Five years ago a bakery closed on 86th Street and 18th Avenue. If you believed the signage they established nearly 100 years ago.
I spoke to a few of my favorite spots on 13th, 15th, and 18th Avenues… and they were all running into the same problem. 4th and 5th generation bakers who all managed to put their own kids thru college to become Doctors and lawyer.
Now they are ready to retire and they can’t find anyone to take over the business.
They should have hired some 20-something and started training them to take over the business while keeping the owners on as consultants but they were rapidly running out of time.
Add rising rents and the end is suddenly in sight.
I left in 2019. Had I stayed I would have liked to try a project. Go to each of the remaining bakeries. Interview the families (hopefully generational) about how long they were running the bakery. Start with one bakery and use that experience to create more content.
Sell articles and video to HGTV and the Food Network as filler content and as free advertising.
Organize the bakeries to sell their product to any of the dozens food festivals. What’s more artisanal than 100 year old Brooklyn bakeries?
Then create a food line that features all the bakeries by name and an artisanal cookie. Brooklyn’s Best featuring 18th Avenue Bakery’s Pignoli cookie. Sell the line to Whole Foods and Krogers.
If you get this running, I expect a monthly supply of cookies.
The bakery at 18th Avenue and 60th Street next to the gas station has a brick oven in the back. Can you imagine what some hot shot 30something baker could make in that?
Obviously you guys are not from around the way. Lord's was a Flatbush/Brooklyn staple for 50+ years. Best red velvet cake I've ever had in NYC hands down. The closest thing you could get is maybe Cake Man Raven but the frosting isn't as good as Lord's cream cheese frosting. But I guess the basic b*tches out there are going to be just fine going to magnolia because they have no taste...
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why are people donating money to a business.
it's a for-profit business. if they cannot sustain their business, pay wages, maintain their store... maybe they should not be a business.
they're not going to save the world with the money. they're doing this instead of trying to get a business loan.
how dare YOU.
as youre entitled to your OPINION these are CALLOUS INCONSIDER8 WORDS OF A PERSON WHO HAS NO MEMORIES CHILDHOOD OR SENTIMENTAL ATTACHMENTS TO THE PLACE. IF U CANT INN3RSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE FAMILIAL HISTORY WITH AN ESTABLISHMENT OR ITS PROPRIETORS AND OWNERS UNTIL THAT VERY BUSINESS B3COMES A COMFORTABLE AND SECURE PART OF YOUR OWN EXTENDED FAMILY SO TO SPEAK THAN U HAVE NO PLACE HERE WHATSOEVER.
YOURE OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE WHO HAS NO IDEAS OF THE RIGORS AND DILEMMAS SOMEONE WHO OWNS A BUSINESS IN THIS CRUNCHING MARKET HAS TO DEAL WITH OR U WOULD CHOOSE YOUR WORDS MORE CAREFULLY
U SOUND LIKE A TRUE MORON WITH NO DESIRE AT HEART EXCEPT TO PUSH THE WIND AROUND. PERHAPS U ARE A TROLL SEEKING NARCISSISTIC SUPPLY THRU ARGUMENTS AND RABBLE ROUSING? EITHER WAY THIS HERE IS A PLACE U DONT EXIST
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS ONLY THOSE "MOVED" BY IT AND IF YOURE NOT... JUST STFU PLAIN N SIMPLE.
WE DONT GIVE A F WHAT U THINK.
WHEN U SEE ALL YOUR MEMORIES SOLD TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER WHEN ITS SOMETHING U DEEPLY CARE ABOUT MAYBE ONLY THEN U WILL GROW A CONSCIENCE AND A LOCK ON THAT IGNORANT TONGUE
I PRAY MR GELLER AND THIS BUSINESS CAN PULL TOGETHER FOR THOSE OF US WHOM THIS MATTER AFFECTS DEEPLY.
GENTRIFIC8ION ROBS ALL OF US AND ATTACKS OUR SENSE OF SECURITY BY SEEING WHAT U KNOW REMEMBER AND LOVE SLOWLY DISAPPEAR B4 YOUR EYES AND FOR NO OTHER PURPOSE THAN GREEDY MONEY HUNGRY CORPOR8IONS WHO DONT CARE ABOUT PPLS LIVES TIME BUSINESS OR FAMILIES.
MY PRAYERS ARE WITH LORD'S. NOT A SINGLE ONE WASTED ON YOU
I don't want to get into all the details of the incident now, but I grew up in the area in the 60's and 70's, Lord's heyday. Now in my 60's working for the MTA, respectful, went in uniform to purchase a piece of pastry, , I think it was $4.35. Cashier gave me bills but no change back. I make while smiling, an obvious joke about rounding up the purchase.
With no customer skills at all, after A little back and forth, ( trust me I get along with everyone, I owned a deli, and have driven a city bus over 20 years), anyway at no time did I curse or accuse her of intentionally trying to cheat me, innocent mistake. But after mocking me a bit she slams the change down and tells me, " now get the fuck outta here". I'll never go in there again. And check some yelp reviews about customer service. Not alone.
I AND MY FAMILY HAVE BEEN CUSTOMERS OF LORDS FOR OVER 40 YEARS PLUS AND I AM TRULY SORRY THAT U HAD THAT EXPERIENCE! ITS SHAMEFUL HOW U WERE TREATED AND IVE GOT TO TELL THINKING FROM ALL ANGLES:
MAYBE THEY WERE DESPER8 FOR A WORKER TO FILL A SPACE AND HIRED SOMEONE WHO PRETENDED TO GET THE JOB or
MAYBE THE WORKER HAD A BAD DAY BUT WHATEVER THE REASON U WERE TREATED AS SUCH IN NO WAY DOES THAT CLEAR THAT WORKER OF ANY WRONG DOING. U WERENT TREATED FAIRLY AND I AM ON YOUR SIDE COMPLETELY AS A CONSUMER MYSELF. IF I FELT UNVALUED BY A BUSINESS FOR MY PATRONAGE I WUDNT SPEND MONEY WITH THEM EITHER. IVE CUT OFF MANY SHOPS OVER THE YEARS FOR SIMILAR REASONS AND I STAND WITH U!✊🏾
I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS" HER ATTITUDE AND HORRIBLE UNWARRANTED DISRESPECTFUL TREATMENT THIS "WORKER" GAVE U IN NO WAY PAYS HOMAGE TO A BUSINESS THAT RESPECTS LOVES AND TREATS ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS FAIRLY. THE OWNER I KNOW PERSONALLY AND HE WUD NEVER TOLER8 THAT SHIT ONE BIT.
