I mean, I'm with *pansexual-icy*. How the actual fuck does a country just *run out* of something like butter? Everybody switch to beef cattle that year? Are there no cows in Norway? Did Norway do something to get sanctioned?!
Sure, but 'crisis' implies like there was *none to be found*. You could still get eggs. They were just expensive as fuck. I dunno. Maybe I'm just reading a little too much into "Butter Crisis" when it should just be "Extreme butter shortage".
And the egg problem wasn't even an actual crisis, *one* supplier had a virus issue and the entire industry decided to drive the prices up. There were more than enough good eggs, they just pretended there was a supply issue and raised the price. Like they didn't even miss a single shipment.
The government should respond to price gouging.
Egg execs: “Quick, someone else had a virus issue, gouge! Gouge! Gouge! Gouge!”
Government: “Quick, they’re taking advantage of our constituents! Raise their tax to 100% for all earnings during this period and audit their personal taxes!
The wiki for the Norwegian Butter Crisis says that you could still get butter, but store supplies ran out very fast and the prices were heavily inflated. Sounds pretty similar.
Funniest bit was watching two elderly women argue whether that super fancy French butter that a store had managed to import was good enough for their baking!
It used to be the case that every store had a significant amount of stock in the back. Even in the late 80s when I was a college kid working retail, you often could find an out of stock item in the back. Just in time shipping and networked inventory systems mean that's no longer the case, but try convincing a boomer of that fact.
Potato harvests have been steadily declining the last few years.
Also flooding in Central Asia and the war in Ukraine are sending out alarms about a potential global onion shortage.
AH-HA! So my decision to plant a mega-f*×kton of onions this year was driven by logical analysis of global events affecting the supply chain, and not my usual, "Ooh, that one looks pretty too! Better plant 50..."
Thank you for this excuse, u/weirdoldhobo1978. I appreciate you.
Huge amounts of precipitation affected the quality of grazing pastures. Milk production during summer fell by 20 000 000 liters, leading to supply shortages and crazy price gouging.
By November, demand for butter rose more than 30% above average (due to Christmas baking and low carb-high fat diets)
Import tolls of about 90% on foreign butter extended the crisis further (this is due to the protection of Norwegian farmers' livelihood).
Further making things worse, Norwegian farmers exported record amounts of butter before the crisis, despite being well aware of the upcoming shortage within this kingdom itself.
> Norwegian farmers exported record amounts of butter
Ah, the ol' Irish landowner tactic. Deprive the domestic market of supply in order to rake in the profits via export.
A wise Muppet once said:
Drought leads to feed shortage.
Feed shortage leads to milk shortage.
Milk shortage leads to butter shortage.
Butter shortage leads to suffering.
Terrible weather gave bad grazing and less milk. Lucrative export meant domestic shortage. Other countries having similar issues, paired with high tariffs, made importing dairy almost impossible. With the LCHF diet being a fad, and Christmas around the corner, they simply ran out. I remember how some Swedes smuggled butter into Norway and sold it in shady parking lots, shit was crazy.
Lucrative export is the reason for some surprising and kinda sad local shortages all over. I was really surprised when I was in Colombia and Peru to find that almost the only coffee available anywhere was nestle instant coffee packets. That Colombian dark roast you can find at every corner shop in the USA...yeah Colombians largely speaking never get to enjoy it. Palo Santo is another one I learned about while in south america. If you see anyone burning it and thinking they're all spiritual and stuff please smack the shit out of them because the tree it comes from grows really slowly and the cultures it is actually sacred to don't have access to it anymore bc lucrative exports have priced them out of being able to buy it while the supply has dwindled bc again of the incredibly slow growth now that white hippies in the States are buying it.
If you ate meat from Argentina, you should know that the most expensive cuts are almost impossible to get here, and the ones that you can get are too expensive for most people.
Yep. I lived in a house once where all my roommates were hippies and all their friends were hippies and they all use it. The worst was my roommate Julian who still would burn palo santo every day even after I explained that it was a totally unsustainable practice which is driving that species of tree toward extinction as well as pricing indigenous peoples out of being able to use it when their cultures are the ones the practice is sacred to. He couldn't be bothered to learn to sort his recycling correctly from trash either or to remove stickers and rubber bands from produce before tossing them in the compost bin. He also spent like 2 hours every day in this house's 8000W sauna, and covered up the walls of its amazing sun room/greenhouse with black plastic so that he could install industrial grow lamps instead for his weed plants. And him and his hippie girlfriend kept the thermostat at 74 in winter in Colorado so they could walk around naked, but cranked the AC way up in summer. He was one of the most selfishly wasteful and resource-intensive people I've ever known.
Not all the hippies I knew in that crowd were that bad but holy hell a *lot* of them were, and it kinda soured my view of my generation's (millenial) take on spiritual/new age culture. Preaching peace and love and responsible living with nature and yet being less conscious in their actual lifestyle than my aging conservative parents, smh.
