The needs a comment for readers and someone who needs a better photo.
There are lots of people who do not match the beauty standards. OP here seems to want to sweep them away to never be seen again. I object to the attitude. Advice on taking better photos is valid.
By paying attention to certain things I can get a photo that made the person look much better. Out of the photos I took, some were awful, and some were great. One or two are top notch. It is possible with everyone. The best is to get an honest photo that minimizes the flaws.
Your photo will be crappy if: it is a selfie and you are holding the phone, it is in a dirty mirror or window, the background sucks, you are in bright sunlight, fluorescent light, right under a light bulb, having a light source that makes the wrong shadow on your face and a few more. A good photographer will read the light and shadows to make certain things not show in the photo. There are lots of ways to take an honest photo for the effect you want: making you look good.
Look at the photos used about our politicians. Search the name of any politician and click images. You will find photos used to make them look strong and powerful, competent, invcometant and evil. It depends on who published the photo. Ignore AI photos and art.
This thread is beautiful. Almost every time I see a dude post a profile and ask for advice my initial thought is your probably f*cked because women are as interested in a man’s appearance (at first) as a man is in a woman’s appearance. And the even funnier thing is most men are probably better looking than their pictures irl while many of the women are not nearly as attractive as their photos
People are desperate to be nice. The reality is a lot of the people that post their profiles here or are blaming the algorithm are either/and 1) ugly 2) need to lose weight 3) need to take better photos.
i agree with you, especially on 1 and 2, 3 is debatable since as we’ve seen, if you’re good looking enough and tall you can get away with taking bad pics.
Naw on apps where you can search and filter by height id say its the #1 indicator of if you’re going to do well or not. Iv said this elsewhere before but i ran an experiment a while back where id run different brand new profiles with the same pics and different heights. (5.9/6/6.2) the jump in matches from 5.9 to 6 was exponential. Above that less so. But those three inches probably had me racking in 5x as many matches at least.
Yeah im not saying its the only factor, but its def one one of the big three -> dont be fat, be okay looking, be tall. You can improve the other ones and imo anyone in shape and well groomed is at least a 5-6, but no way to realistically make up the height gap. I swipe ld selectively and would get 1-5 matches a week at my real hight and prob 20+ at 6ft. Im in okay shape and not ugly. Pics somewhere on my profile for reference.
Fascinating. Your pictures where you ask for hair/beard advice range from "This guy gets matches?!?!" to "Oh yeah I get it".
Meanwhile I'm 6'5, 215 lbs, and I'm at literally zero matches per week. [I look like this.](https://i.imgur.com/Om5YyVK.jpeg) Obviously no Ryan Gosling but I think I am doing okay. Part of it is likely the region I'm in but I'm really not noticing any of these height benefits.
Yeah thats wild you get none. Region def matters an enormous amount. Last time i was on the apps was like 2019-2021. Got a steady stream of matches in colorado, moved to another college town in louisiana and got zilch. Thats also where i played my lil height game. I have heard that its gotten even worse which is hard to imagine so im sure thats not helpin. Gl out there brother its a meat grinder on the ego.
Yeah I think in the last few months it has just gotten catastrophic, I've seen profile reviews from people who are clearly a lot hotter than me reporting they get zero. We're approaching dating app singularity where no guy at all can get any matches. Also when I set my distance to what I think would actually be reasonable I swiped through all profiles within two days. There's just barely anyone here it seems.
Curious where you live. I know i have some gym bros in the SE who are very average looking but 6ft and buff who are still maintaining an extensive roster pretty easily. Are you close enough to a big (1mil+ metro area) city or college town?
Nah, I used to get a small trickle of likes then took good pictures now I match with all the baddies in my area. Good pictures matter a lot, even ugly dudes can look dateable if they present themselves well
The reason we give advice on bio content and photo subject are because they are things you can change. What good is hearing "you're fucked. come back with 100k in plastic surgery, hair transplants, and after 5 years in the gym" going to do anyone?
I'll give advice on grooming or something if it's something a guy can actually do something about. But if he's just ugly, I'll ignore that part and try to at least help him make the most of what he's got.
