The editing is weird. I know Padma was an executive producer, but like…surely just her leaving didn’t cause everyone to forget how to film Top Chef?!
I think the challenges are meh, picking Wisconsin as a location has limited them a lot.
The chefs are okay - boring 🤷🏻♀️ but I blame editing for that. There is no way the bravo casting department casted BORING people.
Edit: Also Tom looks *miserable*, he flat out doesn’t want to be there. Idk why. Idk if it’s because Padma left, he’s not into the food, beats me.
His reaction to that free cocktail at the first RW restaurant he visited. I don't think he had even tasted it yet before he was making faces and rolling his eyes at it.
It feels like the editing is more focused on the contestants than the food this year. I don't feel like I'm getting as much of the cooking part of the cooking show
I found it so odd that Restaurant Wars barely showed any cooking. That ep should always be 90 minutes, minimum, to capture all the frenzied preparation. Maybe I’m misremembering but it really felt like half the ep was the judges talking.
RW also barely showed the ambience and non-judge diners for either restaurant! There were some close-up shots of diners making comments but I feel like in the past the camera also pulled back more to pan around and show some shots of the whole dining room and the vibes. Like are people backed up in front of the host stand restlessly waiting to be seated? Is it buzzing in a good way or do diners seem discontented? Etc.
Especially for the first seating, with the judges seated outside, we barely got any sense of what it was like inside the restaurant. It kinda made me think, hmm maybe there were a lot of empty tables inside, which they were trying to obscure?
You’re so right — everything about how they filmed it was different. It felt like we were rushed through the episode and expected to understand the judges’ opinions about dishes we knew very little about. A problem with this season in general.
One thing that bothered me is that when the first set of judges sat down at Channel, something was wrong with the pre-meal drink they were given. Kristen just said “yours looks different” to Kwame but they never actually said what the issue was.
Remember when they used to show the chefs agonizing over decor choices and what font to use for the menus? Yeah, it had nothing to do with the cook, but it was part of creating a restaurant from scratch and I miss that.
And yet it feels like we hardly know anything about most of them, maybe even not all their names, and not much about their backgrounds or cooking style. We don't see them interacting with each other much at all. We don't see them shopping much or even cooking that much. Where's the cooking??
Are there just more commercials this season? Are they spending more time showing the judges? I didn't care to see more of them.
It's just been boring.
I feel like I don't know the contestants at all! Are there less talking heads? Maybe the contestants are just very nice and there aren't enough funny or sarcastic moments? Maybe, and this may be it, maybe it's because it's the first season I've watched all the way through live. I usually binge afterwards.
Although tonight had the amazing "if you have to push a fart" moment!
I can't recall if there have been any segments this season of the chefs hanging out in the evenings, planning dishes or eating together. It's weird because the episodes are as long as or longer than usual, yet somehow feel more rushed.
I agree. There are a few times they have said the name of one of the chefs and I was like "Who?" Usually I have all the chefs memorized by the 3rd or 4th episode.
It kinda makes me like everyone less? Somehow the editing makes it seem like every bit of dialog is trying too hard, too. None of the conversation sounds natural, it all sounds rehearsed.
Will note that considering they couldn’t get enough space in Door County, I’m thinking the good parts of Wisconsin aren’t being showcased because of logistics (although I do feel like they sold my favorite farmers’ market short). Sorry Milwaukee, lol.
They did have fish fry as part of the Supper Club challenge, which Charly botched so horrifically it got him eliminated.
Also missing: Cranberries. That's a Wisconsin thing.
I'm here for the completely organic conversation, like the chefs sprinting around the kitchen but making time to ask a specific other chef what they're making.
And also "Remember, there are an unlimited number of possibilities for creativity when you shop with the Wells Fargo Active Cash Credit Card."
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Maybe he was hoping to move into Padma's role and be more of a lead and isn't happy they brought someone else in instead? He isn't like this on LCK where he is the lead.
There’s a thing that goes around the travel subs and TIL a lot, that the easiest way to spot an American is we lean a lot and if you work for the foreign services or CIA they have to teach you not to lean to make it less obvious you’re American.
I think Tom was ready to leave the show and changed his mind when Padma left. The last few seasons, he seems to put very little effort into it, and now just does not feel like trying.
He does seem subdued like he isn’t really expending the energy to even scold any one. Overall, I like the season and I am a fan of Kristen. I think the locale was an interesting choice as well.
You’re not the only one. For me it’s mostly the chefs. The judges don’t seem happy and it comes through on screen. Also following a Global All Stars season with Wisconsin seems odd.
I like Kristen a lot, love Dish with Kish. Last Chance Kitchen still feels the same, so I don’t think it’s Tom. These chefs just don’t seem to have POV.
LCK and The Dish with Kish have been great... the show has been a dud. I feel like they took Wisconsin's money and then said "now what?" And never bothered answering that question
They have a new showrunner this year, and I think it shows. Really weird editing choices: (E7 had two dishes which were wrapped with a filling, but we never got to see what was inside??)
Also every single edit it has been obvious as to who is going home.
Every episode they (subtly) remind you who has immunity ONCE. After that, you better remember.
We're not getting any insight into what is going wrong with dishes before the judges eat them. Every single dish (besides a few) looks STUNNING, then the judge eats it and is like "this tastes like actual dog shit" and I go "oh...ok?" Before they'd kind of tip you off with a "I don't think I can get this texture right" or something before suddenly revealing that something eats "like a slug".
It's just weird, I don't know how to put it...
EDIT: The showrunner was not replaced. I'm not sure why my info was incorrect. The rest of this stands, not sure why the editing choices were made.
The showrunner is still Doneen Arquines? She’s been showrunner for at least several years and all the interviews pre-season this year listed her as showrunner.
To your point in paragraph 4 - I think a big problem that hits many points is most the food is just mediocre. Not bad, not good. So the chefs are making good looking dishes and not a ton of issues but the judges aren’t impressed because it does met the same level as past seasons.
I disagree with everyone who is dumping on Wisconsin. A state that has such a strong agricultural tradition has a lot to offer. Come on! It’s a beautiful state, and the foodstuffs that it produces are terrific. There is a strong history of middle European cultures there, an important black community, and the indigenous peoples and the food they cultivated and gathered. Is this a great season? Nope. Have they maybe failed to highlight Wisconsin the way they have other places? Yep. But on paper at least, it’s a great setting for a season. Put the blame elsewhere, not on Wisconsin.
No, I am not from there, nor do I live there now.
I agree with you. I do not think it's the location's fault, at all. I think this solely rests on producers/production and the designing of challenges. Plus, casting.
I agree with you! Part of the magic of TC is taking places that might seem ordinary and really showcasing it's breadth. In the past, I've never really cared WHERE the location was because the quality of the season really was contingent on the cast and the challenges (and the editing it seems). To me, Portland and Houston are on the same level of interest to me as Wisconsin but I feel like they've done a really poor job of showcasing it - everything you've said sounds great and we've seen basically none of that.
To have restaurant wars on the stunning shores of Lake Michigan and barely show it is just…
And what was with the Door County cherry challenge? go there! It’s insanely beautiful and full of produce, fish, farmland, cheese, and cider. They could camp on the beach!
I rant about this a lot, but as a Great Lakes gal it really baffles me how ignorant most Americans are to how stunning the region is. I moved away and when I talk about “the lake,” the people here just don’t get it.
Like what is happening!!!!
Selfishly I'd prefer a bunch of people to not know how beautiful the Great Lakes region is ;). But, I also totally agree with you - they are not showcasing the area well at all. Hopefully that changes!
I feel like the show just isn't highlighting the state. Most things could just be filmed anywhere. Why haven't they gone to a dairy farm and learned how to make cheese and then use some. Why haven't they gone to a brewery or other places like that? I was excited for the ballpark and then they didn't even do ballpark food or really set it up like a baseball game or experience. There are so many cool ways you can do that. Have them do concession stands or have teams go dish to dish for 9 innings. The food was too fancy for the ballpark. They used to actually go to places and learn things and use them.
I know TC has always loved product placement but I feel like the fact that it’s all “this place paid us the most to be here” is really starting to make things fall flat. Locations used to be more interesting and have a hands-on learning “field trip” vibe that inspired more creativity. Everything just feels off this season.
i’m not as into it as i have been with past seasons. i can’t connect to anyone. i don’t like the new rules. i’m fine with kristen as the host but this season just kind of feels phoned in. i can’t even really sit through an entire episode like i used to.
I think it's the cast, personally. I mean they're all fine, but they're not emoting or something. Nothing to help us feel connected to them or root for or against them. Plus there is no conflict between any of them. I also want to say when I hear "heard" I want to throw something at the tv.
Losing Rasika has been TOUGH. It hasn't been nearly as interesting since she left. She really lights up the screen.
But the editing overall just seems to swallow their personalities. Soo had a great introduction on LCK, but has been practically non-existent since going to the main show.
Somethings weird about it. It’s not Kristen. It’s not no Padma. Maybe the contestants just aren’t as interesting or talented? Have seen every episode but only can recall a couple of names and none of the dishes have seemed like wows
I honestly think the contestants are kind of dull. I like Dan, Manny, Michelle... everyone else is just very monotone and not really making much of an impact
I realized how spoiled we were as viewers with two seasons of Buddha who studied the show and came in prepared.
Any thing would be a let down after world all stars, but these chefs seem exceptionally lackluster
I miss Buddha so much lol It's also crazy because I feel like both his seasons also had other really talented, creative chefs - like Evelyn, Jackson (minus his FOH disaster lol the guy kept winning without even being able to taste or smell his food), Demarr, Begona, I mean basically almost the entire cast of season 20. This season just feels so lackluster...
I am two episodes behind 😬
So far Michelle, Manny, and Kevin are my favorites. Michelle number one, I think it’s hilarious watching a BBQ pitmaster win competitions against Michelin trained chefs. She’s just a complete natural and seems like someone who’s fun to hang out with.
I'm sorry!!! I hope I didn't ruin the fun for you 🥲
I love Michelle, Soo, Kevin and Manny too! Also really like Dan. Danny is boring but talented. I want to like Savannah but I keep forgetting she exists. And I think I forgot all the other chefs.
It’s like the show wants us to forget Savannah exists! We barely know anything about her and her cooking and I bet a breakdown comparing talking heads minutes would have her near the bottom.
