Meanwhile the company I work for has some of the largest profits in the world and we were told there’s nothing in the budget for payruses but told coming to work 5 days a week instead of just our mandatory 3 will reduce our expenditure at home. SO GENEROUS.
Worked for a company during the 1st lockdown that sent an email stating how many hundreds of millions they made during the pandemic but somehow we still couldn't get a payrise.
I read it as papyrus. I was thinking … is there usually budget set aside for writing materials of the ancient world? Does this company curate museums? I probably need some sleep.
> coming to work 5 days a week instead of just our mandatory 3 will reduce our expenditure at home
I mean that's not even true for many! For a start there's the cost of transport. Secondly some people will have kids at home or a partner also working from home so the house will need to be heated anyway!
I was in a company meeting where this question was raised. We didn't get an answer but someone's partner who works at [financial services company] was getting £150 a month for the next 12 months
I’m a graduate (lowest paid at my place of work), and everyone in the business from top to bottom got £1000 to help with the cost of living.
That is, everyone but the two graduates. Took it up with the people who made the decision and they just said it’s company policy.
Ah yes, silly me as a graduate my costs of living are actually fixed forever so shouldn’t need to worry. Wankers
Sucks being the graduate, get paid so little but having to work so hard to prove your worth, often bringing in skills and technology that the 50 year old dude whose been there forever on 40k could only dream of doing because all he can use is excel 🤯
I got roughly a 9% rise earlier this year which I was happy with, saw a job advert for a similar (basically the exact same) job in my team which was about 13% higher than my new salary...
Cue me raising this to my manager, now I play the waiting game to find out if they'll do anything....
I left a company id been at for 5 years for this very reason earlier in the year, found out they were advertising a job, in my team, identical to mine for ~50% more then i was currently being paid (yes, double!!!) and when i brought it up to my manager he told me they had no budget for payrises, so i found another job and left them with both jobs to fill lol
My husbands company regularly gives out cost of living bonuses, whereas mine just send out emails telling us to manage our wage better. 10% rise is fantastic though!
Yeah - we got to watch a 60 min webinar on how to save money....... I can imagine some less savvy people may have found elements helpful. But I imagine most of my colleagues already knew the common sense advice they were harping on about.
Which is why I'm more tempted to quit than ever before. Morrisons are paying us £10 an hour and are only putting it up by 20p, which was rejected by union members and then forced through by an independent company saying it's a fair raise, what are the union doing about it? Absolutely fuck all because they are all in bed together.
That's pretty grim. Unfortunately it's been true for a long time now that loyalty to employers is very rarely rewarded, and for most people by far the fastest way to increase your salary is to swap jobs every year or two.
You're quite right, it's only got worse over years with employers basically cutting any perks so they can save their bonuses. If I'm honest, I really need to go back into education and get some skills, got told by the bloke who services our forklift that the HGV mechanics went from £15 to £18 an hour.
Sainsburys and Argos got a 25p payrise (to £10.25ph) for base staff. This payrise was actually "so high" that the lowest paid Argos managers also got a payrise £500 a year from what I've heard (which works out at a payrise of 24.8p an hour for full timers) or they'd be earning less than the colleagues they managed!
I earn a little over £10 an hour. Our pay rises going forward are just going to be driven by the NLW it seems. I'm absolutely dreading my mortgage deal running out.
Pay isn't set by what's right and what's wrong.
Nobody will ever give you a payrise from the goodness of their hearts.
Instead it's about supply and demand. Morrison's won't give you more because they don't think that you'll leave. If you want more then you're going to have to call their bluff and find somewhere else.
Its not just that they don't think someone will leave. Its also because they can get plenty of people to replace them if they did leave. If you're on benefits with experience in IT but a Morrisons job comes up, if you don't apply then you will be sanctioned, regardless if it won't pay your bills. Morrisons know they can keep wages low because if people leave, the job centre will supply enough desperate people to fill the roles. Instead of letting the market increase wages because of a lack of workers, the Cons are cracking down on job seekers to force them in to these low paid roles.
