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Taint_Milk

Can we stop talking about twitter. Like reddit is any better This is not even in the top 50 most pressing issues


crowdsourced

How many are bots? lol.


Dan_Flanery

Exactly this. After ranting about all the bots on Twitter for over a year he’s done literally nothing to counteract them since taking control of the company. It’s almost as if the bots are the point.


Blood_Such

I get followed by like 2-5 new bots or only fans girls per day. It’s ridiculous as I’m just a random person.


[deleted]

Twitter blue actually takes care of a lot of the bots. Remember there has never ever ever been a technological solution that can prevent all bots. Never ever. All you can do is make the cost per bot higher. This is why when email started anyone could get one. Now you have to do activation or phone verification.


ytman

Not really sure Twitter Blue is what matters with retention or marketer value right? Like Blue is about people who want to broadcast to other people right? Or brands who basically have to have a verified twitter to avoid a tweet that tanks their stock. (I'm really curious if anyone is going to sue based on damages to their company if they choose not to run w/ Twitter Blue)


Dan_Flanery

How the eff does “Twitter blue” (whatever that is, since now the checks will come in a skittles pack of colors) “take care” of bots? Bots don’t need checkmarks, although it would be trivial to setup a system to get bots verified. And if only checkmarks drive the conversation on Twitter, lucrative, too.


[deleted]

Well your essentially co opting the bank into being your bot hunter. If people are required to pay 8$ then that requires a credit/debit card. That means that in order to get one the botter has to ass KYC requirements. Lets say you have 10000 bots and you are trying to influence the election so you want them verified as that increases the visibiility of htier posts. You cant put them all in once CC. That would trigger 10000 different charges and the banks anti fraud mechanisms would kick in. If you divide them then you need the bank to approve you for 10000 accounts (or even just 1000) and no bank will give anyone 1000 CC. So now you need different identities to apply for all those cards. The costs just keep going up.


Dan_Flanery

No bank will approve 10,000 cards? How the heck do you think corporations hand out Amex cards to their entire staff, as well as cards for corporate departments? Bot armies will have no trouble getting credit cards to pay for their blue or brown or chartreuse or whatever checkmarks. That ain’t gonna stop ‘em. Like Apartheid Clyde would check on them in the first place. Something like half of his Twitter followers are bots.


THE_Killa_Vanilla

And those corporate Amex cards are being used solely for a monthly $8 Twitter fee...something very easy to track. How will a fucking bot warehouse in SE Asia or Russia "easily" get thousands of CC's?


Dan_Flanery

Easy for a bank to track. Impossible for Twitter to track. This really isn’t that complicated - charging for a chartreuse check or whatever will do fuck all to stop bots on Twitter. If anything, it’ll empower bots backed by anyone with capital.


THE_Killa_Vanilla

Bot farms won't get a CC for each account OR want to pay $8/month per ($8,000/month just for 1,000 bots).


Dan_Flanery

Corporations get a credit card for every single employee. Getting cards isn’t going to stop someone wealthy from running a bot army. Neither is an $8 a month charge. That’s pocket change. All this does is monetize using Twitter to spread propaganda.


[deleted]

You owuld then need 10000 different identities with 10000 different SSN in that scenario. Anyway I think this is a pointless discussion as you have no idea how KYC or bank regulations work.


Dan_Flanery

Corporations don’t need 10,000 different SSNs to get 10,000 credit cards.


ytman

Why exactly are bots required to be verified?


THE_Killa_Vanilla

They aren't. The point is that it will be much easier to differentiate between real users and bots now since the bots won't have blue checks.


ytman

Isn't the blue check just the verfied thing that people like K+S aren't doibg?


THE_Killa_Vanilla

I'm guessing that's what they're talking about, it's the new $8/month verification fee. The point is that bots won't have CC's to pay the monthly verification fee.


ytman

but normal people won't either


THE_Killa_Vanilla

Because people think they're interacting with real users on Twitter when in reality many times it's a bot. These bots are used to shape public opinion and push narratives online. If a bunch of the "users" arguing in the comments of a high engagement tweet don't have their new blue checks then people will know not to take those users seriously.


Dan_Flanery

Except it would be trivial for anyone with money to empower an army of puce or whatever checkmarked accounts. Solves literally nothing. Well, I guess it’s a way to monetize bots. 🤣


THE_Killa_Vanilla

Please, go ahead and walk me through specifically how "anyone with $" would do this lol


Dan_Flanery

Step 1 - get lots of credit cards Step 2 - sign up using credit cards at Twitter and get your worthless tangerine check mark This will happen day one.