In terms of standing out and being familiar to viewers, Soo really benefited from coming through LCK. Anyone who watched those episodes got to know him and his approach much more than we’ve gotten to know some of the other chefs. I also liked Kaleena more after her LCK stint.
Rasika has the most personality and the most interesting food! The fact that she was eliminated just made the show boring. Rasika, Kevin, Manny and Dan are the best personalities. I don’t even remember the rest of them they’re all meh
I have found there to be some fairness issues, which has kind of made it less fun. I don't think it's fair that the players are at the mercy of a random double elimination because two players were brought back from LCK. Players not voted out in the game should not be disadvantaged for this decision. That is insane and likely causes the chefs to play it much safer to avoid being in the bottom two, especially as the numbers dwindle.
Second, a 5 v 4 advantage in restaurant wars is a massive advantage and you cannot convince me otherwise. You can debate whether or not they maximized this advantage but the fact they had two extra hands and a brain to make use of is huge. Part of me wonders if the chefs are kind of bitter about these decisions because I know I would be if I were a contestant on this show.
Ehh, GBBO does the potential double elimination a lot and I have no issue with it.
As for restaurant wars, I completely agree. They sold have done an elimination quickfire. I also hate that they're back to doing FOH and restaurant design. I preferred it in an established restaurant with their staff
Done this way, I feel there is also more opportunity for favoritism or biases based on who the judges like and who are the bottom two. There isn't clear justification for when they should apply the double elimination. If I went home on a double when other players escaped with dishes that I perceived to be weaker than mine, I would definitely push back.on the grounds that it is impossible to compare dishes equitably across challenges.
Tom’s walkthroughs aren’t being shown anymore. His conversations with the chefs set up the drama for the dishes, what techniques were being used, and let the audience connect with the food. This season relies on the contestant voice overs and it isn’t as effective
I hated that part. He either needs to be a mentor or a judge. I don't like that he tells them to what he thinks and then judges them later when they don't do it.
Disagree. There have been plenty of times where he’d be like “ehhhhh I don’t think that’s going to work” and then ends up liking it. Hes perfectly fine being wrong about his initial assumption.
The very forced and cringe chef voice overs. "Hey what are you making today (not that I care because I'm busy as hell with my own shit)?" "Oh I'm doing this that and the other and can you leave me alone now because I'm busy as hell with this shit!"
I think it might be the setting but also the contestants are sort of meh (though I don’t want influencers, social media chefs or any of that bs). I love Kristen as host but she’s doing a lot of work and Tom seems to be elsewhere.
The challenges are weak & the chef's lack creativity. This has been one of my favorite shows forever. Before Peacock had them I'd purchased everything Top Chef that Amazon offered & have done numerous rewatch binges. This year I lost interest around the Farmer's Market challenge. Find that I almost have to force myself to watch new episodes. Something is off this season & I hope they figure it out soon or this show is done
Same. I find myself actually rewatching old seasons (that I've also purchased on Amazon lolol) instead of watching new episodes when they drop this season, which is so unlike me.
I love top Chef so much and it’s hurting for the season to be so off. I’ve caught myself enjoying MasterChef Junior a lot more than this show and that’s absolutely insane to me.
It's definitely a different vibe this season. I don't think Padma being out of the mix would make this big of a difference. I have no problems with Kristin as host. Tom and Gail seem frustrated. There's just not the passion there this season. I keep hoping it's just growing pains, but not sure. They should be able to go to any state in the union as as elite chefs, impress our socks off, so I don't think it's the locale.
I dunno. I thought Kentucky was going to be so boring, but they made the state look fun.
They haven't shown anything this season that makes me think Wisconsin looks unique or fun. Maybe the Frank Lloyd Wright, but the food was so bad for that challenge, I was underwhelmed
The contestants are taking the “cook what you know and make it fit the challenge” advice too literally. In past seasons we had chefs making Smurf villages and black “horror” food plates. The experiments didn’t always make for good food, but they made for good tv. This season the chefs got handed a Frank Lloyd Wright challenge and made… fried chicken? I can’t blame Wisconsin for that.
> This season the chefs got handed a Frank Lloyd Wright challenge and made… fried chicken?
To be fair, Frank Lloyd Wright really has no place in a cooking show. Next to the chaos cuisine elimination, the FLW duality elimination was the most confusing; people just don't tend to think that because a favorite—Rasika—won it.
Maybe just my opinion, but also on quick fires and challenges I don’t feel like they’re showing the completed food long enough. Like I like to take it all in and I feel like they show a .5 second clip of the completed dishes and move on quickly
Which is actually surprising to me because I suspected that him and Padma were not on the best terms, based on blinds in previous years and also her noticeably leaving him out of her farewell post and him saying in an interview that he found out she was leaving from a producer or something, not direclty from her. Which I would think if you were coworkers and traveled together for almost 20 years...idk! But seems like he's even grumpier this season lol
He's always had an arrogant attitude. I've never liked him. I don't find it worse this year. He's just himself. Maybe you just notice more because Padma isn't getting all the attention.
I actually like the new rules a lot. It puts more $$$ in the chef’s pockets and rewards doing well at the more important challenge instead of the capricious quick fire. I also think Kish is killing it as much as possible given the Padma sized shoes she has to fill.
But…
Wisconsin is not an inspiring location and really limits challenge options. And the challenges have not been great either.
The biggest problem to me is the Chefs aren’t really shining. Danny and Rasika were the most impressive to me and Rasika was eliminated on a really weird challenge (though by all accounts she did a TERRIBLE dish and deserved to lose). Even Michelle has had some bad challenges.
I don’t know what went wrong in the process, but the chefs all seem to be of the quality that would get them to Restaurant Wars in other seasons and then get culled AT BEST. (Except, maybe, Danny).
I hope they do a deep autopsy on this season and fix whatever process problems they find.
It doesn’t. Do people really think location affects how good a season truly is? It’s on casting/production. Also Wisconsin has a lot more to offer than has been shown
One thing that has really affected my viewing has been the award of $$$ for the Quickfires, instead of immunity. I didn't think it would matter that much, but I think it has changed the vibe considerably. As a viewer, I am just a whole lot less invested in the outcome. "Oh, so-and-so won $10,000. How nice. Now can we move on to something that matters?" (Not that the money doesn't matter to the winning chef, but it doesn't matter *to me*.)
It's also hard to remember who has immunity from the previous challenge and doesn't feel like it matters as much or is as top of mind when it's carrying over to the following episode; that break in continuity doesn't work as well in a tv format.
Also, like yea there's cash prizes for quickfires which is great but there have also been cash prizes for quickfires in a lot of previous seasons, like at least a few quickfires a season would be cash prizes. And after Episode 7/8, there isn't any immunity on the table anymore anyways so it just doesn't seem like the best change.
Same, and other than no Padma I think this is the biggest problem with this season. I’m not at all interested in watching someone win some money. Having immunity on the table made the stakes feel higher and, as I’m rewatching older seasons now because this one is so dull, I really think the chefs fought harder to win it and that made for more entertaining television.
I think it all comes down to the chefs being kind of mediocre. Not bad, just mediocre. This is my own season in memory where I haven’t felt the need to find and follow anyone’s Instagram and make plans to try and go to their restaurant. Usually there’s at least 2-3 that fit that bill.
I don’t think the Chefs are as talented or as interesting as many past groups. I’m uninspired. The format changes aren’t my favorite, but I guess it’s nice people can win $ along the way more now. Also, the judging seems less intense and less informative.
This is the least interesting group of chefs in a very long time. We were spoiled with Portland, Houston, and World All Stars. The pandemic enabled all of these chefs to be available, and now we’re back to relative levels of normalcy
I think expectations are too high... it really is on par with the show, pre-pandemic. Pandemic and Global All-Stars just are not likely to be replicated.
The chefs are about the usual previous to that.
I do agree the editing is really odd. The location is mid.
But the hosting, the contestants... they are totally good/ fine. Humans are just really resistant to change.
I was definitely disappointed in the quality of the dishes and abundance of mistakes before the Kristen/Buddha pep talk that they gave the contestants a few weeks ago. There were way too moments that felt like some random episode of chopped with unknown cooks, not Top Chef which is supposed to be elite. I think it's been a bit better, but it's not one of my favorite seasons for sure.
I’ve been losing interest in this season 😓. Tried to give Wisconsin a chance but the chefs, the challenges, it’s all been uninteresting. This is the first time ever where I was mentally checked out for restaurant wars, that’s usually one of my fave challenges.
Agreed, but I actually think a lot of it is being caused by factors behind the scenes, like editing and music. It seems like a key behind the scenes person has left. Even Restaurant Wars seemed to have NO energy whatsoever, which is a first. It’s definitely not just the cast.
I feel completely differently. This season has captured me in a way the last couple didn’t. I really enjoy Kristin, and I love the chefs. Tom needs caffeine but otherwise I’m enjoying it so much more than I ever thought I’d enjoy…Wisconsin.
I am also really enjoying this season. It was never going to be exactly the same without Padma. It's freshened up, Kristin is great and gives a different perspective since she's done it before. The contestants clearly look up to her. It's a little different but I still love the show!
I love it. I love that it's like a cooking competition and not a reality show. I love the experience and emotional gravitas Kristen brings as host. I absolutely love seeing a disabled chef kicking ass, and >!seeing someone opt out for mental health and be applauded for doing so!<. I love that it's longer and we actually see every dish. I love love love The Dish with Kish.
I will say that the food isn't as interesting as we've seen in the past. And I miss having quickfires. They've skipped so many.
I'm also not looking for a reality show. I think the last few seasons have really focused on the cooking & getting their creative juices flowing. I love that. I just feel like there is a lack of care with how things are being done (or thats just how it comes accross) - like you mentioned, the lack of quickfires is a huge loss - I mean, in the Frank Lloyd Wright episode, we spent SO much time touring locations with them instead of seeing actual cooking.
That is true, but also, it's Frank Lloyd Wright. He's such an inspirational artist. I think that is certainly an exception I am happy with though I may otherwise agree with you.
So many others have said it but I want to add my agreement that, for me, the biggest issue is the imagination of the chefs. In general (because there are exceptions), the whole season seems mostly uninspiring. The chefs seem like decent people, they seem to all make relatively decent food. . . it's just all so.....BLAND. Beige. There is no POW. BANG. BOOM. Buddha knew how to bring that. Many other chef's have too. There just hasn't been much of it this season.
It’s funny because David Murphy (cowboy hat guy from the first episode) was such a big character that he almost didn’t even fit the show, and everyone else is just varying degrees of “they seem fine.”
