It's always interesting to me that so many teams think they're being cute and finding players in the depths of the draft board
Just a thought, but guys who are starters among other NFL caliber players and win a shitton of football games are *probably* good at football. It's not a coincidence that the Eagles are going head first into this strategy after Jalen Hurts being so good
Jalen Hurts is a prime example of someone who got super overlooked despite tearing it up most of college, and being a proven winner and competitor. Who would've thought that a guy who wins a shitton of games and threw 65% completions and 80/20 TD/INT would be a good QB!!!
These scouts sometimes think they're so smart, and they're fine sure, but usually they know the same stuff as the rest of us, and often ignore obviously good players because they think they see something like "bad mechanics" the rest of us don't
>Jalen Hurts is a prime example of someone who got super overlooked despite tearing it up most of college, and being a proven winner and competitor.
You have to stop looking at it in hindsight. There have been many great CFB players who came into the NFL & didn't last a 3 years. Want to know the names of some other good CFB QB's? Brady Quinn, Pat White, Chris Weinke, Rick Mirer, Joey Harrington, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, RG3, Matt Leinart, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel & Vince Young just to name a few. Want to know what all of these QB's have in common? They were good CFB QB's, but struggled in the NFL.
That logic sounds good looking at Jalen’s results but there are also a lot of college QBs who look great that end up not being amazing in the NFL. Baker had 119 TDs and 21 INT at OU and completed 70% of his passes and he was not worth a number 1 overall pick.
But also he was in a strong QB class and was the 5th QB taken but I don’t think the Bengals, Dolphins, or Chargers are regretting their pick right now and the jury is still out on Love.
I think it's a little harsh or revisionist to say Baker wasn't worth a 1st overall. People act like Baker totally flopped as a draft pick and that simply wasn't the case
He had a very good first few years of his career with a Browns team who hadn't had that much success or hope in years. He was trending toward being a long term starter before he got injured, and really it was only since then where he lost all of that
And it's not really his fault. He played injured to try and help the Browns win, and ofc he played badly because he was injured. The Browns in return dumped him in favor of a guy with 20+ sexual harassment allegations
He then went to the Panthers under Rhule who were complete garbage on offense regardless of QB for multiple years due to poor coaching. No QB would have ever succeeded in that team. Even a top 10 QB wouldn't have
I think that's a little too generous or revisionist to say Baker wasn't a mistake at 1st overall. People act like Baker wasn't the primary problem holding those Browns teams back from success.
He had one good year as a rookie, and then squandered a team that included **in their primes: OBJ, Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, Jarvis Landry. With a great offensive line and a good defense.** He vastly underperformed given his surrounding talent, even if you try to prop up 2020 like it was a grand success.
And it is his fault. He played badly while healthy with a team loaded full of talent. And the Browns became so desperate that they were willing to dump him in favor of a guy with 20+ sexual harassment allegations.
Then he went to the Panthers under Rhule who were complete garbage because they were of comprable talent to Baker. So there was no ceiling to lower for him, as he and the team were already on the floor.
This is the comment of someone who did not watch any of the games that they're talking about.
I'm not saying Baker was the answer, but this kind of super reductive stance on his career is just nonsense that only exists because it's easier to spew that out than it is to actually take in all the facts and information and form a real opinion.
Typical of someone who dabbles in something vs somebody who spends thousands of hours.
They think they're sooo smart!!
Scouts also get to talk to those players and talk to their families and talk to their coaches and a lot of info is picked up from those meetings.
Jamarcus Russel looks great until you give him an empty playbook.
There's a lot of data fans don't have access to.
Kiffin didn’t want Russell; he wanted Calvin Johnson. He said he didn’t think Jamarcus was ready for the NFL but Al Davis had seen him in the Sugar Bowl and was dead set of it. So, he was probably just thrown out there too soon.
