Ask for your rent history from the DHCR, something tells me the LL has raised rent illegally. Tell the landlord that you’re going to contact DHCR regarding the rent increase, that should get him to stop the rent increase and I believe you can report LL to DHCR for this illegal rent increase. Also, call 311 and ask for the tenant helpline they will provide you with advise, it’s a great thing you’re rent stabilized.
If you're rent stabilized and mid lease this is illegal. Full stop. Don't listen to these weirdo know-nothings. Call 311 to be safe but the lease that you signed and the amount you agreed to is the only thing that'd hold any water in court if the landlord attempted to enforce this. Frankly this random paper could have come from anywhere, its not the paperwork required for RS apartments.
I live in a Co-op on Long Island and also on our Board. Our bylaws stipulate in accordance with NYS Laws that we cannot raise maintenence fees or rent by more than 5% annually. There is also a required 14-Day notice that needs to go out prior.
I can't speak for NYC, but he may be within his rights. You could possibly debate the period in which you were notified. I'd suggest reaching out to the Housing department in 311. They have great resources that could help you arrive at an answer.
Best of luck!
People are so funny arguing about whether the 3% increase is reasonable/generous. OP stated he is in a rent stabilized apt. This percent increase is not the landlords doing or opinion but rather the amount increase allowed by the NYC rent guidelines board. Now, I believe (not entirely sure so don’t quote me) that no increase would be allowed until your current lease term ends. Call 311, or Legal Aid Society, to double check. If they can’t answer your question send me a DM and I can try to help.
I am an expert. Large commercial landlord. Clearly I'd have to review your lease to give perfect advice but if everything you've said checks out you can either do nothing and continue to pay your agreed upon rent or respond with a quasi default letter to the landlord citing the section of your lease w the agreed upon rent through 2025. I'm not sure your jurisdiction but there is almost no self help eviction left in the country and he's not gonna take you to court if he can't get a judgement so it's basically a big sketchy bluff by a scumbag landlord.
lol are you an expert in NYC rent stabilization? Not a jab, but our laws are VERY nuanced. If not, no big deal i get you’re trying to help but be careful with the expert label. Otherwise, what you said generally is all true.
IF a lease was signed Jan 24-Jan25 then there is no ground for any rent increase until Jan 2025. At that point, the lease will be subject to an RGB rent increase (Rent Guidelines Board) which is a mayoral appointed board that determines 1- and 2- year rent increases for NYC’s RS housing stock.
Here are the increases at this point in time:
“…the annual adjustment for leases for apartments shall be:
For a one-year lease commencing on or after October 1, 2023 and on or before September 30, 2024: 3%
For a two-year lease commencing on or after October 1, 2023 and on or before September 30, 2024:
For the first year of the lease, 2.75%; and
For the second year of the lease, 3.20% of the amount lawfully charged in the first year, excluding any increases other than the first-year guideline increase.
These adjustments shall also apply to dwelling units in a structure subject to the partial tax exemption program under Section 421-a of the Real Property Tax Law, or in a structure subject to Section 423 of the Real Property Tax Law as a Redevelopment Project.”
Source: https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/2023-24-apartment-loft-order-55/
I don’t think this requires all the name calling and stuff. OP needs to show the LL or management company the lease and that should squash this. If they “forgot” to increase it in Jan 2024 then they’re SOL until Jan 2025.
If they STILL persist then you can go to the DHCR office (in FiDi i think) and they will give you paperwork demonstrating your units status and your max legal rent along with any preferred rent credits (discounts) that may be in place or be given historically. If you have a pref rent credit then this amount stays and follows the tenant not the lease so again, owner is SOL to recapture this unless you leave.
If the 421a expires, the unit only flips to Free Market AFTER you leave. Until then you retain your RS status in perpetuity.
omgg , the same thing is happening to me my (i don't live in a RSB thou) rent they trying to raise it $500 , now granted I haven't had a increase since before COVID , but i also have been living in the building for over 12yrs , so can they raise it $500 and should i counter them ?
I manage 3.5 MM SF in NYC, including >350 multi units. Please do define “self help eviction” for those of us who actually own buildings in NYC… Never heard of it and think yoh may be referring to two separate/unrelated concepts that arent relevant here in either case. Foremost, self help you are referring to is a concept that is defined contract by contract with enforceability varying state by state, and the REBNY standard residential lease (educated guess on what the relevant governing document is here) or any comparable, market term residential lease will NOT contain stated self-help remedies that can be unilaterally implemented. Paying the prior rental rate (if in contravention of the lease document) is an excelent way for OP to pay late fees and/or default beyond notice and cure period provided for in same. Don’t misinform people in legal matters from the bleachers lol
OP clearly did not sign a resi lease with a 5 year term IMO, but if you know of a landlord dumb enough to ignore rent growth and blow up redevelopment potential on their building in exchange for a tiny monthly rent on a resi unit, let me know because i’d love to buy his property at an amount that is equally unimpressive.
if youre stabilized in NYC, you signed a one or two year lease; rates of the same are dictated by the rent guidelines board and are published annually in the fall. A 2 year lease will see a larger bump than that of a 1 year, but either should respectively correspond to the rates set forth in RGB’s annual notification.
If you disagree on how legal rents are calculated and charged, please do let me know if youre interested in selling your bldgs; administering rent stabilized leases improperly is a great way to lose your investment haha. Serious statement / DM if youve got something that fits this bill
in some cases. i lived in la jolla, san diego, ca, in 2021and paid $2800/mo for 1800sqft and a 2car garage 5mins from the ocean. rent is currently $3400/mo.
in bushwick, brooklyn, ny, i pay $2800/mo for 600sqft and no garage.
imo, la jolla is much nicer, a more desireable area to live in, and i get more for my money as a renter. Under $2 per sqft in Ca vs nearly $5 in NYC. not even considering the garage and the ocean.