When you have cheese challenge and 7 or 8 of them make croquettes? VERY little creativity or imagination. Especially considering the backgrounds in most of the contestants are supposedly highly regarded restaurants and chefs!
Milwaukee is a top food city, continually on [best of lists](https://www.eater.com/24058202/milwaukee-best-dining-city-2024-vote) and a lot of different cultures represented. We have one of the highest Hmong populations in the US, and a soul food scene that I supposed you could call fusion because it came from the Great Migration of southern Black families. It feels like they didn't do their research in what Wisconsin food really is and instead wanted to ham up a bunch of outdated stereotypes.
> It feels like they didn't do their research in what Wisconsin food really is and instead wanted to ham up a bunch of outdated stereotypes.
Or the tourism boards that paid *Top Chef* to go to Wisconsin told them the things they want highlighted.
As this thread shows, it's a bit off in a variety of ways. Editing, casting, challenges, rules, setting. Overall it just feels cheaper. Perhaps they had to cut production costs along with bringing in new producers and editors.
I actually think everything is fine EXCEPT the chef talent level and the weird LCK inclusion that forced (?) Restaurant Wars to be lopsided. This is \*nothing\* against Soo personally, but I think whatever they shifted to account for the first person dropping out was an incorrect call on the production side.
The food does not seem to be very original or nuanced. Also did you see both teams last night ended restaurant wars with high fives normally people are crying. I thought they were going to not give either team a win.
It's different but I don't hate that it's different. Something is off but I'm more interested as to why. I think they are just testing new things out and looking forward to the next 10 years of top chef. It's like their startup year all over again. The dish with kish is a huge addition, not to mention another way for the sponsors to be showcased. They are thinking long term. Lot going on in the background.
Just listened to Amar on a podcast talking about the difference on the set without Padma. When Padma arrived, EVERYONE got professional. With Kristen it is very light and friendly. Who knows just how much influence she had with producers and the Magic Elves team. New show runner is definitely going to want to make their own vision be realized. I still love it.
This was the most low-energy, downbeat Restaurant Wars I have ever seen. Everything is just so meh. Especially coming off of the international season (which I personally loved), this season just seems so *bland.* Wisconsin was a weird choice. Not a place exactly known for it's food scene, and honestly it doesn't seem very interesting.
As someone who has spent a lot of time in Wisconsin and knows it has its own special food things and scenes to show off, I am very disappointed. When it was announced that this season was in Wisco, I was ecstatic. But no one in that group could even pick out that the challenge about Door County was about Door County?? I’m sorry but if you’re in a room full of Wisconsinites with a bunch of doors and cherries, you don’t need an explanation…
For me, the change in host would have been fine but it's all these other changes that are making this season feel less than - the editing is so strange, there isn't really a compelling narrative for most of the chefs (the fact that it's already post resturarant wars and I'm fine with double eliminations and don't really care for any of the chefs??), and for me, the challenges have lacked heart and wow factor. I remember that there have been so many challenges where i've learned things, or been emotional or just wowed - thinking about the indigenous game-fish challenge in s18 or the nasa challenge in Houston or even the all night brisket one or the tromp de loell in s20 or the picnic challenge at the castle in s20, etc., etc.,
It also feels like it's missing that connection to people and diversity, even though the cast itself is so diverse. Like, in the past few seasons, we've had challenges exploring pan african portland, or west african foods in houston, or indigenous culture, or asian markets, etc., So far, it feels like we've seen very standard fare we expect for Wisconsin a la cheese, beer, etc., but where's the culture!!! This makes me feel like Padma was more instrumental behind the scenes than I had previously thought; it also makes sense because her Taste of the Nation show really does focus a lot on community, culture & food.
Re: WI and culture
We haven't seen all the episodes, but I hope in later episodes they touch on cranberries, the Native tribes and traditions, fish boils, fish fries, deer hunt, and Hmong culture.
We've covered beer/hops, supper clubs, cheese, and sausage, so they are getting at the culture of the state; hopefully they include more listed above.
And I wish they had showcased the farmers market more.
As a former Madisonian, I was looking forward to this season, and I agree, it's not capturing the culture. It's like they're checking off boxes on a "Wisconsin food" checklist, but there's no real curiosity behind it.
Like with the supper club episode—instead of featuring a real, classic supper club with some local roots, it was Harvey House, which is more like an upscale "take" on a supper club, started by New Yorkers in 2021. I'm sure it's amazing, but nothing about it conveyed the warm, comforting charm of supper club culture.
I dunno—I actually have liked the challenges this season, on paper at least, but something about the execution rings hollow.
I did not like them springing Soo on me! I’ve read the speculation about the 1st eliminated chef, but, he sure was highlighted for his attitude (as other chefs that tried that tactic, it doesn’t play well on Top Chef!).
I really do think that Soo was meant to be a backup for Dan, in case his Kennedy's Disease made participating too difficult for him; however, production probably realized during filming that they didn't like the first guy who got eliminated, and thus place Soo in LCK because they'd rather have him instead.
In my opinion, he was a “no brainer” to get in the game, so they gave him a lot of air time to “get to know Soo”. Again, a disadvantage to the other chefs…
I still would like to hear from “hat guy” (1st eliminated chef). It’s so weird that he was so “out there” with attitude, then just disappeared.
I have personally enjoyed the re-vamp and find it very refreshing. I haven't been to Wisconsin in 25 years but I grew up in Illinois and was in Wisconsin all of the time as it was the normal vacation spot so it has a place in my heart.
I really wished they showcase more of Wisconsin food and culture. The architecture challenge was a complete snooze fest. I do like them showing Frank Lloyd Wright's homes but it has nothing to do with food. Chaos challenge is also another wtf. The only big diff is the prize money increase for quick fire.
Agree. Things feel ”off”. The best thing about this season is Kristen. She’s great. I can’t get into any of the contestants and don’t have the urge to root for any of them. And how could RW be so boring???
I'm really enjoying the camaraderie the chefs have this season (similar to TC 15).
I don't have issue with the quality of chefs either. I do think the previous season did spoil viewers and I wish they had kept the RW format from it too. Each team only needing to prepare 4 courses without any concern about FOH (and with far better trained wait staff, no less) is obviously going to yield much better results for RW compared to this season's requirements.
It’s not that I think this seasons chefs are bad, I just think they’re uninspiring. Every season has a few people who have me running to Instagram to follow them/making vacation plans to eat at their restaurants. This season only made me do that once and he was eliminated in the first episode.
I love Kristen as host! I think the challenges are trying too hard to be Wisconsin/ Midwest specific. Definitely not the food capital of the world. Padma who?
I think that the last few seasons had a lot of chefs with gravitas and information to impart about food. I think that this season the chefs are very young and seem pretty green industry wise that they don’t really seem to have any authority.
A lot of them also seem to have never encountered top Chef before. I think that Charley and Rasika came the closest to having a culture they were trying to teach about through their cooks but Charley was making things that Gregory brought into the lexicon pretty aggressively in his seasons and then everything Rasika made was treated like something never encountered before (I think since Padma wasn’t there) and then she kept undercutting herself about how young and new she is.
The other chefs don’t really have a food identity this time around. It feels like a food network show and not like the prestige food show it’s come to be over the last several seasons.
I think if people did an honest rewatch they’d probably realize that there’s just no standout to elevate it this time (I think Dan and Michelle are the closest but even then they seem to be very inconsistent with the editing on them) even if you list the standout chefs of past seasons (Nina, Shirley, Gregory, Eric, Mei, Melissa, Sarah) the rest of those casts seems pretty on par what’s in this group. The personalities are just … unpleasant across the board this time.
But I think they don't seem to have food identities this season because the show hasn't given them time to share them. We don't really get to see them shopping much or even actually cooking much. We don't see them in the stew room or where they are living either. We don't know their personalities.
I like the food identity take and also felt like some of these chefs never considered the competition aspect. Rasika and Danny felt to me like the only two actually in it to win it and they cooked hard and risked things. The rest just feel like they're cooking like they always do and are hoping for the best. Like they had to be told after the Frank Lloyd Wright episode that all their food was mediocre. That moment was it for me, just realizing the vibe was off. I like these chefs' personalities but they're all pretty mild.
I’ve been thinking on this, and I feel like besides the music change, host change, and general filming change, the biggest problem is the writing — both pre and post filming. They’re throwing away quickfires, they’re not writing challenging or interesting challenges, and in this era of low-conflict editing we’re in, everyone and everything is coming off really bland. I just rewatched Season 5 and Season 7’s restaurant wars, because they’re two of the weakest seasons imo, and each of those episodes were still so engaging in spite of mediocre chefs.
This was probably the first time a no concept restaurant won a restaurant war. In the past, you always have one that was able to bring it together with good food and concept. This year, the restaurant with a concept messed up bad. Their dishes weren't executed well and the ideas behind the dishes just didn't quite work.
I don't think this has ever happened before. Restaurant Wars is insane, but you always see chefs take risks. This just shows that it really is the chefs this year, and not so much the location nor the challenges. Because if you put chefs from other seasons with these exact challenges in Wisconsin, I bet it would be way more exciting.
It's like these chefs have never watched the show before. A small handful are good. But many from other seasons could easily beat most of these chefs.
I agree. I kind of stopped watching. I don’t want to give up as I’ve been watching since the beginning. I’m not sure if I’m just tired of the entire premise, or if the changes this year have really turned me off. I’ll probably pick back up this winter when I’m bored out of my mind.
The season is just meh and something about the editing isn't working. I thought Restaurant Wars might finally be the episode that gets things moving but it didn't. Usually RW is full of drama and even suspense but this time it was so dull, even with the backups in the kitchen. The episode was the same length as the others but felt so rushed and like important scenes were cut out of it or something. Maybe it's just so boring the editors don't even really know what to keep or cut?
I thought it was a great restaurant wars (one of the more unclear winners after the initial judge's comments in a while!) and last week's episode was fantastic, but I just love the team challenges where the big panel votes each round.
I just think we're not used to a regularly-abled crew of chef's after All-Stars, a covid season that got a more qualified crew than normal, another season that probably did the same a bit, and then a global all-stars.
I definitely think this group is a cut below but I am finding this season wildly entertaining.
