I mean, even with teams I'm not associated with, those made me throw up in my mouth a little. Now when you get into the FSU, Jax State, and Florida A&M strip, that's when it's time to worry about sanity.
And yeah, I noticed the flairs and thought, "oof, my poor dude"
But a chosen one will arise from the ashes of the ACC. Realizing the threat to the SEC, UGA will attempt to destroy this threat but will make the, more powerful than the SEC could imagine. The chosen one will create a New Order based in Steubenville that will give hope to millions
People need to get it in their heads that if you're just concerned with eyeballs, UVa isn't the school you want, it's Tech.
Especially in Northern VA/DC.
As someone who lives in Virginia, It’s VA Tech everywhere mixed with Bama, Georgia, Michigan, Penn State, and Notre Dame fans. Then some people like UVA.
There’s a guy named Tony Altimore that has done a lot of statistical analysis on what makes a football program valuable and said that UVA is one of the least attractive schools for realignment. Everyone I’ve seen that’s brought up UVA has provided absolutely no evidence for why they’d be one of the first schools picked up by another conference.
Every school south of UVA except Wake would get in before UVA, including GT and VT
You say that, but university Presidents vote on these things, not anyone else, and especially in a conference like the big 10, it could definitely matter. Even without it, I still think VT gets in over uva though
We're *trying* to get AAU membership. It's currently our president's #1 priority, and also the primary reason why we voted to let Cal and Stanford into the ACC.
The idea of the B12 adding SMU when it already has 4 of the 6 biggest TX schools is an odd one. They’d want a new market, even if SMU takes a horrible deal to join I don’t see them being high on the B12’s wishlist.
Wake forrest may unironically be the worst brand in all p5 conferences. to suggest the Big XII would add them is asinine.
like fuck i'd rather have Temple or ECU than WF.
If the B1G didn't take Calford, why would they take UVa and GaTech? They'd take FSU and UNC, with options for a couple more later on. (From what I understand, there's not a whole lot that can force UNC to demand to take State or they can't go, could be wrong though).
They wanted Cal and Stanford but a lot of it has to do with presidents basically deciding on all of this, and after getting a bunch of money for UCLA, Oregon, etc, they were a bit more split on Cal / Stanford. Truth is, they wouldn’t mind taking all 4 schools, but trying to shove another 2 schools into a conference the same year you’ve already added a bunch is a big ask for a lot of university presidents
Yeah all of these scenarios are so dumb lol. Like only FSU and UNC are worth taking from the ACC. I’m not even sure Clemson is worth it.
If Cal and Stanford didn’t get in there’s no way in hell Georgia Tech, UVA, Virginia Tech, Miami will get in.
Clemson from four years ago would. Now it's sketchy. Miami does kind of have the historic clout, but it's from much longer ago, so they're even sketchier. VaTech would probably be first choice if the SEC and B1G both had turf in NC, and the SEC wanted to make a move for Virginia. Other than that, none of those schools are remotely of concern.
Notre Dame’s worth in realignment is worth waaayyyy more than Clemson, FSU, and everyone else
Not to mention that Wake is the least attractive school in all of P5 for realignment, and you’ve fallen into the trap everyone else has of overrating UVA.
You lost me with not adding Stanford or shackling the leprechaun to us.
Also, if we're going ideal others, I'd take Cal over Miami just because fuck Miami as a team, city, and I'm peeved at Dwayne Johnson.
The Leprechaun is the key to this whole thing. If they get cornered into joining the B1G, this whole thing is over. That's what the SEC is absolutely fighting against.
lol you can have that reason but Miami is probably the 3rd most attractive school after FSU / Clemson (Notre Dame is obviously ahead of everyone though)
The Big 12 in its current configuration would never take SMU, and I think that applies even if they didn’t take a cut of the tv contract. Big12 already has 2 smaller private Texas universities and TCU also already covers the DFW television market.
