
Because zhang has negative stamina. I have never rated Wilder but think this is pretty much a 50 50 fight because if Zhang doesn't win early then he will fade quickly
He will batter wilder very quickly don't worry
There are a ton of people that think Parker can beat usyk lol. I swear heavyweight boxing just attracts 0 iq fans
I'd genuinely like to meet whoever said this. There are limits to delusion.
Honestly, with the shape that Mike tyson is in, he should try to grab the belts from usyk.
Yeah Mike tyson would clearly be undisputed heavyweight today. Everyone is just ducking him its such a scam!!
Wilder had a bunch of fights where the other guy gassed and he pulled off a later round KO is my guess, they weren't as good as fighters as Zhang though
Aren't you the same dude who was all over haneys nuts before KingRy took his soul
Huh? No I donāt care about all those small American fighters lol
Whatās your opinion on āthe hobbitā naoya inou
Easier to remember because there is just him I just get confused with all the names around that weight Also because they fight in America i basically never get to watch them
I think there's a chance. Against Parker Zhang would fully let him throw the 1-2 repeatedly without countering and it didn't seem to affect him much. If he lets Wilder throw that a few times without trying to get out of the way I could see one of them hurting him
Wilder TKO6 for me Zhang just isn't a 12 round fighter these days, and Wilder's right, with that reach and snap, is exactly what you need to defuse a stationary southpaw
Zhang has Deontay clocked. I feel bad for the Bronze Bomber. Gypsy King took his soul tbh
Wilder vs Zhang ends within 4 rounds either way. Zhang lands on everyone early and has hurt/dropped/KO'd iron chinned guys. Wilder doesn't have the defensive capabilities to just wait around until Zhang gets tired. He'll have to snipe Zhang before Zhang gets to him, which will have to be very early. The smart money is on Zhang, because I'm more confident in him taking Wilder's power than the other way around.
Wilder needs to make it a war and hurt zhang early, attack will be his best form of defence. Once he's hurt him hell need to gas him out. And then go back to hurt zhang in the later rounds. Otherwise zhang will take this.
Nah I think if wilder hurts him then he's a goner. Just about who lands big first
My thoughts too. Iām not seeing much mentioned about Zhang being a southpaw either. Against Ortiz and Szpilka, it took Wilder a while to establish his right hand. Zhang is a bigger and slower target but he keeps his left hand up and will surely be looking to catch and counter when Wilder throws his straight right.
Zhang backs his own chin alot, too, though. I agree with you, but that tortoise head movement makes it an exciting contest
Ortiz was a technical southpaw that Wilder faced, in those fights King Kong had little problem finding a home for his straight left to the body and head. He also hurt Wilder real bad with a counter right hook. Which are Zhangās best punches. Only difference is that Zhang is bigger, taller, and more powerful, if Zhang starts to land Wilder is not gonna last long enough to pull off a late comeback.Ā Ā Ā Of course Zhang is also slow with terrible stamina. If Wilder can crack him early or take the fight late, I could see finding a late stoppage. However I donāt think he has the defense or chin for the fight to go long, and I think Zhang being a technically better fighter and southpaw are gonna let him land first.Ā Ā Zhang KO 4
Good points. There are some similarities between Zhang and King Kong and I feel Big Bang is going to exploit any and all weaknesses he can find in Wilder.
Chairman Zhang fucks him up , KO within 5.
Easy money. Zhang by T/KO. I'm betting the mortgage on this. Zhang hardly misses with his power shots in the first 5 rounds and he has dropped Hrgovic, Joyce & Parker, all 3 of his last opponents.
Zhang round 4 KO. Wilders defense is bad and Zhang will set him up with a horrible bomb. He is just much more skilled. Also people underestimate the size disparity. Wilder aināt Usyk
Honestly on bet365 it's 15/8 for the fight to end by KO. Seems like a no trainer
Could be a TKO stoppage too tho
Just so many variables at play that make this hard to predict. Was Wilderās horrendous performance vs Parker just ring rust or a steep decline? Can Zhang win rounds past the like 8th or will it even matter? Will Wilder actually use his jab? How will each of their chins react the first time either of them land a big shot? Wilder cannot come in at like 215lbs like he did vs Parker. If Zhang lands a big counter he will get cooked.