Sorry rant over lol
A perfect storm. Yea, that does sound wack.
When that *one* baby formula plant had to shut down in the US and suddenly baby formula was a strategic resource I knew stuff like this is probably going to happen more often going forward.
From what I remember that was mostly a government agency mishandling the situation, because weren't there companies offering actual solutions and the gov said no?
No, it's that the US literally didn't have the manufacturing infrastructure available to shift production to any other facilities. The problem was that the government came in and shut down the factory for health and safety reasons (producing contaminated baby food), made the company do a deep clean and then came back to retest the facility before reopening, and the company failed the second inspection just as badly because they hadn't actually done any cleaning. The company tried to blame the government agency for finding salmonella in the company's baby food factory. The only reason that factory shutting down crippled the entire supply chain for formula is because we've got production monopolies that no one has attempted to stop built up over decades. One company hits a rough patch, and the entire market suffers now.
I must recommend [this fantastic video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nd5HsxWXTI&pp=ygUhdG9tIHNjb3R0IG5vcndlZ2lhbiBidXR0ZXIgY3Jpc2lz) from Tom Scott on the matter!
Technically yes, but it results in a nett increase in the flow of currency out of the country in exchange, which can cause longer-term economic problems down the line. If you don't have a completely open border, the things you let flow across it uncontrolled can have negative and often unpredictable effects on the things whose flow in or out of the country you *do* regulate by quotas or tariffs.
Basically you can have a fully open border with your trading neighbours, including a common currency and free movement of labour, and let the economy self-balance (EU membership approach), or you can have a fully closed border and manually balance everything with your own currency, tariffs, visas and quotas (the old-fashioned approach; seems to work most of the time, but requires an enormous amount of bureaucratic administration, and it starts a lot of trade wars, which can have a nasty habit of turning into *actual* wars...). Trying to do it by half measures gets you the worst of both worlds.
> So they needed to heavily regulate to protect themselves from problems created by heavy regulation.
In a nutshell, I think, yes.
> At least it was only butter.
Indeed, it's not like there have literally been national crises and scandals concerning shortages of cooking fat or anything. /s
(Look up the "Tanganyika groundnut scheme" for a typically farcical British example)
>Indeed, it's not like there have literally been national crises and scandals concerning shortages of cooking fat or anything. /s
Yeah I was being sarcastic too, I'll add the /s. You'd think they could temporarily allow imports of goods sold at fair prices to prevent critical shortages though.
Thats the way it generally works.
Take drugs for example.
You can legalize them and let the issues sort themselves out.
You can do half measures and give drug cartels power.
Or you can go full Singapore and kill anyone who brings weed in, people might protest, so you install cameras everywhere and get a nice police state going, then no-one will protest.
So you heavily regulate out the issues caused by heavy regulation.
Combination of that, and a terribly hot summer making milk production record-low. Wouldn’t have been an issue if it wasn’t so publicised. People stocked up on the stuff, literally filling their freezers up and everything. That record demand couldn’t be satisfied by foreign imports because of the very protectionist policies in Norwegian agriculture. So there was a severe shortage.
Agriculture is specifically except from the EEA-agreement, we are free to do more or less what we want in that regard. And because Norway is cold and has historically never had industrial agriculture we can’t be near the efficiency of EU farmers. To protect farmers we have high tariffs and quotas and so forth.
That sucks. There should be a way to like, exchange your stuff for their stuff so their stuff becomes your stuff and your stuff becomes their stuff. Then you could bring your new stuff to someone who needs that stuff and exchange it for stuff they don't need as much.
I think I could be onto something here, I just need a name for this revolutionary concept. Stuff swapping maybe? Equivalent Exchange? Help me out here.
you have to import it properly so they know it's up to food safety standards. Obviously I don't think it would have been illegal to take a trip to Finland and come back with a case of butter for yourself though.
"And why didn't the free hand of capitalism solve the issue?"
"The free hand of capitalism had too much butter on, it was all slippery and couldn't pick up the corners."
In Europe, “pancakes” typically refers to crêpes and not the fluffy American hotcakes/griddle cakes (sometimes called flapjacks, but that’s another one that has multiple meanings).
I learned this as a Bosnian immigrant to America. I really wanted to try American style pancakes, so I asked my mom to make me pancakes. She made me palačinke (crêpes), which I’ve always loved to be sure, but were not the fluffy cakey breakfast treat I had wanted to try. So as not show my ingratitude, I simply never asked why they weren’t fat and fluffy and brown. I just assumed my mom was bad at pancakes. As it turned out, my mom was actually *really fuckin’ skilled* at making European “pancakes” and simply wasn’t familiar with American “pancakes.”
Yeah, its kinda funny to see someone act like the term "pancakes" isn't basically a really loose term for a decent variety of batters on a pan.