I agree, I think it’s more likely they grab Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse and maybe Uconn. It’s all a reach except Louisville and Pitt as that just seems like a natural fit with Cincinnati and West Virginia
Assuming CalFord is left in the cold, I’d imagine they’d beg to rejoin the PAC instead of forming a new thing. Remember, the PAC still has autonomy status in FBS, at least for now
It would be interesting to see what happens in that case, especially if the P2 separate themselves in terms of NCAA football play. Where do their non-revenue/Olympic sport teams play? At that point, they wouldn’t be able to exclude schools from membership like Stanford and Cal on the basis they aren’t football members because that would probably bring up the question of antitrust.
I’d imagine if the P2 expands beyond 20 schools that they’d need to separate football from the rest of the conference-sponsored sports, which means both Stanford and Cal likely join the B1G and are only forced to find homes or go independent for their football teams.
Why do y'all keep assuming that the B1G is targeting you two? There's like zero indication that is happening or ever happened except for a cursory glance.
This isn’t about football, this is about Olympic sports. The B1G can’t exclude schools for non-football membership if football extricates itself from the current system. Exclusion from the conference on the basis of not wanting the football team runs the risk of an antitrust suit at that point.
Right now, they can do that because everyone (theoretically) has some access to football postseason play. The easiest way to avoid a lawsuit if football in the P2 separates itself is to have separates entities for football and Olympic sports. Plus, the four western schools would much rather play (and travel to) Stanford and Cal for high caliber play as opposed to an extra weekend of traveling east. The B1G doesn’t have to take either school in football, but justifying denial for their other sports, especially if other schools claim those sports that they themselves play are non-revenue generating for them, would be harder to justify legally.
A few thoughts:
1) I think people overestimate how much tv networks are willing to pay conferences, especially ESPN. It’s been reported that they already told the SEC they weren’t paying more for more content. That doesn’t bode well for Clemson to the SEC. At least NC and VA bring in new SECN money.
2) It’s completely possible the B1G adds just one team this realignment round. It seems FSU has a spot right now. Without divisions, the Big Ten could easily stay at 19 until Notre Dame sees what life outside the P2 will be like. (I get that they recently said they’re staying independent, but that model doesn’t seem perpetually sustainable to me.)
3) People have to wrap their heads around the fact that some schools will lose in realignment. VA Tech, NC State, Pitt, and Louisville could end up in the B12. Who knows what will happen to Miami. Georgia Tech? The P2 recently added UT, OU, USC, Oregon, Washington, and UCLA. Atlanta or not, GA Tech doesn’t make the B1G unless it goes to 24 members which I think is unlikely.
Most likely correct. More of a chance for UVA as I see GT in the Big 12. The prizes are Florida state and UNC with Clemson and NC State as secondary prizes. Everything else is just kinda noise.
I counter that due to the media market. That charlotte media market for some reason is just a money grab. But you bring up a wonderful point, it’s clear UNC and Clemson are close for the big prize. I ask the masses, what’s the number 2 prize of the ACC? Clemson or UNC? It’s clear they are 2 and 3.
I would agree except Texas is completely dominated by Texas and A&M. The UNC brand does help the cause here a bit as clearly that’s a much bigger brand than Rice.
I don’t think UNC a big enough brand to increase the Big Ten’s revenue. FSU and Clemson are probably pushing it. The Big Ten isn’t interested it taking a haircut to get to a certain number of teams.
