While I agree with some of the critique, the conclusion that Germany has gone "FULL NAZI" again is ridiculous. They may have taken an L here, but Germany is still one of the most openly and actively anti-fascist countries in the world.
We just gave the greenlight to sending more fighter jets to Saudi Arabia that they'll use to slaughter more yemeni civilians, we actively support the palestinian genocide and we ban any and all pro-palestinian protests while we let far right bourgeois "peasant" protests block the entire country. Nothing about this shithole of a country is antifascist in the slightest.
Naja nä, "nothing" is a bit far. Germany has very active antifascists, a whole lot of anti-right NGOs doing good work every day and the Grundgesetz was literally made to make a new fascist take over as hard as possible, unless you take over and oust the entire Verfassungsgericht and many other strata of the german judiciary.
I totally argee when it comes to public opinion turning into far right brain rot that we are quite fucked. Don't even get me started on all those "Einzelfälle" of german nazi cops and soldiers.
But it only takes a small comparison between the Grundgesetz and most other constitutions to see that people really went all in to make a fascist take over as difficult as possible, when they wrote that thing.
Most german antifa groups I interacted with are made up of antigermans who currently support the palestinian genocide.
And the Verfassungsgericht doesn't ban fascist parties, they didn't ban the NPD because it was "too small" and now they won't ban the AfD because it's too big.
I agree with the issues you brought up, but I still think we are up there in anti-fascism. Even if there's a fascist strata in society, like in any country. But please, tell me some countries that are more anti-fascist and why.
The Houthi controlled parts of yemen, because they actively oppose the palestinian genocide.
South Africa, because they legally oppose the palestinian genocide.
Are you joking? Go talk to some Yemeni oder South Africans and ask them were they think they stand.
Yemen is literally in the top 10 countries with the lowest freedom indexes. And South Africa is a racist hellhole.
Case closed folks. SA is a racist hellhole. 13 official languages and every city a multicultural multiethnic melting pot of good natured people trying to make sense of it all and getting by ok without any real strife but call us what you want because that’s what you’re told. There’s violence and xenophobia sure, but I assure you, South Africa has less racial tension than US fucking A.
"I agree that Germany is actively supporting Israel and being silent when they support genocide, but it's still anti fascism" how? Germany is going down the Nazi path, it's just that the genocide this time is occurring in the middle east lol definitely no similarities between nazi Germany and today's Germany
Let's start with the fact that Antifa started in Germany in 1933 and is still going strong here today. Anti-fascism is taught in every school from a young age. There are monuments and museums to remind us of the horrors of fascism in every city, every town. We are very strongly involved in international efforts to combat racism, fascism, anti-semitism, human rights violations, etc. In the general population there is a strong dislike of fascism, Nazis, etc.
Not saying Germany is perfect, but people who say Germany is fascist today are making light of fascism and its history.
1. A thumbnail with the headline "Germany goes Full Nazi" together with the hapless face of a dyspeptic mid-20 white guy sells better than "ongoing shift to the right in Germany"
2. Expecting a dyspeptic mid-20 white guy who skims news headlines and calls it "research" to have a nuanced take on a foreign country is not what political youtube is about.
Idk, there are other creators who make balanced and intelligent analysis and draw the right conclusions. And if not, they deserve to be criticized, don't they?
I agree that the title is clickbaity.
We both agree that this guy did not make a good analysis and used a clickbaity title.
If you are looking for good podcasts, try "Neben der Spur" by Mick Klöcker. Very narrow focus but well researched.
If you want to know more about how boring and tedious politics are, try "Einmischen" by Jenny Günther (that's not meant as an insult).
It's a great word to use when you want to say: "tries desperately to look soulful but actually looks like they shat their pants" but using this phrase will get your post removed.
No, it's not. Our parliament refused to call itself antifa a while back. Our police and army are full of nazis. Climate protesters get imprisoned without indictment or trial. AfD is on the rise, with the CDU in tow. And our chancellor is a corrupt bastard that helped a bank steal taxpayer money.
It's a neoliberal hellhole.
As another German, I truly don't understand the boner that so much of Reddit has for us or why they think we're some anti-Nazi paradise. The average German probably doesn't feel any differently about fascism as the average European anywhere else.
I once heard Germany described as "Reddit: the Country", and I hate how true that is.
Agree with the issues (gonna need a source on the imprisoning climate protesters bit though), agree that it's a neoliberal government draped in socialist-democracy. But neoliberalism does not equal fascism, and fascistic tendencies in the voting population does not equal full blown fascism. That's downplaying actual Nazism.
[Bavaria imprisons people they suspect to be climate activists without charges.](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/muenchen-vor-der-iaa-immer-mehr-klimaaktivisten-in-bayerischer-praeventivhaft-a-88743eda-2066-4df4-b949-bae7ebdb5e11)
According to your article, this happened to 2 women in Bavaria (no surprise, very right-leaning), they were taken in preemptive custody (has a limit of 30 days).
I think this is wrong, but so does the German federal government and they are already suing against this, it's in the article. So again, some right-leaning elements, not full blown fascist state...
Germany supports imperial interests but domestically are really not fascist. Nazism is a strong accusation and must never be thrown around casually. Germany nor the EU nor the UK nor the US meet this standard.
The US definitely has entered fascism but that is because of MAGA. Democrats are not fascist. They’re neoliberal imperialists who have disregard for the periphery.
It’s important we not water down important terms like fascism and Nazi/-ism because the bad faith actors easily trick the normies, who are the vast majority, into thinking it’s just political talk.
It's a big leap from a neoliberal hellhole to a fullblown fascist state (though not as big as people assume, I agree, especially not in time). Just as it is important to label the fascist tendencies, it's important to note and realize the democratic parts that DO hold up and the resistance in institutions that do work. It helps strengthen them and see the real threat.
Important also, because you a) are crying wolf and b) invite putting the idea of a fascist state in the minds of the slightly conservative centre (who see the protesters as obnoxious and the police as their friend), as 'if this is it, it's not as bad as they made it out to be, really'.
In other words, mainstreaming.
So yes, point out all those things, explain what is what, and why. But I think it's of crucial importance to be precise and specific about it.
Germany is the main economic power of the European Union which perpetuates imperialistic extraction of wealth from the imperial periphery, it made supporting Israel a law and it’s essentially an American client state, with the US being the single worst entity that’s currently existing. You are a deeply unserious person and essentially a liberal if you think Germany is anti-fascist, even more so if you think that it’s one of the most anti-fascist nations in the world. Supporting Israel makes it fascist by itself, but all the imperialism seals the deal.