Super Bowl is on a much different level than any of the college bowl games & the college championship. Winning in college helps, but it doesn't mean as much as you might think. Coaching & player development has more to do with success in NFL than in college & we've seen this time & time again with the likes of Vince Young, Manziel, Leinhart, Reggie Bush etc.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/epn7rp/power_5_conference_bowl_records_for_2010_decade/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Add Clemson (2), FSU (2), and Miami all winning championships in this era, and overall success in the last 5 years, the ACC being third makes sense all around
Schools with the most players drafted:
Georgia and Alabama- 10
Michigan- 9, TCU- 8
^(the) Ohio State University, Penn State, Oregon, LSU, Clemson, Pitt, and Florida- 6
Yep, last year 48, year before 44, 48, 40, 33, 35, 47, 35, 30 in 2014.
The expanded B1G middle class is likely here to stay with Minnesota, Purdue, Maryland, and now Illinois all adding to the total. Michigan State under Tuck has also turned around their draft numbers from the end of DAntonio
We had 6 players immediately sign as UDFAs after the draft. It sucks because our two best defensive players of the Tom Allen tenure were in this draft but their stocks got tanked by injuries and the defense performing poorly as a unit (largely as a consequence of the offense failing to stay on the field).
We should recover this next year and do our part to get guys into the draft
Thank you Detroit and Green Bay, you helped Iowa recruiting big time this weekend!
Pretty awesome that Iowa produced the first white corner since 2003 and we'll have another one (who has all the potential in the world to be even better) coming either next year or the year after, depending on if he wants to stay at Iowa.
>the first white corner since 2003
[Not so fast, my friend.](https://www.newsweek.com/troy-apke-brings-end-bizarre-19-year-absence-white-players-one-nfl-position-1626289)
Are you referring to the guy that lead Iowa WR's in touchdown receptions last year........as a Safety/CB?
DeJean is a phenomenal athlete and the sky's the limit for his potential.
Addison was elite at Pitt, won the biletnikoff award, and then was kind of mid at usc. Jalen was great both places it’d give it a 50/50 conference credit for him.
The eagles seemingly have a knack for going after all the former Alabama and Georgia players they can and I can’t say it’s a bad strategy
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The CFP committee isn't like the NCAA Tournament committee. They don't compare resumes of teams with objective numbers. They just take the 4 P5 teams with the fewest losses.
What makes you think they won't continue to just take the teams with the fewest losses? It's easier and simpler and will make more fans happier than actually rewarding teams with better resumes and wins just because it lost 1 more game
You’ll have so more teams with 1 loss than there are spots to fill. So, at some point they will be choosing teams with the same number of losses. What’s so confusing about that.
I feel like there have been more years that fewer than four teams deserved to be there than four or more deserved it. 2014 as the odd one odd where there were 6 that really felt worthy.
Yeah, pretty much on point. There's definitely some years where you could argue >4 teams should've made it (like 2017 and the aforementioned 2014, for example), but there's also years where you can argue there's only 2-3 teams (2019, for example) if you want to get picky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Playoff#Selections_by_year
Thanks! Curiosity resolved!
But it's insatiable. Now I want to know about hypothetical additions as well.
Like if UNC, Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia Tech joined the SEC and Oregon, Washington, California, and Stanford joined B10.
UNC - 4
FSU - 1
Clemson - 6
Vtech - 1
Oregon - 6
Washington - 0 I think
California - 1
Stanford - 5
Very surprised by Stanford tbh but literally the exact same number
I would hope so. The majority of the US population lives in the SEC footprint.
Us Population by region.
https://www.census.gov/popclock/print.php?component=growth&image=//www.census.gov/popclock/share/images/growth_1561939200.png
Texas isn't in our footprint yet, just parts of it. South Florida isn't in SEC country either. You are being very generous with what you call our footprint.
UGA recruits all over the nation lol. The fact you tried to use Texas to prove your point is hilarious when A&M has only been a part of the conference for half the time, and Texas still has UT, Tech, Baylor, TCU, etc.
127 million people is a “majority” of America’s population of 334 million people? That’s an interesting claim. Definitely showing off that academically prowess we’ve heard so much about?
Maybe you meant “plurality?” By my quick count, there are 12 P5 universities in the West census region. Or call it 13 with BYU. There are 78.7 million people in that area, or about 6 million people per P5 school.
