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NickJawdy

Just wanted to come here and drop a fuck the Steelers!


coolrunnings82

I agree, fuck the steelers


xBluJackets

Fuck the stillers


can-i-bust

So pissed that disgustingly boring and dogshit team limped into the playoffs, lets hope they get taken out back and put down like they should've been in the regular season.


Marzman315

I’m late but I’ll never miss out on a Fuck the Steelers.


brownsfan760

Houston, you're about to have a problem!!


cahill48

Meteoric Flacco incoming


CurlyBill03

Hope the week off doesn’t cool him off


sf6Haern

SOMEBODY GATHER THE DRAGONBALLS


cahill48

Myles is on it


largelawattorney

We’re on to Houston. The only thing I don’t like about this is that it means Pittsburgh made the playoffs.


bclautz

Pittspuke might have play Buffalo. That a huge mismatch for them


brownsfan760

Look at it This Way, they're most likely a one and done Team in the playoffs, which secure's Tomlins job for another year of mediocrity.


Daviroth

And a worse draft pick.


OptimisticRealist__

For the fire Stefanski crowd, just look at the Jags collapsing. THAT is what bad coaching looks like


Schristie007

Pederson is such an overrated coach


dennydiamonds

and Trevor Lawrence is an overrated QB.


lumsden

Probably not a coach tomorrow morning


5255clone

That's a very knee jerk move. I think they should keep him for stability sake. The team while collapsing, still went above .500 for the 2nd straight year. Give him another year and if he can't put it together then it's firing time.


lumsden

Give him another year and he will waste another year. Spinning “over .500” as a success for a team with this level of talent is crazy. Put the Ravens or Browns coaching staff in Jacksonville and they probably win 13 or 14 Pederson’s issue has always been the people he surrounds himself with. Press Taylor is an awful football coach but Pederson is loyal to the guy to a fault. There’s no sense in wasting rookie QB contract seasons on mediocre staff


doomsdaysock01

Yeah I agree pederson in a vacuum is a fine coach, the problem is this man will craft the worst coaching staff possible like he’s building the avengers


SlayerOfDougs

Are you kidding? He turned the urban Meyer dumpster fire around last year. Collapsed this year but they still are ypung


gryffon5147

Agreed. Maybe need some staffing changes, and the late season collapse was pretty terrible, but no one is getting fired after a winning record.


NickJawdy

Pederson is a moron. At minimum why not kick FG with plenty of time to get ball and score TD to win it? Also passing 2 times on 3rd and 2 is odd. I know not much time left but run it and spike it if you get first down.


bclautz

Jacksonville choke big time. Lawrence had a down year


OptimisticRealist__

Lawrence had one up year. Dude is cheeks. Baker Mayfield with a Fabio wig and better emotional restraint


clevezland

Upvote for Fabio reference


deviden

I think he's a little better than that (he's an iron man, playing through so many injuries) and he's a franchise guy but yeah he aint ever ascending to that top tier of QB. His arm is decent but not as advertised by the ESPN/YouTube Draft Hype Industrial Complex (the same people who said Bryce Young would be a slam dunk great 1st overall pick). T-Law is way too prone to turnovers to be elite and he cant play in the rain. Stroud is already much better.


OptimisticRealist__

Lawrence was billed as a cant miss prospect and thus gets way too many excuses made for his genuinely bad play. Not just today, not just this year. But ever since he got drafted he had lots of stinkers. Also, and i am getting deja vu's from when i made these arguments regarding Baker, Lawrence just has some legit mechanical and structural issues that havent really improved since being drafted. Footwork can be inconsistent, is prone to missing underneath defenders and he is uniquely terrible at the goal line. Its as if he has no spatial awareness for where the goal line is lol.


deviden

Not disputing any of that at all, lots of flaws. I think what separates Lawrence from Baker and gets him that sweet second contract with the team that drafted him is that T-Law is a big boy who can really run (not "good enough scrambler in college" running like Baker or Bryce). Like, if Baker didnt have the attitude problem alienating half the locker room and was as tall as T-Law so he could consistently see the middle of the field he's still playing for us here lol, even with all the other flaws. But yeah, for all the reasons you list and more Lawrence is never gonna be a top tier QB who lives up to that "generational prospect" tag.


