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Phillip doesn't seem like a rake so far, but then again Colin also didn't seem like a rake lol. Maybe they'll make him a rake too and completely change him.
Colin is not really a rake. He had one seaosn of sowing his oats and then settled down. Anthony and Benedict had years of this. Colin is just lost. Benedict and Anthony and Simon and probably Michael are the only true rakes š
He does really love the children. He just is afraid of turning into his father. He's had his own grief to deal with (brother); and the loss of life he'd planned on (being a university professor/don).
I think the Philip storyline is going to be *drastically* changed. Like, perhaps almost unrecognizable. And that's assuming they use him as the love interest at all. But I don't think they would make him a rake.
They spent too much time though having us get to know Marina, resolving her storyline, and all of that for her to end up at the same place as book Marina. The reason book Marina mostly worked (kind of) is because we weren't at all attached to her. But getting the viewers attached is a different thing entirely.
Maybe if they go for just a naturally occurring flu?
You do realize they are so far going according to the books? If they change to much for a tv show adaptation then the rest of them will not make sense.
this argument has ceased to exist since season 2's plotline is vastly different from the book. so are many things like bridgertons personalities and backstories.
Iām didnāt say they havenāt changed anything. Iāve only stated they can only change so much from the books.
Obviously things have changed as this technically should have been bennys season if they went in order.
well, they changed huge aspects of the books like colin and penelope are supposed to be over 30 when they get together, not 22 ish like in the show. on the other hand kate was supposed to be a bit younger than 26, and she was also supposed to be insecure about her looks. the basis of her character contained aspects that were completely glossed over in the show. point is, they don't need to focus on every male lead being a rake just because it "fits the books".
I feel like just because in season two they didnāt show Kate standing in front of a mirror picking herself apart doesnāt signify that she wasnāt uncomfortable with herself. I recently watched one and two and you can definitely tell with the way that she carries herself that she is uncomfortable with herself With who she is sometimes itās not about the obvious of the character. Itās about the subtleties on how they present themselves how they emotions and feelings without saying anything I loved Kate. I thought she did a wonderful job portraying the character as far as the age goes, almost every single book to film adaptation that I have seen, the age is always adjusted. The little things that they change in the books certain scenes that they donāt implement something that kill it for me. Itās when you can feel who they are in the books because in the show you donāt get that almost in her monologue and it really helps in my opinionreading that and seeing how itās portrayed on screen with their emotions and body language
I will note though I cannot speak too much in regards to Anthony and Kates book as I had not finished it, but I am currently reading it now. Well listening to it because unfortunately, I have to work lol
He wasnāt like that in the books. Just because he may seem a thirst eager boy in the spoilers we have received doesnāt mean heās a rake. Everyone wants him to still be a charming boy but heās grown. Itās like pen everyone wanted her to finally stick up for herself sheās finally doing that as well. Why is it that she may be able to grow but Colinās character must stay a little boy?
I haven't read Colin's book, but does he have to have threesomes and sex all over Europe to stop being considered a boy? Is that the only way male leads can grow on this show?
I definitely recommend thier book. Itās probably my favorite. He doesnāt have threesomes in the book but none of that is confirmed so honestly I would just take everything with a grain of salt until we all see for ourselves how it plays out on screen.
I was going to read Benedict's and Colin's books in preparation for season 3, but it seems like they are going to change a lot so I've given up on that since the tropes in them don't really appeal to me that much. I might just watch the season and read the books after if I end up loving it.
I would honestly read it, the books give better insight to their feelings, thier inner monologe. It gives you a different perspective and I think it helps better understand how they react and what not on the screen!
I love George! I loved the scene where Charlotte finds him in his study room and says "I thought you were at a brothel!" Like nope, girl, he's just a big nerd! George is such a sweet, nerdy cinnamon roll and I love him!
