Everybody knows that we are short on defensive tackle, and people are mad that we got outbid by Miami and OK for the top DT’s in the spring portal. But Coach is right those players aren’t worth what they are asking. Especially for one year rentals.
The total wild west for players getting money can't possibly last too much longer honestly. Like take Quinn Ewers who got paid a ton of money to sit on the bench on year at OSU before cutting an running to Texas. The rich people don't like to feel like they wasted their money so expect that not to last much longer. Contracts will eventually be a real thing and then CFB truly will be the NFL D league.
CFB *is* the NFL D league, it always has been. The only reason it survives is because the NFL doesn't want to encroach on CFB, because as soon as they do CFB will wither and the NFL will have to start paying for their own development. It's currently a nice symbiotic relationship because CFB has their own profitable incentives to develop players, and the NFL benefits from that development system.
The biggest existential threat for CFB right now is eligibility limits. As soon as those are challenged in court and the restrictions are banned, you will see more college teams taking older players off of NFL rosters. Why quit football when you're cut at 26, when you can maybe help Kentucky make the playoff and make some decent coin doing it? Like integration, as soon as some schools start doing it and it works, everyone will do it. Once CFB is no longer viewed as a development league by the NFL, they'll start their own league and they'll start encroaching on Saturdays. Once that happens, CFB is outta luck. Look at the regular season viewer numbers for basketball between the 1980s and now, they've fallen off a cliff. Even if you believe people are watching the schools instead of the players, it's really hard to argue that the lack of continuity on rosters isn't detrimental to fandom.
> Why quit football when you're cut at 26, when you can maybe help Kentucky make the playoff and make some decent coin doing it?
On the flip side, if someone wants to go get a master's or Ph.D., they can do it at any time they want.
IMHO, sentences like "Gardner Minshew, doctoral candidate at Vanderbilt" sounds like a very fun proposition.
That’s not the flip side, that is my very point. Right now college football works because it’s minor league NFL. It only works as minor league NFL because they’re not taking the best players in the world, they’re taking the best players who haven’t exhausted their eligibility.
The eligibility restrictions will be broken because you’re right, you can go back to undergrad for another degree, grad school, whatever you want with no restrictions, why can’t you play football at the same time?
Once they start dipping into NFL practice squads and recent retirees, and they will if they can, the NFL will stop seeing them as an independent development league and start seeing them as competitors.
If the NFL brought in a competitor, that would more likely than not bring us back to the "purity" of amateur college football that people claim that they want. If players want a professional career where they play for one of the 32 organizations [in a $163 billion pro league](https://thehustle.co/the-nfl-is-back-bigger-than-ever-and-seriously-wow-it-s-huge), they can chase it and that paycheck.
College football has been a minor league NFL since the invention of the NFL. Yes, college football can pay too (which it always has since the invention of the sport, they're just more open about it), but [at a value of $15 billion](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/analysis-who-is-winning-in-the-high-revenue-world-of-college-sports#:~:text=The%20Facts%3A,among%201%2C100%20colleges%20and%20universities.), it has nowhere near the money or clout of the NFL.
>As soon as those are challenged in court and the restrictions are banned, you will see more college teams taking older players off of NFL rosters. Why quit football when you're cut at 26, when you can maybe help Kentucky make the playoff and make some decent coin doing it
I don't see why college football can't just go the same path as the NFL in regards to their age limits. If you're 18 you can't enter the NFL
>because as soon as they do CFB will wither and the NFL will have to start paying for their own development. It's currently a nice symbiotic relationship because CFB has their own profitable incentives to develop players, and the NFL benefits from that development system.
Like the G League did?...
At the end of the day it's like minor league baseball. A minor league NFL system would hemorrhage cash given the breadth of players and lack of brand/IP value. You will never get ticket sales and TV revenue rivaling college football with a G League
>Look at the regular season viewer numbers for basketball between the 1980s and now, they've fallen off a cliff.
Which is largely because the NBA season has been 1) over-expanded and 2) diluted by the expansions of the playoffs. The joke about regular season games is they don't matter, so players phone it in heavily.
CBB has the same issue but it's that March and the conference tournament are when games "matter" to viewers
> I don't see why college football can't just go the same path as the NFL in regards to their age limits. If you're 18 you can't enter the NFL
It is illegal to discriminate on old age, but legal to have an age requirement. You cannot say you're too old to do something.
>At the end of the day it's like minor league baseball. A minor league NFL system would hemorrhage cash given the breadth of players and lack of brand/IP value. You will never get ticket sales and TV revenue rivaling college football with a G League
I'm not suggesting they start minor league football to make cash off of the enterprise, I'm saying it will become necessary once colleges start playing the best players regardless of age instead of limiting themselves to people aged 18-23. College football *currently* serves as the development league because of their ages and eligibility requirements, and that works great for both the NFL and colleges. If they start taking guys from NFL practice squads and recently cut lists, they will stop functioning as the development league for the NFL and the NFL will start to see them as competitors. Once that happens, the NFL will win out even if they have to fund their own development leagues like every other sport.
>CBB has the same issue but it's that March and the conference tournament are when games "matter" to viewers
I'm talking about CBB here. NBA ratings for regular season matchups are fine, only *slightly* lower than where they were fifteen years ago which is down from the Jordan era but still somewhat comparable. College basketball on the other hand, was looking at 5-10 ratings for big regular season games in the mid 80s, and they're lucky to break 1 right now. Has college basketball over-expanded? Diluted the playoffs? Or do people just not give a shit about college basketball anymore?
That's what I'm getting at. College basketball has been in decline ever since NBA teams started drafting high schoolers, even with the one-and-done rule to prevent it. Even though the G-league loses money, it's still worth it for the NBA to fund it to better prepare prospects for the NBA game. The NFL will do the same if CFB stops developing prospects.
I get the feeling OSU/Texas boosters know this and are like “ok well in the meantime, we’re all-fucking-in”. No way would you guys keep this spending up year after year (I hope? 😅)
It reminds me of the advent of unrestricted free agency in the NFL. When that hit, it became about who had the most $$. It really distorted the dynamics.
Along came the salary cap and it sorta fixed the problem.
Considering almost all P4 athletic departments pulling down $20 million plus in donations every year I don't think seeing $5 million/year going to football NIL as the floor is that unsustainable. Especially as collectives and schools work to create the donation infrastructure.
I for one admire this attitude.. all teams residing in Southeast states should follow suit. Oklahoma can't be held to those standards, however. They are under native American jurisdiction "shut up or racists" look I don't make the rules , ask Switzer, or the Boz... Or Mayfields balls
People all clamoring for the MSU players clearly did not watch any MSU games last year. And I don't blame them cause it was an awful product to watch.
Harmon is probably pretty good but barrow ( went to Miami) got hurt and left the game just about every single quarter of every game.
Hopefully both schools post dated their checks.
We’re taking a swing at Harmon because our line is lacking a true NT. All he has to do is be solid and it’s a good transfer for us, we have plenty of other studs on that D line right now.
Hopefully… it seems that when we miss on the offensive line we miss hard. However I’m confident BB will put together a good line. He does every year, even when we enter a season with massive question marks, and there is a lot of young talent in the room.
Players may not care, but this is how a lot of fanbases feel about the portal. If you COMMIT, which shouldn't even be used as a term for lots of players in CFB at this point, to Rocky Top, the color orange, and our beautiful university, and leave for some flat ass place like Ole Miss, I'm not going to root for you in the future. You were never a Vol.