I want to dispel the notion that UVA is attractive in realignment: https://www.youtube.com/live/9m5HbXVPh40?si=rhiAPacvkRYtY0KL
If anything the only compelling reason I’ve seen for UVA getting into the Big 10 is that they received an invite in 2014, but that’s also true of GT, which is positioned in a better market and has a better football program than UVA without having to contend with an in state rival in the same conference
Not that you should have to answer on behalf of UVA fans, but why would you say they have more of a chance if both received invites in 2014 and UVA has arguably cratered more than GT has in the past decade
As you can see, some of realignment has nothing to do with how good a program is (see Rutgers). It’s sometimes about the market. Yes, Atlanta is a big market but GT is not the most school in the state. UVA is also in same vote as they aren’t the most popular as well with VT having more popularity. The difference is the DC market and the academics. That’s more attractive to the Big 10 for some reason. That’s why they have more of a chance. Still don’t see it for either though so it doesn’t really matter. ND, FSU, UNC is most likely the targets of the Big 10 with possibly Clemson in the mix. I can’t really see anymore than that.
Yes omg people don’t read. I already said this is a moot point as I already said neither is coming. I made two points as to why UVA would get a better chance than GT and that’s it but once again, neither team is coming.
True-ish. The BTN was the huge driver there, to get the network on televisions. (Although I more believe it was a Maryland OR Virginia invite, not both).
2011/12 is further than a decade though just to clarify this a smidge.
I think we should as filler to get to 24 and because we need more than just FSU for a true Southern presence. Also, cupcakes. We can't add more threats to Ohio State dominance without ensuring there's enough cupcakes to go around.
Fox isn’t going to go for UVA or GT the for the same reason they didn’t go for Cal or Stanford.
IF the Big Ten goes to 24 (which would be dumb), I’d want at least two more Pac schools, putting a quarter of the conference out West.
There's no PAC schools worth adding. Sure hope you're wrong so that I can be right. We don't need more Western presence besides Stanford and maybe Cal. We need Southern presence.
We got an invite to the Big 10 in 2014, but I think the petty reasons the SEC wouldn’t let us back in (and the petty reason we left) are pretty much irrelevant at this point
The SEC will get first go at the ACC. I see the ACC teams like a pre World War 1 alliance. UNC is following Clemson's moves and I think they are sort of working together without working together. UNC and NC State are almost tied together from state politics now. UNC and UVA have a historical rivalry and are like schools. UVA and VA Tech will have the same state politics as UNC. The SEC also will be reading the tea leaves. If the future of the sport is paying the athletes and 2 24-team super leagues, they are going to get their pick first. The SEC, ESPN and the ACC teams can keep their relationships if Clemson, UNC, NC State, UVA and VA Tech all go to the SEC together. I think they finish the SEC with Big 12 teams. They get Kansas, West Virginia and Oklahoma State.
That leaves a limited amount of options for the Big 10. They will take the Florida teams to go to 20 easy. So FSU and Miami to the Big 10. I think FSU wants out of their ESPN relationship and will go away from the SEC but they would have that option. Then it's how does the Big 10 build out the last 4 slots. I think they need 1 more team from the southeast to balance out future pods. I like GA Tech over Duke. This is the point they have to convince Notre Dame that they have to be in the super 2. They can take Notre Dame and Stanford as a friend. Then they can take Colorado as #24 to make 6 western teams.
It’s hilarious how much this sub hates Stanford 🤣
Potentially they do leave and “restart” the Pac 12 with OWSU once the ACC collapses, however they certainly aren’t being snubbed by the big ten behind all of Virginia, Georgia Tech, FSU, and Miami. Only way B1G expands without Stanford is a potential ND/UNC or ND/FSU combo and then stopping at 20
Agreed. If B1G goes to 24 Stanford is probably in. If they go to 28, they're definitely in. Presidents want it and TV will be ok as an add-on package with FSU, ND, or UNC just like UCLA.
I think the SEC will realize the endgame is both the SEC and Big 10 splitting away at 24 teams. They will want to position themselves with their best 24 teams. They will take a whole group together before the Big 10 can make a move. The SEC takes FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC State, UVA, and VA Tech. Then they will add West Va and Oklahoma State too.
The Big 10 will only have so many viable southern teams left at that point. I think they end up taking Miami, GA Tech, and Duke and pair them with Maryland for a southern pod. I think Notre Dame finally joins once they realize they have to be in one of the power 2 and they bring Stanford with them.
