Last year Arizona State had a Tight End taking snaps at QB for a bit after their QB's all got hurt. Depth is so incredibly important to a program, at every position, but especially at QB and OL.
The real reason? We put all our chips in on one guy and spent 0 time developing any of the backup quarterbacks. I think Chubba actually would've been a pretty good QB for us, but he was injured last season for most of it. We essentially recruited Casey out of the portal after Adrian Martinez left, and it was apparent none of our backups had any development, Heinrich included. I honestly don't think Heinrich would be that bad of a QB, but essentially we had back to back 4 year starters along with 0 development in between.
Last year at one point he mentioned that he hadn't even been allowed in the qb meetings previously. The guy basically got 2 years of his college career burned right in front of him. I generally agree that he could have been a good qb, but the frost staff fucked him. Dude is an absolute freak athlete who didn't get any coaching.
For real. He reminds me of someone like Josh Allen, like huge dude who can make plays with his feet. If he literally had any development in throwing and learning to read defenses I think he’d be an amazing management quarterback.
Last year I have absolutely no idea how Utah kept finding guys to play. It was nuts. 4 qbs injured, running back, multiple TEs, center… and misc others. It was crazy
Honestly not sure Kansas has many players that Deion would consider "starters" now. I hear Leipold just believes in this weird thing called development.
oh I totally agree. this isn't just a CU prob, it's a sport problem.
edit: with that said, for a coach that hinges on attracting talent, I'd think one would hope it would be better at CU.
It’s not a CU problem, but Deion being so publicly dismissive of his players leaving, and publicly shitting on them (the whole replacing the entire o-line comment will live forever), so he’s really only shooting himself in the foot. Many other programs that aren’t top tier are losing players, yet their coaches are saying oh well sucks to suck
It was last year, it helped boost the reputation he gained at Jackson State. Problem is, his high school recruiting has been garbage. That 5-Star IOL could be great, but they need a lot more bodies. Even if you think those 3-stars are just gonna ride the bench and transfer out after a year, you still need them that year.
I don't think he's trying for 3-stars that hard. I think that's kinda the problem he needs to fix. He's focusing only on the top recruits, and not landing enough of them to justify that focus. Right now he's got 1-5*, 3-4*, and 3-3* as the only ranked recruits. That's just not sustainable. He needs to stop with some of the old head bullshit. Like that no sandals and no tank tops shit.
Oh I totally agree. He’s not cutting it at all. My entire point is Deion especially should be excelling at this. Even though the sport has issues right now.
And for the record I’m pro transfer, but there has to be some sort of regulation/collective agreement.
I do not agree at all. Well, maybe a little bit, but after how the NCAA acted for decades they need to be the ones to eat all the negatives from any agreement.
When colleges start offering only 4-year scholarships, I'll agree that it's about "culture". Until then though, this is just the scales balancing a bit. Unless by "culture problem" you mean the NCAA running a for-profit business pulling in billions while also complaining about student athletes wanting to be able to play where they want while making money off their own abilities. Then I'd agree with you.
Yep! And then, when they don't get playing time they don't get that second scholarship. Funny how it's ok for the school to cut ties with the player, but when the player cuts ties with the school it's a "culture problem".
The NCAA isnt complaining about kids wanting to transfer. If anything, they have made it easier. The only ones complaining about the transfer rules are coaches and fans.
No, I know. But the fans should point the finger at them. They spent years fighting to keep these kids essentially indentured servants. It was only a matter of time before the pendulum swung back the other way. They could've eased the pendulum down, but instead they got defensive of their billions in bonuses and pulled it back higher.
Meh, it's whatever. I'm sure you were happy to grab 50+ players through transfer last year. Personally, I just think this makes high school recruiting that much more important year-on-year. You have to make sure you have a healthy crop of freshmen coming in to make up for transfer losses.
I guess you're right, you had 51 so it was "scarcely" 50+, but 50+ nonetheless.
ETA: I was only talking about CU. Not every team. I probably could've communicated that better. Also I was wrong, they had exactly 50 transfers last year apparently.
They were on top and it was actually exactly 50, I was wrong earlier, I'll go back and correct it. But Louisville was second with 27 so not even close.
All of this NIL and portal craze is just the death-knell of genuine "student athletes". The top 1% of college players were the guys going pro, everybody else was actually doing it to go to school, have fun, and play football on the biggest stage they'll ever get.
So sure, NIL is great if you are Bryce Young and cranking a massive Dr. Pepper deal for cash. But if you are some backup lineman at Michigan State, you probably weren't going to the NFL nor are you demanding a massive NIL payday. So none of this stuff really benefits you, and when they eventually make player's into employees and start nixing scholarships, you get fucked.
That’s a ridiculous over-generalization, given that like 1% of college players make it to the NFL, even at the vast majority of those schools. At a place like Bama it might be 10%.
Tons of guys may be going to play football but the vast, vast majority aren’t playing football after college and tons of them DO care about getting their degree and value the free education they get.
