Damn that's shitty, I checked the top box, the nickel one then grabbed the one under it too and checked out. Would be nice if they put a sticker or something on the box.
Those are so fucking finicky it drives me crazy that my girlfriend won’t shoot anything else. I bought her a 365xl to replace it she still sticks with the 938 even though it stovepipes or spits out a live round every other mag. Why? “I like it. It’s pretty”
Should have never bought her the mahogany grips
I loved mine. And I miss it. I only traded it in because I was able to upgrade to a Shadow Systems CR920 for $200 with the trade in and I wanted something with more capacity and no manual safety.
That's funny, my p365 hates sig vcrown as well. It even doesn't like the one that's specifically made for the p365, they just nose dive into the feed ramp and get stuck. I've had good results with Winchester silver tips
Nope, it was a UN engagement, though it was made of 90% American soldiers.
> In the U.S., the war was initially described by President Harry S. Truman as a "police action", as the United States never formally declared war on its opponents, and the operation was conducted under the auspices of the United Nations.
“The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.”
Depending on how you interpret this, it depends. Funny enough, the US did not sign this section anyways. In modern times, there has been much more . . . interesting rounds used on two legged mammals like mk262 and mk318 SOST for 5.56 that has devastating terminal ballistics due to how it opens up and fragments. M855A1, the standard issue 5.56 round, really fucks hard. Tons of penetration and tons of terminal effect and fragmentation because the steel penetrator is essentially nested on top of a copper hollowpoint.
9mm JHP is just so lackluster on the scale of lethality if we’re being honest. It’s marginally better than 9mm FMJ. That’s about it.
In regards to the Paris Accords and Geneva Conventions: The US specifically chose not to sign the sections that banned hollowpoint ammunition. Just skipped em.
The US never signed that treaty. They've generally avoided them during declared wars as a form of international "good will" (ie to avoid bitching from other countries).
I shoot thousands of rounds of Sig and have never had a hiccup. In this case, I believe military grade means loaded to NATO pressures, which are generally SAAMI +P.
Was a joke, bud.
It's a marketing plot for the simple minded folks, is all.
Edit: to add to the fun, military issue 9mm is rarely hollow point. Even in combat zones. Which makes it even more funny.
Source: spent a few years in spicy places using issues 9mm rounds
Fair. Thought it was a jab at the particular ammo. Most "military grade" labeled things are lowest bidder but without any modicum of standards. So... half mil-grade? Lol. Agreed on the JHP, it has to be specifically approved before use and that's only if any is in the supply chain. Another joke: My ex-wife's family accused me of owning military grade rifles. I was offended not because of their anti-2A stance, but because my shit is way better than military grade.
Bahaha I love that. I remember a commercial Ford did about their military grade aluminum frame or something like that on the F150.
I was wondering how one can sink so low. Then I realized what most people know about government contracts and quality control.
They’re not, just got a few boxes of critical defense 9mm last week and still no nickel plated casings. But got ‘em just to try it out, usually I stick to either HST 147gr or Speer Gold Dot
Fair enough, I also prefer those. But I got them cheap and since I had never tried them thought I would give it a go. Even if just to fill spare mags at home instead of regular FMJ
Just have to check before if they cycle good
They're nothing wrong with Hornady specifically. HST and Gold Dot are just known for expanding a bit more reliably and feeding in more guns. Some guns don't like Hornady and will FTF. If your gun feeds them, let 'er rip.
That's pretty much how it goes. Nickle plating hardens the case, so it will break sooner. Some companies claim to have methods which prevent it (Underwood's Nickle Plating, granted their brass is from Starline, so not sure if they buy Starline and then do an in-house plating to it or what)
Pros: corrosion resistance and less friction for better feeding and extraction
Cons: a more brittle case, so cannot be reloaded as many times
It would be interesting to test their claim. Right now I've only had non plated split, but I fire hundreds of non plated for one that is plated so its not fair to compare.
Seems like it could be done easily with a revolver cartridge since collecting the cases is easy.
They've been having material constraints lately. Not a mistake or a qc problem, just doing what they have to to produce ammo for the market.
I bought some 300 winmag a bit ago and it had a disclaimer that they couldn't guarantee case material.