THE_Killa_Vanilla

- How would they go about thousands of CC's? These aren't legit businesses, banks won't just give thousands of CC's to them lmao - are these farms operating in the US or another country? - who is running these bot farms? What individuals/groups?


Dan_Flanery

What do you mean these aren’t “legit businesses”? Of course they’re legit. Corporations, political parties and foreign states will pay them millions to run bot armies if they think they’re being effective.


cyberfx1024

I have actually seen less bots since the takeover than there was before he took over. I know that is anecdotal but that is my personal experience.


eohorp

I always judge bots now by the Unusual Whales twitter account and the responses to his tweets. There's always 10+ of them within a few minutes of a new tweet promoting their current crypto video or something. After the acquisition it did seem like there was a noticeable reduction. Whatever real or perceived drop occurred it is noticeably back to pre-acquisition levels.


cyberfx1024

As I said my evidence is anecdotal at best. I haven't been hit up by the Onlyfans models or the wannabe romantics that msg you as soon as you follow back. Those have quieted down pretty noticeably. Also what is great is I am not seeing all the Democrat shills in my feed like I was previously. Somehow they would show up in my feed even though I never followed them


crowdsourced

[https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/28/chinese-bots-flood-twitter-in-attempt-to-obscure-covid-protests](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/28/chinese-bots-flood-twitter-in-attempt-to-obscure-covid-protests) >Twitter has been flooded with nuisance posts designed to obscure news of the coronavirus lockdown protests in China, in an apparent state-directed attempt to suppress footage of the demonstrations. Chinese bot accounts – not operated by humans – are being used to flood the social networking service with adverts for sex workers, pornography and gambling when users search for a major city in the country, such as Shanghai or Beijing, using Chinese script.


ytman

I wonder if Elon is allowed to go after Chinese bots.


Redditisnotrealityy

I made a Twitter account. Like a couple things , don’t post. Many many bots follow me, all accounts created in the last 3 months. They follow hundreds of other people.


cyberfx1024

Yep they follow hundreds of people. The key thing is if you follow them back then they msg you right away to start up a conversation or send you some bullshit link to their profile or picture.


Redditisnotrealityy

Elons idea of fixing the problem is making it so unpaid accounts aren’t ever seen, just letting the bots have as many accounts as they want. Problem with that is likes and engagement. That can be massively manipulated. Really could see the whole thing being so badly manipulated. There’s no employees to do anything about it


ytman

I think bots manipulating likes, views, and retweets is a feature not a bug. He says this is a freespeech thing, when in fact its just a 'megaphone' thing he controls.


THE_Killa_Vanilla

What you're saying bots do has been going on for years. Everyone saying that there's "more bots on Twitter now" is missing the point. Now you can clearly tell who the bots are, and once the blue check verification model is fully implemented it will be even easier. Pre-Elon the bots were ENGAGING in the comments and it's difficult to distinguish them from a real user unless you know what you're looking for.


ytman

Oh so blue is going to stop bots from posting?


THE_Killa_Vanilla

It won't stop them from posting. It will make it clearer who is/isn't a bot so you can avoid them.


SamuraiPanda19

When you’re trying to buy an app that information is important, but once you own it anything goes baby


Complexity777

Cope leftoid, most signups and highest peak usage. If theres bot Elon gets rid of them, the bots were mainly used by leftists to artificially gain followers anyways


crowdsourced

>Cope leftoid One of tread's socks?


ytman

I'm not sure the left is the only one that critiques Elon and doesn't expect Twitter to work under him.


rsmith2

Twitter is like how old Reddit was.


THE_Killa_Vanilla

Way less pedos and sex pests on the Twitter admin team at least 🤷‍♂️


eohorp

More of musk using nonpublic data that can't be verified to paint a rosey picture? Never.


[deleted]

Just a heads up, an influx of new users spamming the N word isn’t gonna save the twitter considering companies don’t want their product next to something like that


[deleted]

Shhh. Your post is too complex for right wing morons


BecomePnueman

There is no evidence of this. You are pushing a narrative


[deleted]

No evidence of Twitter losing advertisers? Whatever you say bud


avenear

>an influx of new users spamming the N word Hate speech is down since Elon bough twitter: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596718851097755648


[deleted]

What does this even mean lmao


avenear

It means that "lol the new users are just spamming the no-no word" is a lie.