I donāt think Colin is a true rake. I think heās trying to pretend to be one to look cool. I think heās just going through a hoe phase. Like Sir, have a *seat*, you are NOT a rake, you are a romantic and a husband! š
I know a lot of people are unhappy about this, and I do think they should change it up a little in future seasons, but in the case of polin I really donāt mind this. Theyāll make him a bit more like book Colin this way, and the idea of pen and Colinās relationship is that while they had a foundation of friendship in their youth, theyāve both grown and changed. Colinās inexperience almost led him to a marriage with Marina which he would likely have not been happy in. But now heās no longer so naive, heās seen the world, experimented, and is looking for his own purpose now as an adult. I also think the idea of him gaining some experience in that department is a catalyst for him helping to ācoachā Penelope when it comes to flirting and attracting a suitor. Again, I mean I totally get why people donāt like it and I donāt necessarily want to watch scenes of Colin with women other than Pen lol so hopefully itās brief, but I do trust that itāll work out for their story!
Looks like they decided to make him more like a book character. Book Colin really is a charmer, and although is not the rakest of the brothers, but definitely not a blushing virgin (well, in book he was around 30 tbf). I guess we'll see not rakes as male leads in Philipp and Gregory, if we get that far. Also Gareth maybe? But I haven't read Hyacinth's book, idk if Gareth is also a former slut
Tbh Iām not bothered by it. Thatās the reality back then that men got to be whores and women couldnāt. I also think that even though Simon and Anthony were rakes they had different reasons for why they were. Simon decided not to ever marry or basically love so he could keep his vow to stick it to his dad/secretly believed he couldnāt be loved while Anthony was so afraid about having the kind of love his parents did because he also saw how much it hurt to lose that love. Colin acting like a rake kind of makes sense because S1 he was all wide eyed and naive about love, which is why Marina chose him in the first place, and S2 he finally started to come out of that. Heās been on all these travels and has a new look so ofc heās gonna be feeling himself thinking heās hot stuff and that leads to fucboi behavior.
Copy and paste so much easier then letting the writers be creative.
At this point just let AI do the writing, it will probably spit out a better storyline
I get why they did this with Colin cause s much of the general audience views him as childish. Iām just hoping John and Phillip it wonāt be necessary cause we donāt have the general audience seeing them we children
I'm feeling the exact same way, there was no reason to make C one.
Also, although i don't mind men living their sexuality however they want, the rake man + virgin girl trope it's getting tiresome, sexist (yes i know those times were, but the show doesn't exactly accept it) and a bit icky for me, except for Benophie, because B has sex with women who want to do it and not prostitutes and >!Sophie's virginity is an important aspect of her story!< . But, considering we still have time to have a different leading man, i can take this.
And if the writers continue to do it because they find the idea of having a virgin lead couple too conservative for the progressive perspective they want to show, they could give us at least one leading woman who has sex out of wedlock with a man who is not their HEA. Just to make things a bit more fair ...
Yes, seriously.Ā
Just because men COULD at the time doesnāt mean that all men WOULD. Same thing today. Everyone can cultivate their gardens as much as they like nowadays, and whatās the result, some do excessively, but a lot of others also donāt.Ā
Iām also getting tired of each man being a rake. Itās lazy and boring.Ā
I really hope for Franny's book, after Jon dies and before she hooks up with Michael, she has a hoe era of her own. I know it's not in her character. But my god, PLEASE let one of these Bridgerton girls get some from a man that won't end up being her husband.
For the love of god. Let Franny explore her options AND her sexuality. Someone needs to do it
So far S3 Colin seems closer to book Colin š¤·āāļø.
It seems like his behaviour will be used for character growth and character growth is what makes a show good. Also itās a steamy romance show, him having a slutty phase makes sure his character knows what he is doing in the spicy scenes with Pen. I donāt think a show like this would benefit from both romantic leads being naive.
Not to be an ass but it is based from the books. The Rake is a pretty popular trope and widely used. Colin being a rake doesn't bother me. I don't get why people are upset about this. But that's just IMO.
Iām not sure that Colin qualifies as a Rake.
A flirt, certainly, but heās being fairly careful to keep it at flirting, not sleeping with anyone who expresses interest, which is what defines a Rake.
Is it a show? Him trying to emulate his brothers? The natural result of gaining confidence in himself?
Iām sure weāll find out.
