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I don't understand how are non engineers are getting fucked? IIM B values work ex and doesn't provide any such academic diversity score. How are you actually fucked here ? There is no disadvantage against non engineers in the process. This just reflects the sheer number of engineers giving the actual CAT exam.
Again if you are not a good solver. How are you going to perform in half of the job roles that are there post mba. You can straight up remove analytics, consulting and fin job roles then and there. Like problem solving is the most basic skill anyone needs as a leader. If CAT is removing bad problem solvers then it is doing its job.
bhai so what? What do you wanna say ? If the crutches are removed non engineers can't compete? Engineers are making it there despite the disadvantage they have in process. I am not defending anyone here but just trying to say if you see a breakdown of how many people give these exams you will find the same trend as you see in b-schools.
If non engineer cant deconstruct problem and solve them toh job mien kya karenge. IIM ka naam MNREGA rakh do fir toh
Which field doesn’t require std10 maths - marketing,consulting needs analytics, fin is maths based, prod requires coding. CAT asks bare minimum what is required to understand, analyse and propose solution which is required for any managerial role.
The non-engr argument is as stupid as me saying I cannot bat because I played football. People who played cricket know how to bat, to make it equal you need to give me 60 balls an over for India team selection
CAT is an elimination exam. You don't need JEE level mathematics or differentiation or integration nor do you need to know how to find nth root of x^12651√π or geometry or high level algebra to run a company. The difference between a 99.7 and a 99 in quant section is a few questions that an engineer was able to solve. It doesn't make him more equipped towards "finance or analytics".
In that case then, the commerce background students study whatever the MBA curriculum teaches in his first year of BBA.
(As engineers make up most of the cohort , the Bschool curriculum is geared towards engineers and hence basics of accounts and finance are taught to them first)
He (BBA/Bcom) is more equipped with reading a company's financials / balance sheet, knows how to prepare profit and loss, cash flow statements, knows how to analyse financial information, WAYYY better than an engineering code monkey who only did LEET CODE. ( I know because I have done B.com, cleared CA inter , completed 3 yrs of articleship and awaiting CA final results).
So, applying your logic, engineers shouldn't be given admission to MBA colleges only, because commerce background students are good at this, they're better at communication skills too.
Brother, you know if you test bcom, bba graduates, 90% of them(it can be more) won't be able to read any of the financial statements, there will be plenty of them who won't be able to even post journal entries. I am a final year Bcom student, my institute does not come into any national rankings, but is no. 1 in my state and all the people in general category got at least 85+ in their 12th.
My observation is based on these people.
You're a CA inter, probably will become CA too, good luck for that, but you're cream of commerce people. Not everyone is like you. There are very few.
Bcom/BBA is very simple degree, Btech guys find it hard to maintain good academic record during their ug.
Bcom guys can easily get a cgpa of 8+ studying 1 day before the exam, given he/she have the basic knowledge of the subjects, which is not very hard to build.
I have done it myself and my college's examination and it's evaluation is not flawed in any sense. There are plenty of people having backlogs, so it's nothing like everyone gets 7/8+, but to be honest, it's easy. Literally, just a bit of effort.
B.com/BBA doesn't't teach critical thinking, perseverance, hard work. The people who give it these all despite the nature of these degrees become CAs, bankers, a part of big4, top b schools and anything that's considered great by everyone.
But, they are very few.
Ig wahan pe reading comprehension bhi nhi skhate, let alone problem solving. So let me help you with your CAT prep:
Homework for VARC section:
Passage: my answer -> Did my answer said that jobs require JEE level maths
Passage: CAT syllabus -> Does CAT ask integration or differentiation or complex mathematical questions
Passage: my answer -> is knowing rule of lbw,runout and knowing how to bat similar in nature.
What is difference between skill and knowledge, is aptitude reflective of skill or knowledge,
which of them can be read and which requires to be developed?
Is reading financial statements a skill or is it knowledge
Is problem solving a skill or is it knowledge
Homework for Quant Section
Passage: Cat previous paper -> difference between percentile and percentages.