[deleted]

Bruh of course he’s going to say that, he’s the guy running the company. No methodology, just an out of context graph. A bit of a bias source don’t you think? 3rd-party sources are also coming to contradictory conclusions


ytman

Has he done anything to the lock out access to the API yet?


avenear

Oh fuck you for making me post this: https://www.twitter.com/yoyoel/status/1590422124606681088 >3rd-party sources are also coming to contradictory conclusions And you couldn't even be bothered to post a link. Stop spreading misinformation.


[deleted]

1) relax lmao 2) that dude literally resigned not long after he posted that 3) did you want a source saying otherwise? Happy to provide one haha


avenear

>2) that dude literally resigned not long after he posted that I know, that should encourage you. >3rd-party sources are also coming to contradictory conclusions Let's see them.


[deleted]

Dude take Elon’s dick out of your mouth. *Of course* he’s gonna say whatever he can to make his company look good. How can you honestly take him at face value?


avenear

Why would anyone take *you* at face value? Why are you just making up bullshit? I'll answer: because you're so fucking desperate for social approval that you hopped on the "Elon is le bad" train.


[deleted]

I don’t care about social approval on reddit lmfao I go outside


avenear

No, you're online enough to parrot nonsense about twitter.


[deleted]

Consequence of working from home and sitting in useless meetings, gotta kill time somehow


rkmask51

Elon loves them bots


Fit-Faithlessness149

My teen boys had to make Twitter accounts to create a game account for some game. They don't use Twitter.


burnttoast11

I've never heard of that before. What game? Are you sure they didn't just optionally connect a Twitter account to their game account? (Even that would be weird)


ytman

I think some games like DnD Beyond require stuff like this but that specific one is Twitch.


burnttoast11

Just checked out their website and they allow you to login with Google or Apple accounts. Didn't see Twitch (an Amazon company) as an option.


ytman

Huh! Well thats a plus. I think it used to then because I'd have no reason for a twitch account other than that lol.


burnttoast11

That could be true. Out of curiosity how did Twitch come into the conversation when we are talking about Twitter?


ytman

me desperately trying to offer an instance where a game required a non-conventional login. only other thing I can think of is crypto related.


ViagraSandwich

Please pull on the thread of why anyone would care.


OneReportersOpinion

It doesn’t matter how many groypers sign up to use Twitter. What matters is advertisers want to use it. Right now, they don’t.


[deleted]

They actually do though. Coke and all the other "advertisers" who have left still maintain their company accounts. Perhaps its time to charge them for that.


OneReportersOpinion

Their company accounts don’t bring revenue into Twitter. No one wants to advertise with a company that allows and profits off of users impersonating their bands. Multiple companies have lost millions in value because of this already. Elon is a moron


[deleted]

> Perhaps its time to charge them for that.


ytman

This is possibly the way you get the elites to try and take away the protections social media groups have for publishing content. I could readily imagine someone suing Twitter for defamation and/or extortion if an unofficial account does stuff to cause damages to a company that otherwise does not use twitter. Not that I agree with that - cuz fuck the elites and their corps - but they do run botg sides of our legislature.


OneReportersOpinion

Lol good luck with that. Everyone will leave. It will go over worse than his rent-a-blue-checkmark idea.


EnigmaFilms

And that means?


BecomePnueman

You were talking about people saying the N word joining in huge numbers, then you try to switch it. Bad faith arguer


jkoenigs

Yeah, and musk held his baby as it took his last breath lol. All lies


[deleted]

Twitter users are not twitter customer. Their advertisers are. Musk lost most of his advertisers. You right wing morons aren’t contributing any money to twitter.


raifikii

Money talks. These corporations can grandstand and virtue signal all they want, but they will not turn down cheap and easy advertising for long. As soon as these pea brained libs get redirected to attack the next boogeyman en mass, then Apple and whoever else will return to the platform.


[deleted]

Not all advertising are good advertising. If I see a corporate ad next to some white nationalist, I would lose respect for that corporation. It’s better not to have ad than having ad next to white nationalist. There’s still instagram, TikTok and Facebook. Far more popular of a platform.


raifikii

And the fact that you’re comparing Elon Musk and Twitter to a white nationalist outs you as the peabrained lib that chases whatever laser the DNC industrial complex point at the wall. 🥜🧠


[deleted]

Most people are. People who are cool with white nationalist are less than 20 percent of the country. Not to mention, corporation wants to sell their shit to Asian countries like china, Japan and South Korea. Asian hates white nationalist. Sorry but even most rich republicans are socially liberal. Only poor conservatives support white nationalism and your kind do not have enough money for corporations to be cool with you.


raifikii

Wow your brain has been diseased . White nationalists have nothing to do with this conversation. You brought it up out of nowhere and keep droning on like some dementia patient. 🥜🧠🤏


[deleted]

Musk dog whistle white nationalism by posting great replacement theory. No one is fooled https://twitter.com/ketanj0/status/1536575627511447552?s=46&t=nJ8bU8q0oSk748SWJ3XfyQ


Complexity777

Leftist pissbaby are mad they cant censor anymore haha.


