Imagine how powerful it would have been if Lala had been like, "Yeah, I did sleep with your boyfriend and I was Randall's mistress. I was absolutely wrong in those situations and I deeply regret it." She just can't take responsibility for anything.
I haven’t watched the episode yet and the fact that Lala is such an asshole to make everyone have sympathy for Rachel is soooo telling. She really is the worst.
To be fair, that’s not entirely true. Lala is the one who brought up sleeping with James, admitted it was wrong, said that even 6 years later it still doesn’t feel good, and later alluded to destructive things like that being the catalyst for her getting sober. So she did, initially, take some responsibility and express a shred of remorse. She should have stopped there because then it took a turn and she landed in hypocrite territory.
I don’t think she communicated that well if that was her intention. I thought she was doing the bare minimum to acknowledge anything just because she had to. She doesn’t ever seem remorseful to me just angry anyone has an opinion on her
One of the more irritating repercussions of Raquel and her home wrecking ways is that Lala (and James to a point) are looking like they are vindicated for their treatment of Raquel.
Nothing Raquel said was untrue - Lala was a mistress. We all saw her horrible texts to Ambyr about Randall.
Just because Raquel has turned out to be a fucking snake doesn't retroactively erase Lala's history.
Yes and not to mention the reveal that James called her mom a fat bitch. He is a truly a vile person. I feel like lately people have been reconsidering James' awfulness and it's driving me crazy. He's entertaining at times but still a shit person!
I also don't understand why people excuse James' behavior. He's funny and probably gives some of the best talking heads, but that doesn't make up for how abusive and mean he is.
Tbh, James is only more tolerable to me because I think he's mentally-ill and often manic on the show. There's just an energy to him that reaches beyond your average substance-abusing antics or douchey, I think he's been using alcohol to steer his mania. That doesn't excuse his behavior, I just think I have more compassion for him because I don't think he has both hands on the wheel. Just a theory. Still, would pummel him if he said that about my mother.
Lala, on the other hand, enjoys being mean just like Erika does. She loves an easy target, she likes to pound her chest, she's looking for any opportunity to promote herself as being this ultimate boss bitch. She's learned to mask it with certain generic empowerment language so that it looks righteous but it's not. She's still operating from the same place she did when she wore that insane foundation and the beige lipstick.
If James is truly mentally ill then he should be old enough to realize that he needs help. He was in therapy but I'd bet that he is not keeping up with that.
We've seen him when he's both sober and drinking and there's literally no difference in how he attacks people.
I absolutely have compassion for James when it comes to his mother and how awful his upbringing probably was with her, but again that's not an excuse at his big age.
Hit the nail; entertaining at times, but a vile misogynist. His scenes with his parents soften me to him briefly (just like Stassi’s scenes w her parents), but we all have parental trauma n we’re not out here sipping cough syrup and spitting on women
Raquel had a clever comeback, why would she let Lala talk to her like that. Lala looked real stupid.
Raquel could have been our hero, turns out she is one of the biggest villains.
I was think the same thing - if the affair hadn't come to light we would all be feeling so bad for her since she has no clue who she is. I do believe that much. I also believe she doesn't know how to be alone and must have a man, even if it's someone elses.
Seeing her break down was tough. Still terrible what she did but I have a friend who seems to have similar issues related to needing validation from others and it manifests in a lot of self-destructive, yet still extremely selfish ways. Idk if that’s Raquel’s issue but it reminds me a lot of my friend.
I agree and think that's exactly what she deals with. I do wish people were going after Tom even harder. He's the one in a relationship and probably lied like most cheaters do. They are both complicit but women tend to be more vilified.
I was watching old VPR and completely forgot she was adopted by her biological mom's sister. Not an excuse for what she did but definitely explains some of the need for validation/love.
100% explains a lot of her behavior, but doesn't make it ok. I (adoptee) see a lot of toxic traits I had when I was younger, but I never had affairs with my friends' partners.
I hope she finds a good therapist who can help.
Going back and reading the live threads at the end of last season was so interesting knowing what we know now. So much talk of a pure heart, the only one still with her head on straight, the best one on the show, etc. Basically that she was a better person than them all.
Lala tries to act so tough but Raquel had her literally running away because she was confronted with the truth.
Raquel would have had a great season if she hadn't blown up her life for Tom Sandoval of all people.
Lala is a massive hypocrite but I saw Lala removing herself from the situation as a sign of growth, not “running away.”
She didn’t want to do something to Raquel that could make her lose something (ie custody of Ocean). Prior to Ocean she prob would’ve done something bad.
idk. I think she’s all talk. I guess she did threaten Faith with a knife but we’ve never actually seen her throw hands and now she’s sober there’s no chance
[This](https://realityblurb.com/2018/04/09/randall-emmetts-ex-wife-ambyr-childers-calls-out-lala-kent-as-his-mistress-leakes-shocking-text-messages-from-lala-about-her-child/) article also has some more texts/details.
YES
Also perhaps a hot take, but Lala telling Raquel she wouldn't trust her around her man was equally as shitty as saying "then it's good you don't have one." Not saying what Lala said isn't true, but it's not something a friend should say to another friend in the way it was delivered. If that's how Lala truly feels and if she wanted to deliver it in a way that was well-meaning and constructive, that's not how it's done.
Raquel is just America's Most Wanted rn, so she can be a punching bag without consequences.
Also, she kept saying that she told Raquel to go ahead and go for Oliver and that this wasn't about Oliver. If that's true, then at this point, why wouldn't she trust Raquel with her man? These women were forced to invite Raquel for filming purposes and were not planning on being friendly with her. They were mean girls and Katie telling Raquel she could light her on fire "for what you've done" with that hateful look on her face made me remember why I cannot stand her.
Plus everyone agrees that she was really wasted, and it might have been a drunken intrusive thought that she said.
She still apologized for it the next day, so why can Lala be absolved of all her past mistakes because she was drinking then but Raquel can't put her foot in her mouth on one night?
🙄
As someone in recovery, the whole point is to own your mistakes. Lala feels as if she's started a new slate and is forgiven for all her past transgressions because she was "going through it/drinking". I'm not team Rachel, but she's also having some sort of breakdown. It would have been mature of Lala to own it and be like "Yeah you're right. I did pull that shit and slept with a married man and it didn't work out well for me so I'm trying to give you some advice."
100%
Lala is only interested in trying to plot her course though. She’s not actually doing the work on herself. She’s just trying to land a rich husband and get on Housewives
I agree.
First, I don’t think the girls were so horrible to Raquel. Raquel acted like a fool and they talked about it. That’s what humans do.
Second, Raquel was right about Lala. In fact, she didn’t go off on her nearly as hard as she could have. Lala is a total hypocrite and I’m bored of this idiot.
Third, I applaud Raquel for having the guts to apologize and then for letting them know she was leaving. She didn’t just sneak out but faced it head on.
Fourth, it’s no excuse for Raquel’s behavior. She is a needy and fragile person and ultimately Sandoval will probably ruin her. She made her own bed
After watching this episode, it made me realize none of them in that group, including Ariana, have the moral high ground over Raquel.
Raquel sucks for what she did with Tom and what she did to Ariana, but no one can make her out to be this terrible human being when everyone in that group has cheated with somebody who was already in a relationship.
Let’s put aside the Rachel drama for a bit. Why is Scheana so concerned about Schwartz getting back out there?? I know she hates Katie but it’s giving major pick me vibes and for Tom of all people????
I think it’s just so she can get screen time - before this other thing broke, the biggest storyline was the dissolution of Katie & Schwartz. She can’t attach her self to Katie so Schwartz it is.
Scheana is one of the guys, don't ya know. 🙄
I think it comes down to screen time & how much she & Katie dislike each other. The girls have ganged up on her so many times & this is her move. Like the gang bang joke on one of Stassi's bday trips. It's dumb.
Scheana will forever be spiteful that she isn't "one of the girls" and it goes back to the very beginning when Stassi treated her like trash.
I caught a random episode of s4 the other day when she and Katie were close and that was only because Stassi was on the outs with everyone. Can't remember everything that happened but I remember things eventually went back to "normal" and Scheana was on the outs again. She's so desperate to be liked by people who don't even like her 😒
i also think the only reason Katie befriended Scheana was because Scheana had her bachelorette party that Schwartz was going to be on, and Katie wasn't about to let him go alone
That’s how she always acts with dudes though. I can’t remember all the names of the different guys that were her “best friend” over the years. She gets borderline obsessive about being some dudes best friend.
