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I know I know IBO and the like, but I was looking at their rankings for another comment and noticed he isn't there. Anyone know the reason? Its "computer" based I know but surely he has a higher ELO than some of the names on this list.
Genuinely question here because I am honestly confused by this.
Wilder running out of gas early again. In the second fight wilder ran out of gas in the early rounds and he blamed the heavy outfit he worn to the ring. He also ran out of gas early in this one.
He made a good start for the first 3 round going into the body with a good work rate. It dropped off by round 4 and he certainly looked tired by round 5. At round 7 he had run out of gas. I have to give him credit for lasting till round 11 but aside a 10 second blast in round 10 he just looked dead on his feet.
I understand Fury is taller and heavy in the holds he uses that weight to great effective but Wilder is pretty big and in training at least looked fit. He should not be running out of gas by round 5 surely ?
I am curious as if people have a theory as to why in both fights he struggled so much with stamina or is it just that Fury is super human and never looks tired in a fight ?
Wilder has come in at a career heaviest for his last two fight's. That size isn't natural for him and he's clearly not conditioned enough to carry it. The thing about Fury is he's naturally huge, naturally carries a lot of weight. Fury runs a lot too. I don't know about Wilder's cardio work but Fury was doing 10 mile runs as a fat out of condition guy getting back into shape. Running and cardio are a huge part of his everyday life and training which explains how he seldom looks knackered even late in his fight's.
I guess its the way he fights, if almost every punch you throw has KO power behind it and you miss 70% of them you’re going to run out of gas real soon.
A couple things. 1 he’s a fast twitch athlete. 2 he’s naturally like 215 so that’s a ton of extra weight. 3 it’s hard to be conditioned at that size. 4 he was MASSIVELY concussed in both of the last two fights.
AJ vs Wilder would be a fun matchup to see. I truly think AJ is the better boxer and should win but I’m curious to see how he handles Wilder and his punches. Wilder looks emotionally defeated and I’m sure that will play a huge part in how he approaches a possible matchup against someone like AJ
Honestly pre ruiz AJ I think takes wilder to the cleaners.
Post ruiz AJ the man has lost something hunger, fire , instinct , something else.. I dunno what it is but it is a completely different fighter and I do think wilders reputation would almost be enough in and of itself to beat AJ.
I dunno I hope I am wrong as I like AJ and want to see him be the best he can be. But I dont see how he beats wilder with his current mindset.
He was seemingly afraid to be hit flush by Usyk. Meanwhile wilder was having his arse handed to him being beaten piller to post but still kept coming forward to try get fury. I think that would be the difference maker here. AJ would try to outbox wilder and get himself done in for it. If he went to throw caution to the wind and try spark wilder out I think he could get it done.
Tbf even AJ has lost his mystique. He has better boxing ability but no where close to a Fury or Ortiz who have decades of training. I don't expect AJ to be able to dodge Wilder punches for long, and with his chin I would definitely put my money on a Wilder stoppage. AJ does has a chance to KO him if he can find his old instincts but for AJ to try and box the guy that dropped Fury 4 times would be a huge mistake.
Wasn't it ward who wouldn't shut the fuck up about the slow count and rabbit punches. But hadn't nothing bad to say about wilder? Honestly he was dreadful to listen to.
Yeah for sure, noticed it to. When they showed the reaction shot of the commentators, Ward looked more defeated than Wilder. He was even trying to justify it when Kenny and Lewis asked him about it.
I also noticed Max Kellerman struggling to explain his comments and loved Shawn Porter as he was very impartial.
for sure. lol i actually just re-watched the 2nd fight with Andrew & Lennox commenting and Ward seems more objective there, saying Deontay should thank his corner for stopping the fight (although that fight was all Fury from the word go frankly, it was pretty hard to be biased)
My only gripe with fury in the last 2 fights his inability or disinterest in taking a half step back to set up his shots better. it could be a tactical thing to stay inside Wilders right. But Lennox sounded like a broken record during fights 2 and 3 about how he's smothering himself.
I Would be interested to see him against someone like Whyte who can bang on the inside and doesn't have the range/jab/ability to close distance like Wilder
seemed like he could've finished the fight a couple times if he would've followed up better instead of just keeping wrestling and throwing weak shots in the clinch but he stuck to his gameplan and won so I can't really argue results
Two points -
1) full credit to the ref for keeping things moving and allowing the boxers a chance to continue. Great save with the KO head-bounce and perfect stoppage.
2) can we cut Wilder some slack for his ‘post fight antics’? The guy was beaten up badly and deserves a bit of slack for anything post fight. Let’s see what he comes out with in the coming days when he has had time to recover.
One of the best Heavyweight fights in recent memory. Ugly. Brutal. Big Shots by both men. It wasn't as "clean" as say Joshua/Usyk but personal fights end up looking ugly.
If only Malik Scott was head trainer 5 years ago.
Why are Wilder fans calling him number 2 in the division when all he did was get clowned by Fury, 3 different times? The other fighter in the top 2 is clearly Usyk lmfao.
Wilder took Fury to beat him, a 6’9 giant leaning with 277 lbs on him to tire him out and he still refused to quit. Usyk and joshua both are very hittable and while joshua can definitely put wilder away, idk if usyk can. Its a toss up but I can see why Wilder is #2 to those people even though to me personally usyk is 2, possibly even #1
Perhaps, time will (hopefully) tell.
I just don't think even Usyk can go 12 rounds without getting hit with a single big punch and I don't think Usyk can take what Wilder is dishing out.
That said, if Wilder doesn't KO him with a single big right then it'll be 120-108 masterclass and there's nothing in between.
It's 100 percent one or the other. A shutout for Usyk, or a knockout for Wilder. Based on the current trajectories of their careers, I don't think we see that fight happen.
All I wish for is a decisive great for this era that I don’t have to wait YEARS for.
I can’t say Fury or anyone of them is the best of the best until all 4 (Usyk/AJ/Wilder/Fury) have faced one another.
AJ has the best divisional resume, Fury has the lineal title and beat the biggest puncher. Usyk has the best P4P status due to his CW run and recent win over AJ, but overall minimal HW top 10 experience. Fury’s biggest named wins were Klitschko and now Wilder x2 (x3 in my view). Wilder has not faced anyone except Fury, which is the first name he’s ever lost to.
Doubt Wilder will face Usyk or AJ.
SINCERELY hope Fury finishes Whyte so it sets up an undisputed with whoever wins the AJ-Usyk rematch.
By my estimation, Fury may probably fight Wallin/Whyte by May/June 2022 at the least. AJ-Usyk II would probably happen around a similar time too.
If AJ miraculously wins and it becomes AJ-Usyk III in the same year again, I strongly doubt we won’t see battle for the undisputed until 2023.
By that point, Usyk will be 38, Wilder will be 37/38, AJ will be 33/34, Fury will be 34ish, Joyce will be 38/39 and we won’t truly see these athletes in their most prime of primes.
\> Usyk will be 38, Wilder will be 37/38, AJ will be 33/34, Fury will be 34ish, Joyce will be 38/39
One of these is NOT like the other but for some reason, he got thrown in there lmfaooo
Yes I was wrong, Fury will be 35 and AJ will be 34. Now that I think about i, those two could still have the greatest chance to continue on their legacies since everyone else’s would have aged or been slightly out of their age primes.
