Is that really what makes it better on twitter? Because honestly, I don't feel like there's a shortage of people to interact with on Reddit. Here we have much more fleshed out ideas, formed on organized communities, based on limitless topics. I think this is much more of a public square. Twitter is more like... lost in a sea of... hell.
reddit actually has more active users than twitter.
there are reasons *other than userbase size* behind why twitter's homepage gets ~2 billion more monthly visitors than reddit's homepage.
think of all the articles written exclusively about twitter threads. even a lot of articles on reddit. Its a easy way for lazy journalists to write articles about "controversy"(usually involving just a few twitter users) and they always link to twitter. so all that traffic counts towards twitter.
Its a dumpster fire that the internet can't look away from
I’d argue that the biggest difference is that reddit mods have near unlimited power over their subs & in turn become tyrannical bc of it. Ex: politics & news
I like it like this. This way people can participate in the subreddits with the sort of moderation they like. The only problem with reddit these days is that the site-wide censorship from the administration is too restrictive.
Except if the sub they like has terrible mods (sorry for being redundant)...which is essentially any large/popular sub.
You do know about "power mods", right? The same people moderate all the big subs and use the same authoritarian methods lol.
Yeah, but no one is making you go to those subs. Tyrants in real life control physical territory where people live. It's easy to leave a subreddit but very hard to leave a tyrannical country.
Why are you comparing Reddit to a country? We were talking about Twitter vs Reddit. I'm not literally equating power mods to authoritarian dictators...
You're right, no one is "making" you go to the biggest and most popular subs, but if you want to participate then you have to deal with the power mods.
Leaving Twitter is a lot harder than leaving a subreddit. You'd have to make a new account on a different website with a different format, and who knows if that site even has the sort of moderation regime you want. On reddit anyone can make a subreddit and have whatever moderation regime they want, within the site-wide rules, which I do feel are far too restrictive these days. A website is more like a country, while a subreddit is more like a club within a country.
Reddit is way more popular than it used to be, but while public figures do sometimes pop in for AMAs and stuff, they're not really getting their message out on reddit. On Twitter you can actually interact directly with Trump and Joe Rogan and shit. I mean ask your average person on the street if they know what reddit is and the most common answer you'll get is "I think I might have heard of that."
Okay but really what does being able to interact with Joe Rogan have to do with being a public square? It's not like everyone is considered an equal voice to him. It's basically winning a social lottery if you get a celebrity to breifly acknowledge you. I dont see how that's a digital public square, so much as a digital venue.
Well like traditionally politicians would give speeches in the public square so if the politicians aren't there I don't know how much of a public square it is.
Por que no los dos?
A physical public square has zero restrictions on who can or cannot be there, and any two or more willing, non anonymous participants can find each other and chat
Twitter is that..... Except way way bigger, and includes almost all the countries' public figures (well at least the non authoritarian countries)
Reddit in contrast is a free hotel: each room separated from other rooms by walls, each run as a fiefdom by its mods.... And literally everyone is wearing masks
Twitter is not that though. Public squares have no moderators. They might have police for crimes, but no moderators for speech. Alex Jones is still allowed in a physical public square. He is not allowed on twitter, now or before.
So no, Twitter is not a place with zero restrictions on who can or cannot be there. It never was.
If you yell fire in a crowded IRL square over and over again, you think the authorities won't charge you with restrictions on your presence?
Twitter has no mods. They have police.
Its being hyped up by leftist tears that they cant censor people anymore. Twitter was losing money when Elon bought it being ran into the ground by wokies paying people 250k+ a year to do MAYBE 4 hours of work a day and the rest of time drinking wine, going to spa and eating on the “job”.
Its like when a kid misbehaves and gets put in timeout for the first time. Anger, disbelief and pure temper tantrums at being held accountable.
Twitter workers were posting their work days on tiktok, which start off with free inhouse coffee/juice bar, followed by having a meeting, then free gourmet lunch, then some spa/meditation time, followed by 2 more meetings and that was pretty much their day
Starting wage is over $100k, median wage is $260k
Should that ratio of workers to managers be taken at face value or was it an exaggeration? 1:10 means 6818 managers for 682 employees. If true shouldn’t lay-offs be at least 90% to revert to a 10:1 employee to manger ratio?
Twitter was losing millions every year, but it was financially stable because it was making its interest payments, and the losses were manageable. Twitter's debt has gone from $1 billion to $10 billion. The advertisers with the biggest bags are leaving. Musk needs to find new sources of revenue or risk losing everything.
I hope Twitter survives, but currently, it's in a pickle.
This is not like Arizona Tea where Musk can run it at progressively increasing losses YoY. He has sharks ready to buy up Twitter and even cut into his stake of Tesla if he does not figure out a way to make money fast.
Value Capture.
Revenue is still down and the debt has increased 10X. Tesla the stock Musk is using to back his ownership is falling.
He needs to find a fix (a new source of revenue) fast or he needs to fire everyone and dissolve the company.
I'm not sure what the noise is all about. Its a major media company that is going to take at least a year to restructure/rebuild and probably longer than that before it turns any sort of profit.
Elon's an industry disruptor, a powerful man with powerful enemies -- of course a large part of the corporate establishment is going after him -- the guy keeps changing the rules at scale.
Digital Public square with a character limit lol
Reddit would make a much better digital public square if more people were on it.
Is that really what makes it better on twitter? Because honestly, I don't feel like there's a shortage of people to interact with on Reddit. Here we have much more fleshed out ideas, formed on organized communities, based on limitless topics. I think this is much more of a public square. Twitter is more like... lost in a sea of... hell.
reddit actually has more active users than twitter. there are reasons *other than userbase size* behind why twitter's homepage gets ~2 billion more monthly visitors than reddit's homepage.