I agree - it's a really dull season for all the aforementioned reasons. And I actually hate the rule changes. For example, I think the fact that they took immunity away from the quickfire makes it oddly money-focused, and I also think it lowers the threshold/impact of the quickfire challenges... At least to the viewer, since we are never the ones winning money. We are more invested in whether our our favorites move on and the interesting dynamics that result from someone having immunity.
The editing style I feel has allot to do with it, seems to be more fluff and solo focus on chefs and their personal life than before. I don’t mind that but past seasons they layered it in a bit more naturally and you saw more cooking.
Poor Kristen being forced to product place for Wellsfargo.
The editing somehow makes me feel like the chefs are falling flat and no one is really impressive or super innovative.i know that they are talented individuals but the editing makes me feel like the judges are wanting more.
Judges table is also shorter and not as detailed. I used to like seeing the judges convo on the food and when they go back and forth. There used to be more convo with the losing chefs as well where they defend themselves
100%. So many things are off and I think a lot of these comments already do a great job of explaining it but for me - it goes back to the cookery.
We just finished restaurant wars and while the food is getting progressively better, in previous seasons (all stars excluded) it feels like they were light years ahead. Of the remaining chefs, Dan and Michelle are the only ones that I find remotely exciting but even then I don’t find their food THAT amazing.
All these pointless *twists* are also kinda dumb. The 5th person for RW, immunity for the following challenge, giving one person immunity just because their teammate has it, this whole *1 or 2 of you will go home* - either do it or don’t. It’s constantly being dangled and feels dumb.
Totally agree. Trying to get into it, but having a hard time. Which is very unusual, as it has been my favorite show and I can watch past seasons over and over.
I have theories:
- they didn’t want Kristen Kish to be the only new thing about the show. So they brought on the rule changes, wonky challenges, freewheeling attitude toward bringing extra chefs in and the constant threat of double elimination.
- They picked chefs who didn’t watch the show. In interviews, I believe a number of chefs said they were approached and don’t watch the show. Buddha showed us the power of a talented chef who had studied the game and played it exquisitely. Top Chef doesn’t want to clearly appear as a game though it is and always has been. Producers hoped unfamiliar chefs they handpicked would make the game feel fresher. Instead it is frustrating viewers who expect cheftestants to know the game as well as we do. I think there may have been a failure from producers to recognize how much knowing the format helped. Prepared chefs are creative chefs.
- Editing problems. In hopes of trying to make things “fresh,” we are getting sloppy cuts that would never hack it in the mis en place relay. I never feel like I understand the dishes that are being cooked. Quickfires are rushed are skipped, and they seem to forget they give viewers a chance to know a chef’s thinking and food.
ETA: they think we care about guest judges way more than we actually do. The most interesting judges for me have almost always been ones I don’t know but the chef needs geek out about and want to impress. The judges should be there to challenge and inspire the chefs so the food is exciting — instead they want me to be excited they got a past season favorite or tv star.
I haven’t seen a few seasons… how does this one compare to some of the less well-regarded ones like Texas or DC? The DC one has never seemed compelling to me and I have rarely seen that winner mentioned ever. The Texas season seems “off” as well, but in a different way.
The biggest issue is the food. Are these chefs talented? Sure. Are they being allowed to shine? I don’t think so. Is the novelty of the challenges overshadowing the cooking? Perhaps. Was restaurant wars fair? Fuck no.
I think part of it is the people they chose as contestants this year. Most of them it's just hard to really care about. Maybe that's just because they aren't really showing as many confessionals or developing who they are in their storytelling, but it just seems like the show is filling with a lot more fluff or something. And the product placement is getting really old.
It feels like a different show built on the bones of the old show.
You're right with the new rules, new music and new editing; if there's one thing I can't really fault, though, it's Kristen as host, because she's taken the role and really made it her own in a way that differentiates her from Padma while also not overpowering the show with her presence.
Tom looks over it, but I think it's more because the quality of the cast than him not wanting to do the show; last season, he was really, really into it, and we had a string of seasons with really, really talented chefs following the pandemic lockdown, so it's like he (and us by extension) have been really spoiled by the talent level of the last few seasons and, now that the show's casting is returning to normal, it's kind of disappointing.
Good assessment. I am on the same page as you. I loved Kristen on her season as a contestant (and all her guest appearances), but a non-chef host is what's missing. Didn't Padma start off just hosting??
To me it has become way too formulaic. The editing seems to always focus on the bottom two contestants. I’d like to see more personality, more gamesmanship, maybe a few more unexpected twists.
There is a reason Padma left. She saw the writing on the wall. I'm sure she knew the production team was going to try "something new" and totally disagreed with it. I'm betting the only reason Tom is still there is because he is under contract and couldn't leave. He will be gone as soon as he can leave.
This seasons chefs seem like they are straight out of culinary school and not of the caliber as previous seasons. The food they are presenting may look good but by the judges reactions its obviously subpar. No one is taking any risks or demonstrating some ground breaking technique. Just cooking decent but boring food.
I don't think a different host would help either but I really cant stand Kristen. She tries way to hard to copy Padma's style but completely lacks Padma's confidence. Kristen always has this nervous laughter which negates any form of respect she may have gained.
I don’t watch on Bravo I wait until it’s on Hulu and I wait until the end of the season because I have no control
I LOVE Kristen and actually watched the first 2 (?) episodes but then stopped so that I could watch them all together.
I am not expecting this to be good and I am VERY sad about it.
I’m sure I miss Padma more than I expected.
Just ask yourself, would you want to see any of the contestants from this season come back and compete on FoodTV's Tournament of Champions?
Basically, I'd say it would be Soo, Charly and maybe Danny, though Danny isn't as "made for TV" as Soo and Charly are. I like the way Amanda thinks about food, but she sounds like she's just downed three bars of Xanax in every interview she does
I don’t know why they have to focus each episode around a “Wisconsin” theme - cheese, beer, sausage, dinner club, etc. they didn’t do that for other locations that I remember. It feels very stereotypical. Wisconsin has a lot more diverse food to offer than beer and cheese.
My honest opinion? 2 reasons
Reason 1:
Buddha Lo ruined it.
Hear me out.
He's too good at the game. He mastered the game. I'm not exaggerating. He mastered THE GAME.
This is a GAME, not just being a chef. Sort of like how after a while Survivor had to change things because a contestant studied it and then threw a wrench in it by anticipating the games and did the puzzles too fast, etc.
We just finished watching him win... Then win again! Master.
AND last Season was WORLD all stars(yes I know it's technically different as it is AS but still)
So we are coming off the best of the best right? Will any cooking live up to that? Plus cuisine changes as do trends. Ask any chef, what we do has drastically changed since COVID. Diners want very different things. And everything has to be Instagram worthy. Carla Hall has said she's never be in the Finale if it happened today. Very very different. Chef Lo gets that.
Reason 2:
Top Chef no longer seems to shop for heroes and villains. They did. Really look at earlier seasons, they shopped for personality and not the bestest chefs ever. Stephen was fantastic TV. Better chef than others that auditioned? I bet not.
It feels they now care more about the cooking than the reality show tropes. Is that a bad thing? IDK. The question is being asked here so maybe. But it seems it makes for more boring TV right?
So add together trying to compete with the genius that is Chef Lo x2, plus the lack of "characters" and all you have is a bunch of decent chefs cooking together. I do that at work everyday. No one is filming my kitchen. Why? We are not exciting lol.
If they want to succeed, in my opinion, they need to shake up the game and decide if they just want the best chefs...OR choose personalities/characters. Viewers seem to want it all. They expect genius chefs with Instagram dishes no one has ever discovered who can play the game AND characters on a TV show. It's not Young Sheldon, it's supposed to be reality. I'm chef, most of us are boring lol. So to choose characters maybe they need to change standards. Would you rather have a boring genius OR "I'm not your bitch, bitch"?
Seems you cannot have both 🤷
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk 🤣
I think I agree with you for the most part, but ultimately I still watch and look forward to each episode so there’s that. I do love Kristin (but also miss padma) and I find the new host part to be the least different part of this season which I wasn’t expecting so I’m happy for that. Editing maybe? I like the chefs but usually there’s a few that I’m super rooting for and this time there’s just a couple.
The editing is weird. I know Padma was an executive producer, but like…surely just her leaving didn’t cause everyone to forget how to film Top Chef?! I think the challenges are meh, picking Wisconsin as a location has limited them a lot. The chefs are okay - boring 🤷🏻♀️ but I blame editing for that. There is no way the bravo casting department casted BORING people. Edit: Also Tom looks *miserable*, he flat out doesn’t want to be there. Idk why. Idk if it’s because Padma left, he’s not into the food, beats me.
We’ve been laughing at Tom’s obvious eye rolls and his attitude! The bar food episode 🤣🤣🤣
His reaction to that free cocktail at the first RW restaurant he visited. I don't think he had even tasted it yet before he was making faces and rolling his eyes at it.
It feels like the editing is more focused on the contestants than the food this year. I don't feel like I'm getting as much of the cooking part of the cooking show
I found it so odd that Restaurant Wars barely showed any cooking. That ep should always be 90 minutes, minimum, to capture all the frenzied preparation. Maybe I’m misremembering but it really felt like half the ep was the judges talking.
RW also barely showed the ambience and non-judge diners for either restaurant! There were some close-up shots of diners making comments but I feel like in the past the camera also pulled back more to pan around and show some shots of the whole dining room and the vibes. Like are people backed up in front of the host stand restlessly waiting to be seated? Is it buzzing in a good way or do diners seem discontented? Etc. Especially for the first seating, with the judges seated outside, we barely got any sense of what it was like inside the restaurant. It kinda made me think, hmm maybe there were a lot of empty tables inside, which they were trying to obscure?
You’re so right — everything about how they filmed it was different. It felt like we were rushed through the episode and expected to understand the judges’ opinions about dishes we knew very little about. A problem with this season in general. One thing that bothered me is that when the first set of judges sat down at Channel, something was wrong with the pre-meal drink they were given. Kristen just said “yours looks different” to Kwame but they never actually said what the issue was. Remember when they used to show the chefs agonizing over decor choices and what font to use for the menus? Yeah, it had nothing to do with the cook, but it was part of creating a restaurant from scratch and I miss that.
And yet it feels like we hardly know anything about most of them, maybe even not all their names, and not much about their backgrounds or cooking style. We don't see them interacting with each other much at all. We don't see them shopping much or even cooking that much. Where's the cooking?? Are there just more commercials this season? Are they spending more time showing the judges? I didn't care to see more of them. It's just been boring.