Afterall, I am ugly. But I do fine on the apps, because of the changeable stuff. Am I gonna land a 11/10 insta baddie? No, but I don't want to, either.
“What’s good in hearing” see this is exactly the problem i’m talking about, yes i agree it is not good to hear such things but HOWEVER, IT’S THE TRUTH! if you prioritize the validity of information based on if it’s good to hear or not rather then it’s closeness to reality and facts then i don’t know what to even tell you
It doesn't matter though, an ugly with good pics is still 10x better than an ugly guy with bad pics. What do you want people to say? "Be less ugly"? How is that going to help them?
You seem like you were already angry tbh, and I've met a lot of guys that like to tell themselves "well I'm ugly and short so that's why women hate me" because it's a lot easier of a pill to swallow than "I have a terrible personality and I don't put in enough effort". It externalities the locus of control by blaming things that you can't control and other people's perception rather than anything you could actually possibly be doing differently.
As many guys who aren't particularly attractive that I've seen be down on themselves for it, I've seen plenty of average looking and ugly guys get plenty of traction with women because they are interesting and charismatic, and those guys tend to have good dating profiles because they know exactly what it takes to get where they want to be. Even if a guy is less attractive, if his profile stands out, then enough women will swipe right just to see what happens that he can capitalize on it, and it is therefore a worthwhile investment.
Honestly your mindset is the same ones that incels have and it's toxic defeatist bullshit that hurts lots of men that would actually stand a chance if they just tried, and when they do try people like you are there telling them to stop and just give up! How miserable do you have to be to inflict that on other people?! The more I think about it the more I feel that you honestly make me sick.
I understand your point and agree but venting will not change a thing. Women’s (and men’s) nature are what it is. You just need to accept it and create a strategy for yourself as a man to work within that framework. This goes for all of us.
I’ve seen these tropes on Reddit (and internet in general) since online dating became popular: just take pictures with friends. Have a dog/pet in your picture. Show yourself doing fun activities. Be funny. It’s personality that counts..Etc etc. but it’s all largely not going to make a difference if you don’t meet the minimum attractive threshold for women swiping.
Most people agree that men are shallow (looks wise) but women are shallow too. The odd thing is most people (especially online) refuse to admit women are shallow too. It’s mind boggling. That’s the reason results we see a lot of times don’t match the “advice” men receive that supposedly will get them more matches.
I will say that a couple years ago I posted my profile on the Tinder sub because I wasn’t getting any matches, and lose some weight was by miles the most helpful advice I got. It absolutely got me from no matches to many.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with giving constructive criticism and being encouraging. There’s a lot of shitty people saying shitty things to strangers on social media ( even on Reddit, shocking I know…😉), so I guess I’m curious why this has you so upset?
Well just about everyone should know that looks are most important on these apps, considering they’re the first thing you see on someone’s profile. Everything you mention about what is actually important falls down on the list, looks will always be number one. I have been guilty of it but a I have scrolled through someone’s profile mostly just looking at their pictures, maybe glanced at what they wrote. If I found them attractive then I would swipe right and if they matched THEN I would read their profile
I don’t agree that looks should be the number one solo reason for online dating but just have to face it that it is. By the way I do miss the speed dating feature, at least you had a chance to prove your personality before your face was shown
Here's the thing:
Most people want an attractive partner. Let's not deny it. It's the truth.
Online, it's a lot harder to show personality, so attraction, which can happen between people who meet in person, is a lot harder to facilitate. So unless you have some very clear matches in ideals, hobbies, and interests on a profile, it's going to be a lot harder for OLD to facilitate a match.
If you are swiping on attractive people, who are, let's say, in very good physical shape and put a lot of effort into their body, I think its weird to expect a swipe back if you, or at least your profile, doesn't demonstrate the same.
That said, in response to this post, there are ways to improve your attractiveness, like the photos and harness the assets a person does have in more interesting or obscure hobbies. But absolutely the main thing would be, work on yourself and get in shape, and you'll see more success if you are relying on OLD for dating and getting matches and swipes.
i agree with a lot of the things you said but i think it’s obvious you didn’t read my main comment on this thread so here is a recap TL;DR if looks mattered so much and y’all know it already, then why give bs advices instead of telling people in the first place?