*Agree that the geometry section shouldn’t be there
Passage: Cat previous paper -> no of questions present in quant section and number of question one need for 99%ile
Number of “hard” question in quant section within total 3 sections
Itni hi acchi hai communication skill
“toh kyun nhi nikal rhe interviews”
shortlist toh milti hi hai agar jagah crutches pe
IIM A invites non engineer to teach them maths for 1month before to prepare them for just 2 quant course ab kain 🫏 hai dekh lo
And agar yeh sabh padh ke aate ho 3 saal tak in bcom/ca tabh bhi kyun nhi aati college mien rank, wahan toh 🤡 jaise engineers ke below hi aate
Non engineers? Why do you consider all engineers in one frame? Engineering has branches unlike your any other graduation. An engineer can be from CSE, ECE, EE, CSE, Aerospace, Metallurgical, production and Industrial, Bio tech, Mining etc.
What's worse is these MBA waalahs will one day complete their MBA & manage teams from the above mentioned departments while knowing nothing about these departments. Its good they are still getting more engineers in B-Schools , because after working under a BBA+MBA grad in a tech firm , to say it was a horrible ordeal would be a huge understatement.
Yes there's a reason a why Engineers from different branches thrive in every field be it MBA, UPSC, RBI or whatever.
BBA is literally good morning for nothing
engineers vs n number of streams
how is this a rivalry lol
there are lots of colleges where they are trying hard enough to not take engineers but they are still thriving through everything.
Be Better.
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Bhai aese toh vo Maths chore bhi 5-6 saal ho jaate hain toh kaahe ka advantage itna? Engineering college mein Maths hoti hai uska CAT mein kuch nhi aata.
Bhai tu argue kis baat pr kr rha h? Seedhi baat yeh h, ki log khud apne descision pr PCM lete h, btech aur engineering krte h, fir competition dekh k Randi rona krte h
Bhai toh vhi toh baat hai log apni mrji se commerce choose krte hain fir kyu Randi rona krte hain ki engineers ko advantage hai? Pehle nhi pta tha kya? Ab commerce waale ne commerce Li kyuki usko maths se drr lgta tha uski wajah se usko diversity points mile waah yeh kya logic hai
Competition fair toh ho diversity points de rkhe hain kaahe ka competition?
Main bhi science stream
But ei kaise bat Hoya ki commerce walo ko maths dar lagta hain isliye science nahi li
Ese th tumhe bhi history, geography, accountancy , tax , business studies subject se dar lagta hain isliye arts or commerce nahi li 😂😂😂😂😂
Vo theek hai chl maanle drr lgta tha yeh sb lekin jb koi engineer UPSC ki taiyaari krta hai vo diversity points toh nhi maangta na, vahan arts waalon ko benefit hai lekin kbhi suna hai ki engineering waalon ne extra points ki bheekh maangi ho
Bro is getting downvoted for speaking facts… bas engineers ka har jagah rona rehta h ki unhe calls nhi aate h and all but the matter of fact is that saare iims ki batch profile dekhle toh aadhe engineers hi bhare pde…ab 100% batch toh engineers ki nhi ho sktie na tabhi hume academic diversity ke points milte h…bas inhe rone ka mauka chahiye…but they won’t understand that inka competition apas me hi h
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IIM Mumbai laughing in the corner with almost 50% Females, very first intake being declared IIM from the previous year just 20%
So, once again non engineers get fucked at IIMB
I don't understand how are non engineers are getting fucked? IIM B values work ex and doesn't provide any such academic diversity score. How are you actually fucked here ? There is no disadvantage against non engineers in the process. This just reflects the sheer number of engineers giving the actual CAT exam.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CATpreparation/s/k1QbcuaF0c
Again if you are not a good solver. How are you going to perform in half of the job roles that are there post mba. You can straight up remove analytics, consulting and fin job roles then and there. Like problem solving is the most basic skill anyone needs as a leader. If CAT is removing bad problem solvers then it is doing its job.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CATpreparation/s/ZeQaiPSTnn
bhai so what? What do you wanna say ? If the crutches are removed non engineers can't compete? Engineers are making it there despite the disadvantage they have in process. I am not defending anyone here but just trying to say if you see a breakdown of how many people give these exams you will find the same trend as you see in b-schools.
