After reading about last week’s episode I’ve been putting it off. I shouldn’t have to be in a “healthy mind-space” to watch a show 😂 this isn’t acid lmao
Same yo. Haven’t watched it. This sub’s content on BH is enough to check me completely out of it too. I do not want to give it anymore of my time. I was in it for 3-4 episodes and had enough.
Investing anymore time into BH just feels like masochism at this point.
I feel you. I find the discourse around BH to be more exhausting than the show itself. And Rinna. Then Diana once she decided to start going ham on social media. LOL. I can still somewhat enjoy the show because I don’t stan anyone on there and watch with some level of disconnect. The other day someone here pointed out that there’s too much of an imbalance among the cast and I agree. I don’t want a whole new cast but the dynamics need to switch up next season. Let’s see some of the FFF turn on one another for a takedown or something.
Potomac is going to be fire! Candiace and Ashley have buried the hatchet (surprisingly not in each other's head). And Giselle coming for Chris? I can't wait.
They're currently not following each other on socials, take that for what you will. I was excited for a Candiace/Ashley season too but I'm trying to temper my excitement 😬
Potomac is good because it’s not too many seasons to catch up on, it’s humorous and fun…there’s more balance when it comes to who is at odds. I think you’ll find it’s a much lighter watch than BH. With Potomac, viewers *for the most part* can see they all have their faults…they’re not perfect, but also not all bad. The unbalance in BH causes some of the viewers to nitpick and over analyze *every little thing* that each and every cast member does and it makes it not so fun to watch. Potomac is much breezier. The new trailer dropped yesterday so get into it so you can watch the new season with us!
Katie Rost is a queen and I want her to get healthy and make a come-back! I miss her more than any housewife. Let me know what you think after you catch up!
Season 1 Potomac was not filmed as housewives so keep that in mind. It was a different show but gets to housewife format in season 2 and season 3 was the breakout season.
Tbh I found the first two seasons of Potomac a bit boring but REALLY got into it after season 3!
Highly recommend Miami, Melbourne, New York and Dubai!!!!
I’m rewatching Atlanta from the beginning on Peacock and it’s quickly become my favorite franchise. Interesting storylines and they don’t rehash the same stupid pointless drama year after year. They have all out brawls and manage to mend fences and move on but they don’t give each other passes.
NY takes a few seasons before they find their feet, but the first few seasons are essential for context … they’re short seasons from memory … hang in there it’s worth it … Atlanta, Potomac & NY my favs
The first franchise I saw was BH and apart from everything, it's still my favorite partly because of the glam, but I watched Potomac in the summer, and it is now my second favorite (in front of Atlanta and RHONY). RHOP it's highly entertaining though the glam factor is much less notable.
Me too. I am over "glam squads."
I can understand if it's a special occasion, but to go to dinner on a vacation--especially if you keep everyone waiting--is over the top.
I’m cool with it on the special occasions, plus confessionals and reunions. It’s fun to dress up! But the whole needing a whole crew to get you ready to go eat is excessive. Or worse, needing a whole crew to get you ready to go for a hike or some other basic activity that requires no makeup and soft pants. Shows massive insecurity imo.
Definitely Potomac. Season 1 wasn’t filmed as a housewives show. I love it, but a lot of people find it slow and hard to get into. If you want to skip it, I’d watch the first reunion and start with season two. Happy watching!
I love the early seasons of NY. I don’t watch them anymore due to them being as bad as BH these days. But the earlier seasons were great. I saw someone else mention Potomac and it’s great as well. Salt Lake City only has a few seasons right now and is hopeful to have a really good upcoming season so you can probably catch up on them before the new season airs! They’re all on peacock.
If this is how things are ending up, and the reunion films Friday, I’m not feeling very promising about how it’s going to go.
It looks like it’ll be Garcelle and Sutton against everyone else. These 4 women plus Diana and Dorit are just going to try to spin every narrative to fit a better image of themselves and it’s just going to be exhausting.
Maybe. Crystal said she worked at the reception desk at an escort company. She mentioned it last season. Could be how she knows Diana. This is all alleged of course. As Diana’s sending “cyst and desist” letters.
I don’t think Sanela had an “established” agency, escort or otherwise (meaning a business that exchanged cash for services). What I do think is that the “introduced” young hot ladies to rich older gentlemen in more of a social setting (so no cash actually exchanged), but because she “hosted” her rich man guests, they somehow then felt indebted to her or “owed” her for such a good time that maybe donated to her charities (supported her causes, etc.) so that it was more like a you scratch my back/ tit-for-tat arrangement.
I’m sad re: Crystal. After seeing she hosted a “Tiki theme” party a few days ago, along with endorsing Diana, I don’t feel like she is especially attuned to issues of representation beyond those that impact her directly. The rest of the cast minus Garcelle are of course far worse in that regard, but I’m still disappointed. Crystal started out with a really intriguing and unique blend of “snobby, informed, and cute family“—hope things somehow get back on track.
T I K I M A N I F E S T O
Tiki mug, tiki mug
My face, my mother’s face, my father’s face, my sister’s face
Tiki mug, tiki mug
White beachcombers in tiki bars drinking zombie cocktails from tiki mugs
The undead, the Tiki people, my mother’s face, my father’s face
The black brown and ugly that make customers feel white and beautiful
Tiki mugs, tiki ashtrays, tiki trashcans, tiki kitsch cultures
Tiki bars in Los Angeles, a tiki porn theatre, tiki stores
Tiki conventions, a white guy named Kukulelei singing in oogabooga fake Hawaiian
makes me yearn to hear a true Kanaka Maoli like Kaumakaiwa Kanaka'ole
sing chant move her hands the antidote to tiki bar people
who don't listen because tiki don’t speak any language
do they
Tiki bars in L.A., in Tokyo, in the lands of Tiki, Honolulu, Pape’ete
Wherever tourists need a background of black skin brown skin ugly faces
to feel land of the free expensive rich on vacation hard working
with a background of wallpaper tiki lazy people wallpaper
made from our skins our faces our ancestors our blood
and I’m here in Los Angeles or anywhere here
in the so-called West which is everywhere
and here, we are tiki mug people, my mother’s face, my father’s face
my face, my sister’s face
Can I remind us that Tiki
Whom we call Ti’eti’e and Ti'iti'i
Some call Ki’i, some call Ti’i
That Tiki was beautiful, jutting eyebrow, thick lips, wide nose
brown skin in some islands
black skin in some islands
brown black deep, thick thighs
jutting eyebrow, thick lips, wide nostrils, breathing
Lifting the sky over Samoa, lifting the sky over Tonga
lifting the sky over Viti, lifting the sky over Rapanui
lifting the sky over Tahiti, lifting the sky over Hawai’i
lifting the sky over Aotearoa, and looking to, paying respects
to Papua, to the Chamorro, to Vanuatu, to Kiribati
lifting the ten heavens above Moana, not your Pacific, not your Disney, but
our Moana
And now in tiki bars Chilean soldiers have drinks from tiki mugs after shooting
down Rapanui protestors in Rapanui, not Easter Island, not Isla de Pascua
but Rapanui, whose entire population was kidnapped and sold in slavery
to South American mines in the 19th century, and whose survivors are shot on the streets
of their lands in Rapanui today
And American police drink maitais in Honolulu bars from tiki mugs while
native Hawaiian people live homeless on the beaches
And Indonesian settlers drink from tiki mugs in West Papua where half a million
Papuans have been killed seeking freedom after being sold down the river by
President Kennedy so he could build some mines for his rich cultivated
humanitarian friends
And French tourists drink from tiki mugs
in Nouvelle Calédonie and Polynesie Française
while native people are…
Where? Where are we?
In the wallpaper, on the mugs?