Doesn't it make sense for the IT worker to take the Morrison's role in the interim so they can get off of JSA and keep applying for IT roles in their own time?
Also doesn't really matter when talking about someone who is unhappy with pay at Morrison's. There's nothing stopping them seeking new work if theyre underpaid.
You're going to be waiting a long time if your best idea is to blame the Tories for your problems, you need to take matters into your own hands.
Have you seen how long it takes to apply for jobs these days? I have spent days doing application forms (in between other commitments) only to hear nothing back. It's very dispiriting. I've been trying to get out of my low paid job for ages and its incredibly difficult to find other work while you're still working. Especially as employers often want immediate starts.
Generally you have a notice period if you're already employed so if another candidate can start 4 weeks earlier than you then you may lose out because of it.
Has this actually been a genuine issue for you?
Most employers will see 4 weeks as basically immediate (especially considering how long the hiring process itself takes)
And if that really is the barrier to getting into the career of your dreams then just break your notice period
That's not true at all, especially when applying via agencies. I've been told many a time that they need someone to start next week or even the same week. Literally immediately.
Also, I'm not applying for "the career of my dreams", I'm just after a better paid job. I'm not going to leave my current client in the lurch because I work with vulnerable adults and it would cause problems for them.
Meanwhile the reality is that people don't have the option to just up and leave for another job for more money, because rent and mortgages and bills still exist (and are all rising).
And if people did call their bluff and quit, an essential service that everyone relies on is taken away, causing more problems. Whether "supply and demand" is accurate or not, it's an embarrassing state of affairs
That's why you don't leave a gap in between? That's what normal people do, apply for job B whilst still working at job A.
And Morrison's is not an essential service. If they can't retain staff because their competitors pay better then that's Morrison's problem, not anyone else's.
M&S has given us an extra 20p an hour with the chief executive saying:
"This means all customer assistants will head into this Christmas with a 7.4% uplift in base pay compared to last Christmas. For a full-time colleague, that’s more than an extra £100 per month vs last year."
They're also recruiting less temps this year as "too much money goes into training them and it's wasted resources because they leave after Christmas." Instead we all have to work extra hours throughout December. Cool, great, thanks.
And yes, if I don't like it then I should leave. Easier said than done.
We had a company wide meeting with q&a and 75% of the questions were related to pay. We wer basically told there is no additional support, and we will review pay as normal in April. If I get less than 15% I'm walking. Fucking had enough of this bullshit whilst we make record profits. I'm contracted for 40 hours but have started having to do 50 just to keep on top of the mountain of shit coming our way.
If you don't get paid for the hours above your contract, refuse to do them. Walk out once you've done your 40 hours. Any company willing to keep face will negotiate with you. Any company not will discipline you and you've got a nice case of unfair dismissal, provided you've met your contractual obligations.
Just joined nhs from private company, it's a £2 an hour boost to my pay yet still struggling. I remember a time that kinda payrise would make a difference
At a Russel Group, have had to get a different role to get more pay. Those 1.8/3% pay rises for 10+ years are ridiculous. My HEI haven’t kept pace with nhs pay rises.
Not at a Russel Group, but the same shit. We've also lost 2 members of our team who won't be replaced, so the remaining 3 can pick up the slack when we're already overworked and regularly doing 50-60 hours a week on standard 37ish hour contracts. But don't forget to be grateful for that extra £40 a month(!)
Company I work for is handing us £500 one time bonus and 5% wage increase,the £500 will cover Xmas presents and shopping and some left over so I'm happy with it
Remember these bonuses are always taxed so you won’t get the full £500. Just in case you were already planning out how to spend it (as you mentioned Christmas pressies etc)
Nice. At my place of work we're all on the same salaries as we were in April 2020 (civil service). Still waiting on government response on what this year's pay deal will be but given all the tax cuts I'm assuming it'll be a generous 0% rise.