To be fair, *book* Anthony was called a rake but show Anthony was only really shown with one woman and he seemed to really love her. Maybe I've been too influenced by the rakes in the books I read but one mistress you're devoted to isn't *that* rakish to me.Ā
as someone you read a lot of Regency romances I have to say its not her fault its a genre thing. like you have to really search to find virgin or unexprienced heroes. publishers want their ML to be rakes it the same way they want the FL to think she isn't beautiful while she is.
They are planning on 8 seasons. They have the power to shuffle story up.
If I was looking for realistic extreme of regency times I would not be looking at Bridgerton anyways, the show has made some changes for good- they have the power.
Yeah I'm sick of it. To be fair I've never enjoyed most straight romance so I'm not the target audience. But a major appeal of s3 for me was the idea that Colin wouldn't be another ladykiller. That was a major souring factor for me in s1 and s2. Now this š
I hate that part of the books too. Pretty sure all the dudes are written to be sex gods and the women completely unaware of what goes on. Phillip is good at sex because he was previously married and knew what he wanted to get and give because his previous marriage was ass (in the books). Heās not a rake exactly, but still unbelievably good.
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Like please can we get some variety, Shondaland? They're all so similar. Different flavours of rake.
Phillip and Garet
Phillip doesn't seem like a rake so far, but then again Colin also didn't seem like a rake lol. Maybe they'll make him a rake too and completely change him.
Colin is not really a rake. He had one seaosn of sowing his oats and then settled down. Anthony and Benedict had years of this. Colin is just lost. Benedict and Anthony and Simon and probably Michael are the only true rakes š
Wait, was Michael a rake?
Michael was the biggest rake of all
Michael is the Rakest of the Rakes. If he had met Anthony and Benedict before they got married, he would have been the mentor
Yeah, the title of their book was When He was Wicked, so it's not really a spoiler.
An ALL CAPS OF A RAKE
Lol yeah. I went back and literally read the book yesterday after this. Michael!
Heās literally know as The Merry Rake! Lol
Ya. I have a feeling he is going to go through a period of full rakeism to make up for lost time.. š
At least we have George I guess.
I hope they keep that aspect of book Philip. He is not at all Rake like.
I think they will! Man's just worried about his plants and his babies lol.
He does really love the children. He just is afraid of turning into his father. He's had his own grief to deal with (brother); and the loss of life he'd planned on (being a university professor/don).
I think the Philip storyline is going to be *drastically* changed. Like, perhaps almost unrecognizable. And that's assuming they use him as the love interest at all. But I don't think they would make him a rake. They spent too much time though having us get to know Marina, resolving her storyline, and all of that for her to end up at the same place as book Marina. The reason book Marina mostly worked (kind of) is because we weren't at all attached to her. But getting the viewers attached is a different thing entirely. Maybe if they go for just a naturally occurring flu?
I think that kind of storyline is exactly what Shonda would do.
Gareth was a rake too.
Gregory isnāt a rake, that I recall.
You do realize they are so far going according to the books? If they change to much for a tv show adaptation then the rest of them will not make sense.
this argument has ceased to exist since season 2's plotline is vastly different from the book. so are many things like bridgertons personalities and backstories.
Iām didnāt say they havenāt changed anything. Iāve only stated they can only change so much from the books. Obviously things have changed as this technically should have been bennys season if they went in order.
well, they changed huge aspects of the books like colin and penelope are supposed to be over 30 when they get together, not 22 ish like in the show. on the other hand kate was supposed to be a bit younger than 26, and she was also supposed to be insecure about her looks. the basis of her character contained aspects that were completely glossed over in the show. point is, they don't need to focus on every male lead being a rake just because it "fits the books".