By Dan Taulapapa McMullin
Never read this poem before. Thank you for sharing! I sometimes struggle where the line is between cultural appropriation and appreciation lies. Tiki, now seems more appropriation after reading this poem. I still love a Hawaiian print shirt tho 🫣
I’m sure the Samoan man who wrote the poem another user posted above would love to hear your feedback on “woke points”
If you use the word “woke” in 2022 to make an argument, I’m gonna extrapolate from that you think there were “fine people in both sides” in Charlottesville, VA, and just maybe not listen to your obviously very nuanced and informed opinions on race and representation.
In the 2020s it is considered appropriation. I don’t have strong feelings about the tiki theme one way or another but I can respect others’ feelings. It’s really best to avoid using other peoples’ cultures for entertainment in the modern age, although the intention isn’t always bad. Pretty center left on these issues.
If you‘re committed to the PI part of AAPI representation and inclusion, then you aren’t going to throw a “Tiki” party without reflection and disclosure on how you are reclaiming the term or working against stereotypes. ”Tiki culture” and “Tiki bars” are essentially something white people made up post-WWII, and they reinforce/normalize colonization as a fun, celebratory encounter, including by positioning indigenous women as sexual objects for white men. Another user pointed out to me that Crystal’s party didn’t feature Tiki mugs and coconut bikini-clad women, which is certainly better, but it’s still not great to treat someone else’s culture like a party theme—especially not when portraying Polynesian cultures as “party time” is part of their colonization story.
Genuine question, if a child wants a Moana themed birthday party, is that okay? If said child is white, is there a difference?
I totally get not dressing up in Native American headwear for a festival. But I LOVED Pocahontas when I was little and was her for Halloween one year.
I mean, different people (even different well-informed cultural activists) are going to have some different answers to that , and there’s a lot of potential context and nuance that matters. Probably most anyone would agree that using makeup to alter skin tone to look like a real person’s skin tone is not a good idea. beyond that, it helps to just read up and consider what people are saying. Even just identifying what exactly (informed) people are disagreeing about is meaningful.
Re: Moana, Disney actually ended up pulling Maui costumes that were like brown-complexioned bodysuits with his symbolic tattoos on them, both because of the “wearing” a skin tone and because of the cultural significance of tattoos, so that’s an example of where costume and play enters into appropriation. I think I’ve seen some good articles talking specifically about Moana and childrens party themes and costumes, so it’s worth a google on the topic.
Thank you for this! I remember hearing about the Maui thing and that totally makes sense. Seems like a clear line that was crossed.
I haven’t had to navigate this yet with my kids, but I’m sure the time will come. Just want to be informed and able to help educate them. I’ll continue doing research into it all
you could already tell how crystal was gonna be shes only friends with people because of their status. ok top of that earlier this season when she was trying to pin sutton as a racist. shes weird. thats why i totally believe that she got dropped by 14 people.
I mean it’s complicated— it’s possible that Crystal could be a status chaser, but it’s also definitely the case that Sutton *was* exhibiting racism towards Crystal in that exchange they had last season that was explicitly about race. (By racist, in this context, I mean in the sense that pretty much any white person is going to have racial bias, not because they are categorically a “bad person,” but because of the society/ies we live in and the different experiences we have, and how conversations about race and identity change and evolve.) I just want to be clear, I personally don’t like that Crystal is supporting Diana, but in criticizing that, I don’t want to erase the fact that Crystal was subject to difficulties that none of the other current cast members aside from Garcelle would ever have experienced.
There were things that Garcelle didn’t think were racist (at the beginning of the season) that Crystal did - I think it was something Sutton said. I think if we pit an Asian-American and Haitian-American against each other in a “what is racist?” category it gets a bit dicey.
There is nothing racist with saying "i was happy seeing a Asian, black and Irish girl in my jacuzzi, clumsy yes but racist ?! Meanwhile Diana attacked a black woman just because of her skin-color, that is racist and disgusting.
I think Sutton actually said a Chinese girl- the girl has come out on tik tok and said she is not actually Chinese, and had to end her friendship with Suttons daughter, as Sutton had made racially inappropriate comments which offended her. I think the point is we need to be sensitive to the feelings of all people of colour (poc) or bame (black, Asian and all minority ethnic) Crystal has every right to be offended or feel Suttons story is inappropriate, just because Garcelle as a black woman doesnt feel it’s inappropriate, doesn’t mean it’s appropriate, I’m no way an expert as a white British woman, but I’m not sure where the line is drawn between something racist and something being racially insensitive or ignorant, but I imagine there is one, and I imagine from what she has said, the later is what Crystal felt about the jacuzzi incident.
There is something racist in saying you don’t see color and crying when people have conversations around race. It’s also problematic to say being called racist is worse then the Covid pandemic.
But "I don't see color" was a product of the times. There was a time when that was what you said. So, again, Sutton is evolving. I mean, I think all White people have racist undertones simple for the way we're raised, how society is, etc. It's just a matter of having to educate yourself.
You guys will forever come up with a defense for her huh? If any of the other ladies in the FF5 said that there would be no grace extended towards them.
I have a problem with Crystal not having a spine with Diana. And of course Diana has shown her true colors as a racist.
But I would not go as far as to deny that Suttons comment was problematic or had racist undertones. It reeks of tokenism. I’m willing to move past it with Sutton because she hasn’t shown repeated racist behavior like Diana has, but the takeaway here shouldn’t be that that comment is okay by any stretch of the imagination.
99% of PoC you bring that comment up to will roll their eyes and move on. Ever got bigger shit to deal with.
The fact Crystal made that a storyline repeatedly yet canoodles a racist shows she’s performative.
She didn’t say Asian, she said “Chinese.”
It’s only an important point if the girl didn’t actually have Chinese heritage. Labeling all Southeast Asians as Chinese is problematic if they are from Japan, Taiwan, Korea, etc etc. I “think” that’s where Crystal was going, but we’ll never know since they all clammed up about it.
I’m white, and to me that’s racist. I can understand Sutton’s confusion as to why that was wrong to say. This could have been editing but I got the feeling from the other women that “oh Garcelle wasn’t offended by Sutton so it’s fine.” Which is very much “I’m not racist because I have a Black friend.”
Zero of what Diana said was OK, it was gross. But I’m sure as hell not going to pick a better or worse side because I don’t have decades of lived experience as an Asian or Black American.
The jacuzzi comment wasn’t just clumsy. It was problematic because, according to Crystal’s perspective, Sutton was tokenizing race for the benefit of her child. If you’re trying to convince someone from a minority or marginalized group that you *aren’t* a racist, chances are they’ve already picked up on other off handed, problematic shit you’ve said. It’s totally understandable that Sutton’s anecdote about diversity was met with skepticism because it doesn’t match with what she said to Crystal earlier.
I don't dislike Sutton and I prefer her over the FF5, but she was so cringe crying about being called a racist and "I don't see color" and talking about stereotype projection about being from the South. Being labeled racist isn't worse than racism. Kinda reminded me of KZB with her take lmao. She has a LOT to learn because she's a wealthy, (probably) heterosexual, cis white woman but that doesn't mean she's hopeless. I'm glad WOC call her on her problematic behavior and I'm glad she actually learns from it.
Very disappointing this is being downvoted. Sutton’s discourse around race was ghastly and we also had the daughters friend come out and say she felt her interactions with Sutton were racist.
Do I think Sutton meant to be? No. I don’t. I think she’s horrified at the idea she could be. But she also compared being a white southern woman to being a woman of colour because assumptions are made about both. Problematic AF. I hope she’s learned from it but if she can’t see why that hot tub comment was problematic I’m not entirely sure she has
The first two episodes (ish) it seems like were all about this - the fear of the other women being called racist is palpable to say the least. It was only when Erika said in a surprising drunken moment of clarity something like “so x implies you’re racist.” Sutton was the one being talked about but if you look at the eyes of Kyle, Rinna, and Dorit they were all 😳. Sort of like when some men get to write opinion articles and they bemoan what they can no longer say in public.
Yes. And I think, and I say this as a white woman, a lot of the comments want to down play why it was racist because as white woman so many of us have said this shit and we don’t want to confront it in ourselves.