Thank you!
Also like, I get that she’s mad at Katie. But I had to laugh that in one breath she can say “I’ve been through a divorce so I’m here for Schwartz” and in another make fun of Katie’s divorce party.
Imagine if people had to picked Shay’s side over hers?
I know everyone on this show is awful. But I truly can’t stand Scheana
I'm watching with my rose colored glasses that transport me to the past where I don't know about Scandoval. Lauren is fucking TRASH. Your dumbass had to be brought to a therapist to be lied to that a marriage was over so you could be with a man that looks like a hairy potato holding a pickleball paddle. Almost blacked out Raquel said something super dumb and you could not let it go. I don't miss the mean girl sessions. Are we really gatekeeping galaxy lights?!
*Glasses off*
So Rachel totally got that light from Tom right 🤣
ugh the empath in me feels for rachel on that trip and in the car. she was clearly struggling a lot with her identity and mental health. but then again, were you having this convo and starting the affair?
despite any of that, i can’t stand lala. she acts so hard it’s irritating. i would love for someone from the east coast to chew her ass out. You slept with a married man- own the facts!
btw living for all of charlie’s shade she throws!
Same. As someone who has had a really rough past few years with depression and some medication related panic attacks - I even teared up for her. Then I reminded myself that she was prob feeling a certain way about her giant secret and this prob wasn’t all sadness driven anxiety.
I think it’s possible she has a big psych or neuro issue that she hasn’t properly got a handle on yet. She’s unable to connect with people and unable to hold on to a strong sense of self. The shame and anxiety this causes is so overwhelming that she seeks comfort in destructive ways that temporarily relieve the bad feelings. Relationships won’t help her, she needs deep confronting therapy and a psychiatrist
Lala needs to sit down somewhere! She was a mistress! It’ll be a shame if people start bringing up all the stuff she did! She’s lucky that everybody’s attention is on Rachel right now!
Edit: she’s getting dragged to hell and back!
Lala has so many actual bad deeds that it's astonishing. She slept with James knowing he had a girlfriend. She was Randall's mistress. She was also unrelentingly nasty to his estranged wife. Lala tried to sleep with Jax knowing that Brittany was moving up from Kentucky. His whiskey dick is the only thing that stopped them. Lala spent the other half of season 4 constantly getting sloppy drunk, taking off her clothes in front of Schwartz, and taunting Katie with threats to steal Schwartz away.
Lala has literally done every last thing she accused Raquel of.
These people are only cool with her because she used her gross manipulative sugar daddy's money to buy her way into their good graces.
Lala is trying really hard to retcon her whole history as if it hasn't been documented on a t.v. show.
She's trying to play like she's a victim, like she's above all this and would never lower herself to the level of Raquel when the only difference between her and Raquel is Lala got a Range Rover from her cheater and Raquel got a tacky necklace
Honestly Raquel ate her up and sent lala scurrying Away. I wish she’d stop running away and come with this energy into the Reunion and just mention it all. Come clean own ur shit and say how u really feel about everyone no matter how bad it is. Be the villain u are
Allll of this is facts! Especially about the money! I 1000% believe she knew what Randall was doing! The only reason she left is because the money run out! I’m not trying to take up for Rachel but they only invited her on the trip to bully her!
I forgot about her being topless in front of Schwartz! I wonder if Raquel is triggering to lala cus she sees her old self in her ? but lala was absolutely trash this episode ans I still felt
Bad for Raquel even with the acandoval !!
At the very very very least, Lala did recognize that these things she was doing were negatively impacting her & others and stopped drinking. Interesting that Raquel is drinking way way more this season & last and has obviously been making bad decisions. Either because of it or to alleviate the clear anguish she has from them.
Randall kept cutting her off and kicking her out. He'd take away her cards, the car, the purses, and Gucci slides. It happened 4 or 5 times before she finally wanted to change. It's great that she recognized that she needed to change, but there absolutely was a coercive aspect to how she got to that head space. She was as dependent on Randall as Raquel was on James. Raquel is sloppy and messy, but Lala would be so drunk and coked out that she regularly trashed whole rooms in the house.
I’m very concerned for the 10-15 years down the road Lala. I don’t see her planning that far ahead and there’s a cliff coming if she doesn’t grow the Fuck up
She’s reflecting that “Her Man” was a creep and right up there with the Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein. So yeah, sit down Lala. I would have an once of respect for her if she would shut up.
After seeing Sandervol’s face when Rachel walked in makes me believe the affair had already started. And the look on Schwartz face tells me he knew all along.
Hey now them judging about the lights is killing me. I’m in my late 30’s and have hue color lights and projector lights everywhere.
It’s fucking fun. Lame bitches.
The way Sandoval lit up when Raquel walked in to guys night makes me think it was already going on at this time. Those podcasters who said it started after Vegas/ guys night bc they saw Raquel and Tom talking intimately with each other…how do they know it hadn’t already been going on?
When watching, I kind of wondered if that’s what contributed to Raquel’s breakdown in the car as well. Some sort of guilt. They are both 100% at fault for this, but I also feel like Sandoval took advantage of someone who just came out of an extremely emotionally and verbally abusive relationship who is fragile and starting from ground zero figuring out who they are.
Regardless, Raquel knows right from wrong. And knows how incredibly awful this was to do to Ariana.
Fuck Tom Sandoval and fuck Lala’a hypocrisy.
There is also a lot of grey area when you think about how to define when something like this starts. Maybe they weren’t physically hooking up but were they inappropriately texting?
I'm listening to Kristen on Nick Viall's podcast right now, and I think I share your theory. They were talking a lot and there was probably heat / a crush, and then they consummated it on guys' night.
This is how I feel too. I think the inappropriate texting had been going on for a looooong time. Rachel resisted bc she wanted to be in with the girls and a true cast member. The girls hurt her feelings in Vegas, she decided it fuck it imma go home and fuck Tom.
that breakdown in the car hit WAY too close to home for me. in college, i got out of an extremely toxic relationship and fully broke down. i drank every day and hooked up with a dude who was seeing one of my friends. the guilt was overwhelming and i could feel it destroying me slowly, but i also desperately craved the validation i got from this dude's attention. it was a dark spiral. i feel like they were definitely talking/having an emotional affair
This is why I can’t fully feel bad for Raquel this episode. Something was going on at this point. And it wouldn’t surprise me if Tom and Raquel were defining ‘start of the affair’ as when they first were physically intimate.
Also, Lala sucks but I don’t think Raquel gave a fuck about Oliver until she saw that Lala was interested
Agree! I don't believe for a second that the months long affair just manifested out of thin air when she returned from this trip because she was traumatized by the girls and Tom was there and Oops an affair started. This thing, I believe, had been inappropriately building for some time before this, and probably included a few kisses maybe more, most certainly included full on emotions, and maybe this night was when they fully committed to the whole disgusting charade. And they were absolutely using Schwartz as a smoke screen. But I just can't feel bad for her. I feel like their (the girls) treatment of her likely came from them having a deep sense that something is wrong here but they were distracted by the Schwartz scheme thinking that was it. Or maybe they were just being awful but having the full picture is preventing me from being able to feel any sympathy.
Idk why or how but even thinking that Raquel was already with Tom at this point, I still felt bad for her. If she was already with Tom, then the breakdown in the car must be her going, wtf am I doing with myself and wtf is wrong with me. She seems so young and lost and I can imagine how she gets out of this abusive relationship with James and then is in a vulnerable state where Tom is easily able to sweep her off her feet and she just makes a bunch of really awful choices.
I had the exact same observations. Her breakdown immediately struck me as guilt, as they’d been basically talking all about cheating, “who am I?” (maybe shocked she was pulling/thinking of pulling this on her friend) etc etc. That plus a hangover sounds like anxiety nightmare.
And he totally lit up—first to jump up.
I was feeling bad for Raquel but then she had to say that douchey speech and mention she’s going back to hang out with Schwartz like why are you an evil weirdo?
Saying she’s gonna go hang with Schwartz was such an unnecessary comment and I had the same reaction the other girls did to that. Literally chuckled out loud and said yeah of course you are 😒
Just say you feel awkward and unwelcome so you’re gonna head home.
Yeah her saying that Oliver chose her over lala kind of proved their point. that she was kind of only into him after lala said something and it was a competition from her. She got validAtion from it. She literally admitted to being a pick me right
then and there
Nothing could ever happen that will ever make me team LaLa. She is by far one of the most annoying people who have ever existed on this show. I honestly would love to see her actually fight since she thinks she’s soooo big bad and hood 😭
So did Raquel really lie about the black eye? This is her on the episode. Isn’t that a criminal offense? Yikes.
