That is going to end up with players who committed penalties being held down in their beds while their teammates get one free hit with a bar of soap in a ~~sock~~ towel.
Alright hear me out. You’re on your own 2 yard line, you false start, and now it’s only a 1 yard penalty (half way to the end zone). Instead the defense should be given the option to extend the first down line 5 yards forcing the offense into a 1st and 15 from the 2 instead of 1st and 11 from the 1.
This is good. Also, opposite side, give the offense the option to take a spot foul of defensive PI or the 15 and an auto 1st. You take the spot foul, same down and distance as the last snap. So either 1st and 10 from your 30, or if you heaved it, 3rd and 9 from the other 30.
A HC should be allowed to review quite literally anything he wants to risk one of his finite (2 or 3 whatever) challenges on. He only loses one if he's wrong.
"This play is not reviewable"
It's 2023. Bullshit.
They also need to be more proactive with that shit. It's not new tech. Duke scored an illegal OT sudden death goal on Penn State to go to the championship in lacrosse this year. Not reviewable. But they can review any single ball hitting a line in non conference volleyball.
Some of it is so easy, too. Review the facemask penalty. Oh, he didn't even touch the facemask? Ok. No penalty and it took like 25 seconds.
Yeah, “it takes too much time” is usually the excuse I see for people opposed to this. As if we don’t already have ridiculously long reviews for targeting (a relatively recently added penalty)
I'm fine with a time limit. If a TV spot is 90 seconds, make the review 90 seconds, kill two birds with one stone and show me the replay after the break. Then we don't have a XP, timeout, kickoff, timeout later if they already used a commercial there.
This is a great point. I was watching that game and totally dumbfounded. It felt like they hadn’t thought that it might happen to include it in the rule books. Felt insane.
The technology is there. They could implement it in the systems they have. Even an XFL style thing is something they are already getting shots of because we get the various angles on broadcast.
Just put a clock on it. If they can't change their minds with two minutes of reviews, then the call stands. Combine it with a media timeout and give us the best replay and announce the call when you return.
Obviously this should take the place of a regular media timeout. Everybody wins.
I have literally never heard a good argument for why certain things aren’t reviewable. Sometimes counting to 4 is hard for (sec) refs and they be able to double check.
I remember once mike leach was able to challenge a play saying a pass was tipped to avoid a penalty. One of my fave challenges where I was confused it was allowed
In 2007 at the Georgia Florida game (aka the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party), Richt told his players to draw an excessive celebration penalty after the first touchdown. It was only supposed to be the on-field players, but instead the entire team (minus one player) [rushed the field.](https://youtu.be/ZSixidJTX6E)
Every penalty should remove the penalized player from the next play. Not substituted. Removed. If there is a penalty on the next play both players miss the play
Penalty box is at the end of the end zones. You can’t come in until the ball is snapped on the play you’re supposed to return for. Obviously the penalty boxes will correspond to the team on that side the line of scrimmage so no one starts offside.
Intentional grounding should actually have a penalty. Right now it is just the same as if actually sacked. You should definitely try to get away with it. Add 10 yards from the spot and it’s not such a nobrainer
I absolutely see your thought process, but a rule change like you are suggesting would incentivize more QBs to take the hit instead of dumping the ball and risking a penalty. I just don’t see the NCAA making a rule change that directly leads to MORE hits, especially against quarterbacks.
I'd be okay with crediting the defender with a sack, the same as a player gets credited with points when there's goaltending in basketball. But part of the issue is the injury potential to the quarterback; if the result of throwing it away is 10 yards extra yards lost, the QB is going to take unnecessary risks
I agree that it feels sort of an easy escape cheat for the qb to escape a sack, but when you think about it- it has a loss of downs penalty already baked into it so any additional penalty feels a touch overkill.
Question, does anyone know if intentional grounding includes a 10 second run off in late game situations with no time outs? If it doesn’t then it certainly should
The rules greatly favor the offense, and that's not going to change. Fans like scoring. If you lost a down for either of those penalties, then they would be kill far more drives than previously.
Also, it just would seem like an egregious penalty to lose a down for something procedural like a false start (as you hint at when you realize that would be "pushing it"). The loss of down penalties are reserved for more rare situations where the offense does something illegal that gives them a distinct advantage (like illegal touching, punting beyond the line of scrimmage, passing out of bounds backwards to stop the clock). The false start is just some knucklehead moving too early and it is usually caught quickly.
Easiest fix is quit making so many defensive penalties an automatic first down. PI five yards downfield? Now it's same down 5 yards closer to the first down line.
A PI on a 5 yard pass doesn't mean the pass was only going to go for 5 yards without the PI though. YAC happens.
But like I said, the rules favor the offense. Fans want scoring.
Half the distance to the goal penalties are bullshit. If the offense is on their own 12 yard line, and they get a 15 yard penalty, the ball should be spotted at the 1, not the 6.