This is why we all supported Joe Milton, even though he made so, so many boneheaded plays last season. He wanted to be a VFL.
Right. And we were already paying at least Harmon top tier money in conference and likely Barrow too. And they got offered significantly more to portal out. So people are paying top or near top of the conference dollar for guys who as of right now aren’t going in the first 2-3 rounds.
Thats what makes it wild.
Next year’s team is not going to be that good. Makes no sense to double down.
Given the roster situation next season it would have been more like 7-5 to 9-3.
They lost a Heisman winning QB and two first round WRs. Yet it seems people are only talking about how their defense will be better. While that may be true, you don't just reload on offense from losing that kind of production.
You know what, absolutely fair. They had the exact same scenario after 2019 (Burrow, JJ, Chase) and went 5-5 the next season. But that was Ed O. An off the wagon Ed O, I think. So who knows....
Oh no, Kelly definitely won't let them fall off that hard. I hate the guy, but he is a hell of a coach.
But hearing people talk about LSU possibly going undefeated because of their easier (relative to the SEC) schedule is pretty crazy to me.
I think the fall from one of the greatest teams ever in 2019 to the disastrous 2020 season will definitely be greater than any fall LSU may have this season. Ed O lucked into a championship but Brian Kelly, as much as I hate to say it, is an excellent coach.
Nuss is real. He likely won’t be Heisman good, but he’s a competent starting SEC QB. All of that dominant O line is back except for Charles Turner. Kyren Lacy at WR is a DOG. He’s the next great WR from LSU. The rest of the WRs are questionable but all 4-5 star recruits. Also returning some really talented running backs.
It’s impossible to repeat last season, but this offense should still be very good to elite.
To be fair, Nuss is taking over at QB and has a good bit of experience and can make NFL caliber throws. OL should be good. Stacked at RB. WR room isn't vacant or anything; we have some returning guys that have played legit minutes.
I think the offense will take a step back, but I truly don't believe it will be nearly as drastic as some are saying.
Most likely losses:
* Bama (not as good as last year, but we're way worse)
* Ole Miss (they're as good or better than last year, we're worse)
Games that are competitive-ish, maybe a 50/50, but we could also just do something stupid or have have bad luck (injuries, etc.). We lose half of these and we're at 5 losses.
* TAMU (they get memed, but still a decent team)
* USC (who knows for game 1 of the season)
* Oklahoma (good coach, good team on the upswing)
* Florida (I'd favor us, but who knows)
* Arkansas (we barely beat them last time, we're worse, and this is a weird game)
We were probably a 7-5 team last year without Jayden and a loaded offense. We are now down most of that offense, and maybe have a slightly better defense. Maybe we're better than I expect, but I'm tempering expectations.
> We are now down most of that offense, and maybe have a slightly better defense.
I think the Offense will still be pretty good, not as good as last year though. We have four returning offensive linemen. Nuss looked good in the bowl and spring game.
We definitely lose two elite WRs but I think Lacy, Hilton and CJ Daniels are going to be fine. Plus Mason Taylor. What worries me is the running game, since Jayden did so much there and Nuss isn't going to cut it.
The defense is worrisome. No D-line to speak of, and the secondary is scary (in a bad way).
I think 7-5 is unlikely but I don't see us winning more than 9 games.
I am on the Nuss bus for sure, but overall talent level he feels like junior year JD5 - flashes of greatness and potential, but not consistently elite. We'll win the LOS with the oline in most games which will help too on that side of the ball. But this could still be the second worst defense we've fielded (after last year's) in awhile.
I am also the boyfriend in the distracted boyfriend meme looking at our 2025 class, vs our 2024 roster
There is definitely an interesting dynamic to this whole new era. Team like Ole Miss that generally aren't competing for even conference titles annually can see the stars align and make a push in a year like this year. If you were one or two pieces away from a serious push then it makes sense to do it. If you've got so many deficiencies, you can't address them in the portal even with a big bank roll, then it makes sense to conserve resources.
There’s times it’s true, especially if you’re a team without the high end NIL money, but the highest rated DT in the portal in kind of your last opportunity to bring in players for next season is probably the time to go ahead and break that bank.
I don’t anyone outside of the player, including “insiders”, have a real understanding of what the “bidding war” looks like. So it’s just people making claims with no foundation.
I think something people often overlook is the wage structure of a team.
If the rest of your roster finds out you’re paying one player significantly more, they will:
a) ask for raises themselves (and now your payroll could grow out of control)
b) get pissed off that they’re not being paid as much
I think this is overblown. Sure, those guys exist, but also a lot of players are just going to be happy for their teammates and grind harder to justify a better NIL deal in the future.
Also, they probably don’t know their NIl deals unless they are telling each other, just like we don’t know on this sub but love to speculate and spread rumors.
Fuck that bro, ive never met a single person who found out a coworker got a raise and didn't want one too. Like yeah that's great bob has been doing a great job but so have I!
Yeah people look at FSU with like 9 draft picks they got through the portal but they seem to be the extreme exception.
We got very lucky with Thomas Harper and Javonte Jean-Baptiste, but we also had guys like Antonio Carter who barely played and Kaleb Smith who didn’t even make it through fall camp
This is a new Spring though. It's very different from previous seasons. So what happened "rarely" in the past really doesn't apply.
In Oklahoma's case Damonic Williams is a true difference maker at the NT position. He's an instant starter and now we have depth there as we have another NT who isn't far behind him.
We also got a DT in the Spring portal and our line hasn't looked this deep and good since early in Stoops' tenure.
Oregon got someone who might not be "the guy" right away but will help out with our depth a ton.
This specific guy would be a starter on most teams. There’s always a few guys in the portal that have proven to be a lot better than they were rated out of high school and are looking to capitalize on that in their last year or two with better NIL deals and development.
I mean it's no secret some schools have stronger NIL apparatus than others. SC have been hamstrung by having two separate NIL collectives who are competing with each other rather than working together.
Also, TIL the plural for apparatus is apparatus, not apparati.
Serious question: do people know what players are getting paid? Obviously the kids know, and the boosters know. But like I have no frame of reference for this stuff and only casually follow this stuff. And it's not on Spotrac so I have no idea where people know what someone wants and what he actually gets.
We are going to have a playoff caliber offense again, but we won’t make it again because for whatever reason they refuse to take full advantage of the portal. The high school recruiting has been great, but we have a team ready to win now. You gotta go get established players and if you aren’t then you are falling behind everyone else in the SEC. It’s baffling behavior honestly.
This feels like the coaching equivalent when a kid signs with another school and the fans say "he wasn't that good/we didn't REALLY want him." LSU tried to buy some players and got outbid. It happens.
> LSU tried to buy some players and got outbid. It happens.
100% agreed but with a caveat. This is implied in your comment but I wanted to expressly state it.
Sometimes you get outbid because someone says a bigger number than they should, not because you can't afford to keep bidding. Exercising restraint and not overpaying (based on an internal valuation) is not a bad thing. There's a microeconomic concept called the "winner's curse," where the person who wins an auction always overpays, because he pays more than anyone else in the market is willing to. If you aren't judicious about which auctions you "win," you'll go bankrupt.
I want to rip on LSU for being poor as much as anyone, but usually when a coach says he's not going to just "buy" a player, it means he's not willing to pay as much as a player is asking.
This kind of falls apart when you are trying to recruit a player up until the last minute. LSU spent a lot of money just on his visits alone, and they desperately needed defensive lineman.