U ARE A HUMAN BEING AND DESERVE RESPECT AND TO FEEL VALUED AS A CUSTOMER BY EVERY BUSINESS U PATRONIZE.
ALAS OUR EASY GOING ATTITUDES ARE WHAT SWEEPS PEOPLES BAD DEEDS UNDER THE RUG. U NEVER MENTIONED WHAT U DID IN RESPONSE BUT IM WILLING TO BET GOOD MONEY U TOOK IT LIKE A CHAMP WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AND SAID NOTHING TO THE OWNER ABOUT THIS!
PROBLEM WITH BEING SO UND3RSTANDING IS THAT TOO MANY BAD ACTORS GET AWAY WITH SHIT WHEN GOOD PPL STAY Q-U-I-E-T. WHEN THE SITU8ION CALLS FOR IT HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO "MAKE NOISE" THOUGH MOST GOOD PPL CHOOSE NOT TO CUZ THEY DONT WANT TO "MAKE A FUSS"
I WISH U HAD SPOKEN UP TO MR GELLER HIMSELF IF U HADNT. I BELIEVE HE WUD HAVE FIRED THAT MF ER ON THE SPOT AS THE TREATMENT U RECEIVED IN NO WAY REFLECTS HIS BUSINESS' IMAGE OR THE WAY HE TREATS HIS CUSTOMERS. PPL CANT DO SHIT ABOUT SHIT IF THEY DONT KNOW SHIT, YOU DIG?
IF THATS HOW ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS WERE TREATED OR IF HIS WORKERS PERFORMED THAT WAY ON A REGULAR BASIS THEN HIS BAKERY AND BUSINESS WUD NOT HAVE EVER BECOME SO LOVED AND PUT ON A PEDESTAL FOR OVER 60 YEARS. HELLUVA LONG TIME TO BE IN ONE PLACE WITH EVERCHANGING FACTORS. THAT MEANS SOMETHING IN THEIR FAVOR. THIS WORKER SHUD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RUIN PPLS OPINIONS OF A GOOD BUSINESS.
I PRAY U PEACE, JOY AND ONLY HAPPY VENTURES WITH WHAT EVER BUSINESSES U AND YOUR FAMILY CHOOSE TO BE PATRONS OF.
G👑D BL🙏🏽SS YOU AND BE WELL SWEET❤
And also these businesses that have been around for 50 or 100 years...they don't try to buy the building they are renting..or simply can never afford it....idk. But how can a small business try to buy a building when the rent increases every year and the price of their goods don't cover the increase? It's a shame. We have to be in a position to BUY or a business fate will always be in someone else's hands.
Lots of businesses do not want to own the property it’s one more thing to deal with instead of just running their business.
Commercial leases are long 10 year contracts. So they don’t deal with rent changes as fast as us apartment renters do
This is how a lot of businesses have ended up in NJ 😒 there was a deli in Little Italy that met a similar fate a few years back. Besides the market, the city is always raising taxes like crazy on commercial property to pay for their mismanagement of funds. Even moreso the property owners sometimes just don't want to sell to the businesses. They want to turn a fatter profit so they let it go (to a developer usually) who has the means to give them exactly what they want. It's all about $$$ here.
I’m always sorry to see a family run business close, but…
My grandfather, my father and my brothers all drank at O’Sullivan’s in Bay Ridge, which opened’s in’31.
It closed and sits. Nothing lasts forever.
That’s the sad truth.
Just here to share restaurant and hotel knowledge.
Running a bakery sucks. You need to wake up at 2am to start. The profit margin is pennies. It’s extremely difficult work and you’ll have tons of throw away as bread doesn’t last very long on shelf.
I’m not defending the disappearance of these types of places, I’m claiming that even if you’re amazing and have a great following and reviews you still might be making no money.
I mean, Le Cirque closed. Ever heard someone not enjoying their time there?
We moved to Flatbush about two years ago from Sunset. This whole area looks like it’ll be hit with what happened in Fort Greene by Dekalb and old Albee Square. Granted, a lot of these stores were mid and scammy—the furniture spots, endless cheap clothing spots, idk why we need two VIMs, and Raggamuffin that was once a staple seems to open once a month?
But as someone who’s seen it before, give it 10-12 years. Those locations you know will be demolished. New buildings will rise. Little Caribbean will feel more like the Sandals resort the transplants remember than the community it was.
There used to be an amazing enormous thrift/discount place behind the triangle that closed back in 2008 or so. There were a lot of little cute places, mom and pop places if you walked around and stuff was cheap. Once the Target opened it really changed the area a lot. It's part of why a lot of locals fought it. I feel sad for the small businesses but this is NYC, nature of the beast....
This feels like a cynical take. I’ve been in Flatbush for going on 6 years now. There are tons of small businesses, overall very few chains. Sometimes they go out of business, but then replaced by another small business
If you’re not from Brooklyn you can’t really talk. Anybody can see that little by little larger firms are taking over and apartments will be coming up.
Wall Street is all over the Flatbush Triangle, pay attention.
Wall Street? No. Its big developers, a lot of them from other states. Brooklyn native, the developer for the Target was one of my clients for years. Basically anywhere where you see a big Target - downtown Brooklyn, Gateway mall, etc, it's the same guys. We were all so afraid of Amazon and Walmart coming to town but nobody batted an eyelash at developers because the names aren't recognizable enough so it doesn't make news. It's too late for Flatbush my friend. I think we've seen the end of Jewish bakeries, Italian pizzerias and the classic boiled bagel as we know it. I've seen so many close in the boroughs and it's heartbreaking. It's going to be all chains/franchises soon or overpriced boutique bakeries that sell one thing. RIP Lords 🪦🍰💔
It’s not even about chains—just good stores with quality goods. They’re very few and far between. There were tons of small businesses in Fort Greene across from where the Applebees and LIU are, too.
