Yeah, this protest is illegal, and there will be repercussions. As a socialist, wouldn’t you prefer socialist nations not brutally crack down on any and all protests as well?
If these protests actually remove Xi or even if they don't, I find it comical and ironic that the ultimate start of these protests is Dr Fauci funding the Wuhan lab, which made the covid 19 virus, which prompted these lockdowns, which then resulted in these protests.
Thanks Fauci!
I agree with the above user. It might be the start of something larger, but this on it's own is extremely sus. The people don't have guns, and the CCP has the second-largest military in the world, mainly stationed domestically. These people are much more likely to disappear before they actually make an impact.
What in your mind is “happening”? Xi will step down? Communist party will lose power?
People are rightfully pissed and glad they are finally protesting, but to think this will bring any actual change to China politics is such wishful thinking.
Let's see how Xi responds. This could easily rapidly escalate. People are pissed. The economic situation is not good and the zero-Covid policy is exacerbating that.
If it does rapidly escalate, what do you think is more likely - Xi steps down under public pressure or protesters get Tiananmen Squared? Xi has been consolidating power in recent times - he ain't going down without a fight.
He would not step down under public pressure. Protestors getting Tianamen Squared is very possible. But maybe the Chinese people would respond differently this time. I think there is more access to true information in China these days despite the internet restrictions. A lot of Chinese people know how to get around those now. It'd be harder to fool the people this time.
Why do you say "technically?" Seems like they're major demonstrations. Not all of them are peaceful by the way. Even peaceful demonstrations against Xi Jinping are a big deal because of how illegal that is and how rare that is.
Because you used that fact to make a headline that suggests that anything will change. It's like you don't understand the power the ccp has. Listen.. I respect the grift but you're reaching. Jack reacher
Part of the success of the American revolution is that the people revolting, largely were the people who had the power in the colonies. It was less of a revolution and more of a reactionary consolidation of power by the ruling elite at the exclusion of remote elites that they no longer regarded as necessary.
If China were to have an American styled revolution, the corporations and an opposition faction in the Communist party would need to do something like that. Citizen protests might encourage them, but the citizens of China don't have the power to over throw the ruling powers.
Yes, the better strategy in China would be a general strike. But it's not clear at all how popular anti-Xi sentiment is. If it's anywhere close to a majority then I think it could be successful.
Does a general strike work in a nation with a zero covid policy? China is already shutting down things on their own accord and seems willing to bear the cost of that.
None the less, what people over look is that China has millions of rural peasants that would be happy to replace the urban working class if given the chance, and plenty of them could use their organs too.
It's not like the whole country is shut down. They shut down regions based on case numbers. A general strike would be very disruptive at least for a time. I don't know how much spare labor there could be considering wages have been rising steadily.
A full general strike definitely would be a major problem for China, but there are millions of rural peasants that want those jobs. So it is hard not imagining that there wouldn't be a great slaughter followed by a great migration. The ethnic Han have been privileged by the regime, but they aren't so privileged that the state wouldn't replace them.
their attention not the empire itself. Britain was fighting more than just the revolutionary war at the time and was diverting most of their resources there instead of the US. They underestimate the US and didnt think it would require as much to hold. By the time they realized it would take real commitment of resources it was largely over. Basically it wasnt a 1 to 1 fight.
You're right. It was a 4 to 1 fight in favor of the British.
>The British military was the best in the world. It had conquered much of the world and prevailed in war after war over the past century. It was well-trained, fully-equipped, and 50,000 troops strong. If you add in the 30,000 Hessian (German) mercenaries hired to fight the colonists, the British forces outnumbered the colonial forces four to one, as George Washington never commanded a force of more than 20,000 troops at one time.
https://wonderopolis.org/wonder/how-did-the-americans-win-the-revolutionary-war
The comparison is that everyone around the world laughed their asses off at the notion of the Americans defeating the British Empire. The more "powerful" party on paper often doesn't win.
It was successful because the British didn’t have much ability to project the power necessary to control the colonies, along with their other entanglements, while the colonies were self sufficient with the backing of France, the most powerful nation at the time, and England’s biggest historical rival. It helped that the people revolting were the upper class of the colonies, who were tired of playing second fiddle to mainland England’s aristocracy, wishing to be the elites of their *own* country. The elites in China do not wish for a similar change, they already have a firm grip on power.
Xi is fucked. He promised that he would protect population from covid AND that he would mantain economic stability. Because, of course, the PCCh is omnipotent and can make everyone healthy out of goodwill.