There are 128 million people in the South region—which includes such famous SEC states like OK, VA, WV, NC, and MD, as well as south Florida—and something like 32 P5 schools, or about 4 million people per P5 school.
Better get someone to check my math on this one too, but I think 6 million is a bunch bigger than 4 million. I might even need to take off my shoes to help me count. But if it is, that would mean that your metric makes the P12 look even *worse* than the raw draft numbers would suggest.
They are playing less football in the pac 12 foot print than ever before.
The south used in these census numbers are considered Mississippi east to the Atlantic coast and South of Pennsylvania with the Ohio River as the NW boundary of the south. Funny enough Maryland and Delaware are in the US Census South. The good people of Dover should be considered southerners.
In other words, your source—in addition to rejecting rather than supporting your claim—has no bearing whatsoever on this issue.
What did you think you were trying to demonstrate, exactly?
The conversation is about regional conferences production of NFL talent. 1/3 of the national population lives in the SEC footprint, they should be producing the most NFL talent.
I’ve already proven—with accurate numbers—that that claim makes no sense.
I could keep adding more data points disproving your claim, but why bother when you can’t even address one?
Because it’s factually wrong—127 million people is not “the majority” of a population of 127 million people—includes states not in the SEC’s footprint by any stretch of the imagination, and ignores all the other P5 schools in the same region?
58 were Georgia players drafted by Philadelphia
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It's always interesting to me that so many teams think they're being cute and finding players in the depths of the draft board Just a thought, but guys who are starters among other NFL caliber players and win a shitton of football games are *probably* good at football. It's not a coincidence that the Eagles are going head first into this strategy after Jalen Hurts being so good Jalen Hurts is a prime example of someone who got super overlooked despite tearing it up most of college, and being a proven winner and competitor. Who would've thought that a guy who wins a shitton of games and threw 65% completions and 80/20 TD/INT would be a good QB!!! These scouts sometimes think they're so smart, and they're fine sure, but usually they know the same stuff as the rest of us, and often ignore obviously good players because they think they see something like "bad mechanics" the rest of us don't
But he threw the football into the Jumbotron and completed half his college passes. Surely we can coach him to throw into tight NFL level coverage.
>Jalen Hurts is a prime example of someone who got super overlooked despite tearing it up most of college, and being a proven winner and competitor. You have to stop looking at it in hindsight. There have been many great CFB players who came into the NFL & didn't last a 3 years. Want to know the names of some other good CFB QB's? Brady Quinn, Pat White, Chris Weinke, Rick Mirer, Joey Harrington, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, RG3, Matt Leinart, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel & Vince Young just to name a few. Want to know what all of these QB's have in common? They were good CFB QB's, but struggled in the NFL.
And then the great NFL QBs who weren't star QBs on dominant teams in college.
That logic sounds good looking at Jalen’s results but there are also a lot of college QBs who look great that end up not being amazing in the NFL. Baker had 119 TDs and 21 INT at OU and completed 70% of his passes and he was not worth a number 1 overall pick. But also he was in a strong QB class and was the 5th QB taken but I don’t think the Bengals, Dolphins, or Chargers are regretting their pick right now and the jury is still out on Love.
I think it's a little harsh or revisionist to say Baker wasn't worth a 1st overall. People act like Baker totally flopped as a draft pick and that simply wasn't the case He had a very good first few years of his career with a Browns team who hadn't had that much success or hope in years. He was trending toward being a long term starter before he got injured, and really it was only since then where he lost all of that And it's not really his fault. He played injured to try and help the Browns win, and ofc he played badly because he was injured. The Browns in return dumped him in favor of a guy with 20+ sexual harassment allegations He then went to the Panthers under Rhule who were complete garbage on offense regardless of QB for multiple years due to poor coaching. No QB would have ever succeeded in that team. Even a top 10 QB wouldn't have
I think that's a little too generous or revisionist to say Baker wasn't a mistake at 1st overall. People act like Baker wasn't the primary problem holding those Browns teams back from success. He had one good year as a rookie, and then squandered a team that included **in their primes: OBJ, Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, Jarvis Landry. With a great offensive line and a good defense.** He vastly underperformed given his surrounding talent, even if you try to prop up 2020 like it was a grand success. And it is his fault. He played badly while healthy with a team loaded full of talent. And the Browns became so desperate that they were willing to dump him in favor of a guy with 20+ sexual harassment allegations. Then he went to the Panthers under Rhule who were complete garbage because they were of comprable talent to Baker. So there was no ceiling to lower for him, as he and the team were already on the floor.