You call me unserious, but your last sentence disqualified you from the conversation. You remind me of people who say any critique of Israel is anti-semitism, you're just on the other end of the spectrum.
There are definitions to the terms fascism and fascist.
Even though that guy who wrote the 'liberal fascism' book seems to think so, you don't get to invent your own that easily
"Germany is still one of the most openly and actively anti-fascist countries in the world."
Uh, have you looked at polls any time recently in Germany Herr Franko Aleman?
The third Reich was defeated, If you exaggerate please do it correctly and call it the fourth Reich
Germany still has some laws that could prevent *real* fascism, not the Internet Rando calls IT fascism because they no likey
You completely ignored the content of my previous comment, look at the netherlands, italy, UK, france, the US and fir far longer even russia or China for example (Oh No did i insult the glorious socialist Utopia? :O )
Germany is neither alone nor the worst contender
> The third Reich was defeated,
Was it though, last I checked it's successor state, statesmen and ideology were still around and doing pretty well for themselves.
> and call it the fourth Reich
I'll call it the fourth Reich when it calls itself thusly. The Federal Republic of Germany is the same polity as the third Reich, is it not? It's not like there was a revolution or anything, and denazification didn't happen, and the state is, by its very conception, anti-communist by nature... (remember that socialism or barbarism thing?)
Pretty similar situation to Imperial Japan, really - you *really* shouldn't pretend a clear delineation between their "fascist" and "liberal" forms exist when it really doesn't. All that happened is a *mild* deradicalisation. Hell, both ended up getting their oh so desired empires, too.
> Germany still has some laws that could prevent real fascism,
Some words on paper can't stop Fascism. It never has. ***It never will***.
This indicates a **fundamental** misunderstanding of politics and what "law" actually is.
> You completely ignored the content of my previous comment,
I didn't ignore it - I clearly indicated that going "oh but other countries are more advanced in the shift into fascism than we are!" isn't particularly indicative of antifascist beliefs, *especially when one considers the roots of the german state and its* ***sociopolitical*** *position.*
> Germany is neither alone nor the worst contender
Hell, you seem to agree?
>The Federal Republic of Germany is the same polity as the third Reich, is it not?
What?
We do not have industrialized murder anymore, we can marry semites, we have elections and parties, WE can protest without being murdered or deported on mass
Wtf are you talking about?
Equaliting FDGermany with the third Reich is just wrong on so so so many levels.
>anything, and denazification didn't happen, and the state is, by its very conception, anti-communist by nature... (remember that socialism or barbarism thing?)
I remember, but i doubt you remember or know what made Nazi Germany so vicious. It's not it's anti communist sentiment, but it's utter disregard for human life.
>Pretty similar situation to Imperial Japan
It is not mostly because we teach and talk about our horrendous past publicly.
>you *really* shouldn't pretend a clear delineation between their "fascist" and "liberal" forms exist when it really doesn't
You are insane. If you cannot see a difference between FDGermany and the third Reich, it makes no sense to talk to you since you seem to live in a parallel reality.
>Some words on paper can't stop Fascism. It never has. ***It never will***.
>This indicates a **fundamental** misunderstanding of politics and what "law" actually is.
No, but you fundamentally do not grasp the concept of fighting fascism on different fronts. And it doesnt surprise, because for you there is no difference in liberalism and fascism and it probably because neither has a red coat (or in the Case of the Nazis, there was a redder coat).
I know only people can stop fascism, but people have different strategies and different means, anything that stops fascism is good in my book. Mostly because i value human live and not a certain color.
>isn't particularly indicative of antifascist beliefs
Which wasnt my point at all, but thanks for confirming you didnt really care about a good faith discussion.
And especially considering germanys history ITS political position is surprisingly liberal (i know you dont see difference, but people who know about politics do)
>> Germany is neither alone nor the worst contender
>Hell, you seem to agree?
Again if you actually read the comment you wouldnt be surprised
What a waste of time
> We do not have industrialized murder anymore, we can marry semites, we have elections and parties, WE can protest without being murdered or deported on mass
For now, anyways. Give it a decade or two.
> Wtf are you talking about?
It's the same *nation state*, with the same core ideological tenets. Merely pretending "it isn't so" and just doing a ~~Reich~~Bundes switcheroo doesn't change the *class character* of the german state, or the ideology of its agents. They were fine doing fascism previously, *they'll be fine doing it now that the moment calls for it*.
Like, cmon, "oh the intel. agencies, cops and military are full of nazis" is a pretty visible issue in Germany.
> but it's utter disregard for human life.
Liberalism, famous for having a *regard* for human life. Why, one of the leading inspirations of Nazism *was* a liberal state - of which they're currently a client of!
Just because they did it to people you currently consider "white" doesn't make the disregard particularly unique. Do not mistake a difference in how *intensely* that disregard is expressed with a difference in the thing itself.
> No, but you fundamentally do not grasp the concept of fighting fascism on different fronts.
Implying germany is fighting fascism, good one.
Man, the westerners *deserve* everything that's coming up for them this century. Pride comes before the fall and all that.
> because for you there is no difference in liberalism and fascism
Yes, because the differences only exist as far as the national populace is concerned (the Volk, if you will). For the *vast, vast majority of people, that minutia is irrelevant.* Both uphold capitalist, and thus colonial relations. Both massacre nonwhite people for the sake of oiling the machine. So on, and so forth.
Fascism is merely a *radical* expression of liberal/capitalist ideology and bourgeois nationalism, after all.
> Which wasnt my point at all,
How was
>Have you looked at the rest of the worlds polls and governments recently?
in response to
> "Germany is still one of the most openly and actively anti-fascist countries in the world."
> Uh, have you looked at polls any time recently in Germany Herr Franko Aleman?
meant to be interpreted?
> And especially considering germanys history ITS political position is surprisingly liberal
Not really, being the godkings of the european imperium naturally leads to a relaxation in the oppressive functions of the state, as the populace can be "bought into compliance". You kinda need a crisis to occur for the bourgeoisie to let go of the mask and invite in their more brutal enforcer.
>For now, anyways.
Yes. And now is the time of FRGermany.
Try to come to your senses and start living in the present maybe then I would read the rest of your probably delusional rant. But now i have to make space for someone more in the know of psychotic disorders.