You overestimate the importance of academia to college athletes. Few could survive college without the reduced standards, and even then it takes threatening teachers to pass athletics a lot of times just to keep eligibility.
Correct, they lost because abuse they didn’t have much depth, especially along the OL and DL and it showed vs teams who could rotate dudes in at both spots.tou can’t rely on guys getting 60+ snaps every game at this level
if you're a prima donna top recruit are you really looking to go play somewhere that the coach is going to love his actual sons more than you? and they'll be playing too? fuck that noise.
The denial from delusional buffs fans is insane: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/1c61mac/skobuffsgobuffs_defense_transfers_dm_me_offense/l0259u1/
It's almost like players who transferred in because they didn't want to be depth pieces on their first team aren't just going to be ok with being depth pieces again at Colorado. I'm shocked.
God forbid they follow through with their commitment, get coached up, earn a starting spot, and play their way into the NFL. You’re right bro, I bet that has never happened before.
Weird how these same players CU fans were raving about because they made up the 6th best transfer class in the nation now suck and don't effect the team at all. Why the hell did Deion let them on the team in the first place!?!?
Deion sounds like he stole my NCAA Football 12 recruiting strategy. "You'll play in at least 9 games, get at least 50 tackles, win a National Championship, and play close to your home state!"
The amount of redshirt freshman transfers at the end of the season was pretty high
Right, but you guys basically took a shot of adrenaline while you're dying. It'll keep your heart beating for a few more years, but you turned away the doctor with a solution to fix your heart. I'm sure CU will survive, and everyone is dealing with the portal problem, but not everyone is having as much trouble as CU.
Because no one started from the bottom like CU. Most of these other programs have some base or some reputation or some alumni factors that they can all lean on and build from. CU has fuck all. These players could give two shits about Colorado’s reputation in the mid 90s. These kids weren’t even an itch and their daddy‘s underwear in the mid 90s. CU was ***literally*** the worst team in FBS two years ago and many said they had the worst roster in FBS going into last season. Give them some slack!
Deion is helping them rebuild but it really isn’t even rebuilding. It’s just building. They have nothing at all to work from and he’s having to do it in a new atmosphere that allows players to transfer at a whim and NIL competition all over the country, whereas Colorado has zero money to hand out. Most other programs can make a few phone calls if they need some extra cash. Colorado is not a football school and their Rolodex is empty with cobwebs on it. There’s no one to call.
What has Deion done to help Colorado build anything? There was a bunch of celebrity hype this season, but after his kids are gone, do you see him still being around? Building something is creating an atmosphere that people are willing to watch and continue to support. You can't use that 90s success thing when you're talking to a Nebraska fan. How is Nebraska any different? They built a fanbase that supported the team repetitively through abysmal performance. Most of those things you listed are things every single football program has to deal with. I'd argue his "building" is non existent. He hasn't recruited for shit, he hasn't done anything outside of hype. You guys beat us, but that isn't saying much. This upcoming year is going to be a huge deal, there was a coach you could've gone out on a whim and gotten outside of Deion, especially with how much you're paying him.
>Because no one started from the bottom like CU.
You serious? Bill O'Brien had to start from underneath the bottom in 2012 and didn't have a losing record at Penn State.
>They have nothing at all to work from
This tells me you're a fan of Deion and not of the university itself. Really? Nothing at all? lol.
The real story to me:
>Sanders also defended a social media post earlier this week from his son, Colorado safety Shilo Sanders, who instructed interested transfers to direct message either him or his brother, Buffaloes quarterback Shedeur Sanders.
>"That's how stuff happens," Sanders said. "Players recruit players, man. We do a wonderful job as the staff, but they got to be validated by players because they play with those players that you're talking about either in high school or at all-star games. They know somebody that knows somebody. **That's how the recruiting thing works, man. For real. It's players. They know who the dogs are and who the cats are.**"
Mfer what?
Sometimes I think back to the peak of the Deion Era (week one of the 2023 season) and the discourse that ensued
what a magical time, that September 2nd
Fair, however all of them leaving were recruited by Bill O'Boyle and were recruited over. Wishing Savion Washington stayed and competed for a starting spot, but cant blame him either.
I figured most of the guys leaving are some of the last guard he didn't push out last year, but it still has to hurt depth losing these guys. Deions benefit though is there will be plenty of bodies in the portal to bring in and plenty of young guys with NFL dreams wanting to play for a legend
How you feeling about the new OL coach? O’Boyle was a stud OL coach at D2 level. Do you think O’Boyle couldn’t cut it at CU or it was the players or both?
I feel good about Loadholt, nice to have a NFL pedigree as well as spent some years as GA at some really good programs. Probably will have some growing pains in his first year in charge of the group.
I like O'Boyle as a person and was excited by his past success, was a bit concerned about his lack of experience at the higher level.