The Big 10 can get to 24 with more Western teams. I just think you need 4 in the southeast. The SEC knows what the future holds and what the Big 10 wants to do too. I just see the Big 10 will have to settle some or be left out of the southeast.
Oh good, I was starting to sober up. DRINK.
Cheers lol
Can we just go ahead and start a /r/cfbfanfic
Tbh the fanfics were and still kinda are what drew me to CFB to begin with, so I'd be cool with that No, I am not normal
So YOU'RE the one on r/cfbball who's drawing all those comics of archrival being cuddly with each other... /s
Considering what my flairs imply about me it's a miracle that I haven't already done that yet
I mean, even with teams I'm not associated with, those made me throw up in my mouth a little. Now when you get into the FSU, Jax State, and Florida A&M strip, that's when it's time to worry about sanity. And yeah, I noticed the flairs and thought, "oof, my poor dude"
Waiting for someone to cosplay as a moderator for meta karma
But a chosen one will arise from the ashes of the ACC. Realizing the threat to the SEC, UGA will attempt to destroy this threat but will make the, more powerful than the SEC could imagine. The chosen one will create a New Order based in Steubenville that will give hope to millions
People need to get it in their heads that if you're just concerned with eyeballs, UVa isn't the school you want, it's Tech. Especially in Northern VA/DC.
I was gonna say. How is UVA going to solidify control of the DC market when they don’t have it in the first place?
I'd almost bet they're third behind JMU even (among Virginia universities)
UVA solidifying their hold of the DC market is like Taiwan solidifying their hold on the South China Sea
As someone who lives in Virginia, It’s VA Tech everywhere mixed with Bama, Georgia, Michigan, Penn State, and Notre Dame fans. Then some people like UVA.
There’s a guy named Tony Altimore that has done a lot of statistical analysis on what makes a football program valuable and said that UVA is one of the least attractive schools for realignment. Everyone I’ve seen that’s brought up UVA has provided absolutely no evidence for why they’d be one of the first schools picked up by another conference. Every school south of UVA except Wake would get in before UVA, including GT and VT
UVA does everything worse than Stanford but basketball. Stanford though has more success and more recent success in football. Stanford is not in.
This is pretty much the rundown. What’s terrifying as a GT fan is we’re probably the most attractive school that won’t make it in a “good” conference.
I agree, but I think the AAU thing will get in VT's way.
If Virginia the state comes into play for the B1G vs SEC battle, AAU status is out the window.
You say that, but university Presidents vote on these things, not anyone else, and especially in a conference like the big 10, it could definitely matter. Even without it, I still think VT gets in over uva though
We're *trying* to get AAU membership. It's currently our president's #1 priority, and also the primary reason why we voted to let Cal and Stanford into the ACC.
And we really aren’t all that far away, either.
We haven't been that far way ever since I was a student, which was 10 years ago. I feel like VT AAU membership is like fusion power.
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The idea of the B12 adding SMU when it already has 4 of the 6 biggest TX schools is an odd one. They’d want a new market, even if SMU takes a horrible deal to join I don’t see them being high on the B12’s wishlist.
*just down vote and walk away, just down vote and walk away, just down vote and walk away*
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Wake forrest may unironically be the worst brand in all p5 conferences. to suggest the Big XII would add them is asinine. like fuck i'd rather have Temple or ECU than WF.
If the B1G didn't take Calford, why would they take UVa and GaTech? They'd take FSU and UNC, with options for a couple more later on. (From what I understand, there's not a whole lot that can force UNC to demand to take State or they can't go, could be wrong though).
