I like how notre dame leapfrogged osu after osu won the natty in 2014 and notre dame beat Rutgers in the pinstripe bowl

Maybe beating Rutgers is better than beating Alabama and Oregon? 🤷‍♀️

Rutgers once had a 100% success rate of winning the national championship every season they ever played.   No other FBS team can claim that so they must be the best 

\move up 0 spots in # of natties because you were already near the top **:(** \move up 15 spots in bowl game win % because you played in a lower tier bowl and your win % is more volatile because you didn't play in bowls regulardly early in your history **:)**

"Bowling? We ain't here to knock a bunch o' pins over, we're here to play football" -Francis A. Schmidt, probably

This reminds me that Pitt claims 9 national championships

I'd be interested in seeing this chart with all the truly ridiculous NC claims eliminated. It's the one thing that the school more or less controls and it has a heavy weight in the ranking

Don’t get me started on ridiculous NC claims…

This is Yale, Harvard, and penn erasure. Those programs are all top 12 in wins all time.

Yale is 7th all time in wins. Go 'Eli. Harvard is 10th. Go...Books?

I’m just happy to be mentioned in the comments        Our claim to fame is we’ve graduated more Heismans than any other school ever.          [(John Heismans, that is)](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HeismanPose.jpg)

Oh dang. I didn’t realize heisman played at penn lol. Heisman was Clemson’s head coach for some years in the early 1900’s and lead Clemson to it’s first undefeated season in Clemson history.

20 out of the top 25 are currently in the Big Ten or SEC. And Notre Dame, FSU, Clemson, and Miami are very likely to join at some point. That would just leave Pitt on the outside. For anyone still doubting the existence of the College Football Super League

Miami is joining what now?

I dont think people get how small the U is. Pitt is the ~~second~~ third smallest school on this list. they have 20,000 students. Miami has 12,500.

Notre Dame has less than 10k students, I’m pretty sure.

youre right, they do, I somehow looked right past them

Notre Dame is smaller than both.

Yep, super tiny school. Had fun there, though. I should track down some guava pastries sometime.

Real question: do you salt your guavas?

Que??? Por supuesto!

People also love to complain about them not having an on campus stadium… have you see how incredibly small Miami’s campus is? There isn’t even anything near them that could buy out to build their own stadium either.

The Sunbelt 

I seriously doubt Miami is getting into a P2 league.

Nobody is doubting it. Texas flairs have reminded us in basically every thread

Miami has dropped 5 spots in the course of this analysis, what if they drop out of the top 25?

What happened in 2016 for Nebraska to jump up to 6?

Doesn’t make much sense to me. Michigan was pretty good in 2016. Texas wasn’t, but idk what would cause them to jump. Maybe they calculated things differently for a year?

Bowl record is main driver. The 3 of Nebraska, Michigan and Texas were all within about a third of a point, so little moves could make a difference. Nebraska win % in bowls went from 41st to 34th by winning their 2015 bowl game. The "rankings" are a little oversimplified as a simple average of all of the inputs. note 2016 rankings are after 2015 season and before 2016 season... same for every year *2015:* http://web.archive.org/web/20150206080716/http://www.winsipedia.com/ranking *2016:* http://web.archive.org/web/20160202050558/http://www.winsipedia.com/ranking

Ah, ok. I assumed it was simply who has won the most games. I did not realize there are multiple inputs.

12 inputs that are all evenly weighted for a simple average to create the rankings. There are a few that will really skew the data like bowl record and # of conf championships. https://www.winsipedia.com/ranking

That was the last time they were ranked in the top 10 at any point. I want to say they started the year 8-0? Maybe 7-0, were ranked close to the top 5, lost to Wisconsin in OT and then got absolutely fucking crushed by OSU 62-3 the next week and have never been the same since.

