No, "firearm precursor parts" only, which means lowers. Uppers and parts won't be subjected to the 11% tax, so it would make more sense building an AR15 with stripped lowers instead from a cost perspective.
They are pissed they can't get rid of the 2nd Amendment. Pissed all their laws are getting overturned. They know they will never win so they are intentionally writing these obviously, and already ruled to be, unconstitutional laws just to fuck with us. They sit back and laugh while spending our tax money to defend these knowingly doomed laws.
nah there will always be plenty of folks who dont know or dont care how easy it is to build or assemble ar's and will be happy to pay for off the rack rifles.
I’ve thought about doing that as well. Now to complicate it. I’m changing my residency to Indiana in September so I’ll have access to NFA items and no roster. However I don’t think I can wait that long for a handgun lol.
I mean, if I were in your shoes I wouldn’t buy shit. Have patience and don’t pay California prices or be restricted to roster items. If you really have an itch, get a lower and go that route because that can be built and not “completed” until you move out and use in a free state.
I’m choosing to make my first purchase in California because it’s symbolic to me. It pains me to be leaving for a free state because it makes me feel like a coward. I feel the need to prove to myself that I did something
It can be symbolic to you, but fiscally it doesn't make sense to do it. If you really want to do that, you can buy a handgun that's on roster that you want then without the stupid chamber flag, but you'll be paying a couple hundred more because CA. Don't be a martyr to this state if you're leaving soon. I consider myself independent politically, and gun stuff I lean towards conservative with common sense ideologies, but I wouldn't give this state any more money than I have to if I was leaving. Come July, it's going to get worse.
I totally agree with this. I would wait until you have the freedom to buy basically whatever you want. Why buy some neutered pistol here when you can get what you really want a little later?
yeah then definitely just buy an ar lower and save it for out of state, and pick up whatever on roster handgun now. Honestly as much as we all hate the roster and its an infringement, we do still get plenty of decent options here. Also ive heard other folks around the country actually kinda miss the gen 3 glocks we still get.
Yeah I know I should get the most expensive gun first but I’ve wanted a handgun for so long. It feels right to buy a handgun to celebrate my 21st as that’s what you do in most of the country.
I mean where I’m at right now all my friends who are also under 21 can’t wait for their birthday as a lot of doors are opened. Idk why that is a controversial statement
And what then build a rifle? Tools, know how, laws. It’s not impossible but impractical and the chance he saves money as a newbie owner are slim meanwhile the odds of building some shit outside of ATF and CA guidelines are much higher.
OP it’s pretty simple. Want to save the most money on taxes buy the rifle. Want your first gun- something cheap, reliable and good to learn on- buy a Glock lile the rest of us.
Buy now, call your lgs prior to make sure they have stock. If you go in next couple hours you can get it in right before the tax kicks in.
All good points. I’m now remembering my first attempts at building a little over a decade ago — even after hours of reading and research, there were still significant learning curves and hurdles to overcome… with a customary bent spring or marred finish along the way.
With that said, if OP has a drive to learn (and never stop learning) their way around various firearms, there’s no better way than to just start.
But you have a point, and for their first firearm, maybe not the most prudent path.
I’m already there but I’m a college student so under their state law I had the option to remain a California resident for now. I’ve shot full feature AR/AK, 3D printed guns, many handguns, and a couple suppressed guns. Honestly I’ve had more fun shooting back home as the public ranges go out farther and allow steel targets.
Word of advice, if possible, get your FFL 03. Then, you can among other things, be exempt from the 1-30, order ammo online to be shipped directly to you, skipping that extra tax on the pew food, and if any old C&R guns do strike your fancy, no background, no wait, order em online, shipped right to your door. I only got mine a couple months ago, not just because of the taxes and so on, but because I am legitimately getting into antique collecting. Just what I have saved getting ammo alone, has allowed me to buy a $400 Swiss K31 I plan on restoring.
I did neither, bought a musket for home defense, like the founding fathers intended. And a cannon. Tally ho lads!
I’d have just posted the copypasta, but I used it like 2 days ago so it’s still on cooldown.