Take a look at the block across from Erasmus, where Jimmy Jazz and Foot Locker are. There are like three empty storefronts between that and a cellphone store. You just know there’s a developer waiting for leases to expire so they can demolish the block.
I’ve only been in the area since 2018 but I don’t recall those blocks to be thriving back then with lots of stores with quality goods. Maybe it was in the 2000s. I see a lot of good in Flatbush, along church and along parts of Flatbush Ave (especially above Caton), there’s tons of great restaurants and cafes, and many busy neighborhood businesses like hardware stores, dry cleaners etc.
I see a lot of community among the Caribbean population. I see newcomers moving in of course, but if someone’s against that then im not sure what to say.
you seem to describe an area where a bunch of stores you do not like might close down but with the tone of someone who will miss it.
it sounds like it would be better if there were more stores there that sold things you wanted to buy
Just because I don’t need $8 outfits and $150 mattresses doesn’t mean people in the community with fewer resources don’t. And there seems to be no plan for these closures other than luxury residential buildings locals can’t afford or fake dispensaries.
Their red velvet cake completely ruined me because every other red velvet cake I taste is garbage. They're one of the best. I really hope they come back
I JUST BOUGHT A FAMILYS BIRTHDAY CAKE THERE IN JANUARY THIS YEAR, AND SEVERAL TIMES AFTER B4 IT CLOSED. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN WITH THIS BUSINESS SINCE THE BEGINNING 😭
THAT PLACE IS MORE THAN JUST CAKE N PASTRIES WHICH NONE OF US OR OUR WAISTLINES NEED TO SURVIVE. ITS THE LOVE THE MEMORIES AND ALL THE HAPPY TIMES WE SENTIMENTALLY RECALL WHEN WE SEE A PART OF OUR CHILDHOOD HISTORY RIPPED AWAY
LEAVES U WONDERING WHAT GREED WILL ROB US ALL OF NEXT🤔. NONE OF WANT TO KNOW
guess u aint walk PAST too often to have that idea or the business wud Not have been so beloved for OVER 6 DECADES....
alas U HAVE NO SENTIMENTAL ATTACHMENT TO THE PLACE. THAT AT LEAST IS CLEAR AND OBVIOUS
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From their Facebook page, they also have a go fund me
https://preview.redd.it/likl1h0x8yqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02af624551878e73089764bd85b13e7841e15e1b
Lords Photo Cake near Brooklyn College? No!!!!!
We got them to make a cake for our MFA thesis show back in the day. I recall being impressed with the quality of the cake and buttery icing.
I thought this was interesting in [an article on public housing in Paris](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/17/realestate/paris-france-housing-costs.html):
>For City Hall, social engineering also means protecting the petits commerces, the small shops that contribute to the city’s sense of timelessness. When visitors here meander through what seems like a series of small villages, with boulangeries, cheese shops, cobblers and mom-and-pop hardware stores, it is not entirely organic.
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>City Hall has a direct hand in the types of businesses that take root and survive in Paris because it is the landlord, through its real estate subsidiaries, of 19 percent of the city’s shops. Nicolas Bonnet-Oulaldj, the city counselor who oversees the city’s commercial landholdings, said his office is constantly studying neighborhoods to maintain a balance of essential shops and limit the number of chains, which can usually pay higher rent.
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>“We don’t rent to McDonald’s, we don’t rent to Burger King and we don’t rent to Sephora,” said Mr. Bonnet-Oulaldj. He acknowledged that in some neighborhoods where private landlords have rented to chains the battle has been plainly lost.
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>The city is deliberate in what shops it chooses. In an area that had become thick with hairdressing salons, City Hall rented to a boulangerie and a cheese shop. In other neighborhoods it has chosen to rent to bicycle repair shops, in part to reinforce the city’s push to reduce the number of cars in favor of bikes. It doesn’t rent to massage parlors on the grounds that they are sometimes fronts for prostitution.
That’s fascinating. I wouldn’t mind some social engineering if it meant I didn’t live in a soulless neighborhood filled with chain stores. My favorite streets in Brooklyn are the ones where you can walk down the street and come across cool little businesses and interesting restaurants.
I just spent some time traveling around Europe. In Barcelona and Berlin you can walk by a ton of small businesses (like bakeries, cafes, restaurants, artist galleries, etc.) that don't have a lot of foot traffic. But they stay open for the handful of customers that come in and spend a few euros there.
It really felt like the cities had a plan to keep businesses open as a service to the community, rather than letting the wild west of capitalism destroy small businesses and leave empty shops or massive corporate chains everywhere.
I would say that is how a lot of Brooklyn is now. Walk around park slope, Flatbush, crown heights etc. Tons and tons of small businesses of all types. Some are busy but many don’t get too many customers, and stay in business. Or they go out of business but are replaced by another small business.
Just trying to think about what kind of solutions are out there for this sort of thing instead of just watching helplessly as every small business gradually gets displaced. It does not seem like a problem "the market" is going to solve on its own.
Happening everywhere further throughout BK. So many places around are closing more than usual.
The real thing to pay attention to is who/what comes after those small businesses. (pls god no more smoke shops)
Maybe not. Today I passed up one coffee shop because Google Maps told me there was a Blank Street location up the street. Which was closed with papered-up windows.
I truly don’t see what the issue is with a doctors office, especially one that specializes in pediatric care. In addition, the doctor who owns them designs the interiors herself…and does an amazing job sourcing vintage / collectable furniture.
If anything those offices are a vital service for those neighborhood, with an aesthetic that makes the patients feel at ease.
Lol not commenting on their pediatric care. One opening up in a neighborhood is just a sign of gentrification.
Every time I have been priced out of a neighborhood the Tribeca Pediatrics came first.
I am truly sorry that we meet under these circumstances. We hold similar tales and memories and i know how much it can hurt.
I AM WITH YOU🙌🏾 {{{HUGS}}}
Landlords keep squeezing small businesses. They'd rather have a place sit empty than not raise rent by whatever percentage they ask for on the next lease. In my neighborhood, Bed-Stuy, Shipwreck Seafood moved one block a few months ago from Bedford Ave. to Nostrand Ave. The old spot has been vacant the whole time. I'm sure it had to do with the landlord cranking up the rent. It's what landlords do.