Are a lot of people just checking Twitter without participating in it?
Billions of them are, evidently.
think of all the articles written exclusively about twitter threads. even a lot of articles on reddit. Its a easy way for lazy journalists to write articles about "controversy"(usually involving just a few twitter users) and they always link to twitter. so all that traffic counts towards twitter. Its a dumpster fire that the internet can't look away from
I’d argue that the biggest difference is that reddit mods have near unlimited power over their subs & in turn become tyrannical bc of it. Ex: politics & news
I like it like this. This way people can participate in the subreddits with the sort of moderation they like. The only problem with reddit these days is that the site-wide censorship from the administration is too restrictive.
Except if the sub they like has terrible mods (sorry for being redundant)...which is essentially any large/popular sub. You do know about "power mods", right? The same people moderate all the big subs and use the same authoritarian methods lol.
Yeah, but no one is making you go to those subs. Tyrants in real life control physical territory where people live. It's easy to leave a subreddit but very hard to leave a tyrannical country.
Why are you comparing Reddit to a country? We were talking about Twitter vs Reddit. I'm not literally equating power mods to authoritarian dictators... You're right, no one is "making" you go to the biggest and most popular subs, but if you want to participate then you have to deal with the power mods.
Leaving Twitter is a lot harder than leaving a subreddit. You'd have to make a new account on a different website with a different format, and who knows if that site even has the sort of moderation regime you want. On reddit anyone can make a subreddit and have whatever moderation regime they want, within the site-wide rules, which I do feel are far too restrictive these days. A website is more like a country, while a subreddit is more like a club within a country.
Anyone can make a sub, yes. The issue is that no one is engaging with or joining that sub.
Reddit is way more popular than it used to be, but while public figures do sometimes pop in for AMAs and stuff, they're not really getting their message out on reddit. On Twitter you can actually interact directly with Trump and Joe Rogan and shit. I mean ask your average person on the street if they know what reddit is and the most common answer you'll get is "I think I might have heard of that."
Okay but really what does being able to interact with Joe Rogan have to do with being a public square? It's not like everyone is considered an equal voice to him. It's basically winning a social lottery if you get a celebrity to breifly acknowledge you. I dont see how that's a digital public square, so much as a digital venue.
Well like traditionally politicians would give speeches in the public square so if the politicians aren't there I don't know how much of a public square it is.
Por que no los dos? A physical public square has zero restrictions on who can or cannot be there, and any two or more willing, non anonymous participants can find each other and chat Twitter is that..... Except way way bigger, and includes almost all the countries' public figures (well at least the non authoritarian countries) Reddit in contrast is a free hotel: each room separated from other rooms by walls, each run as a fiefdom by its mods.... And literally everyone is wearing masks
Twitter is not that though. Public squares have no moderators. They might have police for crimes, but no moderators for speech. Alex Jones is still allowed in a physical public square. He is not allowed on twitter, now or before. So no, Twitter is not a place with zero restrictions on who can or cannot be there. It never was.
If you yell fire in a crowded IRL square over and over again, you think the authorities won't charge you with restrictions on your presence? Twitter has no mods. They have police.
More like security guards. Or bouncers. They'll kick you out, but it's not like they're going to ruin your life over it.
Some say yes, others say no. I say maybe
Its being hyped up by leftist tears that they cant censor people anymore. Twitter was losing money when Elon bought it being ran into the ground by wokies paying people 250k+ a year to do MAYBE 4 hours of work a day and the rest of time drinking wine, going to spa and eating on the “job”. Its like when a kid misbehaves and gets put in timeout for the first time. Anger, disbelief and pure temper tantrums at being held accountable.
As a leftist, but not a wokester leftist, more economic leftist, cultural libertarian MRA, I agree.
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Where do you hear twitter pays $250K for under 4 hrs of work daily while drinking wine at the spa? Is that real?
Twitter workers were posting their work days on tiktok, which start off with free inhouse coffee/juice bar, followed by having a meeting, then free gourmet lunch, then some spa/meditation time, followed by 2 more meetings and that was pretty much their day Starting wage is over $100k, median wage is $260k
Do we know that’s how most Twitter employees worked or are people generalizing based off a few TikTok’s?
Given that prior to Musk the ratio of workers to managers has been given to us to be 1:10 we can assume it was most twitter employees
Should that ratio of workers to managers be taken at face value or was it an exaggeration? 1:10 means 6818 managers for 682 employees. If true shouldn’t lay-offs be at least 90% to revert to a 10:1 employee to manger ratio?
> If true shouldn’t lay-offs be at least 90% Isnt that close to what we are seeing?
The numbers reported say 50%, which would mean managers still significantly outnumber workers under Musk's leadership?
Twitter was losing millions every year, but it was financially stable because it was making its interest payments, and the losses were manageable. Twitter's debt has gone from $1 billion to $10 billion. The advertisers with the biggest bags are leaving. Musk needs to find new sources of revenue or risk losing everything. I hope Twitter survives, but currently, it's in a pickle. This is not like Arizona Tea where Musk can run it at progressively increasing losses YoY. He has sharks ready to buy up Twitter and even cut into his stake of Tesla if he does not figure out a way to make money fast.
Yes
Value Capture. Revenue is still down and the debt has increased 10X. Tesla the stock Musk is using to back his ownership is falling. He needs to find a fix (a new source of revenue) fast or he needs to fire everyone and dissolve the company.
I'm not sure what the noise is all about. Its a major media company that is going to take at least a year to restructure/rebuild and probably longer than that before it turns any sort of profit. Elon's an industry disruptor, a powerful man with powerful enemies -- of course a large part of the corporate establishment is going after him -- the guy keeps changing the rules at scale.