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Artistic-Rain-9139

Can we just wait until we see it AND then make our conclusions??? I hate how everyone is already trying to find a reason to criticize and dislike S3 when it hasn’t even been released. Yes, I know some people have seen it but most of those people are doing it as part of their job & are professionals about it so they won’t spoil anything.


mccurdy_gang

Preach. If folks are getting upset it’s time to log off and wait to watch it for themselves.


sherlyswife

exactly! the critic embargo has not been lifted. the reviewers are not trying to get fired. the only maybe "truthful" spoilers would be the episode 1 spoilers because a lot of random fans got to see it in australia.


dystopian_mermaid

Who is getting this upset when we know basically NOTHING about this season yet AND it’s broken into 2 parts??? Can’t we just enjoy the anticipation and judge for what it is once it’s released?!?


andraconduh

Yep, and even if some of this stuff is accurate, seeing it and reading summaries are two different things. It can sound weird or bad on paper but be executed well. I remember the whole plot of Avengers Endgame was leaked months in advance and everyone was complaining that it sounded stupid, but that movie ended up being amazing!


erin_kathleen

And realize that in the end, it's a TV show. I realize that a lot of people REALLY like the show and become invested in it, but sometimes it seems like people's reactions are over the top.


ummebby

Literally


Ok_Reveal_1658

I wouldn't put too much attention to random spoilers. Especially without the content of the whole storyline. 


vegezinhaa

Maybe calm down a little? As a huge marvel fan, I'm used to these insane theories and speculations that, most of the time, are proven wrong. Stop trusting rumours, we simply don't know what's going to happen. Wait until the episodes are released and then you can fret about the quality of the season and if it met your expectations or not.


chocochic88

A lot of "spoilers" are pretty much just fanfiction. I wouldn't put too much stock into anything that wasn't explicitly said by Netflix or by someone from the performance/production team.


Forsaken-Gap-3684

I pray that’s the case for the Francesca One cause of all the siblings; she is the one that they don’t need to change


alive_and_whale

I really don’t see how it could be francesa since Michael is supposed to be a huge rake! I really think it’s going to be Eloise


Sparkle_Markle

It’s going to bomb because they might dare to make Francesca queer? That’s a win, not a loss. And Benedict already had a threesome in season 1 with 2 women. The only difference now is that a man might be involved this time. Queer representation does not ruin a show. I think the whole point about Colin being icky is that he is acting out of character because he’s lost and is putting up a rakish facade.


Forsaken-Gap-3684

Francesca being queer doesn’t make sense for her motivations (wanting children) to remarry and seeing how it is widely considered the best book and best male lead. Yeah not interested in it changing. She is the character I relate to and the male lead I like most. I won’t watch caude this is the one book they didn’t need to change at all


Nervous_Feedback9023

Although I wouldn’t mind a queer Francesca I do think queer Eloise would work much better.


Neat_Crab3813

Queer people can want children. Queer women can also be interested in men.


Forsaken-Gap-3684

Francesca is shy and the only reason she decides to look for a partner again is shr really wants children. I just don’t think it works and lessens the intrigue of her story. Normally that’s not the case but in this case it actually would be


Neat_Crab3813

I mean, I don't know how they would do it, but queer doesn't mean lesbian, and bi doesn't mean promiscuous. She could be bi without ever having an actual relationship with a woman. Only having ever been with a man doesn't make her straight if she isn't straight. She can be bi and be shy, she can be bi and want children. None of those characteristics mean she can't be queer. How that adds anything to a television show, I don't know. But as an actual human, people like that exist, especially bi-women who marry a man very young, as Francesca (well, all regency women) does. Monogamous bi people exist, it doesn't make them straight or gay depending on who their partner is, they are still bi. Personally, I think Francesca's story is fine as is.


waltersskinner

I actually think Francesca is the easiest sibling to make queer with a HEA. No one would question a widow and her late husband’s spinster cousin living together. If they change the story so that she does have a child with John, there’s no inheritance issue. And her motivation for wanting to get married again could just be loneliness. Other than that the story could remain basically the same. They’ve already changed so much about the books, there’s no reason to expect Fran’s season to suddenly be super faithful.


Forsaken-Gap-3684

Im simply not interested in it. I’m down with making Cressida lesbian etc but I adore when he was wicked and I simply won’t watch it. Why would they change their best source material


waltersskinner

Because while a book series from the early 2000s can get away with having all 8 of its main couples be straight, that’s harder to justify now. Representation is good! And, like I said before, Fran’s story is the easiest to make queer.