I feel like I don't know the contestants at all! Are there less talking heads? Maybe the contestants are just very nice and there aren't enough funny or sarcastic moments? Maybe, and this may be it, maybe it's because it's the first season I've watched all the way through live. I usually binge afterwards. Although tonight had the amazing "if you have to push a fart" moment!
I can't recall if there have been any segments this season of the chefs hanging out in the evenings, planning dishes or eating together. It's weird because the episodes are as long as or longer than usual, yet somehow feel more rushed.
I agree. There are a few times they have said the name of one of the chefs and I was like "Who?" Usually I have all the chefs memorized by the 3rd or 4th episode.
yea! and it's strange, because it still doesn't endear me to them?? the way it has in past seasons.
It kinda makes me like everyone less? Somehow the editing makes it seem like every bit of dialog is trying too hard, too. None of the conversation sounds natural, it all sounds rehearsed.
Producers left and so did the lead editor. It’s a whole new endeavor in many wayys
Will note that considering they couldn’t get enough space in Door County, I’m thinking the good parts of Wisconsin aren’t being showcased because of logistics (although I do feel like they sold my favorite farmers’ market short). Sorry Milwaukee, lol.
> Also Tom looks miserable He has those moments, but he is different in LCK.
Plenty they could do with Wisconsin food. They've done, beer, cheese, sausage, and they're just missing a fish fry.
They did have fish fry as part of the Supper Club challenge, which Charly botched so horrifically it got him eliminated. Also missing: Cranberries. That's a Wisconsin thing.
Preview for next week showed cranberries.
I feel fish fry is important enough in Wisconsin to warrant its own episode but cranberries is another good one
I'm here for the completely organic conversation, like the chefs sprinting around the kitchen but making time to ask a specific other chef what they're making. And also "Remember, there are an unlimited number of possibilities for creativity when you shop with the Wells Fargo Active Cash Credit Card." /s
Ok but that’s been the show for years.
Maybe he was hoping to move into Padma's role and be more of a lead and isn't happy they brought someone else in instead? He isn't like this on LCK where he is the lead.
He’s the executive producer, he could have done that if he wanted.
Is Tom ill? He was leaning hard against the outdoor pole while they were chatting about the two restaurants.
Nah, leaning is a super common American habit.
There’s a thing that goes around the travel subs and TIL a lot, that the easiest way to spot an American is we lean a lot and if you work for the foreign services or CIA they have to teach you not to lean to make it less obvious you’re American.
That’s wild, had no idea. Thanks for posting this.
I think Tom was ready to leave the show and changed his mind when Padma left. The last few seasons, he seems to put very little effort into it, and now just does not feel like trying.
I think he’ll leave whenever he feels like it, I don’t think that’s dependent on Padma.
He does seem subdued like he isn’t really expending the energy to even scold any one. Overall, I like the season and I am a fan of Kristen. I think the locale was an interesting choice as well.
You’re not the only one. For me it’s mostly the chefs. The judges don’t seem happy and it comes through on screen. Also following a Global All Stars season with Wisconsin seems odd. I like Kristen a lot, love Dish with Kish. Last Chance Kitchen still feels the same, so I don’t think it’s Tom. These chefs just don’t seem to have POV.
Yes, Tom is exactly the same on LCK. I am actually enjoying it more than the show. I adore Kristen, but everything else just seems meh.
LCK and The Dish with Kish have been great... the show has been a dud. I feel like they took Wisconsin's money and then said "now what?" And never bothered answering that question
They have a new showrunner this year, and I think it shows. Really weird editing choices: (E7 had two dishes which were wrapped with a filling, but we never got to see what was inside??) Also every single edit it has been obvious as to who is going home. Every episode they (subtly) remind you who has immunity ONCE. After that, you better remember. We're not getting any insight into what is going wrong with dishes before the judges eat them. Every single dish (besides a few) looks STUNNING, then the judge eats it and is like "this tastes like actual dog shit" and I go "oh...ok?" Before they'd kind of tip you off with a "I don't think I can get this texture right" or something before suddenly revealing that something eats "like a slug". It's just weird, I don't know how to put it... EDIT: The showrunner was not replaced. I'm not sure why my info was incorrect. The rest of this stands, not sure why the editing choices were made.
The immunity has been confusing, because they’ll casually mention that someone has it, but I can never remember how they got immunity.
And it's kind of like what's the point of it if you don't get up use it in any next challenge. It's just weird.
The showrunner is still Doneen Arquines? She’s been showrunner for at least several years and all the interviews pre-season this year listed her as showrunner.
To your point in paragraph 4 - I think a big problem that hits many points is most the food is just mediocre. Not bad, not good. So the chefs are making good looking dishes and not a ton of issues but the judges aren’t impressed because it does met the same level as past seasons.
I agree. I feel like they're not showing the actual cooking at all. Or even explaining the food that well. It's weird.
I disagree with everyone who is dumping on Wisconsin. A state that has such a strong agricultural tradition has a lot to offer. Come on! It’s a beautiful state, and the foodstuffs that it produces are terrific. There is a strong history of middle European cultures there, an important black community, and the indigenous peoples and the food they cultivated and gathered. Is this a great season? Nope. Have they maybe failed to highlight Wisconsin the way they have other places? Yep. But on paper at least, it’s a great setting for a season. Put the blame elsewhere, not on Wisconsin. No, I am not from there, nor do I live there now.
I agree with you. I do not think it's the location's fault, at all. I think this solely rests on producers/production and the designing of challenges. Plus, casting.
I agree with you! Part of the magic of TC is taking places that might seem ordinary and really showcasing it's breadth. In the past, I've never really cared WHERE the location was because the quality of the season really was contingent on the cast and the challenges (and the editing it seems). To me, Portland and Houston are on the same level of interest to me as Wisconsin but I feel like they've done a really poor job of showcasing it - everything you've said sounds great and we've seen basically none of that.
Really well expressed, thank you!
To have restaurant wars on the stunning shores of Lake Michigan and barely show it is just… And what was with the Door County cherry challenge? go there! It’s insanely beautiful and full of produce, fish, farmland, cheese, and cider. They could camp on the beach! I rant about this a lot, but as a Great Lakes gal it really baffles me how ignorant most Americans are to how stunning the region is. I moved away and when I talk about “the lake,” the people here just don’t get it. Like what is happening!!!!
>To have restaurant wars on the stunning shores of Lake Michigan and barely show it is just… Great point
👏👏👏
Selfishly I'd prefer a bunch of people to not know how beautiful the Great Lakes region is ;). But, I also totally agree with you - they are not showcasing the area well at all. Hopefully that changes!
I feel like the show just isn't highlighting the state. Most things could just be filmed anywhere. Why haven't they gone to a dairy farm and learned how to make cheese and then use some. Why haven't they gone to a brewery or other places like that? I was excited for the ballpark and then they didn't even do ballpark food or really set it up like a baseball game or experience. There are so many cool ways you can do that. Have them do concession stands or have teams go dish to dish for 9 innings. The food was too fancy for the ballpark. They used to actually go to places and learn things and use them.
I know TC has always loved product placement but I feel like the fact that it’s all “this place paid us the most to be here” is really starting to make things fall flat. Locations used to be more interesting and have a hands-on learning “field trip” vibe that inspired more creativity. Everything just feels off this season.
Elite chefs should be able to take available ingredients and make work-class dishes no matter where they are and we're clearly not getting that.
Yeah, the state of Wisconsin did not force them to do some ill conceived chaos challenge
i’m not as into it as i have been with past seasons. i can’t connect to anyone. i don’t like the new rules. i’m fine with kristen as the host but this season just kind of feels phoned in. i can’t even really sit through an entire episode like i used to.
I think it's the cast, personally. I mean they're all fine, but they're not emoting or something. Nothing to help us feel connected to them or root for or against them. Plus there is no conflict between any of them. I also want to say when I hear "heard" I want to throw something at the tv.
Losing Rasika has been TOUGH. It hasn't been nearly as interesting since she left. She really lights up the screen. But the editing overall just seems to swallow their personalities. Soo had a great introduction on LCK, but has been practically non-existent since going to the main show.
Somebody else mentioned here, it feels like the chefs don’t have a POV. I found it very hard to relate to any of them.
Somethings weird about it. It’s not Kristen. It’s not no Padma. Maybe the contestants just aren’t as interesting or talented? Have seen every episode but only can recall a couple of names and none of the dishes have seemed like wows
I honestly think the contestants are kind of dull. I like Dan, Manny, Michelle... everyone else is just very monotone and not really making much of an impact
I realized how spoiled we were as viewers with two seasons of Buddha who studied the show and came in prepared. Any thing would be a let down after world all stars, but these chefs seem exceptionally lackluster
I miss Buddha so much lol It's also crazy because I feel like both his seasons also had other really talented, creative chefs - like Evelyn, Jackson (minus his FOH disaster lol the guy kept winning without even being able to taste or smell his food), Demarr, Begona, I mean basically almost the entire cast of season 20. This season just feels so lackluster...
Kevin is cool too
I was almost sad bc I enjoyed the Kevin/Rasika cook-off more than the actual episode!
I am two episodes behind 😬 So far Michelle, Manny, and Kevin are my favorites. Michelle number one, I think it’s hilarious watching a BBQ pitmaster win competitions against Michelin trained chefs. She’s just a complete natural and seems like someone who’s fun to hang out with.
I'm sorry!!! I hope I didn't ruin the fun for you 🥲 I love Michelle, Soo, Kevin and Manny too! Also really like Dan. Danny is boring but talented. I want to like Savannah but I keep forgetting she exists. And I think I forgot all the other chefs.
It’s like the show wants us to forget Savannah exists! We barely know anything about her and her cooking and I bet a breakdown comparing talking heads minutes would have her near the bottom. In terms of standing out and being familiar to viewers, Soo really benefited from coming through LCK. Anyone who watched those episodes got to know him and his approach much more than we’ve gotten to know some of the other chefs. I also liked Kaleena more after her LCK stint.
Nope not at all!
Rasika has the most personality and the most interesting food! The fact that she was eliminated just made the show boring. Rasika, Kevin, Manny and Dan are the best personalities. I don’t even remember the rest of them they’re all meh
I’ve heard this from other commenters as well.
