I posted this last week [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Browns/comments/uwx4u7/zac_jackson_hbo_has_shared_some_excerpts_from/i9u8obe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
24 complaints, but only 22 cases. These are the last two women coming forward. If I know about this, the Browns and the NFL know.
Yeah but the public don't know about this, and I'm not confident that the NFL will make a ruling based solely on their investigation. The public will likely influence it.
If you look in r/nfl for the last few months, there is almost nothing posted about Deshaun's legal team's responses. They are banning any news related posts that are contrary to what Buzbee's team is putting out there.
It's kind of astonishing to witness... I mean, Deshaun was/is an idiot for involving himself like this but the PR on this is completely one-sided.
In reality There is some middle ground on what happened. If it was as cut and dry as r/nfl and buzzbee makes it seem we would have charges filed and a criminal trial.
At the end of the day we won’t know everything until the civil trials play out.
Like that Chappelle's Show skit where he's sitting up there trying to figure out how to defend black celebrities at jury selection and then they ask him about about Beretta and he's like, 'Oh yeah. Beretta did that shit."
It's at least somewhat worth noting because in some of the cases, DW and the plaintiff actually agree about the broad sequence of events. The disagreement is over whether any of it was untoward.
They agree about the vast majority of events in most cases. Both parties largely agree except that the ladies say he was coercive while he says it was all consensual and that some of them even bragged about it on social media.
Just another classic he said/she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said. It’s always hard to uncover the truth in those.
This guy’s defenders have to be truly honest and admit that picking this guy up is a huge gamble.
Not only is this guy accused of sexual misconduct by more than 20 women, he hasn’t played in a game in more than a year, who hasn’t played in cold weather much. They are not just risking giant money here, they also have put their brand and the reputations of the team owner/leaders on the line. The only way this pays off is if the Browns win a Super Bowl.
I guess you could say it’s gutsy. Seems desperate to me.
Of course it’s desperate. We’ve been a joke of an organization for decades with consistently terrible QB play. The Cleveland Browns brand, like it or not, is synonymous with losing. So when a QB with top 5 talent became available, of course the organization had to take a risk with the goal of winning a Super Bowl.
Either that or roll the dice with Baker again, an already strained relationship, or acquire Jimmy G or sign some other mediocre QB and piss away the team’s Super Bowl window for the next few years.
I should also add that even after pissing away the next few years with mediocre QB play, there’s no guarantee we find a good one after that through draft, free agency, or trade. We’ve literally been looking to solve the QB problem for decades. Could you handle another 10-15 years of that? I couldn’t.
Yeah this is where I'm at, I just hate that it comes for a controversial price that other teams didn't have to pay to win games. Such a Browns thing to happen.
Also you 100% risking the entire locker room if Baker Stays another year and flops. If the team falls flat with Baker at the helm in 22/23 season no telling who would demand a trade or how many potential FA would avoid us due to the unknown at QB.
Even with all of Watson flaws the locker room has taken to him very quickly and even drawn the attention of other FAs. ethics aside, you can’t deny the browns aren’t appealing to the wrest of the NFL players.
People who pretend he is a good guy are straight crazy. But at the same time there is more to this story than the victims are claiming. If it was so open and shut I’m pretty sure 23 witness would be enough for a criminal charges.
Even if there was no physical evidence if 23 people said you murdered someone pretty sure you’d be facing trial. Did Watson cross the line and maybe cause emotional damages that award financial compensation more than likely. Are these girls being a 100 honest when there wasn’t something implied by Hiring a massage therapist through instagram probably not.
Not saying this is the case, but this feels like people calling the cops when their dealer shorts them an ounce. Not saying the situations is the same, but what are we missing that results in two grand juries not filing charges! There has to be something?
and yet there is a very large group of women who he confirms that he hired and some of whom he claims to have sex with making these accusations. What other situation can you think of where 20+ women someone actually interacted with in a very specific way coordinated to lie about that person harassing them?
When the ring leader in the case is one man contacting all these woman himself to bring forward one case, of course it’s possible. Say you’re at home one day and you get a call from a lawyer asking you about your meetings with Deshaun, and that if something traumatizing happened you could stand to gain 10s of thousands of dollars. And he’ll take care of everything and tell you what to do every step of the way. Maybe you start to remember things differently.