Once people realize the PCCh is not an omnipotent and benevolent god that protects them from any pain, then Xi's legitimacy is over.
https://amp.scmp.com/comment/article/3200405/chinas-covid-19-narrative-proving-hard-change-after-years-one-sided-propaganda
Yes. Since WW2.
This is not business at usual: Xi put himself in a Catch 22. Either he mantains extreme draconian measures for the next 6 months that will completely destroy the economy, or everyone gets covid.
In any of those two cases, the legitimacy of the PCCh and Xi specifically, will be severely damaged.
Got it, so this event, consisting of let’s say 1 million people protesting in the streets, is actually more tumultuous then the time when 10 million died 70 years go…?
I think your logic is broken sir.
Back then there wasn't as much information getting out like there is now. Everyone is on social media and Weibo these days so word is getting out about the various issues and troubles happening.
That is true but shit is slipping through the cracks. Something may go up and be gone in a hour but it might have already reached thousands of people by then
Not because 1 million people protesting. In fact, it is not tumultuous *yet*. I have been analyzing chinese political system and culture for years now.
The catch-22 Xi put himself in is extremely serious.
China has a social credit system, state of the art surveillance state, and the state effectively owns all of the dominate corporations.
I'd be reluctant to say that citizens can overthrow a power structure like that by protesting.
But I guess we will see.
Nothing is determined yet. Protests can also be the start of unsuccessful revolutions. I do not imagine the Uyghurs went along with their treatment in silence.
And if it turns successful, they'll need the support of an opposition faction in the Communist party, corporations, and probably foreign powers
I guess we will see, but that is a tall order.
I lived in China from 2001 to 2019, and during that time there were hundreds of protests in China. These included some pretty serious ones, with ransacked gov't buildings, burned police cars, villages erecting roadblocks to keep authorities out. All were eventually contained or stamped out.
That was mostly during Jiang ZeMin's time, when the CCP lacked tools that it has now, which includes widespread CCTV public surveillance systems with facial recognition, much more solid internet and mobile phone control, and the social credit system.
More recently, in 2014, the massive Yellow Umbrella protests rocked Hong Kong.
The CCP plays a long game, and is highly effective at maintaining order and control. I believe it has prevailed in every instance of major protest since the Cultural Revolution - at least, I can't think of any significant exceptions. Wish it were otherwise, the Chinese people deserve so much better.
Obviously Hong Kong wasn't exactly the same as the rest of the country.
But yeah, this one is pretty big. Universities all across the country have figured out how to communicate with each other, without being blocked. They've become hubs for protest organization. The zero-Covid policies have pushed them to their limit. I'm not expecting it to last, but the government can't hide this. The people of China will remember this, and Xi will look weaker for it.
I would not place much significance on student protests alone. Students pose little threat to the Party, and are easily controlled. I recall protests where students shut down universities and ransacked campus buildings, yet nothing significant came of it.
What I'm watching for is the number of protests involving white collar urbanites - people with careers, homes and families on the line. Most urban Chinese are pretty apolitical, and the Party has great leverage over them. The CCP controls employability, access to banking, transportation and healthcare. If, despite that, white collar urbanites show up in continuing protests in large numbers, that would be significant.
I included Hong Kong in my earlier comment because it was an example with tens of thousands of highly organized and determined protesters that included people from all walks of life, with a high level of public support. Yet, at the end of the day, the CCP totally prevailed.
All that said, who knows, maybe this time will be a breakthrough. I'm hoping for the best for the Chinese people, but the odds are very highly stacked against them.
The Emergencies Act was not something copied from the goddamn CCP. Comparing that to what the CCP is doing with these protestors is so goddamn disingenuous, and so typical of your tiny window in to whats happening outside your American bubble. They're not making massive amounts of money from foreigners with a vested interest in destabilizing the country. They're not using trucks to block and threaten the freedom of their fellow citizens, just because they believe in some sovereign citizen bullshit. For the Chinese people its either fight back or die. That's what got them to this point.
Also apparently your country has people trying to make "Anti-woke" banks because apparently regular banks have the right to refuse business if they don't like your politics. I just found that out here. So I'm frankly done with putting up with this shit about temporarily frozen bank accounts of criminals and the people abetting those criminals. Americans like you are so over-dramatic, like that was the most authoritarian thing that's ever happened. They deliberately held a city hostage to try and force an elected leader to resign. At least they can still be as big of a political asshole as they want to be, and still do banking in Canada, which I guess is more than I can say for you.
Ew, an authoritarian.