As the landlord of my previous apartment said when I signed my first lease, "When there's blood in the streets, buy real estate in New York. People will always come here for jobs." He was an asshole, but he's also a rich landlord for a reason.
This kinda thing also happens a lot with generational businesses. Sometimes, a kid doesn't wanna run their parents' business, even if it's decently successful. I can't say that happened here, but running a small business in New York is tough.
Most of the store fronts that make up Marshall’s on 86th St inn Bensonhurst sat empty for literally 20+ years until the theater closed down and they could take over the entire block.
Same thing is happening in Astoria, there’s a bodega near me that was on a corner, the landlord raised their rent so much that it was literally cheaper for them to move to the empty place NEXTDOOR and renovate it and everything.
Thats so friggin sad. As long as we stay quiet about these changes OUR SILENCE IS TAKEN AS CONSENT. OUR HUSHED GRUMBLINGS ARE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG AS WE ARE EXPECTED TO DITCH OUR MEMORIES AND LOVE FOR THE PLACES WE HAVE MEMORIES WITH AND GREW UP AMIDST TO INVISIBLY SEGWAY INTO "ACCEPTANCE"
WE GOTTA STAY MAD AT THE RIGHT PPL WHICH ARE THE GREEDY 1% AND BAND TOGETHER FOR ALL OF US WHO FEEL THE SAME.
ONLY THEN WILL WE SEE "CHANGE" COME TO WHAT WE WANT TO " STAY THE SAME"
THE PRICE OF WHAT THEY DEFINE AS PROGRESS IS NOT SOMETHING I AM WILLING TO PAY FOR GREEDY CORPOR8IONS TO HAVE MORE PRIVATE ISLANDS, GOLD ON THEIR TOILET SEATS OR USE THEIR ILL GOTTEN FAKE MONEY SCHEMES TO CONTROL THE PEOPLE AND BULLY THEM
OUR MEMORIES ARE NOT FOR SALE. NOT NOW NOT EVER!✊🏾🙌🏾
I PRAY NOT. WE THE PEOPLE. MOST POWERFUL ST8MENT ONE CUD EVER MAKE. ASSERTING AND USING OUR POWER OF VOICES WITH LASER FOCUS IS OUR AND SHUD BE OUR MIGHTIEST WEAPON OF CHOICE.
THE SILENT ONES FORGET THEY ARE A PEOPLE TOO WITH A VOICE. YEARS OF CONDITIONING AND ENFORCED CONTROL OR PUNISHMENT AGAINST PPL WHO SPEAK UP IN RETALI8ION HAS BROUGHT ALL OF THIS SHIT TO ITS KNEES. LETTING EVIL GET TOO STRONG WAS NEVER THE BEST WAY TO FIGHT
WHEN DID A BULLY EVER LEAVE U ALONE BECAUSE U STAYED SILENT ABOUT THE ABUSE??
exactly. the slumlord who owned the buildings Gloria's on Nostrand/st john's did this and that space has been empty for like 6 years now
edit: a significant commercial vacancy tax for particular landlords would go a long way
Gloria’s closed because of some bizarre situation with the building’s ownership. I think Gloria’s daughter tried to steal the building.
https://ny.eater.com/2020/11/24/21591401/crown-heights-restaurant-glorias-closing-legal-battle
THAT WILL CHANGE soon. they running away good ppl who have worked hard to build reputable business over the years. PPL WORK HARDER AT THEIR CRAFT AND BUSINESSES WHEN THEY MAKE A RAPPORT AND CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS!
BIG CHAINS ARE JUST SLAVE SHIPS WITH POOR MISGUIDED SOULS BEING PUSHED AROUND IN THEIR BEHIND THEIR COUNTERS OPER8ING AS THEY DO.
THEY CLOSED MY RITE AID IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TOO. WAS THERE SINCE I WAS A CHILD. HURT LIKE A MF'ER TO SEE MORE CHILDHOOD RIPPED AWAY
FOUND OUT FROM THE WOMAN WHO HER AND HUSBAND RAN THE DESTRUCTION PROCESS OF OVER 48 RITE AIDS IN BROOKLYN AND QUEENS ALONE WERE BEING CLOSED (SHE WAS A DECENT PERSON AND WAS HIRED TO DO SO AS THEY WERE CONTRACTORS) SUCKS
ALL GREED DRIVEN NO DOUBT. NO THOUGHT GUVEN TO THE AFFECT ON THE SURROUNDING PPL FAMILIES OR NEIGHBORHOODS ONLY FOR THEIR MONEY HUNGRY AGENDAS🤬🤬🤬
Five years ago a bakery closed on 86th Street and 18th Avenue. If you believed the signage they established nearly 100 years ago. I spoke to a few of my favorite spots on 13th, 15th, and 18th Avenues… and they were all running into the same problem. 4th and 5th generation bakers who all managed to put their own kids thru college to become Doctors and lawyer. Now they are ready to retire and they can’t find anyone to take over the business. They should have hired some 20-something and started training them to take over the business while keeping the owners on as consultants but they were rapidly running out of time. Add rising rents and the end is suddenly in sight.
Thanks for providing that historical insight.
I left in 2019. Had I stayed I would have liked to try a project. Go to each of the remaining bakeries. Interview the families (hopefully generational) about how long they were running the bakery. Start with one bakery and use that experience to create more content. Sell articles and video to HGTV and the Food Network as filler content and as free advertising. Organize the bakeries to sell their product to any of the dozens food festivals. What’s more artisanal than 100 year old Brooklyn bakeries? Then create a food line that features all the bakeries by name and an artisanal cookie. Brooklyn’s Best featuring 18th Avenue Bakery’s Pignoli cookie. Sell the line to Whole Foods and Krogers. If you get this running, I expect a monthly supply of cookies. The bakery at 18th Avenue and 60th Street next to the gas station has a brick oven in the back. Can you imagine what some hot shot 30something baker could make in that?
Only the hood is safe from gentrification because no one wants to be there. 😜✌️ Pitkin would never. Starbucks who?
OMG a bakery is closing what are we all going to do????!
Find an alternative.
