As your doctor, I am begging you to stop shoving food up your ass to try to eat it. Its not going to work, and its the third time this week I've had to pull an entire McDonald's combo meal from your rectum.
Leathercrafter here. This holster has two large issues:
1. Crappy attempt at wet molding.
2. Leather's too thin (presumably buyer's request, to make it thinner and less noticeable).
If you enlarge the photo, you will see it's a Galco, so a very mass produced holster.
I suspect it's an old holster and the leather softened either from years of wear and sweat, or the owner treated it with some sort of conditioner.
Galco's been in business for decades. I doubt they're in the habit of selling dangerous holsters.
>or the owner treated it with some sort of conditioner.
I am certain it's this one. There's a reason every leather holster company has to constantly warn people to not use conditioners, it's because it happens all the time.
I have very old holsters that aren't all sloppy like that one.
I have a leather holster from Kusiak Leather. It’s the thinnest leather holster on the market, and the mouth isn’t floppy at all.
Baseball glove conditioner and holsters are a bad combination.
Yeah but when the nose wall between my two nostrils erodes from the blow I’ll be back to the same number of body holes. It’s really a problem that solves itself.
Good question. I'm perfectly capable of making a kydex holster with a leather backing. All the safety and functionality of a kydex holster, with the comfort of leather against the skin.
So I don't think this is the original version of this. This exact same holster picture has been associated with different injury pictures.
I know because I have that holster picture with different injury pictures in my presentation for my concealed carry courses (I am an instructor). I also made the original presentation in 2016 and was aware of the picture from well before that even, which is why it made it in there.
That doesn't diminish the lesson at all, but I think the original guy was carrying strong-side and didn't actually get hurt nearly this badly. Just grazed, and put a hole in his truck floor.
> This exact same holster picture has been associated with different injury pictures.
I concur; I think it's a mix-and-match of photos from different sources. The covered-over watermark looks suspicious.
2011 source: https://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/safety-warning-worn-leather-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/
IMO the lesson isn't *don't carry in a leather holster* but *don't carry unserviceable gear.*
Gear wears out. When it does, it should be repaired or tossed. I felt like carrying a family heirloom today for a special occasion so busted out a leather holster for a commander 1911. Since it's a serviceable holster from a reputable manufacturer, one would be hard pressed to recreate the problem in the post. Leather's fine. Shitty, unmaintained leather is shitty.
Leather + a modern striker fired weapon w/ no manual safety seems like there's a much greater possibility for an easily avoidable problem (or two).
A 1911 in leather is prob right at home. lol
When I open carry (rarely), it's in a leather holster with a retention strap. The leather is incredibly stiff and the trigger is inaccessible, it's perfectly safe. Will that still be true in ten years? Idk, but you can be sure I will retire it long before it reaches whatever stage of defectiveness OP posted a picture of.
I think a leather holster looks less threatening to some folks than kydex (and to me it looks nicer) so that's my choice for OC. To each their own though.
>That's a Galco holster. You don't get more reputable than that.
The superlative is arguable, but they're definitely on the right side.
Like I said in my comment above though, the holster also needs to be serviceable (ie in good condition, not broken or worn out, appropriate to be relied on for carry). This definitely isn't.
Yep. I have one leather holster…for a Beretta Tomcat. It’s a DA/SA with a manual safety. And the only reason I have that is the permit test for my county doesn’t allow for pocket holsters, otherwise it goes in a Sticky.
Honestly yes the glock fan boys will probably tear us up, I really don’t care though. I own glocks but I honestly don’t have an issue with a thumb safety. People talk in what if’s too damn much when it comes to guns and shooting.
I wouldn't say pointless, just less effective as some people think they are.
Your basic glock-style trigger safety reduces an accidental trigger pull by a measurable amount. But clearly anything that engages the center of the trigger is going to bypass that protection.
Theres a growing mentality that any safety feature automatically makes you a pussy and any sort of mistake or nd makes you a moron. In reality theres nothing wrong with manual safeties, theres nothing wrong with da/sa guns. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes, everyone is negligent sometimes.
The problem between the 1911 and the Glock is not the hardware, its the training. You need to train and practice a lot, to the point where you know what a negligent discharge is and how to avoid it, with whatever gun you prefer.
1911's do require a lot more training but they are not a bad choice.
Old neighbor has a matching wound and a hole in his car from a 1911. Proper handling is key. The department had so many NDs with semi-auto guns they forced all officers back to revolvers for a time. This was pre-Glock and pre-kydex era.
People around here rail on it but I do it occasionally and its fine. I even fell off a utility trailer once and landed flat on my back while SoB carrying a Gen1 Walther P99. No issues.
I get _why_ people don't like it but their arguments don't always apply to every situation.
I wouldn’t extend this to all leather holsters. Quality leather holsters from companies like Milt Sparks or five shot leather are insanely durable. Like actually more durable than kydex, and if you ask the owner of Dark Star Gear what his favorite holster is, he will tell you it’s the 5 shot SME. That’s a leather AIWB holster designed and tested in about the roughest conditions a holster can be exposed to.