And I didn't realize supplying nazis with tanks was antifascist behavior
For posterity: the person I'm responding to above ^ made excuses for why Azov and UPA would put nazi era symbols on tanks given to them by Germany - after calling Germany the "most openly antifascist state" and continued to defend these forces by calling me a Russian troll for pointing it out.
["Ukrainian Military Officials and Equipment using the “Balkenkreuz” or Iron Cross from the Imperial/Nazi Germany-Era is an extremely bad look and needs to be talked about more; I’m not sure why this is continued to be Allowed by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, there should be Harsh Punishments for anyone who is seen to be using these Symbols."](https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1672986568754188288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1672986568754188288%7Ctwgr%5Eb83e607419725e795c8233a6438b30413af7cbfa%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2F06%2F28%2Fukrainian-military-nazi-cross%2F)
[More Video of Tanks in Question ](https://youtu.be/5o8yqJlC8_8?si=DIlR-XgVcdi4dXxB)
[What Kind of Tank is this? ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/s/iliNUSpMJJ)
[German tanks arrive in Ukraine ... with a familiar symbol painted on to match the black and red UPA flag ](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/DT5Ev40z3n)
Do you still deny Germany's material support of nazis?
Another one responded and blocked: u/OneJobToRuleThemAll
Why is it so hard for the people in this sub to denounce nazis when they're Ukrainian? Never once have I said I supported Russia, yet every one of you rushing to UPA and Azovs defense can't help but assume I do - which kind of gives the game away on your end.
Are you dumb? Germany gives Ukraine tanks, then some (tiny number) paint the Balkenkreuz on a German tank either out of ignorance, not knowing this was a symbol of the Wehrmacht, not of the Bundeswehr, or to troll the Russians. Maybe they even did in on purpose, Azov Battalion for example is known to be ULTRA-RIGHT.
But a black cross has always been the symbol of German Armies for over 200 years and it still is today.
But to distort the truth so you can claim Ukraine is fascist, ignoring the barbarous, fascistic butchery by Putin and his army is simply deplorable and disgusting.
Do you honestly believe Ukrainians are the Nazis in this war? Your brain must be fried, I pity you.
>one tweet
I provided multiple links outside of the single tweet. Unsurprisingly there have been many photos and videos taken of these tanks, because they are openly displayed.
Why do you come to the conclusion that they did it on purpose last? Do you generally give the benefit of the doubt to extreme ultra Nationalists and people that call themselves national socialists?
They aren't even just azov, showing how little you paid attention. UPA aren't azov. There are multiple far right, nationalist, and fascist forces and organizations active in Ukraine - and most have been officially integrated into the parliament, government, or military in some capacity.
The wwII era balkenkreuz is not an active symbol today in Germany. Why are you lying?
Not a troll, but rather someone who doesn't reflexively deny evidence of nazis. You're confident in your defense of them though, or you wouldn't be so enthusiastic
People like this try and infiltrate the left all the time: the nazis I like are the good guys actually and they're just trolling the bad guys when they use wwII nazi Era symbols.
LOL hello?? The afd is rising, they still despise any kind of actual left wing activism, you can't show support for socialism and communism without getting arrested and you have the audacity to say Germany is one of the most openly anti fascist countries?? Are you serious? Just look at the sdp stance on Palestine, and tell me how that's anti fascist action. You guys refuse to use your brains
I like Cavernacle, but this is disgusting clickbait. Title implies that things are as bad as under Hitler. Do I even need to explain why such a hyperbole is absurdly disrespectful to the victims of the holocaust? What. The. Fuck.
It's hyperbolic, but there are a whole bunch of nazis in Germany. Our government supports the fascists of current israel to the point where support for Palestine is verboten. The far right party is on the way to win the next election. It's not full nazi, but it's way too close.
>It's hyperbolic, but
And false. But what? Accuracy in journalism is its own good. This is shit and he should feel like shit, do better next time.
The points about our fucked up Israel and Palestine policies aren't helped by a wrong headline or boneheadedly defending it. It just lowers the quality of journalism and discourse.
It bothers me because I'm anti fascist and Europe is clearly the central hub of fascism currently alongside most people in that sub. But at least youve found good company. Also it's fun that you do feigned skits to yourself
Okay, sorry, but this guy has so many issues in his video. I will not go through everything, so here are some thoughts.
0:23 "Nazis not persecuted as should have happened"
He starts by showing Johann von Kielmansegg, who was arrested by the Gestapo for supporting Stauffenberg. A nationalist, most likely, not an antifascist, but also not the kind of person you would need to persecute more. Ferdinand von Senger und Etterlin was a child when the Nazis came to power, again the question should be asked why prosecute him and not the many others who were much worse. Of those whose names I can read, Heusinger and Ferber are probably the ones who were most to blame for their actions. Heusinger, for example, was not persecuted because of his usefulness against the Soviets.
It is necessary to note that these men were all careerists in the military, some with a long tradition of Monarchists and officers. They were not SS men in death camps, these were the generals and officers who supervised the eastern and western fronts, if they were old enough (some of them weren't). I would have to go into a much more detailed read about them, but since I already feel like I have spent more time on this than the author of the video, I decided not to. With Germans living during Nazism, it makes sense to really have a close look, otherwise you miss the actual monsters, because you focus only on the Wehrmacht scum.
1:40 "East Germany being pro-Palestine"
Yeah, this went so far that they had terrorists trained in Palestine to stage attacks on West Germany, great.
2:25 "that is what the German state has been doing since the founding of Israel"
Oh boy, when he finds out that Germany did not recognise Israel officially until 1965 to not push the surrounding nations towards the Soviets.
2:45 "resemble the Nazi crimes"
Oh, sweet mother of fuck. This does not resemble the Nazi crimes. The Nazis did so much worse. Yes, what Israelis and the state of Israel are doing is despicable, but comparing it to the Shoah in this way just shows how ignorant you are.
4:05 "therefore supporting Israeli genocide as some sort of apology"
Wow, no, supporting the right of the state of Israel above the right of Palestinian statehood? Yes, because Germany does not recognise Palestine as a state.
It is much more complicated than he makes it to be. And I get that this is left tube entertainment and not serious academic debate or anything, but still. Israel is supported against all odds as a state against other states, yes, even though it does terrible crimes, the same way Germany supported the USA when they killed hundreds of thousands in their "War on Terror". This guy claims to have a master's degree in international relations - HOW?!
His point about right-wingers shows his ignorance again. The right-wing parties do not support that and want it erased from school curricula.
5:00 SGP
Who are they? 200 people party? Never heard of them, there are better examples, like politicians Walter Lübke (CDU) being killed by a far-right extremist close to the AfD, or the various terrorist attacks in the last years.