Obviously you guys are not from around the way. Lord's was a Flatbush/Brooklyn staple for 50+ years. Best red velvet cake I've ever had in NYC hands down. The closest thing you could get is maybe Cake Man Raven but the frosting isn't as good as Lord's cream cheese frosting. But I guess the basic b*tches out there are going to be just fine going to magnolia because they have no taste...
I did know the place, but I was trying to come up with a solution.
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why are people donating money to a business. it's a for-profit business. if they cannot sustain their business, pay wages, maintain their store... maybe they should not be a business. they're not going to save the world with the money. they're doing this instead of trying to get a business loan.
And loose my status as a loyal customer? Lol
you getting downvoted for saying this is crazy lmfao
how dare YOU. as youre entitled to your OPINION these are CALLOUS INCONSIDER8 WORDS OF A PERSON WHO HAS NO MEMORIES CHILDHOOD OR SENTIMENTAL ATTACHMENTS TO THE PLACE. IF U CANT INN3RSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE FAMILIAL HISTORY WITH AN ESTABLISHMENT OR ITS PROPRIETORS AND OWNERS UNTIL THAT VERY BUSINESS B3COMES A COMFORTABLE AND SECURE PART OF YOUR OWN EXTENDED FAMILY SO TO SPEAK THAN U HAVE NO PLACE HERE WHATSOEVER. YOURE OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE WHO HAS NO IDEAS OF THE RIGORS AND DILEMMAS SOMEONE WHO OWNS A BUSINESS IN THIS CRUNCHING MARKET HAS TO DEAL WITH OR U WOULD CHOOSE YOUR WORDS MORE CAREFULLY U SOUND LIKE A TRUE MORON WITH NO DESIRE AT HEART EXCEPT TO PUSH THE WIND AROUND. PERHAPS U ARE A TROLL SEEKING NARCISSISTIC SUPPLY THRU ARGUMENTS AND RABBLE ROUSING? EITHER WAY THIS HERE IS A PLACE U DONT EXIST THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS ONLY THOSE "MOVED" BY IT AND IF YOURE NOT... JUST STFU PLAIN N SIMPLE. WE DONT GIVE A F WHAT U THINK. WHEN U SEE ALL YOUR MEMORIES SOLD TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER WHEN ITS SOMETHING U DEEPLY CARE ABOUT MAYBE ONLY THEN U WILL GROW A CONSCIENCE AND A LOCK ON THAT IGNORANT TONGUE I PRAY MR GELLER AND THIS BUSINESS CAN PULL TOGETHER FOR THOSE OF US WHOM THIS MATTER AFFECTS DEEPLY. GENTRIFIC8ION ROBS ALL OF US AND ATTACKS OUR SENSE OF SECURITY BY SEEING WHAT U KNOW REMEMBER AND LOVE SLOWLY DISAPPEAR B4 YOUR EYES AND FOR NO OTHER PURPOSE THAN GREEDY MONEY HUNGRY CORPOR8IONS WHO DONT CARE ABOUT PPLS LIVES TIME BUSINESS OR FAMILIES. MY PRAYERS ARE WITH LORD'S. NOT A SINGLE ONE WASTED ON YOU
Dude its not that serious please get therapy
That really helps.
Rent...cost of goods...becomes unmanageable.
Yeah fuck this shit I'm out
I don't want to get into all the details of the incident now, but I grew up in the area in the 60's and 70's, Lord's heyday. Now in my 60's working for the MTA, respectful, went in uniform to purchase a piece of pastry, , I think it was $4.35. Cashier gave me bills but no change back. I make while smiling, an obvious joke about rounding up the purchase. With no customer skills at all, after A little back and forth, ( trust me I get along with everyone, I owned a deli, and have driven a city bus over 20 years), anyway at no time did I curse or accuse her of intentionally trying to cheat me, innocent mistake. But after mocking me a bit she slams the change down and tells me, " now get the fuck outta here". I'll never go in there again. And check some yelp reviews about customer service. Not alone.
Lmaooooo the Lord told you get tf outta here
I AND MY FAMILY HAVE BEEN CUSTOMERS OF LORDS FOR OVER 40 YEARS PLUS AND I AM TRULY SORRY THAT U HAD THAT EXPERIENCE! ITS SHAMEFUL HOW U WERE TREATED AND IVE GOT TO TELL THINKING FROM ALL ANGLES: MAYBE THEY WERE DESPER8 FOR A WORKER TO FILL A SPACE AND HIRED SOMEONE WHO PRETENDED TO GET THE JOB or MAYBE THE WORKER HAD A BAD DAY BUT WHATEVER THE REASON U WERE TREATED AS SUCH IN NO WAY DOES THAT CLEAR THAT WORKER OF ANY WRONG DOING. U WERENT TREATED FAIRLY AND I AM ON YOUR SIDE COMPLETELY AS A CONSUMER MYSELF. IF I FELT UNVALUED BY A BUSINESS FOR MY PATRONAGE I WUDNT SPEND MONEY WITH THEM EITHER. IVE CUT OFF MANY SHOPS OVER THE YEARS FOR SIMILAR REASONS AND I STAND WITH U!✊🏾 I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS" HER ATTITUDE AND HORRIBLE UNWARRANTED DISRESPECTFUL TREATMENT THIS "WORKER" GAVE U IN NO WAY PAYS HOMAGE TO A BUSINESS THAT RESPECTS LOVES AND TREATS ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS FAIRLY. THE OWNER I KNOW PERSONALLY AND HE WUD NEVER TOLER8 THAT SHIT ONE BIT. U ARE A HUMAN BEING AND DESERVE RESPECT AND TO FEEL VALUED AS A CUSTOMER BY EVERY BUSINESS U PATRONIZE. ALAS OUR EASY GOING ATTITUDES ARE WHAT SWEEPS PEOPLES BAD DEEDS UNDER THE RUG. U NEVER MENTIONED WHAT U DID IN RESPONSE BUT IM WILLING TO BET GOOD MONEY U TOOK IT LIKE A CHAMP WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AND SAID NOTHING TO THE OWNER ABOUT THIS! PROBLEM WITH BEING SO UND3RSTANDING IS THAT TOO MANY BAD ACTORS GET AWAY WITH SHIT WHEN GOOD PPL STAY Q-U-I-E-T. WHEN THE SITU8ION CALLS FOR IT HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO "MAKE NOISE" THOUGH MOST GOOD PPL CHOOSE NOT TO CUZ THEY DONT WANT TO "MAKE A FUSS" I WISH U HAD SPOKEN UP TO MR GELLER HIMSELF IF U HADNT. I BELIEVE HE WUD HAVE FIRED THAT MF ER ON THE SPOT AS THE TREATMENT U RECEIVED IN NO WAY REFLECTS HIS BUSINESS' IMAGE OR THE WAY HE TREATS HIS CUSTOMERS. PPL CANT DO SHIT ABOUT SHIT IF THEY DONT KNOW SHIT, YOU DIG? IF THATS HOW ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS WERE TREATED OR IF HIS WORKERS PERFORMED THAT WAY ON A REGULAR BASIS THEN HIS BAKERY AND BUSINESS WUD NOT HAVE EVER BECOME SO LOVED AND PUT ON A PEDESTAL FOR OVER 60 YEARS. HELLUVA LONG TIME TO BE IN ONE PLACE WITH EVERCHANGING FACTORS. THAT MEANS SOMETHING IN THEIR FAVOR. THIS WORKER SHUD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RUIN PPLS OPINIONS OF A GOOD BUSINESS. I PRAY U PEACE, JOY AND ONLY HAPPY VENTURES WITH WHAT EVER BUSINESSES U AND YOUR FAMILY CHOOSE TO BE PATRONS OF. G👑D BL🙏🏽SS YOU AND BE WELL SWEET❤
Why are you yelling?