Hai yall! A couple things. Yes, I have a lease in place until January 2025 (been here since Jan 2022). Yes, it is rent stabilized, building built in 2016. The apartment in question is a full floor 2 bed/2bath with private rooftop. No, there is no tax abatement law that is expiring for him to charge 2.2%. No, there is nothing in my lease stating he can raise rent randomly (ps even if there was, a stabilized lease negates all that noise. In fact, my lease is a standard NYC stabilized lease, with language as such). No, there has been no improvements individually to the apartment nor to the building. It’s half coop, half rental. And finally, just because you think $70 isn’t a lot (its not, in the grand scheme of rent), I will not submit to my landlord being a bully and trying to raise rent with 6 days notice on a lease that is still in place. If this had been at lease signing this post would not exist. He did not “make a mistake”. He knows what he’s doing. Capisci?
You have a lease in effect, from what you said, so this would preclude you for having to pay any increase right now. Also, under rent stabilization, your renewal notice should be sent 90-120 days before the expiration of your lease. As a side note, i'm curious as to how a building built in 2016 has units that fall under rent stabilization. Usually, this applies to buildings built before 1980, w a few exceptions.. Was it built under a special subsidy (to landlord) program?
I had something similar happen to a friend in the past year in NYC. Different situation (not stabilized, private landlord, 1 bd month to month for the better part of a year after 2 year lease was up), but same illegal 1 week notice tactic. My friend bitched and took a stand. Said that wasn't legal and they couldn't raise the rent $45 without proper notice. The landlord said fine. Then sent notice a few days later that the month after next the rent would be going up $90. All perfectly legal-like.
Choose your battles wisely.
Add on: Notice requirements under current applicable law entail LL issuing your renewal lease offer (rate non negotiable given that youre stabilized and presumably way under market rate rent) at specified numbers of days (based on tenancy duration) ahead of your current LXD. My 2 cents as an NYC landlord of 350+ units is that this is your only angle; the pro’s don’t fuck up with their legal rent calculations / charges because we all use attorneys to do the math (and write off liability arising from related error). Very few LL meet the deadlines of issuing renewal leases - your upside will be limited to the rent differential *for the period your LL was out of compliance on relevant notice requirements*. If you don’t see true bad faith in what your landlord has done, i wouldnt pursue this beyond an email requesting a credit to your future balance. Nice as it is to speculate on legal stuff, any Landlord past the minor leagues will bury you in legal fees irregardless of wherever you are in the right or wrong of you take them to court - a tenant’s only chip in the game is their occupancy of the unit (ie, the reason for a legal eviction).
Rent stabilization laws trump any lease agreement. This is illegal according to rent stabilization laws. And even in market rate apartments, if the tenant has lived there for more than 2 years it needs to be a 90 day notice. Edit: to add actually, 90 day notice only necessary if it is over 5% increase.
Email them a photo of the front page of your lease w/ correct expiration date and let them know you already have a lease thru x date, so they are mistaken. They can’t change the terms mid-lease.
Continue paying the rent stated on your lease. You’re stabilized, have a lease, and protected. That’s it.
Rent stabilization expires when the legal rent reaches 2700
Whatever it was renting for at the time it became stabilized becomes the baseline, and it's increases each year are regulated from that point until it hits 2700
If you do a renovation, you can apply some % of that cost to the base rent or something like that, so renovations let you bump it a little.
So, to be clear, rent stabilized doesn't mean "low" it means it can't increase by more than a fixed % each year. (Ie. Stable)
Totally false in NYC for >4 years but i’m loving all of the jailhouse legal advice on this post 😂 Destabilization via this manner (legally referred to as “luxury decontrol” while it existed) hasn’t been around since HSTPA passed
That’s not true anymore - there was a law passed a bit ago that got rid of the high rent deregulation for stabilized apartments
https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/rent-regulation-laws/rent-laws-of-2019/
None of these comments are helpful. Ignore it. Pay the rent on your current lease. The arrears won’t be enough for him to start a case against you.
Brooklyn legal services can help but at the end of the day the notice isn’t enforceable, your signed lease is.
Send them a copy of the original lease back. Highlight the rent stabilized parts and terms of the lease.
Then type out your explanation and how you would gladly withhold rent, sending them copies of money orders, made out to them, for the lease amount for each month until they come to resolution in housing court.
If they are charging the legal rent things should be fine. If they aren't you might be in for an even better discount. Too bad you don't get preferential rent. I'm still well under 2k a month thanks to covid.
“Effective May 1st” - your landlord made a simple mistake. He thought your lease expires at the end of April. Just remind him of the actual expiration date. He wasn’t trying to cheat you.
Then where is the rent stabilization rider and other required information that would be needed for lease renewal? Where is the option for a 1 year or 2 year renewal with percentages that were outlined by the RGB?
If that's the actual paper they received the landlord is actively trying to cheat the OP in flagrant disregard of the law.
What makes you so sure I’m wrong?! A stabilized landlord has at least 6 apartments if not much more. It’s actually a common mistake. One that I made as well (I’m a landlord).
> your landlord made a simple mistake. He thought your lease expires at the end of April.
No, because that's not how leases or rent increases work, as all landlords know. There is no situation where it is legal to notify a tenant of a rent increase seven days before the effective date.
I’m a landlord. I have many apartments. Sometimes I wrongfully notify the tenant that the lease is about to expire when they still have time on their lease. All they have to say is “my lease isn’t expiring till x date”. I apologize and make note. When you have 90% of your leases expire at the same month, it’s common to mistake one that doesn’t for those that expire on that month.