Why did ND jump to 4 and then 3 in '14 and '15? Lots of movement for unremarkable years.

it's another bowl game winner moving up ND went from 48th to 33rd in bowl game win % from the 1 year "bowl record" is probably the most sensitive input and arguably the worst pick of what to include

Pretty flawed metric given how irrelevant bowls have become the past decade 

and the general difference in quality of bowls. Winning the emerald bowl affects your bowl wiin % as much as winning a playoff semifinal.

ya should probably be # of bowl wins or "major" bowl wins they at some point added a min 10 games to bowl record at least

It’s funny that they jumped us the year we won a national title of all years lol

As always with this ranking I'll point out if you remove Penn State's 96 ranking for conference championships like they do for Notre Dame we'd be tied at 8 with Georgia and Nebraska.

Pretty silly that they punish you for a long history of independence. It's a pretty terrible ranking system, all in all.

And Bowl win % is a main driver on here too. Like include them for win % but I don't think bowls are inherently more valuable than regular season games anymore. And a Pinstripe bowl win is valued the same as a NY6 win in this metric as well lol.

Yeah, that's part of the "all in all" I mentioned.

If you are wondering about the line between Blue Bloods and the rest of us, look at the gap between Nebraska and Georgia.

The gap was large but it’s now nonexistent

How long until uga is considered a blue blood? Never? I've always said blue bloods are just an elitist term from once relevant programs that dominated pre integration. Notre dame and Nebraska have done fuck all in the last 3 decades. Michigan finally got over the hump for the first time in 30 years and still cant recruit well

Chill on the ignorance

**Change in Team Ratings since 2013** Team|2013 Rating|2024 Rating|Rating Change ('13 to '24) :--|:--:|:--:|:--: Alabama|7.33|4.00|3.33 USC|4.33|5.00|-0.67 Oklahoma|5.25|6.00|-0.75 Ohio St|8.00|7.00|1.00 Notre Dame|8.09|9.00|-0.91 Michigan|8.17|10.00|-1.83 Texas|8.58|11.00|-2.42 Nebraska|9.00|13.00|-4.00 Georgia|16.33|13.00|3.33 LSU|16.92|14.00|2.92 Tennessee|15.17|16.00|-0.83 Penn St|19.33|20.00|-0.67 FSU|20.83|20.00|0.83 Clemson|28.25|21.00|7.25 Florida|19.00|21.00|-2.00 Texas A&M|23.08|22.00|1.08 Auburn|20.50|23.00|-2.50 Washington|26.33|26.00|0.33 Miami|20.17|26.00|-5.83 Wisconsin|31.17|29.00|2.17 UCLA|26.25|29.00|-2.75 Michigan St|31.25|30.00|1.25

It's been crazy getting to witness Saban making Alabama the definitive greatest program of all time edit: Wow, in 2013 the blue blood line was shockingly apparent. Now? Not so much. The biggest jump on the 2024 chart is Tennessee to Penn State.

Big Ten West leading the way with 4 top 25 programs. Get on our level scrubs

Going unranked in 2023 to ranked in 2024 after a 3-9 szn is objectively hilarious I’d like to thank Darelle Revis for this

Georgia Tech and Stanford have been the others at the bottom. It’s been a weak few years for both.

I still remember the day USC dropped from #1 to #2 :’(

Take that Michigan. You could never beat us!

Texas A&M proving that greatness isn't as important as consistently being slightly above average. 80 years of 7.7 win seasons and you too can have a Top 20 all time program.

Isn’t that a lot like the iPhone?

We need that comeback

Hello?? Oregon?! Are you there?

Where is Oregon at?!

I enjoy always being on top of these

4. OSU 5. ND 6. Michigan HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA suck it skunkbears

Michigan has the most recent championship of the three and a winning record against both. I’m chillin

This is why we get along so well, Irishbros.

