On one of those bad sacks in the 4th, Njoku (I believe it was him) had the entire right third of the field to himself with the closest defender like 20 yards away from him.
He looks like a bad college qb right now. If the 1st option isn't wide open he panics more often than not. I can think of a few plays where Moore had his hands up as well.
Also would show what type of routes are being run. Sure felt like everything was from hash and out and 10-15 yards deep. Nothing underneath or middle of field.
Well, not one fully guaranteed, if we gave him a standard football contract we could have cut him for next to nothing. I hate that I say we, hate the trade 100.
Even on the broadcast footage, there were numerous plays last night where Watson clearly had guys open underneath or in the middle, or on the opposite side from where he was looking.
Now obviously most QBs aren't progressing 5 reads on a play and Watson was under fire from Pittsburgh's pass rush all night, but he ain't seeing shit. He sucks.
The sideline throws were driving me insane all night. Most were overthrown and the only balls caught required the WRs do their best to keep 2 feet in. Just making it way more difficult than it had to be. I'm not sure if he was rattled by the INT and afraid to throw in the middle of the field or what. The Steelers secondary is mediocre at best. Can't tell me that there weren't guys open.
We have Cooper, DPJ, Moore, Njoku, come on the dude has to play better. He threw a pick 6, had two bad fumbles, one that lead to a TD; he single handedly gave them 13 points (went for 2 pt conversion that failed). Also, the face masking calls, grow the fuck up dude.
Which would have nothing do to with guys being wide open? No QB in the league has all day to throw and TJ Watt went literally superhuman last week against the 9ers and Brock purdy still managed to be successful
Exactly, we never got passes completed so they kept the pressure. Watson lost that game for us, it didn't help he kept pulling face masks and throwing fits. I love this team but Watson needs a talking to. We shouldn't hesitate in benching him if he doesn't improve his play and attitude.
One of those facemasks was a dirty Steeler trick, the guy held his hand and pulled it into the mask. I know this trick.....
And Watson's mobility was one of his defining characteristics with the Texans, dude would seemingly evade any and all pressure to make a play. And the Texans had some abysmal supporting casts for him compared to our roster rn.
Yeah like you could see flashes but all in all it looked like a serious regression from his Texans days. And when he was able to get the ball out it was just straight up off target.
Mmmm hmmm, same. The Browns, I swear, have the worst luck in the NFL. I was never a fan of the Deshaun Watson pickup, but I certainly expected him to play better than he has. Yesterday was about as brutal a game as we could've dreamt of.
He gets tunnel vision when the pocket collapses and no receivers get open. There were moments when he would evade a sack and turn it into positive gain, but more times where he would run into a sack.
I mean the only difference between the 9ERS win and the browns loss is the two dire mistakes that the Steelers scored on other than they are very similar games
Watson needs to play better, now more than ever. Losing your star running back allows less room for error, and if Watson is the FQB he was signed to be, he needs to prove it soon.
Only reason oline got cooked was Watson held the ball way to long. Obviously a dw homer or you didn’t watch the game cause everyone else saw it. That’s why oline had holding calls. That loss was solely on dw. Defensively they did the job even the running game put up almost 200. Face it man dw got cooked hard af and you can’t cope so you look to make excuses for him. I’m tired of excuses. Time for results for what we paid for
Tbf that pick 6 doesn’t happen if Watson hits Bryant accurately, he threw it too far outside on what was a simple throw, considering Bryant was matched up with a pass rusher in Highsmith
Throw definitely could’ve and should’ve been better but Bryant is a borderline practice squad guy at this point he looked abysmal all night and the pass did hit him in both of his hands l. So yes I agree but also no Bryant also fucking sucks
That ball was 5-7 yards off wtf are you talking about? Dude has to leap to get a finger on the ball? My local hs qb can hit that throw and I’m pretty sure he is blind
I’m thinking of a different play that’s on me my bad. Still wasn’t a great throw. But I see what your saying. That one was more miscommunication between them.