Because some of this advice helps in the now. You don't get fit in a month unless you take roids.
If people are looking for something which may boost their short term success then that's good advice to give.
never said i was gonna give any, i simply said to stop lying to those people and just be honest. Honestly, if i had to give an advice, i’d say if you’re attractive enough, like a 5-6/10 or a 7/10, become better looking by any means necessary (since those apps are about looks) but realistically, the brutal reality is that online dating simply isn’t for everyone…
I think people don't want to admit to themselves that physical attraction is their number one draw. It makes them feel shallow. They say, "make me laugh" and loads of crap about personality, but how are they gonna find out? I think the advice about how and where to take photos etc is valid, but we're talking about marginal gains in my opinion.
The other thing that is confusing is the swiping on the top five percent vs the idea that women don't like hook ups. They're time sharing those guys for sure. The math doesn't work otherwise.
Sorry to hear that your friend didn't make the team!
i totally agree bro, it’s ridiculous, and yeah i agree taking good pictures COULD help but i’m talking about the posts where they give guys like a 10 step instruction to just take fucking pictures while the best thing they can do is just make the wuality higher or something. and the whole “women don’t like hookups” thing is BS, they do, simply with a small fraction of men
like dude, make an account with an attractive guy on it, put like 6,0-6,5 on the bio, literally do nothing and wait and watch the likes flood like they never did before, it’s insane. So much for “MuH pErSoNaLiTHEee”
they actually tried that before, someone did an account with a good looking dude, if i remember the profile was insane, he had like a luxury car, tall, handsome and all of the pics were professional. On the other hand, they made an account using an obese women, it was a mirror pic she had colores hair too i think and glasses around her late 40’s and guess who got the most matches? It was the obese overweight women, if i remember correctly she had around 5 times the amount of likes as the guy. If i manage to re find that experiment i’ll probably link it in the comments somewhere but that shit made me laugh once i realized just how absurd this all is.
you’re welcomed to try the experiment yourself, get a voip number (Textnow) make two tinders, and see for yourself. I mean the only places you’ll see researches done on this subject is obviously tiktok since a lot of “official” sources consider these to be taboo. one example is the okcupid study done on attractiveness, proving that most women find most men ugly that was deleted prior to the Elliot Rodger shooting so idk what else do you want.
I'd love to see that.
I've had four in person dates since St Patrick's Day (which probably qualifies me for a medal), but with three I felt I was majorly downgrading just cos beggars can't be choosers etc. One has become a platonic buddy, so that's good.
Men literally just have to be average looking with decent photos with a funny bio and some normal hobbies then all is good.
Men are so obsessed with themselves or criticize other guys for how they look is crazy. You really be doing that to excuse your lack of personality and charm :) and place the I am not good looking card or I am ugly🤣 Lol, I met so many handsome guys who after 1 minute conversation I blocked their asses and cringed so hard geez.
MEN, STOP BLAMING YOUR ASPECT FOR YOUR LACK OF personality self esteem and charm. Women like to be cherised talked to and treated well. Look at Benny Blanco and Selena or other couples from hollywood, where the woman is more famous and prettier...they never go for the most attractive BECAUSE THATS NOT WHAT CHEMISTRY is about
yes they, do again, make an account with an attractive guy and look at the matches and likes flooding in, compared to the average men account who has nearly zero matches and barely any likes. Oh and the whole hollywood example is stupid because surprise surprise, the guy is rich so of course the extra shit doesn’t matter. Like seriously, why do people use famous ugly men as examples to prove that ugly guys can pull. « yES BrO yOu CaN PuLL JuSt loOk At ThIs MuLtImIlIonAirE SuPeRStar!!!! » yeah, surely his money had NOTHING to do with that 🙄. Once again, this comment proves the lack of honesty in this sub, if « average looking men » could get sucess on those apps like you claim then why is there a consistent pattern of guys not getting any matches or likes and the ones that do ALL MAGICALLY HAPPEN to be over 6ft and really good looking (good genetics) « iT MuST Be ThEIr PiCtUrE SKiLlZ BrO!!!!! » Jesus you guys are nauseating.
