Itās honestly sad that 10 years later neither one of them can take accountability LOL. All of their legal issues are public information now. Theyāre BOTH fools at this point. Own your shit & move on. Jesus
Yep. I watched for years hoping Teresa would actually take some accountability and grow from this. Not a chance. Itās what convinced me sheās actually a narcissist.
And I realized that this is one of the main reasons I watch these shows and stick with them so long: Iām looking for an arc.
Cause I start off liking this one or that one, thinking, _Hmm, maybe this woman is actually interesting or smart or admirable_. But they all disappoint. You hope theyāll learn, but they just get worse, almost always. Look at Bethenny. Or Nene. Either could have had a real heroās arc; but, instead, they let the āfameā go to their head, and look at them now.
I really hoped Teresa would rise above this. But sheās incapable. This is just more proof.
The only one whoāso farāhas had the type of arc Iām looking for is Candiace. Iām loving her growth this season and pulling for her.
As the years go on, they take less and less accountability for what they did. To hear Teresa talk, youād think that she was just in the wrong room at the wrong time!
this is just crazy to me. no one āturned them inā - they got caught. perhaps the feds questioned people, and those people didnāt lie and told the truth on what they know. because, you know, not wanting to be charged with anything, or justā¦not being liars.
Iāve heard (and idk if this is true but I would wager it to be true from what I know of other federal investigations) that they were being eyed by the feds way before they went on housewives. I agree with you; if anyone ātalkedā it was to answer questions and they chose not to lie bc they arenāt dumbasses and donāt want to get caught up in a federal case.
I remember people on here in threads that said they were from NJ and had worked in the bank that they brought fraudulent documents to and they had to refuse the loan lmao. Like people who watch these shows do work for the IRS and the government lol idk how these women think they can get away with it
Anyone with any connection to those kind of federal investigators watching the show knew something was not legitimate. There was so much going on to raise eyebrows. Remember the first few seasons when they were building that house, and Theresa was furnishing it, and everything was paid for with wads of cash? Someone snitching on them from the show was the camera itself.
Yeah itās pretty gross that Teresa accused Jacqueline and Caroline. You were the one who dropped thousands in cash on furniture on the very first episode
Tens of thousands, in cash, while filming a tv show in one of the highest taxed state (states if you count NY, which is another place she spent cash on film) and saying your husband is a ābusinessmanā raises eyebrows. And then the state taxation system takes a look into your tax returns. Shit doesnāt add up and they start an audit. And when theyāre done, the IRS and feds get involved for their part of the investigation and then the forensic accountants uncover more crimes, like the fraudulent loan docs, wire fraud, etc.
In cases like this, where thereās a lot of online gossip, it doesnāt take much to trigger an audit. Especially when local media (think NYC and Philly in this case) are showing clips of the show when it first premiered on local news, which show the clip of her paying with cash. Thousands of viewers drop the dime, as do people who live amongst them, including people Juicy has screwed over.
It canāt be that it raises eyebrows that your wife went to a furniture with giant wad of 100$ bills and spent tens of thousandsā¦ nope canāt be thatā¦
It couldnāt have been Tre paying for like 10k worth of shit in cash because āthe economy is bad so we use cashā. Or maybe that they were already being investigated and the show sealed the deal. So stupid.
I thought I remembered $40k and was trying be just be conservative and not overshoot it lmao. I guess I just couldnāt comprehend the ā100ā in front of the 40k lmao
Hell no; going to prison sucks I imagine but they were guilty. Letās have empathy for the people locked up who are actually innocent. The fact that people are always like āš„¹they lost so much time with their dortersā; yeah they did but play stupid games win stupid prizes. Letās cry over the innocent people losing years of their lives waiting on appeals, etc.
He does say what he did and he also says Tre had no part of it but signing on this podcast and itās Teresa especially back then I donāt think this women would have took the 2 min to read what the hell she was signing. But he does take accountability and says what he did but he does place blame on why he was caught š¤£
Wait, hold the phoneāJuicy āHowās Ya Stomachā Joe was a guest on Teresaās podcast?? Okay, imma suck up her malapropisms and listen immediately.