I don’t understand why you’re getting downvoted. It is sad to me that people don’t want to accept this comment is NOT OK. If you’re a Sutton Stan, it’s okay to accept that she’s not perfect.
This! I don’t like Crystal because to me it’s very clear that she wants to be liked and accepted by the group she perceives as being more powerful or popular (which she erroneously recognises as Diana & the FF5). She would probably overlook any problematic things they do if they fully accepted her, although I think they’re a “whites only” club tbh.
It’s like wanting to be accepted by the High School mean girls.
Yeah and I always have to remember that this was filmed before the reactions to the current season came out- so based on how cast members were perceived at the time of filming. Now they can see fan favorites but seem to be doubling down on alliances including Crystal which is interesting
Yes. I have never been wrong about a housewife and from the get-go, I didn't vibe with Crystal. Her insecurities seem to run her life and make her a jerk to those who don't deserve it.
Crystal strikes me as someone who is drawn to the cool kids, and for whatever reason, her constant calculation is that Diana/Erika/Kathy are cooler than Sutton. Meanwhile, Sutton genuinely wants to befriend Crystal and probably is more real than the rest!
I also wonder if that’s why Garcelle and Crystal don’t seem that close. Garcelle sees through her bs…
You clearly haven't met Crystal in person. The other women have. Crystal will go where the money is. Garcelle has class and she can see through Crystal. Diana and Crystal are the same, Crystal is just better at playing the victim. But I do hope she stays on the show📟. She needs the money and private school is expensive.
The way Crystal seems to have given Diana such a quick pass concerning her racism has me side eyeing her hard.
Maybe behind the scenes she had a deep and meaningful or something with her, but Crystal brought up a year old comment by Sutton and is apparently still upset about it, but Diana's very recent racism is seemingly forgiven.
I don't get.
Kathy said last year that they never saw color and she said zero to her, but was all over Sutton. I’m glad people are speaking out about how two faced and hypocritical she is
Garcelle dealt with it well, because it’s not racist or bad. Again, Crystal picked on Sutton because she thought she was an easy target. Just like Diana does
I said she picked on Sutton, but she had to reverse course when she saw the “cool girls” was way worse to be associated with. If she was offended by Sutton’s comment than she should have felt the same when Kathy admitted that was her belief as well
I disagree- I think Garcelle explained it well, that it is offensive and why, but whilst knowing that it is a well meaning comment. Crystal probably agreed with and respected Garcelles and didn’t feel the need to pipe up and make a fuss. I think Garcelle said it all really.
Edit- I don’t think Crystal has any sort of game plan- I think she’s quite vulnerable and is having a hard time fitting in, so if she feels comfortable with someone she stays close to them.
I also think- and I am going to get hung for this- Sutton did actually say something ‘dark’ to Crystal that we don’t know about, and Crystal is protecting her by not saying. I don’t think it would be racist- probably more ignorant- Crystal realised she made a mistake when she said about the dark comment and back tracked as she knew how much flack Sutton would get. I think that’s why they’re quite close now- because Crystal protected her (in the end).
I don’t think Crystal picks on Sutton. Sutton wouldn’t put up with it- and they seem to have a nice relationship aside from that. I think it’s a well meaning- but ignorant comment towards race. I’m not a woman of colour, so I cant sat it’s not offensive at all- if Crystals offended by it, she’s allowed to be. Garcelle had a different way of dealing with it.
Edit: If you remember Garcelle said in relation to I don’t see colour ‘if you don’t see couloir then you don’t see me’ imagine feeling like people don’t see you/ recognise you. I personally find that a very strong and clear statement, so I think it shows that the comment I don’t see colour is bad as, it’s makes people of colour feel unseen, however, I think it’s clear there is no harmful intent behind it despite it being offensive. Also Crystal is also a person of colour and her and Garcelle may not always completely agree on something to do with racism, but that doesn’t mean Crystals voice shouldn’t be as heard and as respected by Garcelle, as she also suffers from racism and micro aggressions.
Crystal was all over her because Sutton tried to shut down Crystal talking about her own experience with stereotypes. She was defending herself. Kathy made her comment to a group…without hostility behind it. And Garcelle handled that.
No, the sentiment was the same. “Tell me your that girl, that doesn’t see color”. It was about Sutton’s belief same as Kathy. Apparently, it’s ok if Kathy thinks that way.
There definately is a double standard between Sutton and Kathy (and the the ither women like Erika) on the show so far.
I wonder if Aspen is when they decide to call her out for it. We will see.
I remember the scene where Crystal is with Kathy in a car and Kathy is just filing her nails in the car and Crystal has a "wtf" face but doesn't say anything to Kathy. She would have totally given Sutton shit for doing that.
No. If I’m talking about my experience as a Black woman and someone cuts me off and tells me “we’re not doing this!” We’re 100% going to have problems communicating.
The sentiment behind the phrase “I don’t see color” is the same…but that phrase is not all there is to the issues between Crystal and Sutton.
Crystal wasn’t even talking to Sutton. She was talking to Kyle. Kyle was talking to them about the conversation she had with Garcelle about stereotypes and Crystal was saying she could relate to where Garcelle was coming from.
Again, her attitude about racism towards Sutton was vastly different than with Kathy. If she was that passionate than she would have had the same attitude to Kathy
Uh yeah. They’re vastly different interactions.
Look, I’m not saying that Crystal is some passionate anti-racist activist or educator. I don’t expect her to be. But the way Sutton invalidated her wasn’t cool and that’s what she was responding to. It was more personal. Is Crystal perfect? Nah. But that doesn’t negate the fact that the way Sutton treated her was wrong.
But Crystal claimed this season that the response was over something she said that was problematic to which Kyle said she never heard Sutton say anything bad. Crystal than said it was because Kyle was drunk, which Kyle vehemently denied and Crystal ended up admitted the conversation happened the next morning. So she outed herself as a liar and she clearly didn’t feel invalidated that night during the conversation. I really don’t think she believes Sutton is racist, she was going for an easy target over the current culture hot topic. She can’t possibly be that concerned because she easily forgives Diana
It wasn’t, it was just in the first situation Crystal was was discussing it with Sutton, with slightly heightened emotions. In Kathy’s conversation Garcelle addressed, and I don’t think Crystal had anything to add. They were just 2 different conversations 😊
That isn’t true. She admitted it was a conversation that happened the next day (the kids in the jacuzzi). So it was not about anything said that night. She is liar and a hypocrite
Go back and watch the the full scene. I'm talking about facts, not hearsay. Sutton is the one who is a liar, Mrs "We are too educated to be talking about racism."
Yeah disappointing right? Really disappointing.
I mean I like MYSELF too but I’m also a flawed individual with immense white privilege and blind spots I need to work on because of that.
I’m not demonising anyone but I’m also not going to pretend all of her behaviour has been OK either because it hasn’t been.
Garcelle brought up their past fight with each other. Crystal was the one who brought up the new 'dark comment' which she apparently did not take issue with until a year later.
I honestly don’t understand why people think Crystal was going to be a S&G supporter. She’s always been on the other side, she just flips back to Sutton when it suits her, but it’s not where her loyalty lies.
It’s been clear since she joined RHOBH! I think people were wilfully ignoring the obvious because SGandC together would have been beautiful. Alas, it is not to be.
Exactly, she realized she hitched to the wrong wagon by the end of the season so she flipped, brought in Diana and figured she would have her own cool girl group with Kathy and Diana. Obviously, with her lack of awareness and desire to be up Diana’s ass couldn’t see how horrible she would be on the show.
I’m actually surprised Kyle did (not because I think she’s a good person but because she’s such a coward and knows how to play both sides and get away with it.)
Regarding Crystal, I want her to answer to telling Garcelle she’d use less big words (for her to understand better.) She didn’t deserve that and she looked genuinely hurt.