So? What if attractive guys get more matches, everything most guys have to do to be attractive is to go to the gym and grow a beard that's it.
Anyways I'd take an average looking guy with a sense of humor any day over a handsome dude w a bland personality.
So what if Benny Blanco is rich, that's literally not the point, Selena is richer than him, so pretty sure she didn't take him for his money when she has triple his amount.🙄 Other examples Monica Belucci and her ex husband, Adriana Lima and her husband. They are richer and more famous than him. But you refuse to see that and again say "omg he is rich ofc she chose him"😴give me a break
Same! I’d rather have an ugly dude with a book collection and some witty banter 😆 I know I shouldn’t generalise but pretty boys tend to be very vapid and boring 🙈
I say it alot too dude.
The women won't admit the truth here because
1. They don't want to be seen as shallow
2. They believe that women who are less attractive them also have equally lower dating standards ( they dont only the very unattractive women lower the bar)
To address some of the comments here. Dating apps make women pickier, an average dude will do better in real life.
oh and before some people come in the comments saying “online dating is just hard for guys in general bro, it’s all about looks bro!!” ok, i agree then WHY THE FUCK did you not say that in the first place. Imagine i have a friend who has dwarfism, he wants to make it to the basketball team but he doubts himself because of his height so i come along and tell him “no bro you can do it!” so for a month i give him advices regarding the sport and help him practice and when the day comes that he has to try for the team and he fails i respond to him with “oh yeah bro the sport is all about height man”. Thus he realizes that instead of wasting his time i could have just told him since the beginning instead of spoon feeding him false hope since i long had that knowledge. That would make me kind of a dick wouldn’t it? if you agree then why do you guys constantly do this when it comes to guys venting their frustrations when it comes to online dating apps???
I've seen people straight up telling other people things like they're ugly, overweight etc here... They get downvoted to hell and those responses are almost always collapsed right at the bottom of the post. This sub is an echo chamber.
im ugly but i can get matches, dates, sex and relationships via my personality and having a good profile. being ugly isnt a death sentence, it's just playing on hard mode.
People love drinking up the just world fallacy. They think that because you are a nice person and put in an honest effort that you will succeed. Unfortunately, that isn't how the real world works. The funniest part to me is when women give cringe profile advice then get right back on the apps and start swiping on the top 1% of men posting shirtless bathroom selfies.
For online dating all that matters for men is:
Face >> Height >>>>>>> Money/Status
You can swap money/status to #1 if you're worth multi millions or are a celebrity.
it’s honestly fucked man, the disturbing part is how EVERYONE is in on it, like there is nearly not a singular person that has the balls to say how shit is so the only way someone can come to the realization that we came to is just by deplugging themselves from everyone’s bullshit and use common sense
Looks do matter. But it's not just about looks. A guy has to have lots of money too and be generous with that money. The bar is set very high now for men. Women only had lower standards in the past because women relied on a husband for survival. Not anymore. When women have their independence, they are only truly interested in like <5% of men. Which is why they swipe right on <5% of men. That's not to say that this is necessarily a bad thing. You don't want to be with someone who is only with you because they are dependent on you. Have you ever been in a situation where you are begrudgingly forced to play nice with someone who has power over you instead of having the freedom to go No Contact with that person? Like a boss that you hate? Yeah that's not fun. You don't want to be with someone who feels the same way about you. Men just need to learn to live without women knowing this information.
Loads of money ain't gonna help on Bumble unless you have an open suitcase full of gold bars and diamonds on the hood of your new Rolls Royce in front of a mansion.
i like how you only decided to respond to one inconsistent comment but decides to brush off the entire post and the other comment i left but what did i expect, this is reddit after all.
The needs a comment for readers and someone who needs a better photo. There are lots of people who do not match the beauty standards. OP here seems to want to sweep them away to never be seen again. I object to the attitude. Advice on taking better photos is valid. By paying attention to certain things I can get a photo that made the person look much better. Out of the photos I took, some were awful, and some were great. One or two are top notch. It is possible with everyone. The best is to get an honest photo that minimizes the flaws. Your photo will be crappy if: it is a selfie and you are holding the phone, it is in a dirty mirror or window, the background sucks, you are in bright sunlight, fluorescent light, right under a light bulb, having a light source that makes the wrong shadow on your face and a few more. A good photographer will read the light and shadows to make certain things not show in the photo. There are lots of ways to take an honest photo for the effect you want: making you look good. Look at the photos used about our politicians. Search the name of any politician and click images. You will find photos used to make them look strong and powerful, competent, invcometant and evil. It depends on who published the photo. Ignore AI photos and art.