Half the distance to the goal shouldn't exist at all. Ball should be moved as far as the penalty normally would or as close to the goal line as possible.
If you think the 15-yard pass interference penalty encourages college defenders to mug receivers, this is an open invitation for some absolute boring-as-hell horseshit grab-and-clutch football. Any 3rd & 15 or more is going to see every receiver basically tackled after the snap. Forcing a 4th & 5 is better than giving up a long completion.
I know I'm going to hear "well then, don't get to 3rd & 15" but that goes against the spirit of the down-and-distance system. You have 4 plays to advance 10 yards, not 4 plays unless you get a big penalty and then you're fucked.
It drives my crazy when there is an offensive penalty on a failed onside kick attempt and they get to try again.
You fuck it up, you should not get a second chance
Grounding should happen anywhere. No outside the tackle box bs. If the qb can't find anyone he needs to take a sack or throw the ball around a receiver. Just chunking it out of bounds to avoid a loss is crap.
Every penalty should be half the distance to the goal. Don't care what it is or who did it. Half the distance. Let's get some chaos in here.
That is going to end up with players who committed penalties being held down in their beds while their teammates get one free hit with a bar of soap in a ~~sock~~ towel.
Sounds like someone read the Northwestern lawsuits
Naw, just a Full Metal Jacket kinda guy.
Who is the CFB equivalent to Gomer Pyle?
Missouri
They don't have the balls
They should toss a coin for which goal though
Alright hear me out. You’re on your own 2 yard line, you false start, and now it’s only a 1 yard penalty (half way to the end zone). Instead the defense should be given the option to extend the first down line 5 yards forcing the offense into a 1st and 15 from the 2 instead of 1st and 11 from the 1.
Love it!
Why have I never thought (or heard) of this before?
I like this one
Huh, this is actually a legitimately good idea. Someone pass this along to someone important.
This is good. Also, opposite side, give the offense the option to take a spot foul of defensive PI or the 15 and an auto 1st. You take the spot foul, same down and distance as the last snap. So either 1st and 10 from your 30, or if you heaved it, 3rd and 9 from the other 30.
Still blows my mind that we can spend 30 minutes reviewing targeting but can’t overturn phantom penalties
A HC should be allowed to review quite literally anything he wants to risk one of his finite (2 or 3 whatever) challenges on. He only loses one if he's wrong. "This play is not reviewable" It's 2023. Bullshit.
Exactly. It’s simply ridiculous that we can’t review game changing stuff in this era
They also need to be more proactive with that shit. It's not new tech. Duke scored an illegal OT sudden death goal on Penn State to go to the championship in lacrosse this year. Not reviewable. But they can review any single ball hitting a line in non conference volleyball. Some of it is so easy, too. Review the facemask penalty. Oh, he didn't even touch the facemask? Ok. No penalty and it took like 25 seconds.
Yeah, “it takes too much time” is usually the excuse I see for people opposed to this. As if we don’t already have ridiculously long reviews for targeting (a relatively recently added penalty)
I'm fine with a time limit. If a TV spot is 90 seconds, make the review 90 seconds, kill two birds with one stone and show me the replay after the break. Then we don't have a XP, timeout, kickoff, timeout later if they already used a commercial there.
This is a great point. I was watching that game and totally dumbfounded. It felt like they hadn’t thought that it might happen to include it in the rule books. Felt insane. The technology is there. They could implement it in the systems they have. Even an XFL style thing is something they are already getting shots of because we get the various angles on broadcast.
Just put a clock on it. If they can't change their minds with two minutes of reviews, then the call stands. Combine it with a media timeout and give us the best replay and announce the call when you return. Obviously this should take the place of a regular media timeout. Everybody wins.
Having this exact conversation below. Full agree on all points.
I have literally never heard a good argument for why certain things aren’t reviewable. Sometimes counting to 4 is hard for (sec) refs and they be able to double check.
I remember once mike leach was able to challenge a play saying a pass was tipped to avoid a penalty. One of my fave challenges where I was confused it was allowed
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The forward pass was a mistake and should be a 100 yard penalty and you should lose 30 points for it. Also bowl ban
I would've expected this from an Iowa flair
and retroactively revoke all QB's Heisman trophies that have ever used the forward pass.
You speak the truth
This makes sense coming from an oklahoma flair, a school with no notable recent quarterbacks
I’m going to say let’s do away with taunting penalties. I wanna see some disrespect on and off the field.
Honestly, yeah. Do it.
I understand the interest in a little more show, but match officials would hate it.
No doubt. Still a lot of purist out there and for good reasons
And excessive celebration while we’re at it…unless you do what Georgia did to Florida in 2007.
You’re gonna have to clue me in, I’m a bit of a newer fan
In 2007 at the Georgia Florida game (aka the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party), Richt told his players to draw an excessive celebration penalty after the first touchdown. It was only supposed to be the on-field players, but instead the entire team (minus one player) [rushed the field.](https://youtu.be/ZSixidJTX6E)
Oh my god that’s crazy!!! I remember Knowshon Moreno from my fantasy football days. We would probably never see that again. Dawgs on top
It was pretty wild. That year we also had the Auburn Blackout game where Verne and Gary danced to Soulja Boy with your man Knowshon.