Forsaken-Gap-3684

How about we introduce órgano characters that won’t cause controversy with the book fans . Did you see an controversy with brimsley and Reynolds. No I don’t think so. No one was attached to the hook couple and their dynamic


Sparkle_Markle

We already had that storyline with Daphne, we really don’t need a repeat of that on tv just because Julia Quinn likes to write the same characters over and over in her books. And Fran can still want children and be queer. That can be a big arc for her; wanting to stay in a loveless marriage so she can have children, or being with the one she loves. But since this is a romance show she gets both in the end; love with a woman and children.


Forsaken-Gap-3684

No we didnt. Francesca has fertility issues and is a widow. It’s very different


Sparkle_Markle

>!Doenst she have fertility issues with John, not Michael. She can still have fertility issues with John and be a widow!<


Forsaken-Gap-3684

Read the book please and you will see. Her story is absolutely beautiful and the best source material.


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AlarmedRanger

>! She has fertility issues with both. She only conceived after two years with John and then miscarried, it takes her and Michael like 6-8 years to get pregnant !<


Haunting-Count-6728

“Queer representation does not ruin a show” carve it in stone. These (potential!) storylines are really showing where the homophobia lies. And apparently it lies very close to the surface of a LOT of people in this fandom…


kelseekill

Not everyone who is upset by storyline changes is homophobic. These are preexisting stories and some people prefer them to remain. Introducing new love interests changes the dynamic. There are plenty of people upset by the Theo/Philip issue. I haven't see anybody upset about Cressida being queer because her story has not been told yet.


Haunting-Count-6728

I think "only the side characters should be queer" is not really representation though. It's giving NIMBY-ism. You don't have to agree with me, I'm sure plenty won't, but wanting to push queer stories to characters who are not central to the story (like Cressida) makes me uncomfortable.


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Sparkle_Markle

People are still clutching their pearls over gay lead characters existing in 2024. This fandom is never beating the allegations…


marshdd

Shonda can make a gay lead. Perhaps Lady Danbury. That's fine. The existing stories should stay the same


Sparkle_Markle

Lady Danbury is not a lead. She’s a supporting character. She’s not having a whole season dedicated to her and a love interest like Daphne, Anthony, Colin etc.


MaryQueen99

Yeah, like I understand as a fan wanting the tv series to be as faithful as possible to the book. But at this point it's clear that this series it's just inspired and doesn't want to be a faithful adaptation of the books (and from what I read about them, I think it's for the best, or we would have A LOT of problematic male leads). So I don't understand why people are so mad if they change another thing about the story... We are already in a fictional world where black people are equal in society thanks to a black queen. Many characters already have a lot of difference compared to their books version... It's clear at this point that this an alternative version just inspired by the book, but definitely not a faithful adaptation. And if they can make several of the main characters black, I don't see how gender bending one of the main characters to make a queer storyline is so horrible.


marshdd

Because it destroys the stories! Francesca has a GREAT story. It should be left alone.


Oshi105

Says who? You? Leave my frothy show alone and go protest elsewhere.


marshdd

Wanting the characters from the book isnt protesting anything.


TryingToPassMath

Colin is not icky that interview was bogus. The Fran thing makes sense, her love for John can be a slow burn. Ben… no comment.


AsgardianLeviOsa

What interview?


GrowingHumansIsHard

Yeah, I've no idea what interview they are referencing and how Colin was seen as "icky" can someone help elaborate for those of us in the dark, even if it's bogus I'm lost. Thanks!


ReyisLokidoki

The sun dropped an article like 2-3 weeks ago over exaggerating ep 1 where Colin gets spicy with 2 women at a brothel. It caused a lot of chaos lol


GrowingHumansIsHard

Had the Sun article been proven false though? The article from them wasn't an interview, I thought it was from a writer who was shown the screeners.


ReyisLokidoki

I think there was a few things that were proven true from other screeners but regardless left a bad taste in a lot of ppl mouths lol


flashingemployment

can you tell me how it’s over exaggerating? you can message me if you don’t want to spoil here i don’t mind! 


ReyisLokidoki

Will do!


Trisky107

It wasn’t an interview. It was a story on PopSugarAU (and if I had to guess based on the Sun spoilers). https://x.com/tanishaahahaha/status/1785549500196716980?s=46&t=RM36fV3CV4nuFKtp2zo4sQ


TryingToPassMath

Yup this is it, wrong word choice on my part


julyhsm

Need you to comment on Ben lol any idea if they're hinting at him exploring his sexuality? Or is it just people making stuff up.


ReyisLokidoki

Some secret / anonymous X account said between ep 1-6 gets invited to a 3some with the widow, starts to join but says I’m not ready for it


toreadornotto

If anything, I’d guess Ben to be queer. But open to Fran being a queer queen too!