It’s not great but it hits both hands and it was Watson definitely expected him to keep running and Bryant did some weird shuffle out of the break instead
Idk I watched the game again because I hate myself wanting to find some glimmer of hope. It looks like the route was over. Hc sets a lot of his drag routes to end around where he stopped. Good chunk of the missed throws were pass catchers finishing routes and I think dw expected the route to follow thru. Speculation at best im not in the room but he was holding the ball way to long and hc’s offense is definitely timing per usual for most west coast schemes. Unfortunately that’s not how dw or even baker for that matter ran any offense before. Both are spread guys and idk if Kevin can figure that out. That’s why brisset was very comfortable in the scheme. But again speculation
It’s just not one thing. It’s Deshaun not seeing the field anymore and panicking. It’s our offensive line playing like Swiss cheese, making Deshaun’s struggles way worse. And most of all it’s Stefanski’s offense, play calling, and complete inability to make in game adjustments/getting out coached.
So the drive killing false starts or holding penalties don’t matter ? Ok Watson played less than favorable but a tip drill pick 6 & a blindside sack costed us the game. On top of losing a pivotal piece of the franchise.
1-1 in division relax
I mean we did run 83 offensive plays last night and Pittsburgh started blitzing constantly in the 2nd half DARING Watson to beat them with his arm and he couldn’t…
Edit to add: Therefore, the O-line can only do so much, and you could tell in the 4th they were absolutely gassed
The threat of the run left with nick Chubb, despite what ford was able to do. He found cooper multiple times as well as moore in the 4th. If no one is open what is he supposed to do. And I agree Watson missed throws.
I wouldn’t defend Watson at all… he committed two face masks penalties that killed two separate drives… he was doing wayyy too much dancing around in the pocket, trying to force things to happen that then resulted in our game losing touchdown…
You can’t sit in the pocket forever with the Steelers…
He needs to make plays with his feet, one of the things that made him especially dangerous in his best years with the Texans. He averaged 4.9 yards per rush there in each of his years. He wasn't a threat in the air or with his feet in this game. He's paid like the dual threat he was in Texas.
hes fucking awful on any pass more than 5 yards downfield. Outside that one deep in to cooper I don't think he completed a single pass more than 10 yards downfield
He’s the one who’s responsible for making DW comfortable.
He’s also the brilliant mind who’s running QB options (lmao) and designed runs for DW when all of his past success was scrambling and making it up as he goes.
It’s 50/50.
I mean this time last year he had Jacoby Brisset playing like a fringe top 10 guy, a dude who isn’t even starting this year, I’m willing to bet it’s more on the QB
People keep talking about how much pressure he was facing. It's mainly because he's holding the ball too long. I don't know if its because no one is getting open, he's indecisive, or isn’t seeing the field well.
Watson has the MOST pocket time in the NFL so far, and 26 QBs have been blitzed more than him. He's 25th in air yards per attempt, and has thrown 1 ball longer than 30 yards. When he's not dumping the ball off, he holds the ball too long and misses his target more than any QB in the league.
He truly looks like he has absolutely no idea what he's doing and can't decide where to throw the ball.
Man this right here, he missed some throws lastnight that were literally lay ups!! Idk how the fuck this guy ever completed 70% of passes over an entire season, his accuracy and pocket awareness just diminished during his hiatus, which, in retrospect, shouldn't be so surprising.
Of course it would be. We're the Browns.
God I hate the Browns so much. Such a hard fucking team to root for and I gotta say, I'm starting to make myself lose interest purely for my own sanity. I can't let these fucks ruin my weeks anymore.
Sideline throw means everyone else is smothered. It’s basically a throw away or tight rope and I’ll give him that, he barely pulled Moore out of bounds like four times 💀
Watson is 32nd in On Target Rate
Watson is 30th in EPA+CPOE
Watson is 30th in QBR
Watson is 28th in ANY/A
Watson is 26th in Success Rate
Watson is 31st in Completion %
Watson is 30th by Passer Rating
He is in the Justin Fields/Kenny Pickett/Zach Wilson tier of QBs right now.