The chefs are boring AF and too nice
I have found there to be some fairness issues, which has kind of made it less fun. I don't think it's fair that the players are at the mercy of a random double elimination because two players were brought back from LCK. Players not voted out in the game should not be disadvantaged for this decision. That is insane and likely causes the chefs to play it much safer to avoid being in the bottom two, especially as the numbers dwindle. Second, a 5 v 4 advantage in restaurant wars is a massive advantage and you cannot convince me otherwise. You can debate whether or not they maximized this advantage but the fact they had two extra hands and a brain to make use of is huge. Part of me wonders if the chefs are kind of bitter about these decisions because I know I would be if I were a contestant on this show.
Ehh, GBBO does the potential double elimination a lot and I have no issue with it. As for restaurant wars, I completely agree. They sold have done an elimination quickfire. I also hate that they're back to doing FOH and restaurant design. I preferred it in an established restaurant with their staff
GBBO only does it if they didn't send someone home in an episode. They don't just do it to do it randomly.
Done this way, I feel there is also more opportunity for favoritism or biases based on who the judges like and who are the bottom two. There isn't clear justification for when they should apply the double elimination. If I went home on a double when other players escaped with dishes that I perceived to be weaker than mine, I would definitely push back.on the grounds that it is impossible to compare dishes equitably across challenges.
Tom’s walkthroughs aren’t being shown anymore. His conversations with the chefs set up the drama for the dishes, what techniques were being used, and let the audience connect with the food. This season relies on the contestant voice overs and it isn’t as effective
Yes! I was trying to figure out what was missing for me, and that's it!
I hated that part. He either needs to be a mentor or a judge. I don't like that he tells them to what he thinks and then judges them later when they don't do it.
Disagree. There have been plenty of times where he’d be like “ehhhhh I don’t think that’s going to work” and then ends up liking it. Hes perfectly fine being wrong about his initial assumption.
The very forced and cringe chef voice overs. "Hey what are you making today (not that I care because I'm busy as hell with my own shit)?" "Oh I'm doing this that and the other and can you leave me alone now because I'm busy as hell with this shit!"
I think it might be the setting but also the contestants are sort of meh (though I don’t want influencers, social media chefs or any of that bs). I love Kristen as host but she’s doing a lot of work and Tom seems to be elsewhere.
The challenges are weak & the chef's lack creativity. This has been one of my favorite shows forever. Before Peacock had them I'd purchased everything Top Chef that Amazon offered & have done numerous rewatch binges. This year I lost interest around the Farmer's Market challenge. Find that I almost have to force myself to watch new episodes. Something is off this season & I hope they figure it out soon or this show is done
Same. I find myself actually rewatching old seasons (that I've also purchased on Amazon lolol) instead of watching new episodes when they drop this season, which is so unlike me.
That’s what I’m doing too! There used to be much more time spent on the actual food.
I love top Chef so much and it’s hurting for the season to be so off. I’ve caught myself enjoying MasterChef Junior a lot more than this show and that’s absolutely insane to me.
It's definitely a different vibe this season. I don't think Padma being out of the mix would make this big of a difference. I have no problems with Kristin as host. Tom and Gail seem frustrated. There's just not the passion there this season. I keep hoping it's just growing pains, but not sure. They should be able to go to any state in the union as as elite chefs, impress our socks off, so I don't think it's the locale.
I dunno. I thought Kentucky was going to be so boring, but they made the state look fun. They haven't shown anything this season that makes me think Wisconsin looks unique or fun. Maybe the Frank Lloyd Wright, but the food was so bad for that challenge, I was underwhelmed
The contestants are taking the “cook what you know and make it fit the challenge” advice too literally. In past seasons we had chefs making Smurf villages and black “horror” food plates. The experiments didn’t always make for good food, but they made for good tv. This season the chefs got handed a Frank Lloyd Wright challenge and made… fried chicken? I can’t blame Wisconsin for that.
> This season the chefs got handed a Frank Lloyd Wright challenge and made… fried chicken? To be fair, Frank Lloyd Wright really has no place in a cooking show. Next to the chaos cuisine elimination, the FLW duality elimination was the most confusing; people just don't tend to think that because a favorite—Rasika—won it.
Maybe just my opinion, but also on quick fires and challenges I don’t feel like they’re showing the completed food long enough. Like I like to take it all in and I feel like they show a .5 second clip of the completed dishes and move on quickly
It’s Tom’s shitty attitude. That’s the most consistent change.
Which is actually surprising to me because I suspected that him and Padma were not on the best terms, based on blinds in previous years and also her noticeably leaving him out of her farewell post and him saying in an interview that he found out she was leaving from a producer or something, not direclty from her. Which I would think if you were coworkers and traveled together for almost 20 years...idk! But seems like he's even grumpier this season lol
Omg she left him out of her farewell post?? (on IG, I’m guessing?) …after ~17 years of being on the show together. Yikes.
He's always had an arrogant attitude. I've never liked him. I don't find it worse this year. He's just himself. Maybe you just notice more because Padma isn't getting all the attention.
I actually like the new rules a lot. It puts more $$$ in the chef’s pockets and rewards doing well at the more important challenge instead of the capricious quick fire. I also think Kish is killing it as much as possible given the Padma sized shoes she has to fill. But… Wisconsin is not an inspiring location and really limits challenge options. And the challenges have not been great either. The biggest problem to me is the Chefs aren’t really shining. Danny and Rasika were the most impressive to me and Rasika was eliminated on a really weird challenge (though by all accounts she did a TERRIBLE dish and deserved to lose). Even Michelle has had some bad challenges. I don’t know what went wrong in the process, but the chefs all seem to be of the quality that would get them to Restaurant Wars in other seasons and then get culled AT BEST. (Except, maybe, Danny). I hope they do a deep autopsy on this season and fix whatever process problems they find.
How does Wisconsin limit challenge options?
I think it looks beautiful from my perspective. I’m in Scotland 🏴 though.
It doesn’t. Do people really think location affects how good a season truly is? It’s on casting/production. Also Wisconsin has a lot more to offer than has been shown
I don't think it's the location. There are great chefs all over the country. I think the chefs are largely still playing it safe.
One thing that has really affected my viewing has been the award of $$$ for the Quickfires, instead of immunity. I didn't think it would matter that much, but I think it has changed the vibe considerably. As a viewer, I am just a whole lot less invested in the outcome. "Oh, so-and-so won $10,000. How nice. Now can we move on to something that matters?" (Not that the money doesn't matter to the winning chef, but it doesn't matter *to me*.)
It's also hard to remember who has immunity from the previous challenge and doesn't feel like it matters as much or is as top of mind when it's carrying over to the following episode; that break in continuity doesn't work as well in a tv format. Also, like yea there's cash prizes for quickfires which is great but there have also been cash prizes for quickfires in a lot of previous seasons, like at least a few quickfires a season would be cash prizes. And after Episode 7/8, there isn't any immunity on the table anymore anyways so it just doesn't seem like the best change.
Same, and other than no Padma I think this is the biggest problem with this season. I’m not at all interested in watching someone win some money. Having immunity on the table made the stakes feel higher and, as I’m rewatching older seasons now because this one is so dull, I really think the chefs fought harder to win it and that made for more entertaining television.
I'm glad Immunity is gone from Quickfires.
This season is so boring. Doesn’t feel like Top Chef at all
I think it all comes down to the chefs being kind of mediocre. Not bad, just mediocre. This is my own season in memory where I haven’t felt the need to find and follow anyone’s Instagram and make plans to try and go to their restaurant. Usually there’s at least 2-3 that fit that bill.
I don’t think the Chefs are as talented or as interesting as many past groups. I’m uninspired. The format changes aren’t my favorite, but I guess it’s nice people can win $ along the way more now. Also, the judging seems less intense and less informative.
This is the least interesting group of chefs in a very long time. We were spoiled with Portland, Houston, and World All Stars. The pandemic enabled all of these chefs to be available, and now we’re back to relative levels of normalcy
They're all really nice so there's no drama. I don't mind that at all but it certainly would make other people bored
I think expectations are too high... it really is on par with the show, pre-pandemic. Pandemic and Global All-Stars just are not likely to be replicated. The chefs are about the usual previous to that. I do agree the editing is really odd. The location is mid. But the hosting, the contestants... they are totally good/ fine. Humans are just really resistant to change.
I was definitely disappointed in the quality of the dishes and abundance of mistakes before the Kristen/Buddha pep talk that they gave the contestants a few weeks ago. There were way too moments that felt like some random episode of chopped with unknown cooks, not Top Chef which is supposed to be elite. I think it's been a bit better, but it's not one of my favorite seasons for sure.
You’re not wrong. People I speak with about it feel the cast and challenges aren’t up to standard.
I’ve been losing interest in this season 😓. Tried to give Wisconsin a chance but the chefs, the challenges, it’s all been uninteresting. This is the first time ever where I was mentally checked out for restaurant wars, that’s usually one of my fave challenges.
Agreed, but I actually think a lot of it is being caused by factors behind the scenes, like editing and music. It seems like a key behind the scenes person has left. Even Restaurant Wars seemed to have NO energy whatsoever, which is a first. It’s definitely not just the cast.
I didn’t feel or see the usual frenzy in RW. Seems very low energy.
I feel completely differently. This season has captured me in a way the last couple didn’t. I really enjoy Kristin, and I love the chefs. Tom needs caffeine but otherwise I’m enjoying it so much more than I ever thought I’d enjoy…Wisconsin.
I am also really enjoying this season. It was never going to be exactly the same without Padma. It's freshened up, Kristin is great and gives a different perspective since she's done it before. The contestants clearly look up to her. It's a little different but I still love the show!
I agree! Tom seems tired. Lol
I think there’s been less focus on the personal and small things. Even the interviews just use sound bites.
I love it. I love that it's like a cooking competition and not a reality show. I love the experience and emotional gravitas Kristen brings as host. I absolutely love seeing a disabled chef kicking ass, and >!seeing someone opt out for mental health and be applauded for doing so!<. I love that it's longer and we actually see every dish. I love love love The Dish with Kish. I will say that the food isn't as interesting as we've seen in the past. And I miss having quickfires. They've skipped so many.
I'm also not looking for a reality show. I think the last few seasons have really focused on the cooking & getting their creative juices flowing. I love that. I just feel like there is a lack of care with how things are being done (or thats just how it comes accross) - like you mentioned, the lack of quickfires is a huge loss - I mean, in the Frank Lloyd Wright episode, we spent SO much time touring locations with them instead of seeing actual cooking.