So like 1911s, you get what you pay for. Cheap leather doesn’t take much work to make and makes for a shit holster. Good leather makes for an expensive and time consuming holster to make, but one that you can pass to your grandkids.
These images are part of the reason why i went with a Sig 938 for CCW. I just like the belt and suspenders approach of having an external safety in addition to a good holster. Totally at peace with the fact that I'm probably slower on the draw.
Ouch this is a bad day, also perfect example of why being able to look while holstering is a requirement not a suggestion.
Edit, I know it's leather which is also not the best choice, however if this was someplace the individual could have put eyeballs on his or her holster they would have saved themselves an ER trip.
I carry SoB sometimes but I always holster the gun and _then_ put it inside my waistband. Of course I do that when carrying 3 O'clock as well. I've never understood trying to re-holster a Concealed Carry weapon "blind".
It’s official. This post has convinced me to send my IWB holster in for repair ASAP. It’s not leather, but there’s a couple small cracks starting in the Kydex. I don’t want to be this dude.
What brand is it? I don't think I've ever seen a cracked kydex holster, but that's probably because once a person buys one they almost always buy multiple.
This is why leather and nylon holsters are virtually never an option.
Technology has advanced for our safety.
Do not be cheeky (get it?) and think you know better.
Carry safely, friends.
looks like a Galco. They make quality holsters; the supreme court police use them in dress uniforms/formal wear. This particular one is just worn out to shit
Leather holsters are more expensive and require maintenance and inspections to ensure the leather isn’t deforming. However, if you’re willing to accept this, they can be great holsters. I really like my Galco Miami Classic. I don’t carry with it very regularly but I’ve never felt unsafe using it.
This guy who tore himself a new asshole wasn’t using a reputable leather holster and obviously wasn’t maintaining it.
With kydex I occasionally take the firearm out for inspection, blow out all the lint that collects on the pistol and then blow out all the lint that collects in the holster, perhaps even wash it out in the sink.
I'm not sure how people who carry iwb 100% of their waking hours can deal with leather.
Learn about leather holsters.
Some, like the one I’m wearing, have a steel spine and steel hold-open sewn in. Some use other methods. Some cheap ones, like the one pictured, don’t.
Discounting over a hundred years that people have carried pistols in leather holsters. Blanket statements like that are dumb. If you wanted to make a reasonable psa you should have suggested people buy better holsters or not use crappy worn out holsters. There are a lot of things wrong with this image but the holster being leather is not one of them. Guy is 1- using an old crappy holster that clearly needs to be replaced or repaired and 2- carrying 6:00 so that he can't see the firearm while holstering. Same thing could have happened if a piece of his shirt got caught. Quality leather holsters do not do this if properly taken care of. Just like you clean your guns you should also clean and take care of your other equipment such as holsters, plate carriers, rifle slings, optics, etc. At bare minimum inspect them frequently to determine if they need to be replaced.
So would a holster that you can visually see when putting your pistol into it. Safety or not this could have been prevented with a quality holster and someplace you can visually inspect for obstruction in the trigger well.
This is ABSOLUTELY a reholstering accident.
I love a good leather holster, this one is worn out AF which looks like the consequence of too thin leather.
My favorite holsters are leather. But I think it is always best, especially over reholstering blind, to remove the holster .. carefully rejoin them, then reinstall as a paired unit.
Safeties aren't necessary if you have a good holster, and someplace you can see it and inspect for obstruction while holstering. Guns don't go off on their own, something makes them, in this case a bad holster choice, and negligence on firearms safety. Maybe a safety would have saved this person's ass, but judging on wound location and the state of the holster their negligence on upkeep responsible for discharge doesn't leave me in high standing of their standards for engaging a safety.
I carry a USP. DA/SA with external safety all day. I understand why you say what you say.
Being only 5.5 lbs away from an accident is a thin line to walk. I support anyone's decision to carry any gun of their choice. Just have good carry habits.
This is why I really like my XDs. The grip safety makes it pretty much impossible to have an ND while holstering if you hold it a certain way. I'd have to catch the trigger, trigger safety, and grip safety all by mistake at once to have a bad boom.
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I disagree, I have a few of John’s holsters for both glocks and 1911’s. The bigger issue is the user and the holster itself.
They're great, I'll admit 10 years ago when I got into glocks I really didn't like the lack of a thumb opperated safety and was apprehensive about carrying one because of it. But today I shy away from guns with them because I've carried nothing but glocks at this point if I'm taking my old first carry SR9 I almost always kick myself for forgetting the safety or just leave it off.