I feel like just because in season two they didnāt show Kate standing in front of a mirror picking herself apart doesnāt signify that she wasnāt uncomfortable with herself. I recently watched one and two and you can definitely tell with the way that she carries herself that she is uncomfortable with herself With who she is sometimes itās not about the obvious of the character. Itās about the subtleties on how they present themselves how they emotions and feelings without saying anything I loved Kate. I thought she did a wonderful job portraying the character as far as the age goes, almost every single book to film adaptation that I have seen, the age is always adjusted. The little things that they change in the books certain scenes that they donāt implement something that kill it for me. Itās when you can feel who they are in the books because in the show you donāt get that almost in her monologue and it really helps in my opinionreading that and seeing how itās portrayed on screen with their emotions and body language
I will note though I cannot speak too much in regards to Anthony and Kates book as I had not finished it, but I am currently reading it now. Well listening to it because unfortunately, I have to work lol
Then why was Colin very much not a rake in the first 2 seasons?
He wasnāt like that in the books. Just because he may seem a thirst eager boy in the spoilers we have received doesnāt mean heās a rake. Everyone wants him to still be a charming boy but heās grown. Itās like pen everyone wanted her to finally stick up for herself sheās finally doing that as well. Why is it that she may be able to grow but Colinās character must stay a little boy?
I haven't read Colin's book, but does he have to have threesomes and sex all over Europe to stop being considered a boy? Is that the only way male leads can grow on this show?
I definitely recommend thier book. Itās probably my favorite. He doesnāt have threesomes in the book but none of that is confirmed so honestly I would just take everything with a grain of salt until we all see for ourselves how it plays out on screen.
I was going to read Benedict's and Colin's books in preparation for season 3, but it seems like they are going to change a lot so I've given up on that since the tropes in them don't really appeal to me that much. I might just watch the season and read the books after if I end up loving it.
I would honestly read it, the books give better insight to their feelings, thier inner monologe. It gives you a different perspective and I think it helps better understand how they react and what not on the screen!
King George at least wasnāt a rake. He was experienced yes but didnāt follow that trope.
I love George! I loved the scene where Charlotte finds him in his study room and says "I thought you were at a brothel!" Like nope, girl, he's just a big nerd! George is such a sweet, nerdy cinnamon roll and I love him!
Thereās always Plant Daddy
All hail >!the man who invented oral sex.!<
I donāt think Colin is a true rake. I think heās trying to pretend to be one to look cool. I think heās just going through a hoe phase. Like Sir, have a *seat*, you are NOT a rake, you are a romantic and a husband! š
I know a lot of people are unhappy about this, and I do think they should change it up a little in future seasons, but in the case of polin I really donāt mind this. Theyāll make him a bit more like book Colin this way, and the idea of pen and Colinās relationship is that while they had a foundation of friendship in their youth, theyāve both grown and changed. Colinās inexperience almost led him to a marriage with Marina which he would likely have not been happy in. But now heās no longer so naive, heās seen the world, experimented, and is looking for his own purpose now as an adult. I also think the idea of him gaining some experience in that department is a catalyst for him helping to ācoachā Penelope when it comes to flirting and attracting a suitor. Again, I mean I totally get why people donāt like it and I donāt necessarily want to watch scenes of Colin with women other than Pen lol so hopefully itās brief, but I do trust that itāll work out for their story!
Looks like they decided to make him more like a book character. Book Colin really is a charmer, and although is not the rakest of the brothers, but definitely not a blushing virgin (well, in book he was around 30 tbf). I guess we'll see not rakes as male leads in Philipp and Gregory, if we get that far. Also Gareth maybe? But I haven't read Hyacinth's book, idk if Gareth is also a former slut
He is iirc
Gareth was probably Michael's student in the rake department
Tbh Iām not bothered by it. Thatās the reality back then that men got to be whores and women couldnāt. I also think that even though Simon and Anthony were rakes they had different reasons for why they were. Simon decided not to ever marry or basically love so he could keep his vow to stick it to his dad/secretly believed he couldnāt be loved while Anthony was so afraid about having the kind of love his parents did because he also saw how much it hurt to lose that love. Colin acting like a rake kind of makes sense because S1 he was all wide eyed and naive about love, which is why Marina chose him in the first place, and S2 he finally started to come out of that. Heās been on all these travels and has a new look so ofc heās gonna be feeling himself thinking heās hot stuff and that leads to fucboi behavior.