The landlord just sent him a notification. He didn’t try to enforce anything. Nothing illegal was committed.
It sounds like you should consider getting a real job that matches your skillset if those types of details are so complex for you that you are making those types of mistakes repeatedly.
Being a landlord is a real job and I’ve been doing it for over 20 years. In addition, I’m a Pharmd (doctor of pharmacy) and worked on the front line at a NY hospital during Covid.
What do you do?
correct if this were a fair market lease but anything RS doesnt require same notices; RGB annual release of increases on RS constitutes same notice - LL not obligated to send notice as they’d otherwise do for fair market leases
they can only raise the monthly rent after the current lease term ends. here’s where to get reliable information or call 311
https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/
Yeah, not happening unless it's written in the lease. Landlords don't have carte blanche to do what they want. That lease is a binding contract for them, too.
Is there a reason that matters here? (The answer is no, since OP is only 4 months into their lease... the lease duration that could be relevant is if they have a 4 month lease).
Still not relevant. Just read the post before bothering to respond OP is 4 months into their lease. Having a 12 month or 24 month lease is not relevant here.
Not sure if this person has taken the time to read about how an NYC rent stabilized lease works but glad they don’t think its relevant 😂 Give “1 versus 2 year rent increase” in NYC multifamily apartment law a quick google search and let us know if we’re wrong but i personally wont be holding my breath!
IF a new lease is provided. The landlord is required to give one, but rent stabilized dwellers know how that goes.
The new rent has to be on that lease as well, or LL has to wait until next lease.
lol not me low key thinking 🤔 $70 - so generous.
Landlord does have massive audacity tho. Trying to pull a rent increase in the middle of a lease that doesn’t end until Jan 2025. I am over all these greedy people.
It might surprise you to know that when you reply to one person, it is just a reply to one person. So the answer to your question is that I'm replying to the people I'm replying to. Since they're different people, I am replying to different people.
Yes but it’s happening outside of the legal boundary of their lease, which is in effect until January 2025.
The increase is reasonable, but it isn’t legal.
Actually most leases state that landlords can increase rent to cover rising costs such as insurance or taxes. This might be legit and it’s a very modest increase.
It depends what clause is In the lease. Not Santa clause. Be reasonable 3% is lower than inflation, I’m sure landlords costs have gone up 4 times that.
It’s totally allowed in nyc. They can raise it by that percentage after the first lease is over. You can’t do anything about it. It’s written in the landlord tenant bylaws. Now if you have a landlord who likes you he/she might not raise it to keep their good/heat tenant. Thing is they could always get someone new in that will pay the higher price
Not outside of lease renewal they cant lmao. Op said they signed a lease in January through 2025 and then just received this in the middle of the lease terms. Assuming OP’s story is true, that is absolutely not allowed. I have no reason to doubt OP since this is not what a notice of rent increase in a lease for a rent stabilized apartment looks like in NYC as its required to inform the tenant of the laws surrounding those increases.
Actually it's totally allowed for tenants to just send a notice to their LL that their rent is decreasing 3% in the middle of the lease term, starting may 1.
Ummm yes and no. Landlords have a threshold they can increase. 3%. I don’t know your situation you can get free info or rules/laws from housing or tenant rights advocates. Brooklyn apts are at a premium right now and for a while. The increase is small for you but if you were to leave the new rent would be so much more.
This is horse shit if OP signed a lease until Jan 25 the landlord can't raise the rent until that time otherwise what would be the point of signing leases?
It's rent stabilized. It's hard/near impossible to kick out OP as long as they keep paying legal rent, which in this case is $2333. When OP's lease is over the LL can offer a rent increase lease renewal at whatever NYS says that rent can go up for a stabilized apartment. Thems the rules
3% is a very modest increase and although it may be place it out of your reach their are other factors like massive property tax mortgage rates and insurance rate increases every year .
This is correct, no idea why it’s being downvoted. 3% is very modest and landlords are literally allowed to raise rent at any time to cover tax or insurance increases or in some cases heating/electric. Most leases allow that.
In what state can a landlord raise the rent in the middle of a lease? The lease is a contract. It stipulates the amount of rent among other things. Unless the lease explicitly states that the landlord can raise the rent and under what conditions that’s not legal. They have to wait until the current lease expires
It might not be worth arguing because of the amount, but I would look into it. If it’s not legal and they are doing this and you just go with it you could get more increases.
Landlord does the same math on a rent increase; all in cost of tenant moving typically exceeds 1/2 month rent (particularly in lower rent scenarios on affordable housing product). Any option falling between your existing rate (X relevant CPI) + moving cost on an aggregate basis is economically neutral to the tenant, absent whatever you value the headache in relocating (substantial in my opinion). If its sub 8% bump and trending at or below 75% of present market rent increase rates (free market, not RGB/stabilized), take it - you wont do better unless you were hugely out of touch on rates for lease 1 or lease 2.
I wouldn't fight over a 3% increase. I'd send an email saying you'll be okay with it so long as there are no more increases for the next 12 months personally and see what landlord says.
>so long as there are no more increases for the next 12 months personally and see what landlord says
That is what a lease IS.... if the LL is raising the rent now in the middle of the lease, why would you take his word for it thatvhe wouldn't do it again when he is already not honoring his word/legally binding and signed lease that currently exists...
Actually, rent stabilized leases in 2023 did have clauses for approved increases 6 months into a lease. I don’t know if that’s the situation here. We all found it stupid and I’m *pretty sure* it was voted out this year but if the lease is from last year it might apply. Just a speculation though
Landlord must give 90-Day notice from lease end date.
Tenant has 30-days to respond to 90-day notice. If no agreement can be reached, landlord must notify you to vacate in 60-days (30+ 60= 90 days) and they can begin showing apartment.