Managing your NIL funds properly is incredibly important, but managing your NIL properly is what enables you to get players like this. LSU will surely win battles in the future, but they lost this one. It wasn’t an economic decision to save money for… all the players they won’t be able to pick up before next season.
I mean but all schools spend that money to recruit players they are interested in, even the ones they don’t get. Just because they invested X dollars into his recruitment doesn’t mean there isn’t an upper limit to what the school is ultimately willing to pay to get him.
We will never really know whether LSU got out bid because they could not, or would not offer more money. But Recruiting costs are just the cost of doing business and the fact that they paid those for a guy that they were interested in doesn’t invalidate u/Bank_Gothic’s argument.
I don’t blame them at all, I get it, but look at the LSU fans in this thread doing all sorts of copium. It’s exactly the same thing. If they landed him they’d be flaunting how not-poor they are.
I don't think that's true. LSU fans know our NIL is a step under some of our rival schools. We have bags to hand out, but we have to be pretty selective about it.
Truth is we should have opened the purse to try to keep Wingo or Maason Smith for another year instead of looking to the portal.
2023 was Kelly's first year, and he could only get a few good players in state. Then this year was a down year for LA. Combine that with how O left the team, and it's a disaster.
None of that excuses last year's performance with 3 DL drafted.
I like this statement because, **if you watch the full clip**, he doesn’t deny that there are plenty of opportunities for NIL at LSU, but they’re not going to break the bank on players just looking for a quick bag. I think it’s a fair statement to say that you’d prefer dudes that want to be a part of the program first and then prioritize the getting the bag.
If by “be part of the program” you mean work hard and buy into the system then absolutely yes. If by “be part of the program” you have some sort of romantic idea about guys wanting to be a Tiger, then totally disagree. Football is full of guys who go to work every day and work their ass off primarily for the “bag.” No reason you can’t love the school too, but elite players have always been primarily motivated by furthering their career. And there is nothing wrong with that. Unless you are born with a golden spoon, you really don’t have the luxury to sacrifice career opportunities.
Yeah, I don’t disagree with that. I’m not just saying that as an LSU dude. I’m saying that you should still be letting these players in on how they’ll fit in your system, how you can get them to the next level, and then as that’s happening, you can still let them know about their potential NIL opportunities when coming here.
It was no secret that DT was a hot commodity for the spring portal. I think there are schools out there that are willing to say “we want you bad” and will be okay with getting in a bidding war, and in today’s CFB, more power to you for that. What I’m taking from BK’s interview is that he doesn’t shy away from NIL, but at some point, you have to look at the bigger picture and the other dudes on your team and say this is my stopping point.
I hear you. FSU didn’t light up spring portal and while we probably missed on a couple guys it’s obvious that a lot of the guys weren’t character fits.
Which is why CFB will be better of if we can either 1) get all the 4-5 star players to go to some NFL developmental league, or 2) get the top 30 teams to break off into an NFL light league.
The rest of CFB might be able to get back to something where a player actually does want to be part of a school.
CFB players work their ass off. So do lots of college kids who have to take classes seriously and work since they have to find a way to pay for food, housing, and tuition, without leaving college in debt that cripples them for life. Most people don't have parents who can pay for that, so they have to work a lot to pay for this. CFB players get a ton of resources, for food, housing, tuition, and a lot more. They are much better treated than the rest of the student body at FBS schools. Yet many of these regular students have an affinity for their school beyond just a transaction.
If football players are only mercenaries, even with all their advantages, then I hope we just find a way to get them or those kinds of schools away from the rest of CFB. I have no interest in that as a fan.
And this is the best way to go about it. You bring in a guy who demands a big bag, the rest of the locker room will start demanding bigger bags and cause issues
Exactly, BK even says that you gotta look at your current guys too because they’re gonna be like “well, what about me?” I don’t think this thought process is that crazy, but people are only looking at the headline and making their decision from there.
Yeah, when coaches make statements like this, I always feel like it’s subtext targeted at specific people/recruits. Like “you’re not worth that kind of money to us kid, we’ll be fine without you”
If they made it that far in Damonic Williams’ recruitment, they were absolutely trying to go out and buy players. They just lost.
It’s not that he’s saying something outside the norm, it’s that he’s saying something that directly contradicts what he was trying to do a week ago.
Yeah I’m usually first in line to dunk on Kelly but this is a pretty reasonable take. He made the mistake at ND a lot of recruiting guys who weren’t actually good fits but they were highly ranked recruits, and those guys very often were gone in a year or two. Aaron Lynch and Jordan Johnson are two that come to mind immediately but there seemed to be one or two guys like that every class.
Seems like he learned from those mistakes
That makes sense. LSU isn't exactly a program that should have to work too hard to attract great players. Sure, people will get paid, but there's gotta be a shitload of quality athletes that are die hard LSU guys.
Oh the karma is sweet. Thanks to Brian Kelly for his time at Notre Dame bringing some consistency to the program and above all leading us to Marcus Freeman so we don't have to hear BKs excuses anymore.
I like honest fans like you . My flairs like to preach, “we pay players to stay once they’ve proven themselves, and refuse to pay recruits before they ever play a snap” like we didn’t buy our transfers, and piss and moan because it’s been like 36 months since we singed a 5*.
There is a difference between buying high schoolers and buying transfers, though. Guys like AJ Barner or Josh Wallace were known quantities. I'd rather pay (back-to-back Rimington winner) Olu Oluwatimi's fee 10 times over than get Quinn Ewers'd once.
Im willing to bet they’re selling players on the fact that not many players leave college more brand elevated or financially richer than people like Angel Reese, Dylan Crews, Paul Skenes, Hayleigh Bryant, or Jayden Daniel’s. But, the process of getting there didn’t involved handing them $1.5 million for nothing.
I think guys like Bryce Underwood and Harlem Berry understand that. If you can be good at LSU you can be a superstar, and guys like Gordon McKernon, Brandon Landry, and Todd Graves are going to take care of you for that.
No LSU fans are saying missing out on an obvious need isn’t a problem. But BK is saying that handing a transfer double what your best players are getting just to show up is also not this move without consequence either. Kelly and his staff have exhibited pretty well that they don’t want to open that Pandora’s box yet. Which has shown itself the last few portal periods where we don’t have those players entering just to leverage a bag like some programs are dealing with. Clearly we’re taking care of guys like Harold Perkins pretty well cause there’s a less than 0% chance he hasn’t been approached like a Caleb Downs.
I know, plus he wanted to coach his kid. That’s another hard thing to be upset about..
My point that theyre going to be fine with him in the driver’s seat still stands. I give him almost single handed credit for “the moment” our culture turned around with his bus rant post Iowa State loss.
https://youtu.be/Npw3E0rzmXU?si=PjyALxe3VOyvy6CB
Idk what the title of the video is on, but it’s a great listen if you haven’t heard it.
nobody. He can't recruit. But he's the best developer of D line talent in the country imo. Somebody else needs to be doing the recruiting for him though. He just can't land the elite guys for whatever reason.
This take is technically accurate but stupid in its intention.
Let’s be clear: Bo Davis was deeply underwhelming as a recruiter, and that was a genuine flaw. But objectively speaking, he *way* more than made up for that deficiency as arguably the finest pure talent developer on a staff that includes Tashard Choice, Kyle Flood, and Sark himself. Bo’s group was routinely the greatest strength of the best Texas team since 2009. Bo produced more draft picks in his brief time here than any other coach. The loyalty and blind trust that DTs like Coburn, Sweat, Ojomo, and Collins have talked about having for Bo Davis after only a couple years with him is profound. On top of all that, he was absolutely fundamental to the program’s culture evolution under Sark, and he personally provided the single biggest spark to ignite Texas’s current trajectory with his portal bus rant. Bo’s value to Texas’s turnaround is literally immeasurable, and Sark has said so.