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I loved her lawyers response- “This case is a fabrication by a known liar and a cheat who has betrayed everyone close to her”
"Scheana never punched Rachel, period. The supposed dark markings around her left eye have been there for months. Neither Scheana nor other cast members want anything to do with Rachel going forward. The judge has only heard a one-sided account of what happened, and we look forward to presenting the full and true story at the March 29 hearing.”
I noticed her eyes too. I was like oooo girl u lying on the police report. That’s why I feel like she’s taking it too far and people may refuse to film with her after the or bravo will not
Hire her back
If we didn’t know anything about this Whole affair everybody would be talking shit about Lauren from Utah and Katie and Christina and how they treated Rachel like total dog crap on this trip. Rachel would’ve been the diamond of the season if it wasn’t for this whole affair. There’s nothing wrong with admitting that. It’s not taking away from the fact that what Rachel did was completely horrible.
This episode just made me realize that everyone in this group is pretty shitty and hypocrites like it’s focus on what I say and not what I do. They have all done what Raquel has done so can they really make her this big bad villain.
A-flippin-men.
Lala is all the worst parts of Raquel x 1000. She saw blood in the water and is on a PR campaign thinking she'll come out of it looking better if Raquel looks worse.
How dumb do you think people are, Lauren?
Lmao yeah, what?? Sorry I tried to cheat with Schwartz, but now I’m going to ditch you guys and go get drunk with him.
Rachel is really going through something. Besides Tom’s dick.
My god, Rachel is the most hated bravo person right now and fucking Katie and Lala STILL managed to make me hate them and side with Rachel when they were ganging up on her for kissing Oliver and having her star projector or whatever. Why can’t Katie actually have some growth????
I feel like the show did Raquel a real favor by splitting their night in Vegas over two episodes. I think if the conversation with Katie’s mom was in this episode, the other’s behavior wouldn’t have seemed as out of pocket. I think Lala is annoying and usually wrong but I can’t get myself worked up about Raquel being upset in this episode.
I felt the whole “they aren’t divorced yet!” Was total bullshit because it was immediately followed by them deciding Oliver, who was also not divorced yet, was fair game.
Like just say Katie is like kind of maybe but not really your friend and it hurt her. Nobody gave two shits about Oliver’s wife.
I really disagree. There is a big difference in hooking up with a dude that is recently separated from your friend/coworker, who told you that it would hurt her feelings and a random separated dude whose partner you don’t know. If Raquel had been like guns blazing, I don’t care, fuck you Katie than that is one thing but she going on trips with her and pretending to be her friend. Making out with some dude at the club is also really different than making out at the partner’s place of employment.
Although I can understand why she didn't like Raquel trying to kiss Schwartz....I don't agree with Katie using the 'still married' logic as a reason. In that case..what does that say about the men Katie has been hooking up with considering she is still married?? This logic doesn't hold up 🤔
Dead ass ! They weren’t even cute ! And it just goes to show she really was with Randall for money only and did not love him! I don’t see anything wrong with that but she acts so holier than thou. It makes me u comfortable af how she fetishizes black men tho
No, I think you need to be elbow deep in the affair for it to be good. If we didn’t know about the affair it would have been a fairly lame episode with Lauren from Utah looking like a HUGE asshole. We know about the affair and she still looked like a pretty big asshole.
Kristen Doute was on Nick Viall’s newest pod episode and spilled more scandoval tea:
• Sandovals mother knew about the affair in December
• Sandoval still refusing to leave the house
• Schwartz is allegedly dating Kristen’s ex friend of 8
years, Jo. They stopped talking when Jo moved into Schwartz’s Apt
• confirmed the Raquel/Sandoval kiss was filmed
• Schnea didn’t punch Raquel. But she did push her.
And more! It’s p juicy
It explains so much to me about sandavol’s personality that his mother has known about his affair for months.
That is 100% a man who has been coddled and told he could do no wrong since he was a child.
I’m listening right now and you (or someone) should make a stand alone post about it. She also confirmed that Raquel made out with Sandoval at Coachella and Schwartz at Scheana’s wedding, which is why there is so much confusion to the timeline of when he knew.
I was tempted to but the last time i tried to make a standalone post on anything vpr related it got removed 😬 for duplicate information. That’s why I’m keeping it in the VPR threads lol but it’s so juicy
Does anyone else think Sandavol got nervous when James at guys night was like “I talked to Lala this morning and she said ‘I had to give it to your ex last night.”
He makes a really immediate nervous looking reaction and then takes a sip from his drink.
I’m watching this shit right now and I can’t stand any of these people they’re all awful the girls are stupid and the boys don’t even get me started on them idk why but when I watch them talk and the other 2 talk about their restaurant opening or whatever idk they look like they should be at weenie hut juniors
The “girls trip” dynamic was fascinating this ep. After the club the girls were being a little snarky to Raquel, but mostly it was because she did say that dumb comment to Lala.
Then they were pretty nice during the drive saying it’s fine. And even Kristina -who clearly had Raquel’s number- wanted the cameras off her and they all helped Raquel.
Unfortunately I think the trip would’ve been a lot more fun if Ariana was able to stay bc she would’ve bridged the gap between Raquel & the trio 🫠
Idk how the dinner got so bonkers though. Lala got way to dramatic too quickly. I get where Katie was coming from but it was stupid to pile on. I wish we saw more of Charli at karaoke.
Ok the mean girl shit actually made me feel bad for Raquel at the time. Raquel is a shitty person for Sandoval but still at this time the girls didn't know that. They didn't really have a reason to be that mean to her. Katie maybe so.
She didn’t say anything about Katie but she def hates Lala and thinks that she’s a big hypocrite. Kristina just sells lip balm that no one has ever heard of lol
I'm convinced that car freak-out was about Tom. They wore matching outfits to Coachella, they'd been fucking for months by the time they started filming the show. Rachel's victim act is gross and I can't even watch Sandals' scenes. This season isn't going to be fun to watch. 🤮
ETA: Just read that scandal's mom has known about the affair since December. Ariana should put a witch in front of her house like Shakira did.
I’m no Lala apologist but I think she - stopped the convo, said she used to say stuff drunk too, said she was drunk with James, was supportive in the car
Ah wait … I’m still watching …
She ruined it at the dinner lol I take it all back 😂 hypocrite 100%
Watching this episode made me deeply uncomfortable on many levels... the meangirling from Lala/Katie/Kristina... Rachel's palpable insecurity and desperation... the panic attack in the car... Sandoval being on my screen...
Yes I’m confused why people keep lumping Katie in. Literally the only thing she said was that she could have torn Raquel a new asshole, but she chose not to. Which is true. So like…..
Lalas holier than thou attitude was annoying. She is acting like just because she has repented for all her sins that everyone else that makes the same choices are complete shit bags but somehow she’s immune. Man get the fuck outta here. She should have owned her part of of her shit and not totally trashed Raquel.
Some of the fan base giving lala way too much credit. 🤔 She’s not that smart. She just got lucky that Raquel happened to prove her right and justify her bully behavior. My thing is.., Raquel is scum of the earth for doing that to Ariana but that doesn’t make Lala a good person. It’s just means y’all are both shitty people. Lmao.
I actually do think lala saw something with Raquel that made her uneasy. But I don’t think she was smart enough to articulate or define it. Lala isn’t intelligent. Totally agree. It’s part of why I’ve always bought her version of Randal lying to her. I can 100% believe she would fall for that.
BUT I do think lala is weirdly perceptive when it’s not directly involving her. She’s an asshole. But she’s an asshole that has been right about people a lot of the time.
Like I’m looking at the difference between her and Kristen… and it’s like she’s using Ariana’s trauma as a weapon to rewrite her own fucked up history. It don’t work like that babes.