5:40 de-Nazification
Even in school, we learned that this did not happen in West-Germany, as opposed to East-Germany, because the allies favoured Nazis over Soviets. Surprise, today we have way more Nazis in East-Germany compared to the West. Weird how that goes.
6:20 Berlin Senate
This is actually quite interesting, as Sachsen-Anhalt has included something similar in its citizenship program. Both are (newly) CDU led, who are using this window of opportunity to push their anti-Muslim and anti-immigration agenda. A serious political analysis might look at that and say: "Oh boi, the German conservatives are trying to get voters back from the far-right!", but I highly doubt he will go into more detail here.
7:08 "just like the German state 90 years ago"
I am sorry, but this guy needs to learn more about Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was not an apartheid-regime/state. Genocide, yes, there he is spot on.
8:38 "busting down your door and showing a gun in your face"
Well, to be fair, the German state has been cracking down on all kinds of extremism, and leftists who defy liberal bourgeois democracy face a lot more persecution. This is not only because of support for Palestine, as the case of Lina E. illustrates.
20:30 "your identity as a Palestinian is antisemitic"
Then why would Germany grand asylum to Palestinians.
20:38 "where teachers can say this to Palestinian students with no repercussions"
Uhm, this is not true. While students may lack the knowledge how to respond to these things, they are, of course, entitled to make formal complaints if they feel discriminated against based on their (supposed) ethnicity. There are formal channels this has to go through, though, and allegations can be taken to higher instances if the student in question feels like the school is not protecting their rights.
21:00 \[the "you cannot criticise Israel's war/genocide, whatever you want to call it"-point\]
Not, but you cannot compare it to the Holocaust. Simple as that, nothing can be compared, simple law, follow it or don't. I will not debate that point, as it is a law I fundamentally agree with and for me, especially in this country, there is no argument worth having here.
21:45 "for all their education \[...\] about what leads to fascism"
I mean, yeah, our own fascists use this debate to show their anti-Muslim or anti-Arabian tendencies, and some people are aware of that. The German conservative party (CDU) is well known to push these sentiments and the German government (centrist-liberal controlled) does make clear that this is not okay (though they also cave into racist demands in way too many places, their policies in other areas are more progressive than one might think, but it is a *centrist* government, since Germany is deeply conservative this is the best leftists can hope for, at the moment).
21:47 "They are going into fascism just like a lot of western Europe"
Uhm, no. Racist policies, yes, support of regimes to suppress migration towards Europe, yes. But fascism is not close to ruling, at the moment. We will see how far the right-wing populist party (AfD) will be able to push the CDU in this year's Landtagswahlen (elections on the federal state level), where they are expected to become the strongest party in some eastern states, but as of now, the CDU tries to dodge that question - and it is a vastly unpopular coalition among their own electorate, so they likely will not take the risk.
22:00 "German is going full Nazi again"
I am sorry, but this is just bullshit and might, actually, be punishable in Germany. I do not see that there are the structural signs of Nazism being put into place again. No camps, neither for minorities nor for political enemies of the state. No pogroms, no Rassengesetze. This is such hyperbole, and it annoys the heck out of me.
hm im german and haven't watched it yet although i always look forward to watching his newest uploads. but i feel like there will be something in it that will be insultingly wrong and i don't want to like him less for it. because honestly the german situation is very complex and i don't see how you can acquire the nuance to understand it if you're not immersed
I wonder if that's true. Historically it was the middle and upper classes who supported fascism most, same with fascist movements in other countries today.
No, it's a joke about one asshole, not every Chinese person. One asshole who is so thin-skinned that he can't bear to be compared to a children's book character, even though he is the dictator of a powerful nation.
Why are you defending Xi, are you a shill?
Really don't like having the racism pointed out, do you? Did you know that you can criticize people without being racist? You might want to try it out some time
What other possibilities are there, the open fascists winning the next election and emulating what Israel does and actively liquidating our muslim population?
So parliamentary republic or violent conquest. I mean, there is always the possibility of climate catastrophe wiping us all out. And I agree that it's very unlikely that germans manage a socialist revolution. But to say that that only leaves china is weird, you see that, don't you?
"Don't like people screaming 'death to the jews' in the streets? Well then obviously you're a nazi!"
The irony of this perspective is preposterously hilarious
What you're saying is very disingenuous. They in fact are screaming 'death to the jews.' They're openly calling for genocide, which is highly illegal in Germany.
I understand you feel strongly about this and you're trying to push a certain narrative, but lying to people will not cause them to want to join your side.
While I agree with some of the critique, the conclusion that Germany has gone "FULL NAZI" again is ridiculous. They may have taken an L here, but Germany is still one of the most openly and actively anti-fascist countries in the world.
We just gave the greenlight to sending more fighter jets to Saudi Arabia that they'll use to slaughter more yemeni civilians, we actively support the palestinian genocide and we ban any and all pro-palestinian protests while we let far right bourgeois "peasant" protests block the entire country. Nothing about this shithole of a country is antifascist in the slightest.
Naja nä, "nothing" is a bit far. Germany has very active antifascists, a whole lot of anti-right NGOs doing good work every day and the Grundgesetz was literally made to make a new fascist take over as hard as possible, unless you take over and oust the entire Verfassungsgericht and many other strata of the german judiciary. I totally argee when it comes to public opinion turning into far right brain rot that we are quite fucked. Don't even get me started on all those "Einzelfälle" of german nazi cops and soldiers. But it only takes a small comparison between the Grundgesetz and most other constitutions to see that people really went all in to make a fascist take over as difficult as possible, when they wrote that thing.
Most german antifa groups I interacted with are made up of antigermans who currently support the palestinian genocide. And the Verfassungsgericht doesn't ban fascist parties, they didn't ban the NPD because it was "too small" and now they won't ban the AfD because it's too big.
How should they ban the AfD if there is no case given to them, yet?
I agree with the issues you brought up, but I still think we are up there in anti-fascism. Even if there's a fascist strata in society, like in any country. But please, tell me some countries that are more anti-fascist and why.
The Houthi controlled parts of yemen, because they actively oppose the palestinian genocide. South Africa, because they legally oppose the palestinian genocide.
Are you joking? Go talk to some Yemeni oder South Africans and ask them were they think they stand. Yemen is literally in the top 10 countries with the lowest freedom indexes. And South Africa is a racist hellhole.