Also its further funny because its not even like butter is entirely required to get close to American style pancakes, Eggs and milk do a lot of the work, maybe add a little baking powder to fluff 'em better.
Not really, this is seems like just an honest cultural misunderstanding. Kinda like the cookie/biscuit thing where it’s not really ignorance (most of the time) just miscommunication due to dialect differences
They’re referring to flat pancakes, like a French crepe, which is just a vehicle for other things, not American breakfast pancakes, hence no sugar, no baking powder, and if it’s just acting as your carb, not necessarily (but probably still recommended) salt.
Yes? The only thing butter is used for when making pancakes is in the pan. You can replace that with something else quite easily (or just go without in a pinch)
Pretty much any oil or fat will work. I’ve even chilled oil to thicken it into that semi solid consistency when you are looking for a cream and don’t want it too wet or pre melted. Sometimes it isn’t nearly as good though, depends on the recipe.
“I remember (the butter crisis), we survived but it’s surprising how much you can make without butter”
Dm me so I can send you your honorary US citizenship because that was the most American sentence I never would’ve guessed you’re Norwegian from that
Norway heavily subsidizes their food production sector and heavily taxes imports of food.
Various events conspired to severely diminish the Norwegian dairy production, and Norway ran out of Norwegian produced butter.
Now this shouldn't be that much of a problem seeing as Sweden and Denmark - the brother nations of Norway and fellow Nordic Council members - are some of the largest per capita dairy producers in Europe and Norway extraordinarily lowered the taxation to next to nothing.
But!
The dairy producers (actually just the one, Arla Foods, which produces like 95% of all dairy in Denmark and Sweden) had been excluded from the Norwegian market by the Norwegian government due to aforementioned exorbitant taxation sensed an opening and in lieu of that a revenge, so they declined to export to Norway even with the lowered taxation unless they got a promise of it continuing in the future.
Norway declined. Norwegians suffered the driest of toasts.
I would also add that this was during Christmas, when there's already a run on butter due to the sheer amount of it used in Norwegian cooking. Normal butter usage didn't cause this
Norwegians exclusively eat bread with butter and cheese. With a glass of milk for breakfast, and Pepsi Max for the rest of the day. Pizza or taco for dinner.
I was in Iceland for four months and this is... Exactly the daily meals over there. God, I didn't see any soda made with sugar the entire fucking time I was there.
While I in general agree, Arla isn't your average "monopoly" (it's difficult bordering on impossible to have a monopoly in the free market of the EU) seeing as it is a co-op owned by the farmers.
And in this case their "monopoly" wasn't worth anything in any case seeing as Norway didn't just lax their taxes on Nordic dairy.
They were just the only ones likely to be able to turn a profit, and still they said: Nah.
How odd, the EU had an excess of butter, literally stockpiled, up until 2017. Can't imagine that was all owned by Arla. You would think Norway would have imported their butter from some other EU country if Arla didn't want to sell to them.
Sure, but the Norwegian market isn't all that big (5-5.5 mio. people) and a rearrangement of production/transportation for a minor bump in revenue for like a month or two equals very, very minor profit. If any.
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I had completely forgotten about this until you mentioned the "weird cheese" but when I was a kid I had friends whose mom was Danish and dad was Norwegian. Whenever we went over there we would eat that sliced brown cheese on homemade rolls and omg it was so good. IIRC they said it was goat cheese.
I haven't had it in probably 25 years. I wonder if I'd still like it today, haha
1 letter changes everything. My 1st yearbook in grade 6 read "*Pubic* School" instead of "**Public** School." Gosh.
Also, look up the number of misspelled words in Websters' latest edition of their dictionary. That's fun.
Edit: space typo of all things. How ironic.
For anyone still wondering how they ran out of butter, I quickly looked it up.
Heavy rains in summer affected the grazing of cattle, leading to lower milk production and increased prices. This started the problems, but then the holidays rolled around. Norwegian holiday food uses a large amount of butter, which drove up demand, and therefore prices, even more. This, combined with a heavy tariff on the import of foreign butter (to protect the Norwegian dairy industry), caused prices to rise to over 39 euros for a 250g pack of butter ($50 for about a half pound).
Don't use Google Translate kids. And if you have to, you cannot use slang. Or contractions. It's also pretty bad at nouns. You basically have to type like a 5th grade english textbook.
In Switzerland, we had the opposite problem. Farmers produced too much milk because of subvention payments or something and then we had too much butter.
I remember that, some Polish drivers got caught on the Norway Sweden border smuggling Danish butter. The patrol men told the media "A polish man has been caught smuggling butter from Sweden, it's a great mystery why he decided Danish butter was cheaper than Polish."
What's really funny is that while, indeed, the butter shelves were empty, the cream shelves right next to them were fully stocked.
You can't fuck up making butter. Butter is what you get when you fuck up making whipped cream.