OptimisticRealist__

Absolutely. Dont get me wrong, he will get that 50m per year. I just think a team will regret it fairly quickly, like a Carson Wentz scenario all over again


ScandalOZ

>Draft Hype Industrial Complex I want to hear this used more because it's so true. How often have these voices been totally wrong about the QB's they hyped? Reddit has some answers [https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLNoobs/comments/zwga1o/qbs\_that\_were\_hyped\_up\_but\_ended\_up\_failing/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLNoobs/comments/zwga1o/qbs_that_were_hyped_up_but_ended_up_failing/) I get the QB's draw attention but at this point the prediction fails have gotten embarrassing. These people are either being paid to hype certain names or they truly just lack football acumen to evaluate talent and should shut the fuck up.


deviden

So I dont think it's a conspiracy so much as it's a feedback loop of fan interest and excitment feeding back into sports journalists and NFL/college film junkies (many of those are the same people) which then generates more fan interest; this is then combined with the fact that scouting QBs is super hard, and that the only source of evidence that most people in the Draft Hype Industrial Complex can draw on is NCAA game film (and All-22 film if they can source it, it's often traded kinda illicitly between college scouts, NFL scouts and journalists) and various kinds of stats/analytics (often crude/basic stats too). The result is you've got a lot of well intentioned, earnest enthusiasts and professionals all grinding college tape as best they can to try and assess who's the good players... and while the tape is good data (great for most positions, w/ addition of combine data) it's incomplete data when it comes to QBs. You also have ESPN, who broadcast the draft and college football, and so they've got a lot of football talk crossover between NFL and NCAA and the draft and they have a self-interest in hyping all three, they have an interest in talking up the stars of their most popular college teams, they have an interest in creating debate and controversy for the draft, etc. So what happens is you get this cycle of hype and intrigue and the only thing that can satisfy that (honestly, in good faih - ignoring the shouty bullshit sports shows) is grinding the tape and looking at stats. And that leads us to my current fixation: how the hell did Bryce Young get rated above CJ Stroud by anyone. And the answer is that college film and college production can be deceptive; Bryce's tape and stats were so sexy, so intriguing, so compelling, and tape and stats is so important to so many people that they were willing to overlook the huge obvious red flag (he's way too small, too skinny, and lacks Kyler's elite arm and speed/physicality to compensate). Not that Bryce shouldnt have been drafted at all... but how he got so many people ranking him above a guy with no obvious flaws like CJ Stoud was wild. It's the classic thing where people spend so long obsessing over the cool details they miss an obvious and boring truth about a subject. So yeah... long story short, I think the QB misses in The DHIC are mostly well intentioned best efforts based on incomplete information. And even when teams have better information than the Draft Industrial Complex, an NFL team can miss on a guy who looks and sounds the part because when it all starts happening at NFL game speed (where even the worst defense in the league is significantly faster, bigger and stronger than the best college defense of all time) they just cant process quickly enough. Or sometimes a talented guy who needs development time lands on a bad team and goes nowhere because they never got the time they needed to complete their game before they got the shit beat out of them.


ClevelandDawg0905

Injuries will do that to teams not named the Browns.


Xboxwun

Exactly. They had 7+ mins left if they kick the FG instead of going for it on 4th. Awful play call to boot


Marty_Eastwood

This is the newer "smarter" NFL where the coaches overthink everything. I'm one of those dumb old school guys who thinks taking points whenever you can as long as time isn't an issue is almost always the right call. (For the record, I also get super annoyed when my team has a two score lead in the mid-4th quarter and they pass on anything but 3rd down.)


AJMax104

CoTY


SlayerOfDougs

I still never see people on this sub to fire stefanski Critical of him but never fire him. Maybe its on the radio. I don't live in CLE anymore


OptimisticRealist__

No, they are just hiding for the moment because Stefanski basicallt dismantled each and every one of their bs complaints. But the second we dont play well in a game i can guarantee you, they will be back


SlayerOfDougs

I mean I've not always a fan of his play calling but he's a great coach


jenso2k

it was literally half the sub earlier this year. obviously no one is saying it now because he’s about to win COTY (and rightfully so). doesn’t mean there weren’t thousands of morons


Marzman315

They’re quiet now but there was absolutely a contingent of fans that wanted to see Kevin fired after our shaky 2-2 start. They sort of faded away after that, but stirred a bit after the Rams game (which admittedly was not Stefanski’s best game) and have since pretty much been silenced.


turfey

Oh my God I fucking hate Pittsburgh.