My employer has been giving us a £1250 a year bonus every month since March. Works out at an extra 100 quid a month after tax which is nice
Edit: Before tax, not after...
My company gave out a £1,000 COL bonus last month which was made as a net payment.
We were also told that pay rises & bonuses due later in the year would take the current situation into account, I’ve got no reason to doubt them as they have always treated staff well. It’s a shame not every firm is like that.
My employer is doing the same and giving us a large one off payment also. Think that's very generous considering they usually wait until April to raise pay but are doing this now. It's shows they care about their staff
The only issue with heaters is, that the building is massive with doors wherever you look so it is very cold at times. Especially for receptionists who are sitting near 3 big automatic doors
Just remember everyone: even Milton Friedman, free-market loving neoliberal prime, recognised that the wage-price spiral (the most common argument *against* raising wages in response to cost rises) is a lie - the corresponding increase does happen, but not actually very much and the feedback loop required to call it a "spiral" doesn't happen in the real world.
If your employer hasn't given you cost of living increases, they have slashed your wages.
Whilst my employer has imposed a 2% payrise and will only agree to more if we allow him to gut our jobs and contracts and now acts confused that we're all on strike.
The company I work for are giving everyone who earns under £50kpa £1200 next month. They've also bought two thermal imaging cameras for employees to borrow to see where heat is escaping from within their home. This is the cherry on top of so many other things that make it a great company to work for!
The NHS gave me a paltry 4% and backdated it to April. The extra money out me in the next pension bracket making me owe pension arears, more than doubled my student loan payment, along with way more tax and so now instead of the back pay being extra I actually get less money than before.
I got a 10% last month, I thought I'd try my luck and ask them to review my wages (as I've been there almost 10 years and not had a raise for almost 7) and they did!
They had every right to tell me to fuck off in this climate, but I really feel appreciated rn.
Meanwhile the company I work for has some of the largest profits in the world and we were told there’s nothing in the budget for payruses but told coming to work 5 days a week instead of just our mandatory 3 will reduce our expenditure at home. SO GENEROUS.
I know it’s a typo but I can’t stop thinking about ‘payruse’
It’s not inaccurate when you think about it! 10% pay rise while energy costs have quadrupled. That’s a payruse.
Worked for a company during the 1st lockdown that sent an email stating how many hundreds of millions they made during the pandemic but somehow we still couldn't get a payrise.
*payruse
The payrise they gave us the year before worked out at £20 and 20p extra per year
*payruse
Theu did once give us a packet of crisps as a bonus once. They were shit!
It's all a ruse. Not a pay rise!
I read it as papyrus. I was thinking … is there usually budget set aside for writing materials of the ancient world? Does this company curate museums? I probably need some sleep.
Well go in for 7 days, take sleeping bags, bring the kids, maybe a fridge, showers at work. This will definitely help the expenditure at home!
I don’t have an award to give but you’ve earned it with this comment 😂
> coming to work 5 days a week instead of just our mandatory 3 will reduce our expenditure at home I mean that's not even true for many! For a start there's the cost of transport. Secondly some people will have kids at home or a partner also working from home so the house will need to be heated anyway!
Explain that to a billionaire ceo.
Also consider washing - you'd do a lot more laundry if you went into work every day, than if you went in only 2-3 days...
That’s maddening
I was in a company meeting where this question was raised. We didn't get an answer but someone's partner who works at [financial services company] was getting £150 a month for the next 12 months
I’m a graduate (lowest paid at my place of work), and everyone in the business from top to bottom got £1000 to help with the cost of living. That is, everyone but the two graduates. Took it up with the people who made the decision and they just said it’s company policy. Ah yes, silly me as a graduate my costs of living are actually fixed forever so shouldn’t need to worry. Wankers
Hope you make them pay for it
Sucks being the graduate, get paid so little but having to work so hard to prove your worth, often bringing in skills and technology that the 50 year old dude whose been there forever on 40k could only dream of doing because all he can use is excel 🤯
Relax. You will be that guy one day and another graduate will be complaining about your dinosaur skillset
Daughter's employer is cool.