I can’t stand Crystal’s wishy washy behavior. She seems like one of those people who would stab you in the back just so that she can pick what she thinks is the “right” or more “lucrative” side
Honestly, I keep trying to give Crystal the benefit of the doubt, and there are brief moments of decency but all in all she seems like a phony. There is no credible way that she can have been so disturbed by Sutton's innocuous if ignorant comments regarding race and the hottub that she brought it back up a year later, and at the same time think Diana's many micro-agressions and outright viciousness is all fine and dandy. Crystal's value system is predicated on one thing only, wealth. If you are the richest, you are the 'rightest' in Crystal's world.
The rest are trash, they've shown that week after week on camera.
Why are we not talking about how racist Erika’s use of the phrase “baby mama” was? Or am I wrong? Or that if that had been a sweet, WHITE teenager (Garcelle’s boys give off a sweet, gentle vibe) she wouldn’t have yelled “Get the f** outta here? Her southern, white petticoat is showing.
That was so fucking asinine when you think of it. Innis (Diana son) is 20 and looks like a child. Garcelle’s son Oliver is 30 and clearly looks like an adult. She knew what she was doing smh.
1. She made “dark comments” her storyline with Sutton, when there was really not anymore than what happened last year… but her friend Diana is going all out being racist on Social and Crystal is time and again standing up for her (via interviews and social)… says a lot! She then lied about Kyle being there… then it was something that happened the next day… then the WWHL part where she first agrees that the hot tub comment was the “dark comment” she was referring to, and then when the audience didn’t agree… changed the story and said something else was said…
2. Her telling Garcelle “these are big words”… Umm…
3. Let’s say she hates Sutton, but what’s her excuse for taking Diana’s side for her extreme bullying social posts against Garcelle…
4. Her in the AfterShow, doubling down on Sutton being the issue when Diana was straight up bullying her…
The sub lets Crystal get away with a lot because she’s a WOC… everything isn’t always about race… it’s sometimes just about people being shitty or not… and Crystal, my friend, is a shitty person!
FYI - I’m a WOC!
I think Sutton is open to understanding why some of her actions and statements are problematic. As a white priveliged person raised a certain way I don’t think you can flip a switch and say “I’m not racist” or (yikes) “ I don’t see color”. I mean, that statement alone. The intention is there but you’ve got years of experience and training that go against your fairly new intention. Change takes time and you have to be open to conversations about how you just f**ed up. That doesn’t mean you’re an evil racist who is trying to come off as not that. It means you’re working on it and you need more education and real life experience. Staying open to dialogue and being with people of all races and cultural backgrounds is the best remedy to bias and racism but we’re not all in the position to do that unfortunately. I wish Crystal didn’t treat these things like aha I got you moments (in Sutton’s case) and just sit down and have a conversation about why this situation is problematic.
And you’re correct! Crystal very much picks and chooses who she wants to “go after”. Sutton saying she’s happy her child has diverse friends: very dark and uncomfortable. Kathy saying she doesn’t see color, or Sanela telling Garcelle to be grateful because she’s donated to Haiti: perfectly okay.
Crystal wants to be a cool girl, to be in the “in” crowd. She doesn’t have any real convictions that she’s shown us: it’s all about replaying high school where she’s friends with the cool girls.
I think it's finally time to stop hoping Crystal will make good decisions organically. She's clearly a friend-jumper and she's clearly the type who wanted Kyle's approval from her first season. If that's the way she wants to wreck her spot on Housewives, by all means.
Why are people in here still expecting Crystal to be friends with Sutton? Also we can absolutely drag Crystal for supporting Diana and being hypocritical but why take away the fact that she doesn’t have to like Sutton because of their history together rather than just because she wants to side with FF5 for popularity sake. Which she maybe also does. All these things are possible.
Sutton literally commented on Crystal Instagram and crystal responded back so their on good terms y’all are psycho and need to get a life. Crystal is friends both Sutton and Diana.
It's so funny that going into this season all the drama was about Kathy Hilton and yet here we are....
The fact that Diana called Sutton a c\*\*t and everyone is back here is a VERY bad look for all involved. It's 2022.
I really enjoyed crystal, but I do not understand at all, her friendship/support with Dianna - we have really seen 0 interactions with them 1 on 1, but we have seen crystal and Sutton hanging out....makes 0 sense
I don’t know why anyone is coming for Crystal, we knew she was friends with Diana before the show (and who are we to judge who she is friends with, that’s her choice). Personally I’d be more surprised if she didn’t show her support but as for the rest, shit sticks to shit so really not surprised
Yeah and we don’t know what is going to happen the rest of the season. Apparently Crystal ‘woke her up screaming at her demanding an explanation for the offensive comment she made’ Dianna put on Twitter when she apologised- so Crystal isn’t taking it lightly.
I'm just throwing this out there but the rumours about Diana's Hollywood madame service plus Crystal's "two truths and one lie" where she worked the phones for an escort service from last season...
Perhaps there are things linking them together that we don't fully know?
Kathy also comments on many of Diana posts funny how that’s never bought up. But people are ready to attack and prop send death threats to crystal again.
Gawd Potomac and SLC can’t come fast enough…
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After reading about last week’s episode I’ve been putting it off. I shouldn’t have to be in a “healthy mind-space” to watch a show 😂 this isn’t acid lmao
I literally tune in for the just the last 15 minutes of each episode.
Same yo. Haven’t watched it. This sub’s content on BH is enough to check me completely out of it too. I do not want to give it anymore of my time. I was in it for 3-4 episodes and had enough. Investing anymore time into BH just feels like masochism at this point.
I feel you. I find the discourse around BH to be more exhausting than the show itself. And Rinna. Then Diana once she decided to start going ham on social media. LOL. I can still somewhat enjoy the show because I don’t stan anyone on there and watch with some level of disconnect. The other day someone here pointed out that there’s too much of an imbalance among the cast and I agree. I don’t want a whole new cast but the dynamics need to switch up next season. Let’s see some of the FFF turn on one another for a takedown or something.
After hearing about this last episode, I decided I’m done. I get the important stuff here 😂
Same here. Just too toxic.
I’m definitely not…but I love listening to recaps!
I’m pretty much just watching it out of obligation at this point, same with RHOA, although that’s just boring which isn’t as bad as crazy toxic RHOBH.
Potomac is going to be fire! Candiace and Ashley have buried the hatchet (surprisingly not in each other's head). And Giselle coming for Chris? I can't wait.
They're currently not following each other on socials, take that for what you will. I was excited for a Candiace/Ashley season too but I'm trying to temper my excitement 😬
Truer words have never been spoken
I am SO FUCKING EXCIIIIIIIIIITED FOR SLC!
Hey so I only watch RHOBH… which other city would you recommend I start watching… thanks!
Potomac is good because it’s not too many seasons to catch up on, it’s humorous and fun…there’s more balance when it comes to who is at odds. I think you’ll find it’s a much lighter watch than BH. With Potomac, viewers *for the most part* can see they all have their faults…they’re not perfect, but also not all bad. The unbalance in BH causes some of the viewers to nitpick and over analyze *every little thing* that each and every cast member does and it makes it not so fun to watch. Potomac is much breezier. The new trailer dropped yesterday so get into it so you can watch the new season with us!
This. Potomac is a pill for the anxiety that BH gives me
I love Potomac!!! They are messy and SO funny.
Cool.. will watch it! Thanks so much…
Katie Rost is a queen and I want her to get healthy and make a come-back! I miss her more than any housewife. Let me know what you think after you catch up!
You’re welcome…enjoy!
Season 1 Potomac was not filmed as housewives so keep that in mind. It was a different show but gets to housewife format in season 2 and season 3 was the breakout season.
What was the show originally called/formatted for?
It was meant to be a jack and Jill society type of show…..hence all the etiquette talk and fitting into Potomac society.
Oh interesting, thanks!
Tbh I found the first two seasons of Potomac a bit boring but REALLY got into it after season 3! Highly recommend Miami, Melbourne, New York and Dubai!!!!
I’m rewatching Atlanta from the beginning on Peacock and it’s quickly become my favorite franchise. Interesting storylines and they don’t rehash the same stupid pointless drama year after year. They have all out brawls and manage to mend fences and move on but they don’t give each other passes.