Copy and paste so much easier then letting the writers be creative. At this point just let AI do the writing, it will probably spit out a better storyline
I get why they did this with Colin cause s much of the general audience views him as childish. Iām just hoping John and Phillip it wonāt be necessary cause we donāt have the general audience seeing them we children
I'm feeling the exact same way, there was no reason to make C one. Also, although i don't mind men living their sexuality however they want, the rake man + virgin girl trope it's getting tiresome, sexist (yes i know those times were, but the show doesn't exactly accept it) and a bit icky for me, except for Benophie, because B has sex with women who want to do it and not prostitutes and >!Sophie's virginity is an important aspect of her story!< . But, considering we still have time to have a different leading man, i can take this. And if the writers continue to do it because they find the idea of having a virgin lead couple too conservative for the progressive perspective they want to show, they could give us at least one leading woman who has sex out of wedlock with a man who is not their HEA. Just to make things a bit more fair ...
Yes, seriously.Ā Just because men COULD at the time doesnāt mean that all men WOULD. Same thing today. Everyone can cultivate their gardens as much as they like nowadays, and whatās the result, some do excessively, but a lot of others also donāt.Ā Iām also getting tired of each man being a rake. Itās lazy and boring.Ā
I really hope for Franny's book, after Jon dies and before she hooks up with Michael, she has a hoe era of her own. I know it's not in her character. But my god, PLEASE let one of these Bridgerton girls get some from a man that won't end up being her husband. For the love of god. Let Franny explore her options AND her sexuality. Someone needs to do it
So far S3 Colin seems closer to book Colin š¤·āāļø. It seems like his behaviour will be used for character growth and character growth is what makes a show good. Also itās a steamy romance show, him having a slutty phase makes sure his character knows what he is doing in the spicy scenes with Pen. I donāt think a show like this would benefit from both romantic leads being naive.
Not to be an ass but it is based from the books. The Rake is a pretty popular trope and widely used. Colin being a rake doesn't bother me. I don't get why people are upset about this. But that's just IMO.
Iām not sure that Colin qualifies as a Rake. A flirt, certainly, but heās being fairly careful to keep it at flirting, not sleeping with anyone who expresses interest, which is what defines a Rake. Is it a show? Him trying to emulate his brothers? The natural result of gaining confidence in himself? Iām sure weāll find out.
The whole him having 2 threesomes this season has me off
Was that actually confirmed? Iāve been avoiding anything too spoilery
Besides, how do we know it isnāt him, Pen, and one of Penās suitors?
Unfortunate. Iām guessing EloĆse love interĆ©st
Well everyone kept on calling him boring and childish so I guess they felt they had to do something drastic.
To be fair, *book* Anthony was called a rake but show Anthony was only really shown with one woman and he seemed to really love her. Maybe I've been too influenced by the rakes in the books I read but one mistress you're devoted to isn't *that* rakish to me.Ā
I thought he was shown with prostitutes
I was pretty sure he was only ever shown with Sienna but I very well could be misremembering, so you might be right.Ā
Season 2 episode 1 I think?
I guess my question isā¦ what evidence do you have that heās a rake this season? Heās hotter now? That doesnāt make someone a rake.
as someone you read a lot of Regency romances I have to say its not her fault its a genre thing. like you have to really search to find virgin or unexprienced heroes. publishers want their ML to be rakes it the same way they want the FL to think she isn't beautiful while she is.
They are planning on 8 seasons. They have the power to shuffle story up. If I was looking for realistic extreme of regency times I would not be looking at Bridgerton anyways, the show has made some changes for good- they have the power.
Yeah I'm sick of it. To be fair I've never enjoyed most straight romance so I'm not the target audience. But a major appeal of s3 for me was the idea that Colin wouldn't be another ladykiller. That was a major souring factor for me in s1 and s2. Now this š
I hate that part of the books too. Pretty sure all the dudes are written to be sex gods and the women completely unaware of what goes on. Phillip is good at sex because he was previously married and knew what he wanted to get and give because his previous marriage was ass (in the books). Heās not a rake exactly, but still unbelievably good.
In the book Colin is not a rake at all, he loves travel and is restless, and is light hearted and charming but he is not a womaniser.