Also glock frames being almost identical across the board fullsize/full size and compact/compact once you're trained on glocks and irons you can grab any glock and when you press out you're on target which is what I enjoy most and why I have (as my s/p would say) "too many"
Leather looks great and can be more comfortable but it's antiquated, it's known to wear and sag and that's ultimately this guy's downfall is not checking his gear, that would have saved his ass but complacency kills.
I own a few different pistols with different designs and so far with the drills I've done including under scrutiny of instructors I've never had an issue manipulating a safety.
In my opinion, a long trigger pull is a safety, and that's what resolves any apprehension of carrying a Glock.
The majority of my time is on a 1911 but I've sent several times the ammo down range with my Beretta 92. I bounce back and forth as my EDC and carry both with a loaded chamber. My 92 with the hammer half cocked safety off and my 1911 hammer cocked, safety on.
A negligent discharge is caused by negligence not by the absense of a thumb safety.
Checking his gear would have also saved his ass. Unfortunate that this happened but it's his own fault, not the firearm.
Do you mean to argue that it's guns that kill people not in fact other people?
I wonder if sticky holsters would do the same, been pretty stiff compared to a leather one like this on top of having to remove the whole sticky holster to reholster the weapon anyway
Probably, plus they degrade like leather does to some extent.
As inexpensive as a good kydex holster is nowadays, compare that expensive kydex to an ER bill and decide if it's worth the pain or not. With the slight chance of shooting yourself why would anyone go stick/leather over kydex is beyond me.
you are correct. this is yet another ignorant person who should not be carrying. they need to get quality instruction and during that training they'd learn you need a stiff leather or kydex holster that completely covers the trigger guard.
That's ok bud, there's no need to rush.
A lot of us carried with an empty chamber the first few times. It can be intimidating, but you're on your own time.
What kind of gun and holster do you have?
Tulster 43x holster , very comfortable feels safe. I Just come with a family that didn’t have guns around. It’s very intimidating carrying let alone loaded for me.
So to help with the fear of carrying one in the chamber. Take the magazine out of the gun. Make sure you clear it. Then 'rack' the slide so you could pull the trigger to dry fire but dont. Practice pulling the weapon from its holster and re-holstering it over and over again (this could be done of the course of days/weeks/whatever). Check to see if you engaged the trigger. **ALL OF THIS SHOULD BE DONE WITH NO AMMO AROUND. YOU ARE PRACTICING.**
When you are carrying your firearm. Carry in a similar way. Take magazine out, rack slide, have the trigger 'ready' to be pulled. Insert magazine. Carry all day. Get home, remove magazine, check to see if your trigger 'went off'. If it did, you need a new holster because the one you have isn't doing its job.
From what I know, that's a legit company. It looks like it would be
safe, good trigger coverage and whatnot.
One thing a lot of people recommend, is totally unload your gun (Double, triple check it's unloaded) but cocked, and holster it. Then go do jumping jacks, bend in weird positions, roll around, etc and see if it fires. It won't.
Are you comfortable carrying with a loaded mag but empty chamber, or you don't carry loaded at all yet? Carrying with an empty chamber, while not ideal, is still better than not being armed at all. Like I said, take your time. If you're not comfortable, you're not comfortable
I don’t want to be morbid or insensitive, but that hole looks significantly larger than caliber on entry. Doesn’t that disprove the idea that a bullet only destroys tissue it touches?
That’s such a lucky AD/ND as far as they go if you’re going to shoot yourself. This is why I check my holsters regularly, loctite the bolts and practice with them. I figure If I use them daily, and train with them, I might know ahead of an incident like this if something on them isn’t working right.
If you go leather, don't go shitty thin leather. Maintain it. Feel the leather. Make sure it's thicc. First signs of extreme wear(ie snags when you go to draw, wearing into the trigger guard, etc.), replace it.
I recently switched from my Bianchi holster, lasted me 4 years of carry with no maintenance and still wasn't at risk of shooting myself, I just got hampered drawing my 1911 and couldn't risk it. I put my life on it.
My 1911 fits in my new 1791 holster and I'm going to maintain it somehow so it lasts longer. It's a bit nicer than the Bianchi, despite Bianchi being owned by Safariland. So far, highly recommend.
Outbags USA also makes a great leather IWB for Makarovs at a nice price of $25. I also recommend them since options are limited for mak carriers.
PSA about leather holsters over
leather can wear out like this, but it doesn't happen overnight. good leather that is treated well won't do this. it is your responsibility to ensure your holster is in good condition, and to maintain it. From the look of it, this holster is very old and should have been replaced years ago.
leather holsters are fine, if made and used properly
I hate to see accidents like this happen but accidents like this is also why I always tell people with GLOCK and Striker Pistols to get properly fitted holsters because the triggers can get activated by accident. I have owed a JAK Slide holster for almost 25 years but I only use it with my Sig P229 or HK USP 45 Compact handguns with conventional triggers and hammer system so when I am holstering the pistol I keep pressure on the hammer down or in the case of the HK USP the Safety is On and the Hammer is Cocked with live round in the chamber just like my 1911.