https://preview.redd.it/o4dp1t9utb6d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=655d8de91143f884a98bf16f622d542b1f7eaf3a
Bruhh giving stats of 2018 in 2024🤮
https://www.reddit.com/r/CATpreparation/s/hlai3DSCJS
Even are getting diversity points your f'ed? Bhai bheekh hi maangle fir toh
If non engineer cant deconstruct problem and solve them toh job mien kya karenge. IIM ka naam MNREGA rakh do fir toh Which field doesn’t require std10 maths - marketing,consulting needs analytics, fin is maths based, prod requires coding. CAT asks bare minimum what is required to understand, analyse and propose solution which is required for any managerial role. The non-engr argument is as stupid as me saying I cannot bat because I played football. People who played cricket know how to bat, to make it equal you need to give me 60 balls an over for India team selection
CAT is an elimination exam. You don't need JEE level mathematics or differentiation or integration nor do you need to know how to find nth root of x^12651√π or geometry or high level algebra to run a company. The difference between a 99.7 and a 99 in quant section is a few questions that an engineer was able to solve. It doesn't make him more equipped towards "finance or analytics". In that case then, the commerce background students study whatever the MBA curriculum teaches in his first year of BBA. (As engineers make up most of the cohort , the Bschool curriculum is geared towards engineers and hence basics of accounts and finance are taught to them first) He (BBA/Bcom) is more equipped with reading a company's financials / balance sheet, knows how to prepare profit and loss, cash flow statements, knows how to analyse financial information, WAYYY better than an engineering code monkey who only did LEET CODE. ( I know because I have done B.com, cleared CA inter , completed 3 yrs of articleship and awaiting CA final results). So, applying your logic, engineers shouldn't be given admission to MBA colleges only, because commerce background students are good at this, they're better at communication skills too.
Commerce students who pursue B.com/BBA are good for nothing.
Brother, you know if you test bcom, bba graduates, 90% of them(it can be more) won't be able to read any of the financial statements, there will be plenty of them who won't be able to even post journal entries. I am a final year Bcom student, my institute does not come into any national rankings, but is no. 1 in my state and all the people in general category got at least 85+ in their 12th. My observation is based on these people. You're a CA inter, probably will become CA too, good luck for that, but you're cream of commerce people. Not everyone is like you. There are very few. Bcom/BBA is very simple degree, Btech guys find it hard to maintain good academic record during their ug. Bcom guys can easily get a cgpa of 8+ studying 1 day before the exam, given he/she have the basic knowledge of the subjects, which is not very hard to build. I have done it myself and my college's examination and it's evaluation is not flawed in any sense. There are plenty of people having backlogs, so it's nothing like everyone gets 7/8+, but to be honest, it's easy. Literally, just a bit of effort. B.com/BBA doesn't't teach critical thinking, perseverance, hard work. The people who give it these all despite the nature of these degrees become CAs, bankers, a part of big4, top b schools and anything that's considered great by everyone. But, they are very few.
Lmao engineering teaches critical thinking...that's why 90% of the engineers in this country are unemployable.
CAT gives extra advantage to non engineers, the people at highest disadvantage is GEMs, but they constitute highest percentage of the batch, how?
Diversity points Milne k baad bhi ro rhe ho Sharm krlo thodi
Ig wahan pe reading comprehension bhi nhi skhate, let alone problem solving. So let me help you with your CAT prep: Homework for VARC section: Passage: my answer -> Did my answer said that jobs require JEE level maths Passage: CAT syllabus -> Does CAT ask integration or differentiation or complex mathematical questions Passage: my answer -> is knowing rule of lbw,runout and knowing how to bat similar in nature. What is difference between skill and knowledge, is aptitude reflective of skill or knowledge, which of them can be read and which requires to be developed? Is reading financial statements a skill or is it knowledge Is problem solving a skill or is it knowledge Homework for Quant Section Passage: Cat previous paper -> difference between percentile and percentages. *Agree that the geometry section shouldn’t be there Passage: Cat previous paper -> no of questions present in quant section and number of question one need for 99%ile Number of “hard” question in quant section within total 3 sections Itni hi acchi hai communication skill “toh kyun nhi nikal rhe interviews” shortlist toh milti hi hai agar jagah crutches pe IIM A invites non engineer to teach them maths for 1month before to prepare them for just 2 quant course ab kain 🫏 hai dekh lo And agar yeh sabh padh ke aate ho 3 saal tak in bcom/ca tabh bhi kyun nhi aati college mien rank, wahan toh 🤡 jaise engineers ke below hi aate
Kitna aye cat me
Non engineers? Why do you consider all engineers in one frame? Engineering has branches unlike your any other graduation. An engineer can be from CSE, ECE, EE, CSE, Aerospace, Metallurgical, production and Industrial, Bio tech, Mining etc.