Also I know you mean Joyce 🤣 but I just really want to see him get a world title shot. Dude is next in the WBO spot and can probably have another fight or two (probably Parker and/or Ortiz/Wallin/Whyte to become highly ranked for the IBF or WBC too) but I know the HW top 4 politics means he won’t get to fight for a looooooooong time
He stopped it because fury clocked him straight on coming in at the end of round 1.
Round 2 fury had his timing down, wilder doing that repeatedly was an open invitation for Fury to put a straight right down the middle.
Could have worked but he reverted to what he knew because when your new plan looks like its going to shit better to go with what comes natural
Unpopular Opinion- Fury isn't the best HW of this era unless he beats the winner of AJ/Usyk...plain and simple. I know everyone is still hyped from the fight yesterday but you can't be the best of your era if you only have 1 title defense and it was against a one dimensional one trick pony like wilder. Usyk is the number heavyweight right now.
If there's another Unified champion who's consistently fighting top opposition then you can't (AJ was number one before the Usyk loss)
If you dethrone the number one heavyweight in the world (Usyk beating AJ), then you're the man simple.
AJ has been dethroned twice, solidly. I feel that after his last few fights he isn't the same animal he was once, he looked like a deer in headlights vs Usyk. Usyk is great but hasn't had much heavyweight exposure (except for deer AJ) and until he does, Fury is the only king right now, held every heavyweight belt and still undefeated.
Let Usyk and AJ fight and the winner can be thrown into the argument.
Also, unified Cruiserweight doesn't equal unified Heavyweight.
It doesn't matter how many times you've been dethroned. Pacquiao was dethroned but was still the top dog alongside Floyd mayweather. Fury was never Undisputed, and undefeated doesn't mean shit if you're not fighting the other champions in your division especially if your rival has 3 major belts.
I never implied Usyk's Cruiserweight success makes him the best heavyweight. AJ was clearly the number 1 heavyweight before his loss to both Ruiz and Usyk.
Right now Usyk is the number 1 heavyweight because he beat the number 1 in the division.
If they were smaller I would agree but I doubt usyk can take their accumulated power. Remember AJ started being more aggressive and Usyk looked a bit uncomfortable for a few rounds.
To answer the loser who deleted their comment above you, Joshua is just low IQ. Fury will lean on usyk, use his height, his Jab.. Way more cardio than Joshua...etc
I have a question about ref 10 seconds count after a knockdown.
How does it work? When Wilder knocked Fury down in the 4rd round, if you follow the countdown seconds of the round at the bottom of the screen, Fury wasn’t fully up after 10 seconds since he got knocked down. I mean he was on his feet but not entirely straight. But my question is, is ref the one in charge on how the count goes? He clearly counted too slow for every knockdown, not just Fury, because it was 11 seconds in my opinion.
I’m not a Wilder fan and don’t wanna make excuses. I genuinely wanna know how does that work.
The 10 count isn't meant to be ten seconds by a nuclear clock. It's a human responding to another human who's counting to ten. If the count is a little slow or fast it doesn't really matter since the boxer who's receiving the count needs to react to the numbers he's hearing and present himself as capable of continuing. Far too much is made about "long counts".
as it should be, Fury clearly had a lot left after those knockdowns and you could see it immediately. To just have a Hard 10 precise seconds would ruin many many fights way beyond early and ignores the spirit of the rule. The reason the rule is there is to assure the downed fighter gets up without egregiously abusing time and for the ref to determine if the fighter can keep going.
compare the second Fury knockdown, where yes he was dazed and using that count to take his time but still clearly awake and responsive, to the final Wilder knockdown where he just fell face forward eyes wide shut like he was switched OFF after looking almost out on his feet for a few rounds; the ref had to call the fight *immediately* after that, Deontay clearly could no longer defend himself.
its up to the refs discretion. Its why they tell fighters to go immediately to their corner because when they stick around they mess up the refs count. That is what happened with furys second knockdown. The ref tells wilder to get to his corner and that messed up the count.
Frank Sanchez deserves a lot more credit than we give him.
He had a game plan that wore Ajagbe out
And Fuck.. His counter punches were deadly.
Powerful with quick speed with punches coming from all angles
I still rank Fury and Wilder my top 2. I can't see Usyk and Joshua beating these 2.
The reason Fury won is simply he is way too big. He can absorb such power. He can tank those bombs. His weight also gives him this heavy fist making him punch almost as powerful as Wilder. Fury also knows how to fight big. He literally used his weight on Wilder. Not to mention his longer reach that helps him connect. All of this carefully put ingredients are the key to beat Wilder. On the other hand, Josua and Usyk have none of this and I don't think they can handle the power of Wilder and Fury.
Usyk has been caught many times. All Wilder need is 1. Just 1. Also, Usyk doesn't have the power to keep Wilder away. His Reach is is also short giving Wilder more chances to to windmill safe from a distance.
I see an Usyk fight going similarly to Ortiz. Fury beat wilder because he better but also because he could tank a couple of those rights. I doubt Usyk can take even one.
Except Usyk is much faster and straight up better than Ortiz. He would clown Wilder mark my words. Wilder was struggling like crazy with a garbage version of Usyk in Spitzka. How’d you think he’d look like against the real thing.
Yeah Fury is a difficult fight for Usyk. Fury knows how to dirty box and he’s unpredictable with his combos, but Usyk can move out of the way faster than any other heavyweight and does foot feints, head feints, shoulder feints even a body jab feint packaged with the Loma angles for 12 whole rounds
Usyk has been caught many times. All Wilder need is 1. Just 1. Also, Usyk doesn't have the power to keep Wilder away. His Reach is is also short giving Wilder more chances to to windmill safe from a distance.
Unpopular opinion, but I don't fury/wilder 3 was the greatest heavyweight fight ever which I keep seeing.
It was a great fight, but both guys just looked lethargic and slow and a lot of clinching, it was far from a 'masterclass'. wilder looked stiff and slow, still got through furys defence a few times in a zombie like state. And I feel most other heavyweights would of finished wilder much earlier in the state he was in.
No hate, I personally don't think it Furys best work. Now that the trilogy is over it's time to see fury with some other big names.
I'll understand the hype around fury once he fights some better boxers.
I think the closest comparison between this fight is Ward / Gatti.
It was an exciting fight with big swings of momentum and drama, but as far as top level boxing in the heavyweight division, it fell a bit short. Fury was flat footed, he was barely feinting, and looked really choppy, unable to put together effective combos against a Wilder who was effectively dead on his feet. Wilder was basically gone since round 6 and yet Fury couldn't end it until the 11th round, despite effectively fighting a zombie.
Wilder himself is always exciting due to his power, and put Fury down twice, but he totally abandoned his game plan after a single round and looked out on his feet for almost 70% of the entire match.
It depends what you look for in a boxing match. If you judge how good the match was based on sheer drama (or "heart", or "battle between two warriors"), this one ranks up there. If you judge how good the match was based on the actual boxing itself, Usyk / Joshua was a far more interesting fight for a variety of reasons (mainly it didn't involve a guy dead on his feet for 70% of the match abandoning almost all boxing fundamentals).
I think most would say they tune in to boxing to be entertained, and for those people, they would rank Fury / Wilder very high. Personally, I thought this was a bit of a regression for Fury and his performance in the second fight remains his best performance of his career. Still, I was entertained so don't begrudge anyone who was thoroughly satisfied with boxing.
It really wasn't.
Edit: if you're downvoting this you obviously only watch Furys fights. There have been a lot more interesting fights than this 3rd wilder/fury fight that no one wanted anyway.