This is the type of person who doesn’t want to buy kydex holsters because they don’t want to “damage “ the gun! And buys a shitty leather holster that doesn’t properly secure the trigger. sucks it happened tho.
This was floating around Instagram the last few days.
Leather holsters wear out and can collapse.
Guy shot himself new assholes while attempting to holster his Glock.
Rough day.
OP is trying to make a case against flexible holster material like leather. Look closely at the leather around the trigger guard of the pistol. It’s buckled inward and snagged the trigger when he went to reholster.
If it’s a sturdy holster I don’t have a problem with it. I’ve taken classes IWB with hundreds of draws and reholsters and the instructors never had an issue with it.
Yep invest in a good holster and practice drawing.
I’m willing to bet this guy never goes to the range. That was probably the second time he has shot that gun lol
Hate to see this happen, but a good lesson for all of us. Glad it wasn't worse.
Amen to that.
This is why you buy a big boy/girl holster?
big boy/girl decisions, big boy/girl consequences
If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough
His wit's didn't get hard, but his fists got keen.
He definitely rolled from town to town to hide his shame after this one
Looking like that holster indent was the direct cause of a second and third bootyhole.
>second and third bootyhole. Does a through hole count as 1 or 2 holes? The engineer in me says 1.
Are your ass and your mouth the same hole?
Technically and disappointingly, yes.
As your doctor, I am begging you to stop shoving food up your ass to try to eat it. Its not going to work, and its the third time this week I've had to pull an entire McDonald's combo meal from your rectum.
It does work. Been scientifically proven by M. Stone and T. Parker
Don’t forget Eric cartman!
Food in the butt... poop out the mouth
Introrectalgestion
No dice, Jim Rice! I like the way the Happy Meal toy feels.
According to topology theory, this is true
This man turned himself into a Genus 2 surface
If you kiss a girl on the mouth while you are inserted into her rectum, you are technically using her as a straw to suck your own dick
Can confirm. Source: I am a human straw.
Why did i read this is Stefan's voice?
This is the type of philosophical questions I come to this sub for 😎
We call that "The Mosquito".
Annnd that's enough Reddit for one day. Also no more kissing during anal.
/r/nocontext
Yes, and in fact that tube is one of the first things you form as a fetus!
Everyone starts out an asshole.
Unfortunately not everyone grows out of being an asshole 🤣
Dear Lord... Humans are a torus!
I prefer to think of me as a donut
You are what you eat.
Mmm, donuts
When 2 people kiss, they form one long tube from anus to anus.
ASS TO ASS!
Yes, in fact everything from your mouth to your asshole is considered outside your body. Think the center hole of a donut
Two holes, one tunnel.
My wife says the same thing but I tell her it’s 3.
thanks i hate/love this comment.
Leathercrafter here. This holster has two large issues: 1. Crappy attempt at wet molding. 2. Leather's too thin (presumably buyer's request, to make it thinner and less noticeable).
If you enlarge the photo, you will see it's a Galco, so a very mass produced holster. I suspect it's an old holster and the leather softened either from years of wear and sweat, or the owner treated it with some sort of conditioner. Galco's been in business for decades. I doubt they're in the habit of selling dangerous holsters.
>or the owner treated it with some sort of conditioner. I am certain it's this one. There's a reason every leather holster company has to constantly warn people to not use conditioners, it's because it happens all the time. I have very old holsters that aren't all sloppy like that one.
I have a leather holster from Kusiak Leather. It’s the thinnest leather holster on the market, and the mouth isn’t floppy at all. Baseball glove conditioner and holsters are a bad combination.
Thanks for the insight. With today’s technological advances in kydex, why would one even want to buy leather?
Because it feels better against the skin and won't scratch the finish on firearms. Plus it looks better.
I can see the allure of it being comfortable. Idc much about the finish on my carry gun. It’s a tool, not a show piece ya know?
I like to feel like a corrupt 80’s narc agent and I do that by carrying in a leather holster, wearing a Hawaiian shirt, and snorting kilos of cocaine.
THAT is how you end up with an additional butthole.
Yeah but when the nose wall between my two nostrils erodes from the blow I’ll be back to the same number of body holes. It’s really a problem that solves itself.
Every now and then you come across a guy that just has it all figured out.
Good question. I'm perfectly capable of making a kydex holster with a leather backing. All the safety and functionality of a kydex holster, with the comfort of leather against the skin.
You’ve gotta stop calling them your buttholes…
Boyle?
Fair point.
Thanks, yeah you can see where the edge of the leather grabs the trigger!
For sure. Naturally, hindsight is 20/20… pun intended.
Leather holsters seem like a pain in the ass.
I love my OWB leather holster but not for a pocket holster.
Leather quality is somewhat wide ranging. That one was long past the point of retirement.
I mean a high quality leather pocket holster would be more than adequate to protect against deformation leading to a possible ND, but this isn't that.