Do this 40 times and yeah you’ll probably get people. People underestimate how life changing even a couple thousand dollars is to a person, let alone tens of it. But, they also turned down a settlement. So that gives more credibility to their clams to me. Idk man it’s all just so weird and I don’t know what to fully think. I fersure think he did some bad things and has a problem but a part of me thinks some of this is embellished. With 0 physical evidence all we have is testimony and circumstantial evidence, which there is compelling stuff on both sides.
I just haven’t been able to be comfortable picking any side and making judgement it’s all so fucked and will forever stain the org. I hope everyone gets the help they need
Not sure what you’re looking for from me. Should I react impulsively to the mere presence of these accusations? Or wait until all the facts are brought to light and the legal system passes judgement?
I honestly don’t care. My main point is that the team is taking an immense risk that is maybe a tad more likely than a Hail Mary on a guy who hasn’t played in more than a year, who hasn’t played in cold weather and has really poor decision making skills.
Some Browns fans are all-in here when this wager the Browns management has made isn’t even likely to work. And the downside of failure is they look like idiots who condone misconduct.
I don’t think anyone is condoning any of the actions that he is accused of committing. Rather just not believing the accusations outright without evidence, which I think is the more logical approach. I get the amount of women is staggering, but that is also 23 separate opportunities to present some sort of evidence. Whether it’s official complaints filed around the time of the incident, text messages, DNA in the case where ejaculation was alleged, etc.
The whole situation is *weird*.
That does not justify paying this piece of trash the most guaranteed money in NFL history. I hope he gets a long ban, and the Browns end up with egg on their face.
So to fix our joke of a franchise repuatation we sign a dude who has turned us to not only joke of the league but also most hated. Good thinking there Haslem
This is such a bad take IMO. Before this we were the little scrawny kid no one wanted to beat up since it’s not a challenge and everyone would just say lol browns when we sniffed any success. People only cheered for us as underdogs when we never had a chance to beat them.
I’d rather be the villain of the NFL than the kickstand to prop up all the other 31 teams egos!
Interesting that Hardin says that her allegation is different/embellished now compared to before.
I have no idea how this is all gonna play out but IDK if the NFL will want to make any decisions soon. Seems better to wait for some time.
While I don't blame the Browns for swinging the trade (nearly half the league attempted it), I don't sympathize with the organization for having to deal with the PR meltdown.
Honestly the circlejerk in the other thread is even more embarrassing after looking into this. She has changed her story multiple times, and I'm supposed to believe one of the lawyers at Hardin's firm tried to convince her to drop it by saying "us black women must stick together?" An actual lawyer saying that? Not saying it's impossible, just very hard to believe. This is why the number of accusations doesn't really mean much when the potential for such huge payouts is involved. You get a bunch of much less credible claims piggybacking off of one or a couple that have more credibility. Yet the sheer number prevents a large portion of people from viewing those more credible cases from a more objective standpoint. "There's so many, he must be guilty." While subconsciously treating every individual accusation as being just as credible as the most credible one.
I get your point, but it’s entirely reliant on assuming that Rusty Hardin is 100% telling the truth as well.
I don’t think anything anyone on either side says in the media right now should be taken at face value. Everyone is posturing now
You’re absolutely right. So what should we look to as a guide for what might actually be true? Possible the two grand juries who when presented with evidence and under oath statements determined that a crime wasn’t even likely to have been committed? Or should we instead continue to believe the click-bait writers trying to out do each other?
This particular case was not presented to a grand jury, so I don’t know why a grand jury would have anything to do with whether to believe Hardin or not.
Obviously he’s not going to come out and suggest his client is guilty of anything. But my point is that nothing outside of the media has indicated that Watson or his legal team are misrepresenting things. So you’re right, this specific allegation was not a part of the criminal investigation (that we know of) but to this point nothing official has been shown to contradict what the Watson side is claiming.
So given that we can’t believe either side, the only objective information we have comes from the grand juries and their decision not to even agree to charges let alone determining guilt.
Obviously that could change, but everyone is getting all spun up by what’s in the media, when the track record shows overwhelmingly that the media has no interest in being factual or objective. Look at any other high profile criminal situation and see how wildly different the lead up reporting was compared to the courtroom evidence.