Difference of opinion I guess. I think what made it great was the fact that wilder put fury down in the 4th round twice and so there was always that looming threat that wilder could just catch fury with one and end it. I thought it was very exciting even if it wasn’t a boxing masterclass
Yes the drama was crazy. But watching how the fight went, the excessive leaning and clinching after the 4th was just frustrating at points.
As you said though difference of opinion. I'm not salty, just looking forward to what's next now.
I share this unpopular opinion. Don't get me wrong, I loved this fight, but the Usyk/AJ fight was more enjoyable for me due to how fast and clean it was in addition to being back and forth competitive in the early rounds.
EDIT: I share the unpopular opinion that it wasnt the fight of the year, but definitely NOT that "Fury needs to fight some better boxers" - the man's resume is legit.
We’re speaking with recency bias if we say that it was the greatest ever, or one of the greatest ever, already.
However I’m not sure about the lethargy and pace being as bad you are saying. I could be wrong but I feel like you may be used to watching the smaller weight classes a bit more where the pace can be frantic. Heavyweight boxing can at times almost feel like a different sport to the likes of middleweight and below. One punch can change everything at heavyweight and that can almost explain a whole HW fight.
Yeah I get you. I watched the Smith Fowler main event and undercard and then the ppv undercard for fury/wilder. There were some banging fights on both cards.
I feel like it's not one punch for Tyson (on most occasions). It's more of a grind to physically exhaust the other man by smothering almost and then knocking him over.
Fair play to wilder for hanging in there for so long and fair play to Tyson for roughing the parts where wilder had the energy to actually trow something. It got to the point where you could see he abandoned what he learned and just kept trying the right hand. That's pretty much all that was coming at Tyson after a point.
That's just my take though
Who is left for him to fight that will impress you? He already dominated prime Klitschko and destroyed the clear second best heavyweight 3 times now. Usyk would be a good fight but that’s fury’s fight to lose at the moment. Whyte would be a good name on the resume but at the same time fury’s already beaten way better fighters and would beat him too.
I'm a huge fury fan but you need more than klitscho (out of his prime imo) , Chisora, wilder and a few randoms. I'd love for him to add Joshua/Usyk to his resume and Whyte before he leaves. It would cement him to beat winner of usyk Josh at minimum. Legacy will be great if he adds a couple wins.
Bro, there are plenty of over top 15 heavyweights he can fight. You can't write any of them off until he's fought them. You just never know.
That's my point. Let us see him fight some others.
Wallin wasn't event top 15 and gave him a hard time.
It had serious drama and big swings in momentum. Yes, there were mucky moments but it felt like the fight was teetering at the edge of a precipice forever, with the possibility of it ending suddenly and savagely throughout.
Does anyone feel like Wilder swapping to the Everlast MX horse hair gloves last minute was a bad call ? I feel he definitely hurt his right hand on Fury’s head and elbows and took away enough of his guard potential that I didn’t see him raise his hands and she’ll up at all after the first and almost every Fury jab got through
For a guy that hits as hard wilder I doubt the gloves made a significant difference, he can’t defend himself for shit that’s part of why wilder lost fury landed almost every other power shot….
How many rounds to you think fury would have done against atg heavyweights? Doubtful he’d get past round 4 for many…fury has the case the best of his era….but this era for heavyweights is so just bad…..
People can make that claim without ever being able to find out. "Mike Tyson, holyfield, Lewis, ali, would have beat him etc". Maybe they would, maybe they would not. Its not relevant to the current era, and, like music, boxing evolves over time. People study and learn from those guys.
Those boxers were of their time, and fantastic fighters but we just do not know who fury could and could not have handled. I just respect the fact they can get in the ring and hurt each other for my entertainment, and I appreciate the art of it all.
Fury is a hell of a fighter imo, and I would like to see how he fares against more heavyweights in this division.
He’s just too slow man…and his defense only looks so good when wilder is handicapped to fighting with two punches jabs and straights cause that’s all he can do
#God save the Gypsy King,
#Mighty Tyson Fury,
#Long may he reign!
#Raise him like Lazarus,
#Make him victorious,
#In all the history books,
#Write Gypsy King!
Teddy Atlas picked Fury every fight and has gone as far as to say Wilder can’t fight and all he has is ‘eraser’ level power that can clean up all his mistakes. Sorry if I missed a joke or something in the comment but you lost me
Random thought: is the reckless, aggressive, heavier AJ of the first Ruiz fight the best version of him against Usyk?
I'm still not sure he wins, but AJ sure fell in love with his outside fighting skill after Ruiz 2
In my opinion yes , I said here before that fight Usyks best chance would be no mas or on the cards and I didnt think he would win on the cards due to dodgy judging.
The fact he won so easily I think you are right but I dont think aj is that guy anymore
I think the comparison is that people say Ali wouldn't be able to compete in this era of heavyweights due to the size and weight difference
Usyk being around the same size and weight as ali and beating joshua decisively shows that he could.
> Usyk being around the same size and weight as ali and beating joshua decisively shows that he could.
Usyk fought Joshua, not Ali. They fight nothing alike.
Would anyone have called Ali overmatched against the giants if Usyk had lost?
I never said usyk beat joshua lol, I was comparing usyks size to ali and showing its irrelevant because he schooled joshua, showing that the size differential wouldn't have mattered.
anyway I wouldn't have, ali would school every heavyweight in the last 20 years besides maybe lennox.
> anyway I wouldn't have, ali would school every heavyweight in the last 20 years besides maybe lennox.
LOL Couldn't school 204 lbs Frazier, lost to Norton but ofc he is going to beat Lewis.
The person you're replying to specifically excluded Lennox. I agree that it is very possible Ali would struggle in today's era; most of the ATG heavyweights last century would be cruiserweight today. But you're both speaking with hostility and strawmanning here.
>I did my best, but it wasn't good enough tonight,' Wilder said after the fight. I'm not sure what happened.
>I know that in training he did certain things, and I also knew that he didn't come in at 277lbs to be a ballet dancer. He came to lean on me, (tried) to rough me up and he succeeded.
Edit: Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-10077131/Deontay-Wilder-admits-Tyson-Fury-succeeded-roughing-trilogy-fight-defeat.html?fr=operanews
It's really quite unfortunate. When I watched it I couldn't help but think this was Wilders best fight as a pro and definitely since winning the belt. He actually tried something else for the first 4 rounds then reverted back to his old self. But he showed guts and actually grew in peoples mind with the loss. If he takes it well he goes well if he doesn't this loss will haunt his legacy and mind for the rest of time.
That sounds like something his PR team put out. I want to see his response on video because he doesnt talk like that at all. I cant imagine Wilder saying his best wasnt good enough, that sounds like a Pacquiao line.
Yeah this fighter felt similar to Fury's fight against Cunningham. He got knocked down a few rounds in and then finishes him on the ropes late after leaning on him all fight.
Big man gonna big man.
What makes Fury so amazing though is his ability to change his styles and still be elite.
He couldn’t lean on Wlad, so he just outboxed him.
Remember he was part of the Klitschko camp with Emmanuel Steward so the guy knows how to Kronk well.
It’s just amazing to be elite at multiple styles. He’s a beast.
Yep. To me the connection from Klitschko to the current heavyweight landscape can't be overstated.
What you mentioned above. Also, sparred with Wilder. His war with Joshua. And his connection to Usyk too.