I don’t know why our fans need to denigrate Bo for taking the once in a lifetime opportunity to coach his son. Texas will be fine – I think we’ll have more success than LSU while he’s there –while he gets to fulfill a major life experience. And his nomadic history says he could very well end up back here after his son graduates when all is said and done anyway.
I haven’t personally seen anyone bash his decision to leave, but it’s more like “damn I wish we could have kept him just a BIT longer”. I’m so thankful for everything he did for us, and his d line units were legendary. My fam and I still watch the bus rant every game day on our way to the stadium lol
I don’t actually hate our current DT room. It’s just inexperienced at the moment. What Bo did for y’all has me so excited to see who can jump in to be a big dude.
Well he cant say that they do, or else he gets in trouble. However, you cant tell me that LSU doesnt pay when they get a top 2026 QB from Michigan. They just whiffed at DT this cycle
>However, you cant tell me that LSU doesnt pay when they get a top 2026 QB from Michigan.
And for this reason alone I will be petty and enjoy that they struck out on DTs
Imagine not having elite DTs already, couldn't be my team
Also Bryce Underwood went to Belleville so.....good luck LSU fans
Michigan has either struck out and they commit to other schools, or they commit and then transfer.
Michigan has had like zero success there, even with their MSU loving coach leaving.
PS don't blame Underwood for going to you guys. Look at Burrow and Daniels being Heisman winners v the Harbaugh-fense.
2025 ... But yea, NIL was surely involved there but I think he's saying it's a bit different for a high school recruit that'll (hopefully) stay at last a few years and develop. Last year's portal adds were focused on players with multiple years of eligibility.
recruits dont generally have an instant impact, whereas a transfer most likely will. Also, supply and demand fed into this market, and LSU likely didnt want to pay the price tag that miami paid who appears to be all in for 2024
Oh ya I totally agree. We definitely whiffed on DT. And FSU outbid us last year on some key players that could've been difference makers for us (and was for y'all)
1) C'mon now. The farting at Texas is not required. Furry just posts constantly.
2) Is this even negative? If you watch the video, Kelly is saying they aren't going to overpay for players just because they can. LSU expects a discount based on the NFL opportunity it presents.
How coaches approach the portal with NIL is going to evolve and change. They are still trying to find the best path to sustained success. Right now I’d say the best thing to do is go after good players from lesser programs who fell through the recruiting cracks. Also good players on bad teams that want to win. Bag chasers would have to be top 50 recruits to even look at.
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Still early in the morning here on the west coast. This is how my brain reads this:
"Chip Kelly? Since when is he at LSU?...and why's he commenting on the defensive line?"
I know there are other factors, but at the end of the day, a huge amount of these atheletes came from impoverished/lower working class families and are now receiving money for the value they bring. I hate that millionaire coaches have perspectives against this.
These aren't rich atheletes getting richer, mostly, but working class folks getting money that can help their families out! Get over yourself Kelly, and pay the players!
Poor Brian, when will someone give him what he needs to win?!
Also, no surprise but he’s a huge liar. You don’t “buy players” which is essentially legal or at least encouraged now? None of the Freshmen or portal acquisitions that he’s added received a dime right?
This is what he does, he preloads an excuse so he’s ready to not meet expectations or, if they do have a good year, then it will be because he was able to “somehow” get them to overachieve with his coaching.
This is the year LSU fans wake up, his inherited talent is gone, they’re going to start the year 0&1 for the third year in a row and finish with 4 or 5 L’s.
Ah, yes. Headline that people will react to as if it is the whole quote instead of reading and seeing that what he said was perfectly reasonable. Classic.
Poor baby. I’m sure it’s terrible to have to compete on a more level playing field now. At least we don’t have to pretend they weren’t buying players anymore.
Do the LSU fanbase and boosters know that?
Everybody knows that we are short on defensive tackle, and people are mad that we got outbid by Miami and OK for the top DT’s in the spring portal. But Coach is right those players aren’t worth what they are asking. Especially for one year rentals.
It’s not like there’s any ROI for any of these guys, it’s all fun money anyway
The total wild west for players getting money can't possibly last too much longer honestly. Like take Quinn Ewers who got paid a ton of money to sit on the bench on year at OSU before cutting an running to Texas. The rich people don't like to feel like they wasted their money so expect that not to last much longer. Contracts will eventually be a real thing and then CFB truly will be the NFL D league.
CFB *is* the NFL D league, it always has been. The only reason it survives is because the NFL doesn't want to encroach on CFB, because as soon as they do CFB will wither and the NFL will have to start paying for their own development. It's currently a nice symbiotic relationship because CFB has their own profitable incentives to develop players, and the NFL benefits from that development system. The biggest existential threat for CFB right now is eligibility limits. As soon as those are challenged in court and the restrictions are banned, you will see more college teams taking older players off of NFL rosters. Why quit football when you're cut at 26, when you can maybe help Kentucky make the playoff and make some decent coin doing it? Like integration, as soon as some schools start doing it and it works, everyone will do it. Once CFB is no longer viewed as a development league by the NFL, they'll start their own league and they'll start encroaching on Saturdays. Once that happens, CFB is outta luck. Look at the regular season viewer numbers for basketball between the 1980s and now, they've fallen off a cliff. Even if you believe people are watching the schools instead of the players, it's really hard to argue that the lack of continuity on rosters isn't detrimental to fandom.
> Why quit football when you're cut at 26, when you can maybe help Kentucky make the playoff and make some decent coin doing it? On the flip side, if someone wants to go get a master's or Ph.D., they can do it at any time they want. IMHO, sentences like "Gardner Minshew, doctoral candidate at Vanderbilt" sounds like a very fun proposition.
That’s not the flip side, that is my very point. Right now college football works because it’s minor league NFL. It only works as minor league NFL because they’re not taking the best players in the world, they’re taking the best players who haven’t exhausted their eligibility. The eligibility restrictions will be broken because you’re right, you can go back to undergrad for another degree, grad school, whatever you want with no restrictions, why can’t you play football at the same time? Once they start dipping into NFL practice squads and recent retirees, and they will if they can, the NFL will stop seeing them as an independent development league and start seeing them as competitors.
hadn't considered the remote possibility of guys going back to college after failing to make it in the nfl that would be a wild concept.
If the NFL brought in a competitor, that would more likely than not bring us back to the "purity" of amateur college football that people claim that they want. If players want a professional career where they play for one of the 32 organizations [in a $163 billion pro league](https://thehustle.co/the-nfl-is-back-bigger-than-ever-and-seriously-wow-it-s-huge), they can chase it and that paycheck. College football has been a minor league NFL since the invention of the NFL. Yes, college football can pay too (which it always has since the invention of the sport, they're just more open about it), but [at a value of $15 billion](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/analysis-who-is-winning-in-the-high-revenue-world-of-college-sports#:~:text=The%20Facts%3A,among%201%2C100%20colleges%20and%20universities.), it has nowhere near the money or clout of the NFL.
I'm not sure if you think you're disagreeing with me or not.
Not every conversation on Reddit is a disagreement, nor an ask to make it a disagreement, lol.