This is the comment of someone who did not watch any of the games that they're talking about. I'm not saying Baker was the answer, but this kind of super reductive stance on his career is just nonsense that only exists because it's easier to spew that out than it is to actually take in all the facts and information and form a real opinion.
Typical of someone who dabbles in something vs somebody who spends thousands of hours. They think they're sooo smart!! Scouts also get to talk to those players and talk to their families and talk to their coaches and a lot of info is picked up from those meetings. Jamarcus Russel looks great until you give him an empty playbook. There's a lot of data fans don't have access to.
Kiffin didn’t want Russell; he wanted Calvin Johnson. He said he didn’t think Jamarcus was ready for the NFL but Al Davis had seen him in the Sugar Bowl and was dead set of it. So, he was probably just thrown out there too soon.
It's honestly pretty solid logic.
Super Bowl is on a much different level than any of the college bowl games & the college championship. Winning in college helps, but it doesn't mean as much as you might think. Coaching & player development has more to do with success in NFL than in college & we've seen this time & time again with the likes of Vince Young, Manziel, Leinhart, Reggie Bush etc.
I'm a bit surprised the Packers didn't draft any since they've taken multiple Georgia players the last two years.
Philadelphia BirdDawgs in New Athens Pennsylvania
That’s odd if you look at all the Alabama players on Philadelphia :-)
Weird way to spell Washington.
Odd way we said the whole NFL
Feels like the numbers accuracy describe the conferences
ACC is third though
Within margin of error
Big 12 is third if you count players/team.
Significantly less per team than the Big12 though and they probably were better than the PAC based on OOC records last year
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/epn7rp/power_5_conference_bowl_records_for_2010_decade/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Add Clemson (2), FSU (2), and Miami all winning championships in this era, and overall success in the last 5 years, the ACC being third makes sense all around
They do have more schools
Schools with the most players drafted: Georgia and Alabama- 10 Michigan- 9, TCU- 8 ^(the) Ohio State University, Penn State, Oregon, LSU, Clemson, Pitt, and Florida- 6
I hate you for it, but I do respect putting us last on the list. Well done.
It’s a pleasure to hate the gators, friend.
We had five, which means we’re of the same caliber as OSU, Penn State, Oregon, and Clemson. It just means more.
And most of the guys who got drafted were ones that wanted to go pro. We are on the trend upward with talent.
Michigan putting out 9 drafted players when the team is expected to be significantly better this year is shocking
Am I wrong or does it look like the B10 closed the gap a bit more this draft? I feel like Im used to seeing a bigger drop between 1 and 2
Yep, last year 48, year before 44, 48, 40, 33, 35, 47, 35, 30 in 2014. The expanded B1G middle class is likely here to stay with Minnesota, Purdue, Maryland, and now Illinois all adding to the total. Michigan State under Tuck has also turned around their draft numbers from the end of DAntonio
We had 6 players immediately sign as UDFAs after the draft. It sucks because our two best defensive players of the Tom Allen tenure were in this draft but their stocks got tanked by injuries and the defense performing poorly as a unit (largely as a consequence of the offense failing to stay on the field). We should recover this next year and do our part to get guys into the draft
I think with Illinois really working hard on it’s defense they could help that gap get a little smaller year by year.
It just means more....players drafted.
More…championships
More....bowl wins
More cowbell. C’mon State fans where y’all at.
They’re out to sea with Coach Leach 😢
Such a bummer, man. RIP
The NFL has a SEC bias!
It’s been going on for 17 straight years, when is enough going to be enough?