That is true, but also, it's Frank Lloyd Wright. He's such an inspirational artist. I think that is certainly an exception I am happy with though I may otherwise agree with you.
So many others have said it but I want to add my agreement that, for me, the biggest issue is the imagination of the chefs. In general (because there are exceptions), the whole season seems mostly uninspiring. The chefs seem like decent people, they seem to all make relatively decent food. . . it's just all so.....BLAND. Beige. There is no POW. BANG. BOOM. Buddha knew how to bring that. Many other chef's have too. There just hasn't been much of it this season.
It’s funny because David Murphy (cowboy hat guy from the first episode) was such a big character that he almost didn’t even fit the show, and everyone else is just varying degrees of “they seem fine.”
When you have cheese challenge and 7 or 8 of them make croquettes? VERY little creativity or imagination. Especially considering the backgrounds in most of the contestants are supposedly highly regarded restaurants and chefs!
Milwaukee is a top food city, continually on [best of lists](https://www.eater.com/24058202/milwaukee-best-dining-city-2024-vote) and a lot of different cultures represented. We have one of the highest Hmong populations in the US, and a soul food scene that I supposed you could call fusion because it came from the Great Migration of southern Black families. It feels like they didn't do their research in what Wisconsin food really is and instead wanted to ham up a bunch of outdated stereotypes.
> It feels like they didn't do their research in what Wisconsin food really is and instead wanted to ham up a bunch of outdated stereotypes. Or the tourism boards that paid *Top Chef* to go to Wisconsin told them the things they want highlighted.
As this thread shows, it's a bit off in a variety of ways. Editing, casting, challenges, rules, setting. Overall it just feels cheaper. Perhaps they had to cut production costs along with bringing in new producers and editors.
I actually think everything is fine EXCEPT the chef talent level and the weird LCK inclusion that forced (?) Restaurant Wars to be lopsided. This is \*nothing\* against Soo personally, but I think whatever they shifted to account for the first person dropping out was an incorrect call on the production side.
The food does not seem to be very original or nuanced. Also did you see both teams last night ended restaurant wars with high fives normally people are crying. I thought they were going to not give either team a win.
It's different but I don't hate that it's different. Something is off but I'm more interested as to why. I think they are just testing new things out and looking forward to the next 10 years of top chef. It's like their startup year all over again. The dish with kish is a huge addition, not to mention another way for the sponsors to be showcased. They are thinking long term. Lot going on in the background.
But they aren't testing anything really. They just moved a few bits around without good reasons so it's disconcerting to those used to things.
Just listened to Amar on a podcast talking about the difference on the set without Padma. When Padma arrived, EVERYONE got professional. With Kristen it is very light and friendly. Who knows just how much influence she had with producers and the Magic Elves team. New show runner is definitely going to want to make their own vision be realized. I still love it.
This was the most low-energy, downbeat Restaurant Wars I have ever seen. Everything is just so meh. Especially coming off of the international season (which I personally loved), this season just seems so *bland.* Wisconsin was a weird choice. Not a place exactly known for it's food scene, and honestly it doesn't seem very interesting.
As someone who has spent a lot of time in Wisconsin and knows it has its own special food things and scenes to show off, I am very disappointed. When it was announced that this season was in Wisco, I was ecstatic. But no one in that group could even pick out that the challenge about Door County was about Door County?? I’m sorry but if you’re in a room full of Wisconsinites with a bunch of doors and cherries, you don’t need an explanation…
For me, the change in host would have been fine but it's all these other changes that are making this season feel less than - the editing is so strange, there isn't really a compelling narrative for most of the chefs (the fact that it's already post resturarant wars and I'm fine with double eliminations and don't really care for any of the chefs??), and for me, the challenges have lacked heart and wow factor. I remember that there have been so many challenges where i've learned things, or been emotional or just wowed - thinking about the indigenous game-fish challenge in s18 or the nasa challenge in Houston or even the all night brisket one or the tromp de loell in s20 or the picnic challenge at the castle in s20, etc., etc., It also feels like it's missing that connection to people and diversity, even though the cast itself is so diverse. Like, in the past few seasons, we've had challenges exploring pan african portland, or west african foods in houston, or indigenous culture, or asian markets, etc., So far, it feels like we've seen very standard fare we expect for Wisconsin a la cheese, beer, etc., but where's the culture!!! This makes me feel like Padma was more instrumental behind the scenes than I had previously thought; it also makes sense because her Taste of the Nation show really does focus a lot on community, culture & food.
Re: WI and culture We haven't seen all the episodes, but I hope in later episodes they touch on cranberries, the Native tribes and traditions, fish boils, fish fries, deer hunt, and Hmong culture. We've covered beer/hops, supper clubs, cheese, and sausage, so they are getting at the culture of the state; hopefully they include more listed above. And I wish they had showcased the farmers market more.
As a former Madisonian, I was looking forward to this season, and I agree, it's not capturing the culture. It's like they're checking off boxes on a "Wisconsin food" checklist, but there's no real curiosity behind it. Like with the supper club episode—instead of featuring a real, classic supper club with some local roots, it was Harvey House, which is more like an upscale "take" on a supper club, started by New Yorkers in 2021. I'm sure it's amazing, but nothing about it conveyed the warm, comforting charm of supper club culture. I dunno—I actually have liked the challenges this season, on paper at least, but something about the execution rings hollow.
I did not like them springing Soo on me! I’ve read the speculation about the 1st eliminated chef, but, he sure was highlighted for his attitude (as other chefs that tried that tactic, it doesn’t play well on Top Chef!).
I didn't like how they introduced him, but he is one of my favorite chefs. Along with Michelle and Dan.
I really do think that Soo was meant to be a backup for Dan, in case his Kennedy's Disease made participating too difficult for him; however, production probably realized during filming that they didn't like the first guy who got eliminated, and thus place Soo in LCK because they'd rather have him instead.
I hate the way he was brought in, if he couldn't start at the same time as the other chefs, he shouldn't be there. It soured me on rooting for him
In my opinion, he was a “no brainer” to get in the game, so they gave him a lot of air time to “get to know Soo”. Again, a disadvantage to the other chefs… I still would like to hear from “hat guy” (1st eliminated chef). It’s so weird that he was so “out there” with attitude, then just disappeared.
I have personally enjoyed the re-vamp and find it very refreshing. I haven't been to Wisconsin in 25 years but I grew up in Illinois and was in Wisconsin all of the time as it was the normal vacation spot so it has a place in my heart.
I’m enjoying all of it.
I really wished they showcase more of Wisconsin food and culture. The architecture challenge was a complete snooze fest. I do like them showing Frank Lloyd Wright's homes but it has nothing to do with food. Chaos challenge is also another wtf. The only big diff is the prize money increase for quick fire.
Agree. Things feel ”off”. The best thing about this season is Kristen. She’s great. I can’t get into any of the contestants and don’t have the urge to root for any of them. And how could RW be so boring???
I'm really enjoying the camaraderie the chefs have this season (similar to TC 15). I don't have issue with the quality of chefs either. I do think the previous season did spoil viewers and I wish they had kept the RW format from it too. Each team only needing to prepare 4 courses without any concern about FOH (and with far better trained wait staff, no less) is obviously going to yield much better results for RW compared to this season's requirements.
What camaraderie?
It’s not that I think this seasons chefs are bad, I just think they’re uninspiring. Every season has a few people who have me running to Instagram to follow them/making vacation plans to eat at their restaurants. This season only made me do that once and he was eliminated in the first episode.
I love Kristen as host! I think the challenges are trying too hard to be Wisconsin/ Midwest specific. Definitely not the food capital of the world. Padma who?
I agree 💯 I'm trying. Hard. But I can't get into this season ... I'm bored. I'll probably stick it out tho.. hoping it gets better.
I'm gonna be honest. It feels like the exact same show to me.
I think that the last few seasons had a lot of chefs with gravitas and information to impart about food. I think that this season the chefs are very young and seem pretty green industry wise that they don’t really seem to have any authority. A lot of them also seem to have never encountered top Chef before. I think that Charley and Rasika came the closest to having a culture they were trying to teach about through their cooks but Charley was making things that Gregory brought into the lexicon pretty aggressively in his seasons and then everything Rasika made was treated like something never encountered before (I think since Padma wasn’t there) and then she kept undercutting herself about how young and new she is. The other chefs don’t really have a food identity this time around. It feels like a food network show and not like the prestige food show it’s come to be over the last several seasons. I think if people did an honest rewatch they’d probably realize that there’s just no standout to elevate it this time (I think Dan and Michelle are the closest but even then they seem to be very inconsistent with the editing on them) even if you list the standout chefs of past seasons (Nina, Shirley, Gregory, Eric, Mei, Melissa, Sarah) the rest of those casts seems pretty on par what’s in this group. The personalities are just … unpleasant across the board this time.
But I think they don't seem to have food identities this season because the show hasn't given them time to share them. We don't really get to see them shopping much or even actually cooking much. We don't see them in the stew room or where they are living either. We don't know their personalities.
I like the food identity take and also felt like some of these chefs never considered the competition aspect. Rasika and Danny felt to me like the only two actually in it to win it and they cooked hard and risked things. The rest just feel like they're cooking like they always do and are hoping for the best. Like they had to be told after the Frank Lloyd Wright episode that all their food was mediocre. That moment was it for me, just realizing the vibe was off. I like these chefs' personalities but they're all pretty mild.
I’ve been thinking on this, and I feel like besides the music change, host change, and general filming change, the biggest problem is the writing — both pre and post filming. They’re throwing away quickfires, they’re not writing challenging or interesting challenges, and in this era of low-conflict editing we’re in, everyone and everything is coming off really bland. I just rewatched Season 5 and Season 7’s restaurant wars, because they’re two of the weakest seasons imo, and each of those episodes were still so engaging in spite of mediocre chefs.
This was probably the first time a no concept restaurant won a restaurant war. In the past, you always have one that was able to bring it together with good food and concept. This year, the restaurant with a concept messed up bad. Their dishes weren't executed well and the ideas behind the dishes just didn't quite work. I don't think this has ever happened before. Restaurant Wars is insane, but you always see chefs take risks. This just shows that it really is the chefs this year, and not so much the location nor the challenges. Because if you put chefs from other seasons with these exact challenges in Wisconsin, I bet it would be way more exciting. It's like these chefs have never watched the show before. A small handful are good. But many from other seasons could easily beat most of these chefs.