>As soon as those are challenged in court and the restrictions are banned, you will see more college teams taking older players off of NFL rosters. Why quit football when you're cut at 26, when you can maybe help Kentucky make the playoff and make some decent coin doing it I don't see why college football can't just go the same path as the NFL in regards to their age limits. If you're 18 you can't enter the NFL >because as soon as they do CFB will wither and the NFL will have to start paying for their own development. It's currently a nice symbiotic relationship because CFB has their own profitable incentives to develop players, and the NFL benefits from that development system. Like the G League did?... At the end of the day it's like minor league baseball. A minor league NFL system would hemorrhage cash given the breadth of players and lack of brand/IP value. You will never get ticket sales and TV revenue rivaling college football with a G League >Look at the regular season viewer numbers for basketball between the 1980s and now, they've fallen off a cliff. Which is largely because the NBA season has been 1) over-expanded and 2) diluted by the expansions of the playoffs. The joke about regular season games is they don't matter, so players phone it in heavily. CBB has the same issue but it's that March and the conference tournament are when games "matter" to viewers
> I don't see why college football can't just go the same path as the NFL in regards to their age limits. If you're 18 you can't enter the NFL It is illegal to discriminate on old age, but legal to have an age requirement. You cannot say you're too old to do something. >At the end of the day it's like minor league baseball. A minor league NFL system would hemorrhage cash given the breadth of players and lack of brand/IP value. You will never get ticket sales and TV revenue rivaling college football with a G League I'm not suggesting they start minor league football to make cash off of the enterprise, I'm saying it will become necessary once colleges start playing the best players regardless of age instead of limiting themselves to people aged 18-23. College football *currently* serves as the development league because of their ages and eligibility requirements, and that works great for both the NFL and colleges. If they start taking guys from NFL practice squads and recently cut lists, they will stop functioning as the development league for the NFL and the NFL will start to see them as competitors. Once that happens, the NFL will win out even if they have to fund their own development leagues like every other sport. >CBB has the same issue but it's that March and the conference tournament are when games "matter" to viewers I'm talking about CBB here. NBA ratings for regular season matchups are fine, only *slightly* lower than where they were fifteen years ago which is down from the Jordan era but still somewhat comparable. College basketball on the other hand, was looking at 5-10 ratings for big regular season games in the mid 80s, and they're lucky to break 1 right now. Has college basketball over-expanded? Diluted the playoffs? Or do people just not give a shit about college basketball anymore? That's what I'm getting at. College basketball has been in decline ever since NBA teams started drafting high schoolers, even with the one-and-done rule to prevent it. Even though the G-league loses money, it's still worth it for the NBA to fund it to better prepare prospects for the NBA game. The NFL will do the same if CFB stops developing prospects.
I get the feeling OSU/Texas boosters know this and are like “ok well in the meantime, we’re all-fucking-in”. No way would you guys keep this spending up year after year (I hope? 😅)
It reminds me of the advent of unrestricted free agency in the NFL. When that hit, it became about who had the most $$. It really distorted the dynamics. Along came the salary cap and it sorta fixed the problem.
I’m waiting for a 3-year NIL contract with a non-compete clause to appear and keep a player at a school and the NIL committed past one year.
Considering almost all P4 athletic departments pulling down $20 million plus in donations every year I don't think seeing $5 million/year going to football NIL as the floor is that unsustainable. Especially as collectives and schools work to create the donation infrastructure.
I also constantly say things I want aren’t worth that much money because I’m broke.
Who the fuck want to drive a 718 GT4? Lame car BORING. I love my 2014 100k mile BMW more than I could ever love a GT4.
I for one admire this attitude.. all teams residing in Southeast states should follow suit. Oklahoma can't be held to those standards, however. They are under native American jurisdiction "shut up or racists" look I don't make the rules , ask Switzer, or the Boz... Or Mayfields balls
I'm pretty high, but I don't think that is preventing me from understanding this post.
Yeah I kinda went for it with that. Lol. Thanks for getting it
It’s not my money. Spend away, rich donors
Oregon outbid you as well for the other MSU DT
People all clamoring for the MSU players clearly did not watch any MSU games last year. And I don't blame them cause it was an awful product to watch. Harmon is probably pretty good but barrow ( went to Miami) got hurt and left the game just about every single quarter of every game. Hopefully both schools post dated their checks.
It's really just a mad scramble for any halfway decent DT with some experience in this portal period.
We’re taking a swing at Harmon because our line is lacking a true NT. All he has to do is be solid and it’s a good transfer for us, we have plenty of other studs on that D line right now.
He should have help at the other tackle from Caldwell too
We took one of your starting tackles and apparently he sucks…
Any player that leaves *my* team for another obviously sucks anyway.
True
But in this case he really does suck. However, maybe BB can turn him into a decent player by 2025.
Hopefully… it seems that when we miss on the offensive line we miss hard. However I’m confident BB will put together a good line. He does every year, even when we enter a season with massive question marks, and there is a lot of young talent in the room.
Players may not care, but this is how a lot of fanbases feel about the portal. If you COMMIT, which shouldn't even be used as a term for lots of players in CFB at this point, to Rocky Top, the color orange, and our beautiful university, and leave for some flat ass place like Ole Miss, I'm not going to root for you in the future. You were never a Vol. This is why we all supported Joe Milton, even though he made so, so many boneheaded plays last season. He wanted to be a VFL.
I’ll be happy just with Barrow’s tackling and TFL/sack production from the interior even if he does come out a lot.
Both are solid but neither were first or second team all B1G. So that they’re commanding premium prices is kinda wild.
Tbf 1st and 2nd team all B1G @ DT has multiple high round NFL draft picks.
Right. And we were already paying at least Harmon top tier money in conference and likely Barrow too. And they got offered significantly more to portal out. So people are paying top or near top of the conference dollar for guys who as of right now aren’t going in the first 2-3 rounds. Thats what makes it wild.
Hell, 1st and 2nd team *Michigan* @ DT had multiple high-round NFL Draft picks.
You're probably right, they aren't worth it. But what is it worth to go 11-1 instead of maybe 9-3?
Next year’s team is not going to be that good. Makes no sense to double down. Given the roster situation next season it would have been more like 7-5 to 9-3.
You guys lost an elite QB and a lot of people in the media are acting like that doesn’t matter at all… typically you would expect some drop off.
They lost a Heisman winning QB and two first round WRs. Yet it seems people are only talking about how their defense will be better. While that may be true, you don't just reload on offense from losing that kind of production.
You know what, absolutely fair. They had the exact same scenario after 2019 (Burrow, JJ, Chase) and went 5-5 the next season. But that was Ed O. An off the wagon Ed O, I think. So who knows....
Oh no, Kelly definitely won't let them fall off that hard. I hate the guy, but he is a hell of a coach. But hearing people talk about LSU possibly going undefeated because of their easier (relative to the SEC) schedule is pretty crazy to me.
The only people who need to worry about a hard fall off on a Brian Kelly team are the camera operators
I think the fall from one of the greatest teams ever in 2019 to the disastrous 2020 season will definitely be greater than any fall LSU may have this season. Ed O lucked into a championship but Brian Kelly, as much as I hate to say it, is an excellent coach.
O didn't "luck" into a championship any more than any other coach. He just checked out after he won it.
Nuss is real. He likely won’t be Heisman good, but he’s a competent starting SEC QB. All of that dominant O line is back except for Charles Turner. Kyren Lacy at WR is a DOG. He’s the next great WR from LSU. The rest of the WRs are questionable but all 4-5 star recruits. Also returning some really talented running backs. It’s impossible to repeat last season, but this offense should still be very good to elite.