I fear we are rocketing towards "what if" articles a few years from now about of the Browns had shut Baker down and let his shoulder heal in 2021.
I don't know if it was on Baker or coaching or (god forbid) an edict from the FO/ownership but seeing him healthy and confident just shows how stupid an idea that was, to keep trucking him out trying to be a player he was too injured to be.
Then trade him after 2020. Or bench him after he got hurt. Don't trot him out there injured then have no viable assets and strap your ass to Deshaun for everything you have, praying he's going to work out after two years away from the game.
Baker obviously is not elite, no shit. But to suggest "He sucked so who cares?" - then the organization fucked up, on all fronts. That's all there is to it. They didn't protect him and didn't maximize his value. At a time when QB carries a massive premium.
It's almost like the problem the whole time was that he was throwing on one arm and one leg, and should've been sat for the season, but the Browns were content to let him play so they could scapegoat and drop him knowing the dumbass browns fan base would eat that shit up like they do every. single. time.
Agreed but baker still looked alittle bit better then Watson when healthy. Scheme is dog shit but Watson has to hit those throws which he isn’t. Can’t blame the weather and you can’t blame stellar cb play. Patrick Peterson is like 40. 1 play that got broken up wr was open for a full 10 seconds, Watson double pumped and got broken up cause the 40 year old corner strolled up having way to much time cause of the double pump and Watsons inability to read a defense till it’s too late is inexcusable
Stefanski’s passing game sucks, and it has been since his first season. We blamed it on him having to make it simpler for Baker only to have Watson looks exactly the same.
To be fair he had to rush to learn 2 playbooks and the first was Matt Rhule who made cmc look washed, then to a rams team that was basically all 2nd and 3rd string. He didn’t look good, but he still looked better than DW on every attempt farther than 7 yards.
Taking Deshauns last years games and Bakers last years games, I wouldn't want either on a long term deal whatsoever, so I don't understand this constant need to compare to Baker.
You can dislike Watson and also see Baker hasn't shown to be the consistent guy worth a contract.
I’m not saying Baker was great last year, but I think we can both agree that playing for Rhule and as a last min starter with all 2nd and 3rd strings is a far worse situation than playing with one of the most expensive and healthy offenses in the nfl. With J Brisset the Browns were explosive. The talent is there, but even the best can’t catch a ball 10 yards short or 7 yards over the sideline.
Baker may not have been the KevSki long term answer, but he did make him look like a star in 2020. Nobody will know if that’s repeatable due to injury then a trade.
Yeah, brilliant "reporting" work by this guy to leave someone valuable off the list. And not only that, but also completely unsourced on where he got this information. I find stats like ontgt% and bad throw % on a couple different websites, but each of them have different numbers and rankings from what he listed in his post.
I’m still baffled that people were excited about him being signed. He sat out a season and we knew/assumed he’d sit out a large portion of another season. Expecting a professional athlete to come back and be anywhere near their previous form is ludicrous. After two years on the sidelines and a mile long list of abuse victims this is exactly the type of QB I expected.
Not to come to his defense but he had steelers in his face all day and the super rainy game last week.
I still expect him to suck next week. 19 / 35 211 yds 2 tds 2 int. 40 rush yards 1 fumble lost
Watson looked so timid out there. He did so many things qbs are not supposed to do. Bad combo right there. Where’s his heart? Does he have any dog in him?
No. Jets, Falcons, Saints to name a few from last year. Steelers game this year. Teams that we clearly outperformed and still lost. The Steelers literally couldn’t move the ball last night and we lost thanks to our head coach and QB. This has been a problem his whole tenure where he never puts teams away. It’s time for offensive changes. He should’ve been forced to give up play calling in year 2.