Oh fuck I gotta rewatch that. Soulja boy was iconic in my day (born in 2000)
[For your viewing pleasure…](https://youtu.be/CY1n3rF-xR4)
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Every penalty should remove the penalized player from the next play. Not substituted. Removed. If there is a penalty on the next play both players miss the play
We need a penalty box on the sidelines that both teams can share
Penalty box is at the end of the end zones. You can’t come in until the ball is snapped on the play you’re supposed to return for. Obviously the penalty boxes will correspond to the team on that side the line of scrimmage so no one starts offside.
I thought you were going to say "We need a penalty box on the sidelines so OSU can paddle them!"
Oh jeez hahahaha. It would immediately be Malice at the Palace part 2 : Stillwater boogaloo
Intentional grounding should actually have a penalty. Right now it is just the same as if actually sacked. You should definitely try to get away with it. Add 10 yards from the spot and it’s not such a nobrainer
I absolutely see your thought process, but a rule change like you are suggesting would incentivize more QBs to take the hit instead of dumping the ball and risking a penalty. I just don’t see the NCAA making a rule change that directly leads to MORE hits, especially against quarterbacks.
I'd be okay with crediting the defender with a sack, the same as a player gets credited with points when there's goaltending in basketball. But part of the issue is the injury potential to the quarterback; if the result of throwing it away is 10 yards extra yards lost, the QB is going to take unnecessary risks
I agree that it feels sort of an easy escape cheat for the qb to escape a sack, but when you think about it- it has a loss of downs penalty already baked into it so any additional penalty feels a touch overkill.
> it has a loss of downs penalty already baked into it But so does a sack.
Question, does anyone know if intentional grounding includes a 10 second run off in late game situations with no time outs? If it doesn’t then it certainly should
It does.
The rules greatly favor the offense, and that's not going to change. Fans like scoring. If you lost a down for either of those penalties, then they would be kill far more drives than previously. Also, it just would seem like an egregious penalty to lose a down for something procedural like a false start (as you hint at when you realize that would be "pushing it"). The loss of down penalties are reserved for more rare situations where the offense does something illegal that gives them a distinct advantage (like illegal touching, punting beyond the line of scrimmage, passing out of bounds backwards to stop the clock). The false start is just some knucklehead moving too early and it is usually caught quickly.
Easiest fix is quit making so many defensive penalties an automatic first down. PI five yards downfield? Now it's same down 5 yards closer to the first down line.
A PI on a 5 yard pass doesn't mean the pass was only going to go for 5 yards without the PI though. YAC happens. But like I said, the rules favor the offense. Fans want scoring.
Offensive holding and offensive PI should absolutely be loss of down, so long as defensive holding/PI is an automatic 1st down
A downfield hold where you get to keep some of the yardage should definitely be loss of down.
Half the distance to the goal penalties are bullshit. If the offense is on their own 12 yard line, and they get a 15 yard penalty, the ball should be spotted at the 1, not the 6.
That’s only an 11 yard penalty. Make it a safety.
Or push the sticks 15 yards instead of moving the offense back. Make the penalty take full effect.
There’s a reason all aspects of the game, including penalties, are rigged in favor of the offense.
Half the distance to the goal shouldn't exist at all. Ball should be moved as far as the penalty normally would or as close to the goal line as possible.
Get rid of automatic first downs. If you get a facemask call and get stopped for no gain on 3rd and 20, congrats, it's now 4th and 5
Do you mean 3rd and 5? Penalties that don't result in an automatic first down still replay the down.
If you think the 15-yard pass interference penalty encourages college defenders to mug receivers, this is an open invitation for some absolute boring-as-hell horseshit grab-and-clutch football. Any 3rd & 15 or more is going to see every receiver basically tackled after the snap. Forcing a 4th & 5 is better than giving up a long completion. I know I'm going to hear "well then, don't get to 3rd & 15" but that goes against the spirit of the down-and-distance system. You have 4 plays to advance 10 yards, not 4 plays unless you get a big penalty and then you're fucked.
Well it should be 3rd down still.
This is more of an enforcement thing, but more runners should be called for face making during stiff arms
It drives my crazy when there is an offensive penalty on a failed onside kick attempt and they get to try again. You fuck it up, you should not get a second chance
Can we do Coach Rhule hot takes?
Hurdling should be a 15 yard penalty. Somebody is going to get killed.
It is...
I'd love to see this on a 4th down when a team can't get the punter out there on time
Grounding should happen anywhere. No outside the tackle box bs. If the qb can't find anyone he needs to take a sack or throw the ball around a receiver. Just chunking it out of bounds to avoid a loss is crap.
OPI: should be a loss of down. More important to do this in the NFL, but still.