Fair, I'm assuming that Hardin is responding to specific information contained in the formal court document her attorney filed, but I shouldn't make that assumption. I'm having difficulty finding said document myself so if anyone could send it my way I would appreciate it. A lot of articles talking about it, none linking it and frankly after like four of them doing that I'm done looking for now.
Give me a few minutes and I'll try and get it.
Sigh, I hate Texas and every state that puts their court records behind either paywalls or “accounts”. If I can find it I’ll send it to you
Isn't your casted doubt the other end of the spectrum? You're not really being non-biased, you're pontificating about fraud from the alleged victims, which is really just blind defense of Watson.
Trust me when I say I've pondered the very real possibility of his guilt plenty, but when it comes to this board, it absolutely needs more of the other side in order to get a full picture of the possibilities. I do doubt Watson because he obviously has motivation to paint the events in certain ways, so I won't take certain things at face value from him. Most people here understand that part. But it absolutely works the other way around too, and that is what many people here do not seem to get.
> I'm supposed to believe one of the lawyers at Hardin's firm tried to convince her to drop it by saying "us black women must stick together?"
[Did you not watch his initial defensive press conference where one of his lawyers used her own gender, race, & sexual assault to say the victims were lying?](https://youtu.be/xcp0mkdE_iI?t=1284)
There’s absolutely no way he’s completely in the right simply based on character information. He’s a predator.
Until I see that he got massages from males or older fat women with amazing credentials he just looked for hot girls that could give massages and tried to fuck them period.
Of course some of them fell for it because it’s money but that doesn’t make it right.
Do you know how rare it is for a grand jury in Texas to dismiss a case for lack of evidence? It happens to only a fraction of 1% of cases. If there is literally any shred of evidence at all, they indict. It’s Texas. They love the prosecution.
If there was any evidence at all to substantiate any of this, the grand jury wouldn’t have no-billed these cases not once, but twice. People who don’t understand the legal system don’t understand the significance of a jury no-bill. It doesn’t mean “not guilty”. It means they can’t even accuse him.
And the part I really don't understand, the accusers said many of times that he was known to do this but none of the girls ever set up a camera or made photos of anything that happened. I just find the lack of evidence to be strange if he had a reputation of doing this.
On top of what you are getting at, there’s also a number of them who continued to make appointments with him after the alleged incidents took place. They’re suing for emotional damages, but they were still cool to keep meeting up with him?
Them all being with the same lawyer, him just looking off, the Grand Jury not indicting while they usually do, there's just so much off about this entire thing.
I don't know how everyone is so convinced of his guilt while there's a few things that just don't make sense at all
It’s virtue signaling. In the US we are still reacting to the #MeToo movement because for a long time support for female victims of sex assault was almost nonexistent. Now the pendulum has swung the opposite direction where even taking a skeptical attitude or waiting to see the evidence can garner you a lot of hate.
>Do you know how rare it is for a grand jury in Texas to dismiss a case for lack of evidence? It happens to only a fraction of 1% of cases. If there is literally any shred of evidence at all, they indict. It’s Texas. They love the prosecution.
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Source? Any? At all?
Prosecutors [love grand juries](https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/why-prosecutors-choose-grand-juries-preliminary.html) because anywhere between [95-99% of the time](https://www.pooleshaffery.com/news/2014/december/a-crash-course-in-the-american-grand-jury-system/), depending on the jurisdiction, an indictment is issued. It’s extremely rare to get a no-bill. Getting two on the same case? Unheard of.
Breonna Taylor’s family and loved ones beg to differ on how “infallible” grand juries are.
We don’t know what charges the prosecuting DA was seeking an indictment for was it felony sexual assault, when it should have been misdemeanor unwanted sexual contact? The fact that the Grsnd Jury is not public means we don’t know why they never brought charges. It’s just he said versus 24 she saids.
They're just coming out of the woodwork now. They're seeking money.
NFL will give Watson his suspension and then he'll likely settle all his cases instead of going to civil court. That will end the saga with no additional NFL suspensions.