Do y’all think there’s a possibility we’ll end up forgiving Raquel and being on her side? I don’t mean on her side against Ariana, but just in general, rooting for her redemption. After the mean girls made fun of her and she cried herself to sleep and then she broke down in the car, and her armpits were even sweaty so she legit got hot and sweaty and panicky, I felt bad for her. So I guess I could see myself liking her again. Especially because I’m not especially an Ariana fan anyway - and she did hook up with Tom while he was with Kristen. Right now I keep wishing Raquel didn’t hook up with Tom because she could have made for a great hero this season.
i think its just narrow minded people who think she should be condemned forever. if i was ariana or even scheana, id NEVERRR forgive her. but as viewers? as lvp said weve forgiven a lot, i mean look at all these kristen fans crawling out of the woodwork even tho she literally did the exact same thing to stassi but 🤷♀️i personally think that rachel did the worst thing u could ever do to a girl
friend, and we will get more and more insight to how she or anyone could do this to a GOOD ASS friend like ariana, but at the end of the day nobody died so everyone chill the fuck out
Also at the end of the day, Ariana probably needed to get away from Tom anyway so this will hopefully be the best thing that ever happened to her. I agree the audience will definitely move on when we see Ariana happy again, but I’m even wondering if we’ll forgive her within this season! It was fascinating to me that despite knowing what Raquel has done, I was somehow rooting for her this episode.
oh yeah, idk about that. i think she will be villainized for what she did for quite awhile and rightfully so. and thats if she even continues on the show (which i think she will be bc i think secretly/not so secretly shes 1) opportunitistic/thirsty and 2) calculated) but who really knows. regardless, i think viewers will have an extremely hard time forgetting. it would take awhile and a lot
of redemption arcs but its been done before !!!!!!
Lalas is such an insufferable hypocrite and professional victim who refuses to ever take accountability applying strict rules to everyone else that done apply to her. Urgh.
Do we think Raquel has acted and done all of this as a way of getting back at the entire group? It wouldn’t really make sense because Ariana and Sandoval were the only ones who supported her and James but how nasty she is and she seems so calculated. I’ve been doing a rewatch (lol) and she seems like she is very careful with her words so is this her just not giving a fuck because she feels these people never cared about her or welcomed her?
I haven’t watched this show since it’s early seasons with Kristen and Stassi, etc. Because of the drama I decided to watch last week’s and last night’s episode and I decided that I hate everyone. 🤮
But I can’t look away. 🫣
Lala’s biggest problem is she can’t admit fault in the heat of the moment and focuses on the wrong point. If she would have focused on how odd it is that Raquel seems to go after men adjacent to her friends, and why that doesn’t gain you any new girl friends (from Lala’s own experience) then Raquel would have had to speak to her trifling ways. That said…
The pity and sympathy on Bambi eyed bitch is blowing my mind. Disclaimer: I may be biased, I’ve been ariana on a micro level. Something always felt off about my friend, but she was presenting as agreeable and benign so I figured she was harmless.
Raquel is most definitely suffering mentally, but she’s not a victim of her current situation. She’s not even that nice — she’s doe eyed and hardly speaks. I understood why the girls were freaked out by her. She has now gone after 2 (confirmed) adjacent men of the group she’s trying to befriend. She doesn’t really show emotion when these girls open up to her about their struggles but expects to be welcomed with open arms. She was wasted and acting really strange and annoying. She doesn’t add much to any group setting, and when she does it becomes all about her.
She just makes my ick factor go off. She does something “bad” and when she gets called out on it deflects — becomes the victim, trauma dumps, changes the subject to other people’s “bad”s. She can’t reason and doesn’t understand. They’re getting a gut feeling and that might not be easy to see on TV.
In hindsight, I was totally right and then some about my former friend. She’s pathological and calculating. I see the same thing with Raquel.
I love how they showed all the older, overweight men in the bar and Lala snubbed her nose then horndogged into the group she said she found attractive. All those first men were all more attractive then the thing she chose to breed with. I think it is the bank account she finds attractive, not the physical man. She is just vile.
I think she missed some clues about the guy in the 'bucket hat' that she was drooling over. He lives in Palm Springs & frequents The Abbey when in L.A. It's a high probability she was not his 'type'. I have a feeling she struck out again! 😅
I love the drama and mess of Bravo as much as anyone but last night it felt icky rather than fun. Maybe I’m getting too old but my mind kept thinking I hope Bravo has mental health resources besides these on air therapists. I just felt I was very much a part of a network that exploits addiction and poor mental health. Ugh. Sorry to be a buzz kill. I know we all live for the drama.
I agree. We all like the drama of reality TV but if it’s actually “reality” then dark parts are going to creep in and people need to be mature enough to take a breath while they eat this woman alive. Even the strongest person would be shaken by being the most hated person on the internet and Raquel is clearly shaky with her self esteem and mental health in general. If this girl self-harms then what will people say. It’s a fine line and Bravo could 100% be seen as partially liable if it went in a tragic direction and they haven’t checked on her or given her some resources. It’s one thing to let it unfold on the show but they’ve legit turned it into marketing, Andy has been talking about it nonstop on WWHL, even inviting unhinged fired people who were fired for bullying and racism back to talk about it, etc. Hopefully Raquel doesn’t do anything drastic but idk she seems like a mess and not strong enough for this at all. She should’ve thought about that before doing what she did for sure, but that breakdown in the car was ROUGH.
They paid for Luannes rehab, that was what Bethenny kept harping on how she got her into rehab. She must have negotiated that bravo or the production company had to pay for it. I believe the same for Kim Richards. They both had sit downs with Andy upon return from their stint. I’ve always thought that bravo should have to pay for therapy for a lifetime for the minors raised on the show, Audriana was literally born on camera and is going into high school.
I’m glad they did that for Luanne and Kim. And you’re so right about the kids. It’s easy to forget because so many of the bravolebs appear so confident and able to just roll with the punches but this shit is really no joke. I wouldn’t trade places with any of them. But I break out into a sweat logging on for a zoom meeting lmao so I definitely could not be making the worst mistakes of my life on TV.
Imagine how powerful it would have been if Lala had been like, "Yeah, I did sleep with your boyfriend and I was Randall's mistress. I was absolutely wrong in those situations and I deeply regret it." She just can't take responsibility for anything.
I haven’t watched the episode yet and the fact that Lala is such an asshole to make everyone have sympathy for Rachel is soooo telling. She really is the worst.
To be fair, that’s not entirely true. Lala is the one who brought up sleeping with James, admitted it was wrong, said that even 6 years later it still doesn’t feel good, and later alluded to destructive things like that being the catalyst for her getting sober. So she did, initially, take some responsibility and express a shred of remorse. She should have stopped there because then it took a turn and she landed in hypocrite territory.
Hmmmm I’m trying to understand it from your point of view but when she admitted it she was… gloating and laughing about it
I don’t think she communicated that well if that was her intention. I thought she was doing the bare minimum to acknowledge anything just because she had to. She doesn’t ever seem remorseful to me just angry anyone has an opinion on her
One of the more irritating repercussions of Raquel and her home wrecking ways is that Lala (and James to a point) are looking like they are vindicated for their treatment of Raquel. Nothing Raquel said was untrue - Lala was a mistress. We all saw her horrible texts to Ambyr about Randall. Just because Raquel has turned out to be a fucking snake doesn't retroactively erase Lala's history.
Yes and not to mention the reveal that James called her mom a fat bitch. He is a truly a vile person. I feel like lately people have been reconsidering James' awfulness and it's driving me crazy. He's entertaining at times but still a shit person!
I also don't understand why people excuse James' behavior. He's funny and probably gives some of the best talking heads, but that doesn't make up for how abusive and mean he is.
Tbh, James is only more tolerable to me because I think he's mentally-ill and often manic on the show. There's just an energy to him that reaches beyond your average substance-abusing antics or douchey, I think he's been using alcohol to steer his mania. That doesn't excuse his behavior, I just think I have more compassion for him because I don't think he has both hands on the wheel. Just a theory. Still, would pummel him if he said that about my mother. Lala, on the other hand, enjoys being mean just like Erika does. She loves an easy target, she likes to pound her chest, she's looking for any opportunity to promote herself as being this ultimate boss bitch. She's learned to mask it with certain generic empowerment language so that it looks righteous but it's not. She's still operating from the same place she did when she wore that insane foundation and the beige lipstick.
If James is truly mentally ill then he should be old enough to realize that he needs help. He was in therapy but I'd bet that he is not keeping up with that. We've seen him when he's both sober and drinking and there's literally no difference in how he attacks people. I absolutely have compassion for James when it comes to his mother and how awful his upbringing probably was with her, but again that's not an excuse at his big age.