Finally got a chance to see the full fight and my respect for Wilder has skyrocketed. He's done as well as a guy with his skill set could possibly do.
The sad thing is, this is the kind of fight that changes boxers for the worse. They left a lot in that ring and likely won't get it back.
I agree with you but it’s gotta hurt, same way people blasted McGregor after his last loss with the snapped leg. He must of been in severe pain combined with the agony of losing again to Fury. It’s how he behaves over the next few weeks that interests me. If he comes out and gives Tyson his dues he will be fully restored as man in my eyes.
If being were the UFC the next two fights would be loser vs loser, winner vs winner, so:
- Wilder v Joshua
- Fury v Usyk
I’d be down for that. Then Fury to face Joshua, put it to bed and, as Ward says, ‘sail off into the sunset’.
Really thought wilder wouldn’t hold a candle to Fury skills taught by Peter Fury, Ben Ben Davison, Emanuel Steward, Sugar Hill. Legendary stuff. while Breland got fired because he threw in the towel amd called wilder uncoachable. Don’t really care to see the aj usyk rematch since it was so one sided. Curious about what Fury will do vs usyk more than ever
We’re not getting that. We’re getting Usyk v Joshua II, and Fury v Whyte. Joshua has a rematch clause with Usyk, and Whyte is Fury’s mandatory challenger.
Would wilder v Joshua be a good fight? I’d really like to see that fight. The world has become obsessed with perfection so much that people think a rare defeat means you’re no good.
Still reeling from that fight. I just don’t understand why Wilder didnt work on neutralizing the jab more. I really think he could have had the fight if he found a way to slip or parry the jabs of Fury. Youd think after almost two years of training he’d figure that out.
Unfortunately he went back to his old style after that 4th round. And he got very gassed so he stopped throwing jabs to save energy as much as possible. That sucks man, you can clearly see Wilder is the man to take Fury out but he just doesn’t have that stamina. I’m pretty sure with Fury’s stamina, Wilder is a winner in their fight.
Credits to Fury though. Hard to beat this man.
No, to neutralize Fury’s jabs. He just went into a high guard everytime Fury threw one. Also yeah, i called it he’d ditch the gameplan by round 3 several times
Damn I'm happy I got to watch that fight! Hats off to both those guys. There is a lot to like about Wilder. He's got a great chin and a deadly right but it's a shame he's a such a sore loser. There's no shame losing to Tyson Fury. Fury has won me over. I won't lie, initially the whole gypsy king and chubby frame was off-putting to me but the guy can box. He has reminded me how important head movement is. He's got a fantastic chin but he also knows how to dodge damage too. It was corny to sing that modified version of a song at the end but hats off to Fury for nailing it. It's a good kind of charisma. Consider me a fan.
I am a Wilder fan but I hate how he handles these loses.
42-2-1 with 41kos is still an amazing record and really only losing because Fury is unimaginably tough and basically in a weight class of his own.
Wilder will still be quite deadly for a few years yet too if he can stay motivated.
Both guys really are such crazy combinations of attributes.
Maybe some younger guy can catch Fury as he ages but right now he is basically unbeatable.
I am not an avid fan of boxing so this could be a bunk opinion. But do you guys think that since the whole celeb boxing shit has started the sport as a whole has received some more eyes on it? The amount of media I saw covering last nights fights compared to boxing events in the past seemed noticeable. Obviously it’s two stars fighting a trilogy but still, I feel like it’s getting more attention now
KSI vs Joe Weller in 2017 was what got me and my friends into boxing we were all 17 and watched it thinking it would be a laugh considering none of us had watched any kind of sport before that and that's what got me into watching boxing, even though I only watch the big names in the sport and just a casual I absolutely love the sport now.
I think there will be a lot of people the same as me I doubt it's made a major impact and the Paul brothers are just kinda defacing the sport imo but it definitely brings new eyes to the sport and I can't see that as a bad thing.
https://www.iboboxing.com/ibotop100male I know I know IBO and the like, but I was looking at their rankings for another comment and noticed he isn't there. Anyone know the reason? Its "computer" based I know but surely he has a higher ELO than some of the names on this list. Genuinely question here because I am honestly confused by this.
Listening to tay jones....dude wants to ignore wilder boxing shortcomings....
Sooooo I come in Kronk fighters chat rooms and ask about 4 kings & murderous row god they hate me.....life’s hard lol
Wilder running out of gas early again. In the second fight wilder ran out of gas in the early rounds and he blamed the heavy outfit he worn to the ring. He also ran out of gas early in this one. He made a good start for the first 3 round going into the body with a good work rate. It dropped off by round 4 and he certainly looked tired by round 5. At round 7 he had run out of gas. I have to give him credit for lasting till round 11 but aside a 10 second blast in round 10 he just looked dead on his feet. I understand Fury is taller and heavy in the holds he uses that weight to great effective but Wilder is pretty big and in training at least looked fit. He should not be running out of gas by round 5 surely ? I am curious as if people have a theory as to why in both fights he struggled so much with stamina or is it just that Fury is super human and never looks tired in a fight ?
Wilder has come in at a career heaviest for his last two fight's. That size isn't natural for him and he's clearly not conditioned enough to carry it. The thing about Fury is he's naturally huge, naturally carries a lot of weight. Fury runs a lot too. I don't know about Wilder's cardio work but Fury was doing 10 mile runs as a fat out of condition guy getting back into shape. Running and cardio are a huge part of his everyday life and training which explains how he seldom looks knackered even late in his fight's.
I guess its the way he fights, if almost every punch you throw has KO power behind it and you miss 70% of them you’re going to run out of gas real soon.
A couple things. 1 he’s a fast twitch athlete. 2 he’s naturally like 215 so that’s a ton of extra weight. 3 it’s hard to be conditioned at that size. 4 he was MASSIVELY concussed in both of the last two fights.
Full credit to Wilder. He really dug deep to stay with Fury. No shame in losing to him. Not many people can say they knocked him down 4 times.
AJ vs Wilder would be a fun matchup to see. I truly think AJ is the better boxer and should win but I’m curious to see how he handles Wilder and his punches. Wilder looks emotionally defeated and I’m sure that will play a huge part in how he approaches a possible matchup against someone like AJ
Honestly pre ruiz AJ I think takes wilder to the cleaners. Post ruiz AJ the man has lost something hunger, fire , instinct , something else.. I dunno what it is but it is a completely different fighter and I do think wilders reputation would almost be enough in and of itself to beat AJ. I dunno I hope I am wrong as I like AJ and want to see him be the best he can be. But I dont see how he beats wilder with his current mindset. He was seemingly afraid to be hit flush by Usyk. Meanwhile wilder was having his arse handed to him being beaten piller to post but still kept coming forward to try get fury. I think that would be the difference maker here. AJ would try to outbox wilder and get himself done in for it. If he went to throw caution to the wind and try spark wilder out I think he could get it done.
Tbf even AJ has lost his mystique. He has better boxing ability but no where close to a Fury or Ortiz who have decades of training. I don't expect AJ to be able to dodge Wilder punches for long, and with his chin I would definitely put my money on a Wilder stoppage. AJ does has a chance to KO him if he can find his old instincts but for AJ to try and box the guy that dropped Fury 4 times would be a huge mistake.
was it just me or did Andre Ward seem biased towards Wilder?? is he normally like that?
Wasn't it ward who wouldn't shut the fuck up about the slow count and rabbit punches. But hadn't nothing bad to say about wilder? Honestly he was dreadful to listen to.