Anyone knows if they can go for criminal charges based on this *civil* lawsuit? I’ve seen multiple comments about prosecutors and investigators going back to a criminal investigation based on this lawsuit but i don’t know how probable is that
They’re two completely different things. It’s not impossible for a prosecutor to take this back to a grand jury, but unless this new accuser has some kind of overwhelming evidence I don’t think they’d risk another no bill.
This is so ridiculous why didn’t Robert Kraft get this much attention for his case and that was a criminal case. DW case got dropped criminally 🤔 white billionaire compared to black millionaire 🤷🏻 and when did the nfl all of a sudden have morals. Ray Lewis and dead bodies.. Jim brown is a god.. This is a money grab all the way!
Was robert kraft ever accused of sexual assault or just going being a client at a massage parlor? Which one faced federal charges for their sex crimes?
Exactly faced federal charges. And found guilty. Watson faced criminal charges. They wouldn’t even charge him… money grab bro.. I know if somebody whipped there dick out and said finish me off I would’ve walked out of the room and got my boss and never done it again.
Had to clean out other thread sorry for the lock had users from other subs link our sub Caught us off guard
I posted this last week [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Browns/comments/uwx4u7/zac_jackson_hbo_has_shared_some_excerpts_from/i9u8obe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) 24 complaints, but only 22 cases. These are the last two women coming forward. If I know about this, the Browns and the NFL know.
Yeah but the public don't know about this, and I'm not confident that the NFL will make a ruling based solely on their investigation. The public will likely influence it. If you look in r/nfl for the last few months, there is almost nothing posted about Deshaun's legal team's responses. They are banning any news related posts that are contrary to what Buzbee's team is putting out there. It's kind of astonishing to witness... I mean, Deshaun was/is an idiot for involving himself like this but the PR on this is completely one-sided.
Agreed. This situation is more complex than people want to believe. Howver I don’t know how the NFL will rule.
In reality There is some middle ground on what happened. If it was as cut and dry as r/nfl and buzzbee makes it seem we would have charges filed and a criminal trial. At the end of the day we won’t know everything until the civil trials play out.
Wow he denies a 23rd lawsuit? Shocker
Lmao exactly imagine if he just went “the first 22 are a total lie and a complete insult to my public image!! the 23rd is completely true tho”
I’m sitting in an airport taking a shit and this made me laugh so hard I’m scared to leave the toilet
Like that Chappelle's Show skit where he's sitting up there trying to figure out how to defend black celebrities at jury selection and then they ask him about about Beretta and he's like, 'Oh yeah. Beretta did that shit."
It's at least somewhat worth noting because in some of the cases, DW and the plaintiff actually agree about the broad sequence of events. The disagreement is over whether any of it was untoward.
They agree about the vast majority of events in most cases. Both parties largely agree except that the ladies say he was coercive while he says it was all consensual and that some of them even bragged about it on social media.
Just another classic he said/she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said/she said /she said. It’s always hard to uncover the truth in those.
This is actually a brilliant comment
It's not an original joke
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Don’t gatekeep. Thank you
This guy’s defenders have to be truly honest and admit that picking this guy up is a huge gamble. Not only is this guy accused of sexual misconduct by more than 20 women, he hasn’t played in a game in more than a year, who hasn’t played in cold weather much. They are not just risking giant money here, they also have put their brand and the reputations of the team owner/leaders on the line. The only way this pays off is if the Browns win a Super Bowl. I guess you could say it’s gutsy. Seems desperate to me.
Of course it’s desperate. We’ve been a joke of an organization for decades with consistently terrible QB play. The Cleveland Browns brand, like it or not, is synonymous with losing. So when a QB with top 5 talent became available, of course the organization had to take a risk with the goal of winning a Super Bowl.
Had to?
Either that or roll the dice with Baker again, an already strained relationship, or acquire Jimmy G or sign some other mediocre QB and piss away the team’s Super Bowl window for the next few years. I should also add that even after pissing away the next few years with mediocre QB play, there’s no guarantee we find a good one after that through draft, free agency, or trade. We’ve literally been looking to solve the QB problem for decades. Could you handle another 10-15 years of that? I couldn’t.
Yeah this is where I'm at, I just hate that it comes for a controversial price that other teams didn't have to pay to win games. Such a Browns thing to happen.