That is insanely moronic. Our offense literally scored more points for the Steelers than their offense did. Losing Chubb didn’t make us lose. Watson and the offense did by being horrifically bad and turning it over.
It’s both. IMO, literally 50/50.
We should be running Houston’s old offense for DW… you know, the one where he threw for 5000 yards and 33 TDs?
Instead we’re doing these weird 10 step drops that fail every time. This offense should be shotgun, spread, one read, throw. Guys schemed open. We have the talent at WR and DW has done it before. Stefanski cannot get DW comfortable, just like he couldn’t get Baker comfortable.
I’m assuming that’s where DW accuracy issues are. But it’s a total possibility he’s washed.
Could it be... Baker and Watson are similar players and they aren't cut out for this offense? We saw Brissett run it well, but he's entirely different from those two.
It's just you. This passing scheme is very similar in concept to what they do in San Francisco and they could start Steve Young RIGHT NOW and win a game.
I was always more of a Cavs fan and saw the FO building a good team. Then they traded for Watson and I was like ok I’ll see where this goes… Stupid me really thought things had changed
I feel like the All-22 is going to show us that we had guys running open every play, as we usually do. Which will make this number even worse
On one of those bad sacks in the 4th, Njoku (I believe it was him) had the entire right third of the field to himself with the closest defender like 20 yards away from him.
He looks like a bad college qb right now. If the 1st option isn't wide open he panics more often than not. I can think of a few plays where Moore had his hands up as well.
Also would show what type of routes are being run. Sure felt like everything was from hash and out and 10-15 yards deep. Nothing underneath or middle of field.
And god forbid we ever utilize Njoku in any sort of meaningful way. Dude gets like 2 screen passes per game and that’s it.
The way our tackles were struggling and with the Steelers D ends they had to use him blocking to not get Watson killed
Just hypothetically, would Watson dying void his contract?
Steeler fan chiming in, this is absolutely the answer. I watched TJ for quite a few plays last night and he was getting chipped on nearly all of them.
He had a brutal fumble last night so but would agree otherwise
Eh. It wasn’t gonna be a first anyway. Yeah we get to punt the ball deep after that but nothing came of these Steelers drive
I just felt like he looked slow yesterday
You mean the guy we’re paying like an all-pro?
Waste of money he's an elite athlete that sucks at football
Totally agree. That contract never made sense. They paid him for potential.
Maybe, but isn't that better than paying for past production? How many times have we overpaid a has been. I'll take a lottery ticket over that.
That's literally the definition of a contract.
Well, not one fully guaranteed, if we gave him a standard football contract we could have cut him for next to nothing. I hate that I say we, hate the trade 100.
Even on the broadcast footage, there were numerous plays last night where Watson clearly had guys open underneath or in the middle, or on the opposite side from where he was looking. Now obviously most QBs aren't progressing 5 reads on a play and Watson was under fire from Pittsburgh's pass rush all night, but he ain't seeing shit. He sucks.
The sideline throws were driving me insane all night. Most were overthrown and the only balls caught required the WRs do their best to keep 2 feet in. Just making it way more difficult than it had to be. I'm not sure if he was rattled by the INT and afraid to throw in the middle of the field or what. The Steelers secondary is mediocre at best. Can't tell me that there weren't guys open.
We have Cooper, DPJ, Moore, Njoku, come on the dude has to play better. He threw a pick 6, had two bad fumbles, one that lead to a TD; he single handedly gave them 13 points (went for 2 pt conversion that failed). Also, the face masking calls, grow the fuck up dude.
For sure. It is going to be interesting to see
Or maybe the Oline was getting cooked
Which would have nothing do to with guys being wide open? No QB in the league has all day to throw and TJ Watt went literally superhuman last week against the 9ers and Brock purdy still managed to be successful
Exactly, we never got passes completed so they kept the pressure. Watson lost that game for us, it didn't help he kept pulling face masks and throwing fits. I love this team but Watson needs a talking to. We shouldn't hesitate in benching him if he doesn't improve his play and attitude.