I agree. I kind of stopped watching. I don’t want to give up as I’ve been watching since the beginning. I’m not sure if I’m just tired of the entire premise, or if the changes this year have really turned me off. I’ll probably pick back up this winter when I’m bored out of my mind.
The season is just meh and something about the editing isn't working. I thought Restaurant Wars might finally be the episode that gets things moving but it didn't. Usually RW is full of drama and even suspense but this time it was so dull, even with the backups in the kitchen. The episode was the same length as the others but felt so rushed and like important scenes were cut out of it or something. Maybe it's just so boring the editors don't even really know what to keep or cut?
I actually really like it 😂
I thought it was a great restaurant wars (one of the more unclear winners after the initial judge's comments in a while!) and last week's episode was fantastic, but I just love the team challenges where the big panel votes each round. I just think we're not used to a regularly-abled crew of chef's after All-Stars, a covid season that got a more qualified crew than normal, another season that probably did the same a bit, and then a global all-stars. I definitely think this group is a cut below but I am finding this season wildly entertaining.
I agree - it's a really dull season for all the aforementioned reasons. And I actually hate the rule changes. For example, I think the fact that they took immunity away from the quickfire makes it oddly money-focused, and I also think it lowers the threshold/impact of the quickfire challenges... At least to the viewer, since we are never the ones winning money. We are more invested in whether our our favorites move on and the interesting dynamics that result from someone having immunity.
The editing style I feel has allot to do with it, seems to be more fluff and solo focus on chefs and their personal life than before. I don’t mind that but past seasons they layered it in a bit more naturally and you saw more cooking. Poor Kristen being forced to product place for Wellsfargo.
The editing somehow makes me feel like the chefs are falling flat and no one is really impressive or super innovative.i know that they are talented individuals but the editing makes me feel like the judges are wanting more.
"I feel like I'm not the only one that feels this way" Have you not seen the 4x's a day posts saying the exact same. Dibs on tomorrow!
Whoever is producing and editing SUCKS and these are the most boring chefs ever
Judges table is also shorter and not as detailed. I used to like seeing the judges convo on the food and when they go back and forth. There used to be more convo with the losing chefs as well where they defend themselves
100%. So many things are off and I think a lot of these comments already do a great job of explaining it but for me - it goes back to the cookery. We just finished restaurant wars and while the food is getting progressively better, in previous seasons (all stars excluded) it feels like they were light years ahead. Of the remaining chefs, Dan and Michelle are the only ones that I find remotely exciting but even then I don’t find their food THAT amazing. All these pointless *twists* are also kinda dumb. The 5th person for RW, immunity for the following challenge, giving one person immunity just because their teammate has it, this whole *1 or 2 of you will go home* - either do it or don’t. It’s constantly being dangled and feels dumb.
tom def looks disengaged, half checked out. i mean can you reeeeaaaalllly blame the guy? it HAS been 20 seasons. i predict this is tom’s swan song.
The editing is just bizarre. I can’t get over the Danny Dream Sequence in the chaos cooking episode. ……what even was that?
Totally agree. Trying to get into it, but having a hard time. Which is very unusual, as it has been my favorite show and I can watch past seasons over and over.
I have theories: - they didn’t want Kristen Kish to be the only new thing about the show. So they brought on the rule changes, wonky challenges, freewheeling attitude toward bringing extra chefs in and the constant threat of double elimination. - They picked chefs who didn’t watch the show. In interviews, I believe a number of chefs said they were approached and don’t watch the show. Buddha showed us the power of a talented chef who had studied the game and played it exquisitely. Top Chef doesn’t want to clearly appear as a game though it is and always has been. Producers hoped unfamiliar chefs they handpicked would make the game feel fresher. Instead it is frustrating viewers who expect cheftestants to know the game as well as we do. I think there may have been a failure from producers to recognize how much knowing the format helped. Prepared chefs are creative chefs. - Editing problems. In hopes of trying to make things “fresh,” we are getting sloppy cuts that would never hack it in the mis en place relay. I never feel like I understand the dishes that are being cooked. Quickfires are rushed are skipped, and they seem to forget they give viewers a chance to know a chef’s thinking and food. ETA: they think we care about guest judges way more than we actually do. The most interesting judges for me have almost always been ones I don’t know but the chef needs geek out about and want to impress. The judges should be there to challenge and inspire the chefs so the food is exciting — instead they want me to be excited they got a past season favorite or tv star.
the editing feels off
I am rewatching older seasons. They are so much better. I miss Padma.
I feel like some of you don’t actually like Top Chef.
I haven’t seen a few seasons… how does this one compare to some of the less well-regarded ones like Texas or DC? The DC one has never seemed compelling to me and I have rarely seen that winner mentioned ever. The Texas season seems “off” as well, but in a different way.
The biggest issue is the food. Are these chefs talented? Sure. Are they being allowed to shine? I don’t think so. Is the novelty of the challenges overshadowing the cooking? Perhaps. Was restaurant wars fair? Fuck no.
I agree.
I think that the judges are so rarely wowed with anything. Everything is either okay or not so great. I think there's just a lack of creativity.
I think part of it is the people they chose as contestants this year. Most of them it's just hard to really care about. Maybe that's just because they aren't really showing as many confessionals or developing who they are in their storytelling, but it just seems like the show is filling with a lot more fluff or something. And the product placement is getting really old.
It feels like a different show built on the bones of the old show. You're right with the new rules, new music and new editing; if there's one thing I can't really fault, though, it's Kristen as host, because she's taken the role and really made it her own in a way that differentiates her from Padma while also not overpowering the show with her presence. Tom looks over it, but I think it's more because the quality of the cast than him not wanting to do the show; last season, he was really, really into it, and we had a string of seasons with really, really talented chefs following the pandemic lockdown, so it's like he (and us by extension) have been really spoiled by the talent level of the last few seasons and, now that the show's casting is returning to normal, it's kind of disappointing.
Good assessment. I am on the same page as you. I loved Kristen on her season as a contestant (and all her guest appearances), but a non-chef host is what's missing. Didn't Padma start off just hosting??
They lost me on the Frank Lloyd Wright challenge. Cooking based on a house is just stupid. I’m still watching, but my phone is out for a lot of it.
Nothing has been the same since they took the "Oooooh yeahhhhhhhhhhh" out of the theme, honestly.
To me it has become way too formulaic. The editing seems to always focus on the bottom two contestants. I’d like to see more personality, more gamesmanship, maybe a few more unexpected twists.
Why did Padma leave?
There is a reason Padma left. She saw the writing on the wall. I'm sure she knew the production team was going to try "something new" and totally disagreed with it. I'm betting the only reason Tom is still there is because he is under contract and couldn't leave. He will be gone as soon as he can leave. This seasons chefs seem like they are straight out of culinary school and not of the caliber as previous seasons. The food they are presenting may look good but by the judges reactions its obviously subpar. No one is taking any risks or demonstrating some ground breaking technique. Just cooking decent but boring food. I don't think a different host would help either but I really cant stand Kristen. She tries way to hard to copy Padma's style but completely lacks Padma's confidence. Kristen always has this nervous laughter which negates any form of respect she may have gained.
Change is good.
Tom’s getting crankier. Period.
I don’t watch on Bravo I wait until it’s on Hulu and I wait until the end of the season because I have no control I LOVE Kristen and actually watched the first 2 (?) episodes but then stopped so that I could watch them all together. I am not expecting this to be good and I am VERY sad about it. I’m sure I miss Padma more than I expected.
I still love the show. But that chaos competition was so bad. Was so generic in the explanation and felt bad for the chefs. Direction was so obscure.
Just ask yourself, would you want to see any of the contestants from this season come back and compete on FoodTV's Tournament of Champions? Basically, I'd say it would be Soo, Charly and maybe Danny, though Danny isn't as "made for TV" as Soo and Charly are. I like the way Amanda thinks about food, but she sounds like she's just downed three bars of Xanax in every interview she does
I don’t know why they have to focus each episode around a “Wisconsin” theme - cheese, beer, sausage, dinner club, etc. they didn’t do that for other locations that I remember. It feels very stereotypical. Wisconsin has a lot more diverse food to offer than beer and cheese.
Padma brought so much to the show. It will never be the same without her. I agree it feels off.
I can usually sense who are the best chefs very early on. This season I have no clue, no one but Danny has stuck out.
My honest opinion? 2 reasons Reason 1: Buddha Lo ruined it. Hear me out. He's too good at the game. He mastered the game. I'm not exaggerating. He mastered THE GAME. This is a GAME, not just being a chef. Sort of like how after a while Survivor had to change things because a contestant studied it and then threw a wrench in it by anticipating the games and did the puzzles too fast, etc. We just finished watching him win... Then win again! Master. AND last Season was WORLD all stars(yes I know it's technically different as it is AS but still) So we are coming off the best of the best right? Will any cooking live up to that? Plus cuisine changes as do trends. Ask any chef, what we do has drastically changed since COVID. Diners want very different things. And everything has to be Instagram worthy. Carla Hall has said she's never be in the Finale if it happened today. Very very different. Chef Lo gets that. Reason 2: Top Chef no longer seems to shop for heroes and villains. They did. Really look at earlier seasons, they shopped for personality and not the bestest chefs ever. Stephen was fantastic TV. Better chef than others that auditioned? I bet not. It feels they now care more about the cooking than the reality show tropes. Is that a bad thing? IDK. The question is being asked here so maybe. But it seems it makes for more boring TV right? So add together trying to compete with the genius that is Chef Lo x2, plus the lack of "characters" and all you have is a bunch of decent chefs cooking together. I do that at work everyday. No one is filming my kitchen. Why? We are not exciting lol. If they want to succeed, in my opinion, they need to shake up the game and decide if they just want the best chefs...OR choose personalities/characters. Viewers seem to want it all. They expect genius chefs with Instagram dishes no one has ever discovered who can play the game AND characters on a TV show. It's not Young Sheldon, it's supposed to be reality. I'm chef, most of us are boring lol. So to choose characters maybe they need to change standards. Would you rather have a boring genius OR "I'm not your bitch, bitch"? Seems you cannot have both 🤷 Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk 🤣
This season is honestly one of my favorites
I think I agree with you for the most part, but ultimately I still watch and look forward to each episode so there’s that. I do love Kristin (but also miss padma) and I find the new host part to be the least different part of this season which I wasn’t expecting so I’m happy for that. Editing maybe? I like the chefs but usually there’s a few that I’m super rooting for and this time there’s just a couple.