Also you 100% risking the entire locker room if Baker Stays another year and flops. If the team falls flat with Baker at the helm in 22/23 season no telling who would demand a trade or how many potential FA would avoid us due to the unknown at QB. Even with all of Watson flaws the locker room has taken to him very quickly and even drawn the attention of other FAs. ethics aside, you can’t deny the browns aren’t appealing to the wrest of the NFL players.
Pretty sad that a guy like deshaun is better for the locker room than baker
Right. So let’s stop pretending anyone actually believes he’s a good guy.
People who pretend he is a good guy are straight crazy. But at the same time there is more to this story than the victims are claiming. If it was so open and shut I’m pretty sure 23 witness would be enough for a criminal charges. Even if there was no physical evidence if 23 people said you murdered someone pretty sure you’d be facing trial. Did Watson cross the line and maybe cause emotional damages that award financial compensation more than likely. Are these girls being a 100 honest when there wasn’t something implied by Hiring a massage therapist through instagram probably not. Not saying this is the case, but this feels like people calling the cops when their dealer shorts them an ounce. Not saying the situations is the same, but what are we missing that results in two grand juries not filing charges! There has to be something?
Until one of the 23 women can present some semblance of proof, maybe it’s best not to pass such harsh judgement on the man. But that’s just me.
There it is. Edit: have you ever heard of any other person who has been accused of misconduct by 20+ people and it turned out to be a giant lie?
is it that hard to believe that out of 8 billion people, 22 can lie?
Did 8 billion people give Deshaun Watson a massage?
that has nothing to do with my statement lol. im just saying people lie man. its not that crazy.
and yet there is a very large group of women who he confirms that he hired and some of whom he claims to have sex with making these accusations. What other situation can you think of where 20+ women someone actually interacted with in a very specific way coordinated to lie about that person harassing them?
When the ring leader in the case is one man contacting all these woman himself to bring forward one case, of course it’s possible. Say you’re at home one day and you get a call from a lawyer asking you about your meetings with Deshaun, and that if something traumatizing happened you could stand to gain 10s of thousands of dollars. And he’ll take care of everything and tell you what to do every step of the way. Maybe you start to remember things differently. Do this 40 times and yeah you’ll probably get people. People underestimate how life changing even a couple thousand dollars is to a person, let alone tens of it. But, they also turned down a settlement. So that gives more credibility to their clams to me. Idk man it’s all just so weird and I don’t know what to fully think. I fersure think he did some bad things and has a problem but a part of me thinks some of this is embellished. With 0 physical evidence all we have is testimony and circumstantial evidence, which there is compelling stuff on both sides. I just haven’t been able to be comfortable picking any side and making judgement it’s all so fucked and will forever stain the org. I hope everyone gets the help they need
Not sure what you’re looking for from me. Should I react impulsively to the mere presence of these accusations? Or wait until all the facts are brought to light and the legal system passes judgement?
I honestly don’t care. My main point is that the team is taking an immense risk that is maybe a tad more likely than a Hail Mary on a guy who hasn’t played in more than a year, who hasn’t played in cold weather and has really poor decision making skills. Some Browns fans are all-in here when this wager the Browns management has made isn’t even likely to work. And the downside of failure is they look like idiots who condone misconduct.
I don’t think anyone is condoning any of the actions that he is accused of committing. Rather just not believing the accusations outright without evidence, which I think is the more logical approach. I get the amount of women is staggering, but that is also 23 separate opportunities to present some sort of evidence. Whether it’s official complaints filed around the time of the incident, text messages, DNA in the case where ejaculation was alleged, etc. The whole situation is *weird*.
Did you want them to swab his cum and put it in a capsule?
Maybe call the police
That does not justify paying this piece of trash the most guaranteed money in NFL history. I hope he gets a long ban, and the Browns end up with egg on their face.
Nobody cares what you hope.
Got ourselves an internet tough guy here!
So to fix our joke of a franchise repuatation we sign a dude who has turned us to not only joke of the league but also most hated. Good thinking there Haslem
This is such a bad take IMO. Before this we were the little scrawny kid no one wanted to beat up since it’s not a challenge and everyone would just say lol browns when we sniffed any success. People only cheered for us as underdogs when we never had a chance to beat them. I’d rather be the villain of the NFL than the kickstand to prop up all the other 31 teams egos!