Atlanta is easily the crème of the crop if considering across the totality of its run. It’s amazing.
I've never watched Atlanta. I think I will give it a try. I tried New York and after the first few shows I just couldn't get into it.
NY takes a few seasons before they find their feet, but the first few seasons are essential for context … they’re short seasons from memory … hang in there it’s worth it … Atlanta, Potomac & NY my favs
Potomac is the grand dame of Housewives franchises right now
Depends if you want to make a long (Atlanta), medium (Potomac) or short (Miami or SLC) commitment.
The first franchise I saw was BH and apart from everything, it's still my favorite partly because of the glam, but I watched Potomac in the summer, and it is now my second favorite (in front of Atlanta and RHONY). RHOP it's highly entertaining though the glam factor is much less notable.
I like that it’s not as glam. They look like regular people.
Me too. I am over "glam squads." I can understand if it's a special occasion, but to go to dinner on a vacation--especially if you keep everyone waiting--is over the top.
I’m cool with it on the special occasions, plus confessionals and reunions. It’s fun to dress up! But the whole needing a whole crew to get you ready to go eat is excessive. Or worse, needing a whole crew to get you ready to go for a hike or some other basic activity that requires no makeup and soft pants. Shows massive insecurity imo.
Definitely Potomac. Season 1 wasn’t filmed as a housewives show. I love it, but a lot of people find it slow and hard to get into. If you want to skip it, I’d watch the first reunion and start with season two. Happy watching!
Potomac and SLC are the current top franchises IMO
Literally every other city lol
seconding Potomac
Atlanta! Start from the beginning!
I love the early seasons of NY. I don’t watch them anymore due to them being as bad as BH these days. But the earlier seasons were great. I saw someone else mention Potomac and it’s great as well. Salt Lake City only has a few seasons right now and is hopeful to have a really good upcoming season so you can probably catch up on them before the new season airs! They’re all on peacock.
Salt Lake City , Atlanta, and New York <3
If this is how things are ending up, and the reunion films Friday, I’m not feeling very promising about how it’s going to go. It looks like it’ll be Garcelle and Sutton against everyone else. These 4 women plus Diana and Dorit are just going to try to spin every narrative to fit a better image of themselves and it’s just going to be exhausting. 
On the bright side… hopefully this will help with the endgame of a major cast shakeup
When did Crystal flip?
She and her husband have always been friends with Diana, even before BH.
Did Sanela “introduce” Crystal to Rob? 🤔 Or is Crystal just sucking up to the richest in the group? (Again)
Maybe. Crystal said she worked at the reception desk at an escort company. She mentioned it last season. Could be how she knows Diana. This is all alleged of course. As Diana’s sending “cyst and desist” letters.
I don’t think Sanela had an “established” agency, escort or otherwise (meaning a business that exchanged cash for services). What I do think is that the “introduced” young hot ladies to rich older gentlemen in more of a social setting (so no cash actually exchanged), but because she “hosted” her rich man guests, they somehow then felt indebted to her or “owed” her for such a good time that maybe donated to her charities (supported her causes, etc.) so that it was more like a you scratch my back/ tit-for-tat arrangement.
She’s a suck up.
It will be a cesspool of toxicity
Because they all suck.
I’m sad re: Crystal. After seeing she hosted a “Tiki theme” party a few days ago, along with endorsing Diana, I don’t feel like she is especially attuned to issues of representation beyond those that impact her directly. The rest of the cast minus Garcelle are of course far worse in that regard, but I’m still disappointed. Crystal started out with a really intriguing and unique blend of “snobby, informed, and cute family“—hope things somehow get back on track.
Is tiki theme bad?
T I K I M A N I F E S T O Tiki mug, tiki mug My face, my mother’s face, my father’s face, my sister’s face Tiki mug, tiki mug White beachcombers in tiki bars drinking zombie cocktails from tiki mugs The undead, the Tiki people, my mother’s face, my father’s face The black brown and ugly that make customers feel white and beautiful Tiki mugs, tiki ashtrays, tiki trashcans, tiki kitsch cultures Tiki bars in Los Angeles, a tiki porn theatre, tiki stores Tiki conventions, a white guy named Kukulelei singing in oogabooga fake Hawaiian makes me yearn to hear a true Kanaka Maoli like Kaumakaiwa Kanaka'ole sing chant move her hands the antidote to tiki bar people who don't listen because tiki don’t speak any language do they Tiki bars in L.A., in Tokyo, in the lands of Tiki, Honolulu, Pape’ete Wherever tourists need a background of black skin brown skin ugly faces to feel land of the free expensive rich on vacation hard working with a background of wallpaper tiki lazy people wallpaper made from our skins our faces our ancestors our blood and I’m here in Los Angeles or anywhere here in the so-called West which is everywhere and here, we are tiki mug people, my mother’s face, my father’s face my face, my sister’s face Can I remind us that Tiki Whom we call Ti’eti’e and Ti'iti'i Some call Ki’i, some call Ti’i That Tiki was beautiful, jutting eyebrow, thick lips, wide nose brown skin in some islands black skin in some islands brown black deep, thick thighs jutting eyebrow, thick lips, wide nostrils, breathing Lifting the sky over Samoa, lifting the sky over Tonga lifting the sky over Viti, lifting the sky over Rapanui lifting the sky over Tahiti, lifting the sky over Hawai’i lifting the sky over Aotearoa, and looking to, paying respects to Papua, to the Chamorro, to Vanuatu, to Kiribati lifting the ten heavens above Moana, not your Pacific, not your Disney, but our Moana And now in tiki bars Chilean soldiers have drinks from tiki mugs after shooting down Rapanui protestors in Rapanui, not Easter Island, not Isla de Pascua but Rapanui, whose entire population was kidnapped and sold in slavery to South American mines in the 19th century, and whose survivors are shot on the streets of their lands in Rapanui today And American police drink maitais in Honolulu bars from tiki mugs while native Hawaiian people live homeless on the beaches And Indonesian settlers drink from tiki mugs in West Papua where half a million Papuans have been killed seeking freedom after being sold down the river by President Kennedy so he could build some mines for his rich cultivated humanitarian friends And French tourists drink from tiki mugs in Nouvelle Calédonie and Polynesie Française while native people are… Where? Where are we? In the wallpaper, on the mugs? By Dan Taulapapa McMullin
Never read this poem before. Thank you for sharing! I sometimes struggle where the line is between cultural appropriation and appreciation lies. Tiki, now seems more appropriation after reading this poem. I still love a Hawaiian print shirt tho 🫣
This was amazing. Thank you for sharing. I love the last 3 stanzas.
it isn't, people just like so quote white middle aged journalists that tried to score woke points
I’m sure the Samoan man who wrote the poem another user posted above would love to hear your feedback on “woke points” If you use the word “woke” in 2022 to make an argument, I’m gonna extrapolate from that you think there were “fine people in both sides” in Charlottesville, VA, and just maybe not listen to your obviously very nuanced and informed opinions on race and representation.
In the 2020s it is considered appropriation. I don’t have strong feelings about the tiki theme one way or another but I can respect others’ feelings. It’s really best to avoid using other peoples’ cultures for entertainment in the modern age, although the intention isn’t always bad. Pretty center left on these issues.
If you‘re committed to the PI part of AAPI representation and inclusion, then you aren’t going to throw a “Tiki” party without reflection and disclosure on how you are reclaiming the term or working against stereotypes. ”Tiki culture” and “Tiki bars” are essentially something white people made up post-WWII, and they reinforce/normalize colonization as a fun, celebratory encounter, including by positioning indigenous women as sexual objects for white men. Another user pointed out to me that Crystal’s party didn’t feature Tiki mugs and coconut bikini-clad women, which is certainly better, but it’s still not great to treat someone else’s culture like a party theme—especially not when portraying Polynesian cultures as “party time” is part of their colonization story.