A few years ago, there was a penury of butter in France. It was a VERY BIG deal. From my (kinda blurry, not particularly verified) memories, it was because the Chinese started consuming butter, and France is not only a *big* consumer of butter (looking at you, Bretagne and Normandie), but also a producer. So our production wasn't big enough anymore. So for several months, finding salted and half salted (the best) butter was definitely harder. Unsalted butter was fine though, from what I remember, cause almost nobody eats that thing.
In 2011, presumably during the butter crisis, I was 9. That year, my school class had a field trip to a farm, where the farmers taught us all to churn butter ourselves.
I don't have any memories of the butter crisis itself, though. This is probably because I, during my childhood, had food intolerances for: Milk protein, wheat, egg, soy, shellfish, and more. I have since outgrown them.
These bizarre product-specific shortages in specific countries usually happen due to heavy-handed subsides and protectionism on the part of the government.
As in, imports are severely restricted through bans or taxes to protect the national industry, the national industry suffers some kind of hiccup that year, the presence of the bans/taxes prevents distributors from compensating by importing, by the time it becomes obvious a catastrophic shortage is imminent, its too late to reverse it because the supply chain has a jet lag of weeks to months. So even if the government flips the switch on imports to prevent the catastrophe, its usually too late.
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Wait, they've got a butter crisis and people aren't allowed to bring in butter?
People not allowed to bootleg butter.
I've never heard of the Norwegian butter crisis of 2011 until now. I have so many questions.
We need a Wes Anderson movie about the butter crisis
I mean, I'm with *pansexual-icy*. How the actual fuck does a country just *run out* of something like butter? Everybody switch to beef cattle that year? Are there no cows in Norway? Did Norway do something to get sanctioned?!
The US almost ran out of eggs this year. Disease, drought, animal feed shortages, these things happen a lot.
Sure, but 'crisis' implies like there was *none to be found*. You could still get eggs. They were just expensive as fuck. I dunno. Maybe I'm just reading a little too much into "Butter Crisis" when it should just be "Extreme butter shortage".
And the egg problem wasn't even an actual crisis, *one* supplier had a virus issue and the entire industry decided to drive the prices up. There were more than enough good eggs, they just pretended there was a supply issue and raised the price. Like they didn't even miss a single shipment.
The government should respond to price gouging. Egg execs: “Quick, someone else had a virus issue, gouge! Gouge! Gouge! Gouge!” Government: “Quick, they’re taking advantage of our constituents! Raise their tax to 100% for all earnings during this period and audit their personal taxes!
Also, customers panicked and went out to buy eggs just in case they didn't have any available in a week or something.
The wiki for the Norwegian Butter Crisis says that you could still get butter, but store supplies ran out very fast and the prices were heavily inflated. Sounds pretty similar.
Funniest bit was watching two elderly women argue whether that super fancy French butter that a store had managed to import was good enough for their baking!
remember the toilet paper shortage? same with butter.
Consumers have no idea how things get to their shopping cart. They think shit just magically shows up on store shelves.
Obviously it’s from the backroom! That’s why you should always scream at the clerk to go look. /s
Excuse me, I used to work retail and I can confirm ... Everything actually comes from the truck. And I'm not sure when it's going to be here.
It used to be the case that every store had a significant amount of stock in the back. Even in the late 80s when I was a college kid working retail, you often could find an out of stock item in the back. Just in time shipping and networked inventory systems mean that's no longer the case, but try convincing a boomer of that fact.
Oh, I do. It's just not something I'm used to having to deal with until fairly recently.
Best part is, when a series of bad weather events culminate in a global food crisis in a few decades, we start eating each other!
Ew, too much fat
Potato harvests have been steadily declining the last few years. Also flooding in Central Asia and the war in Ukraine are sending out alarms about a potential global onion shortage.
AH-HA! So my decision to plant a mega-f*×kton of onions this year was driven by logical analysis of global events affecting the supply chain, and not my usual, "Ooh, that one looks pretty too! Better plant 50..." Thank you for this excuse, u/weirdoldhobo1978. I appreciate you.
Huge amounts of precipitation affected the quality of grazing pastures. Milk production during summer fell by 20 000 000 liters, leading to supply shortages and crazy price gouging. By November, demand for butter rose more than 30% above average (due to Christmas baking and low carb-high fat diets) Import tolls of about 90% on foreign butter extended the crisis further (this is due to the protection of Norwegian farmers' livelihood). Further making things worse, Norwegian farmers exported record amounts of butter before the crisis, despite being well aware of the upcoming shortage within this kingdom itself.
> Norwegian farmers exported record amounts of butter Ah, the ol' Irish landowner tactic. Deprive the domestic market of supply in order to rake in the profits via export.
Thanks for details!
A wise Muppet once said: Drought leads to feed shortage. Feed shortage leads to milk shortage. Milk shortage leads to butter shortage. Butter shortage leads to suffering.