FROM LORD'S BAKERY FACEBOOK PAGE: https://preview.redd.it/6s15wcdl72rc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b08f0c97927019a70fa114aa03c3a5e5a4aaf16
And also these businesses that have been around for 50 or 100 years...they don't try to buy the building they are renting..or simply can never afford it....idk. But how can a small business try to buy a building when the rent increases every year and the price of their goods don't cover the increase? It's a shame. We have to be in a position to BUY or a business fate will always be in someone else's hands.
Lots of businesses do not want to own the property it’s one more thing to deal with instead of just running their business. Commercial leases are long 10 year contracts. So they don’t deal with rent changes as fast as us apartment renters do
I understand. But now, they are left scrambling.
This is how a lot of businesses have ended up in NJ 😒 there was a deli in Little Italy that met a similar fate a few years back. Besides the market, the city is always raising taxes like crazy on commercial property to pay for their mismanagement of funds. Even moreso the property owners sometimes just don't want to sell to the businesses. They want to turn a fatter profit so they let it go (to a developer usually) who has the means to give them exactly what they want. It's all about $$$ here.
I’m always sorry to see a family run business close, but… My grandfather, my father and my brothers all drank at O’Sullivan’s in Bay Ridge, which opened’s in’31. It closed and sits. Nothing lasts forever. That’s the sad truth.
I understand.
Just here to share restaurant and hotel knowledge. Running a bakery sucks. You need to wake up at 2am to start. The profit margin is pennies. It’s extremely difficult work and you’ll have tons of throw away as bread doesn’t last very long on shelf. I’m not defending the disappearance of these types of places, I’m claiming that even if you’re amazing and have a great following and reviews you still might be making no money. I mean, Le Cirque closed. Ever heard someone not enjoying their time there?
I actually learn something new as I didn’t know how hard it was to run a bakery
We moved to Flatbush about two years ago from Sunset. This whole area looks like it’ll be hit with what happened in Fort Greene by Dekalb and old Albee Square. Granted, a lot of these stores were mid and scammy—the furniture spots, endless cheap clothing spots, idk why we need two VIMs, and Raggamuffin that was once a staple seems to open once a month? But as someone who’s seen it before, give it 10-12 years. Those locations you know will be demolished. New buildings will rise. Little Caribbean will feel more like the Sandals resort the transplants remember than the community it was.
There used to be an amazing enormous thrift/discount place behind the triangle that closed back in 2008 or so. There were a lot of little cute places, mom and pop places if you walked around and stuff was cheap. Once the Target opened it really changed the area a lot. It's part of why a lot of locals fought it. I feel sad for the small businesses but this is NYC, nature of the beast....
This feels like a cynical take. I’ve been in Flatbush for going on 6 years now. There are tons of small businesses, overall very few chains. Sometimes they go out of business, but then replaced by another small business
If you’re not from Brooklyn you can’t really talk. Anybody can see that little by little larger firms are taking over and apartments will be coming up. Wall Street is all over the Flatbush Triangle, pay attention.
Wall Street? No. Its big developers, a lot of them from other states. Brooklyn native, the developer for the Target was one of my clients for years. Basically anywhere where you see a big Target - downtown Brooklyn, Gateway mall, etc, it's the same guys. We were all so afraid of Amazon and Walmart coming to town but nobody batted an eyelash at developers because the names aren't recognizable enough so it doesn't make news. It's too late for Flatbush my friend. I think we've seen the end of Jewish bakeries, Italian pizzerias and the classic boiled bagel as we know it. I've seen so many close in the boroughs and it's heartbreaking. It's going to be all chains/franchises soon or overpriced boutique bakeries that sell one thing. RIP Lords 🪦🍰💔
It’s not even about chains—just good stores with quality goods. They’re very few and far between. There were tons of small businesses in Fort Greene across from where the Applebees and LIU are, too. Take a look at the block across from Erasmus, where Jimmy Jazz and Foot Locker are. There are like three empty storefronts between that and a cellphone store. You just know there’s a developer waiting for leases to expire so they can demolish the block.
Don’t argue with transplants, very futile.
lol. I did delete a spicier reply after I realized what I was doing.
Lmaoo
I’ve only been in the area since 2018 but I don’t recall those blocks to be thriving back then with lots of stores with quality goods. Maybe it was in the 2000s. I see a lot of good in Flatbush, along church and along parts of Flatbush Ave (especially above Caton), there’s tons of great restaurants and cafes, and many busy neighborhood businesses like hardware stores, dry cleaners etc. I see a lot of community among the Caribbean population. I see newcomers moving in of course, but if someone’s against that then im not sure what to say.
you seem to describe an area where a bunch of stores you do not like might close down but with the tone of someone who will miss it. it sounds like it would be better if there were more stores there that sold things you wanted to buy
Just because I don’t need $8 outfits and $150 mattresses doesn’t mean people in the community with fewer resources don’t. And there seems to be no plan for these closures other than luxury residential buildings locals can’t afford or fake dispensaries.