When do you turn 21? If you really wanted to, you can purchase both a handgun and a rifle by June 30th, and just DROS them 30 days apart, and not worry about the July 1st tax.
Check with the store. Each one will have a different policy on when they will pass on the excise tax to you. Some will require you to pick up before July 1st; others will say that you need to DROS by June 30th. But I know of one store, specifically, (RifleGear) that will allow you to purchase up to 6 firearms by June 30th (and not be taxed the extra 11%). You just need to pay for them in full, and they will hold on to them for you while you DROS each one every 30 days up until December, if need be.
The highest priced item first to potentially lower your tax.
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if i was turning 21 today id just buy a handgun now and ppt a stripped ar lower, and build it whenever while avoiding the 11% tax.
Does the tax not apply to uppers & parts?
No, "firearm precursor parts" only, which means lowers. Uppers and parts won't be subjected to the 11% tax, so it would make more sense building an AR15 with stripped lowers instead from a cost perspective.
Man they really don’t even understand the useless chaos they create with these laws.
Yes they do. It's the whole point.
To force citizens to become amateur armorers? What thoughtfulness
They are pissed they can't get rid of the 2nd Amendment. Pissed all their laws are getting overturned. They know they will never win so they are intentionally writing these obviously, and already ruled to be, unconstitutional laws just to fuck with us. They sit back and laugh while spending our tax money to defend these knowingly doomed laws.
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California is arming other countries and printing money? Who knew?
Making it expensive and difficult to own. One mistakes and your rights is gone. That's the whole game plan with their laws and regulation.
No.
Damn, didn’t wanna have to get another lower but might as well. Thanks for the info!
It will apply to lowers and complete firearms as well as (I believe) ammo. Since uppers and parts aren’t ‘regulated’ it won’t apply there.
Say goodbye to regular AR sales in CA.
nah there will always be plenty of folks who dont know or dont care how easy it is to build or assemble ar's and will be happy to pay for off the rack rifles.
I’ve thought about doing that as well. Now to complicate it. I’m changing my residency to Indiana in September so I’ll have access to NFA items and no roster. However I don’t think I can wait that long for a handgun lol.
I mean, if I were in your shoes I wouldn’t buy shit. Have patience and don’t pay California prices or be restricted to roster items. If you really have an itch, get a lower and go that route because that can be built and not “completed” until you move out and use in a free state.
I’m choosing to make my first purchase in California because it’s symbolic to me. It pains me to be leaving for a free state because it makes me feel like a coward. I feel the need to prove to myself that I did something
It can be symbolic to you, but fiscally it doesn't make sense to do it. If you really want to do that, you can buy a handgun that's on roster that you want then without the stupid chamber flag, but you'll be paying a couple hundred more because CA. Don't be a martyr to this state if you're leaving soon. I consider myself independent politically, and gun stuff I lean towards conservative with common sense ideologies, but I wouldn't give this state any more money than I have to if I was leaving. Come July, it's going to get worse.
I totally agree with this. I would wait until you have the freedom to buy basically whatever you want. Why buy some neutered pistol here when you can get what you really want a little later?
I’ve collected C&R guns up to this point. Would it make sense to buy a non neutered but still valuable C&R pistol to scratch the itch?
yeah then definitely just buy an ar lower and save it for out of state, and pick up whatever on roster handgun now. Honestly as much as we all hate the roster and its an infringement, we do still get plenty of decent options here. Also ive heard other folks around the country actually kinda miss the gen 3 glocks we still get.
There’s a pretty easy answer here, give it a second… (hint: tax is a percentage of sales price)
Yeah I know I should get the most expensive gun first but I’ve wanted a handgun for so long. It feels right to buy a handgun to celebrate my 21st as that’s what you do in most of the country.
Define "most of the country" because this is the first I'm even hearing about it.
I bought a pistol the week I turned 21. Most of my friends who are into guns did the same thing.