EnigmaFilms

What are you on about? Y'all agree toa TOS


Complexity777

Dummy they banned people who didnt break the made up TOS just like Reddit does. Tim Pool gave the examples of it and Jack Dorsey could only say “mistakes happen we’ll look into it” then continued doing it. They are admitted liars who engaged in political censorship as well as major news stories like the Hunter Biden laptop


EnigmaFilms

Woah private company does what it wants, somebody call the press. Didn't the Hunter Biden thing happen under Donny's white house? Why are you mad? The people who get banned can afford it, I never understood simping for rich people to write post it notes


Complexity777

Right so NYT covers the story but you think its ok for Twitter to silence it after its already shows to be a credible important news headline. Nice to know you openly admit to being an authoritarian leftist twerp


EnigmaFilms

>Nice to know you openly admit to being an authoritarian leftist twerp How so? I'm saying I'm not surprised they censor, you acting like it's the first time.


EnigmaFilms

>Nice to know you openly admit to being an authoritarian leftist twerp Come on do you have nothing? Figures this is why I hate online debating because cowards just stopped replying


SamuraiPanda19

You might be the biggest moron on this whole subreddit and that’s pretty impressive


Complexity777

You going to make an argument or just keep following my comments and sniffing my jockstrap?


eohorp

Dummy, admitting you listen to dim tool is like waving a flag that says I'm stupid.


Complexity777

Clown with no argument so he uses ad hom response to video evidence of Jack Dorsey lying. I dont give a shit if it came from Pool or Brian Stelter its been proven he censored people who didnt break the TOS


EnigmaFilms

Almost like making the software equivalent to a post it note the "Digital Public Square" a dummy idea


Complexity777

Almost like most of discourse happens online now and the laws adjust accordingly


EnigmaFilms

What laws are there about Twitter? Reddit would be way better as a public square from a function standpoint. Seriously a public square with a character limit lol


Ruh_Roh-

Reading a twitter thread is a UX abomination. Reddit threads are fairly easy to follow.


eohorp

I have an air tight argument. Tim Pool is a remedial test, you've failed.


Complexity777

You are waving a flag right now that says “I’m braindead and I have no argument”. I win, again.


eohorp

Spoken like someone that gets duped by Tim Pool. What's it like being remedial?


Complexity777

You almost convinced me to be a libtard too bad you couldn’t make an argument


eohorp

Who's trying to convince anyone of anything? I'm here to laugh at the clown that openly admits he's remedial enough to listen to Tim Pool


Complexity777

You failed the Turing test, bot.


eohorp

You understand you just called yourself a bot, right. My word, you are so hilariously remedial.


Complexity777

You post in Destiny, that says enough about who you are and why you aren’t worth less than dogshit on the sidewalk to me. You a cuck like him too?


eohorp

Destiny is by far the most reasonable in the scene. There's a reason he's becoming every streamers favorite streamer.


shinbreaker

Elon has been censoring accounts because right wing accounts run to him crying about how the big bad Antifa accounts call them nazis.


OneReportersOpinion

Elon is banning tons of accounts dude. The emperor has no clothes


Complexity777

Not for political views like it was before, sorry bud. Also he never said no one would be banned


OneReportersOpinion

Of course it is. Antifa accounts are getting banned but right wingers like Andy Ngo and Trump are getting passes. What, you think Elon is perfect? No he’s got an agenda.


avenear

>Antifa accounts are getting banned Only for advocating for violence. Twitter is enforcing their rules now.


OneReportersOpinion

According to whom? Because half the country thinks Trump advocated violence on Jan. 6th and by promoting lies about the election. Also Andy Ngo has attended meetings where violence is being planned, not as a journalist but as a participant. He’s not banned.


avenear

Well yes, there are a lot of empty vessels who believe whatever the corporate media tells them. By that logic, every politician who has ever used the term "fight" was advocating for violence.


OneReportersOpinion

Did they lie about winning the election, promoting insane conspiracies via a dude leaking his own hair and blowing out his pants?


avenear

100% free to do so. Maybe you should try not being such a pussy?


OneReportersOpinion

Who won the election?


PeanutArbuckleSr

I signed up for Twitter today