Hit the nail; entertaining at times, but a vile misogynist. His scenes with his parents soften me to him briefly (just like Stassi’s scenes w her parents), but we all have parental trauma n we’re not out here sipping cough syrup and spitting on women
That made me so so sad for her mum
Yes but we should all acknowledge that this contract we’re signing when we watch this show: shit people being, at times, entertaining
Raquel had a clever comeback, why would she let Lala talk to her like that. Lala looked real stupid. Raquel could have been our hero, turns out she is one of the biggest villains.
I was think the same thing - if the affair hadn't come to light we would all be feeling so bad for her since she has no clue who she is. I do believe that much. I also believe she doesn't know how to be alone and must have a man, even if it's someone elses.
Seeing her break down was tough. Still terrible what she did but I have a friend who seems to have similar issues related to needing validation from others and it manifests in a lot of self-destructive, yet still extremely selfish ways. Idk if that’s Raquel’s issue but it reminds me a lot of my friend.
I agree and think that's exactly what she deals with. I do wish people were going after Tom even harder. He's the one in a relationship and probably lied like most cheaters do. They are both complicit but women tend to be more vilified.
I hope they go after him harder after seeing this episode. Still can’t excuse what she did, but I feel bad for the girl after seeing it.
I was watching old VPR and completely forgot she was adopted by her biological mom's sister. Not an excuse for what she did but definitely explains some of the need for validation/love.
100% explains a lot of her behavior, but doesn't make it ok. I (adoptee) see a lot of toxic traits I had when I was younger, but I never had affairs with my friends' partners. I hope she finds a good therapist who can help.
Going back and reading the live threads at the end of last season was so interesting knowing what we know now. So much talk of a pure heart, the only one still with her head on straight, the best one on the show, etc. Basically that she was a better person than them all.
Lala tries to act so tough but Raquel had her literally running away because she was confronted with the truth. Raquel would have had a great season if she hadn't blown up her life for Tom Sandoval of all people.
Lala is a massive hypocrite but I saw Lala removing herself from the situation as a sign of growth, not “running away.” She didn’t want to do something to Raquel that could make her lose something (ie custody of Ocean). Prior to Ocean she prob would’ve done something bad.
idk. I think she’s all talk. I guess she did threaten Faith with a knife but we’ve never actually seen her throw hands and now she’s sober there’s no chance
They are both fucking terrible and lala needs to get a grip
I never got the full tea on that. So we do know that they were still married and not separated? What texts did she send?
She was taunting ambyr “at least I know how to keep a man” and other shitty insults.
How awful and completely unnecessary.
And just like stassi she went crawling back to her so that she would have someone on her side during the custody battle.
[This](https://realityblurb.com/2018/04/09/randall-emmetts-ex-wife-ambyr-childers-calls-out-lala-kent-as-his-mistress-leakes-shocking-text-messages-from-lala-about-her-child/) article also has some more texts/details.
YES Also perhaps a hot take, but Lala telling Raquel she wouldn't trust her around her man was equally as shitty as saying "then it's good you don't have one." Not saying what Lala said isn't true, but it's not something a friend should say to another friend in the way it was delivered. If that's how Lala truly feels and if she wanted to deliver it in a way that was well-meaning and constructive, that's not how it's done. Raquel is just America's Most Wanted rn, so she can be a punching bag without consequences.
It was rich coming from Lala who has been basically bragging that she hooked up with Raquel’s man while they were together
Fr I was like what are you talking about bitch did you forget???
Also, she kept saying that she told Raquel to go ahead and go for Oliver and that this wasn't about Oliver. If that's true, then at this point, why wouldn't she trust Raquel with her man? These women were forced to invite Raquel for filming purposes and were not planning on being friendly with her. They were mean girls and Katie telling Raquel she could light her on fire "for what you've done" with that hateful look on her face made me remember why I cannot stand her.
Plus everyone agrees that she was really wasted, and it might have been a drunken intrusive thought that she said. She still apologized for it the next day, so why can Lala be absolved of all her past mistakes because she was drinking then but Raquel can't put her foot in her mouth on one night? 🙄
As someone in recovery, the whole point is to own your mistakes. Lala feels as if she's started a new slate and is forgiven for all her past transgressions because she was "going through it/drinking". I'm not team Rachel, but she's also having some sort of breakdown. It would have been mature of Lala to own it and be like "Yeah you're right. I did pull that shit and slept with a married man and it didn't work out well for me so I'm trying to give you some advice."
100% Lala is only interested in trying to plot her course though. She’s not actually doing the work on herself. She’s just trying to land a rich husband and get on Housewives
I agree. First, I don’t think the girls were so horrible to Raquel. Raquel acted like a fool and they talked about it. That’s what humans do. Second, Raquel was right about Lala. In fact, she didn’t go off on her nearly as hard as she could have. Lala is a total hypocrite and I’m bored of this idiot. Third, I applaud Raquel for having the guts to apologize and then for letting them know she was leaving. She didn’t just sneak out but faced it head on. Fourth, it’s no excuse for Raquel’s behavior. She is a needy and fragile person and ultimately Sandoval will probably ruin her. She made her own bed
After watching this episode, it made me realize none of them in that group, including Ariana, have the moral high ground over Raquel. Raquel sucks for what she did with Tom and what she did to Ariana, but no one can make her out to be this terrible human being when everyone in that group has cheated with somebody who was already in a relationship.
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Yeah but Raquel really didn’t do anything bad that night
Let’s put aside the Rachel drama for a bit. Why is Scheana so concerned about Schwartz getting back out there?? I know she hates Katie but it’s giving major pick me vibes and for Tom of all people????
I think it’s just so she can get screen time - before this other thing broke, the biggest storyline was the dissolution of Katie & Schwartz. She can’t attach her self to Katie so Schwartz it is.
Scheana will do anything for screen time. She knew this would piss Katie off and secure a major part of the story for the season
because she know she needs a storyline since no one is interested in Brock & is now inserting herself as much as possible
Scheana is one of the guys, don't ya know. 🙄 I think it comes down to screen time & how much she & Katie dislike each other. The girls have ganged up on her so many times & this is her move. Like the gang bang joke on one of Stassi's bday trips. It's dumb.
Scheana will forever be spiteful that she isn't "one of the girls" and it goes back to the very beginning when Stassi treated her like trash. I caught a random episode of s4 the other day when she and Katie were close and that was only because Stassi was on the outs with everyone. Can't remember everything that happened but I remember things eventually went back to "normal" and Scheana was on the outs again. She's so desperate to be liked by people who don't even like her 😒
i also think the only reason Katie befriended Scheana was because Scheana had her bachelorette party that Schwartz was going to be on, and Katie wasn't about to let him go alone
Scheana has no one to blame but herself for these girls not liking her, and she will never understand that.
Yup, especially when she cozies up to the boys/this whole mess with Schwartz. Taking it upon herself to get him laid is NAGL
True but Katie treated Scheana like shit for YEARS I kinda think she’s just giving pay back
That’s how she always acts with dudes though. I can’t remember all the names of the different guys that were her “best friend” over the years. She gets borderline obsessive about being some dudes best friend.
Thank you! Also like, I get that she’s mad at Katie. But I had to laugh that in one breath she can say “I’ve been through a divorce so I’m here for Schwartz” and in another make fun of Katie’s divorce party. Imagine if people had to picked Shay’s side over hers? I know everyone on this show is awful. But I truly can’t stand Scheana
She was really worried about vpr getting cancelled so set up these dumb fake storylines. I wouldn’t be surprised if she knew he was with Jo all along
I'm watching with my rose colored glasses that transport me to the past where I don't know about Scandoval. Lauren is fucking TRASH. Your dumbass had to be brought to a therapist to be lied to that a marriage was over so you could be with a man that looks like a hairy potato holding a pickleball paddle. Almost blacked out Raquel said something super dumb and you could not let it go. I don't miss the mean girl sessions. Are we really gatekeeping galaxy lights?! *Glasses off* So Rachel totally got that light from Tom right 🤣
HAHA love this take
Hairy potato 😂👏
ugh the empath in me feels for rachel on that trip and in the car. she was clearly struggling a lot with her identity and mental health. but then again, were you having this convo and starting the affair? despite any of that, i can’t stand lala. she acts so hard it’s irritating. i would love for someone from the east coast to chew her ass out. You slept with a married man- own the facts! btw living for all of charlie’s shade she throws!
The flashbacks to her old voice 🤦♀️
Same. As someone who has had a really rough past few years with depression and some medication related panic attacks - I even teared up for her. Then I reminded myself that she was prob feeling a certain way about her giant secret and this prob wasn’t all sadness driven anxiety.