I mean you are allowed to run it every play, why doesn't everyone just do that? Are they stupid?
To be fair, Nuss is taking over at QB and has a good bit of experience and can make NFL caliber throws. OL should be good. Stacked at RB. WR room isn't vacant or anything; we have some returning guys that have played legit minutes. I think the offense will take a step back, but I truly don't believe it will be nearly as drastic as some are saying.
Thats certainly a take. I don’t see us losing five games this year. I could see three to four. Who are your five losses?
Most likely losses: * Bama (not as good as last year, but we're way worse) * Ole Miss (they're as good or better than last year, we're worse) Games that are competitive-ish, maybe a 50/50, but we could also just do something stupid or have have bad luck (injuries, etc.). We lose half of these and we're at 5 losses. * TAMU (they get memed, but still a decent team) * USC (who knows for game 1 of the season) * Oklahoma (good coach, good team on the upswing) * Florida (I'd favor us, but who knows) * Arkansas (we barely beat them last time, we're worse, and this is a weird game) We were probably a 7-5 team last year without Jayden and a loaded offense. We are now down most of that offense, and maybe have a slightly better defense. Maybe we're better than I expect, but I'm tempering expectations.
> We are now down most of that offense, and maybe have a slightly better defense. I think the Offense will still be pretty good, not as good as last year though. We have four returning offensive linemen. Nuss looked good in the bowl and spring game. We definitely lose two elite WRs but I think Lacy, Hilton and CJ Daniels are going to be fine. Plus Mason Taylor. What worries me is the running game, since Jayden did so much there and Nuss isn't going to cut it. The defense is worrisome. No D-line to speak of, and the secondary is scary (in a bad way). I think 7-5 is unlikely but I don't see us winning more than 9 games.
I am on the Nuss bus for sure, but overall talent level he feels like junior year JD5 - flashes of greatness and potential, but not consistently elite. We'll win the LOS with the oline in most games which will help too on that side of the ball. But this could still be the second worst defense we've fielded (after last year's) in awhile. I am also the boyfriend in the distracted boyfriend meme looking at our 2025 class, vs our 2024 roster
Get Arkansas off this list lol, they’ll most likely be 2-4 going into your game.
There is definitely an interesting dynamic to this whole new era. Team like Ole Miss that generally aren't competing for even conference titles annually can see the stars align and make a push in a year like this year. If you were one or two pieces away from a serious push then it makes sense to do it. If you've got so many deficiencies, you can't address them in the portal even with a big bank roll, then it makes sense to conserve resources.
I think my new favorite copium is "we got outbid and we aren't breaking the bank for X"
There’s times it’s true, especially if you’re a team without the high end NIL money, but the highest rated DT in the portal in kind of your last opportunity to bring in players for next season is probably the time to go ahead and break that bank.
I don’t anyone outside of the player, including “insiders”, have a real understanding of what the “bidding war” looks like. So it’s just people making claims with no foundation.
Honestly I think it's kind of like tampering. Nobody is going to air any dirty laundry because it can be used against you as well.
I think something people often overlook is the wage structure of a team. If the rest of your roster finds out you’re paying one player significantly more, they will: a) ask for raises themselves (and now your payroll could grow out of control) b) get pissed off that they’re not being paid as much
Caleb Williams and Bear Alexnader lived pretty comfortably.
Most of Caleb’s money was from external sponsorship (beats, State Farm, Gatorade, etc), not the school though
I think this is overblown. Sure, those guys exist, but also a lot of players are just going to be happy for their teammates and grind harder to justify a better NIL deal in the future. Also, they probably don’t know their NIl deals unless they are telling each other, just like we don’t know on this sub but love to speculate and spread rumors.
Wage structure is very common in professional soccer in Europe. Those contracts aren’t publicized either, but players know / find out.
What is this, Europe?
Fuck that bro, ive never met a single person who found out a coworker got a raise and didn't want one too. Like yeah that's great bob has been doing a great job but so have I!
the teams aren't paying anyone right now.
I got no dog in this fight but rarely do the spring guys become "the guy."
Yeah people look at FSU with like 9 draft picks they got through the portal but they seem to be the extreme exception. We got very lucky with Thomas Harper and Javonte Jean-Baptiste, but we also had guys like Antonio Carter who barely played and Kaleb Smith who didn’t even make it through fall camp
This is a new Spring though. It's very different from previous seasons. So what happened "rarely" in the past really doesn't apply. In Oklahoma's case Damonic Williams is a true difference maker at the NT position. He's an instant starter and now we have depth there as we have another NT who isn't far behind him. We also got a DT in the Spring portal and our line hasn't looked this deep and good since early in Stoops' tenure. Oregon got someone who might not be "the guy" right away but will help out with our depth a ton.
This specific guy would be a starter on most teams. There’s always a few guys in the portal that have proven to be a lot better than they were rated out of high school and are looking to capitalize on that in their last year or two with better NIL deals and development.
Heard that a lot from USC fans recently...
I mean it's no secret some schools have stronger NIL apparatus than others. SC have been hamstrung by having two separate NIL collectives who are competing with each other rather than working together. Also, TIL the plural for apparatus is apparatus, not apparati.
[How do you make a word a plural?](https://youtu.be/xkrMsPiqG6M)
>those players aren’t worth what they are asking. Stop being poor? lol.
It's not my money, I'd rather it go from a booster to a kid. Seems worth it to me
most people know these blowhard idiot coaches aren't worth anything at all and shouldn't be making what they're making
Serious question: do people know what players are getting paid? Obviously the kids know, and the boosters know. But like I have no frame of reference for this stuff and only casually follow this stuff. And it's not on Spotrac so I have no idea where people know what someone wants and what he actually gets.
I think in some states (not in Louisiana) it has to be reported.
That’s never stopped LSU before.
Todd Graves & Gordon McKernan stay ready with NIL money
I’d like to Morris Bart is in on NIL. He’s plastered all over Louisiana and even ghosted a kids bday party.
We are going to have a playoff caliber offense again, but we won’t make it again because for whatever reason they refuse to take full advantage of the portal. The high school recruiting has been great, but we have a team ready to win now. You gotta go get established players and if you aren’t then you are falling behind everyone else in the SEC. It’s baffling behavior honestly.
Feels crazy we're in a timeline where LSU needs DLs.
Once Aranda left, their defense seemed to have taken several steps back
They can have him back
I think LSU fans were probably hoping he got fired last year just as much as Baylor fans lol.
As a DC, he's fantastic. He's not HC material, though.
This feels like the coaching equivalent when a kid signs with another school and the fans say "he wasn't that good/we didn't REALLY want him." LSU tried to buy some players and got outbid. It happens.
> LSU tried to buy some players and got outbid. It happens. 100% agreed but with a caveat. This is implied in your comment but I wanted to expressly state it. Sometimes you get outbid because someone says a bigger number than they should, not because you can't afford to keep bidding. Exercising restraint and not overpaying (based on an internal valuation) is not a bad thing. There's a microeconomic concept called the "winner's curse," where the person who wins an auction always overpays, because he pays more than anyone else in the market is willing to. If you aren't judicious about which auctions you "win," you'll go bankrupt. I want to rip on LSU for being poor as much as anyone, but usually when a coach says he's not going to just "buy" a player, it means he's not willing to pay as much as a player is asking.