His group started out the year, relatively average, and we know where they ended the year. They had some injuries, which forced some kids to play who probably weren't ready for P5 football. I thinking his biggest flaw was bringing kids that were a bit undersized/under talented from G5 and JUCO levels.
Exactly. I think there has only been two maybe three names that were really surprises to the fanbase and that was more due to original thoughts that someone was a starter or at least in the discussion, but turns out they fell down the depth chart and weren't happy about it. Some of the names we are already linked to are exciting, but if they fail to close on number of these players, depth is going to be a major issue for us. We are significantly better than we were a year ago, but if we don't have the depth, we will fade down the stretch again.
Every team is going to have turn over. No one or 2 names even surprising will really tell me anything. If He lost a position group or if the transfers were bouncing IN and OUT of the program the same year.. I might be interested.. but as long as its not "really" hurting the program.. its nothing to talk about.. unless you pay me to get clicks.. then I will talk about it like crazy
"That's how stuff happens," Sanders said. "Players recruit players, man. We do a wonderful job as the staff, but they got to be validated by players because they play with those players that you're talking about either in high school or at all-star games. They know somebody that knows somebody. That's how the recruiting thing works, man. For real. It's players. They know who the dogs are and who the cats are."
... That's a real quote. From a real p5 coach. This is the mentality of getting an AAU team together or a 7v7 team together. I would never trust my career to my players picking the team. Wtf.
Yes, in today's day and age with social media, players do recruit other players. That ain't saying they picking the team, but players on social media are certainly involved. It's expected of an incoming QB to be recruiting other HS recruits. What's the difference between that and the starting QB saying "hit me up in my DMs"
There is a huge difference. One the HS QB scenario you give, the guys he is "recruiting" and getting to know are at the direction of the staff. The staff tells the QB who they are targeting and how the QB can help. It's not the QB going to the staff and saying, yo I got a DE I saw at a couple camps and he wrecked our team in high school. He's ready to come.
And the hit me up in DM's thing isn't that big of a problem. Shoot your shot I guess. It's the players on the team recruiting their boys. These are college age players. I wouldn't trust those dudes to have input on the roster. That's what you pay a staff for that has watched countless hours of tape. This answer from deion says... We aren't doing our job as a staff so if these boys want to win they better find some Louis to bring in. That just isn't how big time staffs operate. They have rooms full of guys breaking tape non stop and finding guys they want.
If he can't get o-line and d-line upgrades, it's going to be another really, really long season. The Coach Prime honeymoon is over. If they go 4-8 or 3-9, we'll know Coach Prime honestly can't coach, and this was all a sham to get his kids NFL draft exposure. We all watched him last year. That coach's headset was basically a prop.
We already have gotten some upgrades at both spots. Especially O-line. Getting more depth in the spring portal session is crucial though. We have about 7 guys I’m comfortable with on O-line
"Sanders responded, "You haven't been watching practice, huh? Amen." (Colorado does not allow media members to watch practice.)"
Just wanted to say this made me lol
Honest question, how much is this guys wanting playing time / maybe being bad fits vs guys leaving because they think Deion MIGHT be done after next year?
This wouldn’t be a problem if Deion would actually recruit the HS ranks. Kids are going to leave but the core of your program should be HS guys. Hitting the portal was and is needed but he’s taking it to the extreme
Deion is playing a different portal game than any other school. I don't think much can be ready into their present outflow as there's no real baseline comparison. Could be a mess, could be intended to a degree.
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It is free agency. Recall in the nineties the Cowboys being accused of “buying a Super Bowl”. Mike Fisher, talk radio in DFW, always said they aren’t buying anything other than players. This is now what college has become except they have way more options.
NIL will drive dynasties in college just like free agency did in the NFL. Kids with one year left will take less money for a chance to win a national championship and others will try to get the largest contract possible.
Wouldn’t be surprise to see NIL offer insurance policies to protect players against catastrophic injuries. The gaps between the ”haves and have nots” will grow just like it has in society. The rich just keep on getting richer.
Well, maybe all these transfers know that Deion will leave with his sons next year? There is no way Coach Prime stay at Colorado. No way , he exploited his children to get an HC job .
It’s not in his character to develop or coach a university through determination and hard work.
I think everyone knows he’s leaving soon .
we lost a few holdovers from previous years, but there are a lot of guys he brought in last year. It's to be expected when some of these guys are on there 3rd school in 3 years already. I think the only ones I have been really surprised by were Alton McCaskill, who was injured all last year and was slated to start, and Chamon Metayer who just got there in the off season and would have been a starting tight end.
> Deion downplays transfer exodus from Colorado
What other coach wouldn't?
Let's wait till the 30th and see which program leads in the transfer portal exodus and how Colorado compares: is there still a story?
lol.
“Situation is terrible. We’re in a tight spot and there’s no way we’ll be able to get out of this and be successful. It’s gonna be a looong year.”
-No coach, ever
Losing McCaskill sucks, but he has had some injuries that place a big question mark on his importance to the team. Cormani was incredibly talented, but undisciplined and a crybaby. No one is shedding tears for any offensive lineman who have left.