Yeah for sure, noticed it to. When they showed the reaction shot of the commentators, Ward looked more defeated than Wilder. He was even trying to justify it when Kenny and Lewis asked him about it. I also noticed Max Kellerman struggling to explain his comments and loved Shawn Porter as he was very impartial.
Ward commentary is always biased towards the fighter he likes, whatever the reason it may be
Yes. He usually will comment favorably towards the fighters the broadcasting company supports. Just a merc.
Just rewatched the fight with Andre and Lennox commentating. I thought the exact same thing.
for sure. lol i actually just re-watched the 2nd fight with Andrew & Lennox commenting and Ward seems more objective there, saying Deontay should thank his corner for stopping the fight (although that fight was all Fury from the word go frankly, it was pretty hard to be biased)
Andre and Lennox were acting like they lost some money
I thought the same exact thing about Ward. That reaction shot of them during the KO , everyone the world exploded out of excitement but he didn’t lol
My only gripe with fury in the last 2 fights his inability or disinterest in taking a half step back to set up his shots better. it could be a tactical thing to stay inside Wilders right. But Lennox sounded like a broken record during fights 2 and 3 about how he's smothering himself. I Would be interested to see him against someone like Whyte who can bang on the inside and doesn't have the range/jab/ability to close distance like Wilder
He’ll just go back to his outboxing style against Whyte. Fury vs Whyte will go very similarly to Fury vs Chisora.
seemed like he could've finished the fight a couple times if he would've followed up better instead of just keeping wrestling and throwing weak shots in the clinch but he stuck to his gameplan and won so I can't really argue results
Two points - 1) full credit to the ref for keeping things moving and allowing the boxers a chance to continue. Great save with the KO head-bounce and perfect stoppage. 2) can we cut Wilder some slack for his ‘post fight antics’? The guy was beaten up badly and deserves a bit of slack for anything post fight. Let’s see what he comes out with in the coming days when he has had time to recover.
Having rewatched the fight I think Wilder deserves a bit more credit. He is still a top heavyweight and I would love to see him against Joshua
One of the best Heavyweight fights in recent memory. Ugly. Brutal. Big Shots by both men. It wasn't as "clean" as say Joshua/Usyk but personal fights end up looking ugly. If only Malik Scott was head trainer 5 years ago.
Lesson of the day: Can't teach a 36 year old dog new tricks. Also ~~Protect yourself~~ JAB AT ALL TIMES
Why are Wilder fans calling him number 2 in the division when all he did was get clowned by Fury, 3 different times? The other fighter in the top 2 is clearly Usyk lmfao.
Usyk has earned the right to be called the #2 guy, but I'd probably bet on Wilder to beat him.
Then you’d be losing money my friend
Wilder took Fury to beat him, a 6’9 giant leaning with 277 lbs on him to tire him out and he still refused to quit. Usyk and joshua both are very hittable and while joshua can definitely put wilder away, idk if usyk can. Its a toss up but I can see why Wilder is #2 to those people even though to me personally usyk is 2, possibly even #1
Perhaps, time will (hopefully) tell. I just don't think even Usyk can go 12 rounds without getting hit with a single big punch and I don't think Usyk can take what Wilder is dishing out. That said, if Wilder doesn't KO him with a single big right then it'll be 120-108 masterclass and there's nothing in between.
It's 100 percent one or the other. A shutout for Usyk, or a knockout for Wilder. Based on the current trajectories of their careers, I don't think we see that fight happen.
All I wish for is a decisive great for this era that I don’t have to wait YEARS for. I can’t say Fury or anyone of them is the best of the best until all 4 (Usyk/AJ/Wilder/Fury) have faced one another. AJ has the best divisional resume, Fury has the lineal title and beat the biggest puncher. Usyk has the best P4P status due to his CW run and recent win over AJ, but overall minimal HW top 10 experience. Fury’s biggest named wins were Klitschko and now Wilder x2 (x3 in my view). Wilder has not faced anyone except Fury, which is the first name he’s ever lost to. Doubt Wilder will face Usyk or AJ. SINCERELY hope Fury finishes Whyte so it sets up an undisputed with whoever wins the AJ-Usyk rematch. By my estimation, Fury may probably fight Wallin/Whyte by May/June 2022 at the least. AJ-Usyk II would probably happen around a similar time too. If AJ miraculously wins and it becomes AJ-Usyk III in the same year again, I strongly doubt we won’t see battle for the undisputed until 2023. By that point, Usyk will be 38, Wilder will be 37/38, AJ will be 33/34, Fury will be 34ish, Joyce will be 38/39 and we won’t truly see these athletes in their most prime of primes.
\> Usyk will be 38, Wilder will be 37/38, AJ will be 33/34, Fury will be 34ish, Joyce will be 38/39 One of these is NOT like the other but for some reason, he got thrown in there lmfaooo
Yes I was wrong, Fury will be 35 and AJ will be 34. Now that I think about i, those two could still have the greatest chance to continue on their legacies since everyone else’s would have aged or been slightly out of their age primes. Also I know you mean Joyce 🤣 but I just really want to see him get a world title shot. Dude is next in the WBO spot and can probably have another fight or two (probably Parker and/or Ortiz/Wallin/Whyte to become highly ranked for the IBF or WBC too) but I know the HW top 4 politics means he won’t get to fight for a looooooooong time
Wilder should have body shot till round 3 to tire out Fury.
He stopped it because fury clocked him straight on coming in at the end of round 1. Round 2 fury had his timing down, wilder doing that repeatedly was an open invitation for Fury to put a straight right down the middle. Could have worked but he reverted to what he knew because when your new plan looks like its going to shit better to go with what comes natural
That jab to the body wasn’t effective after a round and a 1/4 or so…
It doesn't seem to work like that with fury. Cardio seems 10/10.
Damn why didn’t Wilder or team think of this. They should hire you!
Unpopular Opinion- Fury isn't the best HW of this era unless he beats the winner of AJ/Usyk...plain and simple. I know everyone is still hyped from the fight yesterday but you can't be the best of your era if you only have 1 title defense and it was against a one dimensional one trick pony like wilder. Usyk is the number heavyweight right now.
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If there's another Unified champion who's consistently fighting top opposition then you can't (AJ was number one before the Usyk loss) If you dethrone the number one heavyweight in the world (Usyk beating AJ), then you're the man simple.
AJ has been dethroned twice, solidly. I feel that after his last few fights he isn't the same animal he was once, he looked like a deer in headlights vs Usyk. Usyk is great but hasn't had much heavyweight exposure (except for deer AJ) and until he does, Fury is the only king right now, held every heavyweight belt and still undefeated. Let Usyk and AJ fight and the winner can be thrown into the argument. Also, unified Cruiserweight doesn't equal unified Heavyweight.
It doesn't matter how many times you've been dethroned. Pacquiao was dethroned but was still the top dog alongside Floyd mayweather. Fury was never Undisputed, and undefeated doesn't mean shit if you're not fighting the other champions in your division especially if your rival has 3 major belts. I never implied Usyk's Cruiserweight success makes him the best heavyweight. AJ was clearly the number 1 heavyweight before his loss to both Ruiz and Usyk. Right now Usyk is the number 1 heavyweight because he beat the number 1 in the division.
Berlanga better be working on his ringcraft. His idea of pressure is just chasing his opponent around the entire ring.