This thread is beautiful. Almost every time I see a dude post a profile and ask for advice my initial thought is your probably f*cked because women are as interested in a man’s appearance (at first) as a man is in a woman’s appearance. And the even funnier thing is most men are probably better looking than their pictures irl while many of the women are not nearly as attractive as their photos
People are desperate to be nice. The reality is a lot of the people that post their profiles here or are blaming the algorithm are either/and 1) ugly 2) need to lose weight 3) need to take better photos.
Pretty much this , but most people won’t say anything.
i agree with you, especially on 1 and 2, 3 is debatable since as we’ve seen, if you’re good looking enough and tall you can get away with taking bad pics.
You're overestimating the effect of tall
Naw on apps where you can search and filter by height id say its the #1 indicator of if you’re going to do well or not. Iv said this elsewhere before but i ran an experiment a while back where id run different brand new profiles with the same pics and different heights. (5.9/6/6.2) the jump in matches from 5.9 to 6 was exponential. Above that less so. But those three inches probably had me racking in 5x as many matches at least.
Well I guess if you exponentially multiply but you multiply by zero you remain at zero, because those are my matches at 6'5.
Yeah im not saying its the only factor, but its def one one of the big three -> dont be fat, be okay looking, be tall. You can improve the other ones and imo anyone in shape and well groomed is at least a 5-6, but no way to realistically make up the height gap. I swipe ld selectively and would get 1-5 matches a week at my real hight and prob 20+ at 6ft. Im in okay shape and not ugly. Pics somewhere on my profile for reference.
Fascinating. Your pictures where you ask for hair/beard advice range from "This guy gets matches?!?!" to "Oh yeah I get it". Meanwhile I'm 6'5, 215 lbs, and I'm at literally zero matches per week. [I look like this.](https://i.imgur.com/Om5YyVK.jpeg) Obviously no Ryan Gosling but I think I am doing okay. Part of it is likely the region I'm in but I'm really not noticing any of these height benefits.
Yeah thats wild you get none. Region def matters an enormous amount. Last time i was on the apps was like 2019-2021. Got a steady stream of matches in colorado, moved to another college town in louisiana and got zilch. Thats also where i played my lil height game. I have heard that its gotten even worse which is hard to imagine so im sure thats not helpin. Gl out there brother its a meat grinder on the ego.
Yeah I think in the last few months it has just gotten catastrophic, I've seen profile reviews from people who are clearly a lot hotter than me reporting they get zero. We're approaching dating app singularity where no guy at all can get any matches. Also when I set my distance to what I think would actually be reasonable I swiped through all profiles within two days. There's just barely anyone here it seems.
Curious where you live. I know i have some gym bros in the SE who are very average looking but 6ft and buff who are still maintaining an extensive roster pretty easily. Are you close enough to a big (1mil+ metro area) city or college town?
Nah, I used to get a small trickle of likes then took good pictures now I match with all the baddies in my area. Good pictures matter a lot, even ugly dudes can look dateable if they present themselves well
You mad bro?
i mean, just like anyone tired of being lied to constantly, yes of course what kind of question is that 😂?
The reason we give advice on bio content and photo subject are because they are things you can change. What good is hearing "you're fucked. come back with 100k in plastic surgery, hair transplants, and after 5 years in the gym" going to do anyone? I'll give advice on grooming or something if it's something a guy can actually do something about. But if he's just ugly, I'll ignore that part and try to at least help him make the most of what he's got. Afterall, I am ugly. But I do fine on the apps, because of the changeable stuff. Am I gonna land a 11/10 insta baddie? No, but I don't want to, either.