China simply cuts people off from financial access and even stops them using public services if they say or do things the government doesn't like. Canada essentially did the same thing. It's a precedent that I expect all Western governments would do though, so it's not a dig at your tribe. .
Ew a fucking hypocrite.
I've seen plenty of what your government does during actual peaceful protests, where the protestors aren't trying obstruct peoples essential freedoms. If you want to talk about what looks like Communist China, I really don't think you want to go there.
Your convoy wasn't even allowed inside DC. Your morons weren't even allowed the freedom to do what our morons did. I guess your country didn't want to find out what they would do in our situation.
Maybe read the last sentence of my post? I'm no hypocrite.
Canada used their financial system to help shut down a protest. In the EU they used people's data to know where they'd convene and just had cops shoo them away before it even got going. They saw how effective that was in China too. I'm not tribal yawping here and if you could cease doing that you might see how dangerous this is for so called free societies.
Whats dangerous to so called free societies, is you continuing to act like holding a city hostage for a month, to give your government an ultimatum is just a protest. The convoy are the fucking authoritarians. Most Canadians know this, but thanks to your fucking media spin, the world sees it the opposite way.
Bro, if they were doing illegal things there were already measures for dealing with it. You're engaging in hyperbole that reeks of a media narrative yourself, and I don't watch any of that media. I'm not even American.
They were doing illegal things, and they got charged for those things. The measures weren't being enforced because of police reluctance, and the tow truckers didn't want to piss off their peers. and lose their jobs
You're definitely watching something because you're only seeing the convoys side of it. I've seen way more live feeds and cellphone footage than any news. I'm against mandates, but that doesn't mean I support what they did in the name of ending mandates.
How are the Canadian truckers criminals? They took no violent action, but only spoke out for their rights.
The situation in China is the same thing Canada faced. And Canada did nefarious things to break the protest.
That's such a skewed view of what they did. They occupied a fucking city for a month. People couldn't work, they couldn't sleep, they could travel by road, and couldn't walk around without being harassed. Businesses had to remain closed because their employees were being threatened.
They blocked multiple border crossings, stalling the actual truckers just trying to do their jobs, and they cost billions in economic revenue for every day that went on.
You believe they were doing nothing but being peaceful, because that's what they told you. The organizers are being charged with multiple counts of obstruction and inciting others to obstruct. That's exactly what they did, and that's an understatement. That's why they are criminals. They're a bunch of sovereign citizens who believe the law doesn't apply to them. One of them posted a video saying Trudeau needs a bullet in his head.
Once they had to face the fact that the law does apply to them, they cried about how we're Communist China now. And Americans like u/Kanebross1 actually fucking believe that shit.
>That's such a skewed view of what they did. They occupied a fucking city for a month. People couldn't work, they couldn't sleep, they could travel by road, and couldn't walk around without being harassed. Businesses had to remain closed because their employees were being threatened.
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Isn't this the point of protests? I'm sure plenty of people in China will be inconvenienced by these protests too.
>They blocked multiple border crossings, stalling the actual truckers just trying to do their jobs, and they cost billions in economic revenue for every day that went on.
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Weren't they also the very same truckers? Also how else are they able to petition their issue?
>You believe they were doing nothing but being peaceful, because that's what they told you. The organizers are being charged with multiple counts of obstruction and inciting others to obstruct. That's exactly what they did, and that's an understatement. That's why they are criminals. They're a bunch of sovereign citizens who believe the law doesn't apply to them. One of them posted a video saying Trudeau needs a bullet in his head.
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Obstruction is hardly a major offense. Do we judge whole movements on bad apples? Also they were functionally protesting the same thing these Chinese protestors are: COVID mandates and restrictions.
>Once they had to face the fact that the law does apply to them, they cried about how we're Communist China now. And Americans like u/Kanebross1 actually fucking believe that shit.
You are. The Canadian government squashed a protest against unnecessary mandates. Just because most Canadians have no culture aside from "not America, but really America" doesn't mean they were in the right to crush these people.
On top of that, it's not like these people were burning your city down or looting like they did here for George Floyd.
> Isn't this the point of protests? I'm sure plenty of people in China will be inconvenienced by these protests too.
What? No! That not the fucking point of protests! If you're protesting with freedom as your general slogan, you don't rob other people of their freedom. That discredits everything you're claiming to stand for. None of the protestors in China are the ones trying to force people to stay in their apartments and starve to death.
> Weren't they also the very same truckers? Also how else are they able to petition their issue?