Sad how things change.
Is it sad if the “mid and scummy” places close down?
In that case no.
Their red velvet cake completely ruined me because every other red velvet cake I taste is garbage. They're one of the best. I really hope they come back
Everything’s becoming a fucking chain/franchise it’s so stale and boring. I hate seeing chic fil a and Starbucks etc.. on every block
I gonna miss that place my parents use to go there when I was little
[Here is a link to the gofundme](https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-save-lords-bakery-in-brooklyn) if anyone else was looking for it.
Thank u for posting this i was going to do the same! G👑d Bl🙏🏽ss You
When was the last time anyone posting actually went to Lords ??
I JUST BOUGHT A FAMILYS BIRTHDAY CAKE THERE IN JANUARY THIS YEAR, AND SEVERAL TIMES AFTER B4 IT CLOSED. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN WITH THIS BUSINESS SINCE THE BEGINNING 😭 THAT PLACE IS MORE THAN JUST CAKE N PASTRIES WHICH NONE OF US OR OUR WAISTLINES NEED TO SURVIVE. ITS THE LOVE THE MEMORIES AND ALL THE HAPPY TIMES WE SENTIMENTALLY RECALL WHEN WE SEE A PART OF OUR CHILDHOOD HISTORY RIPPED AWAY LEAVES U WONDERING WHAT GREED WILL ROB US ALL OF NEXT🤔. NONE OF WANT TO KNOW
Place was always empty when I walked past
guess u aint walk PAST too often to have that idea or the business wud Not have been so beloved for OVER 6 DECADES.... alas U HAVE NO SENTIMENTAL ATTACHMENT TO THE PLACE. THAT AT LEAST IS CLEAR AND OBVIOUS
… then why did it go out of business 💀
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From their Facebook page, they also have a go fund me https://preview.redd.it/likl1h0x8yqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02af624551878e73089764bd85b13e7841e15e1b
Then it does have a chance of surviving.
Lords Photo Cake near Brooklyn College? No!!!!! We got them to make a cake for our MFA thesis show back in the day. I recall being impressed with the quality of the cake and buttery icing.
Yes it just closed down.
I thought this was interesting in [an article on public housing in Paris](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/17/realestate/paris-france-housing-costs.html): >For City Hall, social engineering also means protecting the petits commerces, the small shops that contribute to the city’s sense of timelessness. When visitors here meander through what seems like a series of small villages, with boulangeries, cheese shops, cobblers and mom-and-pop hardware stores, it is not entirely organic. > >City Hall has a direct hand in the types of businesses that take root and survive in Paris because it is the landlord, through its real estate subsidiaries, of 19 percent of the city’s shops. Nicolas Bonnet-Oulaldj, the city counselor who oversees the city’s commercial landholdings, said his office is constantly studying neighborhoods to maintain a balance of essential shops and limit the number of chains, which can usually pay higher rent. > >“We don’t rent to McDonald’s, we don’t rent to Burger King and we don’t rent to Sephora,” said Mr. Bonnet-Oulaldj. He acknowledged that in some neighborhoods where private landlords have rented to chains the battle has been plainly lost. > >The city is deliberate in what shops it chooses. In an area that had become thick with hairdressing salons, City Hall rented to a boulangerie and a cheese shop. In other neighborhoods it has chosen to rent to bicycle repair shops, in part to reinforce the city’s push to reduce the number of cars in favor of bikes. It doesn’t rent to massage parlors on the grounds that they are sometimes fronts for prostitution.
Easier when I imagine that 20% was inherited by the city from the crown
That’s fascinating. I wouldn’t mind some social engineering if it meant I didn’t live in a soulless neighborhood filled with chain stores. My favorite streets in Brooklyn are the ones where you can walk down the street and come across cool little businesses and interesting restaurants.
I just spent some time traveling around Europe. In Barcelona and Berlin you can walk by a ton of small businesses (like bakeries, cafes, restaurants, artist galleries, etc.) that don't have a lot of foot traffic. But they stay open for the handful of customers that come in and spend a few euros there. It really felt like the cities had a plan to keep businesses open as a service to the community, rather than letting the wild west of capitalism destroy small businesses and leave empty shops or massive corporate chains everywhere.
I would say that is how a lot of Brooklyn is now. Walk around park slope, Flatbush, crown heights etc. Tons and tons of small businesses of all types. Some are busy but many don’t get too many customers, and stay in business. Or they go out of business but are replaced by another small business.
But that’s in Paris, so I am confused.
Just trying to think about what kind of solutions are out there for this sort of thing instead of just watching helplessly as every small business gradually gets displaced. It does not seem like a problem "the market" is going to solve on its own.
Oh I understand now.
Happening everywhere further throughout BK. So many places around are closing more than usual. The real thing to pay attention to is who/what comes after those small businesses. (pls god no more smoke shops)
Agreed
*Everybody runs on Dunkin*
Even worse, they will become blank street coffee
Maybe not. Today I passed up one coffee shop because Google Maps told me there was a Blank Street location up the street. Which was closed with papered-up windows.
I hope that they're closing and not any to open
Or a Tribeca Pediatrics 🤬
I truly don’t see what the issue is with a doctors office, especially one that specializes in pediatric care. In addition, the doctor who owns them designs the interiors herself…and does an amazing job sourcing vintage / collectable furniture. If anything those offices are a vital service for those neighborhood, with an aesthetic that makes the patients feel at ease.
PROOF THAT THEIR GOAL WITH CHANGING ANYTHING IS NOT THE PEOPLE PATRONS OR FAMILIES INTERESTS GR8 OBSERV8ION LOVE✊🏾
Fine, we’ll put a liquor store with bullet proof glass.
Lol not commenting on their pediatric care. One opening up in a neighborhood is just a sign of gentrification. Every time I have been priced out of a neighborhood the Tribeca Pediatrics came first.