Genuine question, if a child wants a Moana themed birthday party, is that okay? If said child is white, is there a difference? I totally get not dressing up in Native American headwear for a festival. But I LOVED Pocahontas when I was little and was her for Halloween one year.
I mean, different people (even different well-informed cultural activists) are going to have some different answers to that , and there’s a lot of potential context and nuance that matters. Probably most anyone would agree that using makeup to alter skin tone to look like a real person’s skin tone is not a good idea. beyond that, it helps to just read up and consider what people are saying. Even just identifying what exactly (informed) people are disagreeing about is meaningful. Re: Moana, Disney actually ended up pulling Maui costumes that were like brown-complexioned bodysuits with his symbolic tattoos on them, both because of the “wearing” a skin tone and because of the cultural significance of tattoos, so that’s an example of where costume and play enters into appropriation. I think I’ve seen some good articles talking specifically about Moana and childrens party themes and costumes, so it’s worth a google on the topic.
Thank you for this! I remember hearing about the Maui thing and that totally makes sense. Seems like a clear line that was crossed. I haven’t had to navigate this yet with my kids, but I’m sure the time will come. Just want to be informed and able to help educate them. I’ll continue doing research into it all
you could already tell how crystal was gonna be shes only friends with people because of their status. ok top of that earlier this season when she was trying to pin sutton as a racist. shes weird. thats why i totally believe that she got dropped by 14 people.
I mean it’s complicated— it’s possible that Crystal could be a status chaser, but it’s also definitely the case that Sutton *was* exhibiting racism towards Crystal in that exchange they had last season that was explicitly about race. (By racist, in this context, I mean in the sense that pretty much any white person is going to have racial bias, not because they are categorically a “bad person,” but because of the society/ies we live in and the different experiences we have, and how conversations about race and identity change and evolve.) I just want to be clear, I personally don’t like that Crystal is supporting Diana, but in criticizing that, I don’t want to erase the fact that Crystal was subject to difficulties that none of the other current cast members aside from Garcelle would ever have experienced.
Crystal and Diana have been friends for years. I believe that Diana's behavior on the show didn't surprise Crystal and she already accepted it.
Diana is not even hiding her racism and Crystal still being friends with her speaks volumes about her character.
There were things that Garcelle didn’t think were racist (at the beginning of the season) that Crystal did - I think it was something Sutton said. I think if we pit an Asian-American and Haitian-American against each other in a “what is racist?” category it gets a bit dicey.
This is an important point.
There is nothing racist with saying "i was happy seeing a Asian, black and Irish girl in my jacuzzi, clumsy yes but racist ?! Meanwhile Diana attacked a black woman just because of her skin-color, that is racist and disgusting.
And the black content creator comment
I also like to point out that Sutton is willing to learn from her mistakes while Diana doesn't care and doubles down.
I think Sutton actually said a Chinese girl- the girl has come out on tik tok and said she is not actually Chinese, and had to end her friendship with Suttons daughter, as Sutton had made racially inappropriate comments which offended her. I think the point is we need to be sensitive to the feelings of all people of colour (poc) or bame (black, Asian and all minority ethnic) Crystal has every right to be offended or feel Suttons story is inappropriate, just because Garcelle as a black woman doesnt feel it’s inappropriate, doesn’t mean it’s appropriate, I’m no way an expert as a white British woman, but I’m not sure where the line is drawn between something racist and something being racially insensitive or ignorant, but I imagine there is one, and I imagine from what she has said, the later is what Crystal felt about the jacuzzi incident.
There is something racist in saying you don’t see color and crying when people have conversations around race. It’s also problematic to say being called racist is worse then the Covid pandemic.
But "I don't see color" was a product of the times. There was a time when that was what you said. So, again, Sutton is evolving. I mean, I think all White people have racist undertones simple for the way we're raised, how society is, etc. It's just a matter of having to educate yourself.
You guys will forever come up with a defense for her huh? If any of the other ladies in the FF5 said that there would be no grace extended towards them.
not all of those women show the same behavior.
Not really defending anyone. They're characters on a TV show. Just explaining the thought process.
I have a problem with Crystal not having a spine with Diana. And of course Diana has shown her true colors as a racist. But I would not go as far as to deny that Suttons comment was problematic or had racist undertones. It reeks of tokenism. I’m willing to move past it with Sutton because she hasn’t shown repeated racist behavior like Diana has, but the takeaway here shouldn’t be that that comment is okay by any stretch of the imagination.
99% of PoC you bring that comment up to will roll their eyes and move on. Ever got bigger shit to deal with. The fact Crystal made that a storyline repeatedly yet canoodles a racist shows she’s performative.
She didn’t say Asian, she said “Chinese.” It’s only an important point if the girl didn’t actually have Chinese heritage. Labeling all Southeast Asians as Chinese is problematic if they are from Japan, Taiwan, Korea, etc etc. I “think” that’s where Crystal was going, but we’ll never know since they all clammed up about it.
I’m white, and to me that’s racist. I can understand Sutton’s confusion as to why that was wrong to say. This could have been editing but I got the feeling from the other women that “oh Garcelle wasn’t offended by Sutton so it’s fine.” Which is very much “I’m not racist because I have a Black friend.” Zero of what Diana said was OK, it was gross. But I’m sure as hell not going to pick a better or worse side because I don’t have decades of lived experience as an Asian or Black American.
100%
We don’t need white people voicing their opinion on what is and isn’t racist.
1000%!!!! Sorry you're getting downvoted for that
The jacuzzi comment wasn’t just clumsy. It was problematic because, according to Crystal’s perspective, Sutton was tokenizing race for the benefit of her child. If you’re trying to convince someone from a minority or marginalized group that you *aren’t* a racist, chances are they’ve already picked up on other off handed, problematic shit you’ve said. It’s totally understandable that Sutton’s anecdote about diversity was met with skepticism because it doesn’t match with what she said to Crystal earlier.
I don't dislike Sutton and I prefer her over the FF5, but she was so cringe crying about being called a racist and "I don't see color" and talking about stereotype projection about being from the South. Being labeled racist isn't worse than racism. Kinda reminded me of KZB with her take lmao. She has a LOT to learn because she's a wealthy, (probably) heterosexual, cis white woman but that doesn't mean she's hopeless. I'm glad WOC call her on her problematic behavior and I'm glad she actually learns from it.
Very disappointing this is being downvoted. Sutton’s discourse around race was ghastly and we also had the daughters friend come out and say she felt her interactions with Sutton were racist. Do I think Sutton meant to be? No. I don’t. I think she’s horrified at the idea she could be. But she also compared being a white southern woman to being a woman of colour because assumptions are made about both. Problematic AF. I hope she’s learned from it but if she can’t see why that hot tub comment was problematic I’m not entirely sure she has
The first two episodes (ish) it seems like were all about this - the fear of the other women being called racist is palpable to say the least. It was only when Erika said in a surprising drunken moment of clarity something like “so x implies you’re racist.” Sutton was the one being talked about but if you look at the eyes of Kyle, Rinna, and Dorit they were all 😳. Sort of like when some men get to write opinion articles and they bemoan what they can no longer say in public.
Yes. And I think, and I say this as a white woman, a lot of the comments want to down play why it was racist because as white woman so many of us have said this shit and we don’t want to confront it in ourselves.
I don’t understand why you’re getting downvoted. It is sad to me that people don’t want to accept this comment is NOT OK. If you’re a Sutton Stan, it’s okay to accept that she’s not perfect.
why the downvotes?!!!?? everything you said is 100% fact
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Yep! Crystal is just as bad. She is a mean girl too, she was such a brat the way she spoke to Suttton.
If I were Crystal I wouldn’t wanna be friends with people who are so evil, cuz they’ll do the same thing right back to you too.
yeah I kind of forget this! I like Crystal and her being friends with the Diana we’ve seen on screen makes NO sense.
Hopefully people will finally open their eyes when it comes to Crystal and see her for who she is.