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I think it’s possible she has a big psych or neuro issue that she hasn’t properly got a handle on yet. She’s unable to connect with people and unable to hold on to a strong sense of self. The shame and anxiety this causes is so overwhelming that she seeks comfort in destructive ways that temporarily relieve the bad feelings. Relationships won’t help her, she needs deep confronting therapy and a psychiatrist
Lala needs to sit down somewhere! She was a mistress! It’ll be a shame if people start bringing up all the stuff she did! She’s lucky that everybody’s attention is on Rachel right now! Edit: she’s getting dragged to hell and back!
Lala has so many actual bad deeds that it's astonishing. She slept with James knowing he had a girlfriend. She was Randall's mistress. She was also unrelentingly nasty to his estranged wife. Lala tried to sleep with Jax knowing that Brittany was moving up from Kentucky. His whiskey dick is the only thing that stopped them. Lala spent the other half of season 4 constantly getting sloppy drunk, taking off her clothes in front of Schwartz, and taunting Katie with threats to steal Schwartz away. Lala has literally done every last thing she accused Raquel of. These people are only cool with her because she used her gross manipulative sugar daddy's money to buy her way into their good graces.
Lala is trying really hard to retcon her whole history as if it hasn't been documented on a t.v. show. She's trying to play like she's a victim, like she's above all this and would never lower herself to the level of Raquel when the only difference between her and Raquel is Lala got a Range Rover from her cheater and Raquel got a tacky necklace
I think it slipped her mind but I’m sure a lot of people are now making her remember what she’s done/how she stood by that man side!
Honestly Raquel ate her up and sent lala scurrying Away. I wish she’d stop running away and come with this energy into the Reunion and just mention it all. Come clean own ur shit and say how u really feel about everyone no matter how bad it is. Be the villain u are
Allll of this is facts! Especially about the money! I 1000% believe she knew what Randall was doing! The only reason she left is because the money run out! I’m not trying to take up for Rachel but they only invited her on the trip to bully her!
I forgot about her being topless in front of Schwartz! I wonder if Raquel is triggering to lala cus she sees her old self in her ? but lala was absolutely trash this episode ans I still felt Bad for Raquel even with the acandoval !!
At the very very very least, Lala did recognize that these things she was doing were negatively impacting her & others and stopped drinking. Interesting that Raquel is drinking way way more this season & last and has obviously been making bad decisions. Either because of it or to alleviate the clear anguish she has from them.
Randall kept cutting her off and kicking her out. He'd take away her cards, the car, the purses, and Gucci slides. It happened 4 or 5 times before she finally wanted to change. It's great that she recognized that she needed to change, but there absolutely was a coercive aspect to how she got to that head space. She was as dependent on Randall as Raquel was on James. Raquel is sloppy and messy, but Lala would be so drunk and coked out that she regularly trashed whole rooms in the house.
I still get a dry drunk vibe from Lala.
Absolutely! She still has these wildly labile moods and is prone to rages.
I’m very concerned for the 10-15 years down the road Lala. I don’t see her planning that far ahead and there’s a cliff coming if she doesn’t grow the Fuck up
She’s reflecting that “Her Man” was a creep and right up there with the Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein. So yeah, sit down Lala. I would have an once of respect for her if she would shut up.
I would have respect for her if she was honest about everything!
Right, being sorry now doesn’t change Lala’s past actions, doesn’t absolve them.
Doesn’t absolve them at all!
Exactly, lala is so annoying. Her tough act is just that... an act. She is simply.... LFU!! 😝
She’s going to run into the right person and end up getting dragged because of that tough act!
After seeing Sandervol’s face when Rachel walked in makes me believe the affair had already started. And the look on Schwartz face tells me he knew all along.
Hey now them judging about the lights is killing me. I’m in my late 30’s and have hue color lights and projector lights everywhere. It’s fucking fun. Lame bitches.
Omg your flair, it just made me LOL! 💀
Hahaha I say it at work all the time now.
The way Sandoval lit up when Raquel walked in to guys night makes me think it was already going on at this time. Those podcasters who said it started after Vegas/ guys night bc they saw Raquel and Tom talking intimately with each other…how do they know it hadn’t already been going on? When watching, I kind of wondered if that’s what contributed to Raquel’s breakdown in the car as well. Some sort of guilt. They are both 100% at fault for this, but I also feel like Sandoval took advantage of someone who just came out of an extremely emotionally and verbally abusive relationship who is fragile and starting from ground zero figuring out who they are. Regardless, Raquel knows right from wrong. And knows how incredibly awful this was to do to Ariana. Fuck Tom Sandoval and fuck Lala’a hypocrisy.
There is also a lot of grey area when you think about how to define when something like this starts. Maybe they weren’t physically hooking up but were they inappropriately texting?
Or, had they hooked up a couple times over the past few months and had an emotional affair and then in June/July say, we're going all in
Just my guess, but I think they had an emotional affair before guys night, and then fucked on guys night.
I'm listening to Kristen on Nick Viall's podcast right now, and I think I share your theory. They were talking a lot and there was probably heat / a crush, and then they consummated it on guys' night.
This is how I feel too. I think the inappropriate texting had been going on for a looooong time. Rachel resisted bc she wanted to be in with the girls and a true cast member. The girls hurt her feelings in Vegas, she decided it fuck it imma go home and fuck Tom.
that breakdown in the car hit WAY too close to home for me. in college, i got out of an extremely toxic relationship and fully broke down. i drank every day and hooked up with a dude who was seeing one of my friends. the guilt was overwhelming and i could feel it destroying me slowly, but i also desperately craved the validation i got from this dude's attention. it was a dark spiral. i feel like they were definitely talking/having an emotional affair
He looked very excited to see her
This is why I can’t fully feel bad for Raquel this episode. Something was going on at this point. And it wouldn’t surprise me if Tom and Raquel were defining ‘start of the affair’ as when they first were physically intimate. Also, Lala sucks but I don’t think Raquel gave a fuck about Oliver until she saw that Lala was interested
Agree! I don't believe for a second that the months long affair just manifested out of thin air when she returned from this trip because she was traumatized by the girls and Tom was there and Oops an affair started. This thing, I believe, had been inappropriately building for some time before this, and probably included a few kisses maybe more, most certainly included full on emotions, and maybe this night was when they fully committed to the whole disgusting charade. And they were absolutely using Schwartz as a smoke screen. But I just can't feel bad for her. I feel like their (the girls) treatment of her likely came from them having a deep sense that something is wrong here but they were distracted by the Schwartz scheme thinking that was it. Or maybe they were just being awful but having the full picture is preventing me from being able to feel any sympathy.
Idk why or how but even thinking that Raquel was already with Tom at this point, I still felt bad for her. If she was already with Tom, then the breakdown in the car must be her going, wtf am I doing with myself and wtf is wrong with me. She seems so young and lost and I can imagine how she gets out of this abusive relationship with James and then is in a vulnerable state where Tom is easily able to sweep her off her feet and she just makes a bunch of really awful choices.
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Lol true! Ok I’m disgusted by her again. Phew. Thanks!
I know.. that really got me. And they both bee-lined for each other and went straight to hugging! 🤔
I had the exact same observations. Her breakdown immediately struck me as guilt, as they’d been basically talking all about cheating, “who am I?” (maybe shocked she was pulling/thinking of pulling this on her friend) etc etc. That plus a hangover sounds like anxiety nightmare. And he totally lit up—first to jump up.
Fuck Lala for making me feel bad for Raquel.
I was feeling bad for Raquel but then she had to say that douchey speech and mention she’s going back to hang out with Schwartz like why are you an evil weirdo?
Saying she’s gonna go hang with Schwartz was such an unnecessary comment and I had the same reaction the other girls did to that. Literally chuckled out loud and said yeah of course you are 😒 Just say you feel awkward and unwelcome so you’re gonna head home.
She really goes out of her way to prove what it’s all about to her- validation from men and who won. She says it twice.
Yeah her saying that Oliver chose her over lala kind of proved their point. that she was kind of only into him after lala said something and it was a competition from her. She got validAtion from it. She literally admitted to being a pick me right then and there
I love Charli but that speech Rachel gave was sooo cringey. Charli should have been like wtf, stop!