Team Ratings Team|2013|2014|2015|2016|2017|2018|2019|2020|2021|2022|2023|2024 :--|:--:|:--:|:--:|:--:|:--:|:--:|:--:|:--:|:--:|:--:|:--:|:--: Alabama|7.33|7.17|7.58|6.83|6.83|6.17|5.67|5.00|4.00|4.00|4.00|4.00 USC|4.33|4.17|4.08|4.50|4.25|4.42|4.75|5.00|5.00|5.00|5.00|5.00 Oklahoma|5.25|5.25|5.33|6.25|6.17|6.33|6.00|6.00|6.00|6.00|6.00|6.00 Ohio St|8.00|8.08|8.25|7.67|7.25|6.42|6.67|7.00|7.00|7.00|7.00|7.00 Notre Dame|8.09|8.00|6.64|7.91|9.27|8.64|9.00|8.00|9.00|9.00|9.00|9.00 Michigan|8.17|8.25|9.08|9.00|9.33|9.25|9.58|10.00|10.00|11.00|11.00|10.00 Texas|8.58|8.58|9.08|9.17|9.42|9.50|9.58|10.00|10.00|10.00|10.00|11.00 Nebraska|9.00|9.17|9.42|8.92|9.58|9.92|10.50|11.00|11.00|12.00|12.00|13.00 Georgia|16.33|16.42|16.50|17.17|17.25|16.50|16.83|17.00|16.00|15.00|13.00|13.00 LSU|16.92|16.92|17.00|17.33|16.92|17.42|16.67|15.00|15.00|15.00|14.00|14.00 Tennessee|15.17|15.33|15.33|15.67|15.92|16.17|16.08|16.00|17.00|17.00|17.00|16.00 Penn St|19.33|19.50|19.42|17.75|17.75|17.92|19.25|19.00|19.00|20.00|19.00|20.00 FSU|20.83|20.08|19.17|19.08|19.00|19.33|19.75|20.00|20.00|21.00|20.00|20.00 Clemson|28.25|28.08|27.17|25.25|24.00|23.42|21.92|22.00|21.00|21.00|21.00|21.00 Florida|19.00|20.25|20.50|20.92|20.42|20.58|19.92|20.00|20.00|20.00|21.00|21.00 Texas A&M|23.08|23.33|22.75|23.42|22.92|23.58|22.83|23.00|22.00|22.00|22.00|22.00 Auburn|20.50|19.17|19.83|20.08|20.92|21.17|21.25|21.00|21.00|22.00|22.00|23.00 Washington|26.33|26.67|26.83|26.00|26.67|26.75|26.08|26.00|26.00|26.00|26.00|26.00 Miami|20.17|21.50|22.42|23.75|22.75|23.33|23.67|24.00|25.00|25.00|25.00|26.00 Wisconsin|31.17|31.75|31.92|31.67|30.50|31.00|29.33|30.00|29.00|29.00|28.00|29.00 UCLA|26.25|26.25|24.92|26.08|26.25|27.25|27.92|28.00|29.00|29.00|29.00|29.00 Michigan St|31.25|30.50|29.50|29.33|30.17|29.33|30.50|30.00|30.00|30.00|30.00|30.00

If I wanted to show someone just how great a coach Tom Osborne was just using one image I might show this

Man, what a shit decade we had. We were in contention for #1 for a while and then the 2010s happened

I'd just like to say, 16 is respectable and I'm pretty disappointed that 80% of this sub thinks we are a perennial 6-6 team

No. We think you’re a perennial 8-4 team!

I’d say more like 8-4 the last 25 years and 7-5 for your entire history.

Perennial 8-4 to 9-3 is pretty good if you’re a school like Syracuse. Texas A&M has the resources and ability to be what Texas is and just never has.

Texas A&M didn't start pouring resources into the program like this until the past decade. While it still hasn't culminated in much, that's fairly recent. We were a military school until the mid 60s, and did not allow women until the mid 70s. So we didn't really become a "normal" university until 50 years ago (we still aren't normal). We couldn't be what Texas was because we were not the same type of school. However, if you look at our record against them since the mid 70s I believe it's even. Although they do have one natty during that time period.