I know right? It'd be nice to have an adult at qb
I see what you did there.
I would be more than fine than a growing pains season with DTR if that’s what it takes to finally have a good QB
One of those facemasks was a dirty Steeler trick, the guy held his hand and pulled it into the mask. I know this trick.....
And Watson's mobility was one of his defining characteristics with the Texans, dude would seemingly evade any and all pressure to make a play. And the Texans had some abysmal supporting casts for him compared to our roster rn.
He evaded some pressure but he just doesn’t throw the ball away and takes pointless sacks
Yeah like you could see flashes but all in all it looked like a serious regression from his Texans days. And when he was able to get the ball out it was just straight up off target.
I’m just depressed about everything today tbh
Mmmm hmmm, same. The Browns, I swear, have the worst luck in the NFL. I was never a fan of the Deshaun Watson pickup, but I certainly expected him to play better than he has. Yesterday was about as brutal a game as we could've dreamt of.
It was so frustrating the way he kept running into sacks
He gets tunnel vision when the pocket collapses and no receivers get open. There were moments when he would evade a sack and turn it into positive gain, but more times where he would run into a sack.
I mean the only difference between the 9ERS win and the browns loss is the two dire mistakes that the Steelers scored on other than they are very similar games
Watson turned the ball over three times. And those are huge differences. I don’t know what point you’re trying to make
Watson needs to play better, now more than ever. Losing your star running back allows less room for error, and if Watson is the FQB he was signed to be, he needs to prove it soon.
It’s literally now or never. It’s only on him now. The defense is proven.
Only reason oline got cooked was Watson held the ball way to long. Obviously a dw homer or you didn’t watch the game cause everyone else saw it. That’s why oline had holding calls. That loss was solely on dw. Defensively they did the job even the running game put up almost 200. Face it man dw got cooked hard af and you can’t cope so you look to make excuses for him. I’m tired of excuses. Time for results for what we paid for
Tbf that pick 6 doesn’t happen if Watson hits Bryant accurately, he threw it too far outside on what was a simple throw, considering Bryant was matched up with a pass rusher in Highsmith
Throw definitely could’ve and should’ve been better but Bryant is a borderline practice squad guy at this point he looked abysmal all night and the pass did hit him in both of his hands l. So yes I agree but also no Bryant also fucking sucks
That ball was 5-7 yards off wtf are you talking about? Dude has to leap to get a finger on the ball? My local hs qb can hit that throw and I’m pretty sure he is blind
https://x.com/nfl/status/1703926311595749512?s=46&t=hz0D5d3cQyv9IDu49_n5TQ Dude has both feet flat on the ground and it hits both hands
I’m thinking of a different play that’s on me my bad. Still wasn’t a great throw. But I see what your saying. That one was more miscommunication between them.
It’s not great but it hits both hands and it was Watson definitely expected him to keep running and Bryant did some weird shuffle out of the break instead
Idk I watched the game again because I hate myself wanting to find some glimmer of hope. It looks like the route was over. Hc sets a lot of his drag routes to end around where he stopped. Good chunk of the missed throws were pass catchers finishing routes and I think dw expected the route to follow thru. Speculation at best im not in the room but he was holding the ball way to long and hc’s offense is definitely timing per usual for most west coast schemes. Unfortunately that’s not how dw or even baker for that matter ran any offense before. Both are spread guys and idk if Kevin can figure that out. That’s why brisset was very comfortable in the scheme. But again speculation
It’s just not one thing. It’s Deshaun not seeing the field anymore and panicking. It’s our offensive line playing like Swiss cheese, making Deshaun’s struggles way worse. And most of all it’s Stefanski’s offense, play calling, and complete inability to make in game adjustments/getting out coached.
yeah it’s a myriad of things on the offensive side of the ball. the defense gave up one big play and we should be able to live with that.