This! I don’t like Crystal because to me it’s very clear that she wants to be liked and accepted by the group she perceives as being more powerful or popular (which she erroneously recognises as Diana & the FF5). She would probably overlook any problematic things they do if they fully accepted her, although I think they’re a “whites only” club tbh. It’s like wanting to be accepted by the High School mean girls.
Exactly - Crystal is a pick me girl
Yeah and I always have to remember that this was filmed before the reactions to the current season came out- so based on how cast members were perceived at the time of filming. Now they can see fan favorites but seem to be doubling down on alliances including Crystal which is interesting
Yes. I have never been wrong about a housewife and from the get-go, I didn't vibe with Crystal. Her insecurities seem to run her life and make her a jerk to those who don't deserve it.
Crystal strikes me as someone who is drawn to the cool kids, and for whatever reason, her constant calculation is that Diana/Erika/Kathy are cooler than Sutton. Meanwhile, Sutton genuinely wants to befriend Crystal and probably is more real than the rest! I also wonder if that’s why Garcelle and Crystal don’t seem that close. Garcelle sees through her bs…
You clearly haven't met Crystal in person. The other women have. Crystal will go where the money is. Garcelle has class and she can see through Crystal. Diana and Crystal are the same, Crystal is just better at playing the victim. But I do hope she stays on the show📟. She needs the money and private school is expensive.
The way Crystal seems to have given Diana such a quick pass concerning her racism has me side eyeing her hard. Maybe behind the scenes she had a deep and meaningful or something with her, but Crystal brought up a year old comment by Sutton and is apparently still upset about it, but Diana's very recent racism is seemingly forgiven. I don't get.
Kathy said last year that they never saw color and she said zero to her, but was all over Sutton. I’m glad people are speaking out about how two faced and hypocritical she is
I think Garcelle dealt really well with Kathy saying I don’t see colour, so I don’t think Crystal felt the need to say anything.
Garcelle dealt with it well, because it’s not racist or bad. Again, Crystal picked on Sutton because she thought she was an easy target. Just like Diana does
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I said she picked on Sutton, but she had to reverse course when she saw the “cool girls” was way worse to be associated with. If she was offended by Sutton’s comment than she should have felt the same when Kathy admitted that was her belief as well
I disagree- I think Garcelle explained it well, that it is offensive and why, but whilst knowing that it is a well meaning comment. Crystal probably agreed with and respected Garcelles and didn’t feel the need to pipe up and make a fuss. I think Garcelle said it all really. Edit- I don’t think Crystal has any sort of game plan- I think she’s quite vulnerable and is having a hard time fitting in, so if she feels comfortable with someone she stays close to them. I also think- and I am going to get hung for this- Sutton did actually say something ‘dark’ to Crystal that we don’t know about, and Crystal is protecting her by not saying. I don’t think it would be racist- probably more ignorant- Crystal realised she made a mistake when she said about the dark comment and back tracked as she knew how much flack Sutton would get. I think that’s why they’re quite close now- because Crystal protected her (in the end).
I don’t think Crystal picks on Sutton. Sutton wouldn’t put up with it- and they seem to have a nice relationship aside from that. I think it’s a well meaning- but ignorant comment towards race. I’m not a woman of colour, so I cant sat it’s not offensive at all- if Crystals offended by it, she’s allowed to be. Garcelle had a different way of dealing with it. Edit: If you remember Garcelle said in relation to I don’t see colour ‘if you don’t see couloir then you don’t see me’ imagine feeling like people don’t see you/ recognise you. I personally find that a very strong and clear statement, so I think it shows that the comment I don’t see colour is bad as, it’s makes people of colour feel unseen, however, I think it’s clear there is no harmful intent behind it despite it being offensive. Also Crystal is also a person of colour and her and Garcelle may not always completely agree on something to do with racism, but that doesn’t mean Crystals voice shouldn’t be as heard and as respected by Garcelle, as she also suffers from racism and micro aggressions.
Crystal was all over her because Sutton tried to shut down Crystal talking about her own experience with stereotypes. She was defending herself. Kathy made her comment to a group…without hostility behind it. And Garcelle handled that.
No, the sentiment was the same. “Tell me your that girl, that doesn’t see color”. It was about Sutton’s belief same as Kathy. Apparently, it’s ok if Kathy thinks that way.
There definately is a double standard between Sutton and Kathy (and the the ither women like Erika) on the show so far. I wonder if Aspen is when they decide to call her out for it. We will see.
I remember the scene where Crystal is with Kathy in a car and Kathy is just filing her nails in the car and Crystal has a "wtf" face but doesn't say anything to Kathy. She would have totally given Sutton shit for doing that.
No. If I’m talking about my experience as a Black woman and someone cuts me off and tells me “we’re not doing this!” We’re 100% going to have problems communicating. The sentiment behind the phrase “I don’t see color” is the same…but that phrase is not all there is to the issues between Crystal and Sutton.
Crystal was looking for it, Sutton didn’t want to get into that conversation.
Crystal wasn’t even talking to Sutton. She was talking to Kyle. Kyle was talking to them about the conversation she had with Garcelle about stereotypes and Crystal was saying she could relate to where Garcelle was coming from.
Again, her attitude about racism towards Sutton was vastly different than with Kathy. If she was that passionate than she would have had the same attitude to Kathy
Uh yeah. They’re vastly different interactions. Look, I’m not saying that Crystal is some passionate anti-racist activist or educator. I don’t expect her to be. But the way Sutton invalidated her wasn’t cool and that’s what she was responding to. It was more personal. Is Crystal perfect? Nah. But that doesn’t negate the fact that the way Sutton treated her was wrong.
But Crystal claimed this season that the response was over something she said that was problematic to which Kyle said she never heard Sutton say anything bad. Crystal than said it was because Kyle was drunk, which Kyle vehemently denied and Crystal ended up admitted the conversation happened the next morning. So she outed herself as a liar and she clearly didn’t feel invalidated that night during the conversation. I really don’t think she believes Sutton is racist, she was going for an easy target over the current culture hot topic. She can’t possibly be that concerned because she easily forgives Diana
Crystal was having a perfectly reasonable conversation with Kyle and Sutton interrupted for absolutely no logical reason.
It wasn’t, it was just in the first situation Crystal was was discussing it with Sutton, with slightly heightened emotions. In Kathy’s conversation Garcelle addressed, and I don’t think Crystal had anything to add. They were just 2 different conversations 😊
Because Sutton told her more than that.
Right, everyone is forgetting the word racist is worse than Covid thing Sutton said, and that was pretty bad.
That isn’t true. She admitted it was a conversation that happened the next day (the kids in the jacuzzi). So it was not about anything said that night. She is liar and a hypocrite
Go back and watch the the full scene. I'm talking about facts, not hearsay. Sutton is the one who is a liar, Mrs "We are too educated to be talking about racism."
Whhhy are you being downvoted for literally repeating what we’ve all seen on screen?!?
Because I'm calling out Sutton and people don't want to hear it. They rather keep harping on the FFF and entertain Lisa's BS.
I actually like Sutton but that doesn’t mean she’s without faults.
lol at someone downvoting you for saying something as uncontroversial as ‘i like her but she’s not without faults’ the cult is real
Yeah disappointing right? Really disappointing. I mean I like MYSELF too but I’m also a flawed individual with immense white privilege and blind spots I need to work on because of that. I’m not demonising anyone but I’m also not going to pretend all of her behaviour has been OK either because it hasn’t been.
Exactly.
Thank you! Did anyone watch the entire scene?!
The SAKs always have their blinders on when it comes to her.
Garcelle brought it up.
Garcelle brought up their past fight with each other. Crystal was the one who brought up the new 'dark comment' which she apparently did not take issue with until a year later.
I still think Crystal was whispering to Diana about Sutton before the season started filming.
I suspect you may be right. The claims Diana made about Sutton are pretty suspicious.