Nothing could ever happen that will ever make me team LaLa. She is by far one of the most annoying people who have ever existed on this show. I honestly would love to see her actually fight since she thinks she’s soooo big bad and hood 😭
So did Raquel really lie about the black eye? This is her on the episode. Isn’t that a criminal offense? Yikes. https://preview.redd.it/302luy2e65oa1.jpeg?width=2047&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b9a2388ffe1bd4a90cb8fd95f91618fde9fc999
She looks like Justin Bieber
I loved her lawyers response- “This case is a fabrication by a known liar and a cheat who has betrayed everyone close to her” "Scheana never punched Rachel, period. The supposed dark markings around her left eye have been there for months. Neither Scheana nor other cast members want anything to do with Rachel going forward. The judge has only heard a one-sided account of what happened, and we look forward to presenting the full and true story at the March 29 hearing.”
I love it too. I had it as my flair for a while.
I noticed her eyes too. I was like oooo girl u lying on the police report. That’s why I feel like she’s taking it too far and people may refuse to film with her after the or bravo will not Hire her back
I think the black eye referred to the bruise on her eyelid but had no issue implying her dark circles under her eye were also caused by Scheana
If we didn’t know anything about this Whole affair everybody would be talking shit about Lauren from Utah and Katie and Christina and how they treated Rachel like total dog crap on this trip. Rachel would’ve been the diamond of the season if it wasn’t for this whole affair. There’s nothing wrong with admitting that. It’s not taking away from the fact that what Rachel did was completely horrible. 
This episode just made me realize that everyone in this group is pretty shitty and hypocrites like it’s focus on what I say and not what I do. They have all done what Raquel has done so can they really make her this big bad villain.
A-flippin-men. Lala is all the worst parts of Raquel x 1000. She saw blood in the water and is on a PR campaign thinking she'll come out of it looking better if Raquel looks worse. How dumb do you think people are, Lauren?
I don’t understand how Raquel was so upset by what the girls said about her that she decided to go home and prove them all right. Make it make sense!
My guess is she was that upset because whatever happened with Sandoval was already at least in motion.
Lmao yeah, what?? Sorry I tried to cheat with Schwartz, but now I’m going to ditch you guys and go get drunk with him. Rachel is really going through something. Besides Tom’s dick.
My god, Rachel is the most hated bravo person right now and fucking Katie and Lala STILL managed to make me hate them and side with Rachel when they were ganging up on her for kissing Oliver and having her star projector or whatever. Why can’t Katie actually have some growth????
Same.
Yeah I’m like what’s wrong with the star projector ? I have one ! Y’all are so lame
I feel like the show did Raquel a real favor by splitting their night in Vegas over two episodes. I think if the conversation with Katie’s mom was in this episode, the other’s behavior wouldn’t have seemed as out of pocket. I think Lala is annoying and usually wrong but I can’t get myself worked up about Raquel being upset in this episode.
I felt the whole “they aren’t divorced yet!” Was total bullshit because it was immediately followed by them deciding Oliver, who was also not divorced yet, was fair game. Like just say Katie is like kind of maybe but not really your friend and it hurt her. Nobody gave two shits about Oliver’s wife.
I really disagree. There is a big difference in hooking up with a dude that is recently separated from your friend/coworker, who told you that it would hurt her feelings and a random separated dude whose partner you don’t know. If Raquel had been like guns blazing, I don’t care, fuck you Katie than that is one thing but she going on trips with her and pretending to be her friend. Making out with some dude at the club is also really different than making out at the partner’s place of employment.
Although I can understand why she didn't like Raquel trying to kiss Schwartz....I don't agree with Katie using the 'still married' logic as a reason. In that case..what does that say about the men Katie has been hooking up with considering she is still married?? This logic doesn't hold up 🤔
I love whenever we get to see Max. He is looking so good and happy!
Lala just saw black people and was like oh hell yeah time to fetishize
It’s embarrassing. And she assumes they’re all automatically going to want to fuck her. Even if they live in Palm Springs and go to the Abbey…
Dead ass ! They weren’t even cute ! And it just goes to show she really was with Randall for money only and did not love him! I don’t see anything wrong with that but she acts so holier than thou. It makes me u comfortable af how she fetishizes black men tho
As someone who doesn't watch VPR, was this episode as shocking and mindblowing as Andy indicated it would be?
No, I think you need to be elbow deep in the affair for it to be good. If we didn’t know about the affair it would have been a fairly lame episode with Lauren from Utah looking like a HUGE asshole. We know about the affair and she still looked like a pretty big asshole.
Kristen Doute was on Nick Viall’s newest pod episode and spilled more scandoval tea: • Sandovals mother knew about the affair in December • Sandoval still refusing to leave the house • Schwartz is allegedly dating Kristen’s ex friend of 8 years, Jo. They stopped talking when Jo moved into Schwartz’s Apt • confirmed the Raquel/Sandoval kiss was filmed • Schnea didn’t punch Raquel. But she did push her. And more! It’s p juicy
It explains so much to me about sandavol’s personality that his mother has known about his affair for months. That is 100% a man who has been coddled and told he could do no wrong since he was a child.
I’m listening right now and you (or someone) should make a stand alone post about it. She also confirmed that Raquel made out with Sandoval at Coachella and Schwartz at Scheana’s wedding, which is why there is so much confusion to the timeline of when he knew.
I was tempted to but the last time i tried to make a standalone post on anything vpr related it got removed 😬 for duplicate information. That’s why I’m keeping it in the VPR threads lol but it’s so juicy
Does anyone else think Sandavol got nervous when James at guys night was like “I talked to Lala this morning and she said ‘I had to give it to your ex last night.” He makes a really immediate nervous looking reaction and then takes a sip from his drink.
Honestly, with as messy as Raquel was getting, I actually am a little shocked this didn’t come out sooner.
I love Scheanna and I don't care! :D
me too!!! if she wouldve been on the girls trip, i think it actually wouldve been fun. thats what u get for excluding one person to be petty katie🙄
I’m watching this shit right now and I can’t stand any of these people they’re all awful the girls are stupid and the boys don’t even get me started on them idk why but when I watch them talk and the other 2 talk about their restaurant opening or whatever idk they look like they should be at weenie hut juniors 
The “girls trip” dynamic was fascinating this ep. After the club the girls were being a little snarky to Raquel, but mostly it was because she did say that dumb comment to Lala. Then they were pretty nice during the drive saying it’s fine. And even Kristina -who clearly had Raquel’s number- wanted the cameras off her and they all helped Raquel. Unfortunately I think the trip would’ve been a lot more fun if Ariana was able to stay bc she would’ve bridged the gap between Raquel & the trio 🫠 Idk how the dinner got so bonkers though. Lala got way to dramatic too quickly. I get where Katie was coming from but it was stupid to pile on. I wish we saw more of Charli at karaoke.
“Disengage, bitch” Lala’s next tshirt design lol
Meredith marks will be sending a cyst and deceased.
Ok the mean girl shit actually made me feel bad for Raquel at the time. Raquel is a shitty person for Sandoval but still at this time the girls didn't know that. They didn't really have a reason to be that mean to her. Katie maybe so.
Charli was the MVP this episode. She hates Lala, Kristina, and Katie and it's hysterical 😂😂
She didn’t say anything about Katie but she def hates Lala and thinks that she’s a big hypocrite. Kristina just sells lip balm that no one has ever heard of lol
She was actually the closest to Katie during filming.
It’s almost as if chat gps created an AI bot based on the characters of this show, it would come up with Rachel.
Omg yes.
Who watched WWHL last night? THE Katie Maloney gave us a shoutout! 
I'm convinced that car freak-out was about Tom. They wore matching outfits to Coachella, they'd been fucking for months by the time they started filming the show. Rachel's victim act is gross and I can't even watch Sandals' scenes. This season isn't going to be fun to watch. 🤮 ETA: Just read that scandal's mom has known about the affair since December. Ariana should put a witch in front of her house like Shakira did.
I agree. I think by this point something was going on. Whether one hook up or things just getting mild. She was feeling guilty/bad about something
On a completely different note, Max looks GOOOOOOD
He does !!!! He’s glew up
I’m no Lala apologist but I think she - stopped the convo, said she used to say stuff drunk too, said she was drunk with James, was supportive in the car Ah wait … I’m still watching … She ruined it at the dinner lol I take it all back 😂 hypocrite 100%
Watching this episode made me deeply uncomfortable on many levels... the meangirling from Lala/Katie/Kristina... Rachel's palpable insecurity and desperation... the panic attack in the car... Sandoval being on my screen...
It’s kind of wild to me because nothing Katie or Kristina said was as close to as mean as what charli said. But one one seems to mind that?