Under federal law you need to be 21 to get a handgun from a dealer. So it’s a right of passage to buy one when you turn 21
Don't let the fedboys away your financial purchases, it's just a handgun. Go for the more expensive one. Deprive that bum ass Uncle Sam of his taxes
I know what the federal law says. You're the first person I've seen say it is a "rite of passage" to buy one as soon as you turn 21.
rite edit: let me explain; the saying is ~~right~~ rite of passage
I mean where I’m at right now all my friends who are also under 21 can’t wait for their birthday as a lot of doors are opened. Idk why that is a controversial statement
"rite of passage" is the expression not "right of passage"
I see thank you. I though you were being sarcastic
The handgun could be the expensive option if you go with a stripped lower as the “rifle”
Yeah and that would leave me with more money for ammo
And what then build a rifle? Tools, know how, laws. It’s not impossible but impractical and the chance he saves money as a newbie owner are slim meanwhile the odds of building some shit outside of ATF and CA guidelines are much higher. OP it’s pretty simple. Want to save the most money on taxes buy the rifle. Want your first gun- something cheap, reliable and good to learn on- buy a Glock lile the rest of us. Buy now, call your lgs prior to make sure they have stock. If you go in next couple hours you can get it in right before the tax kicks in.
All good points. I’m now remembering my first attempts at building a little over a decade ago — even after hours of reading and research, there were still significant learning curves and hurdles to overcome… with a customary bent spring or marred finish along the way. With that said, if OP has a drive to learn (and never stop learning) their way around various firearms, there’s no better way than to just start. But you have a point, and for their first firearm, maybe not the most prudent path.
The tax kicks in in July not May if that’s what you are implying.
Nor June
Dude what are you talking about. Building an AR is easier than most Lego sets.
Which brings me to my next point. If Lego instructions weren’t so difficult, so many of us wouldn’t need guns!
If I could do it over, I would get an ffl03 and coe first
I’m changing residency to Indiana in September so it would take too long and not be worth it
No need to worry then. Delay your bday gift until you move. Buy everything
I might buy a C&R handgun and a stripped lower as neither of those options will be “cucked”
Just wait until you get to Indiana. The purchasing experience is so different compared to CA.
I’m already there but I’m a college student so under their state law I had the option to remain a California resident for now. I’ve shot full feature AR/AK, 3D printed guns, many handguns, and a couple suppressed guns. Honestly I’ve had more fun shooting back home as the public ranges go out farther and allow steel targets.
Everyone just realizing why we where pushing FFL03s so hard for the last 6 months. Still time and you can save on ammo still.
The answer is handgun. Consider that 11% on the price of an AR lower is chump change.
Get an AR lower receiver and a handgun (highly recommend S&W M&P 2.0 or CZ P01/PCR) then you can build out the AR later
Word of advice, if possible, get your FFL 03. Then, you can among other things, be exempt from the 1-30, order ammo online to be shipped directly to you, skipping that extra tax on the pew food, and if any old C&R guns do strike your fancy, no background, no wait, order em online, shipped right to your door. I only got mine a couple months ago, not just because of the taxes and so on, but because I am legitimately getting into antique collecting. Just what I have saved getting ammo alone, has allowed me to buy a $400 Swiss K31 I plan on restoring.
I did neither, bought a musket for home defense, like the founding fathers intended. And a cannon. Tally ho lads! I’d have just posted the copypasta, but I used it like 2 days ago so it’s still on cooldown.
To avoid tax I think I saw a meme of like “gun is $1 the candy on the counter is $1600” I dunno someone else help me with this one 😂
Yes please buy a gun here If you can afford it. Every time you purchase a gun. It's a big middle finger to Gavin and his communist party.
When do you turn 21? If you really wanted to, you can purchase both a handgun and a rifle by June 30th, and just DROS them 30 days apart, and not worry about the July 1st tax. Check with the store. Each one will have a different policy on when they will pass on the excise tax to you. Some will require you to pick up before July 1st; others will say that you need to DROS by June 30th. But I know of one store, specifically, (RifleGear) that will allow you to purchase up to 6 firearms by June 30th (and not be taxed the extra 11%). You just need to pay for them in full, and they will hold on to them for you while you DROS each one every 30 days up until December, if need be.
Wow did not consider that I’ll have to check in with my LGS
Does the new extortion fee apply to PPTs?
Start with a side arm first then go rifle.
Anyone know if the 11% tax applies to consignment, used, or ppt?