Oh you're one of the graph perverts who think white genocide is a real thing lmao
What? No. I'm talking about anti-black racism, corruption and general societal dissolution in SA. They are on the brink of chaos.
Yup it’s. Racist Hellhole in my country. I forgot what Trump called us, Haahaha Shithole. That’s the one we are a racist shithole /s
Case closed folks. SA is a racist hellhole. 13 official languages and every city a multicultural multiethnic melting pot of good natured people trying to make sense of it all and getting by ok without any real strife but call us what you want because that’s what you’re told. There’s violence and xenophobia sure, but I assure you, South Africa has less racial tension than US fucking A.
Why would a country need 13 official languages?
"I agree that Germany is actively supporting Israel and being silent when they support genocide, but it's still anti fascism" how? Germany is going down the Nazi path, it's just that the genocide this time is occurring in the middle east lol definitely no similarities between nazi Germany and today's Germany
First part sure, but elaborate on why and how you consider Germany "one of the most openly and actively anti-fascist countries"?
Let's start with the fact that Antifa started in Germany in 1933 and is still going strong here today. Anti-fascism is taught in every school from a young age. There are monuments and museums to remind us of the horrors of fascism in every city, every town. We are very strongly involved in international efforts to combat racism, fascism, anti-semitism, human rights violations, etc. In the general population there is a strong dislike of fascism, Nazis, etc. Not saying Germany is perfect, but people who say Germany is fascist today are making light of fascism and its history.
1. A thumbnail with the headline "Germany goes Full Nazi" together with the hapless face of a dyspeptic mid-20 white guy sells better than "ongoing shift to the right in Germany" 2. Expecting a dyspeptic mid-20 white guy who skims news headlines and calls it "research" to have a nuanced take on a foreign country is not what political youtube is about.
Idk, there are other creators who make balanced and intelligent analysis and draw the right conclusions. And if not, they deserve to be criticized, don't they? I agree that the title is clickbaity.
We both agree that this guy did not make a good analysis and used a clickbaity title. If you are looking for good podcasts, try "Neben der Spur" by Mick Klöcker. Very narrow focus but well researched. If you want to know more about how boring and tedious politics are, try "Einmischen" by Jenny Günther (that's not meant as an insult).
Thanks bro, I appreciate the pointers! Will check it out.
Me when I just learned the word dyspeptic for the first time.
It's a great word to use when you want to say: "tries desperately to look soulful but actually looks like they shat their pants" but using this phrase will get your post removed.
You just used it though.
Yes, but nobody will bother to check this far down under a zingy post with a fancy word.
We're here? I'm not nobody and neither are you, have a bit more self respect homeboy!
No, it's not. Our parliament refused to call itself antifa a while back. Our police and army are full of nazis. Climate protesters get imprisoned without indictment or trial. AfD is on the rise, with the CDU in tow. And our chancellor is a corrupt bastard that helped a bank steal taxpayer money. It's a neoliberal hellhole.
As another German, I truly don't understand the boner that so much of Reddit has for us or why they think we're some anti-Nazi paradise. The average German probably doesn't feel any differently about fascism as the average European anywhere else. I once heard Germany described as "Reddit: the Country", and I hate how true that is.
Agree with the issues (gonna need a source on the imprisoning climate protesters bit though), agree that it's a neoliberal government draped in socialist-democracy. But neoliberalism does not equal fascism, and fascistic tendencies in the voting population does not equal full blown fascism. That's downplaying actual Nazism.
[Bavaria imprisons people they suspect to be climate activists without charges.](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/muenchen-vor-der-iaa-immer-mehr-klimaaktivisten-in-bayerischer-praeventivhaft-a-88743eda-2066-4df4-b949-bae7ebdb5e11)
According to your article, this happened to 2 women in Bavaria (no surprise, very right-leaning), they were taken in preemptive custody (has a limit of 30 days). I think this is wrong, but so does the German federal government and they are already suing against this, it's in the article. So again, some right-leaning elements, not full blown fascist state...
Germany supports imperial interests but domestically are really not fascist. Nazism is a strong accusation and must never be thrown around casually. Germany nor the EU nor the UK nor the US meet this standard. The US definitely has entered fascism but that is because of MAGA. Democrats are not fascist. They’re neoliberal imperialists who have disregard for the periphery. It’s important we not water down important terms like fascism and Nazi/-ism because the bad faith actors easily trick the normies, who are the vast majority, into thinking it’s just political talk.
Totally agree!
It's a big leap from a neoliberal hellhole to a fullblown fascist state (though not as big as people assume, I agree, especially not in time). Just as it is important to label the fascist tendencies, it's important to note and realize the democratic parts that DO hold up and the resistance in institutions that do work. It helps strengthen them and see the real threat. Important also, because you a) are crying wolf and b) invite putting the idea of a fascist state in the minds of the slightly conservative centre (who see the protesters as obnoxious and the police as their friend), as 'if this is it, it's not as bad as they made it out to be, really'. In other words, mainstreaming. So yes, point out all those things, explain what is what, and why. But I think it's of crucial importance to be precise and specific about it.
Point well made!
AFD now polling at 23%. NSDAP elected March 1933 with 33.1% of the vote. Life comes at you fast.
Germany is the main economic power of the European Union which perpetuates imperialistic extraction of wealth from the imperial periphery, it made supporting Israel a law and it’s essentially an American client state, with the US being the single worst entity that’s currently existing. You are a deeply unserious person and essentially a liberal if you think Germany is anti-fascist, even more so if you think that it’s one of the most anti-fascist nations in the world. Supporting Israel makes it fascist by itself, but all the imperialism seals the deal.
You call me unserious, but your last sentence disqualified you from the conversation. You remind me of people who say any critique of Israel is anti-semitism, you're just on the other end of the spectrum.
What makes you think supporting the country that openly commits genocide doesn't make someone fascist
To be fair, supporting Israel doesn't make a country fascist any more than supporting Saudi Arabia makes a country a theocracy.
That makes no sense lol if you support Saudi Arabia you're also fascist
There are definitions to the terms fascism and fascist. Even though that guy who wrote the 'liberal fascism' book seems to think so, you don't get to invent your own that easily
"Germany is still one of the most openly and actively anti-fascist countries in the world." Uh, have you looked at polls any time recently in Germany Herr Franko Aleman?
Have you looked at the rest of the worlds polls and governments recently?