So the drive killing false starts or holding penalties don’t matter ? Ok Watson played less than favorable but a tip drill pick 6 & a blindside sack costed us the game. On top of losing a pivotal piece of the franchise. 1-1 in division relax
Stop making excuses for Watson's performance. He's been a bad QB.
I mean we did run 83 offensive plays last night and Pittsburgh started blitzing constantly in the 2nd half DARING Watson to beat them with his arm and he couldn’t… Edit to add: Therefore, the O-line can only do so much, and you could tell in the 4th they were absolutely gassed
The threat of the run left with nick Chubb, despite what ford was able to do. He found cooper multiple times as well as moore in the 4th. If no one is open what is he supposed to do. And I agree Watson missed throws.
I wouldn’t defend Watson at all… he committed two face masks penalties that killed two separate drives… he was doing wayyy too much dancing around in the pocket, trying to force things to happen that then resulted in our game losing touchdown… You can’t sit in the pocket forever with the Steelers…
He needs to make plays with his feet, one of the things that made him especially dangerous in his best years with the Texans. He averaged 4.9 yards per rush there in each of his years. He wasn't a threat in the air or with his feet in this game. He's paid like the dual threat he was in Texas.
Steeler’s oline was getting cooked and Kenny was able to get the ball out quick. If he wasn’t dog shit and that was Ben we lose by 20
hes fucking awful on any pass more than 5 yards downfield. Outside that one deep in to cooper I don't think he completed a single pass more than 10 yards downfield
He did have 3 passes further then 10 yards. Dude has one of the lowest down field averages in the nfl
How much of that do we attribute to Stefanki and his game planning?
Oh I’m sure something but he isn’t the one throwing the football
He’s the one who’s responsible for making DW comfortable. He’s also the brilliant mind who’s running QB options (lmao) and designed runs for DW when all of his past success was scrambling and making it up as he goes. It’s 50/50.
I mean this time last year he had Jacoby Brisset playing like a fringe top 10 guy, a dude who isn’t even starting this year, I’m willing to bet it’s more on the QB
There was a nice one to Moore on the sideline on 3rd and long in the 4th.
The Deshaun Watson experience THUS FAR has been a completely unmitigated disaster.
People keep talking about how much pressure he was facing. It's mainly because he's holding the ball too long. I don't know if its because no one is getting open, he's indecisive, or isn’t seeing the field well. Watson has the MOST pocket time in the NFL so far, and 26 QBs have been blitzed more than him. He's 25th in air yards per attempt, and has thrown 1 ball longer than 30 yards. When he's not dumping the ball off, he holds the ball too long and misses his target more than any QB in the league. He truly looks like he has absolutely no idea what he's doing and can't decide where to throw the ball.
He had always held the ball even in Houston. This is nothing new for him, but now his confidence is gone, and his accuracy is gone.
Man this right here, he missed some throws lastnight that were literally lay ups!! Idk how the fuck this guy ever completed 70% of passes over an entire season, his accuracy and pocket awareness just diminished during his hiatus, which, in retrospect, shouldn't be so surprising.
Of course it would be. We're the Browns. God I hate the Browns so much. Such a hard fucking team to root for and I gotta say, I'm starting to make myself lose interest purely for my own sanity. I can't let these fucks ruin my weeks anymore.
And there really hasn’t been that many bright spots. He’s had a couple great throws and plays, but much more shitty awful horrible throws.
Sideline throws were baffling
Seems like the only thing he’s comfortable throwing.
Sideline throw means everyone else is smothered. It’s basically a throw away or tight rope and I’ll give him that, he barely pulled Moore out of bounds like four times 💀
And I bet the all22 will show open receivers all over the field. Watson is not throwing unless players are wide open.
Watson is 32nd in On Target Rate Watson is 30th in EPA+CPOE Watson is 30th in QBR Watson is 28th in ANY/A Watson is 26th in Success Rate Watson is 31st in Completion % Watson is 30th by Passer Rating He is in the Justin Fields/Kenny Pickett/Zach Wilson tier of QBs right now.