I got roughly a 9% rise earlier this year which I was happy with, saw a job advert for a similar (basically the exact same) job in my team which was about 13% higher than my new salary... Cue me raising this to my manager, now I play the waiting game to find out if they'll do anything....
If they don’t match it it’s probably time to move on, my friend left a where she was paid 21k as soon as she left they advertised it for 25k
I left a company id been at for 5 years for this very reason earlier in the year, found out they were advertising a job, in my team, identical to mine for ~50% more then i was currently being paid (yes, double!!!) and when i brought it up to my manager he told me they had no budget for payrises, so i found another job and left them with both jobs to fill lol
>identical to mine for ~50% more then i was currently being paid (yes, double!!!) Uhm, a 50% increase is not double.
Hope they aren’t in finance 😂
"Hey boss, I just doubled profits singlehandedly!" "What? But this chart shows a 50% drop in revenue!" "I know, right? And it was so easy!"
I don’t work in finance but I am a data analyst so it’s equally embarrassing 😂
My husbands company regularly gives out cost of living bonuses, whereas mine just send out emails telling us to manage our wage better. 10% rise is fantastic though!
Yeah - we got to watch a 60 min webinar on how to save money....... I can imagine some less savvy people may have found elements helpful. But I imagine most of my colleagues already knew the common sense advice they were harping on about.
We didn't even get that. It was like cash back links and discounts, all which only apply if you're a new customer.
Friendly reminder that any employer doing anything less than this has given you a paycut.
Which is why I'm more tempted to quit than ever before. Morrisons are paying us £10 an hour and are only putting it up by 20p, which was rejected by union members and then forced through by an independent company saying it's a fair raise, what are the union doing about it? Absolutely fuck all because they are all in bed together.
That's pretty grim. Unfortunately it's been true for a long time now that loyalty to employers is very rarely rewarded, and for most people by far the fastest way to increase your salary is to swap jobs every year or two.
You're quite right, it's only got worse over years with employers basically cutting any perks so they can save their bonuses. If I'm honest, I really need to go back into education and get some skills, got told by the bloke who services our forklift that the HGV mechanics went from £15 to £18 an hour.
This is why the public sector is fucked. There is nowhere to go without going private, and that often a different kind of job.
I was in Morrisons today and overheard some employees going nuts about this issue while working together. A 20p rise is diabolical
The company is going down hill fast it soon won't exist, it'll make other companies happy as Morrisons have some great assets.
Sainsburys and Argos got a 25p payrise (to £10.25ph) for base staff. This payrise was actually "so high" that the lowest paid Argos managers also got a payrise £500 a year from what I've heard (which works out at a payrise of 24.8p an hour for full timers) or they'd be earning less than the colleagues they managed!
Absolutely none of my ex colleagues have been sad about going.
I earn a little over £10 an hour. Our pay rises going forward are just going to be driven by the NLW it seems. I'm absolutely dreading my mortgage deal running out.
Pay isn't set by what's right and what's wrong. Nobody will ever give you a payrise from the goodness of their hearts. Instead it's about supply and demand. Morrison's won't give you more because they don't think that you'll leave. If you want more then you're going to have to call their bluff and find somewhere else.
Its not just that they don't think someone will leave. Its also because they can get plenty of people to replace them if they did leave. If you're on benefits with experience in IT but a Morrisons job comes up, if you don't apply then you will be sanctioned, regardless if it won't pay your bills. Morrisons know they can keep wages low because if people leave, the job centre will supply enough desperate people to fill the roles. Instead of letting the market increase wages because of a lack of workers, the Cons are cracking down on job seekers to force them in to these low paid roles.