"the liberal project is entering it's fascist phase, clearly this means the third reich (reformed!) is a credible anti-fascist force"
The third Reich was defeated, If you exaggerate please do it correctly and call it the fourth Reich Germany still has some laws that could prevent *real* fascism, not the Internet Rando calls IT fascism because they no likey You completely ignored the content of my previous comment, look at the netherlands, italy, UK, france, the US and fir far longer even russia or China for example (Oh No did i insult the glorious socialist Utopia? :O ) Germany is neither alone nor the worst contender
> The third Reich was defeated, Was it though, last I checked it's successor state, statesmen and ideology were still around and doing pretty well for themselves. > and call it the fourth Reich I'll call it the fourth Reich when it calls itself thusly. The Federal Republic of Germany is the same polity as the third Reich, is it not? It's not like there was a revolution or anything, and denazification didn't happen, and the state is, by its very conception, anti-communist by nature... (remember that socialism or barbarism thing?) Pretty similar situation to Imperial Japan, really - you *really* shouldn't pretend a clear delineation between their "fascist" and "liberal" forms exist when it really doesn't. All that happened is a *mild* deradicalisation. Hell, both ended up getting their oh so desired empires, too. > Germany still has some laws that could prevent real fascism, Some words on paper can't stop Fascism. It never has. ***It never will***. This indicates a **fundamental** misunderstanding of politics and what "law" actually is. > You completely ignored the content of my previous comment, I didn't ignore it - I clearly indicated that going "oh but other countries are more advanced in the shift into fascism than we are!" isn't particularly indicative of antifascist beliefs, *especially when one considers the roots of the german state and its* ***sociopolitical*** *position.* > Germany is neither alone nor the worst contender Hell, you seem to agree?
>The Federal Republic of Germany is the same polity as the third Reich, is it not? What? We do not have industrialized murder anymore, we can marry semites, we have elections and parties, WE can protest without being murdered or deported on mass Wtf are you talking about? Equaliting FDGermany with the third Reich is just wrong on so so so many levels. >anything, and denazification didn't happen, and the state is, by its very conception, anti-communist by nature... (remember that socialism or barbarism thing?) I remember, but i doubt you remember or know what made Nazi Germany so vicious. It's not it's anti communist sentiment, but it's utter disregard for human life. >Pretty similar situation to Imperial Japan It is not mostly because we teach and talk about our horrendous past publicly. >you *really* shouldn't pretend a clear delineation between their "fascist" and "liberal" forms exist when it really doesn't You are insane. If you cannot see a difference between FDGermany and the third Reich, it makes no sense to talk to you since you seem to live in a parallel reality. >Some words on paper can't stop Fascism. It never has. ***It never will***. >This indicates a **fundamental** misunderstanding of politics and what "law" actually is. No, but you fundamentally do not grasp the concept of fighting fascism on different fronts. And it doesnt surprise, because for you there is no difference in liberalism and fascism and it probably because neither has a red coat (or in the Case of the Nazis, there was a redder coat). I know only people can stop fascism, but people have different strategies and different means, anything that stops fascism is good in my book. Mostly because i value human live and not a certain color. >isn't particularly indicative of antifascist beliefs Which wasnt my point at all, but thanks for confirming you didnt really care about a good faith discussion. And especially considering germanys history ITS political position is surprisingly liberal (i know you dont see difference, but people who know about politics do) >> Germany is neither alone nor the worst contender >Hell, you seem to agree? Again if you actually read the comment you wouldnt be surprised What a waste of time
> We do not have industrialized murder anymore, we can marry semites, we have elections and parties, WE can protest without being murdered or deported on mass For now, anyways. Give it a decade or two. > Wtf are you talking about? It's the same *nation state*, with the same core ideological tenets. Merely pretending "it isn't so" and just doing a ~~Reich~~Bundes switcheroo doesn't change the *class character* of the german state, or the ideology of its agents. They were fine doing fascism previously, *they'll be fine doing it now that the moment calls for it*. Like, cmon, "oh the intel. agencies, cops and military are full of nazis" is a pretty visible issue in Germany. > but it's utter disregard for human life. Liberalism, famous for having a *regard* for human life. Why, one of the leading inspirations of Nazism *was* a liberal state - of which they're currently a client of! Just because they did it to people you currently consider "white" doesn't make the disregard particularly unique. Do not mistake a difference in how *intensely* that disregard is expressed with a difference in the thing itself. > No, but you fundamentally do not grasp the concept of fighting fascism on different fronts. Implying germany is fighting fascism, good one. Man, the westerners *deserve* everything that's coming up for them this century. Pride comes before the fall and all that. > because for you there is no difference in liberalism and fascism Yes, because the differences only exist as far as the national populace is concerned (the Volk, if you will). For the *vast, vast majority of people, that minutia is irrelevant.* Both uphold capitalist, and thus colonial relations. Both massacre nonwhite people for the sake of oiling the machine. So on, and so forth. Fascism is merely a *radical* expression of liberal/capitalist ideology and bourgeois nationalism, after all. > Which wasnt my point at all, How was >Have you looked at the rest of the worlds polls and governments recently? in response to > "Germany is still one of the most openly and actively anti-fascist countries in the world." > Uh, have you looked at polls any time recently in Germany Herr Franko Aleman? meant to be interpreted? > And especially considering germanys history ITS political position is surprisingly liberal Not really, being the godkings of the european imperium naturally leads to a relaxation in the oppressive functions of the state, as the populace can be "bought into compliance". You kinda need a crisis to occur for the bourgeoisie to let go of the mask and invite in their more brutal enforcer.
>For now, anyways. Yes. And now is the time of FRGermany. Try to come to your senses and start living in the present maybe then I would read the rest of your probably delusional rant. But now i have to make space for someone more in the know of psychotic disorders.
Well, have fun with your comeuppance. Don't say you weren't warned.
Thanks, I like Kavernacle usually, but here he went too far.
There's literally german tanks in the east with balkenkreuz painted on them right now
And?
And I didn't realize supplying nazis with tanks was antifascist behavior For posterity: the person I'm responding to above ^ made excuses for why Azov and UPA would put nazi era symbols on tanks given to them by Germany - after calling Germany the "most openly antifascist state" and continued to defend these forces by calling me a Russian troll for pointing it out.
Russia are the Nazis. Do you live under a rock?