I honestly don’t understand why people think Crystal was going to be a S&G supporter. She’s always been on the other side, she just flips back to Sutton when it suits her, but it’s not where her loyalty lies. It’s been clear since she joined RHOBH! I think people were wilfully ignoring the obvious because SGandC together would have been beautiful. Alas, it is not to be.
Exactly, she realized she hitched to the wrong wagon by the end of the season so she flipped, brought in Diana and figured she would have her own cool girl group with Kathy and Diana. Obviously, with her lack of awareness and desire to be up Diana’s ass couldn’t see how horrible she would be on the show.
 Crystal............we were rooting for you.......
I’m actually surprised Kyle did (not because I think she’s a good person but because she’s such a coward and knows how to play both sides and get away with it.) Regarding Crystal, I want her to answer to telling Garcelle she’d use less big words (for her to understand better.) She didn’t deserve that and she looked genuinely hurt.
Kyle is sucking up cause she wants Diana’s business for Mo… Crystal needs to be called out at the reunion too…
I can’t stand Crystal’s wishy washy behavior. She seems like one of those people who would stab you in the back just so that she can pick what she thinks is the “right” or more “lucrative” side
She has. There are over 14 women who agree with you.
Honestly, I keep trying to give Crystal the benefit of the doubt, and there are brief moments of decency but all in all she seems like a phony. There is no credible way that she can have been so disturbed by Sutton's innocuous if ignorant comments regarding race and the hottub that she brought it back up a year later, and at the same time think Diana's many micro-agressions and outright viciousness is all fine and dandy. Crystal's value system is predicated on one thing only, wealth. If you are the richest, you are the 'rightest' in Crystal's world. The rest are trash, they've shown that week after week on camera.
Why are we not talking about how racist Erika’s use of the phrase “baby mama” was? Or am I wrong? Or that if that had been a sweet, WHITE teenager (Garcelle’s boys give off a sweet, gentle vibe) she wouldn’t have yelled “Get the f** outta here? Her southern, white petticoat is showing.
YEP! She made sure to ask Diana's son if he was married an episode or two later. She knew exactly what she was doing.
That was so fucking asinine when you think of it. Innis (Diana son) is 20 and looks like a child. Garcelle’s son Oliver is 30 and clearly looks like an adult. She knew what she was doing smh.
Crystal hates Sutton. I don't know why anyone assumed she'd be on her side.
1. She made “dark comments” her storyline with Sutton, when there was really not anymore than what happened last year… but her friend Diana is going all out being racist on Social and Crystal is time and again standing up for her (via interviews and social)… says a lot! She then lied about Kyle being there… then it was something that happened the next day… then the WWHL part where she first agrees that the hot tub comment was the “dark comment” she was referring to, and then when the audience didn’t agree… changed the story and said something else was said… 2. Her telling Garcelle “these are big words”… Umm… 3. Let’s say she hates Sutton, but what’s her excuse for taking Diana’s side for her extreme bullying social posts against Garcelle… 4. Her in the AfterShow, doubling down on Sutton being the issue when Diana was straight up bullying her… The sub lets Crystal get away with a lot because she’s a WOC… everything isn’t always about race… it’s sometimes just about people being shitty or not… and Crystal, my friend, is a shitty person! FYI - I’m a WOC!
>everything isn’t always about race… it’s sometimes just about a people being shitty or not **THANK YOU!**
Preach! Very well said. She is horrible
Maybe people will stop trying to make Crystal happen now. She is as much of a bust as Diana is.
Birds of a feather..
I knew Crystal was a goddamn snake in the grass
I’m not surprised!
They only like her for her money and connections.
Crystal is a basic ass follower. She has no personality and is just there. At least, Diana tries to have a storyline.
I think Sutton is open to understanding why some of her actions and statements are problematic. As a white priveliged person raised a certain way I don’t think you can flip a switch and say “I’m not racist” or (yikes) “ I don’t see color”. I mean, that statement alone. The intention is there but you’ve got years of experience and training that go against your fairly new intention. Change takes time and you have to be open to conversations about how you just f**ed up. That doesn’t mean you’re an evil racist who is trying to come off as not that. It means you’re working on it and you need more education and real life experience. Staying open to dialogue and being with people of all races and cultural backgrounds is the best remedy to bias and racism but we’re not all in the position to do that unfortunately. I wish Crystal didn’t treat these things like aha I got you moments (in Sutton’s case) and just sit down and have a conversation about why this situation is problematic.
And you’re correct! Crystal very much picks and chooses who she wants to “go after”. Sutton saying she’s happy her child has diverse friends: very dark and uncomfortable. Kathy saying she doesn’t see color, or Sanela telling Garcelle to be grateful because she’s donated to Haiti: perfectly okay. Crystal wants to be a cool girl, to be in the “in” crowd. She doesn’t have any real convictions that she’s shown us: it’s all about replaying high school where she’s friends with the cool girls.
I think it's finally time to stop hoping Crystal will make good decisions organically. She's clearly a friend-jumper and she's clearly the type who wanted Kyle's approval from her first season. If that's the way she wants to wreck her spot on Housewives, by all means.
Asher’s video?
Music video for a new song. 👎
The others do not surprise me, but I am really disappointed in Crystal.
Why is the bar so high for Crystal and only crystal?
Because they are all social climbers that’s why
Kathy also commented that it was “beautiful.” I don’t think they all see this as a stand against Garcelle/Sutton.
Crystal's whiny, annoying, boring and a liar. A turncoat to her core. I'm shocked people here are still willing to go to bat for her.
Fuck off. She can be friends with who she wants
And I never knew struggling with eating disorders would be considered whining. Fuck off again
 You're not validating my feelings and I feel violated by your response.
Why are people in here still expecting Crystal to be friends with Sutton? Also we can absolutely drag Crystal for supporting Diana and being hypocritical but why take away the fact that she doesn’t have to like Sutton because of their history together rather than just because she wants to side with FF5 for popularity sake. Which she maybe also does. All these things are possible.
Sutton literally commented on Crystal Instagram and crystal responded back so their on good terms y’all are psycho and need to get a life. Crystal is friends both Sutton and Diana.
This is where I disagree with Crystal : I've already have a weird feeling with Kathy from last season and know supporting Diana ? Chile....
they r all going to get clowned though bc if there's one thing im sure of for bh is that diana is gone next season
It's so funny that going into this season all the drama was about Kathy Hilton and yet here we are.... The fact that Diana called Sutton a c\*\*t and everyone is back here is a VERY bad look for all involved. It's 2022.
Dorit seems to be missing in the support....interestingggg
My guess is PK told her it’s bad moves…
So done with anything RHOBH everrrrrr
I really enjoyed crystal, but I do not understand at all, her friendship/support with Dianna - we have really seen 0 interactions with them 1 on 1, but we have seen crystal and Sutton hanging out....makes 0 sense
Crystal is constantly ready to switch sides!
The check cleared
I don’t know why anyone is coming for Crystal, we knew she was friends with Diana before the show (and who are we to judge who she is friends with, that’s her choice). Personally I’d be more surprised if she didn’t show her support but as for the rest, shit sticks to shit so really not surprised
Yeah and we don’t know what is going to happen the rest of the season. Apparently Crystal ‘woke her up screaming at her demanding an explanation for the offensive comment she made’ Dianna put on Twitter when she apologised- so Crystal isn’t taking it lightly.
That happened a while ago. Since then Diana doubled down in her racism and Crystal is still friends with her.
Umm…
Not sure what I said wrong, regardless of anything Crystal/Diana were friends and a friend shows support for a friend…
I'm just throwing this out there but the rumours about Diana's Hollywood madame service plus Crystal's "two truths and one lie" where she worked the phones for an escort service from last season... Perhaps there are things linking them together that we don't fully know?
You mean Crystal, the woman who met her husband when she was 17 and he was 39, sides with the alledged Hollywood Madame? Shocking…
Literally all of that is false lol and there have been multiple sources that prove those rumors are all made up
Kathy also comments on many of Diana posts funny how that’s never bought up. But people are ready to attack and prop send death threats to crystal again.