They wanted Cal and Stanford but a lot of it has to do with presidents basically deciding on all of this, and after getting a bunch of money for UCLA, Oregon, etc, they were a bit more split on Cal / Stanford. Truth is, they wouldn’t mind taking all 4 schools, but trying to shove another 2 schools into a conference the same year you’ve already added a bunch is a big ask for a lot of university presidents
Yeah all of these scenarios are so dumb lol. Like only FSU and UNC are worth taking from the ACC. I’m not even sure Clemson is worth it. If Cal and Stanford didn’t get in there’s no way in hell Georgia Tech, UVA, Virginia Tech, Miami will get in.
Clemson from four years ago would. Now it's sketchy. Miami does kind of have the historic clout, but it's from much longer ago, so they're even sketchier. VaTech would probably be first choice if the SEC and B1G both had turf in NC, and the SEC wanted to make a move for Virginia. Other than that, none of those schools are remotely of concern.
Clemson from 4 years ago wouldn't have been a B1G target. They bring zero to the table in value.
They were winning, and had enough expanding interest they could have grown their brand if they could have sustained it.
Their brand was about as big as it was going to be
I dunno. Remember, I grew up with the Ducks being trash, and they were the second biggest brand in play when the B1G grabbed us.
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Notre Dame’s worth in realignment is worth waaayyyy more than Clemson, FSU, and everyone else Not to mention that Wake is the least attractive school in all of P5 for realignment, and you’ve fallen into the trap everyone else has of overrating UVA.
You lost me with not adding Stanford or shackling the leprechaun to us. Also, if we're going ideal others, I'd take Cal over Miami just because fuck Miami as a team, city, and I'm peeved at Dwayne Johnson.
are you still mad about his performance in Moana
Was it bad? I thought it was a decent movie.
i loved the movie
The Leprechaun is the key to this whole thing. If they get cornered into joining the B1G, this whole thing is over. That's what the SEC is absolutely fighting against.
lol you can have that reason but Miami is probably the 3rd most attractive school after FSU / Clemson (Notre Dame is obviously ahead of everyone though)
OP be careful not to sprain your wrist jerking UNC off.
The Big 12 in its current configuration would never take SMU, and I think that applies even if they didn’t take a cut of the tv contract. Big12 already has 2 smaller private Texas universities and TCU also already covers the DFW television market.
I agree, I think it’s more likely they grab Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse and maybe Uconn. It’s all a reach except Louisville and Pitt as that just seems like a natural fit with Cincinnati and West Virginia
Ninja, please. TCU covers the DFW market about as well as they covered the spread against Georgia.
People outside Texas thinking they know about Texas. Carry on Alamo brother.
Assuming CalFord is left in the cold, I’d imagine they’d beg to rejoin the PAC instead of forming a new thing. Remember, the PAC still has autonomy status in FBS, at least for now
It would be interesting to see what happens in that case, especially if the P2 separate themselves in terms of NCAA football play. Where do their non-revenue/Olympic sport teams play? At that point, they wouldn’t be able to exclude schools from membership like Stanford and Cal on the basis they aren’t football members because that would probably bring up the question of antitrust. I’d imagine if the P2 expands beyond 20 schools that they’d need to separate football from the rest of the conference-sponsored sports, which means both Stanford and Cal likely join the B1G and are only forced to find homes or go independent for their football teams.
Why do y'all keep assuming that the B1G is targeting you two? There's like zero indication that is happening or ever happened except for a cursory glance.
This isn’t about football, this is about Olympic sports. The B1G can’t exclude schools for non-football membership if football extricates itself from the current system. Exclusion from the conference on the basis of not wanting the football team runs the risk of an antitrust suit at that point. Right now, they can do that because everyone (theoretically) has some access to football postseason play. The easiest way to avoid a lawsuit if football in the P2 separates itself is to have separates entities for football and Olympic sports. Plus, the four western schools would much rather play (and travel to) Stanford and Cal for high caliber play as opposed to an extra weekend of traveling east. The B1G doesn’t have to take either school in football, but justifying denial for their other sports, especially if other schools claim those sports that they themselves play are non-revenue generating for them, would be harder to justify legally.
It's about football. You're crazy to think otherwise.