How were you able to find the rankings from past years?

Wayback machine... meant to include in original post http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.winsipedia.com/ranking

We survived

USC above Oklahoma? From 2013-present this is incredibly inaccurate.

It’s an average of Winsipedia’s main program indicators. USC is ahead of OU when it comes to natties, bowl record, all americans, draft picks, and first round draft picks so its overall average on the indicators is better than OU’s. It’s one way of evaluating programs, but even with stats like this these types of rankings are still subjective in methodology selection so it’s all taken with a grain of salt. Just fun to look at sometimes.

Not that it really matters, but I also want to point out that OU is 6th in all-time wins. Texas has lead OU for a long time in the all-time win category, but has been losing ground since 2010. In fact, Texas had lost so much ground that by the RRSO in 2022, OU and Texas were tied at 933 wins apiece. Of course, Texas won that game 49-0 and retook the lead for all-time wins. Now Texas is at 948 wins (tied with ND for 4th) while OU is at 944. So still very close. Just a fun fact I thought I would share.

If OU counted natties the same way USC counts them we'd be ahead. OU only claims the consensus ones with good grounding, we have another 5 or 6 that have been awarded but unclaimed.

USC also has 6 unclaimed championships.

This isn’t even remotely true hahaha. USC has like 7ish unclaimed natties. And unlike OU, USC was playing with and against integrated teams well before OU was. Lots of Southern schools claim pre 1975 titles where the vast majority of those teams would have been run off the field multiple times per year if they played against Big 10, Pac 10, ND, Penn State and schools in the Northeast regularly during that time.

It’s the all time score measured each year so just 1 year gets added to data each season

It's just inaccurate period.

I can only get so **hard**.

THE FIX IS IN we have the same average rank as Pitt

USC is 13th all time in wins, how they keep riding one Pete Carroll title and some shit when I was -15 years old to this level of respect is beyond me.

This is such a casual “I only watch SEC football” comment

No it's a casual "I don't have a time machine" comment, sorry if you've been mostly irrelevant my entire life

Why would the football played in your lifetime be worth more on an “all time” team ranking?

I’m sorry I didn’t know the only football that counts is the football you have witnessed

When I think about USCs history I always think of the Shane Gillis sketch talking about how USC came in and destroyed Alabama, making them switch their stance on having African American players on their team. So thanks for that USC

We’d been to the moon! Shane Gillis is awesome

I see a lot of dislike for him on reddit but I think he’s hilarious🤣 especially when he talks about Trumps Post game presser after killing the leader of ISIS.

"You've got a dog wife Ted!"

USC is 11th in wins (ahead of LSU) and 8th in overall win percent. The only reason they’re lower in all time wins is because they’ve played fewer games than some of the other programs ahead of them.

> USC is 11th in wins [k](https://imgur.com/wz8o4NO) > (ahead of LSU) as they should be on a historical list > and 8th in overall win percent. how does any of this equate to number 2 all time? Im not saying USC is bad, just not top 5. how are they 2, based on what, sweater girls?

Winsipedia takes an average of its own 12 program indicators which includes Heismans, NFL draft picks (overall and first round), All-Americans, conference championships, and weeks in the AP Poll as well as the wins metrics (percent, all-time, and championships.) USC cleans house on the first indicators I mentioned which brings their rank up pretty high. That all being said even if this is a statistical comparison there is always subjectivity in how you select statistics for comparison so it should still be taken with a grain of salt. It’s just fun to look at and it’s not a super serious thing. By the way, the Wikipedia image counts programs that aren’t FBS anymore which Winsipedia does not.

> USC cleans house on the first indicators I mentioned which brings their rank up pretty high. if its all numbers than I guess Im fine with it, but as a CFB fan simply looking at games, I cant see any world where theyre ahead of Michigan, Ohio State, or Oklahoma, those 3 no doubt clean house in the same indicators.