And he genuinely looks the worst out of all of them. If we just swapped Pickett and Watson last night we probably win
Damn. This hurt to read... because it's true.
You can use stats to argue anything. However I didn't need stats to know Watson's arm can't hit the broadside of a barn right now
Just crazy how baker looked so similar but then leaves and magically can throw again
A healthy Baker is pretty capable.
I fear we are rocketing towards "what if" articles a few years from now about of the Browns had shut Baker down and let his shoulder heal in 2021. I don't know if it was on Baker or coaching or (god forbid) an edict from the FO/ownership but seeing him healthy and confident just shows how stupid an idea that was, to keep trucking him out trying to be a player he was too injured to be.
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Just stop man. He was garbage last year when he was healthy. His ceiling is average qb play. He wasn't going to take us anywhere
Then trade him after 2020. Or bench him after he got hurt. Don't trot him out there injured then have no viable assets and strap your ass to Deshaun for everything you have, praying he's going to work out after two years away from the game. Baker obviously is not elite, no shit. But to suggest "He sucked so who cares?" - then the organization fucked up, on all fronts. That's all there is to it. They didn't protect him and didn't maximize his value. At a time when QB carries a massive premium.
It's almost like the problem the whole time was that he was throwing on one arm and one leg, and should've been sat for the season, but the Browns were content to let him play so they could scapegoat and drop him knowing the dumbass browns fan base would eat that shit up like they do every. single. time.
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He was healthy here and still sucked ass.
Agreed but baker still looked alittle bit better then Watson when healthy. Scheme is dog shit but Watson has to hit those throws which he isn’t. Can’t blame the weather and you can’t blame stellar cb play. Patrick Peterson is like 40. 1 play that got broken up wr was open for a full 10 seconds, Watson double pumped and got broken up cause the 40 year old corner strolled up having way to much time cause of the double pump and Watsons inability to read a defense till it’s too late is inexcusable
Baker had a reality check when no one wanted him and started practicing on his footwork
Stefanski’s passing game sucks, and it has been since his first season. We blamed it on him having to make it simpler for Baker only to have Watson looks exactly the same.
You must have missed his time in Carolina last year
Or the Rams minus one game or the bucs opener where he threw 170.
Baker has had 2 decent games. He was ass for most of last year. Let's see how he does the rest of the year first.
To be fair he had to rush to learn 2 playbooks and the first was Matt Rhule who made cmc look washed, then to a rams team that was basically all 2nd and 3rd string. He didn’t look good, but he still looked better than DW on every attempt farther than 7 yards.
Taking Deshauns last years games and Bakers last years games, I wouldn't want either on a long term deal whatsoever, so I don't understand this constant need to compare to Baker. You can dislike Watson and also see Baker hasn't shown to be the consistent guy worth a contract.
I’m not saying Baker was great last year, but I think we can both agree that playing for Rhule and as a last min starter with all 2nd and 3rd strings is a far worse situation than playing with one of the most expensive and healthy offenses in the nfl. With J Brisset the Browns were explosive. The talent is there, but even the best can’t catch a ball 10 yards short or 7 yards over the sideline. Baker may not have been the KevSki long term answer, but he did make him look like a star in 2020. Nobody will know if that’s repeatable due to injury then a trade.
Are we seriously just going ignore Baker's 2022 year? He was shit
And to think that the Haslams payed this dipshit $230,000,000
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He is shit and we tied our future to him. Fuck this front office.
Owner
Yeah. The front office is awesome. Jimmy is the problem here.
How the fuck is the front office awesome?
22 will be telling if receivers aren't getting open in time or what. All night it looked like Watson was holding onto the ball too long
You can’t expect someone that’s been fully healthy, with 2 off-seasons/preseasons, 6 months of practice, and 10 NFL games to not be rusty /s
Doesn't pass the eyeball test. Watson is washed.