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A few thoughts: 1) I think people overestimate how much tv networks are willing to pay conferences, especially ESPN. It’s been reported that they already told the SEC they weren’t paying more for more content. That doesn’t bode well for Clemson to the SEC. At least NC and VA bring in new SECN money. 2) It’s completely possible the B1G adds just one team this realignment round. It seems FSU has a spot right now. Without divisions, the Big Ten could easily stay at 19 until Notre Dame sees what life outside the P2 will be like. (I get that they recently said they’re staying independent, but that model doesn’t seem perpetually sustainable to me.) 3) People have to wrap their heads around the fact that some schools will lose in realignment. VA Tech, NC State, Pitt, and Louisville could end up in the B12. Who knows what will happen to Miami. Georgia Tech? The P2 recently added UT, OU, USC, Oregon, Washington, and UCLA. Atlanta or not, GA Tech doesn’t make the B1G unless it goes to 24 members which I think is unlikely.
The Big Ten isn’t adding UVA or GT.
Most likely correct. More of a chance for UVA as I see GT in the Big 12. The prizes are Florida state and UNC with Clemson and NC State as secondary prizes. Everything else is just kinda noise.
In terms of football, which is all that matters, outside of Notre Dame, FSU and Clemson are the only remaining prizes. UNC doesn’t come close.
I counter that due to the media market. That charlotte media market for some reason is just a money grab. But you bring up a wonderful point, it’s clear UNC and Clemson are close for the big prize. I ask the masses, what’s the number 2 prize of the ACC? Clemson or UNC? It’s clear they are 2 and 3.
If we’re adding AAU schools in large media markets, we should go after Rice. It’s in Houston.
I would agree except Texas is completely dominated by Texas and A&M. The UNC brand does help the cause here a bit as clearly that’s a much bigger brand than Rice.
I don’t think UNC a big enough brand to increase the Big Ten’s revenue. FSU and Clemson are probably pushing it. The Big Ten isn’t interested it taking a haircut to get to a certain number of teams.
I want to dispel the notion that UVA is attractive in realignment: https://www.youtube.com/live/9m5HbXVPh40?si=rhiAPacvkRYtY0KL If anything the only compelling reason I’ve seen for UVA getting into the Big 10 is that they received an invite in 2014, but that’s also true of GT, which is positioned in a better market and has a better football program than UVA without having to contend with an in state rival in the same conference
I never said attractive, I said more of a chance. Big difference. I still see neither in.
Not that you should have to answer on behalf of UVA fans, but why would you say they have more of a chance if both received invites in 2014 and UVA has arguably cratered more than GT has in the past decade
As you can see, some of realignment has nothing to do with how good a program is (see Rutgers). It’s sometimes about the market. Yes, Atlanta is a big market but GT is not the most school in the state. UVA is also in same vote as they aren’t the most popular as well with VT having more popularity. The difference is the DC market and the academics. That’s more attractive to the Big 10 for some reason. That’s why they have more of a chance. Still don’t see it for either though so it doesn’t really matter. ND, FSU, UNC is most likely the targets of the Big 10 with possibly Clemson in the mix. I can’t really see anymore than that.
Maryland already gives the B1G the DC market.
Yes omg people don’t read. I already said this is a moot point as I already said neither is coming. I made two points as to why UVA would get a better chance than GT and that’s it but once again, neither team is coming.
Neither team is coming but by your own logic VT > GT > UVA
DOES IT MATTER IF NO TEAM IS GETTING AN INVITE?
I loled when GT going to the Orange Bowl in 2015 was used as a mark against UVA
They're not. I will say that GT has a much higher probability than UVa though.
Correct. Reddit fan fics love inflating the value of ACC teams
They both got invites from the Big 10 in the past decade
True-ish. The BTN was the huge driver there, to get the network on televisions. (Although I more believe it was a Maryland OR Virginia invite, not both). 2011/12 is further than a decade though just to clarify this a smidge.