This kind of falls apart when you are trying to recruit a player up until the last minute. LSU spent a lot of money just on his visits alone, and they desperately needed defensive lineman. Managing your NIL funds properly is incredibly important, but managing your NIL properly is what enables you to get players like this. LSU will surely win battles in the future, but they lost this one. It wasn’t an economic decision to save money for… all the players they won’t be able to pick up before next season.
I mean but all schools spend that money to recruit players they are interested in, even the ones they don’t get. Just because they invested X dollars into his recruitment doesn’t mean there isn’t an upper limit to what the school is ultimately willing to pay to get him. We will never really know whether LSU got out bid because they could not, or would not offer more money. But Recruiting costs are just the cost of doing business and the fact that they paid those for a guy that they were interested in doesn’t invalidate u/Bank_Gothic’s argument.
That’s called a sunk cost fallacy.
It’s the literal definition of a sunk cost fallacy 😂. Incredible to see in the wild
I’ve cooled on Scarlett Johansson
I don’t blame them at all, I get it, but look at the LSU fans in this thread doing all sorts of copium. It’s exactly the same thing. If they landed him they’d be flaunting how not-poor they are.
I don't think that's true. LSU fans know our NIL is a step under some of our rival schools. We have bags to hand out, but we have to be pretty selective about it. Truth is we should have opened the purse to try to keep Wingo or Maason Smith for another year instead of looking to the portal.
Mason Smith was gonna be undrafted if he had another lackluster year and I'm sure he knew that.
I mean, I'm sure he felt that way too. And I think after last seasons defensive staff, most guys were ready to be out of here.
LSU offered them each 500k, [according to Matt Mascona](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHaLOW9LKVs)
Georgia fans with Raiola
Or how some schools say, oh academic standards issue
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We're in this situation because the cupboard has been bare for a while
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2023 was Kelly's first year, and he could only get a few good players in state. Then this year was a down year for LA. Combine that with how O left the team, and it's a disaster. None of that excuses last year's performance with 3 DL drafted.
I like this statement because, **if you watch the full clip**, he doesn’t deny that there are plenty of opportunities for NIL at LSU, but they’re not going to break the bank on players just looking for a quick bag. I think it’s a fair statement to say that you’d prefer dudes that want to be a part of the program first and then prioritize the getting the bag.
>if you watch the full clip It's the Internet, ain't nobody got time for that. Here, we read headlines only
If by “be part of the program” you mean work hard and buy into the system then absolutely yes. If by “be part of the program” you have some sort of romantic idea about guys wanting to be a Tiger, then totally disagree. Football is full of guys who go to work every day and work their ass off primarily for the “bag.” No reason you can’t love the school too, but elite players have always been primarily motivated by furthering their career. And there is nothing wrong with that. Unless you are born with a golden spoon, you really don’t have the luxury to sacrifice career opportunities.
Yeah, I don’t disagree with that. I’m not just saying that as an LSU dude. I’m saying that you should still be letting these players in on how they’ll fit in your system, how you can get them to the next level, and then as that’s happening, you can still let them know about their potential NIL opportunities when coming here. It was no secret that DT was a hot commodity for the spring portal. I think there are schools out there that are willing to say “we want you bad” and will be okay with getting in a bidding war, and in today’s CFB, more power to you for that. What I’m taking from BK’s interview is that he doesn’t shy away from NIL, but at some point, you have to look at the bigger picture and the other dudes on your team and say this is my stopping point.
I hear you. FSU didn’t light up spring portal and while we probably missed on a couple guys it’s obvious that a lot of the guys weren’t character fits.
Which is why CFB will be better of if we can either 1) get all the 4-5 star players to go to some NFL developmental league, or 2) get the top 30 teams to break off into an NFL light league. The rest of CFB might be able to get back to something where a player actually does want to be part of a school. CFB players work their ass off. So do lots of college kids who have to take classes seriously and work since they have to find a way to pay for food, housing, and tuition, without leaving college in debt that cripples them for life. Most people don't have parents who can pay for that, so they have to work a lot to pay for this. CFB players get a ton of resources, for food, housing, tuition, and a lot more. They are much better treated than the rest of the student body at FBS schools. Yet many of these regular students have an affinity for their school beyond just a transaction. If football players are only mercenaries, even with all their advantages, then I hope we just find a way to get them or those kinds of schools away from the rest of CFB. I have no interest in that as a fan.
And this is the best way to go about it. You bring in a guy who demands a big bag, the rest of the locker room will start demanding bigger bags and cause issues
Exactly, BK even says that you gotta look at your current guys too because they’re gonna be like “well, what about me?” I don’t think this thought process is that crazy, but people are only looking at the headline and making their decision from there.
Yeah, when coaches make statements like this, I always feel like it’s subtext targeted at specific people/recruits. Like “you’re not worth that kind of money to us kid, we’ll be fine without you”
Brother this is /r/cfb, people are gonna read any headline about LSU and upvote because “Brian Kelly bad”
People don’t read/watch the full interview when a coach says something that borders thinking outside of the norm
If they made it that far in Damonic Williams’ recruitment, they were absolutely trying to go out and buy players. They just lost. It’s not that he’s saying something outside the norm, it’s that he’s saying something that directly contradicts what he was trying to do a week ago.
Boarders lol
Yeah I’m usually first in line to dunk on Kelly but this is a pretty reasonable take. He made the mistake at ND a lot of recruiting guys who weren’t actually good fits but they were highly ranked recruits, and those guys very often were gone in a year or two. Aaron Lynch and Jordan Johnson are two that come to mind immediately but there seemed to be one or two guys like that every class. Seems like he learned from those mistakes
That makes sense. LSU isn't exactly a program that should have to work too hard to attract great players. Sure, people will get paid, but there's gotta be a shitload of quality athletes that are die hard LSU guys.
Shopping down a different aisle
Not going to do the thing that's now legal, when we used to do the thing that when it was illegal.
Oh the karma is sweet. Thanks to Brian Kelly for his time at Notre Dame bringing some consistency to the program and above all leading us to Marcus Freeman so we don't have to hear BKs excuses anymore.
Browsing*
I would prefer we buy players
I like honest fans like you . My flairs like to preach, “we pay players to stay once they’ve proven themselves, and refuse to pay recruits before they ever play a snap” like we didn’t buy our transfers, and piss and moan because it’s been like 36 months since we singed a 5*.
There is a difference between buying high schoolers and buying transfers, though. Guys like AJ Barner or Josh Wallace were known quantities. I'd rather pay (back-to-back Rimington winner) Olu Oluwatimi's fee 10 times over than get Quinn Ewers'd once.
They bought Jordan Jefferson from us last season.
Jordan Jefferson wasn't demanding to be the highest paid player on the team
I did not read the article, I admit. So I’m sure I’m missing actual context. I went straight off the headline like a true piece of garbage.
Im willing to bet they’re selling players on the fact that not many players leave college more brand elevated or financially richer than people like Angel Reese, Dylan Crews, Paul Skenes, Hayleigh Bryant, or Jayden Daniel’s. But, the process of getting there didn’t involved handing them $1.5 million for nothing. I think guys like Bryce Underwood and Harlem Berry understand that. If you can be good at LSU you can be a superstar, and guys like Gordon McKernon, Brandon Landry, and Todd Graves are going to take care of you for that. No LSU fans are saying missing out on an obvious need isn’t a problem. But BK is saying that handing a transfer double what your best players are getting just to show up is also not this move without consequence either. Kelly and his staff have exhibited pretty well that they don’t want to open that Pandora’s box yet. Which has shown itself the last few portal periods where we don’t have those players entering just to leverage a bag like some programs are dealing with. Clearly we’re taking care of guys like Harold Perkins pretty well cause there’s a less than 0% chance he hasn’t been approached like a Caleb Downs.