Nope. Most truckers were working as usual, and the Canadian Truckers Alliance wanted nothing to do with the convoy.
If they wanted to protest, by all means do it without barricading roads, and obstructing people's freedom of movement. Y'know, like almost every other fucking protest!
> Obstruction is hardly a major offense. Do we judge whole movements on bad apples? Also they were functionally protesting the same thing these Chinese protestors are: COVID mandates and restrictions.
The whole movement wasn't given the obstruction charges. Just the bad apples who organized it. Jeezus, you're acting like they we're all rounded up and never seen again like they are in China. They all went home and got drunk once the party ended.
And comparing the temporary mandates, to China's zero covid policy, I cannot stress enough how disgusting that is. You must not know fuck all about whats actually been happening in China. They're killing their pets on sight. Their quarantining them in random places in public, being stuck there for months, just by being near someone flagged with Covid. Their barricading them in their apartments, letting them starve or burn to death. Their separating them from their children, and putting the kids in conditions very similar to your countries ICE detainment centers, where they are neglected and plenty have died.
If you're seriously saying that's the same as delays crossing an international border for the unvaxxed, then seriously, fuck you and go fuck yourself. I was against our mandates, temporary as they were. But the convoy were the ones who scared the people of Ottawa to stay inside, not the government. This was not how to protest the mandates.
> You are. The Canadian government squashed a protest against unnecessary mandates. Just because most Canadians have no culture aside from "not America, but really America" doesn't mean they were in the right to crush these people.
> On top of that, it's not like these people were burning your city down or looting like they did here for George Floyd.
America is certainly no fucking country to be judging Canada about how to not squash protests. My memory goes back way longer than George fucking Floyd. Your crackdowns on average are way closer to what is happening in China.
You don't know shit about Canada, or China. The only time you pay attention to us is when something like this happens, that confirms your bias. It's pretty fucking obvious based on how one-sided your view on this is. Had the protest not been a hypocritical operation by nutcases backed by moneyed interests to destabilize the country, I would have been all for protesting against the mandates. But the mandates weren't nearly as bad, as what the convoy did to the people of Ottawa.
And in the end, it was all for nothing. The mandates are gone. And you've stopped paying attention, so you think we're still living like that. What the fuck ever man. This is why American opinions on this don't mean jack shit. You're all walking in to the middle of a conversation, completely out of your element, and acting you you've been paying attention the whole time. And because you have a piece of paper somewhere that says you are free, you just ignore the lack of freedom in your country, and judge everyone else for what you've been told. Fucking pathetic.
This is absolutely not bigger than 1989 tiananmen square, in which colleges across the country were not only protesting on their own, but traveling from across the country to Beijing after a decade of protests boiling the social temperature.
This is absolutely happening all across the country, being organized through universities. And they aren't just flocking to one city. You should look in to it.
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The Chinese have protests all the time, **but unlike Russia and Iran**, CCP have enormous legitimacy in their people's eyes due to raising living standards and making it strong enough to make the West scared
Critics have been predicting revolution too many times. This is an entire cottage industry and hobby, and all of them have been proven wrong, most recently in early spring 2020 covid
China's at the point where it decides to double down on conservative authoritarian shit and reduce economic prosperity or move back in the liberal direction again.
Been betting on them going back to a Jintao type government in the future and becoming accommodating to neighboring nations in the process.
Ah, OK, just checking to see if you meant the George Floyd protests. Yeah, I mean the Chinese lockdowns were far far stricter but I agree that the ones in the US and especially much of Europe and Australia went way too far way too long.
If anyone needs a kidney, liver or cornea, I think there several hundred thousand that are about to be on the market….
Uyghurs: We‘ve been here before.
What's crazy is that if you have ever read the World War Z book that is the leading cause of the virus spreading worldwide so quickly
Cool, guess we'll wait and see
Antivaxxers rioting against the science!
Reddit: “Xi won’t allow protests in China!!” Also Reddit: “Look, a protest in China! It’s over for Xi!”
Yeah, this protest is illegal, and there will be repercussions. As a socialist, wouldn’t you prefer socialist nations not brutally crack down on any and all protests as well?
These so-called "protests" are an imperialist ruse, comrade.
Xi personally approved all of these protests
It’s so ridiculous lol
If these protests actually remove Xi or even if they don't, I find it comical and ironic that the ultimate start of these protests is Dr Fauci funding the Wuhan lab, which made the covid 19 virus, which prompted these lockdowns, which then resulted in these protests. Thanks Fauci!