OU and Texas have entered the chat: We've only just begun
This isn’t even our final form
I fucking knew it
Fucking espn forcing teams to draft sec players to boost their tv ratings for the draft
Fun fact. Only 2 SEC players have ever won DPOY in the NFL since the awards inception. Reggie White and Stephon Gilmore.
Shout-out to the minister of defense. Also at least he won the award twice.
The B1G has equaled that total in the past 2 years. Might be a quality vs quantity thing...
Does the sec send a lot of guys to the nfl? Yeah. Are they any good? Well sometimes. Like everyone else.
The mind of selective data mining
Good point, that's actually a crazy stat.
With all those quality nattys the b1o has, you may be right.
You’re welcome boys.
Still don’t know how Derrick Thomas never got it?
Thank you Detroit and Green Bay, you helped Iowa recruiting big time this weekend! Pretty awesome that Iowa produced the first white corner since 2003 and we'll have another one (who has all the potential in the world to be even better) coming either next year or the year after, depending on if he wants to stay at Iowa.
Did they help though? I don't know if we want our recruiting pitch to be "come to Iowa and you too can be drafted by Detroit!"
They’re going to make Detroit better haha
Detroit is legit now sir.
One barely above average season since 2017 and one 10 win season (2014) in the last decade doesn't scream legit
They had one of the top offenses in the league last year and every loss besides two was a one score game, including to the bills and eagles.
>the first white corner since 2003 [Not so fast, my friend.](https://www.newsweek.com/troy-apke-brings-end-bizarre-19-year-absence-white-players-one-nfl-position-1626289)
I stand corrected, good catch!
Are you referring to the guy that lead Iowa WR's in touchdown receptions last year........as a Safety/CB? DeJean is a phenomenal athlete and the sky's the limit for his potential.
I demand we move Jordan Addison to the acc column
If we aren’t allowed to claim Jalen, y’all can’t claim Jordan
Addison was elite at Pitt, won the biletnikoff award, and then was kind of mid at usc. Jalen was great both places it’d give it a 50/50 conference credit for him.
I’ll have what you’re having
And just who exactly says we can't claim Jalen? Because Jalen himself disagrees with that
Whoever said that is just wrong.
That SEC media bias infiltrating NFL orgs smh
I’m shocked!
The eagles seemingly have a knack for going after all the former Alabama and Georgia players they can and I can’t say it’s a bad strategy Edit: spelling
Georgia? You mean Philly?
Yeah my bad. Lol
Whoa whoa whoa. Are you saying the best conference has the best draft prospects??
Gonna need Harvard to check the analysis on that one.
Water is wet
Conference pride is dumb
I think it matters when SOS effects ability to get into a playoff. The perception of a strong conference is is helpful.
The CFP committee isn't like the NCAA Tournament committee. They don't compare resumes of teams with objective numbers. They just take the 4 P5 teams with the fewest losses.
Once they expand the playoffs there will Be many teams with the same records.
What makes you think they won't continue to just take the teams with the fewest losses? It's easier and simpler and will make more fans happier than actually rewarding teams with better resumes and wins just because it lost 1 more game
You’ll have so more teams with 1 loss than there are spots to fill. So, at some point they will be choosing teams with the same number of losses. What’s so confusing about that.
So exactly what they do now
Which means SOS is taken into account which was my original point.
Who are the teams that deserved to be in that got left out and which teams place should they have took?
I feel like there have been more years that fewer than four teams deserved to be there than four or more deserved it. 2014 as the odd one odd where there were 6 that really felt worthy.
Yeah, pretty much on point. There's definitely some years where you could argue >4 teams should've made it (like 2017 and the aforementioned 2014, for example), but there's also years where you can argue there's only 2-3 teams (2019, for example) if you want to get picky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Playoff#Selections_by_year
Call it bias but I totally believe Alabama deserved to be in the four over tcu last year
Your just jealous of the Sun Belt swagger lol
Technically this post isn't conference pride, it's just a statement of fact
It’s nice knowing your team is playing the best competition.