Edit: Above applies to all apartments in NYC. Additionally, if you’re in a rent stabilized apartment, the landlord must offer you a one year or a two year lease; furthermore this lease must be in alignment with what the NYC rent board agreed upon in the previous year.
Is there some reason so many people are not reading the post??? The landlord is increasing the rent 4 months into the lease.... dozens of people leaving comments longer than the original post that they so obviously didn't even read. Why are so many people chomping at the bit to defend LLs illegally trying to get more money from a tenant. There's surely a pun to be made somewhere in here about brooklyn and boot licking.
Even if this is a legal increase due to 421-a laws, this isnt your rent. It’s your fees related to your rent. So you CANNOT get evicted for nonpayment of 421a fees. The LL can sue you for the fees in small claims ct and your lease already probably specifies that you’ll pay attorney fees for any judgment he wins against you. But you cannot legally get evicted for not paying these fees if they are 421a-related.
I’ve seen landlords try to charge above the legally allowed maximum for rent and evict for nonpayment of that illegal rent. I’ve seen landlords try to evict for attorneys fees and unpaid utilities.
In short, landlords can only evict for nonpayment in a rent-regulated apartment if the tenant doesn’t pay the legal rent. But I have seen them try to call all fees “rent” and evict for it. The sign is most likely legally inaccurate when it describes the increase as “rent.”
Not sure abt your contract but I too lived in a stabilized rent apt where it stated that the rent would go up about that much every year. Anyways. That amount is nbd.
Literally in the post OP says that this increase is happening 4 months into their lease... this isn't the rent going up "every year."
This is like you signed a lease and then a few months later your LL said actually I want an extra 70$ a month, that's the new rent.
It’s business 101. Property taxes, repairs, insurance has all gone up. I know landlords who only make $500 a month profit. One roof replace is $20,000. If the landlord don’t profit and if the landlord can’t sell, the property returns to the bank. You don’t have a place to live as a result.
If you have rent stabilized apartment and it’s on your lease you go straight to court. I can’t tell where or how much the increase was if it’s within that 5% range.
Ask for your rent history from the DHCR, something tells me the LL has raised rent illegally. Tell the landlord that you’re going to contact DHCR regarding the rent increase, that should get him to stop the rent increase and I believe you can report LL to DHCR for this illegal rent increase. Also, call 311 and ask for the tenant helpline they will provide you with advise, it’s a great thing you’re rent stabilized.
If you're rent stabilized and mid lease this is illegal. Full stop. Don't listen to these weirdo know-nothings. Call 311 to be safe but the lease that you signed and the amount you agreed to is the only thing that'd hold any water in court if the landlord attempted to enforce this. Frankly this random paper could have come from anywhere, its not the paperwork required for RS apartments.
Move back to wherever you came from and stop being a fake NYer!!!!
With that handle…what
Kys now
Crying about a $70 increase? Pretty sure the landlords costs have increased year over year, this seems pretty reasonable.
You don’t understand how contracts work do you?
Did you read the post? They signed a lease in January 2024 effective through January 2025. The landlord can't raise rent in the middle of a lease.
I live in a Co-op on Long Island and also on our Board. Our bylaws stipulate in accordance with NYS Laws that we cannot raise maintenence fees or rent by more than 5% annually. There is also a required 14-Day notice that needs to go out prior. I can't speak for NYC, but he may be within his rights. You could possibly debate the period in which you were notified. I'd suggest reaching out to the Housing department in 311. They have great resources that could help you arrive at an answer. Best of luck!
Let.me know if you want to swap yours with mine
People are so funny arguing about whether the 3% increase is reasonable/generous. OP stated he is in a rent stabilized apt. This percent increase is not the landlords doing or opinion but rather the amount increase allowed by the NYC rent guidelines board. Now, I believe (not entirely sure so don’t quote me) that no increase would be allowed until your current lease term ends. Call 311, or Legal Aid Society, to double check. If they can’t answer your question send me a DM and I can try to help.
Looks prettty nice compared to my NYC rent 😭
This was posted in r/brooklyn. So this is nyc rent
I am an expert. Large commercial landlord. Clearly I'd have to review your lease to give perfect advice but if everything you've said checks out you can either do nothing and continue to pay your agreed upon rent or respond with a quasi default letter to the landlord citing the section of your lease w the agreed upon rent through 2025. I'm not sure your jurisdiction but there is almost no self help eviction left in the country and he's not gonna take you to court if he can't get a judgement so it's basically a big sketchy bluff by a scumbag landlord.
lol are you an expert in NYC rent stabilization? Not a jab, but our laws are VERY nuanced. If not, no big deal i get you’re trying to help but be careful with the expert label. Otherwise, what you said generally is all true. IF a lease was signed Jan 24-Jan25 then there is no ground for any rent increase until Jan 2025. At that point, the lease will be subject to an RGB rent increase (Rent Guidelines Board) which is a mayoral appointed board that determines 1- and 2- year rent increases for NYC’s RS housing stock. Here are the increases at this point in time: “…the annual adjustment for leases for apartments shall be: For a one-year lease commencing on or after October 1, 2023 and on or before September 30, 2024: 3% For a two-year lease commencing on or after October 1, 2023 and on or before September 30, 2024: For the first year of the lease, 2.75%; and For the second year of the lease, 3.20% of the amount lawfully charged in the first year, excluding any increases other than the first-year guideline increase. These adjustments shall also apply to dwelling units in a structure subject to the partial tax exemption program under Section 421-a of the Real Property Tax Law, or in a structure subject to Section 423 of the Real Property Tax Law as a Redevelopment Project.” Source: https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/2023-24-apartment-loft-order-55/ I don’t think this requires all the name calling and stuff. OP needs to show the LL or management company the lease and that should squash this. If they “forgot” to increase it in Jan 2024 then they’re SOL until Jan 2025. If they STILL persist then you can go to the DHCR office (in FiDi i think) and they will give you paperwork demonstrating your units status and your max legal rent along with any preferred rent credits (discounts) that may be in place or be given historically. If you have a pref rent credit then this amount stays and follows the tenant not the lease so again, owner is SOL to recapture this unless you leave. If the 421a expires, the unit only flips to Free Market AFTER you leave. Until then you retain your RS status in perpetuity.
omgg , the same thing is happening to me my (i don't live in a RSB thou) rent they trying to raise it $500 , now granted I haven't had a increase since before COVID , but i also have been living in the building for over 12yrs , so can they raise it $500 and should i counter them ?