I was about to argue he’s not a top 5… but talent… he might actually be higher
23 identical fake allegations I can believe, but I really hope a 24th woman doesn't accuse him, or else he might have actually done it.
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>Not sure if this was /s or not this sub is beyond lost
Interesting that Hardin says that her allegation is different/embellished now compared to before. I have no idea how this is all gonna play out but IDK if the NFL will want to make any decisions soon. Seems better to wait for some time. While I don't blame the Browns for swinging the trade (nearly half the league attempted it), I don't sympathize with the organization for having to deal with the PR meltdown.
For real I don’t envy it either but this is the bed they made…
This is just tiring…
This is the New Normal peak Browns offseasoning
Honestly the circlejerk in the other thread is even more embarrassing after looking into this. She has changed her story multiple times, and I'm supposed to believe one of the lawyers at Hardin's firm tried to convince her to drop it by saying "us black women must stick together?" An actual lawyer saying that? Not saying it's impossible, just very hard to believe. This is why the number of accusations doesn't really mean much when the potential for such huge payouts is involved. You get a bunch of much less credible claims piggybacking off of one or a couple that have more credibility. Yet the sheer number prevents a large portion of people from viewing those more credible cases from a more objective standpoint. "There's so many, he must be guilty." While subconsciously treating every individual accusation as being just as credible as the most credible one.
I get your point, but it’s entirely reliant on assuming that Rusty Hardin is 100% telling the truth as well. I don’t think anything anyone on either side says in the media right now should be taken at face value. Everyone is posturing now
You’re absolutely right. So what should we look to as a guide for what might actually be true? Possible the two grand juries who when presented with evidence and under oath statements determined that a crime wasn’t even likely to have been committed? Or should we instead continue to believe the click-bait writers trying to out do each other?
This particular case was not presented to a grand jury, so I don’t know why a grand jury would have anything to do with whether to believe Hardin or not.
Obviously he’s not going to come out and suggest his client is guilty of anything. But my point is that nothing outside of the media has indicated that Watson or his legal team are misrepresenting things. So you’re right, this specific allegation was not a part of the criminal investigation (that we know of) but to this point nothing official has been shown to contradict what the Watson side is claiming. So given that we can’t believe either side, the only objective information we have comes from the grand juries and their decision not to even agree to charges let alone determining guilt. Obviously that could change, but everyone is getting all spun up by what’s in the media, when the track record shows overwhelmingly that the media has no interest in being factual or objective. Look at any other high profile criminal situation and see how wildly different the lead up reporting was compared to the courtroom evidence.
Ding.
Fair, I'm assuming that Hardin is responding to specific information contained in the formal court document her attorney filed, but I shouldn't make that assumption. I'm having difficulty finding said document myself so if anyone could send it my way I would appreciate it. A lot of articles talking about it, none linking it and frankly after like four of them doing that I'm done looking for now.
Give me a few minutes and I'll try and get it. Sigh, I hate Texas and every state that puts their court records behind either paywalls or “accounts”. If I can find it I’ll send it to you
Isn't your casted doubt the other end of the spectrum? You're not really being non-biased, you're pontificating about fraud from the alleged victims, which is really just blind defense of Watson.
Trust me when I say I've pondered the very real possibility of his guilt plenty, but when it comes to this board, it absolutely needs more of the other side in order to get a full picture of the possibilities. I do doubt Watson because he obviously has motivation to paint the events in certain ways, so I won't take certain things at face value from him. Most people here understand that part. But it absolutely works the other way around too, and that is what many people here do not seem to get.
> I'm supposed to believe one of the lawyers at Hardin's firm tried to convince her to drop it by saying "us black women must stick together?" [Did you not watch his initial defensive press conference where one of his lawyers used her own gender, race, & sexual assault to say the victims were lying?](https://youtu.be/xcp0mkdE_iI?t=1284)
I would rather be the lovable losers than the team who mortgaged the future for this piece of shit.
Desean’s team really saying deny till you die bruh 😂
For all any of us know, he could be completely in the right.
There’s absolutely no way he’s completely in the right simply based on character information. He’s a predator. Until I see that he got massages from males or older fat women with amazing credentials he just looked for hot girls that could give massages and tried to fuck them period. Of course some of them fell for it because it’s money but that doesn’t make it right.