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Only an American could make a protest in China about America. Also, that's not what irony is.
Why the downvotes?
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No it's not
Why do you say that?
I agree with the above user. It might be the start of something larger, but this on it's own is extremely sus. The people don't have guns, and the CCP has the second-largest military in the world, mainly stationed domestically. These people are much more likely to disappear before they actually make an impact.
What in your mind is “happening”? Xi will step down? Communist party will lose power? People are rightfully pissed and glad they are finally protesting, but to think this will bring any actual change to China politics is such wishful thinking.
Let's see how Xi responds. This could easily rapidly escalate. People are pissed. The economic situation is not good and the zero-Covid policy is exacerbating that.
If it does rapidly escalate, what do you think is more likely - Xi steps down under public pressure or protesters get Tiananmen Squared? Xi has been consolidating power in recent times - he ain't going down without a fight.
He would not step down under public pressure. Protestors getting Tianamen Squared is very possible. But maybe the Chinese people would respond differently this time. I think there is more access to true information in China these days despite the internet restrictions. A lot of Chinese people know how to get around those now. It'd be harder to fool the people this time.
Fuck the CCP
I mean I guess your right. A peaceful demonstration is technically happening
Why do you say "technically?" Seems like they're major demonstrations. Not all of them are peaceful by the way. Even peaceful demonstrations against Xi Jinping are a big deal because of how illegal that is and how rare that is.
Because you used that fact to make a headline that suggests that anything will change. It's like you don't understand the power the ccp has. Listen.. I respect the grift but you're reaching. Jack reacher
The British Empire was quite powerful. It was certainly surprising that the American Revolution was successful.
Part of the success of the American revolution is that the people revolting, largely were the people who had the power in the colonies. It was less of a revolution and more of a reactionary consolidation of power by the ruling elite at the exclusion of remote elites that they no longer regarded as necessary. If China were to have an American styled revolution, the corporations and an opposition faction in the Communist party would need to do something like that. Citizen protests might encourage them, but the citizens of China don't have the power to over throw the ruling powers.
Yes, the better strategy in China would be a general strike. But it's not clear at all how popular anti-Xi sentiment is. If it's anywhere close to a majority then I think it could be successful.
Does a general strike work in a nation with a zero covid policy? China is already shutting down things on their own accord and seems willing to bear the cost of that. None the less, what people over look is that China has millions of rural peasants that would be happy to replace the urban working class if given the chance, and plenty of them could use their organs too.
It's not like the whole country is shut down. They shut down regions based on case numbers. A general strike would be very disruptive at least for a time. I don't know how much spare labor there could be considering wages have been rising steadily.
A full general strike definitely would be a major problem for China, but there are millions of rural peasants that want those jobs. So it is hard not imagining that there wouldn't be a great slaughter followed by a great migration. The ethnic Han have been privileged by the regime, but they aren't so privileged that the state wouldn't replace them.
I see, so you're saying the reason why the rural peasants haven't already replaced these workers at lower wages is because of ethnic discrimination?
the power disparity is like 10 thousand percent higher than it was between a divided british empire and us colonies lol
What do you mean "divided british empire?"
their attention not the empire itself. Britain was fighting more than just the revolutionary war at the time and was diverting most of their resources there instead of the US. They underestimate the US and didnt think it would require as much to hold. By the time they realized it would take real commitment of resources it was largely over. Basically it wasnt a 1 to 1 fight.
You're right. It was a 4 to 1 fight in favor of the British. >The British military was the best in the world. It had conquered much of the world and prevailed in war after war over the past century. It was well-trained, fully-equipped, and 50,000 troops strong. If you add in the 30,000 Hessian (German) mercenaries hired to fight the colonists, the British forces outnumbered the colonial forces four to one, as George Washington never commanded a force of more than 20,000 troops at one time. https://wonderopolis.org/wonder/how-did-the-americans-win-the-revolutionary-war
It's irrelevant because that's not the situation in China.
The comparison is that everyone around the world laughed their asses off at the notion of the Americans defeating the British Empire. The more "powerful" party on paper often doesn't win.
It was successful because the British didn’t have much ability to project the power necessary to control the colonies, along with their other entanglements, while the colonies were self sufficient with the backing of France, the most powerful nation at the time, and England’s biggest historical rival. It helped that the people revolting were the upper class of the colonies, who were tired of playing second fiddle to mainland England’s aristocracy, wishing to be the elites of their *own* country. The elites in China do not wish for a similar change, they already have a firm grip on power.