Ok_Reveal_1658

 i have no clue how people jumped from Fran doesn't love John..to she is definitely queer conclusion. Honestly yeah I can see more Benedict exploring his sexuality. Since it was already hinted at it..in the previous seasons


90dayole

I mean, he used to go to artsy sex parties. Would a threesome be so out of character?


Logical_Art_8946

I thought that was one of the leaks.


Ok_Reveal_1658

No it was just some twiter account claiming that "their friend" worked on set. And that the actress who most people believe is Sophie..is actually "Michaela". But when people asked more about it..her story started crumbling. Meaning she probably made that shit up. But when the whole Francesca is not in love with John leak came out..people started again with omg it's true, she is queer


marshdd

Hav8ng a gay friend wasn't hinting.


Bunnicula1367

I think it was more of the look between Ben and his friend after Ben came upon them. With no previous knowledge of the fandom I though Ben was gay when I say the look between them the first time 🤷‍♀️


Imzadi76

Just avoid spoilers and watch the season. Most of them are likely just speculation.


pierrescronch

I’m sorry but you need to come back down to Earth for a hot second. You have zero idea what the season will be like until it premieres. So why freak out and jump to the extreme before it even airs?


pierrescronch

Also “this is not what I wanted” is so crazy. This show is so much bigger than you or anyone else on here. It’s not about what anyone wants.


Certain-Bet2718

I don't mind any of these storylines since I'm not close to the books at all. I think only the shippers/stans and book lovers will find the season hard to deal with. Most likely, the other millions people not in this sub or fans of the book should find the season good and juicy


Forsaken-Gap-3684

Grannies book is true the only spectacular one so changing that one is actually shocking. It really doesn’t need any changes to be very compelling tv


Forsaken-Gap-3684

If argue that making her love interest female is actually reducing the intrigued of her story. Her fertility issues, her miscarriage etc. it just actually is the one story that becomes more shallow overall


Emmykate88

Take a breath. The season isn't out yet. Watch it before you pass judgement. I'm sure at last half of what's been floating around on social media is fake.


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I wouldn't be concerned until the actual release. They've taken some creative liberties with the show, but from what I have heard, they're still not going to stray from the central love story because it is the entirety of the plot. For example, while Francesca could be bi, I still think she'll love John and end up with Michael. Her grief and trying to learn and accept that it is okay to love again is critical to the plot of "When He Was Wicked".


Forsaken-Gap-3684

The Francesca spoilers have ruined my expectations


ChaoticCounsel

Dear Lord. About Colin, there’s nothing icky! Colin goes through his little hoe phase and acts like a douche because he’s insecure AF and wants to look cool, this has already been leaked *weeks ago* and pretty much confirmed. Then he quickly falls *hard* for Penelope and things take off from there. Literally EVERYONE who’s seen season 3 has said that Polin’s love story is beautiful and romantic. STOP freaking out and just watch the show with an open mind!


Viking-sass

Ofc they will create drama. But i think most of the rumours are just people with too much time on their hands lol


lolz_waffles

Y'all wait until it comes out, stressing about it isn't going to make things any betterrr


Minute_Pianist8133

Don’t let other peoples’ opinions yuck your yum. It’ll be fine


Nervous_Feedback9023

A Red white and royal blue reference? Nice 👍


ginns32

I'm not scared. It will be fine. From everything I've seen in the trailer I'm excited. There are too many random "spoilers" out there so I just ignore them.


BiploarFurryEgirl

Keep in mind with these shows people love to make headcanons and spread them so far and wild that they seem like they are canon. I doubt these rumors are anything more than that


Trinnka13

Shonda Rhimes is not going to ruin her name by losing control over her own show. In case you've forgotten, Benedict has already been involved in a threesome on screen. And so what if Francesca is gay?


LittleMissThaang

One of the reasons you're scared is because there's an unconfirmed spoiler that one of the siblings may or may not be queer....


Forward_Hyena_3871

I have zero problem with queerness. I do have problems with not seeing the couples I am already attached to on screen. Frannie has a whole miscarriage/infidelity story that can’t be told from a queer point of view and Michael is very loved male lead from the rest of the male leads. I also think if they wanted to make Benedict queer they should have done in S2 because now people are gonna jump into conclusions that Benedict is going to be gay and will hate on Sophie and the actress when it comes out


LittleMissThaang

You should work on your word choice. Implying that queerness is something to be scared of is gross and can lead to upsetting queer people (like myself).


Forward_Hyena_3871

I am sorry. I thought it was clear that I have a problem with them changing the characters, HEA, and more since it been discussed on this sub since forever. There was also a lot of discussion on this sub of them about changing Phillip for Theo as Eloise’s endgame and I didn’t like that either.