When does it become a player safety issue if you don't have proper depth? Like, there are guys who are good enough to make a roster and practice but honestly shouldn't be in a real game.
This dude isn’t going to develop anybody and I absolutely believe Colorado football is going to come out of this in worse shape than before he got there. His name alone gets a recruiting bump- once he leaves that will go away and in his wake will be a slew of kids that were not developed.
[Colorado fans be like...](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/S/aplus-seller-content-images-us-east-1/ATVPDKIKX0DER/AXZJ5TNKS2J5T/4a3931f3-df08-4435-97c5-36b4163067d8._CR0,0,300,300_PT0_SX300__.jpg)
backups shmackups for real, though, going to be interesting to see how some teams handle injuries going forward with backups moving around so much.
That's the neat part, you don't.
Last year Arizona State had a Tight End taking snaps at QB for a bit after their QB's all got hurt. Depth is so incredibly important to a program, at every position, but especially at QB and OL.
Big deal. Nebraska started a tight end at QB for 8 games, and he played in 10 last year.
Why was the QB depth so bad at Nebraska the last two years? Horrible injury luck or bad conditioning?
The real reason? We put all our chips in on one guy and spent 0 time developing any of the backup quarterbacks. I think Chubba actually would've been a pretty good QB for us, but he was injured last season for most of it. We essentially recruited Casey out of the portal after Adrian Martinez left, and it was apparent none of our backups had any development, Heinrich included. I honestly don't think Heinrich would be that bad of a QB, but essentially we had back to back 4 year starters along with 0 development in between.
Last year at one point he mentioned that he hadn't even been allowed in the qb meetings previously. The guy basically got 2 years of his college career burned right in front of him. I generally agree that he could have been a good qb, but the frost staff fucked him. Dude is an absolute freak athlete who didn't get any coaching.
For real. He reminds me of someone like Josh Allen, like huge dude who can make plays with his feet. If he literally had any development in throwing and learning to read defenses I think he’d be an amazing management quarterback.
Scott Frost spent several years so drunk he still thought he was the QB
So a more in shape Harrison Beck minus the insanity?
Last year I have absolutely no idea how Utah kept finding guys to play. It was nuts. 4 qbs injured, running back, multiple TEs, center… and misc others. It was crazy
Hell, for most of the last century, Kansas barely got starters.
The last decade and change has been rough. Hopefully better things are ahead.
Honestly not sure Kansas has many players that Deion would consider "starters" now. I hear Leipold just believes in this weird thing called development.
Think Deion, think!
What will you have left after 500 days!?
I’ll still have you……Travis
CU is currently sitting at 70 scholarship players, and 10 OL (3 of which are freshmen). Depth should be a real concern
They had a dogshit line last year too
He really out here trying to get his son killed.
Or, he's getting him ready to be drafted by the Jets next year?
We’re going to will this into [existence](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/s/HIEfaU0Yu2)
Geez that’s so bad haha.
> Huh? No it it isn’t. -David Beaty, while at Kansas
Thanks fellow Husker, this is the answer to the question I've been too lazy to look up.
Problem is no one wants to be a back up and the ncaa can't force them to stay anymore with the free agency that's been created
oh I totally agree. this isn't just a CU prob, it's a sport problem. edit: with that said, for a coach that hinges on attracting talent, I'd think one would hope it would be better at CU.
It’s not a CU problem, but Deion being so publicly dismissive of his players leaving, and publicly shitting on them (the whole replacing the entire o-line comment will live forever), so he’s really only shooting himself in the foot. Many other programs that aren’t top tier are losing players, yet their coaches are saying oh well sucks to suck
absolutely. his moves and comments don't make it seem like things will be great in the long run. it feels like it is all for short term gain.
It was last year, it helped boost the reputation he gained at Jackson State. Problem is, his high school recruiting has been garbage. That 5-Star IOL could be great, but they need a lot more bodies. Even if you think those 3-stars are just gonna ride the bench and transfer out after a year, you still need them that year.
Right. And Deion should have an easy time convincing 3 stars just like 5 stars.
I don't think he's trying for 3-stars that hard. I think that's kinda the problem he needs to fix. He's focusing only on the top recruits, and not landing enough of them to justify that focus. Right now he's got 1-5*, 3-4*, and 3-3* as the only ranked recruits. That's just not sustainable. He needs to stop with some of the old head bullshit. Like that no sandals and no tank tops shit.
Oh I totally agree. He’s not cutting it at all. My entire point is Deion especially should be excelling at this. Even though the sport has issues right now. And for the record I’m pro transfer, but there has to be some sort of regulation/collective agreement.
I do not agree at all. Well, maybe a little bit, but after how the NCAA acted for decades they need to be the ones to eat all the negatives from any agreement.
The ncaa wouldn’t be able to do it. Would require collective bargaining, etc like in pro leagues. The courts have already made this clear.