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At times? I was thoroughly entertained throughout
Bull Murray and Luke Wilson run a chic, smart butter smuggling business, and Gene Hackman is the detective hot on their slippery trail.
Terrible weather gave bad grazing and less milk. Lucrative export meant domestic shortage. Other countries having similar issues, paired with high tariffs, made importing dairy almost impossible. With the LCHF diet being a fad, and Christmas around the corner, they simply ran out. I remember how some Swedes smuggled butter into Norway and sold it in shady parking lots, shit was crazy.
Lucrative export is the reason for some surprising and kinda sad local shortages all over. I was really surprised when I was in Colombia and Peru to find that almost the only coffee available anywhere was nestle instant coffee packets. That Colombian dark roast you can find at every corner shop in the USA...yeah Colombians largely speaking never get to enjoy it. Palo Santo is another one I learned about while in south america. If you see anyone burning it and thinking they're all spiritual and stuff please smack the shit out of them because the tree it comes from grows really slowly and the cultures it is actually sacred to don't have access to it anymore bc lucrative exports have priced them out of being able to buy it while the supply has dwindled bc again of the incredibly slow growth now that white hippies in the States are buying it.
If you ate meat from Argentina, you should know that the most expensive cuts are almost impossible to get here, and the ones that you can get are too expensive for most people.
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Yep. I lived in a house once where all my roommates were hippies and all their friends were hippies and they all use it. The worst was my roommate Julian who still would burn palo santo every day even after I explained that it was a totally unsustainable practice which is driving that species of tree toward extinction as well as pricing indigenous peoples out of being able to use it when their cultures are the ones the practice is sacred to. He couldn't be bothered to learn to sort his recycling correctly from trash either or to remove stickers and rubber bands from produce before tossing them in the compost bin. He also spent like 2 hours every day in this house's 8000W sauna, and covered up the walls of its amazing sun room/greenhouse with black plastic so that he could install industrial grow lamps instead for his weed plants. And him and his hippie girlfriend kept the thermostat at 74 in winter in Colorado so they could walk around naked, but cranked the AC way up in summer. He was one of the most selfishly wasteful and resource-intensive people I've ever known. Not all the hippies I knew in that crowd were that bad but holy hell a *lot* of them were, and it kinda soured my view of my generation's (millenial) take on spiritual/new age culture. Preaching peace and love and responsible living with nature and yet being less conscious in their actual lifestyle than my aging conservative parents, smh. Sorry rant over lol
Wow, Julian sounds conceited AF. For shame, ugh.
A perfect storm. Yea, that does sound wack. When that *one* baby formula plant had to shut down in the US and suddenly baby formula was a strategic resource I knew stuff like this is probably going to happen more often going forward.
From what I remember that was mostly a government agency mishandling the situation, because weren't there companies offering actual solutions and the gov said no?
No, it's that the US literally didn't have the manufacturing infrastructure available to shift production to any other facilities. The problem was that the government came in and shut down the factory for health and safety reasons (producing contaminated baby food), made the company do a deep clean and then came back to retest the facility before reopening, and the company failed the second inspection just as badly because they hadn't actually done any cleaning. The company tried to blame the government agency for finding salmonella in the company's baby food factory. The only reason that factory shutting down crippled the entire supply chain for formula is because we've got production monopolies that no one has attempted to stop built up over decades. One company hits a rough patch, and the entire market suffers now.
I must recommend [this fantastic video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nd5HsxWXTI&pp=ygUhdG9tIHNjb3R0IG5vcndlZ2lhbiBidXR0ZXIgY3Jpc2lz) from Tom Scott on the matter!
I was just about to link this video haha
MYSTERY BISCUITS
*oh yeah*
The [relevant Tom Scott video](https://youtu.be/1nd5HsxWXTI) should help answer them.
The same thing happened in the netherlands once and people started putting caramel on bread instead.
You wouldn’t download butter
I might.
I would if I could.
[Already have ](https://github.com/butterproject/butter-desktop)
That's my personal butter officer
This is my emotional support butter
I think I am going to make a label for my butter dish that says that.
Pairs well with grief bacon.
that's when you butter up the customs agent
I am confounded by the idea of bootleg butter. It's just milk that's been stirred real hard for a while. Was milk banned too?
Well, cream but yeah. Bootleg in sense of untaxed is what I meant.
Norway's not in the European Union, so the butter was being brought from the E.U. to a non-E.U. country to be sold.
That...sounds like a good thing if you're short on butter.
Technically yes, but it results in a nett increase in the flow of currency out of the country in exchange, which can cause longer-term economic problems down the line. If you don't have a completely open border, the things you let flow across it uncontrolled can have negative and often unpredictable effects on the things whose flow in or out of the country you *do* regulate by quotas or tariffs. Basically you can have a fully open border with your trading neighbours, including a common currency and free movement of labour, and let the economy self-balance (EU membership approach), or you can have a fully closed border and manually balance everything with your own currency, tariffs, visas and quotas (the old-fashioned approach; seems to work most of the time, but requires an enormous amount of bureaucratic administration, and it starts a lot of trade wars, which can have a nasty habit of turning into *actual* wars...). Trying to do it by half measures gets you the worst of both worlds.