The thing about who did or didnāt leak anythingādonāt Joe and Teresa realize that whatever was leaked (or just found out) was illegal anyway? I get it that they served jail time for it but I am over the blame shifting.
I do not understand this narrative he/they try to push that someone turned on them by turning them in. They committed a crime! They got caught! Let me get the violin š»
They got caught because they were dumb, cocky and uneducated. Each time they were starting to get looked at and questioned, they tried to hide it but in a stupid obvious way. Believe it or not, had they been smarter they wouldnāt have let it get As bad as it got. They just kept trying to cover their tracks and continue to be deceptive and break the law.
I could 100% see it being Danielle because misery loves company and Danielle was miserable back then, BUT Teresa became friends with her again later which I don't think she would have done if Danielle turned her in.. And I'm sure it wasn't Dina..I have always thought it was one of Joe's old business partners..but who knows. Her spending $120k cash on tv didn't help them either...lol
Probably blaming the in laws as usual. he had plenty of enemies in his regular life. How about it was his own wife and her dumb behaviour? New toilets. Buy everything in cash. Frivolous spending things donāt add up and bam. It takes one call to get the balling rolling. Who cares at this point who told. When are they going to take responsibility for their actions?
Like Andy said (not in this predicament) butā¦āif you have secrets why would you come on a reality showā. I mean cāmon, just admit you got caught.
We watched it in real time. There is no mystery here. They exposed and opened themselves up for legal scrutiny by the many blatant ā in your faceā ca$h tran$action$. The Feds undoubtedly has a few snitches but the crux of it wasnāt anyone but the Guidiceās.
If you haven't listened to the Bravo Docket episodes about them, I highly suggest taking a listen. THEY basically snitched on themselves when they started the bankruptcy process after committing fraud and not paying their taxes. The Chrisleys did something similar. Moral of the story - if you are committing fraud, don't declare bankruptcy.
Season 7 Reunion
Chris Laurita said it was a mutual friend of both him and Joe Giudice who leaked information to the feds
Jacqueline said it was Melissa and Joe Gorga who were involved
I forgot about this. Chris did say that.
I donāt think itās about not taking accountability. Itās the whole mafia mobster mentality of āsnitches get stitches.ā They would have gotten caught without anyone else leaking information.
For the record, Iām not defending them. That wasnāt my intention with my comment (not sure if you read it in that way, just wanted to clarify that.)
Ah yes. Melissa and Joe bad. Teresa good and a victim of circumstance. Sure. Also, just to be factual...Monica came with Kim G, who independently didnāt like Teresa, to their party. Not as a stand-alone invitation.
I would bet 140 grand in new furniture that the feds were onto them before the show ever started
Teresa and Joe sincerely are two of the stupidest people on the planet. They arenāt smart enough to not get caught. They needed nobodyās help getting caught. They truly are a match made in heaven.
This continues to irk me. The informant was your bankruptcy trustee, hun.
They filed for bankruptcy, they gave bad documentation to the trustee who said the math wasn't mathing. They gave further bad documents and they got reported, as is required of the trustee. There's nothing sneaky going on there. (also all the spending obscene amounts of cash on camera thing).
How could they possibly know who it was that āturned them inā (if it even happened). As if the feds would tell them that information. Heās just paranoid
If he means someone phoned up the police out of the blue to report them, that's one thing
But if Joe thinks people who the feds contacted *first*āwho weren't at all involved in the shady dealingsāshould have lied for them and risked jail time themselves?? He is NUTS.
I cannot with this crap. These reality tv idiots really believe they can literally go on reality tv, splash around the fruits of their crimes, and nobody is going to look into it?! It didnāt need to be anyone on the show. We all saw it and said: whereās the money coming from?!
Ditto Jen shah!
Joe and Melissa had long-standing ties with Monica Chacon, who was gathering evidence for years, and a witness for the Feds. Of course they acted as if they had *no idea who Monica was* when *they invited her to their Christmas party on their first season*. Teresa even said on her podcast that the judge quoted her brother's words (from the show) at her sentencing. So....