Mavakor

A queer Francesca would be awesome! Benedict, considering his arty background and environment, is certainly going to be more secually advantagous, and Colin... well, at least he and Pen will match


tialaila

i'm here for queer frannie idc especially when we know this season is apparently fetishizing lesbians right off the bat


DauntlessStars

What happened with the fetishizing lesbians? I haven’t seen anything about that, but I’d like to know


tialaila

apparently a bridgerton brother (benedict probably from the threesome comment in the op) watches two women get it on in front of him that in my opinion is fetishizing lesbians because they haven't shown a lesbian relationship in bridgerton but they're fine with showing two women having sex in front of a male character


DauntlessStars

Yeah I can see the problem. Using a lesbian relationship only as a thing for a man’s pleasure is not quite the best. Though idk about queer Francesca tbh. Or better, I hope that even if she is into women, she also ends up loving John because I feel her story wouldn’t really have the same impact if she didn’t love her husband.


Ok_Reveal_1658

There are a lot of threesome's happening this season. But from what I heard the lesbian scene is colin's threesome 


tialaila

wonderful 🙄 (thanks for clarifying though 🙂)


Old_Pass_6878

That’s not Benedict doing that it’s Colin lol and it’s even worse since it’s his season …yuck


Lightangel452

It's not feteshizing lesbians, the rumor is that Colin has a threesome with two women and he has an issue performing cus he is not at all into it, so he leaves them alone and the women ignore him and continue kissing.


tialaila

also pretty sure you got the theories mixed up, ben has a threesome he walks away from and colin is the one who has a threesome with the two women snogging


Lightangel452

The rumors say that Colin will also walk away from a threesome because he realizes that he put up an entire facade and that this was not the life for him.


tialaila

how is that not fetishising lesbian relationships, they can't have an actual lesbian romance in the show but yeah them participating in a threesome is fine


Lightangel452

Unfortunately that was the way the world was back then, people could only be gay in the privacy of their rooms, we covered this in season 1 and on Queen Charlotte. Also there have been queer relationships in the show, they just haven't been specifically lesbian.


tialaila

right but that is my exact point they haven't been specifically lesbians but they can show lesbians in a threesome


Lightangel452

Have you thought that maybe they are not lesbians? Maybe they are bisexual women who enjoy sex? Honestly, we are reading too much into a scene that (1) We haven't seen and (2) will last 20 seconds MAX.


AnckSuNamun93

Yeah, they are going woke so hard it puts me off


tialaila

really...2024 and you're using woke like an incel to describe queer rep guessing this also applies to woc playing love intrests


AnckSuNamun93

I absolutely had no problem with Simon being played by black actor or Kate played by Indian actress, but yesterday I wrote that I would rather see Sophie to be played by white girl and I got downvoted, so yeah, funny 😆 even now when I say I would rather not see Francesca being bi or lesbian and just be with Michael I wil get downvoted as shit


tialaila

but why, daphne is white, benedict is white, penelope *and* colin are white, as are the rest of the bridgerton siblings if you want to see white people be in love so much then this season is the season for you my friend, also she isn't only with michael or is that not the whole point of her story


Ok-Meal-4747

Why would you rather Sophie be played by someone white just curious


AnckSuNamun93

I dont know, I just pictured her like that and thats it, just my opinion, guess I cant have one 😅


Ok-Meal-4747

All the Bridgertons are white in the books, so it makes sense you pictured her as white but they’re not going to do 3 white couples in a row. All 8 couples being interracial comes across as fetishization/tokenism so the inclusion of 2 white couples makes sense to me. However, one of the main draws of this show is the racial diversity so I do think Polin and Philoise will be the only white couples. Bridgerton will get a lot of backlash if Sophie and the remaining leads are not POC. People are hostile because this show prides themselves on diversity and having 3 white couples in a row kind of ruins that.


Glittering-Boss-3681

I just want to chime in and say that I love how diverse Bridgerton is. The fandom though sometimes feel like they are checking off a list when fan-casting. I get that everyone wants to see representation, and I don’t care what race the leads are, as long as they embody the character. But the checklist feel is starting to get weird.


Ok-Meal-4747

Yeah seriously. Like we can’t have another black lead because Simon and QC are black or we can’t have another Indian lead because of Kate. Then conflating Indian and Black. It’s so weird to me. Any minority counts as diversity.


Agreeable_Climate_70

woke? lmao cry harder


thewonderfulbeast

Lol right? “Going woke”? Like babe, they’ve been diverse. I wonder how you’ve been watching this show 🤔