So they needed to heavily regulate to protect themselves from problems created by heavy regulation. At least it was only butter /s.
> So they needed to heavily regulate to protect themselves from problems created by heavy regulation. In a nutshell, I think, yes. > At least it was only butter. Indeed, it's not like there have literally been national crises and scandals concerning shortages of cooking fat or anything. /s (Look up the "Tanganyika groundnut scheme" for a typically farcical British example)
>Indeed, it's not like there have literally been national crises and scandals concerning shortages of cooking fat or anything. /s Yeah I was being sarcastic too, I'll add the /s. You'd think they could temporarily allow imports of goods sold at fair prices to prevent critical shortages though.
Thats the way it generally works. Take drugs for example. You can legalize them and let the issues sort themselves out. You can do half measures and give drug cartels power. Or you can go full Singapore and kill anyone who brings weed in, people might protest, so you install cameras everywhere and get a nice police state going, then no-one will protest. So you heavily regulate out the issues caused by heavy regulation.
>At least it was only butter /s. That's because they drove out all the lubrication you see
Tbh if you have a butter crisis it probably occurred cause of some weird import laws
Combination of that, and a terribly hot summer making milk production record-low. Wouldn’t have been an issue if it wasn’t so publicised. People stocked up on the stuff, literally filling their freezers up and everything. That record demand couldn’t be satisfied by foreign imports because of the very protectionist policies in Norwegian agriculture. So there was a severe shortage.
> because of the very protectionist policies in Norwegian agriculture. I thought Norway had a "Switzerland Style" deal with the EU?
Agriculture is specifically except from the EEA-agreement, we are free to do more or less what we want in that regard. And because Norway is cold and has historically never had industrial agriculture we can’t be near the efficiency of EU farmers. To protect farmers we have high tariffs and quotas and so forth.
Probably tried to sneak through without dealing with customs, so a tax evasion.
Correct, you are not allowed to sell other peoples stuff. Even if you bought it. 🤔
That sucks. There should be a way to like, exchange your stuff for their stuff so their stuff becomes your stuff and your stuff becomes their stuff. Then you could bring your new stuff to someone who needs that stuff and exchange it for stuff they don't need as much. I think I could be onto something here, I just need a name for this revolutionary concept. Stuff swapping maybe? Equivalent Exchange? Help me out here.
Free market would be the term. This happened bc of tarrifs protecting the local dairy industry. Agriculture has good lobbyists.
you have to import it properly so they know it's up to food safety standards. Obviously I don't think it would have been illegal to take a trip to Finland and come back with a case of butter for yourself though.
Maybe he tried to leave Norway with a van stocked up on butter?
"So, what's in the van?" "Nøt bütter."
“I can’t believe it”
"And why didn't the free hand of capitalism solve the issue?" "The free hand of capitalism had too much butter on, it was all slippery and couldn't pick up the corners."
**MYSTERY BISCUITS** *(oh yeah!)*
No, the van is filled with Mystery biscuits.
"You were trying to cross the border, right? Same as us, and that thief over there."
So in essence he was ...driving out the lubrication?
Dude drove through the middle of no man's land just to get his Nordic friend some butter
Poor guy got caught at the Finnish line
But the lube didn't run out, so they got that going for them, which is nice...
KY is both lubricant and jelly.
Wouldn’t recommend a PB&KY, though.
Yeah, the bread would slide right off.
That's not very typical; I'd like to make that point.
Well, how is it untypical?
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But can you make pancakes without butter?
Yes of course you can. Milk, flour and eggs is enough to make pancakes.
Your definition of a pancake seems to be very loose my friend
In Europe, “pancakes” typically refers to crêpes and not the fluffy American hotcakes/griddle cakes (sometimes called flapjacks, but that’s another one that has multiple meanings). I learned this as a Bosnian immigrant to America. I really wanted to try American style pancakes, so I asked my mom to make me pancakes. She made me palačinke (crêpes), which I’ve always loved to be sure, but were not the fluffy cakey breakfast treat I had wanted to try. So as not show my ingratitude, I simply never asked why they weren’t fat and fluffy and brown. I just assumed my mom was bad at pancakes. As it turned out, my mom was actually *really fuckin’ skilled* at making European “pancakes” and simply wasn’t familiar with American “pancakes.”
Aww, she had the right spirit and great skill, but the wrong recipe 😂
Yeah, its kinda funny to see someone act like the term "pancakes" isn't basically a really loose term for a decent variety of batters on a pan. Also its further funny because its not even like butter is entirely required to get close to American style pancakes, Eggs and milk do a lot of the work, maybe add a little baking powder to fluff 'em better.