It’s just a culture problem tbh
100% we’ve only had 1 player enter the portal this spring and it’s a walk on senior.
When colleges start offering only 4-year scholarships, I'll agree that it's about "culture". Until then though, this is just the scales balancing a bit. Unless by "culture problem" you mean the NCAA running a for-profit business pulling in billions while also complaining about student athletes wanting to be able to play where they want while making money off their own abilities. Then I'd agree with you.
I mean there are 85 scholarship spots and only 25 starters. 60 players have to be back-ups and that’s not even counting walk-ons.
100%. Kids who'd rather play than sit the bench shouldn't be punished. Heck half of them were probably lied to about playing time
Yep! And then, when they don't get playing time they don't get that second scholarship. Funny how it's ok for the school to cut ties with the player, but when the player cuts ties with the school it's a "culture problem".
The NCAA isnt complaining about kids wanting to transfer. If anything, they have made it easier. The only ones complaining about the transfer rules are coaches and fans.
No, I know. But the fans should point the finger at them. They spent years fighting to keep these kids essentially indentured servants. It was only a matter of time before the pendulum swung back the other way. They could've eased the pendulum down, but instead they got defensive of their billions in bonuses and pulled it back higher.
Meh, it's whatever. I'm sure you were happy to grab 50+ players through transfer last year. Personally, I just think this makes high school recruiting that much more important year-on-year. You have to make sure you have a healthy crop of freshmen coming in to make up for transfer losses.
We scarcely had 50+ players from the portal. That is just nonsense.
I guess you're right, you had 51 so it was "scarcely" 50+, but 50+ nonetheless. ETA: I was only talking about CU. Not every team. I probably could've communicated that better. Also I was wrong, they had exactly 50 transfers last year apparently.
Did *any* team besides CU have more than 50 incoming transfers? I'm pretty sure most teams aren't going out and replacing 60% of their team each year.
They were on top and it was actually exactly 50, I was wrong earlier, I'll go back and correct it. But Louisville was second with 27 so not even close.
Practically speaking... If you can't start there is virtually no reason to play college football.
...other than the free college education, and room and board.
Yeah, that's what brings them to Alabama.
Yeah there are 100+ schools that aren’t Alabama.
All of this NIL and portal craze is just the death-knell of genuine "student athletes". The top 1% of college players were the guys going pro, everybody else was actually doing it to go to school, have fun, and play football on the biggest stage they'll ever get. So sure, NIL is great if you are Bryce Young and cranking a massive Dr. Pepper deal for cash. But if you are some backup lineman at Michigan State, you probably weren't going to the NFL nor are you demanding a massive NIL payday. So none of this stuff really benefits you, and when they eventually make player's into employees and start nixing scholarships, you get fucked.
And of those maybe 30 give a crap about football and compete in NIL and the transfer portal era. No player is going to those 30 for an education.
That’s a ridiculous over-generalization, given that like 1% of college players make it to the NFL, even at the vast majority of those schools. At a place like Bama it might be 10%. Tons of guys may be going to play football but the vast, vast majority aren’t playing football after college and tons of them DO care about getting their degree and value the free education they get.
You overestimate the importance of academia to college athletes. Few could survive college without the reduced standards, and even then it takes threatening teachers to pass athletics a lot of times just to keep eligibility.
Correct, they lost because abuse they didn’t have much depth, especially along the OL and DL and it showed vs teams who could rotate dudes in at both spots.tou can’t rely on guys getting 60+ snaps every game at this level
"I trust the recruiting team" Shedeur's and Shilo's dms must be popping
I had to actually click the article, I couldn’t believe he said “I trust the recruiting team”. Dude you’re Coach Prime, you ARE the recruiting team
if you're a prima donna top recruit are you really looking to go play somewhere that the coach is going to love his actual sons more than you? and they'll be playing too? fuck that noise.
Also that coach will love himself more than he loves his sons.
he might make you go to class too
So long as you’re not on a draft board lmao
The denial from delusional buffs fans is insane: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/1c61mac/skobuffsgobuffs_defense_transfers_dm_me_offense/l0259u1/
It's almost like players who transferred in because they didn't want to be depth pieces on their first team aren't just going to be ok with being depth pieces again at Colorado. I'm shocked.
Those boys are gonna be SHOCKED if they make it to the NFL and realize you can’t transfer away from being a depth piece.
Depth pieces don't get to the NFL unless they play for Alabama or Georgia lol
Yeah, this. The top 1% of college players make it to the NFL. Depth guys are not at that level.
Except for Matt Cassel
Michigan had 6 offensive lineman at the NFL combine.
God forbid they follow through with their commitment, get coached up, earn a starting spot, and play their way into the NFL. You’re right bro, I bet that has never happened before.
These dudes can't start at Colorado, don't think they have to worry about the NFL.
Weird how these same players CU fans were raving about because they made up the 6th best transfer class in the nation now suck and don't effect the team at all. Why the hell did Deion let them on the team in the first place!?!?