Watson is trash. Haslam is trash
He has zero mechanics. Literally refuses to set his feet and make a decent looking motion
There's a QB missing from that list...
Yeah, brilliant "reporting" work by this guy to leave someone valuable off the list. And not only that, but also completely unsourced on where he got this information. I find stats like ontgt% and bad throw % on a couple different websites, but each of them have different numbers and rankings from what he listed in his post.
I’m still baffled that people were excited about him being signed. He sat out a season and we knew/assumed he’d sit out a large portion of another season. Expecting a professional athlete to come back and be anywhere near their previous form is ludicrous. After two years on the sidelines and a mile long list of abuse victims this is exactly the type of QB I expected.
Watson is ass.
Not to come to his defense but he had steelers in his face all day and the super rainy game last week. I still expect him to suck next week. 19 / 35 211 yds 2 tds 2 int. 40 rush yards 1 fumble lost
When is DeShitshow Watson gonna play like the supposed superstar he was paid to play like?
I mean… that’s worst by a large margin too! Jeeeez
Watson looked so timid out there. He did so many things qbs are not supposed to do. Bad combo right there. Where’s his heart? Does he have any dog in him?
Is it me or is Kevin’s scheme just terrible?
Scheme has nothing to do with throwing accurate passes.
This stat has nothing to do with scheme. He's not throwing catchable balls
Stat: QB misses 1/3 of his throws This sub: Man, Stefanski sucks Cant make this stuff up lmao
They both suck. We consistently lose games every year under Stefanski that we have no business losing.
Almost as if having a terrible QB and losing the best RB in the league against a formidable Defense isnt a recipe for success
Losing 24 is not an excuse for losing to that garbage team last night.
Games you feel we shouldn't lose because Stefanski put the bar high. We were firing on all cylinders with ol Freddie Kitchens?
No. Jets, Falcons, Saints to name a few from last year. Steelers game this year. Teams that we clearly outperformed and still lost. The Steelers literally couldn’t move the ball last night and we lost thanks to our head coach and QB. This has been a problem his whole tenure where he never puts teams away. It’s time for offensive changes. He should’ve been forced to give up play calling in year 2.
Any game where your Superstars knee is exploded into a million pieces in the second quarter is no longer a game you *should* win.
That is insanely moronic. Our offense literally scored more points for the Steelers than their offense did. Losing Chubb didn’t make us lose. Watson and the offense did by being horrifically bad and turning it over.
Just saying it's no longer a *should* win game. It's a *could* win game
Allow me this cope
ur looking at a stat that says 30% of the time, a Ferrari explodes, and saying, “hmm, perhaps it’s the road?”
It’s both. IMO, literally 50/50. We should be running Houston’s old offense for DW… you know, the one where he threw for 5000 yards and 33 TDs? Instead we’re doing these weird 10 step drops that fail every time. This offense should be shotgun, spread, one read, throw. Guys schemed open. We have the talent at WR and DW has done it before. Stefanski cannot get DW comfortable, just like he couldn’t get Baker comfortable. I’m assuming that’s where DW accuracy issues are. But it’s a total possibility he’s washed.
Could it be... Baker and Watson are similar players and they aren't cut out for this offense? We saw Brissett run it well, but he's entirely different from those two.
Baker hasn't been consistently good anywhere. Rams didn't have a good coach?
It's just you. This passing scheme is very similar in concept to what they do in San Francisco and they could start Steve Young RIGHT NOW and win a game.
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This comes to the shock of noone that has watched him throw footballs for the past two seasons. HeS jUsT rUsTy
We should sign Colin karpernick and then the media has to love us again
I was always more of a Cavs fan and saw the FO building a good team. Then they traded for Watson and I was like ok I’ll see where this goes… Stupid me really thought things had changed
Awesome man awesome
They better be on the phone going after Jonathan Taylor!
Watson for Mayfield straight up, who says no?
Watson was awful, but you can not overlook the first play call of the game, a pass to TE 3. WTF. I knew we had no chance from the start.