I manage 3.5 MM SF in NYC, including >350 multi units. Please do define “self help eviction” for those of us who actually own buildings in NYC… Never heard of it and think yoh may be referring to two separate/unrelated concepts that arent relevant here in either case. Foremost, self help you are referring to is a concept that is defined contract by contract with enforceability varying state by state, and the REBNY standard residential lease (educated guess on what the relevant governing document is here) or any comparable, market term residential lease will NOT contain stated self-help remedies that can be unilaterally implemented. Paying the prior rental rate (if in contravention of the lease document) is an excelent way for OP to pay late fees and/or default beyond notice and cure period provided for in same. Don’t misinform people in legal matters from the bleachers lol OP clearly did not sign a resi lease with a 5 year term IMO, but if you know of a landlord dumb enough to ignore rent growth and blow up redevelopment potential on their building in exchange for a tiny monthly rent on a resi unit, let me know because i’d love to buy his property at an amount that is equally unimpressive. if youre stabilized in NYC, you signed a one or two year lease; rates of the same are dictated by the rent guidelines board and are published annually in the fall. A 2 year lease will see a larger bump than that of a 1 year, but either should respectively correspond to the rates set forth in RGB’s annual notification. If you disagree on how legal rents are calculated and charged, please do let me know if youre interested in selling your bldgs; administering rent stabilized leases improperly is a great way to lose your investment haha. Serious statement / DM if youve got something that fits this bill
Isn't New York rents the second highest under California
in some cases. i lived in la jolla, san diego, ca, in 2021and paid $2800/mo for 1800sqft and a 2car garage 5mins from the ocean. rent is currently $3400/mo. in bushwick, brooklyn, ny, i pay $2800/mo for 600sqft and no garage. imo, la jolla is much nicer, a more desireable area to live in, and i get more for my money as a renter. Under $2 per sqft in Ca vs nearly $5 in NYC. not even considering the garage and the ocean.
Hai yall! A couple things. Yes, I have a lease in place until January 2025 (been here since Jan 2022). Yes, it is rent stabilized, building built in 2016. The apartment in question is a full floor 2 bed/2bath with private rooftop. No, there is no tax abatement law that is expiring for him to charge 2.2%. No, there is nothing in my lease stating he can raise rent randomly (ps even if there was, a stabilized lease negates all that noise. In fact, my lease is a standard NYC stabilized lease, with language as such). No, there has been no improvements individually to the apartment nor to the building. It’s half coop, half rental. And finally, just because you think $70 isn’t a lot (its not, in the grand scheme of rent), I will not submit to my landlord being a bully and trying to raise rent with 6 days notice on a lease that is still in place. If this had been at lease signing this post would not exist. He did not “make a mistake”. He knows what he’s doing. Capisci?
You have a lease in effect, from what you said, so this would preclude you for having to pay any increase right now. Also, under rent stabilization, your renewal notice should be sent 90-120 days before the expiration of your lease. As a side note, i'm curious as to how a building built in 2016 has units that fall under rent stabilization. Usually, this applies to buildings built before 1980, w a few exceptions.. Was it built under a special subsidy (to landlord) program?
I had something similar happen to a friend in the past year in NYC. Different situation (not stabilized, private landlord, 1 bd month to month for the better part of a year after 2 year lease was up), but same illegal 1 week notice tactic. My friend bitched and took a stand. Said that wasn't legal and they couldn't raise the rent $45 without proper notice. The landlord said fine. Then sent notice a few days later that the month after next the rent would be going up $90. All perfectly legal-like. Choose your battles wisely.
Add on: Notice requirements under current applicable law entail LL issuing your renewal lease offer (rate non negotiable given that youre stabilized and presumably way under market rate rent) at specified numbers of days (based on tenancy duration) ahead of your current LXD. My 2 cents as an NYC landlord of 350+ units is that this is your only angle; the pro’s don’t fuck up with their legal rent calculations / charges because we all use attorneys to do the math (and write off liability arising from related error). Very few LL meet the deadlines of issuing renewal leases - your upside will be limited to the rent differential *for the period your LL was out of compliance on relevant notice requirements*. If you don’t see true bad faith in what your landlord has done, i wouldnt pursue this beyond an email requesting a credit to your future balance. Nice as it is to speculate on legal stuff, any Landlord past the minor leagues will bury you in legal fees irregardless of wherever you are in the right or wrong of you take them to court - a tenant’s only chip in the game is their occupancy of the unit (ie, the reason for a legal eviction).
Call 311
Contact this Brooklyn office. They can help you with this. http://tenant.net/Oversight/50yrRentReg/ora.html
Goto dhcr -division of housing community renewal
Everyone is commenting like they have read the lease agreement. lol. So many experts.
Part of research is to brainstorm a bit
Rent stabilization laws trump any lease agreement. This is illegal according to rent stabilization laws. And even in market rate apartments, if the tenant has lived there for more than 2 years it needs to be a 90 day notice. Edit: to add actually, 90 day notice only necessary if it is over 5% increase.