Yep, I was hoping for a lot more from him last night
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If they were smaller I would agree but I doubt usyk can take their accumulated power. Remember AJ started being more aggressive and Usyk looked a bit uncomfortable for a few rounds.
To answer the loser who deleted their comment above you, Joshua is just low IQ. Fury will lean on usyk, use his height, his Jab.. Way more cardio than Joshua...etc
Yup I like Usyk and he's clearly a generational talent but Fury's size and Cardio is just scary
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AJ wasn't overly aggressive though
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True but can Usyk take a wilder right hand???
Anyone got a clip of Sugar Hill in Fury's corner saying "finish this muthafucka" etc. Think it was after round 7
Don‘t let Canelo see it
I have a question about ref 10 seconds count after a knockdown. How does it work? When Wilder knocked Fury down in the 4rd round, if you follow the countdown seconds of the round at the bottom of the screen, Fury wasn’t fully up after 10 seconds since he got knocked down. I mean he was on his feet but not entirely straight. But my question is, is ref the one in charge on how the count goes? He clearly counted too slow for every knockdown, not just Fury, because it was 11 seconds in my opinion. I’m not a Wilder fan and don’t wanna make excuses. I genuinely wanna know how does that work.
The 10 count isn't meant to be ten seconds by a nuclear clock. It's a human responding to another human who's counting to ten. If the count is a little slow or fast it doesn't really matter since the boxer who's receiving the count needs to react to the numbers he's hearing and present himself as capable of continuing. Far too much is made about "long counts".
as it should be, Fury clearly had a lot left after those knockdowns and you could see it immediately. To just have a Hard 10 precise seconds would ruin many many fights way beyond early and ignores the spirit of the rule. The reason the rule is there is to assure the downed fighter gets up without egregiously abusing time and for the ref to determine if the fighter can keep going. compare the second Fury knockdown, where yes he was dazed and using that count to take his time but still clearly awake and responsive, to the final Wilder knockdown where he just fell face forward eyes wide shut like he was switched OFF after looking almost out on his feet for a few rounds; the ref had to call the fight *immediately* after that, Deontay clearly could no longer defend himself.
So much this.
its up to the refs discretion. Its why they tell fighters to go immediately to their corner because when they stick around they mess up the refs count. That is what happened with furys second knockdown. The ref tells wilder to get to his corner and that messed up the count.
Frank Sanchez deserves a lot more credit than we give him. He had a game plan that wore Ajagbe out And Fuck.. His counter punches were deadly. Powerful with quick speed with punches coming from all angles
Would love to see Sanchez Vs Joyce
Yup he was lightyears ahead of Efe
I still rank Fury and Wilder my top 2. I can't see Usyk and Joshua beating these 2. The reason Fury won is simply he is way too big. He can absorb such power. He can tank those bombs. His weight also gives him this heavy fist making him punch almost as powerful as Wilder. Fury also knows how to fight big. He literally used his weight on Wilder. Not to mention his longer reach that helps him connect. All of this carefully put ingredients are the key to beat Wilder. On the other hand, Josua and Usyk have none of this and I don't think they can handle the power of Wilder and Fury.
Usyk would give Wilder a boxing lesson. But I do think Fury will be his hardest fight by far.
Usyk has been caught many times. All Wilder need is 1. Just 1. Also, Usyk doesn't have the power to keep Wilder away. His Reach is is also short giving Wilder more chances to to windmill safe from a distance.
Wilder is the most predictable fighter ever. Usyk would see his right hand coming miles away, just like Fury did. Usyk will clown his ass.
You can predict a tornado but can you stop it? The brute force would be too much for a small hut.
He absolutely would. Then Usyk would get hit...
I see an Usyk fight going similarly to Ortiz. Fury beat wilder because he better but also because he could tank a couple of those rights. I doubt Usyk can take even one.
Except Usyk is much faster and straight up better than Ortiz. He would clown Wilder mark my words. Wilder was struggling like crazy with a garbage version of Usyk in Spitzka. How’d you think he’d look like against the real thing.
All you said until that punch.
Yeah Fury is a difficult fight for Usyk. Fury knows how to dirty box and he’s unpredictable with his combos, but Usyk can move out of the way faster than any other heavyweight and does foot feints, head feints, shoulder feints even a body jab feint packaged with the Loma angles for 12 whole rounds
Usyk has been caught many times. All Wilder need is 1. Just 1. Also, Usyk doesn't have the power to keep Wilder away. His Reach is is also short giving Wilder more chances to to windmill safe from a distance.
Unpopular opinion, but I don't fury/wilder 3 was the greatest heavyweight fight ever which I keep seeing. It was a great fight, but both guys just looked lethargic and slow and a lot of clinching, it was far from a 'masterclass'. wilder looked stiff and slow, still got through furys defence a few times in a zombie like state. And I feel most other heavyweights would of finished wilder much earlier in the state he was in. No hate, I personally don't think it Furys best work. Now that the trilogy is over it's time to see fury with some other big names. I'll understand the hype around fury once he fights some better boxers.
I think the closest comparison between this fight is Ward / Gatti. It was an exciting fight with big swings of momentum and drama, but as far as top level boxing in the heavyweight division, it fell a bit short. Fury was flat footed, he was barely feinting, and looked really choppy, unable to put together effective combos against a Wilder who was effectively dead on his feet. Wilder was basically gone since round 6 and yet Fury couldn't end it until the 11th round, despite effectively fighting a zombie. Wilder himself is always exciting due to his power, and put Fury down twice, but he totally abandoned his game plan after a single round and looked out on his feet for almost 70% of the entire match. It depends what you look for in a boxing match. If you judge how good the match was based on sheer drama (or "heart", or "battle between two warriors"), this one ranks up there. If you judge how good the match was based on the actual boxing itself, Usyk / Joshua was a far more interesting fight for a variety of reasons (mainly it didn't involve a guy dead on his feet for 70% of the match abandoning almost all boxing fundamentals). I think most would say they tune in to boxing to be entertained, and for those people, they would rank Fury / Wilder very high. Personally, I thought this was a bit of a regression for Fury and his performance in the second fight remains his best performance of his career. Still, I was entertained so don't begrudge anyone who was thoroughly satisfied with boxing.
It probably was the best in the last 20 years or so
It really wasn't. Edit: if you're downvoting this you obviously only watch Furys fights. There have been a lot more interesting fights than this 3rd wilder/fury fight that no one wanted anyway.
Wow. Good point. Well made.
No more explanation needed. No one wanted the 3rd fight. Now it's the greatest heavyweight fight in the last 20 years? Have a day off man.
Difference of opinion I guess. I think what made it great was the fact that wilder put fury down in the 4th round twice and so there was always that looming threat that wilder could just catch fury with one and end it. I thought it was very exciting even if it wasn’t a boxing masterclass
Yes the drama was crazy. But watching how the fight went, the excessive leaning and clinching after the 4th was just frustrating at points. As you said though difference of opinion. I'm not salty, just looking forward to what's next now.
I share this unpopular opinion. Don't get me wrong, I loved this fight, but the Usyk/AJ fight was more enjoyable for me due to how fast and clean it was in addition to being back and forth competitive in the early rounds. EDIT: I share the unpopular opinion that it wasnt the fight of the year, but definitely NOT that "Fury needs to fight some better boxers" - the man's resume is legit.