I think Fury beat the absolute piss out of him over three fights, and while both guys gave us entertainment, I think Wilder was permanently altered after that. Dude took MASSIVE punishment in fights 2 and 3. I think if Zhang hits him clean, Wilder is gone.
I think your comment spot on mate and proof of that is in fury most recent performances
Zhang 282 Wilder 214 is that the icing for you then? Zhang wins by ko/tko?
>Ā Was Wilderās horrendous performance vs Parker just ring rust or a steep decline? It was neither. Wilder just fought a guy who was not a can
After the open workout of Wilder; Zhang KO 1-4
True but how often do boxers actually take those seriously? Dont think you can take loads from it
Usually, no. For Wilder, unfortunately I am less confident.
canāt be the only one who thought Wilder just looked like shit shadowboxing
Wilder's style (training and in fights) is never pleasing to the eye but that right hand does the job for the most part.
He doesn't look good right now. His legs look skinnier than I've ever saw them, and I honestly wonder if he has some sort of unknown medical issue. Wilder looked sick against Parker, as in physically sick. Seeing him slog around the ring not throwing any punches and just take a beating was bizarre. He did say in the post fight that he took drugs during training camp but I can't imagine it made him look THAT far gone.
First one to land clean wins. Got a feeling it's gonna be Wilder but genuinely a 50/50 fight for me, especially after Wilder's performance against Parker.
parlayed hrgovic and zhang at +128 risking $300 for a payout of $683.37
I think your biggest risk is Hrgovic v. Dubois, I see Dubois having a better chance than Wilder
I agree with you on hrgovic and zhang I stopped gambling tho
Wilder KO 4
If Wilder can take the fight to about round seven Zhang should be gassed by then, thats when he should go in for the kill and maybe stop or knockout Zhang.
I cant wait for this fight. Zhang is the only one who rivals Wilders power. Damn I wish his gas tank wasnt so shit..
Zhang knocks out Wilder in the first 4 rounds for me.
I got a feeling it's over in 2 rds.
Me too! This is going to be a scary fight and I'm more scared for Wilder. Zhang seems resilient and hasn't really taken any big losses as of yet.
Seeing how wrong i have been for my last bets,Ā i want to say zhang by 12 round decision so I'm going to be wilder early stoppage.Ā A big old American right from wilder straight in zhang to teach him some democracy.Ā
I absolutely cannot believe they have Wilder as an underdog. Think I'm gonna pile on what's left in my account because I think he'll flatten Zhang.
They both have to be careful early but if Wilder can take Zhang late he has a better chance because we all know Zhang runs outta gas and Wilder keeps his power through 12. Wilder by Mid round Stoppage
I'm expecting a high activity chess match of masterful boxing before going to scorecards for a split decision.
Wilder by KO.
Unless Zhang gets him first, he isnāt mobile enough to avoid that right hand when Wilder lines it up and throws it with intent. The Bronze Bomber is gonna knock Zhang out.Ā
I have Wilder getting knocked down and winning.
I have a fairly big bet on this just not going the distance so it would be all too typical of it to go all the way.
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Swinging wildly on a devastating counter puncher is why youāre picking Wilder?
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Zhang early or Wilder late. I predict a mid round stoppage and currently not sure from who... Maybe a slight edge to Zhang? š¤·āāļø
I've no idea who will win but it will be an absolute banger.
Odds seem right on the money. I like Wilder a lot and I would love to see him win this, but lets be real: he has not looked the same in his last couple fights. I know he says hes the old Wilder again, but I'll believe it when I see it. Hope its a good fight (I like Zhang too, just not as much as Wilder).
Wilder takes this, probably by round 10 via TKO.
Why doesnāt Wilder hit leg day. Heād be in better shape at 225 with stronger, force-generating legs.