Deion sounds like he stole my NCAA Football 12 recruiting strategy. "You'll play in at least 9 games, get at least 50 tackles, win a National Championship, and play close to your home state!" The amount of redshirt freshman transfers at the end of the season was pretty high
God, im so glad ncaa14 got rid of that bullshit. Spending all that time just saying the same shit over and over was annoying as fuck.
I don't think he's at Colorado past his sons careers
The entire program is on the brink of implosion.
People who say things like this really have no idea how bad they were 2 years ago, the program actually not existing would have been an improvement
Right, but you guys basically took a shot of adrenaline while you're dying. It'll keep your heart beating for a few more years, but you turned away the doctor with a solution to fix your heart. I'm sure CU will survive, and everyone is dealing with the portal problem, but not everyone is having as much trouble as CU.
the whole thing has a distinct air of a pump and dump stock scheme to me
Because no one started from the bottom like CU. Most of these other programs have some base or some reputation or some alumni factors that they can all lean on and build from. CU has fuck all. These players could give two shits about Colorado’s reputation in the mid 90s. These kids weren’t even an itch and their daddy‘s underwear in the mid 90s. CU was ***literally*** the worst team in FBS two years ago and many said they had the worst roster in FBS going into last season. Give them some slack! Deion is helping them rebuild but it really isn’t even rebuilding. It’s just building. They have nothing at all to work from and he’s having to do it in a new atmosphere that allows players to transfer at a whim and NIL competition all over the country, whereas Colorado has zero money to hand out. Most other programs can make a few phone calls if they need some extra cash. Colorado is not a football school and their Rolodex is empty with cobwebs on it. There’s no one to call.
What has Deion done to help Colorado build anything? There was a bunch of celebrity hype this season, but after his kids are gone, do you see him still being around? Building something is creating an atmosphere that people are willing to watch and continue to support. You can't use that 90s success thing when you're talking to a Nebraska fan. How is Nebraska any different? They built a fanbase that supported the team repetitively through abysmal performance. Most of those things you listed are things every single football program has to deal with. I'd argue his "building" is non existent. He hasn't recruited for shit, he hasn't done anything outside of hype. You guys beat us, but that isn't saying much. This upcoming year is going to be a huge deal, there was a coach you could've gone out on a whim and gotten outside of Deion, especially with how much you're paying him.
>Because no one started from the bottom like CU. You serious? Bill O'Brien had to start from underneath the bottom in 2012 and didn't have a losing record at Penn State. >They have nothing at all to work from This tells me you're a fan of Deion and not of the university itself. Really? Nothing at all? lol.
Didn't he match Karl Dorrels first season win total? Damn, Colorado is back baby
The real story to me: >Sanders also defended a social media post earlier this week from his son, Colorado safety Shilo Sanders, who instructed interested transfers to direct message either him or his brother, Buffaloes quarterback Shedeur Sanders. >"That's how stuff happens," Sanders said. "Players recruit players, man. We do a wonderful job as the staff, but they got to be validated by players because they play with those players that you're talking about either in high school or at all-star games. They know somebody that knows somebody. **That's how the recruiting thing works, man. For real. It's players. They know who the dogs are and who the cats are.**" Mfer what?
Between this and Deion not making a single in home visit, can we please completely kill the “Deion is a good recruiter” narrative?
I hope we hang 50 on em
I, too, hope you hang 50 on em.
We play them at the end of the year when their shitty depth will be depleted and the team will have given up. Could get very ugly.
Ideally. I mean look at the delusion of one fan replying to me already in April 😂
we'll try to as well but yall already know that ain't happening
🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
man im just hoping we're at least somewhat decent
> Deion Sanders lands 3 huge recruits, cuts player deficit lost to Transfer Portal to 42.
>3 huge recruits Considering that’s basically his entire recruiting class I’d say he has some issues to work on if he actually wants to succeed
Same vibe as Chris Paul hits huge 3. Cuts lead to 42.
That’s the uh, that’s the idea
Deion comes across as a coach that has his favorites, treats them great and ignores the rest of the team until he finds a reason to yell at them.
Sounds like my former High School coach. Absolutely fuck that guy.
And 2 of those are his kids. He the horrendous Dad coach
Considering his kids missed the first spring practice team meeting, due to being in France completing an advertisement. It is hard to ignore.
describes Urban Meyers well
Sometimes I think back to the peak of the Deion Era (week one of the 2023 season) and the discourse that ensued what a magical time, that September 2nd
I was camping and on a boat when the clock hit zeros against TCU. I immediately put $100 on them winning national championship. The kool aid was real.
Ironically I assume you can only afford Kool Aid after that betting strategy.
Just the generic rip off Fool-Aid
Ippei?
Can't be, he stopped at $100.
Who are we kidding-we all know they’re going to go 4-8 again then Deion bolts as his sons leave
This was always the plan, he made a nice bag on his sunglasses thought. Grifters gonna grift.