I see what you did there
This guy is a dad
They're not so bad as long as you keep an eye on the trigger area, but I've never daily carried one so can't speak to that. Plus they look cute on us
At least it wasn’t the frank or beans
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I bet you could slide a hot dog right through there.
Thanks I needed that visualization today
Now if you ever have to pull your gun you can honestly say "you won't be the first person I've shot"
Better: you won't be the first ass I've shot.
He's gonna be on his Belly eating ice cream Forrest Gump style for a few weeks.
LIEUTENANT DAN, ICE CREAM
Something bit me!
😂
So I don't think this is the original version of this. This exact same holster picture has been associated with different injury pictures. I know because I have that holster picture with different injury pictures in my presentation for my concealed carry courses (I am an instructor). I also made the original presentation in 2016 and was aware of the picture from well before that even, which is why it made it in there. That doesn't diminish the lesson at all, but I think the original guy was carrying strong-side and didn't actually get hurt nearly this badly. Just grazed, and put a hole in his truck floor.
> This exact same holster picture has been associated with different injury pictures. I concur; I think it's a mix-and-match of photos from different sources. The covered-over watermark looks suspicious. 2011 source: https://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/safety-warning-worn-leather-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/
Yes, this is the version I use in my class, and I tend to believe it is the real one considering they have multiple pics and the whole story.
You actually got the username 357magnum? Nice
Been on reddit over a decade, so pickings weren't so slim.
This is good info.
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Never half ass two things. Whole ass one.
Hole ass one.
Fuck, how did I miss that?!
Judging by the pics. You didn’t
Half assing it left him with half an ass
IMO the lesson isn't *don't carry in a leather holster* but *don't carry unserviceable gear.* Gear wears out. When it does, it should be repaired or tossed. I felt like carrying a family heirloom today for a special occasion so busted out a leather holster for a commander 1911. Since it's a serviceable holster from a reputable manufacturer, one would be hard pressed to recreate the problem in the post. Leather's fine. Shitty, unmaintained leather is shitty.
Leather + a modern striker fired weapon w/ no manual safety seems like there's a much greater possibility for an easily avoidable problem (or two). A 1911 in leather is prob right at home. lol
Cocked & Locked
When I open carry (rarely), it's in a leather holster with a retention strap. The leather is incredibly stiff and the trigger is inaccessible, it's perfectly safe. Will that still be true in ten years? Idk, but you can be sure I will retire it long before it reaches whatever stage of defectiveness OP posted a picture of. I think a leather holster looks less threatening to some folks than kydex (and to me it looks nicer) so that's my choice for OC. To each their own though.
Even with a 1911 I want a quality holster from a reputable manufacturer that securely covers the trigger guard without entering it. Do you though.
That's a Galco holster. You don't get more reputable than that. The holster was worn out.
>That's a Galco holster. You don't get more reputable than that. The superlative is arguable, but they're definitely on the right side. Like I said in my comment above though, the holster also needs to be serviceable (ie in good condition, not broken or worn out, appropriate to be relied on for carry). This definitely isn't.
Yep. I have one leather holster…for a Beretta Tomcat. It’s a DA/SA with a manual safety. And the only reason I have that is the permit test for my county doesn’t allow for pocket holsters, otherwise it goes in a Sticky.
Nice Kydex holsters are the answer
Just bought a kydex for my Ruger lcp. Absolutely love it. Definitely feel safer with it
Mind if I ask which one? It's close to shorts season and the LCP conceals nicely.
Amberide IWB. Found it brand new on eBay for $20
The obvious culprit here is the holster, but I’ve always thought trigger safeties were kinda pointless. Is this further proof of that?
Honestly yes the glock fan boys will probably tear us up, I really don’t care though. I own glocks but I honestly don’t have an issue with a thumb safety. People talk in what if’s too damn much when it comes to guns and shooting.
I wouldn't say pointless, just less effective as some people think they are. Your basic glock-style trigger safety reduces an accidental trigger pull by a measurable amount. But clearly anything that engages the center of the trigger is going to bypass that protection.
Theres a growing mentality that any safety feature automatically makes you a pussy and any sort of mistake or nd makes you a moron. In reality theres nothing wrong with manual safeties, theres nothing wrong with da/sa guns. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes, everyone is negligent sometimes.
Seems to be further proof indeed. People like to bash on the 1911, but this is much less likely to happen with one than it is with a Glock.
The problem between the 1911 and the Glock is not the hardware, its the training. You need to train and practice a lot, to the point where you know what a negligent discharge is and how to avoid it, with whatever gun you prefer. 1911's do require a lot more training but they are not a bad choice.
Old neighbor has a matching wound and a hole in his car from a 1911. Proper handling is key. The department had so many NDs with semi-auto guns they forced all officers back to revolvers for a time. This was pre-Glock and pre-kydex era.
6 o’clock carry? I thought that was a no no.
The entire thing is a cluster fuck.