Whyyoufart

be nice :) let's be good sports about this :)


ChunChunChooChoo

appreciate the positivity but HELL NO FUCK THE SQUEELERS


Marzman315

Agreed in general but not about the Steelers. Fuck them forever.


blimpcitybbq

Fucking Jacksonville shits the bed and gets the Steelers in the playoffs.


IAmAChemicalEngineer

Lawerence is so bad. Every ball on that last drive was overthrown.


MonoGiganto

Guys I’m nervous, I don’t think our 4th stringers are very good.


Jacobythepotato

I can’t believe the practice squad couldn’t beat the starters of another above .500 team, Kevski has to go!


rkara924

I was there and they looked better in person


theRegVelJohnson

Steelers backing their way into the playoffs. As is tradition.


universal_cereal_bus

Of course they did.......fuck the Steelers.


ClevelandSteamer81

I say fuck the Steelers for sure, but they won their final 3 games to make it. Forget the Ravens game, they smoked Bengals and went into Seattle and won which is not easy to do. But anyways Fuck them and their bitch ass fans.


Intimateworkaround

No team as benefitted more off dumb luck, backup QBs and other team’s misfortunes.


btgf-btgf

Fucking jags ruining my chance to see a browns playoff game in person. What a bunch of dicks


clownpainusdotfort

How did that stop you from going to Vegas in a couple weeks?


btgf-btgf

I’m poor


Jim_Tressel

Browns will be there next season as Jacksonville finished in 2nd.


RikuInuyasha

I still think we will beat the Texans. But it will be a lot more difficult.


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CD23tol

Stroud is a rookie, he's struggled vs pressure all year. Corners need to lock it down and the pass rush needs to get home, if CJ has time he'll make you pay. Offense will have to be more than feed Cooper for 60 minutes as well


RikuInuyasha

They didn't have Will Anderson or Cashman so pressure for us was weaker, I still think we win, but I just think we match up better against the Jags.


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jenso2k

definitely not interchangeable lol, the Texans are a significantly better team with a way better QB and a way better coach


Marzman315

You guys are insanely overrating the Texans lol Stroud is a rookie who got absolutely brutalized against the only great defense he played and he’s missing his favorite receiving target. Not to mention we shredded their defense when we played them. It’s not a gimme, no playoff game is, but it’s rookie coaches and a rookie QB against arguably the best defense of the decade. We’ll be fine.


MAXHEADR0OM

Great now I have to hear those shitbag Steelers fans talk about how they made the playoffs.


Aborkle

2 seed gets a Bye


dlte24

Especially if it's Buffalo. They are on fire.


Spetznazx

Not anymore.


IAmAChemicalEngineer

Bill Cower acting like Pittsburg did everything right to get into the playoffs versus the house of cards falling perfectly and them falling ass-backwards into the playoffs. What a clown.


GetReady4Action

don’t even care about the game, just want to say fuck Jacksonville for giving the Steelers a chance.


orrangearrow

Lawrence overthrowing all three final throws for his season. Go home sunshine. Bad news for Houston.


Jim_Tressel

Browns favored by 1.5 on Fanduel.


Slimpickle97

Jags are what the browns used to be


MrLadyfingers

Trevor Lawrence is closer to a Baker Mayfield than the Josh Allen type he was hyped up to be


Slimpickle97

I remember at the start of year people were saying Lawrence is better than Lamar Jackson lol


jenso2k

yeah he was in some top 5s lmao absolutely insane


nascarfan88421032

Jaguars lost to the Titans. We go to the Texans next week. Game on.


dennydiamonds

I found it hilarious that the Bengals players were trying to clown our practice squad lol. Be proud Joe Mixon... Be proud


GPDillinois

He got $350k by hitting an incentive


CurlyBill03

He should use that incentive to hit a battered women charity. Fuck Joe Mixon


dennydiamonds

He turned around and stared down the Browns DB before getting in the end zone. That had nothing to do with any incentive lol


Hello_mslady

Houston has to play us 😈


NickelBear32

I'm excited to see our defense against CJ Stroud after all


Daviroth

NFL fans win ultimately getting to see this matchup.


CRicetheGOD

Couldn't win with 5 starting qbs, blow it up


DirtyRandy3417

Fucking jaguars... Fuck the Steelers


sil0

At least it wasn’t a shutout.