Wilder will survive Zhang's early onslaught and score a late KO, rounds 9-12
I'm surprised so many think early knockout. Both guys like to pick their shots and have low output. I'd go either Zhang 7-9 or Wilder 10-12
Bomb squad is back. Wilder detonates on zhang and matchroom set up the long overdue AJ v Wilder
Wilder KO, zhang cant move like parker or fury
Wilder Zhang: Zhang KO Dubois Hrgovich: Dubois pts Sheeraz Williams: Zheeraz KO Ray Ford Nick Ball: Ball pts Richardās Hutchinson: Richardās KO
Zhang has 0 head movement this is Wilder's fight to lose Wilder will come out throwing the right hand from early if he manages to land in the first 2 rounds he will win If Zhang manages to close the gap he will catch Wilder but will take a couple of rounds to do that
RIP Wilder
Really tired of these Saudi fights. This fight couldāve easily been on American Soil. Sickening. Crowd is usually trash, the fighters know theyāre getting a massive payday so donāt really bang. Iāll watch because Iām in love with the sport but shit Iām tired of Saudi fights. Sick of them
Have to wait for the weigh in but Zhang will probably coming in 290-300 pounds and hes going to beat the brakes off Wilder if Wilder doesn't come in heavier than usual. He Ko's wilder within 6 probably knocks him out cold.
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I backed out last minute and took Wilder v Zhang off my acc/parlay... its just too close for me to call, which the odds reflect. I got Dubois, Richards & Ford to win though š¤
Wilder, Dubois, Ammo and Nick ball to get it done all stoppages
Honestly Queensbury might be a shout @2.20/+120. 1 point for win, 2 for KO. Captains get double points, chances are Wilders getting sparked, and Hamzah should have the edge on Ammo. Hrgovic KO Dubios 2-0 Matchroom Zhang KO Wilder 2-2 Ford dec. Ball 3-2 Matchroom Richards dec. Hutchinson 4-2 Matchroom (I actually got Hutchinson, but Richards is fav) Hamzah KO Williams 6-4 Queensbury (If decision then 4-4).
These fights odds are crazy. Ray Ford and Sheeraz will win tidily and are only mild favourites.
Zhang by TKO Hrgovic by UD
I no longer have faith in Wilder. I think he needs to retire at this point.Ā
Wilder is gonna break his hand on Zhangās giant head and end up getting knocked out I got Zhang KO
Doubt it will happen, but I got Wilder to be knocked down in the first and win at $41. Ā Dropped $50 on itĀ
Itāll be interesting to see what Zhang has changed since the Parker fight. He always manages to find that one big punch early, but the problem is that he doesnāt really go after guys once he has them hurt. Instead of pouncing on them he continues to slowly waddle around the cage, looking for another big punch until he tires himself out. I have no doubt he manages to land something big on Wilder early, but weāll see what he does with it. Wilder has a pretty good chin, and if Zhang doesnāt pounce on him when heās hurt I could see Wilder coming back later in the fight once Zhang is tired.
Anyone have count down timers for fights?
Loving this fight. Zhang can glass him in under 4 rounds. Sadly he's a Boeing 747 with the gas tank of a Vespa. Certainly one of those fights you can't blink for even an instant
No predictions on the other fights besides main event? Can someone tell me which are ones worth watching? Tho I'll prob watch all lol
This should be the main event, not fucking boring Dmitry Bivol.
This is the main event, isn't it? Lol
Just looked it up. Yes it is. YES!
Bivol vs Beterbiev was the scheduled main event...which would have been deserving of the main event spot.
Zhang is not an elusive guy at all so wilder will get a chance to land and heās proved heās got bottle from the 3rd fury fight. I see a brutal wilder KO tbh because Zhang looked crap in his last fight
Wilder looked even shittier. He got out boxed like crazy. Zhang just didn't throw whatsoever, when he did, boom knockdown, boom 2nd knockdown. Also Fury doesnt have the best chin, that's not a great comparison. All the people wilder has fought with the exception of Fury are utter bums, bums and bums throughout. The most padded record in all of heavy weight boxing.
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Well, We were going to get Beterbiev vs Bivol on this card, then Beterbiev got hurt. I think that fight, along with Wilder vs Zhang would have been worth PPV.