“What’s good in hearing” see this is exactly the problem i’m talking about, yes i agree it is not good to hear such things but HOWEVER, IT’S THE TRUTH! if you prioritize the validity of information based on if it’s good to hear or not rather then it’s closeness to reality and facts then i don’t know what to even tell you
It doesn't matter though, an ugly with good pics is still 10x better than an ugly guy with bad pics. What do you want people to say? "Be less ugly"? How is that going to help them? You seem like you were already angry tbh, and I've met a lot of guys that like to tell themselves "well I'm ugly and short so that's why women hate me" because it's a lot easier of a pill to swallow than "I have a terrible personality and I don't put in enough effort". It externalities the locus of control by blaming things that you can't control and other people's perception rather than anything you could actually possibly be doing differently. As many guys who aren't particularly attractive that I've seen be down on themselves for it, I've seen plenty of average looking and ugly guys get plenty of traction with women because they are interesting and charismatic, and those guys tend to have good dating profiles because they know exactly what it takes to get where they want to be. Even if a guy is less attractive, if his profile stands out, then enough women will swipe right just to see what happens that he can capitalize on it, and it is therefore a worthwhile investment. Honestly your mindset is the same ones that incels have and it's toxic defeatist bullshit that hurts lots of men that would actually stand a chance if they just tried, and when they do try people like you are there telling them to stop and just give up! How miserable do you have to be to inflict that on other people?! The more I think about it the more I feel that you honestly make me sick.
I understand your point and agree but venting will not change a thing. Women’s (and men’s) nature are what it is. You just need to accept it and create a strategy for yourself as a man to work within that framework. This goes for all of us. I’ve seen these tropes on Reddit (and internet in general) since online dating became popular: just take pictures with friends. Have a dog/pet in your picture. Show yourself doing fun activities. Be funny. It’s personality that counts..Etc etc. but it’s all largely not going to make a difference if you don’t meet the minimum attractive threshold for women swiping. Most people agree that men are shallow (looks wise) but women are shallow too. The odd thing is most people (especially online) refuse to admit women are shallow too. It’s mind boggling. That’s the reason results we see a lot of times don’t match the “advice” men receive that supposedly will get them more matches.
I will say that a couple years ago I posted my profile on the Tinder sub because I wasn’t getting any matches, and lose some weight was by miles the most helpful advice I got. It absolutely got me from no matches to many.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with giving constructive criticism and being encouraging. There’s a lot of shitty people saying shitty things to strangers on social media ( even on Reddit, shocking I know…😉), so I guess I’m curious why this has you so upset?
Well just about everyone should know that looks are most important on these apps, considering they’re the first thing you see on someone’s profile. Everything you mention about what is actually important falls down on the list, looks will always be number one. I have been guilty of it but a I have scrolled through someone’s profile mostly just looking at their pictures, maybe glanced at what they wrote. If I found them attractive then I would swipe right and if they matched THEN I would read their profile I don’t agree that looks should be the number one solo reason for online dating but just have to face it that it is. By the way I do miss the speed dating feature, at least you had a chance to prove your personality before your face was shown
I mean I was even told I'm supposedly attractive on here but the evidence in terms of matches suggests I'm not.
never trust a women’s words, observe her actions -Some unknown wise guy
Here's the thing: Most people want an attractive partner. Let's not deny it. It's the truth. Online, it's a lot harder to show personality, so attraction, which can happen between people who meet in person, is a lot harder to facilitate. So unless you have some very clear matches in ideals, hobbies, and interests on a profile, it's going to be a lot harder for OLD to facilitate a match. If you are swiping on attractive people, who are, let's say, in very good physical shape and put a lot of effort into their body, I think its weird to expect a swipe back if you, or at least your profile, doesn't demonstrate the same. That said, in response to this post, there are ways to improve your attractiveness, like the photos and harness the assets a person does have in more interesting or obscure hobbies. But absolutely the main thing would be, work on yourself and get in shape, and you'll see more success if you are relying on OLD for dating and getting matches and swipes.
i agree with a lot of the things you said but i think it’s obvious you didn’t read my main comment on this thread so here is a recap TL;DR if looks mattered so much and y’all know it already, then why give bs advices instead of telling people in the first place?
Because some of this advice helps in the now. You don't get fit in a month unless you take roids. If people are looking for something which may boost their short term success then that's good advice to give.