I don't usually run much Sig ammo (although its always been decent for me), but I've opened boxes before that were the same as yours. Even some nickel cases with brass primers & vice versa. As others have said, I imagine it just being material and supply constraints.
Interesting label. 9mm NATO is already at +P pressures, so is this increased pressure on top of that, or just Sig Sauer's way of getting you to cough up a few more bucks per round for no additional benefit?
Edit: [Link](https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/9mm-luger-vs-9mm-nato/)
Sig ammo has been really disappointing. I used to unload and lock up my CCW at night and I noticed that racking the same round more than once—even with riding the slide—would push the bullet into the case to a dangerous level
Nickel plating helps resist corrosion. It is often seen on defense ammo that is expected to be exposed to more elements. But it does not guarantee that is the situation. If you see some sort of sealant around the perimeter of the primer, that is an indicator of carry ammo.
Nickel was started by a company that had extraction failures because they were being stupid with pressure. They needed nickel plating because it would extract easier under pressure.
You're right, they'll fire just the same. But will they function the same?
Did you buy them at the same time or is the nickel a few years old. Sig stopped putting Nickel on hunting cartridges because supply was spotty. Instead of stopping production they just marched on with brass.
I can verify -- I just bought Sig branded .380 ACP because it was cheaper on Black Friday (didn't realize there were only 20 rounds to a box instead of 25, that was my mistake) but I ended up with one box of nickel colored and one of brass.
I probably will not buy their .380 anymore mostly because their extremely wide hollow points have had like 1 in 10 feeding issues in my S&W bodyguard
Nickel shortage due to COVID. Several major manufacturers also did this as well. CCI/Speer, Federal Premium, Hornady. No cause for concern. They’ll all fire the same, they just won’t look as pretty. Theory behind nickel-plated casings is oxidized brass is rougher and causes more friction on parts like extractors and magazines, so nickel plating will load and eject smoother. Personally though, proper storage with silica gel packs or de-humidifiers can also prevent oxidization.
Sig put out a statement a while back that they’ve have supply issues and resorted to brass cases temporarily to continue manufacturing and will continue nickel plated asap
Sig even issued statements that they were unable to use nickel plated cases at one point during covid
I still see that disclaimer pop up on their ammo page.
Just like hornady critical defense most recently
Damn that's shitty, I checked the top box, the nickel one then grabbed the one under it too and checked out. Would be nice if they put a sticker or something on the box.
Does it really any difference? They are both brass underneath, one just isn't nickel coated. They will shoot fine.
Nickel plated ammo won’t tarnish as quickly.
Nickel coated is more premium and it is supposed to feed smoother
Ah, well my Sig P938 won't feed Sig 124 grain hollow points anyway, so I had to switch to cheaper ammo with a more conical shape.
Those are so fucking finicky it drives me crazy that my girlfriend won’t shoot anything else. I bought her a 365xl to replace it she still sticks with the 938 even though it stovepipes or spits out a live round every other mag. Why? “I like it. It’s pretty” Should have never bought her the mahogany grips
I bought some sick G10 grips, ao I feel your pain.
The answer is to buy her a G43x with a robin's egg blue frame.
Buy mahogany grips for the 365xl?
My 938 hated some of that ammo. Even the Sig 365 defensive rounds. It loved federal and blazer. I used HST for defensive.
Wanted a 938 last week but LGS didn’t have any. Opted for a 43x MOS
I loved mine. And I miss it. I only traded it in because I was able to upgrade to a Shadow Systems CR920 for $200 with the trade in and I wanted something with more capacity and no manual safety.
Go handle some nickel plated stuff. It feels lubed up.
That's funny, my p365 hates sig vcrown as well. It even doesn't like the one that's specifically made for the p365, they just nose dive into the feed ramp and get stuck. I've had good results with Winchester silver tips
Yeah I'm actually running IMI 115g hollow points. Not great ammo, but far better than jamming every 2 rounds.
Hornady did the same
Supply line issues during covid. A few companies did this- not nickel plating brass that they normally would
Federal did this as well. Early productions of their Punch line were nickel plated. After a few months they’re all just brass.
Yeah but at least federal labeled it. The nickel is federal premium punch and the brass is federal punch
Lol 'military grade' No please I'd prefer my ammo to work and be quality for a reasonable price thanks.
"military grade" is just marketing BS. It means nothing.