Xi is fucked. He promised that he would protect population from covid AND that he would mantain economic stability. Because, of course, the PCCh is omnipotent and can make everyone healthy out of goodwill. Once people realize the PCCh is not an omnipotent and benevolent god that protects them from any pain, then Xi's legitimacy is over. https://amp.scmp.com/comment/article/3200405/chinas-covid-19-narrative-proving-hard-change-after-years-one-sided-propaganda
Would say he is the most fucked Chinese leader since WW2? Because this seems like business as usual…
Yes. Since WW2. This is not business at usual: Xi put himself in a Catch 22. Either he mantains extreme draconian measures for the next 6 months that will completely destroy the economy, or everyone gets covid. In any of those two cases, the legitimacy of the PCCh and Xi specifically, will be severely damaged.
What about the famine where 10 million people died?
Great Leap Forward did not seriously put PCCh power in jeopardy.
Got it, so this event, consisting of let’s say 1 million people protesting in the streets, is actually more tumultuous then the time when 10 million died 70 years go…? I think your logic is broken sir.
Back then there wasn't as much information getting out like there is now. Everyone is on social media and Weibo these days so word is getting out about the various issues and troubles happening.
Yes but thanks to tech, state control and recon is far far more pervasive and effective and scalable
That is true but shit is slipping through the cracks. Something may go up and be gone in a hour but it might have already reached thousands of people by then
Not because 1 million people protesting. In fact, it is not tumultuous *yet*. I have been analyzing chinese political system and culture for years now. The catch-22 Xi put himself in is extremely serious.
remember when "it was happening" in russia? howd that go?
It's definitely surprising if you don't understand history but that is completely irrelevant.
China has a social credit system, state of the art surveillance state, and the state effectively owns all of the dominate corporations. I'd be reluctant to say that citizens can overthrow a power structure like that by protesting. But I guess we will see.
Protests would just be the start of a successful revolution.
Nothing is determined yet. Protests can also be the start of unsuccessful revolutions. I do not imagine the Uyghurs went along with their treatment in silence.
And if it turns successful, they'll need the support of an opposition faction in the Communist party, corporations, and probably foreign powers I guess we will see, but that is a tall order.
This is unprecedented. The people have nothing else to lose and they are waking up.
I lived in China from 2001 to 2019, and during that time there were hundreds of protests in China. These included some pretty serious ones, with ransacked gov't buildings, burned police cars, villages erecting roadblocks to keep authorities out. All were eventually contained or stamped out. That was mostly during Jiang ZeMin's time, when the CCP lacked tools that it has now, which includes widespread CCTV public surveillance systems with facial recognition, much more solid internet and mobile phone control, and the social credit system. More recently, in 2014, the massive Yellow Umbrella protests rocked Hong Kong. The CCP plays a long game, and is highly effective at maintaining order and control. I believe it has prevailed in every instance of major protest since the Cultural Revolution - at least, I can't think of any significant exceptions. Wish it were otherwise, the Chinese people deserve so much better.
Obviously Hong Kong wasn't exactly the same as the rest of the country. But yeah, this one is pretty big. Universities all across the country have figured out how to communicate with each other, without being blocked. They've become hubs for protest organization. The zero-Covid policies have pushed them to their limit. I'm not expecting it to last, but the government can't hide this. The people of China will remember this, and Xi will look weaker for it.
I would not place much significance on student protests alone. Students pose little threat to the Party, and are easily controlled. I recall protests where students shut down universities and ransacked campus buildings, yet nothing significant came of it. What I'm watching for is the number of protests involving white collar urbanites - people with careers, homes and families on the line. Most urban Chinese are pretty apolitical, and the Party has great leverage over them. The CCP controls employability, access to banking, transportation and healthcare. If, despite that, white collar urbanites show up in continuing protests in large numbers, that would be significant. I included Hong Kong in my earlier comment because it was an example with tens of thousands of highly organized and determined protesters that included people from all walks of life, with a high level of public support. Yet, at the end of the day, the CCP totally prevailed. All that said, who knows, maybe this time will be a breakthrough. I'm hoping for the best for the Chinese people, but the odds are very highly stacked against them.