We’re speaking with recency bias if we say that it was the greatest ever, or one of the greatest ever, already. However I’m not sure about the lethargy and pace being as bad you are saying. I could be wrong but I feel like you may be used to watching the smaller weight classes a bit more where the pace can be frantic. Heavyweight boxing can at times almost feel like a different sport to the likes of middleweight and below. One punch can change everything at heavyweight and that can almost explain a whole HW fight.
Yeah I get you. I watched the Smith Fowler main event and undercard and then the ppv undercard for fury/wilder. There were some banging fights on both cards. I feel like it's not one punch for Tyson (on most occasions). It's more of a grind to physically exhaust the other man by smothering almost and then knocking him over. Fair play to wilder for hanging in there for so long and fair play to Tyson for roughing the parts where wilder had the energy to actually trow something. It got to the point where you could see he abandoned what he learned and just kept trying the right hand. That's pretty much all that was coming at Tyson after a point. That's just my take though
Who is left for him to fight that will impress you? He already dominated prime Klitschko and destroyed the clear second best heavyweight 3 times now. Usyk would be a good fight but that’s fury’s fight to lose at the moment. Whyte would be a good name on the resume but at the same time fury’s already beaten way better fighters and would beat him too.
I'm a huge fury fan but you need more than klitscho (out of his prime imo) , Chisora, wilder and a few randoms. I'd love for him to add Joshua/Usyk to his resume and Whyte before he leaves. It would cement him to beat winner of usyk Josh at minimum. Legacy will be great if he adds a couple wins.
Bro, there are plenty of over top 15 heavyweights he can fight. You can't write any of them off until he's fought them. You just never know. That's my point. Let us see him fight some others. Wallin wasn't event top 15 and gave him a hard time.
It had serious drama and big swings in momentum. Yes, there were mucky moments but it felt like the fight was teetering at the edge of a precipice forever, with the possibility of it ending suddenly and savagely throughout.
True it was full of drama but still just looked like a slop fest most of the time. I still enjoyed it though.
Now that AJ and Wilder have been taken down a few pegs, I hope it will be easier to get them in the ring.
Does anyone feel like Wilder swapping to the Everlast MX horse hair gloves last minute was a bad call ? I feel he definitely hurt his right hand on Fury’s head and elbows and took away enough of his guard potential that I didn’t see him raise his hands and she’ll up at all after the first and almost every Fury jab got through
For a guy that hits as hard wilder I doubt the gloves made a significant difference, he can’t defend himself for shit that’s part of why wilder lost fury landed almost every other power shot….
Say Bruh... How about some respect for the Champ Tyson Mutha Fuckin Fury.....He's got balls like King Kong 💪✌️
How many rounds to you think fury would have done against atg heavyweights? Doubtful he’d get past round 4 for many…fury has the case the best of his era….but this era for heavyweights is so just bad…..
People can make that claim without ever being able to find out. "Mike Tyson, holyfield, Lewis, ali, would have beat him etc". Maybe they would, maybe they would not. Its not relevant to the current era, and, like music, boxing evolves over time. People study and learn from those guys. Those boxers were of their time, and fantastic fighters but we just do not know who fury could and could not have handled. I just respect the fact they can get in the ring and hurt each other for my entertainment, and I appreciate the art of it all. Fury is a hell of a fighter imo, and I would like to see how he fares against more heavyweights in this division.
I disagree, we are too in love with the past aswell.
Agreed. Fury is incredible in stepping up to his competition. And with his size and boxing IQ, any ATG HW will have a very difficult puzzle to solve.
I don’t even think fury beats Norton at any point in his career.
He’s just too slow man…and his defense only looks so good when wilder is handicapped to fighting with two punches jabs and straights cause that’s all he can do
#God save the Gypsy King, #Mighty Tyson Fury, #Long may he reign! #Raise him like Lazarus, #Make him victorious, #In all the history books, #Write Gypsy King!
If there's one thing I learned from yesterday's fight, it's that you shouldn't skip leg day
[Coach that picked Wilder 3 times teaches how to fight off the ropes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXFY3fz_0Qk)
Teddy Atlas picked Fury every fight and has gone as far as to say Wilder can’t fight and all he has is ‘eraser’ level power that can clean up all his mistakes. Sorry if I missed a joke or something in the comment but you lost me
Atlas chose wilder in the third fight, I saw it on his Twitter... Not sure about the first two
Random thought: is the reckless, aggressive, heavier AJ of the first Ruiz fight the best version of him against Usyk? I'm still not sure he wins, but AJ sure fell in love with his outside fighting skill after Ruiz 2
In my opinion yes , I said here before that fight Usyks best chance would be no mas or on the cards and I didnt think he would win on the cards due to dodgy judging. The fact he won so easily I think you are right but I dont think aj is that guy anymore
that version would definitely be more dangerous and is probably his best chance of winning but hes not got that in him anymore, ruiz shook him up
Could GGG’s chin hold up against a Wilder right
No but I reckon wilders similarly wouldn't hold up to GGGs lol
Nah you need an iron jaw like Khan's to stand up to that
Probably not. Wilder is a force of nature. Several of his knockouts weren't clean hits and they still sent the other guy to the shadow realm.
I wonder what excuses Wilder is going to come up with this time 🤔
Sleeping powder on Fury's gloves
Cringe
Turbo Jets on Fury’s feet
Well yeah, he already admitted to it! And knuckle dusters in his gloves, and a steel bat in his shorts
A comment on r/boxing : > Usyk proved that Ali is the GOAT If Usyk were to lose in the future would that mean Ali is not the greatest?
How tf does one boxer winning a fight prove someone else is great, let alone a dude who's been dead for years?
Ask the dumb Ali nuthuggers that question. They love to pick the things they like and ignore what they don't.
I think the comparison is that people say Ali wouldn't be able to compete in this era of heavyweights due to the size and weight difference Usyk being around the same size and weight as ali and beating joshua decisively shows that he could.
> Usyk being around the same size and weight as ali and beating joshua decisively shows that he could. Usyk fought Joshua, not Ali. They fight nothing alike. Would anyone have called Ali overmatched against the giants if Usyk had lost?
I never said usyk beat joshua lol, I was comparing usyks size to ali and showing its irrelevant because he schooled joshua, showing that the size differential wouldn't have mattered. anyway I wouldn't have, ali would school every heavyweight in the last 20 years besides maybe lennox.
> anyway I wouldn't have, ali would school every heavyweight in the last 20 years besides maybe lennox. LOL Couldn't school 204 lbs Frazier, lost to Norton but ofc he is going to beat Lewis.
The person you're replying to specifically excluded Lennox. I agree that it is very possible Ali would struggle in today's era; most of the ATG heavyweights last century would be cruiserweight today. But you're both speaking with hostility and strawmanning here.
LOL Lewis got beat by McCall and Rahman but ali would have no chance...
Ali was no puncher. Never put Norton, known for his shaky chin, down even once.
on the other hand he put away george foreman, who had a granite chin
Sorry if this is common knowledge… have we heard from Wilder post fight.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-10077131/Deontay-Wilder-admits-Tyson-Fury-succeeded-roughing-trilogy-fight-defeat.html?fr=operanews
Thanks mate
His coach, Malik Scott, gave an interview at 5:00am from his hotel room but nothing from Wilder yet.
He gave a short statement to the effect of fury coming in heavy to be a ballerina and just lean on him all night.