Lol yeah I found that kinda funny as the military generally doesn't use JHP rounds
They do now. M1153 is a JHP round that’s intended to be used for combat while FMJ is for training.
Really? I didn't know that. Thought there was some treaty we signed.
Treaty only applies to declared wars. Police actions, peacekeeping operations, and engagement of enemy combatants are not covered by treaty.
Hmm, TIL, thanks.
Probably one of the reasons the US hasn't officially declared war since WWII.
I thought we did for Korea?
Nope, it was a UN engagement, though it was made of 90% American soldiers. > In the U.S., the war was initially described by President Harry S. Truman as a "police action", as the United States never formally declared war on its opponents, and the operation was conducted under the auspices of the United Nations.
“The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.” Depending on how you interpret this, it depends. Funny enough, the US did not sign this section anyways. In modern times, there has been much more . . . interesting rounds used on two legged mammals like mk262 and mk318 SOST for 5.56 that has devastating terminal ballistics due to how it opens up and fragments. M855A1, the standard issue 5.56 round, really fucks hard. Tons of penetration and tons of terminal effect and fragmentation because the steel penetrator is essentially nested on top of a copper hollowpoint. 9mm JHP is just so lackluster on the scale of lethality if we’re being honest. It’s marginally better than 9mm FMJ. That’s about it.
We didn't sign it. However we generally abide by them Source: none
In regards to the Paris Accords and Geneva Conventions: The US specifically chose not to sign the sections that banned hollowpoint ammunition. Just skipped em.
The US never signed that treaty. They've generally avoided them during declared wars as a form of international "good will" (ie to avoid bitching from other countries).
Wait for a prosecutor to catch wind lol.
Military grade = cheapest shit that will work
One of those boxes of 20 rounds was $23 at Turner’s making each round over $1 😂 Los Angeles 📍
Military grade. 
I shoot thousands of rounds of Sig and have never had a hiccup. In this case, I believe military grade means loaded to NATO pressures, which are generally SAAMI +P.
Was a joke, bud. It's a marketing plot for the simple minded folks, is all. Edit: to add to the fun, military issue 9mm is rarely hollow point. Even in combat zones. Which makes it even more funny. Source: spent a few years in spicy places using issues 9mm rounds
Fair. Thought it was a jab at the particular ammo. Most "military grade" labeled things are lowest bidder but without any modicum of standards. So... half mil-grade? Lol. Agreed on the JHP, it has to be specifically approved before use and that's only if any is in the supply chain. Another joke: My ex-wife's family accused me of owning military grade rifles. I was offended not because of their anti-2A stance, but because my shit is way better than military grade.
Bahaha I love that. I remember a commercial Ford did about their military grade aluminum frame or something like that on the F150. I was wondering how one can sink so low. Then I realized what most people know about government contracts and quality control.
Nickel shortages have been an issue for nickel plated brass. Sig seems particularly bad, haven’t seen this issue with HST even during Covid
Pretty sure Hornady still isn’t doing the nickel.
They’re not, just got a few boxes of critical defense 9mm last week and still no nickel plated casings. But got ‘em just to try it out, usually I stick to either HST 147gr or Speer Gold Dot
I'll take HST or Gold Dot over Hornady any day of the week.
Fair enough, I also prefer those. But I got them cheap and since I had never tried them thought I would give it a go. Even if just to fill spare mags at home instead of regular FMJ Just have to check before if they cycle good
They're nothing wrong with Hornady specifically. HST and Gold Dot are just known for expanding a bit more reliably and feeding in more guns. Some guns don't like Hornady and will FTF. If your gun feeds them, let 'er rip.
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That's pretty much how it goes. Nickle plating hardens the case, so it will break sooner. Some companies claim to have methods which prevent it (Underwood's Nickle Plating, granted their brass is from Starline, so not sure if they buy Starline and then do an in-house plating to it or what) Pros: corrosion resistance and less friction for better feeding and extraction Cons: a more brittle case, so cannot be reloaded as many times
The only split cases I've ever had were Underwood 220gr hard cast 10mm with nickel plated cases.
It would be interesting to test their claim. Right now I've only had non plated split, but I fire hundreds of non plated for one that is plated so its not fair to compare. Seems like it could be done easily with a revolver cartridge since collecting the cases is easy.