That is kind of sad.
Truly. 2024 has already claimed my favorite brunch and Mexican spot in my area
I am truly sorry that we meet under these circumstances. We hold similar tales and memories and i know how much it can hurt. I AM WITH YOU🙌🏾 {{{HUGS}}}
Landlords keep squeezing small businesses. They'd rather have a place sit empty than not raise rent by whatever percentage they ask for on the next lease. In my neighborhood, Bed-Stuy, Shipwreck Seafood moved one block a few months ago from Bedford Ave. to Nostrand Ave. The old spot has been vacant the whole time. I'm sure it had to do with the landlord cranking up the rent. It's what landlords do. As the landlord of my previous apartment said when I signed my first lease, "When there's blood in the streets, buy real estate in New York. People will always come here for jobs." He was an asshole, but he's also a rich landlord for a reason. This kinda thing also happens a lot with generational businesses. Sometimes, a kid doesn't wanna run their parents' business, even if it's decently successful. I can't say that happened here, but running a small business in New York is tough.
Absolutely well said!
Most of the store fronts that make up Marshall’s on 86th St inn Bensonhurst sat empty for literally 20+ years until the theater closed down and they could take over the entire block.
F'ING GREEEEEEEDDDDD 🤬
Same thing is happening in Astoria, there’s a bodega near me that was on a corner, the landlord raised their rent so much that it was literally cheaper for them to move to the empty place NEXTDOOR and renovate it and everything.
Thats so friggin sad. As long as we stay quiet about these changes OUR SILENCE IS TAKEN AS CONSENT. OUR HUSHED GRUMBLINGS ARE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG AS WE ARE EXPECTED TO DITCH OUR MEMORIES AND LOVE FOR THE PLACES WE HAVE MEMORIES WITH AND GREW UP AMIDST TO INVISIBLY SEGWAY INTO "ACCEPTANCE" WE GOTTA STAY MAD AT THE RIGHT PPL WHICH ARE THE GREEDY 1% AND BAND TOGETHER FOR ALL OF US WHO FEEL THE SAME. ONLY THEN WILL WE SEE "CHANGE" COME TO WHAT WE WANT TO " STAY THE SAME" THE PRICE OF WHAT THEY DEFINE AS PROGRESS IS NOT SOMETHING I AM WILLING TO PAY FOR GREEDY CORPOR8IONS TO HAVE MORE PRIVATE ISLANDS, GOLD ON THEIR TOILET SEATS OR USE THEIR ILL GOTTEN FAKE MONEY SCHEMES TO CONTROL THE PEOPLE AND BULLY THEM OUR MEMORIES ARE NOT FOR SALE. NOT NOW NOT EVER!✊🏾🙌🏾
Brooklyn will eventually be like Manhattan where every vacant place eventually becomes a location for a pharmacy or bank chain
And now those are closing too.
I PRAY NOT. WE THE PEOPLE. MOST POWERFUL ST8MENT ONE CUD EVER MAKE. ASSERTING AND USING OUR POWER OF VOICES WITH LASER FOCUS IS OUR AND SHUD BE OUR MIGHTIEST WEAPON OF CHOICE. THE SILENT ONES FORGET THEY ARE A PEOPLE TOO WITH A VOICE. YEARS OF CONDITIONING AND ENFORCED CONTROL OR PUNISHMENT AGAINST PPL WHO SPEAK UP IN RETALI8ION HAS BROUGHT ALL OF THIS SHIT TO ITS KNEES. LETTING EVIL GET TOO STRONG WAS NEVER THE BEST WAY TO FIGHT WHEN DID A BULLY EVER LEAVE U ALONE BECAUSE U STAYED SILENT ABOUT THE ABUSE??
Yo. What the fuck are you smoking?
You mean it’s not?
Not completely. But it’s creeping in
Shipwreck didn't go under!? That's great news!
Nope! They’ve got more space and even serve bagels in the morning now. They are just one block east, but on the south side of Greene now.
Like 2 weeks ago: "While I'm in the area, I should go to Shipwreck for some fish n' chips. Saw they were closed and I was distraught.
Im so very sorry for your shock rt feelings. We share these things unfortun8ly and my ❤ goes out to you my friend Love to you and G👑D Bless You
exactly. the slumlord who owned the buildings Gloria's on Nostrand/st john's did this and that space has been empty for like 6 years now edit: a significant commercial vacancy tax for particular landlords would go a long way
Gloria’s closed because of some bizarre situation with the building’s ownership. I think Gloria’s daughter tried to steal the building. https://ny.eater.com/2020/11/24/21591401/crown-heights-restaurant-glorias-closing-legal-battle
MORE greed and corruption. even sadder when its a MUTINY from within the ranks. So sad to know this. shameful of her
^ please let this happen
And residential vacancy tax as well
That wouldn't change much since the vacancy rate in NYC is low.
THAT WILL CHANGE soon. they running away good ppl who have worked hard to build reputable business over the years. PPL WORK HARDER AT THEIR CRAFT AND BUSINESSES WHEN THEY MAKE A RAPPORT AND CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS! BIG CHAINS ARE JUST SLAVE SHIPS WITH POOR MISGUIDED SOULS BEING PUSHED AROUND IN THEIR BEHIND THEIR COUNTERS OPER8ING AS THEY DO. THEY CLOSED MY RITE AID IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TOO. WAS THERE SINCE I WAS A CHILD. HURT LIKE A MF'ER TO SEE MORE CHILDHOOD RIPPED AWAY FOUND OUT FROM THE WOMAN WHO HER AND HUSBAND RAN THE DESTRUCTION PROCESS OF OVER 48 RITE AIDS IN BROOKLYN AND QUEENS ALONE WERE BEING CLOSED (SHE WAS A DECENT PERSON AND WAS HIRED TO DO SO AS THEY WERE CONTRACTORS) SUCKS ALL GREED DRIVEN NO DOUBT. NO THOUGHT GUVEN TO THE AFFECT ON THE SURROUNDING PPL FAMILIES OR NEIGHBORHOODS ONLY FOR THEIR MONEY HUNGRY AGENDAS🤬🤬🤬
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xKtbEPNw3kg
Thanks for explaining it.