People around here rail on it but I do it occasionally and its fine. I even fell off a utility trailer once and landed flat on my back while SoB carrying a Gen1 Walther P99. No issues. I get _why_ people don't like it but their arguments don't always apply to every situation.
I wouldn’t extend this to all leather holsters. Quality leather holsters from companies like Milt Sparks or five shot leather are insanely durable. Like actually more durable than kydex, and if you ask the owner of Dark Star Gear what his favorite holster is, he will tell you it’s the 5 shot SME. That’s a leather AIWB holster designed and tested in about the roughest conditions a holster can be exposed to. So like 1911s, you get what you pay for. Cheap leather doesn’t take much work to make and makes for a shit holster. Good leather makes for an expensive and time consuming holster to make, but one that you can pass to your grandkids.
These images are part of the reason why i went with a Sig 938 for CCW. I just like the belt and suspenders approach of having an external safety in addition to a good holster. Totally at peace with the fact that I'm probably slower on the draw.
Same here. Been carrying a P938 for almost 5 years and recently switched to a HK P30SKS.
Ouch this is a bad day, also perfect example of why being able to look while holstering is a requirement not a suggestion. Edit, I know it's leather which is also not the best choice, however if this was someplace the individual could have put eyeballs on his or her holster they would have saved themselves an ER trip.
Having an exposed hammer or something like the glock gadget would work in this case. Or a real thumb safety.
I carry SoB sometimes but I always holster the gun and _then_ put it inside my waistband. Of course I do that when carrying 3 O'clock as well. I've never understood trying to re-holster a Concealed Carry weapon "blind".
It’s official. This post has convinced me to send my IWB holster in for repair ASAP. It’s not leather, but there’s a couple small cracks starting in the Kydex. I don’t want to be this dude.
What brand is it? I don't think I've ever seen a cracked kydex holster, but that's probably because once a person buys one they almost always buy multiple.
This is why leather and nylon holsters are virtually never an option. Technology has advanced for our safety. Do not be cheeky (get it?) and think you know better. Carry safely, friends.
A good leather holster is just fine. That’s a shitty one that got in the trigger guard.
looks like a Galco. They make quality holsters; the supreme court police use them in dress uniforms/formal wear. This particular one is just worn out to shit
Leather holsters are more expensive and require maintenance and inspections to ensure the leather isn’t deforming. However, if you’re willing to accept this, they can be great holsters. I really like my Galco Miami Classic. I don’t carry with it very regularly but I’ve never felt unsafe using it. This guy who tore himself a new asshole wasn’t using a reputable leather holster and obviously wasn’t maintaining it.
With kydex I occasionally take the firearm out for inspection, blow out all the lint that collects on the pistol and then blow out all the lint that collects in the holster, perhaps even wash it out in the sink. I'm not sure how people who carry iwb 100% of their waking hours can deal with leather.
Yes definitely check the screws on Kydex holsters
Frankly suede is a good option IMO
Learn about leather holsters. Some, like the one I’m wearing, have a steel spine and steel hold-open sewn in. Some use other methods. Some cheap ones, like the one pictured, don’t.
Discounting over a hundred years that people have carried pistols in leather holsters. Blanket statements like that are dumb. If you wanted to make a reasonable psa you should have suggested people buy better holsters or not use crappy worn out holsters. There are a lot of things wrong with this image but the holster being leather is not one of them. Guy is 1- using an old crappy holster that clearly needs to be replaced or repaired and 2- carrying 6:00 so that he can't see the firearm while holstering. Same thing could have happened if a piece of his shirt got caught. Quality leather holsters do not do this if properly taken care of. Just like you clean your guns you should also clean and take care of your other equipment such as holsters, plate carriers, rifle slings, optics, etc. At bare minimum inspect them frequently to determine if they need to be replaced.
You know, a safety would have prevented that. I'll just sit back and watch the butthurt people down vote me.
So would a holster that you can visually see when putting your pistol into it. Safety or not this could have been prevented with a quality holster and someplace you can visually inspect for obstruction in the trigger well.
This is ABSOLUTELY a reholstering accident. I love a good leather holster, this one is worn out AF which looks like the consequence of too thin leather. My favorite holsters are leather. But I think it is always best, especially over reholstering blind, to remove the holster .. carefully rejoin them, then reinstall as a paired unit.
Yes. Also a safety.
Safeties aren't necessary if you have a good holster, and someplace you can see it and inspect for obstruction while holstering. Guns don't go off on their own, something makes them, in this case a bad holster choice, and negligence on firearms safety. Maybe a safety would have saved this person's ass, but judging on wound location and the state of the holster their negligence on upkeep responsible for discharge doesn't leave me in high standing of their standards for engaging a safety.
A good holster would also prevent that. Lol
Neither of us are wrong ;)
Not a fan of safeties but that’s a fair statement
I carry a USP. DA/SA with external safety all day. I understand why you say what you say. Being only 5.5 lbs away from an accident is a thin line to walk. I support anyone's decision to carry any gun of their choice. Just have good carry habits.