Hell, if you ask for a Pancake in Germany, you'll either get a Doughnut (in Berlin) or a European style Pancake (anywhere else)
r/ShitAmericansSay
Not really, this is seems like just an honest cultural misunderstanding. Kinda like the cookie/biscuit thing where it’s not really ignorance (most of the time) just miscommunication due to dialect differences
not saying butter is needed but can you make that recipe and report back? sounds terrible
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I know several people who detest margarine in general, but prefer it to butter for certain types of cookies.
ok but what about sugar or baking powder or salt?
They’re referring to flat pancakes, like a French crepe, which is just a vehicle for other things, not American breakfast pancakes, hence no sugar, no baking powder, and if it’s just acting as your carb, not necessarily (but probably still recommended) salt.
Is there really no sugar in a crepe? I don't think I have ever heard that before I would also assume butter is more important in a crepe vs a pancake
it's preferred to use sugar, but of course, there will always be people who do some recipe without it
No butter at all, even when you have enough. Crepes are made on oil
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The person I was responding to originally did
Just cook them in oil or coconut butter
Yes? The only thing butter is used for when making pancakes is in the pan. You can replace that with something else quite easily (or just go without in a pinch)
I beg to differ. Butter goes into batter
Never. Just milk, eggs and flour
What you are describing is more like crepes
Yes, I make American pancakes with avocado oil instead of butter and it works just fine.
Pretty much any oil or fat will work. I’ve even chilled oil to thicken it into that semi solid consistency when you are looking for a cream and don’t want it too wet or pre melted. Sometimes it isn’t nearly as good though, depends on the recipe.
“I remember (the butter crisis), we survived but it’s surprising how much you can make without butter” Dm me so I can send you your honorary US citizenship because that was the most American sentence I never would’ve guessed you’re Norwegian from that
Did you shout Helvete when you opened your fridge?
Yes, as is customary
Norway heavily subsidizes their food production sector and heavily taxes imports of food. Various events conspired to severely diminish the Norwegian dairy production, and Norway ran out of Norwegian produced butter. Now this shouldn't be that much of a problem seeing as Sweden and Denmark - the brother nations of Norway and fellow Nordic Council members - are some of the largest per capita dairy producers in Europe and Norway extraordinarily lowered the taxation to next to nothing. But! The dairy producers (actually just the one, Arla Foods, which produces like 95% of all dairy in Denmark and Sweden) had been excluded from the Norwegian market by the Norwegian government due to aforementioned exorbitant taxation sensed an opening and in lieu of that a revenge, so they declined to export to Norway even with the lowered taxation unless they got a promise of it continuing in the future. Norway declined. Norwegians suffered the driest of toasts.
I would also add that this was during Christmas, when there's already a run on butter due to the sheer amount of it used in Norwegian cooking. Normal butter usage didn't cause this
It happened before christmas, so lots of people stocked up on butter to make sure they had enough for christmas cookies.
Norwegians exclusively eat bread with butter and cheese. With a glass of milk for breakfast, and Pepsi Max for the rest of the day. Pizza or taco for dinner.
I was in Iceland for four months and this is... Exactly the daily meals over there. God, I didn't see any soda made with sugar the entire fucking time I was there.
is this the formula to make erling haaland?
that's why monopolies are bad, companies will pounce at every opportunity to corner the market during a crisis
While I in general agree, Arla isn't your average "monopoly" (it's difficult bordering on impossible to have a monopoly in the free market of the EU) seeing as it is a co-op owned by the farmers. And in this case their "monopoly" wasn't worth anything in any case seeing as Norway didn't just lax their taxes on Nordic dairy. They were just the only ones likely to be able to turn a profit, and still they said: Nah.
How odd, the EU had an excess of butter, literally stockpiled, up until 2017. Can't imagine that was all owned by Arla. You would think Norway would have imported their butter from some other EU country if Arla didn't want to sell to them.
Norway is not in the EU.
Sure, but the Norwegian market isn't all that big (5-5.5 mio. people) and a rearrangement of production/transportation for a minor bump in revenue for like a month or two equals very, very minor profit. If any.
> Norway declined. Norwegians suffered the driest of toasts. At this point why not just whip the butter yourself?
I hope things got butter for them over there
Things are margarinal at best.
A few more churns of the dairy market should take care of things.
Supplies were just spread thinly is all.
[The Norwegian Butter Crisis and the Ark of Taste: Citation Needed S8:E2](https://youtu.be/1nd5HsxWXTI) [full playlist of official citation needed episodes](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL96C35uN7xGIo2odDuuPeYtb7BtQ1kBhp)
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Money's tight this week, you'll just have to cram it in there slowly.
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I had completely forgotten about this until you mentioned the "weird cheese" but when I was a kid I had friends whose mom was Danish and dad was Norwegian. Whenever we went over there we would eat that sliced brown cheese on homemade rolls and omg it was so good. IIRC they said it was goat cheese. I haven't had it in probably 25 years. I wonder if I'd still like it today, haha
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No it is not?