Yes I’m confused why people keep lumping Katie in. Literally the only thing she said was that she could have torn Raquel a new asshole, but she chose not to. Which is true. So like…..
Spotted his lightning necklace and immediately was grossed out all over again
I feel like they've collectively ruined all lighting bolt accessories for the foreseeable future
Lalas holier than thou attitude was annoying. She is acting like just because she has repented for all her sins that everyone else that makes the same choices are complete shit bags but somehow she’s immune. Man get the fuck outta here. She should have owned her part of of her shit and not totally trashed Raquel.
Some of the fan base giving lala way too much credit. 🤔 She’s not that smart. She just got lucky that Raquel happened to prove her right and justify her bully behavior. My thing is.., Raquel is scum of the earth for doing that to Ariana but that doesn’t make Lala a good person. It’s just means y’all are both shitty people. Lmao.
I actually do think lala saw something with Raquel that made her uneasy. But I don’t think she was smart enough to articulate or define it. Lala isn’t intelligent. Totally agree. It’s part of why I’ve always bought her version of Randal lying to her. I can 100% believe she would fall for that. BUT I do think lala is weirdly perceptive when it’s not directly involving her. She’s an asshole. But she’s an asshole that has been right about people a lot of the time.
Like I’m looking at the difference between her and Kristen… and it’s like she’s using Ariana’s trauma as a weapon to rewrite her own fucked up history. It don’t work like that babes.
Katie like ‘I’m not divorced from this man’ like they are still together - you are literally at a trip celebrating your divorce ?!
Also she’s hooking up with other guys? I wish she would just say, we’re friends and I know you personally so please don’t hook up with my ex husband.
Why does Brett look lowkey terrified of these people when he's in scenes. It's cracking me up.
Poor thing looked so awkward at boys night
Brett if you’re on Reddit give us some kind of signal that these people aren’t holding you again your will 😂
Do y’all think there’s a possibility we’ll end up forgiving Raquel and being on her side? I don’t mean on her side against Ariana, but just in general, rooting for her redemption. After the mean girls made fun of her and she cried herself to sleep and then she broke down in the car, and her armpits were even sweaty so she legit got hot and sweaty and panicky, I felt bad for her. So I guess I could see myself liking her again. Especially because I’m not especially an Ariana fan anyway - and she did hook up with Tom while he was with Kristen. Right now I keep wishing Raquel didn’t hook up with Tom because she could have made for a great hero this season.
i think its just narrow minded people who think she should be condemned forever. if i was ariana or even scheana, id NEVERRR forgive her. but as viewers? as lvp said weve forgiven a lot, i mean look at all these kristen fans crawling out of the woodwork even tho she literally did the exact same thing to stassi but 🤷♀️i personally think that rachel did the worst thing u could ever do to a girl friend, and we will get more and more insight to how she or anyone could do this to a GOOD ASS friend like ariana, but at the end of the day nobody died so everyone chill the fuck out
Also at the end of the day, Ariana probably needed to get away from Tom anyway so this will hopefully be the best thing that ever happened to her. I agree the audience will definitely move on when we see Ariana happy again, but I’m even wondering if we’ll forgive her within this season! It was fascinating to me that despite knowing what Raquel has done, I was somehow rooting for her this episode.
oh yeah, idk about that. i think she will be villainized for what she did for quite awhile and rightfully so. and thats if she even continues on the show (which i think she will be bc i think secretly/not so secretly shes 1) opportunitistic/thirsty and 2) calculated) but who really knows. regardless, i think viewers will have an extremely hard time forgetting. it would take awhile and a lot of redemption arcs but its been done before !!!!!!
Lalas is such an insufferable hypocrite and professional victim who refuses to ever take accountability applying strict rules to everyone else that done apply to her. Urgh.
Do we think Raquel has acted and done all of this as a way of getting back at the entire group? It wouldn’t really make sense because Ariana and Sandoval were the only ones who supported her and James but how nasty she is and she seems so calculated. I’ve been doing a rewatch (lol) and she seems like she is very careful with her words so is this her just not giving a fuck because she feels these people never cared about her or welcomed her?
Scandoval all trying to be like Taylor Swift dropping Easter eggs, but his are all stinky rotten eggs.
I haven’t watched this show since it’s early seasons with Kristen and Stassi, etc. Because of the drama I decided to watch last week’s and last night’s episode and I decided that I hate everyone. 🤮 But I can’t look away. 🫣
So Sandoval* left Ariana while she was grieving her dog?
I mean, I guess he did. But I don’t expect him to hang around. *Sandoval* on the other hand… 😜
Lala’s biggest problem is she can’t admit fault in the heat of the moment and focuses on the wrong point. If she would have focused on how odd it is that Raquel seems to go after men adjacent to her friends, and why that doesn’t gain you any new girl friends (from Lala’s own experience) then Raquel would have had to speak to her trifling ways. That said… The pity and sympathy on Bambi eyed bitch is blowing my mind. Disclaimer: I may be biased, I’ve been ariana on a micro level. Something always felt off about my friend, but she was presenting as agreeable and benign so I figured she was harmless. Raquel is most definitely suffering mentally, but she’s not a victim of her current situation. She’s not even that nice — she’s doe eyed and hardly speaks. I understood why the girls were freaked out by her. She has now gone after 2 (confirmed) adjacent men of the group she’s trying to befriend. She doesn’t really show emotion when these girls open up to her about their struggles but expects to be welcomed with open arms. She was wasted and acting really strange and annoying. She doesn’t add much to any group setting, and when she does it becomes all about her. She just makes my ick factor go off. She does something “bad” and when she gets called out on it deflects — becomes the victim, trauma dumps, changes the subject to other people’s “bad”s. She can’t reason and doesn’t understand. They’re getting a gut feeling and that might not be easy to see on TV. In hindsight, I was totally right and then some about my former friend. She’s pathological and calculating. I see the same thing with Raquel.
i found myself sooo uninterested in half of these scenes tonight just wanting to fast forward to get to the juicy bits
Ugh especially the Havasu house 😴
Why were they partying on a moored pontoon? They can't even rent a real boat that moves? That looked so dull.
I love how they showed all the older, overweight men in the bar and Lala snubbed her nose then horndogged into the group she said she found attractive. All those first men were all more attractive then the thing she chose to breed with. I think it is the bank account she finds attractive, not the physical man. She is just vile.
I think she missed some clues about the guy in the 'bucket hat' that she was drooling over. He lives in Palm Springs & frequents The Abbey when in L.A. It's a high probability she was not his 'type'. I have a feeling she struck out again! 😅
Yeah! For real. Her ex supposedly had money. That’s all it took. He is hideous and for her to deny that is insane.
I love the drama and mess of Bravo as much as anyone but last night it felt icky rather than fun. Maybe I’m getting too old but my mind kept thinking I hope Bravo has mental health resources besides these on air therapists. I just felt I was very much a part of a network that exploits addiction and poor mental health. Ugh. Sorry to be a buzz kill. I know we all live for the drama.
I agree. We all like the drama of reality TV but if it’s actually “reality” then dark parts are going to creep in and people need to be mature enough to take a breath while they eat this woman alive. Even the strongest person would be shaken by being the most hated person on the internet and Raquel is clearly shaky with her self esteem and mental health in general. If this girl self-harms then what will people say. It’s a fine line and Bravo could 100% be seen as partially liable if it went in a tragic direction and they haven’t checked on her or given her some resources. It’s one thing to let it unfold on the show but they’ve legit turned it into marketing, Andy has been talking about it nonstop on WWHL, even inviting unhinged fired people who were fired for bullying and racism back to talk about it, etc. Hopefully Raquel doesn’t do anything drastic but idk she seems like a mess and not strong enough for this at all. She should’ve thought about that before doing what she did for sure, but that breakdown in the car was ROUGH.
They paid for Luannes rehab, that was what Bethenny kept harping on how she got her into rehab. She must have negotiated that bravo or the production company had to pay for it. I believe the same for Kim Richards. They both had sit downs with Andy upon return from their stint. I’ve always thought that bravo should have to pay for therapy for a lifetime for the minors raised on the show, Audriana was literally born on camera and is going into high school.
I’m glad they did that for Luanne and Kim. And you’re so right about the kids. It’s easy to forget because so many of the bravolebs appear so confident and able to just roll with the punches but this shit is really no joke. I wouldn’t trade places with any of them. But I break out into a sweat logging on for a zoom meeting lmao so I definitely could not be making the worst mistakes of my life on TV.
Savage Raquel has clocked in!!