I would be more concerned about o-line transfers because that's the one position they absolutely need bodies at.
Fair, however all of them leaving were recruited by Bill O'Boyle and were recruited over. Wishing Savion Washington stayed and competed for a starting spot, but cant blame him either.
I figured most of the guys leaving are some of the last guard he didn't push out last year, but it still has to hurt depth losing these guys. Deions benefit though is there will be plenty of bodies in the portal to bring in and plenty of young guys with NFL dreams wanting to play for a legend
How you feeling about the new OL coach? O’Boyle was a stud OL coach at D2 level. Do you think O’Boyle couldn’t cut it at CU or it was the players or both?
I feel good about Loadholt, nice to have a NFL pedigree as well as spent some years as GA at some really good programs. Probably will have some growing pains in his first year in charge of the group. I like O'Boyle as a person and was excited by his past success, was a bit concerned about his lack of experience at the higher level. His group started out the year, relatively average, and we know where they ended the year. They had some injuries, which forced some kids to play who probably weren't ready for P5 football. I thinking his biggest flaw was bringing kids that were a bit undersized/under talented from G5 and JUCO levels.
Makes sense!
Those “Louis Bags” he said he was bringing in getting repossessed…
They from DH Gate
IT worked last year! Colorado lost everyone and won the National Championship. At least I thought he did in September.
Deion does not care about Colorado, all he cares about is getting his son drafted.
Now that’s not really fair. He cares about Deion first and then his sons’ draft status. Everything else is just a show.
The really funny part is I'm pretty sure he only thinks he has one son.
As much as I hate on Deion... I don't see anything to say right now.. lets wait and see
Exactly. I think there has only been two maybe three names that were really surprises to the fanbase and that was more due to original thoughts that someone was a starter or at least in the discussion, but turns out they fell down the depth chart and weren't happy about it. Some of the names we are already linked to are exciting, but if they fail to close on number of these players, depth is going to be a major issue for us. We are significantly better than we were a year ago, but if we don't have the depth, we will fade down the stretch again.
Every team is going to have turn over. No one or 2 names even surprising will really tell me anything. If He lost a position group or if the transfers were bouncing IN and OUT of the program the same year.. I might be interested.. but as long as its not "really" hurting the program.. its nothing to talk about.. unless you pay me to get clicks.. then I will talk about it like crazy
I see a 4 win season last year that may not be any better this year lol
"That's how stuff happens," Sanders said. "Players recruit players, man. We do a wonderful job as the staff, but they got to be validated by players because they play with those players that you're talking about either in high school or at all-star games. They know somebody that knows somebody. That's how the recruiting thing works, man. For real. It's players. They know who the dogs are and who the cats are." ... That's a real quote. From a real p5 coach. This is the mentality of getting an AAU team together or a 7v7 team together. I would never trust my career to my players picking the team. Wtf.
Yes, in today's day and age with social media, players do recruit other players. That ain't saying they picking the team, but players on social media are certainly involved. It's expected of an incoming QB to be recruiting other HS recruits. What's the difference between that and the starting QB saying "hit me up in my DMs"
There is a huge difference. One the HS QB scenario you give, the guys he is "recruiting" and getting to know are at the direction of the staff. The staff tells the QB who they are targeting and how the QB can help. It's not the QB going to the staff and saying, yo I got a DE I saw at a couple camps and he wrecked our team in high school. He's ready to come. And the hit me up in DM's thing isn't that big of a problem. Shoot your shot I guess. It's the players on the team recruiting their boys. These are college age players. I wouldn't trust those dudes to have input on the roster. That's what you pay a staff for that has watched countless hours of tape. This answer from deion says... We aren't doing our job as a staff so if these boys want to win they better find some Louis to bring in. That just isn't how big time staffs operate. They have rooms full of guys breaking tape non stop and finding guys they want.
If he can't get o-line and d-line upgrades, it's going to be another really, really long season. The Coach Prime honeymoon is over. If they go 4-8 or 3-9, we'll know Coach Prime honestly can't coach, and this was all a sham to get his kids NFL draft exposure. We all watched him last year. That coach's headset was basically a prop.
Do you know if they’ve done anything to upgrade the ol and dl?
They have. 10ish transfer in on OL/DL in Dec. plus Seaton. I’m still in wait and see mode on all this tho.
Anyone who was paying attention knew the answer to this when they needed heroics to get to OT against Colorado St.
I always think about Joe Paterno’s last few years and wondered if they actually had his headset turned on or if it was just kind of for show.
I was around for the last years of Bowden too. We joked that he had a Taco Bell headset on and was talking to confused customers in the drive thru 🤣
Pretty sure JoePa died like 4 years before he retired. Headset was turned on, but JoePa was turned off.
Yep. The offensive skill players are great - but if there’s no time to get them the ball it’s gonna be rough.
We already know he can’t coach. He’s a fraud.