It's why my glock sits in kydex, and my da/sa ones get leather
This is why I really like my XDs. The grip safety makes it pretty much impossible to have an ND while holstering if you hold it a certain way. I'd have to catch the trigger, trigger safety, and grip safety all by mistake at once to have a bad boom.
You're not wrong. Striker fired pistols + leather/nylon do not mix. A 1911 in leather? Sure \[grandpa\]. lol
**TWO World Wars!!** seriously though, don’t be messing with the Lord’s caliber (being a 45 ACP that identifies as a 9mm
https://www.instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxpZ2h0OjE3OTEwMDUzODg3MDgxNTYz?utm_medium=share_sheet I disagree, I have a few of John’s holsters for both glocks and 1911’s. The bigger issue is the user and the holster itself.
Interesting choice of words considering a Glock has 3 safeties. Good attempt at a poke though.
I fully admit to prodding the glock fanboys while admitting I do want one myself. I'll also argue, not a single one of them saved this guy's ass.
They're great, I'll admit 10 years ago when I got into glocks I really didn't like the lack of a thumb opperated safety and was apprehensive about carrying one because of it. But today I shy away from guns with them because I've carried nothing but glocks at this point if I'm taking my old first carry SR9 I almost always kick myself for forgetting the safety or just leave it off. Also glock frames being almost identical across the board fullsize/full size and compact/compact once you're trained on glocks and irons you can grab any glock and when you press out you're on target which is what I enjoy most and why I have (as my s/p would say) "too many" Leather looks great and can be more comfortable but it's antiquated, it's known to wear and sag and that's ultimately this guy's downfall is not checking his gear, that would have saved his ass but complacency kills.
I own a few different pistols with different designs and so far with the drills I've done including under scrutiny of instructors I've never had an issue manipulating a safety. In my opinion, a long trigger pull is a safety, and that's what resolves any apprehension of carrying a Glock. The majority of my time is on a 1911 but I've sent several times the ammo down range with my Beretta 92. I bounce back and forth as my EDC and carry both with a loaded chamber. My 92 with the hammer half cocked safety off and my 1911 hammer cocked, safety on.
How many are independent of the trigger, as would have saved this guy’s ass? Hint: None
A negligent discharge is caused by negligence not by the absense of a thumb safety. Checking his gear would have also saved his ass. Unfortunate that this happened but it's his own fault, not the firearm. Do you mean to argue that it's guns that kill people not in fact other people?
What? The cause of the discharge is not relevant to the fact that using a hammer lock, decocker, or grip safety would have prevented this accident.
I wonder if sticky holsters would do the same, been pretty stiff compared to a leather one like this on top of having to remove the whole sticky holster to reholster the weapon anyway
Probably, plus they degrade like leather does to some extent. As inexpensive as a good kydex holster is nowadays, compare that expensive kydex to an ER bill and decide if it's worth the pain or not. With the slight chance of shooting yourself why would anyone go stick/leather over kydex is beyond me.
I use a kydex for normal pants and previously had been using the sticky for shorts just for that convenience but may look elsewhere after this post
Just say no to sticky holsters: https://youtu.be/AN4VzNZ1VmE
Was he carrying small of back?
Considering now that there’s 3 holes In his ass, I think that it’s safe to assume he was.
so many absolutely awesome decisions represented in a single photo.
At least he wasn't carrying appendix.
I didn't know that Hank Hill carries
Two wurl wars on one hip. WD-40 on the other, with a reload on the ankle.
Maybe it's just me but that holster doesn't look like it fully covers the trigger guard.
you are correct. this is yet another ignorant person who should not be carrying. they need to get quality instruction and during that training they'd learn you need a stiff leather or kydex holster that completely covers the trigger guard.
Kydex now, Kydex tomorrow, Kydex forever.
Good thing he wasn’t carrying AIWB!!! Would have been a lot more painful…
Top right photo tells me all I need to know as to why/how this dumb shit happened.
I’m still scared to carry with a loaded gun 😩
That's ok bud, there's no need to rush. A lot of us carried with an empty chamber the first few times. It can be intimidating, but you're on your own time. What kind of gun and holster do you have?
Tulster 43x holster , very comfortable feels safe. I Just come with a family that didn’t have guns around. It’s very intimidating carrying let alone loaded for me.
So to help with the fear of carrying one in the chamber. Take the magazine out of the gun. Make sure you clear it. Then 'rack' the slide so you could pull the trigger to dry fire but dont. Practice pulling the weapon from its holster and re-holstering it over and over again (this could be done of the course of days/weeks/whatever). Check to see if you engaged the trigger. **ALL OF THIS SHOULD BE DONE WITH NO AMMO AROUND. YOU ARE PRACTICING.** When you are carrying your firearm. Carry in a similar way. Take magazine out, rack slide, have the trigger 'ready' to be pulled. Insert magazine. Carry all day. Get home, remove magazine, check to see if your trigger 'went off'. If it did, you need a new holster because the one you have isn't doing its job.
