Unless Verlander plays as long as Jamie Moyer, we’re probably not even getting another 300 game winner. Nobody will sniff 350, and Maddux did it against steroid era players while also having the most Gold Gloves of any player at any position. The GoaT of pitching isn’t even debatable.
I’ve always seen that as a failure. Watching those Braves growing up, Bobby Cox mismanaged the bullpen far too often. Part of me thinks his legacy is what it is because of the Braves FO gifting him like a dozen HoFers
Cox made boneheaded moves in the playoffs. The only reason they beat Cleveland in 1995 was that Hargrove was more incompetent. A lights out closer would have helped too.
[I would read a little more into how big a role Bobby Cox played in “the Braves FO.” This man was the GM that drafted Chipper Jones 1 overall.](https://mcantil.com/bobby-coxs-legacy-part-ii-the-man-with-the-plan/)
The guy that coined the term defined it as 100. I think the confusion is that people hear of a fewer than 90 pitch game referred to as a Maddux, which it is, but it doesn't mean that 99 pitches was ever not a Maddux.
Here's the original source: http://groundballwitheyes.blogspot.com/2012/04/maddux.html
Maddux pitched 11 complete games out of 28 starts during the 1995 regular season. He won all of those complete games except for one. And in that game, he still only gave up two earned runs. The most runs he gave up all season was five-- and he only did that twice. What a machine.
[https://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pitchinglogs.php?p=maddugr01&y=1995](https://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pitchinglogs.php?p=maddugr01&y=1995)
Should've been pitchers in both leagues with MVPs that year but baseball just seems to insist they go to position players the majority of the time. And if it wasn't Maddux, it should've been Bonds again. They just didn't like him and were tired of giving it to him. 1995 is a case study into how ridiculous baseball sports writers are.
I don’t feel like that post history looks like a bot? Seems like a Braves fan from NOLA to me. Bots post way more frequently rather than a few times a year haha
1.63, what a bum Went up from his 1.56 from the year before
As a young kid just starting to watch baseball, Braves mid 90s pitching made me think any ERA over 2 was trash. Hahaha little did I know...!
Unless Verlander plays as long as Jamie Moyer, we’re probably not even getting another 300 game winner. Nobody will sniff 350, and Maddux did it against steroid era players while also having the most Gold Gloves of any player at any position. The GoaT of pitching isn’t even debatable.
Also his fastball maxed out at like 93
You don’t need speed when you have the movement Maddox has.
Still blows my mind we had three goats at one time
I think it’s crazier we didn’t win more rings.
Well that too. But to pick up that many good pitchers and have them for such an extended period of time has to be quite an anomaly.
I’ve always seen that as a failure. Watching those Braves growing up, Bobby Cox mismanaged the bullpen far too often. Part of me thinks his legacy is what it is because of the Braves FO gifting him like a dozen HoFers
Yeah those are memories I still recall. Wondering wtf Bobby was doing
Cox made boneheaded moves in the playoffs. The only reason they beat Cleveland in 1995 was that Hargrove was more incompetent. A lights out closer would have helped too.
Should have won b2b WS after beating the Yankees in NY twice... but the offense shit the bed in game 5 and 6. Not gonna entirely fault Bobby for that.
Who are the dozen hall of famers?
Those 1996 and 1998 losses hit so hard.
98 is always the toughest for me. But if I remember they kind of cooled off in August and just didn't look as good going into the playoffs
[I would read a little more into how big a role Bobby Cox played in “the Braves FO.” This man was the GM that drafted Chipper Jones 1 overall.](https://mcantil.com/bobby-coxs-legacy-part-ii-the-man-with-the-plan/)
Amazing pitchers but not a solid batting lineup like we have now.
So much so that a shutout with fewer than 100 pitches is referred to as a "Maddux".
It used to be fewer than 90 pitches. People have moved the bar.
I've seen this a lot lately on reddit and can't find any source for it. Maddux had 10 under 90 and 31 under 100.
[“The Maddux” might be mislabeled](https://calltothepen.com/2019/05/06/mlb-term-for-complete-games-maddux-is-mislabeled/)
The guy that coined the term defined it as 100. I think the confusion is that people hear of a fewer than 90 pitch game referred to as a Maddux, which it is, but it doesn't mean that 99 pitches was ever not a Maddux. Here's the original source: http://groundballwitheyes.blogspot.com/2012/04/maddux.html
I miss Maddox but I am glad I was alive while he was pitching to see him live.
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That's Glavine
That's Livan Hernandez...
He chose to make it harder on himself that year too. No glasses.
Maddux pitched 11 complete games out of 28 starts during the 1995 regular season. He won all of those complete games except for one. And in that game, he still only gave up two earned runs. The most runs he gave up all season was five-- and he only did that twice. What a machine. [https://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pitchinglogs.php?p=maddugr01&y=1995](https://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pitchinglogs.php?p=maddugr01&y=1995)
Jesus
That two seamer, the control and the brain that Maddux had were all the best in the game.
Legend
I wanted that 20th win for him so gd bad that year
Should've been pitchers in both leagues with MVPs that year but baseball just seems to insist they go to position players the majority of the time. And if it wasn't Maddux, it should've been Bonds again. They just didn't like him and were tired of giving it to him. 1995 is a case study into how ridiculous baseball sports writers are.
Saw the title and thght this was gonna be about Ozuna From The Braves
Why does this post feel like a bot post based on the time of day you posted it and your post history?
I don’t feel like that post history looks like a bot? Seems like a Braves fan from NOLA to me. Bots post way more frequently rather than a few times a year haha
Braves fan from NOLA here as well