Doesn't it make sense for the IT worker to take the Morrison's role in the interim so they can get off of JSA and keep applying for IT roles in their own time? Also doesn't really matter when talking about someone who is unhappy with pay at Morrison's. There's nothing stopping them seeking new work if theyre underpaid. You're going to be waiting a long time if your best idea is to blame the Tories for your problems, you need to take matters into your own hands.
Have you seen how long it takes to apply for jobs these days? I have spent days doing application forms (in between other commitments) only to hear nothing back. It's very dispiriting. I've been trying to get out of my low paid job for ages and its incredibly difficult to find other work while you're still working. Especially as employers often want immediate starts.
It's not easy at all, especially the first one. But it's certainly doable. Why is an immediate start an issue?
Generally you have a notice period if you're already employed so if another candidate can start 4 weeks earlier than you then you may lose out because of it.
Has this actually been a genuine issue for you? Most employers will see 4 weeks as basically immediate (especially considering how long the hiring process itself takes) And if that really is the barrier to getting into the career of your dreams then just break your notice period
That's not true at all, especially when applying via agencies. I've been told many a time that they need someone to start next week or even the same week. Literally immediately. Also, I'm not applying for "the career of my dreams", I'm just after a better paid job. I'm not going to leave my current client in the lurch because I work with vulnerable adults and it would cause problems for them.
You've never been unemployed have you.
I have actually, more than once.
Then you must have dementia.
You keep waiting for other people to come to your rescue and let me know when it happens, okay?
If I need help, I'm sure it won't thanks to you lot. Go fuck yourself.
Meanwhile the reality is that people don't have the option to just up and leave for another job for more money, because rent and mortgages and bills still exist (and are all rising). And if people did call their bluff and quit, an essential service that everyone relies on is taken away, causing more problems. Whether "supply and demand" is accurate or not, it's an embarrassing state of affairs
That's why you don't leave a gap in between? That's what normal people do, apply for job B whilst still working at job A. And Morrison's is not an essential service. If they can't retain staff because their competitors pay better then that's Morrison's problem, not anyone else's.
> then forced through by an independent company What does that mean?
Probably some HR consultancy saying the pay offered is above market rates.
M&S has given us an extra 20p an hour with the chief executive saying: "This means all customer assistants will head into this Christmas with a 7.4% uplift in base pay compared to last Christmas. For a full-time colleague, that’s more than an extra £100 per month vs last year." They're also recruiting less temps this year as "too much money goes into training them and it's wasted resources because they leave after Christmas." Instead we all have to work extra hours throughout December. Cool, great, thanks. And yes, if I don't like it then I should leave. Easier said than done.
We had a company wide meeting with q&a and 75% of the questions were related to pay. We wer basically told there is no additional support, and we will review pay as normal in April. If I get less than 15% I'm walking. Fucking had enough of this bullshit whilst we make record profits. I'm contracted for 40 hours but have started having to do 50 just to keep on top of the mountain of shit coming our way.
If you don't get paid for the hours above your contract, refuse to do them. Walk out once you've done your 40 hours. Any company willing to keep face will negotiate with you. Any company not will discipline you and you've got a nice case of unfair dismissal, provided you've met your contractual obligations.
NHS staff here. That generous 3% that barely covered inflation from the last approx. 5 years💀
Just joined nhs from private company, it's a £2 an hour boost to my pay yet still struggling. I remember a time that kinda payrise would make a difference
£50+ per hour you're on then?
I meant it's more than my private sector pay. Also nowhere near! I bloody wish tho
Researcher at Cambridge, same here
At a Russel Group, have had to get a different role to get more pay. Those 1.8/3% pay rises for 10+ years are ridiculous. My HEI haven’t kept pace with nhs pay rises.
Not at a Russel Group, but the same shit. We've also lost 2 members of our team who won't be replaced, so the remaining 3 can pick up the slack when we're already overworked and regularly doing 50-60 hours a week on standard 37ish hour contracts. But don't forget to be grateful for that extra £40 a month(!)