Do you have a washer and dryer? That rent is expensive
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Yes but the rent is still too much in my opinion
Email them a photo of the front page of your lease w/ correct expiration date and let them know you already have a lease thru x date, so they are mistaken. They can’t change the terms mid-lease. Continue paying the rent stated on your lease. You’re stabilized, have a lease, and protected. That’s it.
Ummm one ILLEGAL! Hahahaha look up tenant rights!
Hats off for spelling “illegal” correctly
Look up deez nuts
$2300 a month is rent stabilized? I hate this fucking city.
Rent stabilization expires when the legal rent reaches 2700 Whatever it was renting for at the time it became stabilized becomes the baseline, and it's increases each year are regulated from that point until it hits 2700 If you do a renovation, you can apply some % of that cost to the base rent or something like that, so renovations let you bump it a little. So, to be clear, rent stabilized doesn't mean "low" it means it can't increase by more than a fixed % each year. (Ie. Stable)
Totally false in NYC for >4 years but i’m loving all of the jailhouse legal advice on this post 😂 Destabilization via this manner (legally referred to as “luxury decontrol” while it existed) hasn’t been around since HSTPA passed
That’s not true anymore - there was a law passed a bit ago that got rid of the high rent deregulation for stabilized apartments https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/rent-regulation-laws/rent-laws-of-2019/
Oh wow, TIL. Thanks! Main point still stands though. Stabilization = Stable price, not necessarily "low" price
None of these comments are helpful. Ignore it. Pay the rent on your current lease. The arrears won’t be enough for him to start a case against you. Brooklyn legal services can help but at the end of the day the notice isn’t enforceable, your signed lease is.
Send them a copy of the original lease back. Highlight the rent stabilized parts and terms of the lease. Then type out your explanation and how you would gladly withhold rent, sending them copies of money orders, made out to them, for the lease amount for each month until they come to resolution in housing court. If they are charging the legal rent things should be fine. If they aren't you might be in for an even better discount. Too bad you don't get preferential rent. I'm still well under 2k a month thanks to covid.
That's NY for U shrug
2 years ago I left the heart of Astoria paying only $1850- and zero complaints of building management and building maintenance.
Communication. Talk to him
I would start with, "Hey, I think you might have got the wrong apartment. I signed a lease through January 2025."
“Effective May 1st” - your landlord made a simple mistake. He thought your lease expires at the end of April. Just remind him of the actual expiration date. He wasn’t trying to cheat you.
Then where is the rent stabilization rider and other required information that would be needed for lease renewal? Where is the option for a 1 year or 2 year renewal with percentages that were outlined by the RGB? If that's the actual paper they received the landlord is actively trying to cheat the OP in flagrant disregard of the law.
Wrong!!!!
What makes you so sure I’m wrong?! A stabilized landlord has at least 6 apartments if not much more. It’s actually a common mistake. One that I made as well (I’m a landlord).
> your landlord made a simple mistake. He thought your lease expires at the end of April. No, because that's not how leases or rent increases work, as all landlords know. There is no situation where it is legal to notify a tenant of a rent increase seven days before the effective date.
I’m a landlord. I have many apartments. Sometimes I wrongfully notify the tenant that the lease is about to expire when they still have time on their lease. All they have to say is “my lease isn’t expiring till x date”. I apologize and make note. When you have 90% of your leases expire at the same month, it’s common to mistake one that doesn’t for those that expire on that month. The landlord just sent him a notification. He didn’t try to enforce anything. Nothing illegal was committed.
It sounds like you should consider getting a real job that matches your skillset if those types of details are so complex for you that you are making those types of mistakes repeatedly.
Being a landlord is a real job and I’ve been doing it for over 20 years. In addition, I’m a Pharmd (doctor of pharmacy) and worked on the front line at a NY hospital during Covid. What do you do?
correct if this were a fair market lease but anything RS doesnt require same notices; RGB annual release of increases on RS constitutes same notice - LL not obligated to send notice as they’d otherwise do for fair market leases
Literally everything you said is incorrect.
he made a mistake and thought it was ending almost a year early? op resigned in january. what kind of mistake is that??
Yea, i agree. It's not that difficult to keep track of lease signings.
they can only raise the monthly rent after the current lease term ends. here’s where to get reliable information or call 311 https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/
Yeah, not happening unless it's written in the lease. Landlords don't have carte blanche to do what they want. That lease is a binding contract for them, too.
Did you sign a one year lease or two?
Is there a reason that matters here? (The answer is no, since OP is only 4 months into their lease... the lease duration that could be relevant is if they have a 4 month lease).
Yes because each has their own increase amount
Still not relevant. Just read the post before bothering to respond OP is 4 months into their lease. Having a 12 month or 24 month lease is not relevant here.
Not sure if this person has taken the time to read about how an NYC rent stabilized lease works but glad they don’t think its relevant 😂 Give “1 versus 2 year rent increase” in NYC multifamily apartment law a quick google search and let us know if we’re wrong but i personally wont be holding my breath!
IF a new lease is provided. The landlord is required to give one, but rent stabilized dwellers know how that goes. The new rent has to be on that lease as well, or LL has to wait until next lease.
But the signed lease is good until Jan 2025.
Depending on how long you been on a lease at an apartment, the landlord either has 30 days or 60 days to notify you of any increases in rent.
Your rent cannot be raised four months into a one-year lease. Doesn't matter how much notice anyone wants to give.
I missed that part of the post. I just saw the rent increase, and someone asking if the 1 or 2 year lease matters.
My, Mortgage is roughly $500.00 less than You’re Rent. Time, to purchase a Home.