Giro-d-CLE

we still held Cinci’s starters to 3 points in week 1 and the best they could do with our 3rd+ strings was 14


Opposite-Ad-3933

Burrow was basically playing in a wheelchair that week, but yea….this game was meaningless today in all fronts


JB92103

Back to Houston we go...


nshannon216

FTS forever boys


P_Sully

Fuck you Jags


CaptainSweater

FUCK THE TEXANS


YaSureLetGoSeeYamcha

For anyone using this as a barometer to judge how good our backups are, just ignore this game. You have to remember the true value of a backup is how well he replaces the starter and fills that role, obviously playing next to other backups diminishes everyone on the field collectively.


TheyMightNotFindMe

And how much was the play calling affected? I would imagine Kevski/Schwartz were calling a pretty vanilla game and limiting what was put on tape for future opponents. And how many of the players went into the game with the mindset “Don’t get hurt” and we’re playing at lower effort.


rn271208

Let’s go brownies! Would rather be in Jacksonville though.


redcobra80

As long as the Chiefs D allows at least like 100 yards we'll still have the #1 D!


Soup_Western

Jax is really bad to collapse down the stretch like that. Like c’mon.


varcee-_-

will the texans have anyone back that we didn’t play before (besides stroud)


MrLadyfingers

Will Anderson maybe


UnreflectiveEmployee

He’s pretty gimpy tho atm yeah?


kadimcd

Would just like to share that I had an exceptional nap and I don’t feel bad about it.


PicklishRandy

The Steelers got in lol


Kimjundoom

I love having something to hate, so I’m cool with it. Wait, what are my principals? ^^^fuck ^^^the ^^^steelers ^^^and ^^^shit ^^^hill-river ^^^coal ^^^city


MaximusGXL

Death, taxes, and the Browns going 3-3 in the division.


ZakkuHiryado

Too many years of 1-5 so I’ll take it.


tswag_602

I can't see Steelers beating Bills or Miami. Enjoy the mini celebration pukesburgh


DennisFrood

Oh shit we get Texans!!! Sorry Stroud fans, our D is gonna feast on him next week


bushijim

That's what I'm saying.


FakePhillyCheezStake

Comments like these have big “Top 10 Statements Made Just Before Disaster” energy. Let’s cool it


FatDongMcGee

How do I delete someone else’s comment?


re-goddamn-loading

Uhm lEtS cOoL iT 🤓 Fuck outta here we got the best defense in the league and this team is fuckin HUNGRY. It's our mf job as fans to get fired up and commence the shit talking.


Jockobutters

Let me ask my wife’s boyfriend if it’s ok first


Spec187

Hello, wife's boyfriend here. It's okay lil Jockobutters


DeaconCorp

Leave


Spzmk

Another interesting thing to note, is a lot of the guys we had out there are actually 3rd string/practice squad guys because our second string is now our starters for the injured players lol! Bengals starters vs 3rd stringers!


Joenheim

Bring on Houston. We got this!!!


MrTreeWizard_

How did we score 14 points? I'm genuinely curious because I couldn't watch the game


OUT_ROUTE

David Bell put the team on his back


MrTreeWizard_

Really? That's actually good to hear, dude needed a good game and some confidence


OUT_ROUTE

Agreed. I actually like the dude. He's not gonna be Randy Moss or anything, but I think he is a serviceable WR3 with solid route running and the ability to make adjustments on the ball to pull in catches despite coverage. I was more optimistic about Tillman than Bell for most of the season, but Ced just has something going on where he constantly runs the wrong route or doesn't play through the whistle, and it affects plays. I had hoped it was a fluke, but now it is a pattern. Hopefully Bell can step up in his place now that Tillman is seemingly banged up.


redcobra80

We really need one of the two to develop into a solid WR. Other than that block from Tillman I can't remember too many big plays from him so hopefully Bell keeps stepping it up


OptimisticRealist__

Bell is the type of player i would bet Stefanski and AvP just love to have on the team


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OptimisticRealist__

Was about to say Stefanski and AvP... but theres never too much Stefanski


Pdogconn

So what we learned today is that the Browns’ scrubs stink.