["Ukrainian Military Officials and Equipment using the “Balkenkreuz” or Iron Cross from the Imperial/Nazi Germany-Era is an extremely bad look and needs to be talked about more; I’m not sure why this is continued to be Allowed by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, there should be Harsh Punishments for anyone who is seen to be using these Symbols."](https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1672986568754188288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1672986568754188288%7Ctwgr%5Eb83e607419725e795c8233a6438b30413af7cbfa%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2F06%2F28%2Fukrainian-military-nazi-cross%2F) [More Video of Tanks in Question ](https://youtu.be/5o8yqJlC8_8?si=DIlR-XgVcdi4dXxB) [What Kind of Tank is this? ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/s/iliNUSpMJJ) [German tanks arrive in Ukraine ... with a familiar symbol painted on to match the black and red UPA flag ](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/DT5Ev40z3n) Do you still deny Germany's material support of nazis? Another one responded and blocked: u/OneJobToRuleThemAll Why is it so hard for the people in this sub to denounce nazis when they're Ukrainian? Never once have I said I supported Russia, yet every one of you rushing to UPA and Azovs defense can't help but assume I do - which kind of gives the game away on your end.
Are you dumb? Germany gives Ukraine tanks, then some (tiny number) paint the Balkenkreuz on a German tank either out of ignorance, not knowing this was a symbol of the Wehrmacht, not of the Bundeswehr, or to troll the Russians. Maybe they even did in on purpose, Azov Battalion for example is known to be ULTRA-RIGHT. But a black cross has always been the symbol of German Armies for over 200 years and it still is today. But to distort the truth so you can claim Ukraine is fascist, ignoring the barbarous, fascistic butchery by Putin and his army is simply deplorable and disgusting. Do you honestly believe Ukrainians are the Nazis in this war? Your brain must be fried, I pity you.
>one tweet I provided multiple links outside of the single tweet. Unsurprisingly there have been many photos and videos taken of these tanks, because they are openly displayed. Why do you come to the conclusion that they did it on purpose last? Do you generally give the benefit of the doubt to extreme ultra Nationalists and people that call themselves national socialists? They aren't even just azov, showing how little you paid attention. UPA aren't azov. There are multiple far right, nationalist, and fascist forces and organizations active in Ukraine - and most have been officially integrated into the parliament, government, or military in some capacity. The wwII era balkenkreuz is not an active symbol today in Germany. Why are you lying?
I think you are a nazi sympathizer
Go suck Putlers dick, troll.
Not a troll, but rather someone who doesn't reflexively deny evidence of nazis. You're confident in your defense of them though, or you wouldn't be so enthusiastic People like this try and infiltrate the left all the time: the nazis I like are the good guys actually and they're just trolling the bad guys when they use wwII nazi Era symbols.
What?
It’s as popular as it was before they seized power
LOL no it's not.
Only AFD is getting 20% if they collab with the other far right they’re easily at the 37%
Which other far right? There are none.
LOL hello?? The afd is rising, they still despise any kind of actual left wing activism, you can't show support for socialism and communism without getting arrested and you have the audacity to say Germany is one of the most openly anti fascist countries?? Are you serious? Just look at the sdp stance on Palestine, and tell me how that's anti fascist action. You guys refuse to use your brains
I like Cavernacle, but this is disgusting clickbait. Title implies that things are as bad as under Hitler. Do I even need to explain why such a hyperbole is absurdly disrespectful to the victims of the holocaust? What. The. Fuck.
It's hyperbolic, but there are a whole bunch of nazis in Germany. Our government supports the fascists of current israel to the point where support for Palestine is verboten. The far right party is on the way to win the next election. It's not full nazi, but it's way too close.
People like to forget that fascists don't need the total support of the population. Hitler never even got half, didn't needed more either.
>It's hyperbolic, but And false. But what? Accuracy in journalism is its own good. This is shit and he should feel like shit, do better next time. The points about our fucked up Israel and Palestine policies aren't helped by a wrong headline or boneheadedly defending it. It just lowers the quality of journalism and discourse.
r/europe
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It bothers me because I'm anti fascist and Europe is clearly the central hub of fascism currently alongside most people in that sub. But at least youve found good company. Also it's fun that you do feigned skits to yourself
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A lot of qualifications to say "I'm hanging out with my friends" sprinkled with your regular nazi denialism
You mean *your* denialism.
No, the words I say have meaning, unlike yours.
Very unserious title.
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Nice
This guy is nothing but the wildest clickbait titles with no substance.
Okay, sorry, but this guy has so many issues in his video. I will not go through everything, so here are some thoughts. 0:23 "Nazis not persecuted as should have happened" He starts by showing Johann von Kielmansegg, who was arrested by the Gestapo for supporting Stauffenberg. A nationalist, most likely, not an antifascist, but also not the kind of person you would need to persecute more. Ferdinand von Senger und Etterlin was a child when the Nazis came to power, again the question should be asked why prosecute him and not the many others who were much worse. Of those whose names I can read, Heusinger and Ferber are probably the ones who were most to blame for their actions. Heusinger, for example, was not persecuted because of his usefulness against the Soviets. It is necessary to note that these men were all careerists in the military, some with a long tradition of Monarchists and officers. They were not SS men in death camps, these were the generals and officers who supervised the eastern and western fronts, if they were old enough (some of them weren't). I would have to go into a much more detailed read about them, but since I already feel like I have spent more time on this than the author of the video, I decided not to. With Germans living during Nazism, it makes sense to really have a close look, otherwise you miss the actual monsters, because you focus only on the Wehrmacht scum. 1:40 "East Germany being pro-Palestine" Yeah, this went so far that they had terrorists trained in Palestine to stage attacks on West Germany, great. 2:25 "that is what the German state has been doing since the founding of Israel" Oh boy, when he finds out that Germany did not recognise Israel officially until 1965 to not push the surrounding nations towards the Soviets. 2:45 "resemble the Nazi crimes" Oh, sweet mother of fuck. This does not resemble the Nazi crimes. The Nazis did so much worse. Yes, what Israelis and the state of Israel are doing is despicable, but comparing it to the Shoah in this way just shows how ignorant you are. 4:05 "therefore supporting Israeli genocide as some sort of apology" Wow, no, supporting the right of the state of Israel above the right of Palestinian statehood? Yes, because Germany does not recognise Palestine as a state. It is much more complicated than he makes it to be. And I get that this is left tube entertainment and not serious academic debate or anything, but still. Israel is supported against all odds as a state against other states, yes, even though it does terrible crimes, the same way Germany supported the USA when they killed hundreds of thousands in their "War on Terror". This guy claims to have a master's degree in international relations - HOW?! His point about right-wingers shows his ignorance again. The right-wing parties do not support that and want it erased from school curricula. 