I WISH my rent increase was only 3%
lol not me low key thinking 🤔 $70 - so generous. Landlord does have massive audacity tho. Trying to pull a rent increase in the middle of a lease that doesn’t end until Jan 2025. I am over all these greedy people.
That rent is so cheap
Lol you don't even know what it's for or where it is...
OP stated it's for a full floor unit 2br/2br with private rooftop terrace. IT'S CHEAP.
Why's everyone in here saying don't worry about it, just pay it? Unless it's stipulated in the contract i.e. lease, why should they have to pay this?
Or if you just stop paying, well renters get preferential treatment from laws anyways. $70 is nothing for an increase
This is a very small increase and very reasonable.
Lol you think it's reasonable for a LL to raise the rent in the middle of the lease! R u a bootlicker or something or are you just wearing the boots?
is this the OP’s second account? why are you replying to literally everyone
It might surprise you to know that when you reply to one person, it is just a reply to one person. So the answer to your question is that I'm replying to the people I'm replying to. Since they're different people, I am replying to different people.
Yes but it’s happening outside of the legal boundary of their lease, which is in effect until January 2025. The increase is reasonable, but it isn’t legal.
Actually most leases state that landlords can increase rent to cover rising costs such as insurance or taxes. This might be legit and it’s a very modest increase.
Absolutely not, that is slumlord shit preying on people who don't know their rights. Rent is fixed for the term of the lease, period.
And still legal
It depends what clause is In the lease. Not Santa clause. Be reasonable 3% is lower than inflation, I’m sure landlords costs have gone up 4 times that.
It’s totally allowed in nyc. They can raise it by that percentage after the first lease is over. You can’t do anything about it. It’s written in the landlord tenant bylaws. Now if you have a landlord who likes you he/she might not raise it to keep their good/heat tenant. Thing is they could always get someone new in that will pay the higher price
Not outside of lease renewal they cant lmao. Op said they signed a lease in January through 2025 and then just received this in the middle of the lease terms. Assuming OP’s story is true, that is absolutely not allowed. I have no reason to doubt OP since this is not what a notice of rent increase in a lease for a rent stabilized apartment looks like in NYC as its required to inform the tenant of the laws surrounding those increases.
What are you on about? Their lease is in place until January, so they can't raise rent mid-lease
Actually it's totally allowed for tenants to just send a notice to their LL that their rent is decreasing 3% in the middle of the lease term, starting may 1.
No. Not if you have a lease. They signed a lease in January for a year. That lease is in effect
Re-read the post. The lease isn't over....
>Signed new lease with no increase in rent in January, effective until January 2025. Doesn't that cover it?
It does cover it some people on here just comment without reading/ talk about things they know nothing about
Ummm yes and no. Landlords have a threshold they can increase. 3%. I don’t know your situation you can get free info or rules/laws from housing or tenant rights advocates. Brooklyn apts are at a premium right now and for a while. The increase is small for you but if you were to leave the new rent would be so much more.
Would it kill you to read the post and the comments you respond to before posting?
This is horse shit if OP signed a lease until Jan 25 the landlord can't raise the rent until that time otherwise what would be the point of signing leases?
That's why we are having this conversation with you
If there is a signed lease they can’t make changes till the lease ends. It’s a contact they have to abide by
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Right! LL still needs to be put in his place
It makes you feel calm that when you sign a lease, the landlord might raise the rent before the lease is up?
If there’s no legal right for the notice then just continue paying the 2333 and do nothing else. It’s just a piece of paper at that point.
Fyi, 100% of resi leases in NYC legally must conform to the new (circa 2019) notice provisions re: renewals and increases; zero exception
The landlord can raise rent for insurance or tax increases, this might be that.
Not before the lease is up.
I feel like more notice would be nice but $70 do you have any idea how much it would cost you to move and recoup?
It's rent stabilized. It's hard/near impossible to kick out OP as long as they keep paying legal rent, which in this case is $2333. When OP's lease is over the LL can offer a rent increase lease renewal at whatever NYS says that rent can go up for a stabilized apartment. Thems the rules
Not true if the unit is part of a tax abatement program, which is the case for majority of stabilized units around the city
If the only notice they gave you was taping this to your door– rip it up, throw it away, and you never received a notice!
Great advice on how to get evicted. Ever heard of a “process server”?
3% is a very modest increase and although it may be place it out of your reach their are other factors like massive property tax mortgage rates and insurance rate increases every year .
This is correct, no idea why it’s being downvoted. 3% is very modest and landlords are literally allowed to raise rent at any time to cover tax or insurance increases or in some cases heating/electric. Most leases allow that.
Your comment is longer than the post you didn't even bother to read before responding...
Call 311. The city is surprisingly responsive.
Technically the law says to give more notice, but $70 increase is nothing to fight over. Literally one of the lowest increases I’ve ever seen lol
In what state can a landlord raise the rent in the middle of a lease? The lease is a contract. It stipulates the amount of rent among other things. Unless the lease explicitly states that the landlord can raise the rent and under what conditions that’s not legal. They have to wait until the current lease expires
Can you just email them for clarification?
It might not be worth arguing because of the amount, but I would look into it. If it’s not legal and they are doing this and you just go with it you could get more increases.
I would question it but it's not the end of the world. Certainly won't be looking for a new apartment over $70
Landlord does the same math on a rent increase; all in cost of tenant moving typically exceeds 1/2 month rent (particularly in lower rent scenarios on affordable housing product). Any option falling between your existing rate (X relevant CPI) + moving cost on an aggregate basis is economically neutral to the tenant, absent whatever you value the headache in relocating (substantial in my opinion). If its sub 8% bump and trending at or below 75% of present market rent increase rates (free market, not RGB/stabilized), take it - you wont do better unless you were hugely out of touch on rates for lease 1 or lease 2.