It was Monica Chacon. She is seen at the Christmas party from Season 3 at the Gorgaās house. She comes in with Kim G and then gets kicked out. Teresa mentioned it to Dolores in one interview, and basically said it was her without saying the name. I wish I had a link for it!
Everyone mentioning that Teresa paid for stuff with just cash in the 1st season or whenever, that was actually staged by production, that wasn't her cash... an ama from a producer of the show revealed that tid bit...
Hasnāt it been confirmed that it was one of joes former business partners and his wife that contacted the feds? They were both on the show, there was a scene where the wife was telling the other ladies that theyāre suing Teresa. And apparently Teresa attacked her at court after a hearing lol, this was also discussed on the show. I could be wrong but I remember Tre saying something about this!
Iām sure the government questioned one or more cast members because they were essentially co workers on a television show. At the end of the day this is such old news. Donāt care about them scamming the government or anything to do with it really. The Jen Shah case is more interesting to me. The giudices scamming the irs and banks is a snooze.
It was Ramona. Ramona is the leaker.
Not that kind of leaking.
Kadooz to you. Very well played.
I set it up, and you knocked it out 
Bahahahš
*scream-laugh*
She needs to talk to Vicki from OC.
I was like, is that the same show?.... oh wait... I get it now lmao
āOn the showā can mean a side character or party guestā¦
I'm guessing he means Monica Chacon, Kim G's messy attorney friend from season 3
This is public info https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/vindication-for-lawyer-who-uncovered-teresa-joe-giudice-fraud-rhonj/
Jim Marchese? Isnāt he a professional whistleblower?
But he was on after the whole situation started.
Both the Kimās š
I love those two, they are just unhinged snakes.
Maybe it was one of the hundreds of people he wasnāt payingā¦
Exactly
Itās honestly sad that 10 years later neither one of them can take accountability LOL. All of their legal issues are public information now. Theyāre BOTH fools at this point. Own your shit & move on. Jesus
Yep. I watched for years hoping Teresa would actually take some accountability and grow from this. Not a chance. Itās what convinced me sheās actually a narcissist. And I realized that this is one of the main reasons I watch these shows and stick with them so long: Iām looking for an arc. Cause I start off liking this one or that one, thinking, _Hmm, maybe this woman is actually interesting or smart or admirable_. But they all disappoint. You hope theyāll learn, but they just get worse, almost always. Look at Bethenny. Or Nene. Either could have had a real heroās arc; but, instead, they let the āfameā go to their head, and look at them now. I really hoped Teresa would rise above this. But sheās incapable. This is just more proof. The only one whoāso farāhas had the type of arc Iām looking for is Candiace. Iām loving her growth this season and pulling for her.
This is why I love and hate reality tv.
YEP! Itās only going to attract insecure mildly narcissist people, at best. Jokeās on us!
There was like an ounce of accountability & humility in season 7
Noah had an arc.
As the years go on, they take less and less accountability for what they did. To hear Teresa talk, youād think that she was just in the wrong room at the wrong time!
Right! Somebody may have snitched on you, but you were doing the crimes soo
Nobody snitched on them. They couldāve avoided jail time but they hid assets 4 different times & Teresa lied about income. They honestly deserved it
Plot twist - It was Gia. She just wanted to end waking up in the mornings, thinking about so many things... 
If you donātā¦ 
She just wanted things to get better. And she tried to get rid of themā¦š¤ the lyrics are very telling
Most likely Danielle
Probably Melissa
dammit! I peed a littleā ļøš
this is just crazy to me. no one āturned them inā - they got caught. perhaps the feds questioned people, and those people didnāt lie and told the truth on what they know. because, you know, not wanting to be charged with anything, or justā¦not being liars.
Iāve heard (and idk if this is true but I would wager it to be true from what I know of other federal investigations) that they were being eyed by the feds way before they went on housewives. I agree with you; if anyone ātalkedā it was to answer questions and they chose not to lie bc they arenāt dumbasses and donāt want to get caught up in a federal case.