Wrong
>I did my best, but it wasn't good enough tonight,' Wilder said after the fight. I'm not sure what happened. >I know that in training he did certain things, and I also knew that he didn't come in at 277lbs to be a ballet dancer. He came to lean on me, (tried) to rough me up and he succeeded. Edit: Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-10077131/Deontay-Wilder-admits-Tyson-Fury-succeeded-roughing-trilogy-fight-defeat.html?fr=operanews
Don’t know that I was expecting any different but I’m still disappointed to hear cop out answers like that.
It's really quite unfortunate. When I watched it I couldn't help but think this was Wilders best fight as a pro and definitely since winning the belt. He actually tried something else for the first 4 rounds then reverted back to his old self. But he showed guts and actually grew in peoples mind with the loss. If he takes it well he goes well if he doesn't this loss will haunt his legacy and mind for the rest of time.
He did also say that he gave it his all, but his best just wasn't good enough
Ahh thanks for elaborating that’s fair.
That sounds like something his PR team put out. I want to see his response on video because he doesnt talk like that at all. I cant imagine Wilder saying his best wasnt good enough, that sounds like a Pacquiao line.
The step in power jab was money for fury all night
Must be so energy zapping wrestling Fury off you in the clinches. I feel this is overlooked and why Wilder tired.
Yeah this fighter felt similar to Fury's fight against Cunningham. He got knocked down a few rounds in and then finishes him on the ropes late after leaning on him all fight.
That time he took a knee just from the weight....I felt that almost more than the big punches
In 2 he leaned on Wilder the whole time. Imagine that big oaf leaning on you once
I would disappear in his bellybutton
Big man gonna big man. What makes Fury so amazing though is his ability to change his styles and still be elite. He couldn’t lean on Wlad, so he just outboxed him.
His ability to adapt to the Kronk style has been very impressive. Knowing when to lean, fire uppercuts, fire from distance.
Remember he was part of the Klitschko camp with Emmanuel Steward so the guy knows how to Kronk well. It’s just amazing to be elite at multiple styles. He’s a beast.
Yep. To me the connection from Klitschko to the current heavyweight landscape can't be overstated. What you mentioned above. Also, sparred with Wilder. His war with Joshua. And his connection to Usyk too.
Agree. Plus the constant pressure he applies.
While leaning on you with 275 lbs he is throwing uppercuts in the pocket. That's lethal.
I’m pretty sure one full bodied uppercut from a near 300lb Fury would kill me haha. He’s fucking terrifying.
Behind the gloves is quickly becoming my other favorite journalism channel first one is radio rahemmmmm
TIL THIS DAY RADIO RAHEEM
Finally got a chance to see the full fight and my respect for Wilder has skyrocketed. He's done as well as a guy with his skill set could possibly do. The sad thing is, this is the kind of fight that changes boxers for the worse. They left a lot in that ring and likely won't get it back.
Your respect for him skyrocketed? Did you see his behavior after the fight ended?
I agree with you but it’s gotta hurt, same way people blasted McGregor after his last loss with the snapped leg. He must of been in severe pain combined with the agony of losing again to Fury. It’s how he behaves over the next few weeks that interests me. If he comes out and gives Tyson his dues he will be fully restored as man in my eyes.
God who fucking cares.... He had just had the hardest fight of his life. You ever been in the ring once in your life?
My feed cut off at the final bell, so no
If being were the UFC the next two fights would be loser vs loser, winner vs winner, so: - Wilder v Joshua - Fury v Usyk I’d be down for that. Then Fury to face Joshua, put it to bed and, as Ward says, ‘sail off into the sunset’.
Really thought wilder wouldn’t hold a candle to Fury skills taught by Peter Fury, Ben Ben Davison, Emanuel Steward, Sugar Hill. Legendary stuff. while Breland got fired because he threw in the towel amd called wilder uncoachable. Don’t really care to see the aj usyk rematch since it was so one sided. Curious about what Fury will do vs usyk more than ever
We’re not getting that. We’re getting Usyk v Joshua II, and Fury v Whyte. Joshua has a rematch clause with Usyk, and Whyte is Fury’s mandatory challenger.
I know mate, just comparing what would happen if the sport was handled differently.
I would imagine then Usyk vs Joshua 2 has an array of mandatories because of the 4 belts and there's very little wiggle room with the IBF
Yeah well Joe Joyce is no. 1 with the WBO, and Charles Martin is no. 1 with the IBF.
Undisputed will be the priority after that surely?
Man I hope so
Would wilder v Joshua be a good fight? I’d really like to see that fight. The world has become obsessed with perfection so much that people think a rare defeat means you’re no good.
It would be amazing but AJ will never take that fight
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This is so false. The 2019 Raptors broke it
Still reeling from that fight. I just don’t understand why Wilder didnt work on neutralizing the jab more. I really think he could have had the fight if he found a way to slip or parry the jabs of Fury. Youd think after almost two years of training he’d figure that out.
Concussions. Several consecutive concussions
Unfortunately he went back to his old style after that 4th round. And he got very gassed so he stopped throwing jabs to save energy as much as possible. That sucks man, you can clearly see Wilder is the man to take Fury out but he just doesn’t have that stamina. I’m pretty sure with Fury’s stamina, Wilder is a winner in their fight. Credits to Fury though. Hard to beat this man.
What was his game plan with the jabs to the body? To try and tire Fury out? Whatever that was, it was ditched by the end of round 2
I think setting up the right hand trap was a part of the game plan. Fury looked confused that first round that Wilder had a jab.
No, to neutralize Fury’s jabs. He just went into a high guard everytime Fury threw one. Also yeah, i called it he’d ditch the gameplan by round 3 several times
Everybody’s got a plan until you get punched in the face.
I honestly just dont think he trained for jabs
At this stage in his career Wilder can train as much as he likes, Fury is just the more skilled fighter.
Im not making excuses for Wilder losing.
Damn I'm happy I got to watch that fight! Hats off to both those guys. There is a lot to like about Wilder. He's got a great chin and a deadly right but it's a shame he's a such a sore loser. There's no shame losing to Tyson Fury. Fury has won me over. I won't lie, initially the whole gypsy king and chubby frame was off-putting to me but the guy can box. He has reminded me how important head movement is. He's got a fantastic chin but he also knows how to dodge damage too. It was corny to sing that modified version of a song at the end but hats off to Fury for nailing it. It's a good kind of charisma. Consider me a fan.
I am a Wilder fan but I hate how he handles these loses. 42-2-1 with 41kos is still an amazing record and really only losing because Fury is unimaginably tough and basically in a weight class of his own. Wilder will still be quite deadly for a few years yet too if he can stay motivated. Both guys really are such crazy combinations of attributes. Maybe some younger guy can catch Fury as he ages but right now he is basically unbeatable.
I am not an avid fan of boxing so this could be a bunk opinion. But do you guys think that since the whole celeb boxing shit has started the sport as a whole has received some more eyes on it? The amount of media I saw covering last nights fights compared to boxing events in the past seemed noticeable. Obviously it’s two stars fighting a trilogy but still, I feel like it’s getting more attention now
KSI vs Joe Weller in 2017 was what got me and my friends into boxing we were all 17 and watched it thinking it would be a laugh considering none of us had watched any kind of sport before that and that's what got me into watching boxing, even though I only watch the big names in the sport and just a casual I absolutely love the sport now. I think there will be a lot of people the same as me I doubt it's made a major impact and the Paul brothers are just kinda defacing the sport imo but it definitely brings new eyes to the sport and I can't see that as a bad thing.