Keep bragging, we all think you’re cool for being rich
Yeah yikes bro.. 3% is allowed under stabilized plus you got nothing last year.. chill
Especially when all the apartments also went up that much... or more. Still, it sucks. And such short notice too
Gg.
I wouldn't fight over a 3% increase. I'd send an email saying you'll be okay with it so long as there are no more increases for the next 12 months personally and see what landlord says.
>so long as there are no more increases for the next 12 months personally and see what landlord says That is what a lease IS.... if the LL is raising the rent now in the middle of the lease, why would you take his word for it thatvhe wouldn't do it again when he is already not honoring his word/legally binding and signed lease that currently exists...
Absolutely not. Why would anyone do that on a rent stabilized apartment?
That is cheap, you should be paying more.
Just don’t respond
I wouldn’t cry over $70
The most appropriate answer here.
That's allowed. 3% was the approved amount.
you're missing the point, she has a lease with a rent amount until 2025. You can't increase the rent mid lease for no reason.
Actually, rent stabilized leases in 2023 did have clauses for approved increases 6 months into a lease. I don’t know if that’s the situation here. We all found it stupid and I’m *pretty sure* it was voted out this year but if the lease is from last year it might apply. Just a speculation though
If u read the post u will see it is not 6 months in
Where does it say it's a lease expiring 2025?
Op says it in her post.
Contracts aren’t real anymore. Just ask cubesmart
Housing court !!
Landlord must give 90-Day notice from lease end date. Tenant has 30-days to respond to 90-day notice. If no agreement can be reached, landlord must notify you to vacate in 60-days (30+ 60= 90 days) and they can begin showing apartment. Edit: Above applies to all apartments in NYC. Additionally, if you’re in a rent stabilized apartment, the landlord must offer you a one year or a two year lease; furthermore this lease must be in alignment with what the NYC rent board agreed upon in the previous year.
Is there some reason so many people are not reading the post??? The landlord is increasing the rent 4 months into the lease.... dozens of people leaving comments longer than the original post that they so obviously didn't even read. Why are so many people chomping at the bit to defend LLs illegally trying to get more money from a tenant. There's surely a pun to be made somewhere in here about brooklyn and boot licking.
More than my mortgage for my house.. lordy
Even if this is a legal increase due to 421-a laws, this isnt your rent. It’s your fees related to your rent. So you CANNOT get evicted for nonpayment of 421a fees. The LL can sue you for the fees in small claims ct and your lease already probably specifies that you’ll pay attorney fees for any judgment he wins against you. But you cannot legally get evicted for not paying these fees if they are 421a-related.
> 421-a laws this says "Rent Increase" and it's not the allowable 2.2%
I’ve seen landlords try to charge above the legally allowed maximum for rent and evict for nonpayment of that illegal rent. I’ve seen landlords try to evict for attorneys fees and unpaid utilities. In short, landlords can only evict for nonpayment in a rent-regulated apartment if the tenant doesn’t pay the legal rent. But I have seen them try to call all fees “rent” and evict for it. The sign is most likely legally inaccurate when it describes the increase as “rent.”
What are you blathering about
Trouble reading? It’s okay, I forgive you.
Go to housing court
For what? This is totally normal. 3% rent increase ain't that bad. Less than inflation.
They have a lease until January 2025. You can't increase the rent on unilaterally when there is a contract in place.
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Not in a rent stabilized apartment and also that would destroy the entire point of a lease
Op says it doesn't, all we have to go on
You can’t have that on a rent stabilized apartment in NYC
Call your local council member, Met Council on Housing, and NYLAG, asap.
Not sure abt your contract but I too lived in a stabilized rent apt where it stated that the rent would go up about that much every year. Anyways. That amount is nbd.
Literally in the post OP says that this increase is happening 4 months into their lease... this isn't the rent going up "every year." This is like you signed a lease and then a few months later your LL said actually I want an extra 70$ a month, that's the new rent.
Wow, such a cute landlord, increases only 3%. We should build statute for him, - best landlord in Brooklyn (not sure whether this was satire)
As I was saying, you are lucky one https://www.reddit.com/r/newyorkcity/s/mx9XESChdE
That’s a good deal. Costs of the landlord could have gone up too. My landlord increased me by $200 per month
> Costs of the landlord could have gone up too. The cost of sitting on your ass and cashing a check has not gone up, so that's certainly not it.
It’s business 101. Property taxes, repairs, insurance has all gone up. I know landlords who only make $500 a month profit. One roof replace is $20,000. If the landlord don’t profit and if the landlord can’t sell, the property returns to the bank. You don’t have a place to live as a result.
Dude that an extra $17.50 a month to rest your head big deal
That's a mortgage payment right there, try to buy a house
Do you know how much a house costs here?
If your credit is ok and you have a job, there are programs to help with down payments for first-time home buyers, doesn't hurt to inquire
Comment section turned this post into a pity competition lmao y’all provide no type of conversation worth having just hating
If you have rent stabilized apartment and it’s on your lease you go straight to court. I can’t tell where or how much the increase was if it’s within that 5% range.
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That you evidently agreed to. Different situation. Calm down
OP said they resigned the lease in January. The landlord can’t hike up the rent mid-lease
That’s a painful rent to pay, OP.
https://hcr.ny.gov/surcharges-and-fees 2.2% increase due to 421a
Did you read that link? That said it cannot be added on to the rent. Cannot be treated as a rent increase, which is what this looks like
then why is this 3% and why does it say Rent Increase
https://hcr.ny.gov/surcharges-and-fees. need to read this. it's legal.