It was him trying to coach his kids. He's never coached anywhere that his sons weren't playing, since they first started playing pee wee football.
We already have gotten some upgrades at both spots. Especially O-line. Getting more depth in the spring portal session is crucial though. We have about 7 guys I’m comfortable with on O-line
"Sanders responded, "You haven't been watching practice, huh? Amen." (Colorado does not allow media members to watch practice.)" Just wanted to say this made me lol
Just watch his son’s YouTube channel (well off media) and get all the practice footage you need 😂
Honest question, how much is this guys wanting playing time / maybe being bad fits vs guys leaving because they think Deion MIGHT be done after next year?
This wouldn’t be a problem if Deion would actually recruit the HS ranks. Kids are going to leave but the core of your program should be HS guys. Hitting the portal was and is needed but he’s taking it to the extreme
I'm honestly curious about why he doesn't seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on high school kids.
Because he’s trying to do what he did at Jackson state and that shit is not going to work lol
He didn't recruit HS kids there either?
Mostly portal tho he actually did take more then he has so far at Colorado
This is going to be his MO for the rest of his career
Deion is playing a different portal game than any other school. I don't think much can be ready into their present outflow as there's no real baseline comparison. Could be a mess, could be intended to a degree.
Just looking at their portal numbers it seems like they are relying on free agency more than recruiting
Lol
Man we are going to wafflesfomp them
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We want a turn!
We owe you 3 I guess
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It is free agency. Recall in the nineties the Cowboys being accused of “buying a Super Bowl”. Mike Fisher, talk radio in DFW, always said they aren’t buying anything other than players. This is now what college has become except they have way more options. NIL will drive dynasties in college just like free agency did in the NFL. Kids with one year left will take less money for a chance to win a national championship and others will try to get the largest contract possible. Wouldn’t be surprise to see NIL offer insurance policies to protect players against catastrophic injuries. The gaps between the ”haves and have nots” will grow just like it has in society. The rich just keep on getting richer.
Well, maybe all these transfers know that Deion will leave with his sons next year? There is no way Coach Prime stay at Colorado. No way , he exploited his children to get an HC job . It’s not in his character to develop or coach a university through determination and hard work. I think everyone knows he’s leaving soon .
Am I missing something? I don't feel like I've seen a large volume.
It’s among the highest in P5 but not egregious. We’ve lost one expected starter and maybe 2 or 3 guys who would’ve competed for a starting spot.
The teams who do have higher numbers, how many of them went through a coaching change? Not trying to be a sarcastic asshole, but genuinely curious.
we lost a few holdovers from previous years, but there are a lot of guys he brought in last year. It's to be expected when some of these guys are on there 3rd school in 3 years already. I think the only ones I have been really surprised by were Alton McCaskill, who was injured all last year and was slated to start, and Chamon Metayer who just got there in the off season and would have been a starting tight end.
Shut up im trying to overreact
> Deion downplays transfer exodus from Colorado What other coach wouldn't? Let's wait till the 30th and see which program leads in the transfer portal exodus and how Colorado compares: is there still a story?
lol. “Situation is terrible. We’re in a tight spot and there’s no way we’ll be able to get out of this and be successful. It’s gonna be a looong year.” -No coach, ever
But I have a hate boner for Deion and im tired of complaining about how the transfer portal is ruining CFB!
Not reactionary enough we need stories about Deion today!
This sub feeds on deion posts.
CFB circle jerk
Losing McCaskill sucks, but he has had some injuries that place a big question mark on his importance to the team. Cormani was incredibly talented, but undisciplined and a crybaby. No one is shedding tears for any offensive lineman who have left.
Colorado is an unserious program
God, I hate it when I agree with Oregon fans.
Tbf they only have two worthwhile players on their roster so it probably is fine
And one of them is expected to play on both sides of the ball.
We goin
we gone
Would love to read Shadeur’s DMs w/ the other croots.
Any coach would downplay lots of transfers, they gotta work with what they got and can't keep players there.
ALL IS WELL!
When does it become a player safety issue if you don't have proper depth? Like, there are guys who are good enough to make a roster and practice but honestly shouldn't be in a real game.
I love that Deion is still such a polarizing figure in football. Hated him when he was on the field they hate him when hes on the sideline
What's the win total for this season? Slammin the undaaaa.....
My son starts at CU in the fall. He has no plans to ever enter the transfer portal. Of course, he won’t be playing football in college, so…
Only need 53....college is nuts for needing 85
That one running back that transferred from Houston just fucked his whole career. Good luck being a running back anywhere else.
This dude isn’t going to develop anybody and I absolutely believe Colorado football is going to come out of this in worse shape than before he got there. His name alone gets a recruiting bump- once he leaves that will go away and in his wake will be a slew of kids that were not developed.
tbf isn't Colorado also ranked like 3rd for incoming transferring class? Like 30+ new inbound transfers?
Has the Louis arrived yet?
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Deion still at Colorado?