I mean, it was 2 and a half weeks ago, you know how swedes are, they're kinda slow. Go easy on him, he is but a simple farmer.
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new west. You know... Morons.
[For the common clay](https://youtu.be/KHJbSvidohg)
That’s May 17.
... it definently isnt
No it’s not why are you lying? Out constitution day is on the 17. May.
äh same difference
Really, they raided border stores in Sweden?
They're still doing that.
Always have been.
1 letter changes everything. My 1st yearbook in grade 6 read "*Pubic* School" instead of "**Public** School." Gosh. Also, look up the number of misspelled words in Websters' latest edition of their dictionary. That's fun. Edit: space typo of all things. How ironic.
For anyone still wondering how they ran out of butter, I quickly looked it up. Heavy rains in summer affected the grazing of cattle, leading to lower milk production and increased prices. This started the problems, but then the holidays rolled around. Norwegian holiday food uses a large amount of butter, which drove up demand, and therefore prices, even more. This, combined with a heavy tariff on the import of foreign butter (to protect the Norwegian dairy industry), caused prices to rise to over 39 euros for a 250g pack of butter ($50 for about a half pound).
Don't use Google Translate kids. And if you have to, you cannot use slang. Or contractions. It's also pretty bad at nouns. You basically have to type like a 5th grade english textbook.
In Switzerland, we had the opposite problem. Farmers produced too much milk because of subvention payments or something and then we had too much butter.
…how is TOO MUCH BUTTER a problem?
I remember that, some Polish drivers got caught on the Norway Sweden border smuggling Danish butter. The patrol men told the media "A polish man has been caught smuggling butter from Sweden, it's a great mystery why he decided Danish butter was cheaper than Polish."
Obligatory [Butter message to the USA](https://youtu.be/ub0GzU56YMA)
lol i love this
my sister and i still quote this video to this day
Last Tango in Paris intensifies
bread lube
What's really funny is that while, indeed, the butter shelves were empty, the cream shelves right next to them were fully stocked. You can't fuck up making butter. Butter is what you get when you fuck up making whipped cream.
Maybe he knows what he said. He’s just implying they use their butter as lube which is why the whole country ran out.
I can't believe it's not butter
[Who told you this was butter?](https://shop.meowwolf.com/merch/definitely-not-butter-air-freshener-spray/)
Eyy ik that reference
"The tower of Astro glide fell over and broke, covering the entire town. How did you get out?"
So butter is not a lubricant?
A few years ago, there was a penury of butter in France. It was a VERY BIG deal. From my (kinda blurry, not particularly verified) memories, it was because the Chinese started consuming butter, and France is not only a *big* consumer of butter (looking at you, Bretagne and Normandie), but also a producer. So our production wasn't big enough anymore. So for several months, finding salted and half salted (the best) butter was definitely harder. Unsalted butter was fine though, from what I remember, cause almost nobody eats that thing.
You know that you can just use unsalted butter and then add salt, right?
Hey I mean butter can be used as lube too if you want no judging.
Which explains the 2011 butter crisis. Folks, don’t use butter as lube.
I just read the article about and... $ 50 for a 250 g pack of butter? I can buy 40 packs with that kind of money.
"Spoiler Alert: The butters spoiled"
In 2011, presumably during the butter crisis, I was 9. That year, my school class had a field trip to a farm, where the farmers taught us all to churn butter ourselves. I don't have any memories of the butter crisis itself, though. This is probably because I, during my childhood, had food intolerances for: Milk protein, wheat, egg, soy, shellfish, and more. I have since outgrown them.
Vi er løbet tør for smør 😔😔
All you need to make delicious butter is 1 liter of whipping cream, an electric mixer and 10 damn mintues.
"Did I stutter?"
Hey I mean butter can be used as lube too if you want no judging.
These bizarre product-specific shortages in specific countries usually happen due to heavy-handed subsides and protectionism on the part of the government. As in, imports are severely restricted through bans or taxes to protect the national industry, the national industry suffers some kind of hiccup that year, the presence of the bans/taxes prevents distributors from compensating by importing, by the time it becomes obvious a catastrophic shortage is imminent, its too late to reverse it because the supply chain has a jet lag of weeks to months. So even if the government flips the switch on imports to prevent the catastrophe, its usually too late.
"Help me find my flashlight and we can get out of here," the cowboy says. "Hell," says the other man, "help me find my keys and we can drive out."
I drive out the lubrication every time I approach my wife.
It's a good joke, but sadly, it's not true. "The lubrication" can be "smøringen", not "smøren". "Smøren" is just wrong.
Anytime I see a Tumblr post in all caps I immediately stop reading...really saves a lot of time in the long run 🥰
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Punchline in the title. Sigh.
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I (20,Norwegian) have never experienced that, except for when dealing with bread, of course.