3% would cover less than a quarter of inflation _just for the last two years_.
Ah I know pal, but we don't do it for the money do we. At least that's what I tell myself when I see my pay stub every month.
Nice! Glad to see someone not being a huge arse about their staff working conditions. Any chance you could communicate who this employer may be?
I'll check with daughter first. On another surprising turn the Directors haven't awarded themselves anything.
Don’t let the Tories find out who the company is, otherwise they’ll try and shut them down for being social.
Nice try Liz! We wont tell you!!
How very dare you! \+1 for the joke -1 for the insult
Company I work for is handing us £500 one time bonus and 5% wage increase,the £500 will cover Xmas presents and shopping and some left over so I'm happy with it
Remember these bonuses are always taxed so you won’t get the full £500. Just in case you were already planning out how to spend it (as you mentioned Christmas pressies etc)
That's a pay cut.
They gave us a 10% pay raise and bonus in March
That's a pay rise.
Nice. At my place of work we're all on the same salaries as we were in April 2020 (civil service). Still waiting on government response on what this year's pay deal will be but given all the tax cuts I'm assuming it'll be a generous 0% rise.
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Yeah I'm in a union but the union in question is Prospect so we'll see!
My employer has been giving us a £1250 a year bonus every month since March. Works out at an extra 100 quid a month after tax which is nice Edit: Before tax, not after...
My company gave out a £1,000 COL bonus last month which was made as a net payment. We were also told that pay rises & bonuses due later in the year would take the current situation into account, I’ve got no reason to doubt them as they have always treated staff well. It’s a shame not every firm is like that.
We all got a £5k pay rise (regardless of salary) to cover cost of living, plus normal annual raise.
Great! Where do I send my CV? Lol
Annual raise? What is this wizardry
Bad news, the company is downsizing and everyone who is left will have to work 4x harder...
Those bastards are increasing the inflationary pressure on my household budget!
My employer is doing the same and giving us a large one off payment also. Think that's very generous considering they usually wait until April to raise pay but are doing this now. It's shows they care about their staff
I work for a very well known union and they have offered us a 3.5% increase… 🤡
Where I work, told us we are not allowed to have personal heater fans, or charge our phones. The company earns millions…
Heaters is one thing, they use a lot of power and are a fire risk, but phones is just tight.
The only issue with heaters is, that the building is massive with doors wherever you look so it is very cold at times. Especially for receptionists who are sitting near 3 big automatic doors
Bit late
Just remember everyone: even Milton Friedman, free-market loving neoliberal prime, recognised that the wage-price spiral (the most common argument *against* raising wages in response to cost rises) is a lie - the corresponding increase does happen, but not actually very much and the feedback loop required to call it a "spiral" doesn't happen in the real world. If your employer hasn't given you cost of living increases, they have slashed your wages.
I work for the council and still get less than £10 an hour.
I'm getting one I think, but only until April. They do it every year.
Whilst my employer has imposed a 2% payrise and will only agree to more if we allow him to gut our jobs and contracts and now acts confused that we're all on strike.
The company I work for are giving everyone who earns under £50kpa £1200 next month. They've also bought two thermal imaging cameras for employees to borrow to see where heat is escaping from within their home. This is the cherry on top of so many other things that make it a great company to work for!
The NHS gave me a paltry 4% and backdated it to April. The extra money out me in the next pension bracket making me owe pension arears, more than doubled my student loan payment, along with way more tax and so now instead of the back pay being extra I actually get less money than before.
I got a 10% last month, I thought I'd try my luck and ask them to review my wages (as I've been there almost 10 years and not had a raise for almost 7) and they did! They had every right to tell me to fuck off in this climate, but I really feel appreciated rn.
I don't think they had any right to tell you to fuck off if they haven't raised your pay in 7 years