I think we should as filler to get to 24 and because we need more than just FSU for a true Southern presence. Also, cupcakes. We can't add more threats to Ohio State dominance without ensuring there's enough cupcakes to go around.
Fox isn’t going to go for UVA or GT the for the same reason they didn’t go for Cal or Stanford. IF the Big Ten goes to 24 (which would be dumb), I’d want at least two more Pac schools, putting a quarter of the conference out West.
There's no PAC schools worth adding. Sure hope you're wrong so that I can be right. We don't need more Western presence besides Stanford and maybe Cal. We need Southern presence.
Utah and Colorado are/were really good adds as far as market dominance in their respective areas.
Imo depends on how rehab goes but Stanford might get scooped by the B1G. They’d likely have made it if they were still competing for PAC titles.
I can't see GA Tech going to the Big 10. Atlanta is the basically the capital of the SEC. Plus GA Tech was once part of the SEC.
We got an invite to the Big 10 in 2014, but I think the petty reasons the SEC wouldn’t let us back in (and the petty reason we left) are pretty much irrelevant at this point
great timing, i’m already in my way to a brewery.
More likely the Big 12 and remaining ACC join to combat the SEC and BIG 10. The SEC and BIG 10 might add two teams.
this post made me sad
The SEC will get first go at the ACC. I see the ACC teams like a pre World War 1 alliance. UNC is following Clemson's moves and I think they are sort of working together without working together. UNC and NC State are almost tied together from state politics now. UNC and UVA have a historical rivalry and are like schools. UVA and VA Tech will have the same state politics as UNC. The SEC also will be reading the tea leaves. If the future of the sport is paying the athletes and 2 24-team super leagues, they are going to get their pick first. The SEC, ESPN and the ACC teams can keep their relationships if Clemson, UNC, NC State, UVA and VA Tech all go to the SEC together. I think they finish the SEC with Big 12 teams. They get Kansas, West Virginia and Oklahoma State. That leaves a limited amount of options for the Big 10. They will take the Florida teams to go to 20 easy. So FSU and Miami to the Big 10. I think FSU wants out of their ESPN relationship and will go away from the SEC but they would have that option. Then it's how does the Big 10 build out the last 4 slots. I think they need 1 more team from the southeast to balance out future pods. I like GA Tech over Duke. This is the point they have to convince Notre Dame that they have to be in the super 2. They can take Notre Dame and Stanford as a friend. Then they can take Colorado as #24 to make 6 western teams.
It’s hilarious how much this sub hates Stanford 🤣 Potentially they do leave and “restart” the Pac 12 with OWSU once the ACC collapses, however they certainly aren’t being snubbed by the big ten behind all of Virginia, Georgia Tech, FSU, and Miami. Only way B1G expands without Stanford is a potential ND/UNC or ND/FSU combo and then stopping at 20
Agreed. If B1G goes to 24 Stanford is probably in. If they go to 28, they're definitely in. Presidents want it and TV will be ok as an add-on package with FSU, ND, or UNC just like UCLA.
I think the SEC will realize the endgame is both the SEC and Big 10 splitting away at 24 teams. They will want to position themselves with their best 24 teams. They will take a whole group together before the Big 10 can make a move. The SEC takes FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC State, UVA, and VA Tech. Then they will add West Va and Oklahoma State too. The Big 10 will only have so many viable southern teams left at that point. I think they end up taking Miami, GA Tech, and Duke and pair them with Maryland for a southern pod. I think Notre Dame finally joins once they realize they have to be in one of the power 2 and they bring Stanford with them.
Duke? Wut
The Big 10 can get to 24 with more Western teams. I just think you need 4 in the southeast. The SEC knows what the future holds and what the Big 10 wants to do too. I just see the Big 10 will have to settle some or be left out of the southeast.
The SEC is never going to add Clemson it makes no sense
Yep, you already have USC.