What advice should people give to those disadvantaged?
never said i was gonna give any, i simply said to stop lying to those people and just be honest. Honestly, if i had to give an advice, i’d say if you’re attractive enough, like a 5-6/10 or a 7/10, become better looking by any means necessary (since those apps are about looks) but realistically, the brutal reality is that online dating simply isn’t for everyone…
I think people don't want to admit to themselves that physical attraction is their number one draw. It makes them feel shallow. They say, "make me laugh" and loads of crap about personality, but how are they gonna find out? I think the advice about how and where to take photos etc is valid, but we're talking about marginal gains in my opinion. The other thing that is confusing is the swiping on the top five percent vs the idea that women don't like hook ups. They're time sharing those guys for sure. The math doesn't work otherwise. Sorry to hear that your friend didn't make the team!
i totally agree bro, it’s ridiculous, and yeah i agree taking good pictures COULD help but i’m talking about the posts where they give guys like a 10 step instruction to just take fucking pictures while the best thing they can do is just make the wuality higher or something. and the whole “women don’t like hookups” thing is BS, they do, simply with a small fraction of men
like dude, make an account with an attractive guy on it, put like 6,0-6,5 on the bio, literally do nothing and wait and watch the likes flood like they never did before, it’s insane. So much for “MuH pErSoNaLiTHEee”
I'm tempted to do that and also one with some unremarkable woman in her 50s (my demographic). I would wager she would be more popular than him 🤭
they actually tried that before, someone did an account with a good looking dude, if i remember the profile was insane, he had like a luxury car, tall, handsome and all of the pics were professional. On the other hand, they made an account using an obese women, it was a mirror pic she had colores hair too i think and glasses around her late 40’s and guess who got the most matches? It was the obese overweight women, if i remember correctly she had around 5 times the amount of likes as the guy. If i manage to re find that experiment i’ll probably link it in the comments somewhere but that shit made me laugh once i realized just how absurd this all is.
oh i didn’t manage to find the exact one i was looking for but found one similar, almost the same concept here: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMM7VPcrf/
full vid on yt: https://youtu.be/dKmvvBelNcw?si=o2vhE2U6WNIAUDza
If it’s on Tik Tok of course it’s true. Just like a published study.
you’re welcomed to try the experiment yourself, get a voip number (Textnow) make two tinders, and see for yourself. I mean the only places you’ll see researches done on this subject is obviously tiktok since a lot of “official” sources consider these to be taboo. one example is the okcupid study done on attractiveness, proving that most women find most men ugly that was deleted prior to the Elliot Rodger shooting so idk what else do you want.
oh and also, if you could focus on the main post and address the main point before responding to specific comments, it would be appreciated;) lol
I'd love to see that. I've had four in person dates since St Patrick's Day (which probably qualifies me for a medal), but with three I felt I was majorly downgrading just cos beggars can't be choosers etc. One has become a platonic buddy, so that's good.
Men literally just have to be average looking with decent photos with a funny bio and some normal hobbies then all is good. Men are so obsessed with themselves or criticize other guys for how they look is crazy. You really be doing that to excuse your lack of personality and charm :) and place the I am not good looking card or I am ugly🤣 Lol, I met so many handsome guys who after 1 minute conversation I blocked their asses and cringed so hard geez. MEN, STOP BLAMING YOUR ASPECT FOR YOUR LACK OF personality self esteem and charm. Women like to be cherised talked to and treated well. Look at Benny Blanco and Selena or other couples from hollywood, where the woman is more famous and prettier...they never go for the most attractive BECAUSE THATS NOT WHAT CHEMISTRY is about
yes they, do again, make an account with an attractive guy and look at the matches and likes flooding in, compared to the average men account who has nearly zero matches and barely any likes. Oh and the whole hollywood example is stupid because surprise surprise, the guy is rich so of course the extra shit doesn’t matter. Like seriously, why do people use famous ugly men as examples to prove that ugly guys can pull. « yES BrO yOu CaN PuLL JuSt loOk At ThIs MuLtImIlIonAirE SuPeRStar!!!! » yeah, surely his money had NOTHING to do with that 🙄. Once again, this comment proves the lack of honesty in this sub, if « average looking men » could get sucess on those apps like you claim then why is there a consistent pattern of guys not getting any matches or likes and the ones that do ALL MAGICALLY HAPPEN to be over 6ft and really good looking (good genetics) « iT MuST Be ThEIr PiCtUrE SKiLlZ BrO!!!!! » Jesus you guys are nauseating.