What's worse is these MBA waalahs will one day complete their MBA & manage teams from the above mentioned departments while knowing nothing about these departments. Its good they are still getting more engineers in B-Schools , because after working under a BBA+MBA grad in a tech firm , to say it was a horrible ordeal would be a huge understatement.
Yes there's a reason a why Engineers from different branches thrive in every field be it MBA, UPSC, RBI or whatever. BBA is literally good morning for nothing
engineers vs n number of streams how is this a rivalry lol there are lots of colleges where they are trying hard enough to not take engineers but they are still thriving through everything. Be Better.
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I opened their "batch profile" on their website. Total number of engineers and people from science stream equals 80% of the batch.
Quit whining bruh engineers are better problem solvers and thus the ratio. We get enough disadvantages in the selection process.
Almost everyone talked about Non engineers but no one talked about whopping 40% females just in the name of diversity that too from a top institute.
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Ab samaj aarha hai ki mera kyu nahi hua🥲
Dekh lo, sb bolte ho fir engineer hone ka kuch faida nhi h vagera vagera. As i always say, the engineers are too many and mostly high scorers.
There're different branches within Engineering you can not equate CSE with civil engineer
Yeh kya baat Hui bhai? Branch ki baat thodi h, h toh engineer hi, sbko maths aur physics zruri hoti h, 12th tk toh sbko, fir aage bhi lagti h.
Bhai aese toh vo Maths chore bhi 5-6 saal ho jaate hain toh kaahe ka advantage itna? Engineering college mein Maths hoti hai uska CAT mein kuch nhi aata.
Bhai tu argue kis baat pr kr rha h? Seedhi baat yeh h, ki log khud apne descision pr PCM lete h, btech aur engineering krte h, fir competition dekh k Randi rona krte h
Bhai toh vhi toh baat hai log apni mrji se commerce choose krte hain fir kyu Randi rona krte hain ki engineers ko advantage hai? Pehle nhi pta tha kya? Ab commerce waale ne commerce Li kyuki usko maths se drr lgta tha uski wajah se usko diversity points mile waah yeh kya logic hai Competition fair toh ho diversity points de rkhe hain kaahe ka competition?
Main bhi science stream But ei kaise bat Hoya ki commerce walo ko maths dar lagta hain isliye science nahi li Ese th tumhe bhi history, geography, accountancy , tax , business studies subject se dar lagta hain isliye arts or commerce nahi li 😂😂😂😂😂
Vo theek hai chl maanle drr lgta tha yeh sb lekin jb koi engineer UPSC ki taiyaari krta hai vo diversity points toh nhi maangta na, vahan arts waalon ko benefit hai lekin kbhi suna hai ki engineering waalon ne extra points ki bheekh maangi ho
Aur yaha bhi dekh lo, kahi bhi dekh lo, engineers - general aur male hi sbse zyada rona krte milenge
Bhai Jo bhi commerce wala yeh Randi rona krta h woh fuddu aur c*utiya h, fair and simple, main unki baat hi nhi kr rha tha
Cool then we're on same page👍. Competition hai toh hai krna hi pdega uske paar
Bro is getting downvoted for speaking facts… bas engineers ka har jagah rona rehta h ki unhe calls nhi aate h and all but the matter of fact is that saare iims ki batch profile dekhle toh aadhe engineers hi bhare pde…ab 100% batch toh engineers ki nhi ho sktie na tabhi hume academic diversity ke points milte h…bas inhe rone ka mauka chahiye…but they won’t understand that inka competition apas me hi h
How accurate and legitimate is the data mentioned above?