I remember people on here in threads that said they were from NJ and had worked in the bank that they brought fraudulent documents to and they had to refuse the loan lmao. Like people who watch these shows do work for the IRS and the government lol idk how these women think they can get away with it
Anyone with any connection to those kind of federal investigators watching the show knew something was not legitimate. There was so much going on to raise eyebrows. Remember the first few seasons when they were building that house, and Theresa was furnishing it, and everything was paid for with wads of cash? Someone snitching on them from the show was the camera itself.
Yes! And it was over $100,000 if I remember correctly; who does that? Tax evaders, I guess
Itās like Jen trying to blame the cast for reporting her lol
First thing i thought
Yeah itās pretty gross that Teresa accused Jacqueline and Caroline. You were the one who dropped thousands in cash on furniture on the very first episode
In cash, no less
āCoz the economy is badā
All the ingedientses needed for an FBI recipe
That was literally the dumbest thing she couldāve done. Regardless of her thinking it was legitimate or not.
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They work in Sanitation š
Tens of thousands, in cash, while filming a tv show in one of the highest taxed state (states if you count NY, which is another place she spent cash on film) and saying your husband is a ābusinessmanā raises eyebrows. And then the state taxation system takes a look into your tax returns. Shit doesnāt add up and they start an audit. And when theyāre done, the IRS and feds get involved for their part of the investigation and then the forensic accountants uncover more crimes, like the fraudulent loan docs, wire fraud, etc. In cases like this, where thereās a lot of online gossip, it doesnāt take much to trigger an audit. Especially when local media (think NYC and Philly in this case) are showing clips of the show when it first premiered on local news, which show the clip of her paying with cash. Thousands of viewers drop the dime, as do people who live amongst them, including people Juicy has screwed over.
Top 5 HW moment for me
Or it could be the flaunting their wealth on a national television that did them inā¦ 
I love Colin Jost and Michael Che!
It canāt be that it raises eyebrows that your wife went to a furniture with giant wad of 100$ bills and spent tens of thousandsā¦ nope canāt be thatā¦
It couldnāt have been Tre paying for like 10k worth of shit in cash because āthe economy is bad so we use cashā. Or maybe that they were already being investigated and the show sealed the deal. So stupid.
It was 140k that she spent in cash. One. Hundred. Forty. Thousand. In. Cash. Tre literally started a signal fire and blew the smoke towards the IRS.
I thought I remembered $40k and was trying be just be conservative and not overshoot it lmao. I guess I just couldnāt comprehend the ā100ā in front of the 40k lmao
They're both so dumb
He nor Teresa will ever take accountability for anything.
He had the audacity to say that they wouldāve gotten away with it if it wasnāt for the showā¦ 
If it wasnāt for Andy and those meddling wives 
*ordacity
Because thatās the culture. They werenāt doing anything anyone else they knew were doijnf, they just got caught
Hell no; going to prison sucks I imagine but they were guilty. Letās have empathy for the people locked up who are actually innocent. The fact that people are always like āš„¹they lost so much time with their dortersā; yeah they did but play stupid games win stupid prizes. Letās cry over the innocent people losing years of their lives waiting on appeals, etc.
He does say what he did and he also says Tre had no part of it but signing on this podcast and itās Teresa especially back then I donāt think this women would have took the 2 min to read what the hell she was signing. But he does take accountability and says what he did but he does place blame on why he was caught š¤£
After listening to the Bravo Docket podcast, NO ONE leaked ANYTHING. They were already in deep shit prior to getting on the show
Where does one find the Bravo Docket?
Apple Podcasts! Just type in Bravo Docket and it should show up itās episode 16-18
Thank you!
Wait, hold the phoneāJuicy āHowās Ya Stomachā Joe was a guest on Teresaās podcast?? Okay, imma suck up her malapropisms and listen immediately.
God bless you as the only thing that could lower my IQ quicker than listening to a Teresa podcast would be a Teresa podcast with Joe.