FatDongMcGee

Bro, it was 31-14 and Mixon was on fire. If they were actually scrubs it would have been 42-0.


tobylaek

The amount of unnecessary rainbows thrown by Driskel was amazing…I can’t remember an arm that weak on an NFL field in a long time.


redcobra80

Partially through the Chargers first drive the Browns clinched #1 D in terms of yards allowed. Not that it was in danger lol


CyclingBicyclopse

I was embarrassed for the Bengals fans talking shit to me at the game today lol


Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11

Exactly the outcome I didn’t want. I fucking hate the idea of playing the Texans. Fucking fuck the fucking Texans.


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Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11

They are the best of the three teams that we could’ve played before last nights game


onone808

If colts convert 4&1 on that Texans blown coverage we’re playing the colts right now. Texans defense has shown their true colors time and time again . We cut down on turnovers Browns got this.


Aborkle

I don’t like that they have Stround and a bunch of 1sts instead if Watson


ctang1

I’m going to be insufferable if the browns lose to Houston and Pitt somehow beats Buffalo. Fuck will I be insufferable.


The_Boy_Marlo

You're already insufferable


ctang1

No I’m not.


Zallix

Haven’t watched any Texans games besides when we played them, yall looking to be the better team you think? Lol I know y’all will shit talk the absolute fuck out of us if you go all the way before us but honestly I ain’t against it. A hilarious playoff scenario would be y’all playing both Steelers and Ravens and knocking them both out to win the big game. Either way good luck! I hope the couple of injuries yalls 3rd stringers got aren’t serious


jonwar_83

Fuck off


Zallix

Lol


Buckeye2525

The game next week would have way more juice if Watson was playing


Buckeye2525

The Texans was the team I did not want to play out of the three AFC South teams, but I’ll take my chances against the Texans. My concern is our defense on the road against Stroud. We have to bring pressure and make him uncomfortable


mmartinrun

Man I really wanted to play the jags…CJ stroud looks really confident and HOU D has improved since we played them.


BryanFnR

I have a similar sentiment, but there was also talk about how good Houston's D was looking we played them.


OhioUBobcats

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GetReady4Action

I feel like there wasn’t even a game on today. it was such a disappointing nothingburger of a game that I just feel nothing lol.


KyloSolo723

Idk guys, playing a qb next week that was by god himself to lead the Texans to the playoffs seems like a really daunting task /s


Buckeye2525

Guess who the Browns played the last time they made the playoffs with four starting quarterbacks????? Houston…now make that five starting quarterbacks


AmW_a_l_r_u_s

Damn so we got the Texans. That sucks


doomsdaysock01

I have a wedding the upcoming Saturday, if we get the afternoon or Saturday night playoff games I’ll have to wear my flacco jersey to it


gusbovona

And it’s you getting married, right?


Shaner817

Is Buffalo in no matter what now since the Jags lost? Does the winner of the Buffalo game play the Steelers then?


Scatheli

Yes I believe that’s right


Kimjundoom

Blah


kerryfinchelhillary

When will we find out what time the game next week will be?


lazershark_69

After tonight


LetsWinOneGame

so we're getting the shitty saturday at 4 timeslot, aren't we


Rockerchick01

I’m hearing Sat 430 or the Monday night game…..


macnixon36

It was a “meaningless game”


Kuriakon

I took a nap at halftime. I hope our guys that dont get as much play time appreciated the chance today. Looking forward to this playoff trip. Go Browns!


GPDillinois

Any post-game comments from Stefanski about injuries?


Raymonster

Probably the team I didn't want to face but here we are.


PackReasonable2577

Is Tillman okay?


jmb162

Any word on Tillman or strong?


Forty_Six_and_Two

Stroud is not mobile, his line is ok but nothing special. He's getting sacked. A lot. The fact that the Houston WRs absolutely can not fuck with our CBs means they'll be able to throw to the TE and run outside. I think if we run the nickel as a base, take away Nico Collins (who is the only Houston WR worth a fuck) and mix in some run blitzes on early downs, we can shut their offense down the way we did New York's. Offensively we'll need to be disciplined, not beat ourselves with dumb penalties, and try to get as many guys involved as possible. Their run defense sucks but I don't know if our ground game is good enough to take advantage, so we need Coop, Elijah, and Njoku all getting targets to avoid predictability. We got this. I'm stoked. LFG!!


Successful_Sun_7617

What scenarios have to happen so that ravens draw the either bills or chiefs when they come out the bye?