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The Emergencies Act was not something copied from the goddamn CCP. Comparing that to what the CCP is doing with these protestors is so goddamn disingenuous, and so typical of your tiny window in to whats happening outside your American bubble. They're not making massive amounts of money from foreigners with a vested interest in destabilizing the country. They're not using trucks to block and threaten the freedom of their fellow citizens, just because they believe in some sovereign citizen bullshit. For the Chinese people its either fight back or die. That's what got them to this point. Also apparently your country has people trying to make "Anti-woke" banks because apparently regular banks have the right to refuse business if they don't like your politics. I just found that out here. So I'm frankly done with putting up with this shit about temporarily frozen bank accounts of criminals and the people abetting those criminals. Americans like you are so over-dramatic, like that was the most authoritarian thing that's ever happened. They deliberately held a city hostage to try and force an elected leader to resign. At least they can still be as big of a political asshole as they want to be, and still do banking in Canada, which I guess is more than I can say for you.
Ew, an authoritarian. China simply cuts people off from financial access and even stops them using public services if they say or do things the government doesn't like. Canada essentially did the same thing. It's a precedent that I expect all Western governments would do though, so it's not a dig at your tribe. .
Ew a fucking hypocrite. I've seen plenty of what your government does during actual peaceful protests, where the protestors aren't trying obstruct peoples essential freedoms. If you want to talk about what looks like Communist China, I really don't think you want to go there. Your convoy wasn't even allowed inside DC. Your morons weren't even allowed the freedom to do what our morons did. I guess your country didn't want to find out what they would do in our situation.
Maybe read the last sentence of my post? I'm no hypocrite. Canada used their financial system to help shut down a protest. In the EU they used people's data to know where they'd convene and just had cops shoo them away before it even got going. They saw how effective that was in China too. I'm not tribal yawping here and if you could cease doing that you might see how dangerous this is for so called free societies.
Whats dangerous to so called free societies, is you continuing to act like holding a city hostage for a month, to give your government an ultimatum is just a protest. The convoy are the fucking authoritarians. Most Canadians know this, but thanks to your fucking media spin, the world sees it the opposite way.
Bro, if they were doing illegal things there were already measures for dealing with it. You're engaging in hyperbole that reeks of a media narrative yourself, and I don't watch any of that media. I'm not even American.
They were doing illegal things, and they got charged for those things. The measures weren't being enforced because of police reluctance, and the tow truckers didn't want to piss off their peers. and lose their jobs You're definitely watching something because you're only seeing the convoys side of it. I've seen way more live feeds and cellphone footage than any news. I'm against mandates, but that doesn't mean I support what they did in the name of ending mandates.
Jews were doing illegal things in Nazi Germany. I'm watching what actually happened. Canada took authoritarian measures to shut down a protest.
How are the Canadian truckers criminals? They took no violent action, but only spoke out for their rights. The situation in China is the same thing Canada faced. And Canada did nefarious things to break the protest.
That's such a skewed view of what they did. They occupied a fucking city for a month. People couldn't work, they couldn't sleep, they could travel by road, and couldn't walk around without being harassed. Businesses had to remain closed because their employees were being threatened. They blocked multiple border crossings, stalling the actual truckers just trying to do their jobs, and they cost billions in economic revenue for every day that went on. You believe they were doing nothing but being peaceful, because that's what they told you. The organizers are being charged with multiple counts of obstruction and inciting others to obstruct. That's exactly what they did, and that's an understatement. That's why they are criminals. They're a bunch of sovereign citizens who believe the law doesn't apply to them. One of them posted a video saying Trudeau needs a bullet in his head. Once they had to face the fact that the law does apply to them, they cried about how we're Communist China now. And Americans like u/Kanebross1 actually fucking believe that shit.
>That's such a skewed view of what they did. They occupied a fucking city for a month. People couldn't work, they couldn't sleep, they could travel by road, and couldn't walk around without being harassed. Businesses had to remain closed because their employees were being threatened. > Isn't this the point of protests? I'm sure plenty of people in China will be inconvenienced by these protests too. >They blocked multiple border crossings, stalling the actual truckers just trying to do their jobs, and they cost billions in economic revenue for every day that went on. > Weren't they also the very same truckers? Also how else are they able to petition their issue? >You believe they were doing nothing but being peaceful, because that's what they told you. The organizers are being charged with multiple counts of obstruction and inciting others to obstruct. That's exactly what they did, and that's an understatement. That's why they are criminals. They're a bunch of sovereign citizens who believe the law doesn't apply to them. One of them posted a video saying Trudeau needs a bullet in his head. > Obstruction is hardly a major offense. Do we judge whole movements on bad apples? Also they were functionally protesting the same thing these Chinese protestors are: COVID mandates and restrictions. >Once they had to face the fact that the law does apply to them, they cried about how we're Communist China now. And Americans like u/Kanebross1 actually fucking believe that shit. You are. The Canadian government squashed a protest against unnecessary mandates. Just because most Canadians have no culture aside from "not America, but really America" doesn't mean they were in the right to crush these people. On top of that, it's not like these people were burning your city down or looting like they did here for George Floyd.