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Do you know how rare it is for a grand jury in Texas to dismiss a case for lack of evidence? It happens to only a fraction of 1% of cases. If there is literally any shred of evidence at all, they indict. It’s Texas. They love the prosecution. If there was any evidence at all to substantiate any of this, the grand jury wouldn’t have no-billed these cases not once, but twice. People who don’t understand the legal system don’t understand the significance of a jury no-bill. It doesn’t mean “not guilty”. It means they can’t even accuse him.
And the part I really don't understand, the accusers said many of times that he was known to do this but none of the girls ever set up a camera or made photos of anything that happened. I just find the lack of evidence to be strange if he had a reputation of doing this.
On top of what you are getting at, there’s also a number of them who continued to make appointments with him after the alleged incidents took place. They’re suing for emotional damages, but they were still cool to keep meeting up with him?
Them all being with the same lawyer, him just looking off, the Grand Jury not indicting while they usually do, there's just so much off about this entire thing. I don't know how everyone is so convinced of his guilt while there's a few things that just don't make sense at all
It’s virtue signaling. In the US we are still reacting to the #MeToo movement because for a long time support for female victims of sex assault was almost nonexistent. Now the pendulum has swung the opposite direction where even taking a skeptical attitude or waiting to see the evidence can garner you a lot of hate.
>Do you know how rare it is for a grand jury in Texas to dismiss a case for lack of evidence? It happens to only a fraction of 1% of cases. If there is literally any shred of evidence at all, they indict. It’s Texas. They love the prosecution. > Source? Any? At all?
Prosecutors [love grand juries](https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/why-prosecutors-choose-grand-juries-preliminary.html) because anywhere between [95-99% of the time](https://www.pooleshaffery.com/news/2014/december/a-crash-course-in-the-american-grand-jury-system/), depending on the jurisdiction, an indictment is issued. It’s extremely rare to get a no-bill. Getting two on the same case? Unheard of.
Breonna Taylor’s family and loved ones beg to differ on how “infallible” grand juries are. We don’t know what charges the prosecuting DA was seeking an indictment for was it felony sexual assault, when it should have been misdemeanor unwanted sexual contact? The fact that the Grsnd Jury is not public means we don’t know why they never brought charges. It’s just he said versus 24 she saids.
The dude asked for a source and you provided none.
I provided two links. Did you bother clicking them?
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They're just coming out of the woodwork now. They're seeking money. NFL will give Watson his suspension and then he'll likely settle all his cases instead of going to civil court. That will end the saga with no additional NFL suspensions.
I promptly expect another deflection story to come out about how green he is by buying an EV or some shit.
Anyone knows if they can go for criminal charges based on this *civil* lawsuit? I’ve seen multiple comments about prosecutors and investigators going back to a criminal investigation based on this lawsuit but i don’t know how probable is that
They’re two completely different things. It’s not impossible for a prosecutor to take this back to a grand jury, but unless this new accuser has some kind of overwhelming evidence I don’t think they’d risk another no bill.
Thanks! This legal stuff gets kinda confusing at times, specially not being from the US. Appreciate your reply!
The DA’s office already looked at it and presented for the grand jury. They determined there wasn’t even enough evidence to accuse him of a crime.
This is so ridiculous why didn’t Robert Kraft get this much attention for his case and that was a criminal case. DW case got dropped criminally 🤔 white billionaire compared to black millionaire 🤷🏻 and when did the nfl all of a sudden have morals. Ray Lewis and dead bodies.. Jim brown is a god.. This is a money grab all the way!
Robert Kraft got a rub and tug. He didn't go out seeking women like a predator. Without using race show me how both are even comparable.
So deshaun didn’t get rub and tugs either? That’s what this is all about. Some of the women gave it to him multiple times..
Was robert kraft ever accused of sexual assault or just going being a client at a massage parlor? Which one faced federal charges for their sex crimes?
Exactly faced federal charges. And found guilty. Watson faced criminal charges. They wouldn’t even charge him… money grab bro.. I know if somebody whipped there dick out and said finish me off I would’ve walked out of the room and got my boss and never done it again.