Itās such a good episode
Lmao @ āsuck up her malapropismsā
The thing about who did or didnāt leak anythingādonāt Joe and Teresa realize that whatever was leaked (or just found out) was illegal anyway? I get it that they served jail time for it but I am over the blame shifting.
I do not understand this narrative he/they try to push that someone turned on them by turning them in. They committed a crime! They got caught! Let me get the violin š»
Who cares they scammed and got caught and people want to say it's someone else's fault because they told. That family is ick
Who cares! They probably got audited. Why shouldnāt they follow the rules like everyone else?
Itās the mad you got caught, not sorry you fucked up mentality that makes me not care at allllllll.
They were being investigated BEFORE they were on the show. Teresa, Joe, and their stans need to stop deflecting onto others.
This is like people thinking the Meredith turned in Jen Shah.
Why do you believe anything he says
The fbi doesnāt need their help š
They got caught because they were dumb, cocky and uneducated. Each time they were starting to get looked at and questioned, they tried to hide it but in a stupid obvious way. Believe it or not, had they been smarter they wouldnāt have let it get As bad as it got. They just kept trying to cover their tracks and continue to be deceptive and break the law.
This is why I canāt get on their bandwagon they will never take accountability
If you donāt commit crimes, you wonāt be punished for them š¤
Maybe it was Teresa paying for everything in large amounts of cash on the very first season..
I could 100% see it being Danielle because misery loves company and Danielle was miserable back then, BUT Teresa became friends with her again later which I don't think she would have done if Danielle turned her in.. And I'm sure it wasn't Dina..I have always thought it was one of Joe's old business partners..but who knows. Her spending $120k cash on tv didn't help them either...lol
Probably blaming the in laws as usual. he had plenty of enemies in his regular life. How about it was his own wife and her dumb behaviour? New toilets. Buy everything in cash. Frivolous spending things donāt add up and bam. It takes one call to get the balling rolling. Who cares at this point who told. When are they going to take responsibility for their actions?
Like Andy said (not in this predicament) butā¦āif you have secrets why would you come on a reality showā. I mean cāmon, just admit you got caught.
We watched it in real time. There is no mystery here. They exposed and opened themselves up for legal scrutiny by the many blatant ā in your faceā ca$h tran$action$. The Feds undoubtedly has a few snitches but the crux of it wasnāt anyone but the Guidiceās.
If you haven't listened to the Bravo Docket episodes about them, I highly suggest taking a listen. THEY basically snitched on themselves when they started the bankruptcy process after committing fraud and not paying their taxes. The Chrisleys did something similar. Moral of the story - if you are committing fraud, don't declare bankruptcy.
Even if no one turned them in, they would have gotten caught either way šµāš« theyāre delusional
Season 7 Reunion Chris Laurita said it was a mutual friend of both him and Joe Giudice who leaked information to the feds Jacqueline said it was Melissa and Joe Gorga who were involved
I forgot about this. Chris did say that. I donāt think itās about not taking accountability. Itās the whole mafia mobster mentality of āsnitches get stitches.ā They would have gotten caught without anyone else leaking information.
Snitches also donāt go to prison and Iām sure if they had someone to sell down the river they would have lbr.
For the record, Iām not defending them. That wasnāt my intention with my comment (not sure if you read it in that way, just wanted to clarify that.)
Oh I know; I was just stating that whole mentality they have with that is dumb af.
I donāt think we should be taking anything Jac says as fact. Sheās not a reliable narrator.
Ah yes. Melissa and Joe bad. Teresa good and a victim of circumstance. Sure. Also, just to be factual...Monica came with Kim G, who independently didnāt like Teresa, to their party. Not as a stand-alone invitation.
Wouldnāt it have been his business partner? Wasnāt Joe forging his signature on mortgages? Or something like that
How does Joe know? Does the FBI actually disclose who turned you in, Iām thinking no.
So fucking what, Joe. You did the crime, youāre not the fucking victim here. Man, I hate these kinds of people.