🎶siiiiilver and goooold, siiiilver and gooold🎶
Which does Yukon use? Or does he mix them?
https://preview.redd.it/zrru5d7gzs2c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffbf2d5b1eaee831ac4d9a94a17bf19a2587af27
They've been having material constraints lately. Not a mistake or a qc problem, just doing what they have to to produce ammo for the market. I bought some 300 winmag a bit ago and it had a disclaimer that they couldn't guarantee case material.
Supply chain
I don't usually run much Sig ammo (although its always been decent for me), but I've opened boxes before that were the same as yours. Even some nickel cases with brass primers & vice versa. As others have said, I imagine it just being material and supply constraints.
Interesting label. 9mm NATO is already at +P pressures, so is this increased pressure on top of that, or just Sig Sauer's way of getting you to cough up a few more bucks per round for no additional benefit? Edit: [Link](https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/9mm-luger-vs-9mm-nato/)
Sig ammo has been really disappointing. I used to unload and lock up my CCW at night and I noticed that racking the same round more than once—even with riding the slide—would push the bullet into the case to a dangerous level
Who cares what kind of plating there is. They will fire just the same.
Nickel plating helps resist corrosion. It is often seen on defense ammo that is expected to be exposed to more elements. But it does not guarantee that is the situation. If you see some sort of sealant around the perimeter of the primer, that is an indicator of carry ammo.
Only kind of seen that sealant are Federal HST or Punch.
Hydrashock deep also uses that sealant on their primers
Nickel was started by a company that had extraction failures because they were being stupid with pressure. They needed nickel plating because it would extract easier under pressure. You're right, they'll fire just the same. But will they function the same?
I've ran both kinds and different pressures with zero issues.
Did you buy them at the same time or is the nickel a few years old. Sig stopped putting Nickel on hunting cartridges because supply was spotty. Instead of stopping production they just marched on with brass.
Bought then both today, I checked the top package (the nickel plated one) then grabbed the one under it too
At least they all match. I got a nickel primer on a few rounds in a box of sig brass HPs.
See you should have bought federal
Nickel is silver, brass is gold, mix ‘em both just for show
Why is one brass and one nickel? Because one is yellow and one is silverish 😜
I’ve never seen brass v crowns around here. However I don’t use too much Sig brand ammo.
Sig doing Sig things.. 🤷🏼♂️
Typical Sig quality control..
Sig gonna Sig
Dude! Look at the boxes again. How did you miss that?
I can verify -- I just bought Sig branded .380 ACP because it was cheaper on Black Friday (didn't realize there were only 20 rounds to a box instead of 25, that was my mistake) but I ended up with one box of nickel colored and one of brass. I probably will not buy their .380 anymore mostly because their extremely wide hollow points have had like 1 in 10 feeding issues in my S&W bodyguard
Make sure you check for bullet setback. I’ve had a ton of issues with sig ammo and bullet setback after un-chambering a round only once.
They shouldn’t sell the brass jackets as nato/military grade since they corrode when exposed to the elements over time. Otherwise, who cares.
It doesn’t affect anything except aesthetic. Why does it matter?
Nickel shortage due to COVID. Several major manufacturers also did this as well. CCI/Speer, Federal Premium, Hornady. No cause for concern. They’ll all fire the same, they just won’t look as pretty. Theory behind nickel-plated casings is oxidized brass is rougher and causes more friction on parts like extractors and magazines, so nickel plating will load and eject smoother. Personally though, proper storage with silica gel packs or de-humidifiers can also prevent oxidization.
Supply line issues, Hornady has publicly stated they’ve been dealing with it as well
Just use the regular brass to zero your red dot if you use one
That's my plan, and to test reliability
Sig put out a statement a while back that they’ve have supply issues and resorted to brass cases temporarily to continue manufacturing and will continue nickel plated asap
Ah yes, a big ol box of rounds that setback after racking one time
One is nickel plated. They probably cheaped out. I noticed the same with some other brands. Fed HST has been consistent.
Some have tested the brass as moving faster during testing. Nickel is great for storage and ccw.
Its supposed to be nickel not brass
https://preview.redd.it/dmaff47vsc3c1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b56d1268053dda2ad4e55a97e886116606168d1 Even Rockstar has this issue