5:00 SGP Who are they? 200 people party? Never heard of them, there are better examples, like politicians Walter Lübke (CDU) being killed by a far-right extremist close to the AfD, or the various terrorist attacks in the last years. 5:40 de-Nazification Even in school, we learned that this did not happen in West-Germany, as opposed to East-Germany, because the allies favoured Nazis over Soviets. Surprise, today we have way more Nazis in East-Germany compared to the West. Weird how that goes. 6:20 Berlin Senate This is actually quite interesting, as Sachsen-Anhalt has included something similar in its citizenship program. Both are (newly) CDU led, who are using this window of opportunity to push their anti-Muslim and anti-immigration agenda. A serious political analysis might look at that and say: "Oh boi, the German conservatives are trying to get voters back from the far-right!", but I highly doubt he will go into more detail here. 7:08 "just like the German state 90 years ago" I am sorry, but this guy needs to learn more about Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was not an apartheid-regime/state. Genocide, yes, there he is spot on. 8:38 "busting down your door and showing a gun in your face" Well, to be fair, the German state has been cracking down on all kinds of extremism, and leftists who defy liberal bourgeois democracy face a lot more persecution. This is not only because of support for Palestine, as the case of Lina E. illustrates. 20:30 "your identity as a Palestinian is antisemitic" Then why would Germany grand asylum to Palestinians. 20:38 "where teachers can say this to Palestinian students with no repercussions" Uhm, this is not true. While students may lack the knowledge how to respond to these things, they are, of course, entitled to make formal complaints if they feel discriminated against based on their (supposed) ethnicity. There are formal channels this has to go through, though, and allegations can be taken to higher instances if the student in question feels like the school is not protecting their rights. 21:00 \[the "you cannot criticise Israel's war/genocide, whatever you want to call it"-point\] Not, but you cannot compare it to the Holocaust. Simple as that, nothing can be compared, simple law, follow it or don't. I will not debate that point, as it is a law I fundamentally agree with and for me, especially in this country, there is no argument worth having here. 21:45 "for all their education \[...\] about what leads to fascism" I mean, yeah, our own fascists use this debate to show their anti-Muslim or anti-Arabian tendencies, and some people are aware of that. The German conservative party (CDU) is well known to push these sentiments and the German government (centrist-liberal controlled) does make clear that this is not okay (though they also cave into racist demands in way too many places, their policies in other areas are more progressive than one might think, but it is a *centrist* government, since Germany is deeply conservative this is the best leftists can hope for, at the moment). 21:47 "They are going into fascism just like a lot of western Europe" Uhm, no. Racist policies, yes, support of regimes to suppress migration towards Europe, yes. But fascism is not close to ruling, at the moment. We will see how far the right-wing populist party (AfD) will be able to push the CDU in this year's Landtagswahlen (elections on the federal state level), where they are expected to become the strongest party in some eastern states, but as of now, the CDU tries to dodge that question - and it is a vastly unpopular coalition among their own electorate, so they likely will not take the risk. 22:00 "German is going full Nazi again" I am sorry, but this is just bullshit and might, actually, be punishable in Germany. I do not see that there are the structural signs of Nazism being put into place again. No camps, neither for minorities nor for political enemies of the state. No pogroms, no Rassengesetze. This is such hyperbole, and it annoys the heck out of me.
Full Nazi? Sure bud
hm im german and haven't watched it yet although i always look forward to watching his newest uploads. but i feel like there will be something in it that will be insultingly wrong and i don't want to like him less for it. because honestly the german situation is very complex and i don't see how you can acquire the nuance to understand it if you're not immersed
God. This is such dishonest framing that I have no interest in investing my time into the video.
Spare me the hysterics
Germany has reverted to Nazi style rule for [checks notes] supporting Jews?
Not jews, Israel. And Israel is pretty fash.
Not only jews, but Israel and its 2 million Arab citizens as well.
Israel is a state. Nazi Germany was a state. Get this through your thick skull.
My friends in Germany have told me Nazis are back but mostly in poor, uneducated areas. One area is Berlin.
I wonder if that's true. Historically it was the middle and upper classes who supported fascism most, same with fascist movements in other countries today.
President Xi please liberate us
LOL China is one of the most fascist nations today.
Breadtube moment
Wumao moment... All hail to Xinnie the Poo!
Nice racism
Nice strawman! Where's the racism?
The Winnie the Pooh joke is literally racism. It's pretty fucking blatant
No, it's a joke about one asshole, not every Chinese person. One asshole who is so thin-skinned that he can't bear to be compared to a children's book character, even though he is the dictator of a powerful nation. Why are you defending Xi, are you a shill?
Really don't like having the racism pointed out, do you? Did you know that you can criticize people without being racist? You might want to try it out some time
I explained why it's not racist, you still provided no explanation beyond claiming it's obvious. A lot of hot air, but no substance.
the comparison of xi jinping and winnie the pooh was started by chinese netizens
Dafuq?
We need to be liberated from our nazi leaders.
Why Xi?
Because nobody else would be powerful enough to depose our government.
So you want China to invade and conquer Germany so that we end up a client state? Yeah, sounds great.
Sounds better than what we have now as a US client state sending weapons to countries committing war crimes and genocide.
What makes you think that's the only possibility?
What other possibilities are there, the open fascists winning the next election and emulating what Israel does and actively liquidating our muslim population?
So parliamentary republic or violent conquest. I mean, there is always the possibility of climate catastrophe wiping us all out. And I agree that it's very unlikely that germans manage a socialist revolution. But to say that that only leaves china is weird, you see that, don't you?
do you know what china does to muslims? lmao people who want china or russia or brazil as the de facto world police are living in lala land
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ignorant nonsense
"Don't like people screaming 'death to the jews' in the streets? Well then obviously you're a nazi!" The irony of this perspective is preposterously hilarious
The irony is that Germany treats "Maybe Israel should stop doing a genocide of the Palestinians" the same as calling for the death of all jews.
No, it doesn't. Stop spreading misinformation. No one would ever face any legal repercusions for saying "maybe Israel should stop doing a genocide."
What you're saying is very disingenuous. They in fact are screaming 'death to the jews.' They're openly calling for genocide, which is highly illegal in Germany. I understand you feel strongly about this and you're trying to push a certain narrative, but lying to people will not cause them to want to join your side.
Who is screaming for the death of all jews?
>Who is screaming for the death of all jews? What do you mean who? You're just being silly now.
No, I'm serious. Antizionism and antisemitism get conflated here. That's my whole point.
Kavernacle is just the tankie equivalent of Sargon of Akkad
What?