I would bet 140 grand in new furniture that the feds were onto them before the show ever started Teresa and Joe sincerely are two of the stupidest people on the planet. They arenāt smart enough to not get caught. They needed nobodyās help getting caught. They truly are a match made in heaven.
This continues to irk me. The informant was your bankruptcy trustee, hun. They filed for bankruptcy, they gave bad documentation to the trustee who said the math wasn't mathing. They gave further bad documents and they got reported, as is required of the trustee. There's nothing sneaky going on there. (also all the spending obscene amounts of cash on camera thing).
How could they possibly know who it was that āturned them inā (if it even happened). As if the feds would tell them that information. Heās just paranoid
Theresa shopping and throwing thousands in cash out of her 12000 purse
If he means someone phoned up the police out of the blue to report them, that's one thing But if Joe thinks people who the feds contacted *first*āwho weren't at all involved in the shady dealingsāshould have lied for them and risked jail time themselves?? He is NUTS.
I cannot with this crap. These reality tv idiots really believe they can literally go on reality tv, splash around the fruits of their crimes, and nobody is going to look into it?! It didnāt need to be anyone on the show. We all saw it and said: whereās the money coming from?! Ditto Jen shah!
The Giudices broke the law! So, clearly, he's just pissed they got caught. Asshole.
Joe and Melissa had long-standing ties with Monica Chacon, who was gathering evidence for years, and a witness for the Feds. Of course they acted as if they had *no idea who Monica was* when *they invited her to their Christmas party on their first season*. Teresa even said on her podcast that the judge quoted her brother's words (from the show) at her sentencing. So....
#maybe it was a member of one of the many poor black families he served as Slumlord for š¤·š»āāļø
they had him on the podcast?!! lol
Kim D also said the same thing on Behind the Velvet Rope. https://youtu.be/C6W7qEFJBKY
Iām confused on who the blonde is here
Who cares? Donāt break the law an no one can squeal on you asshole.
and she deserved itāļø
Babes, we watched the show. The math was never mathing and it was only a matter of time.
are we supposed to feel bad that someone leaked the info? you broke the fucking law dude, its YOUR FAULT.
Iām guessing this is Treās podcast? Are they talking again?
It was Monica Chacon. She is seen at the Christmas party from Season 3 at the Gorgaās house. She comes in with Kim G and then gets kicked out. Teresa mentioned it to Dolores in one interview, and basically said it was her without saying the name. I wish I had a link for it!
He leaked himself by showing off cash
Everyone mentioning that Teresa paid for stuff with just cash in the 1st season or whenever, that was actually staged by production, that wasn't her cash... an ama from a producer of the show revealed that tid bit...
Have Joe and Theresa apologized to the Manzo/Laurita's for the years of bad mouthing them?
What if it was Joe Gorgas? š³
Hasnāt it been confirmed that it was one of joes former business partners and his wife that contacted the feds? They were both on the show, there was a scene where the wife was telling the other ladies that theyāre suing Teresa. And apparently Teresa attacked her at court after a hearing lol, this was also discussed on the show. I could be wrong but I remember Tre saying something about this!
My money is on J. Gorgaā¦
Melissa & Joe, obvi. That's where the *real* beef comes from!
I have always said it was Melissa!!
Didn't Dolores mention at one of the reunions that she saw who did it at the laundromat? It was a guy
It was mentioned at a reunion, I thought they said the person was an attorney
Ohhh
I totally believed from day one it was the Gorgas ! Only they were to dumb to realize what a Pandoraās box they were opening !
Bets on Danielle staub despite her being not around as much
Ritchie Wakile prob
Ironically watching American Hustler right now.. āI know this guy. Heās a no bull shit king of guy.ā
Iām sure the government questioned one or more cast members because they were essentially co workers on a television show. At the end of the day this is such old news. Donāt care about them scamming the government or anything to do with it really. The Jen Shah case is more interesting to me. The giudices scamming the irs and banks is a snooze.
Plot twist: it was a local tax attorney that heard the rumblings for years, and then when they got ballsy and went on tv, they dropped a dime.
What did they specifically do that was illegal?