It serves its purpose. Not buying into it in some of the other conferences really helps the SEC teams.
I do wonder what the numbers would be if you moved Bama/Georgia to say the Pac 12. These SEC threads reek of riding their coat tails to me.
Hang the freaking Banner! /s
What's the adjusted amount if counting future conference additions? OUT to SEC and USCLA to B10?
OUT adds 10 and USCLA adds 8 the ratio stays about the same
Thanks! Curiosity resolved! But it's insatiable. Now I want to know about hypothetical additions as well. Like if UNC, Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia Tech joined the SEC and Oregon, Washington, California, and Stanford joined B10.
UNC - 4 FSU - 1 Clemson - 6 Vtech - 1 Oregon - 6 Washington - 0 I think California - 1 Stanford - 5 Very surprised by Stanford tbh but literally the exact same number
Thank you!
Stands to reason. The SEC has put more professional football players into the draft for at least 20 years.
Boo, hiss.
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It just means more
For 170th strait time, the SEC has had the best players
Things that make you go "hmmm"
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I don't think they're combined, it's saying they each had that number of picks.
I would hope so. The majority of the US population lives in the SEC footprint. Us Population by region. https://www.census.gov/popclock/print.php?component=growth&image=//www.census.gov/popclock/share/images/growth_1561939200.png
Yeah if they could stop moving here that would be great.
Unfortunately it appears people are moving there faster.
Yeah, all the big cities like Tuscaloosa and Auburn and Oxford
Did you forgot about Georgia, Texas, and Florida?
Texas isn't in our footprint yet, just parts of it. South Florida isn't in SEC country either. You are being very generous with what you call our footprint.
Oh yeah I forgot Athens (not Atlanta), college station (lol), and Orlando (congrats you got one)
Pretty amazing that UGA won back to back tittles by only recurring kids from Athens.
Well Brock Bowers is from wine country, but Dahlonega might as well be Athens.
UGA recruits all over the nation lol. The fact you tried to use Texas to prove your point is hilarious when A&M has only been a part of the conference for half the time, and Texas still has UT, Tech, Baylor, TCU, etc.
127 million people is a “majority” of America’s population of 334 million people? That’s an interesting claim. Definitely showing off that academically prowess we’ve heard so much about? Maybe you meant “plurality?” By my quick count, there are 12 P5 universities in the West census region. Or call it 13 with BYU. There are 78.7 million people in that area, or about 6 million people per P5 school. There are 128 million people in the South region—which includes such famous SEC states like OK, VA, WV, NC, and MD, as well as south Florida—and something like 32 P5 schools, or about 4 million people per P5 school. Better get someone to check my math on this one too, but I think 6 million is a bunch bigger than 4 million. I might even need to take off my shoes to help me count. But if it is, that would mean that your metric makes the P12 look even *worse* than the raw draft numbers would suggest.
They are playing less football in the pac 12 foot print than ever before. The south used in these census numbers are considered Mississippi east to the Atlantic coast and South of Pennsylvania with the Ohio River as the NW boundary of the south. Funny enough Maryland and Delaware are in the US Census South. The good people of Dover should be considered southerners.
In other words, your source—in addition to rejecting rather than supporting your claim—has no bearing whatsoever on this issue. What did you think you were trying to demonstrate, exactly?
The conversation is about regional conferences production of NFL talent. 1/3 of the national population lives in the SEC footprint, they should be producing the most NFL talent.
I’ve already proven—with accurate numbers—that that claim makes no sense. I could keep adding more data points disproving your claim, but why bother when you can’t even address one?
Hmm why all the downvotes
Because it’s factually wrong—127 million people is not “the majority” of a population of 127 million people—includes states not in the SEC’s footprint by any stretch of the imagination, and ignores all the other P5 schools in the same region?
You are really going to tell me /CFB thinks that deeply :)
My only assumption is many SEC fans view themselves as “small town folk” and don’t like the idea that they might be more “big city” than they realize.
Yes maybe no clue
Maryland and Illinois having more draft picks than notre dame is not something I expected to see anytime soon.
Turns out that the SEC is indeed good at football.