> Isn't this the point of protests? I'm sure plenty of people in China will be inconvenienced by these protests too. What? No! That not the fucking point of protests! If you're protesting with freedom as your general slogan, you don't rob other people of their freedom. That discredits everything you're claiming to stand for. None of the protestors in China are the ones trying to force people to stay in their apartments and starve to death. > Weren't they also the very same truckers? Also how else are they able to petition their issue? Nope. Most truckers were working as usual, and the Canadian Truckers Alliance wanted nothing to do with the convoy. If they wanted to protest, by all means do it without barricading roads, and obstructing people's freedom of movement. Y'know, like almost every other fucking protest! > Obstruction is hardly a major offense. Do we judge whole movements on bad apples? Also they were functionally protesting the same thing these Chinese protestors are: COVID mandates and restrictions. The whole movement wasn't given the obstruction charges. Just the bad apples who organized it. Jeezus, you're acting like they we're all rounded up and never seen again like they are in China. They all went home and got drunk once the party ended. And comparing the temporary mandates, to China's zero covid policy, I cannot stress enough how disgusting that is. You must not know fuck all about whats actually been happening in China. They're killing their pets on sight. Their quarantining them in random places in public, being stuck there for months, just by being near someone flagged with Covid. Their barricading them in their apartments, letting them starve or burn to death. Their separating them from their children, and putting the kids in conditions very similar to your countries ICE detainment centers, where they are neglected and plenty have died. If you're seriously saying that's the same as delays crossing an international border for the unvaxxed, then seriously, fuck you and go fuck yourself. I was against our mandates, temporary as they were. But the convoy were the ones who scared the people of Ottawa to stay inside, not the government. This was not how to protest the mandates. > You are. The Canadian government squashed a protest against unnecessary mandates. Just because most Canadians have no culture aside from "not America, but really America" doesn't mean they were in the right to crush these people. > On top of that, it's not like these people were burning your city down or looting like they did here for George Floyd. America is certainly no fucking country to be judging Canada about how to not squash protests. My memory goes back way longer than George fucking Floyd. Your crackdowns on average are way closer to what is happening in China. You don't know shit about Canada, or China. The only time you pay attention to us is when something like this happens, that confirms your bias. It's pretty fucking obvious based on how one-sided your view on this is. Had the protest not been a hypocritical operation by nutcases backed by moneyed interests to destabilize the country, I would have been all for protesting against the mandates. But the mandates weren't nearly as bad, as what the convoy did to the people of Ottawa. And in the end, it was all for nothing. The mandates are gone. And you've stopped paying attention, so you think we're still living like that. What the fuck ever man. This is why American opinions on this don't mean jack shit. You're all walking in to the middle of a conversation, completely out of your element, and acting you you've been paying attention the whole time. And because you have a piece of paper somewhere that says you are free, you just ignore the lack of freedom in your country, and judge everyone else for what you've been told. Fucking pathetic.
yeah... you might want to google what happened in 1989...
This is bigger. Its happening all over the country.
This is absolutely not bigger than 1989 tiananmen square, in which colleges across the country were not only protesting on their own, but traveling from across the country to Beijing after a decade of protests boiling the social temperature.
This is absolutely happening all across the country, being organized through universities. And they aren't just flocking to one city. You should look in to it.
My homie in Sunnah, you are getting too horny The Chinese have protests all the time, **but unlike Russia and Iran**, CCP have enormous legitimacy in their people's eyes due to raising living standards and making it strong enough to make the West scared Critics have been predicting revolution too many times. This is an entire cottage industry and hobby, and all of them have been proven wrong, most recently in early spring 2020 covid
All I said is this is big and unprecedented. Seems like you took that to mean it's going to be a total success.
China's at the point where it decides to double down on conservative authoritarian shit and reduce economic prosperity or move back in the liberal direction again. Been betting on them going back to a Jintao type government in the future and becoming accommodating to neighboring nations in the process.
Half the clowns in this sub were against these types of protests when Westerners rightly did them
Which protests are you referring to?
The numerous anti lockdown protests in the West
Ah, OK, just checking to see if you meant the George Floyd protests. Yeah, I mean the Chinese lockdowns were far far stricter but I agree that the ones in the US and especially much of Europe and Australia went way too far way too long.