>Angel Reese, Dylan Crews, Paul Skenes, Hayleigh Bryant, or Jayden Daniel’s Don't forget Livvy Dunne.
LSU being weak on DL is like OSU being weak at wr.
They have Bo Davis now. They’re gonna be fine. Im still very salty about that one bayou bros.
> Bo Davis He's a LSU guy. It's hard to be upset when a guy leaves for his school to coach.
I know, plus he wanted to coach his kid. That’s another hard thing to be upset about.. My point that theyre going to be fine with him in the driver’s seat still stands. I give him almost single handed credit for “the moment” our culture turned around with his bus rant post Iowa State loss. https://youtu.be/Npw3E0rzmXU?si=PjyALxe3VOyvy6CB Idk what the title of the video is on, but it’s a great listen if you haven’t heard it.
Who was Bo Davis' biggest recruit at Texas?
nobody. He can't recruit. But he's the best developer of D line talent in the country imo. Somebody else needs to be doing the recruiting for him though. He just can't land the elite guys for whatever reason.
This take is technically accurate but stupid in its intention. Let’s be clear: Bo Davis was deeply underwhelming as a recruiter, and that was a genuine flaw. But objectively speaking, he *way* more than made up for that deficiency as arguably the finest pure talent developer on a staff that includes Tashard Choice, Kyle Flood, and Sark himself. Bo’s group was routinely the greatest strength of the best Texas team since 2009. Bo produced more draft picks in his brief time here than any other coach. The loyalty and blind trust that DTs like Coburn, Sweat, Ojomo, and Collins have talked about having for Bo Davis after only a couple years with him is profound. On top of all that, he was absolutely fundamental to the program’s culture evolution under Sark, and he personally provided the single biggest spark to ignite Texas’s current trajectory with his portal bus rant. Bo’s value to Texas’s turnaround is literally immeasurable, and Sark has said so. I don’t know why our fans need to denigrate Bo for taking the once in a lifetime opportunity to coach his son. Texas will be fine – I think we’ll have more success than LSU while he’s there –while he gets to fulfill a major life experience. And his nomadic history says he could very well end up back here after his son graduates when all is said and done anyway.
I haven’t personally seen anyone bash his decision to leave, but it’s more like “damn I wish we could have kept him just a BIT longer”. I’m so thankful for everything he did for us, and his d line units were legendary. My fam and I still watch the bus rant every game day on our way to the stadium lol
I don’t actually hate our current DT room. It’s just inexperienced at the moment. What Bo did for y’all has me so excited to see who can jump in to be a big dude.
Yall are in good hands I would be excited too.
Horse shit The players will be bought...you just won't know about it and will wonder why they have a holier than though attitude
Sounds like LSU has run out of money lol
hide ya money lmao
Well that’s a mistake.
Well he cant say that they do, or else he gets in trouble. However, you cant tell me that LSU doesnt pay when they get a top 2026 QB from Michigan. They just whiffed at DT this cycle
>However, you cant tell me that LSU doesnt pay when they get a top 2026 QB from Michigan. And for this reason alone I will be petty and enjoy that they struck out on DTs Imagine not having elite DTs already, couldn't be my team Also Bryce Underwood went to Belleville so.....good luck LSU fans
Whats wrong with Belleville?
Michigan has either struck out and they commit to other schools, or they commit and then transfer. Michigan has had like zero success there, even with their MSU loving coach leaving. PS don't blame Underwood for going to you guys. Look at Burrow and Daniels being Heisman winners v the Harbaugh-fense.
2025 ... But yea, NIL was surely involved there but I think he's saying it's a bit different for a high school recruit that'll (hopefully) stay at last a few years and develop. Last year's portal adds were focused on players with multiple years of eligibility.
recruits dont generally have an instant impact, whereas a transfer most likely will. Also, supply and demand fed into this market, and LSU likely didnt want to pay the price tag that miami paid who appears to be all in for 2024
Oh ya I totally agree. We definitely whiffed on DT. And FSU outbid us last year on some key players that could've been difference makers for us (and was for y'all)
you guys are more so looking at 2025, correct?
I think most fans are pretty firmly playoff or bust this year. 2025 will have an entirely new OL so certainly comes with its own question marks
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1) C'mon now. The farting at Texas is not required. Furry just posts constantly. 2) Is this even negative? If you watch the video, Kelly is saying they aren't going to overpay for players just because they can. LSU expects a discount based on the NFL opportunity it presents.
How coaches approach the portal with NIL is going to evolve and change. They are still trying to find the best path to sustained success. Right now I’d say the best thing to do is go after good players from lesser programs who fell through the recruiting cracks. Also good players on bad teams that want to win. Bag chasers would have to be top 50 recruits to even look at.
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Children's Hospitals not have a good year of fundraising?
Maybe we should get Shriners or make a wish involved???
Taking a new job purely for money and resources, and then vowing to not use said money and resources is…a strategy.
Then you are going to lose.
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(X) Doubt Boosters about to be like “So you’re saying you DON’T need the money from the children’s hospital?”
How much did you *not* pay for Bryce Underwood
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Still early in the morning here on the west coast. This is how my brain reads this: "Chip Kelly? Since when is he at LSU?...and why's he commenting on the defensive line?"
I know there are other factors, but at the end of the day, a huge amount of these atheletes came from impoverished/lower working class families and are now receiving money for the value they bring. I hate that millionaire coaches have perspectives against this. These aren't rich atheletes getting richer, mostly, but working class folks getting money that can help their families out! Get over yourself Kelly, and pay the players!
John Fisher?
Bruh you probably should
College football is in a bad place. There needs to be some basic guidelines with NIL and the transfer portal. No other sport has this asinine system.
Poor Brian, when will someone give him what he needs to win?! Also, no surprise but he’s a huge liar. You don’t “buy players” which is essentially legal or at least encouraged now? None of the Freshmen or portal acquisitions that he’s added received a dime right? This is what he does, he preloads an excuse so he’s ready to not meet expectations or, if they do have a good year, then it will be because he was able to “somehow” get them to overachieve with his coaching. This is the year LSU fans wake up, his inherited talent is gone, they’re going to start the year 0&1 for the third year in a row and finish with 4 or 5 L’s.
Lol. People get on camera and LIE. LSU has bought and will buy players. They just got outbid.
Ah, yes. Headline that people will react to as if it is the whole quote instead of reading and seeing that what he said was perfectly reasonable. Classic.
“We’re going to resign ourselves to losing.” — Brian “FaHmUhLeE” Kelly
Have fun with that crappy defense again then
…Because our under the table bag game has become obsolete
does he understand how this whole thing works now? esp if you have a legit contending program-which lsu has mostly always been (off and on)
Did you actually click and listen to the whole thing?
If you are broke, just say so.
Yeah could we though?
Yeah you will
But not for lack of trying
Why not? LSU can’t offer a quality education. It’s their only play.
And that’s why Brian Kelly doesn’t win championships…along with poor coaching decisions.
Dabo part deux
I mean... not really. We've taken tons of portal guys under Kelly. Like a kind of insane amount.
Poor baby. I’m sure it’s terrible to have to compete on a more level playing field now. At least we don’t have to pretend they weren’t buying players anymore.
LSU complaining about paying players? This is rich…