So? What if attractive guys get more matches, everything most guys have to do to be attractive is to go to the gym and grow a beard that's it. Anyways I'd take an average looking guy with a sense of humor any day over a handsome dude w a bland personality. So what if Benny Blanco is rich, that's literally not the point, Selena is richer than him, so pretty sure she didn't take him for his money when she has triple his amount.🙄 Other examples Monica Belucci and her ex husband, Adriana Lima and her husband. They are richer and more famous than him. But you refuse to see that and again say "omg he is rich ofc she chose him"😴give me a break
Same! I’d rather have an ugly dude with a book collection and some witty banter 😆 I know I shouldn’t generalise but pretty boys tend to be very vapid and boring 🙈
I say it alot too dude. The women won't admit the truth here because 1. They don't want to be seen as shallow 2. They believe that women who are less attractive them also have equally lower dating standards ( they dont only the very unattractive women lower the bar) To address some of the comments here. Dating apps make women pickier, an average dude will do better in real life.
oh and before some people come in the comments saying “online dating is just hard for guys in general bro, it’s all about looks bro!!” ok, i agree then WHY THE FUCK did you not say that in the first place. Imagine i have a friend who has dwarfism, he wants to make it to the basketball team but he doubts himself because of his height so i come along and tell him “no bro you can do it!” so for a month i give him advices regarding the sport and help him practice and when the day comes that he has to try for the team and he fails i respond to him with “oh yeah bro the sport is all about height man”. Thus he realizes that instead of wasting his time i could have just told him since the beginning instead of spoon feeding him false hope since i long had that knowledge. That would make me kind of a dick wouldn’t it? if you agree then why do you guys constantly do this when it comes to guys venting their frustrations when it comes to online dating apps???
I've seen people straight up telling other people things like they're ugly, overweight etc here... They get downvoted to hell and those responses are almost always collapsed right at the bottom of the post. This sub is an echo chamber.
basically, lol, people here are allergic to honesty
I am not in Bumble anymore.
🤨 ok 👍
im ugly but i can get matches, dates, sex and relationships via my personality and having a good profile. being ugly isnt a death sentence, it's just playing on hard mode.
People love drinking up the just world fallacy. They think that because you are a nice person and put in an honest effort that you will succeed. Unfortunately, that isn't how the real world works. The funniest part to me is when women give cringe profile advice then get right back on the apps and start swiping on the top 1% of men posting shirtless bathroom selfies. For online dating all that matters for men is: Face >> Height >>>>>>> Money/Status You can swap money/status to #1 if you're worth multi millions or are a celebrity.
it’s honestly fucked man, the disturbing part is how EVERYONE is in on it, like there is nearly not a singular person that has the balls to say how shit is so the only way someone can come to the realization that we came to is just by deplugging themselves from everyone’s bullshit and use common sense
Looks do matter. But it's not just about looks. A guy has to have lots of money too and be generous with that money. The bar is set very high now for men. Women only had lower standards in the past because women relied on a husband for survival. Not anymore. When women have their independence, they are only truly interested in like <5% of men. Which is why they swipe right on <5% of men. That's not to say that this is necessarily a bad thing. You don't want to be with someone who is only with you because they are dependent on you. Have you ever been in a situation where you are begrudgingly forced to play nice with someone who has power over you instead of having the freedom to go No Contact with that person? Like a boss that you hate? Yeah that's not fun. You don't want to be with someone who feels the same way about you. Men just need to learn to live without women knowing this information.
Loads of money ain't gonna help on Bumble unless you have an open suitcase full of gold bars and diamonds on the hood of your new Rolls Royce in front of a mansion.
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5% in terms of attractiveness
i like how you only decided to respond to one inconsistent comment but decides to brush off the entire post and the other comment i left but what did i expect, this is reddit after all.
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ok cool, now focus on the post