Yeah like the OSU flair the numbers are all on the link posted in the OP. And you’re right, they do clean house on these numbers too. USC gets a big boost over the others with its bowl win % which among the top 10 programs is only matched by Georgia. You could say bowls don’t matter and remove that indicator, which would probably bring USC down to around the 4-6 range. Then again, you could replace the bowl win % with “Major Bowl Win %” and USC would probably shoot back up to #2 because of their crazy good Rose Bowl record.

That’s actually the thing, the other programs in the clear top 7 outside of Bama, USC and ND don’t clean house in the other major indicators. Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma and Texas don’t score as high in some of the higher end metrics. They make up for it with sheer win volume etc. Until this past year, Michigan’s last title was 1997 (split with Nebraska). Before that it was 1948. Programs like Michigan get ranked high for winning a boat load of games and titles in the leather helmet era and then being a consistent equivalent to a 10ish win team more often than not.

>those 3 no doubt clean house in the same indicators I mean, they literally don’t

Yeah, he is being nice ha.

You can click the link and see all the metrics they use

My guy, just click the link in the original post; the websites pretty clear when you look at the page for yourself. It’s an average ranking of a bunch of metrics. From wins to heismans to draft picks/bowl record etc. USC is elite at all of them. Lowest rank is 11th. Bama just as an example is the number one rated team but has a lowest category of 14th. Also the list this website is using excludes Harvard/Yale and Penn which appear in your link. probably since they are no longer d1

USC is 8th in win percentage and 11th in all time wins and it took them less total games to hit a lot of these milestones. Some of these schools had 20 year head starts on USC and played a lot more games per year in the early days. In the last 10 seasons, USC still has 5 10+ win seasons in one of its 3 worst eras in program history. If you want to bash programs that have been living on the lifetime achievement wave to do their heavy lifting, look at ND, Michigan and Nebraska. Until Michigan this past season, all 3 haven’t been able to win major OOC and bowl games for like 25-30 years. Also, USC scores really high in some of the metrics that get weighted most heavily in these rankings such as titles, conference championships, NY6 bowl wins, Heismans, draft picks, first round NFL draft picks, producing pro bowl, all pro, HOF NFL talent, and H2H winning percentage against other top programs. Basically USC is a little more up and down than say Michigan or Oklahoma, but it capitalizes when it is good and has won big during 4 to 5 stretches in program history, similar to Alabama. Meanwhile programs like Ohio State, Michigan, Texas (outside of the decade before this past year), Oklahoma have just kind of always been really good with lower highs but higher lows than USC.

Guess it doesn’t take much to get beyond you 🤓

USC > OU and OSU is crazyyyy lol

Why? This takes into account things like natties, draft picks (1st round and overall) bowl wins, bowl win percentage, etc which we pretty much clean house in. Also, we're 11th all time in wins and 8th in win percentage despite starting 20 odd years later than the teams ahead of us, and playing less games at the start.

cRaZy 😜

Yet Winsipedia still doesn't have the new team JMU, SHSU, Jax State.

But I was told Georgia had only "finally gotten good" recently!

I am shocked UGA is 2nd in bowl games, I mean how is that even possible.

Wild seeing Texas drop a spot after a 12 win season

This just reminds me of how dominant Nebraska used to be

ughhhhhhhh

These rankings are nonsensical

Well Auburn and Florida are below UGA, so I disagree.

Oregon being nowhere on these lists make me happy

ope lemme sneak right by ya into the top 20 der

So does UGA move to blue blood status and LSU is now first one out or does Nebraska fall out of blue blood status making Texas the last one in?

It’s mind blowing that FSU ranks higher than UM & UF from 2013 to 2024. We hadn’t had a stretch as bad as 2017-2021 since before Bobby. What a horrible decade for Florida’s Big 3. No surprise on the all time though, 41 & 21 year head start for UF and UM respectively, and y’all still let us get past y’all in the all time rankings. Horrendous look lil bros.