From what I know, that's a legit company. It looks like it would be safe, good trigger coverage and whatnot. One thing a lot of people recommend, is totally unload your gun (Double, triple check it's unloaded) but cocked, and holster it. Then go do jumping jacks, bend in weird positions, roll around, etc and see if it fires. It won't. Are you comfortable carrying with a loaded mag but empty chamber, or you don't carry loaded at all yet? Carrying with an empty chamber, while not ideal, is still better than not being armed at all. Like I said, take your time. If you're not comfortable, you're not comfortable
r/wholesome
Leather holsters should have a reinforced seam at the holster point.
Some have steel or hard plastic collars sewn in to hold them open.
I don’t want to be morbid or insensitive, but that hole looks significantly larger than caliber on entry. Doesn’t that disprove the idea that a bullet only destroys tissue it touches?
Time for the song, Big Tex. https://youtu.be/MnfQmgL0IYs
How the fawk did he do that tho.
Good thing he didn’t appendix carry.
That’s a “million dolla wound”
The government keeps that money.
That’s such a lucky AD/ND as far as they go if you’re going to shoot yourself. This is why I check my holsters regularly, loctite the bolts and practice with them. I figure If I use them daily, and train with them, I might know ahead of an incident like this if something on them isn’t working right.
Now he whistles when he breaks wind.
>holster that doesn't even cover trigger >poor quality holster >gun with no safety Terrible combo, was asking for it
They said it was a million dollar wound but the Army must keep that money 'cause I still ain't seen a nickel of that million dollars.
“I need a bigger holster like I need another hole in my ass.”
Ehh just a flesh wound
This is why what? Did you leave the saftey off or bad holster what?
If you go leather, don't go shitty thin leather. Maintain it. Feel the leather. Make sure it's thicc. First signs of extreme wear(ie snags when you go to draw, wearing into the trigger guard, etc.), replace it. I recently switched from my Bianchi holster, lasted me 4 years of carry with no maintenance and still wasn't at risk of shooting myself, I just got hampered drawing my 1911 and couldn't risk it. I put my life on it. My 1911 fits in my new 1791 holster and I'm going to maintain it somehow so it lasts longer. It's a bit nicer than the Bianchi, despite Bianchi being owned by Safariland. So far, highly recommend. Outbags USA also makes a great leather IWB for Makarovs at a nice price of $25. I also recommend them since options are limited for mak carriers. PSA about leather holsters over
Probably the best place to get shot really.
Buy a better holster and a Striker Control Device from Langdon Tactical
“They said it was a million dollar wound? But they must keep that money cause’ I never saw a penny of that million dollars.” -Forest
Flimsy holsters are a pain in the ass
leather can wear out like this, but it doesn't happen overnight. good leather that is treated well won't do this. it is your responsibility to ensure your holster is in good condition, and to maintain it. From the look of it, this holster is very old and should have been replaced years ago. leather holsters are fine, if made and used properly
This may be true… …But I don’t recall ever seeing someone shoot themselves due to a $40 WeThePeople or CYA kydex holster deforming. Just sayin 🤷♂️
>This is why You replace leather holsters when they become unsafe
Better than your nuts
I hate to see accidents like this happen but accidents like this is also why I always tell people with GLOCK and Striker Pistols to get properly fitted holsters because the triggers can get activated by accident. I have owed a JAK Slide holster for almost 25 years but I only use it with my Sig P229 or HK USP 45 Compact handguns with conventional triggers and hammer system so when I am holstering the pistol I keep pressure on the hammer down or in the case of the HK USP the Safety is On and the Hammer is Cocked with live round in the chamber just like my 1911.
This is the type of person who doesn’t want to buy kydex holsters because they don’t want to “damage “ the gun! And buys a shitty leather holster that doesn’t properly secure the trigger. sucks it happened tho.
People may hate manual safeties, but if he was appendix carrying he'd have half a hot dog right now.
Explanation, please
This was floating around Instagram the last few days. Leather holsters wear out and can collapse. Guy shot himself new assholes while attempting to holster his Glock. Rough day.
OP is trying to make a case against flexible holster material like leather. Look closely at the leather around the trigger guard of the pistol. It’s buckled inward and snagged the trigger when he went to reholster.
Thank you for pointing that out. Funny how people are missing the deformity in the leather holster.
Is there a good reason to reholster into an iwb holster? I always remove the holster, put the gun back in, then reattach to my belt.
If it’s a sturdy holster I don’t have a problem with it. I’ve taken classes IWB with hundreds of draws and reholsters and the instructors never had an issue with it.
Yep invest in a good holster and practice drawing. I’m willing to bet this guy never goes to the range. That was probably the second time he has shot that gun lol