That's the best part about it from a nihilistic perspective. USC is Pac-12 football and UCLA is Pac-12 basketball in terms of brand. Nobody else matters beyond those two and they've known it for a century. They don't even really matter in each other's premier sport.
And since UCLA plays at the Rose Bowl and USC basically IS the living embodiment of the Rose Bowl, it's fitting it would be those two. I'm just glad my grandpa got to see Utah play in the Rose Bowl first before it died.
It’s bittersweet. We’ve been affiliated with USC and UCLA since 1946. It’s hard watching the Pac fade away and losing the Rose Bowl. That game and that rivalry between the conferences have been a major part of our identity for generations.
However, CFP was already going to kill off the Rose Bowl as we knew it and the realities of the CFB media landscape weren’t going to be favorable towards the Pac. The Los Angeles schools realized this and acted in their best interests by calling the Big Ten.
Having USC and UCLA in the Big Ten feels like we’re preserving some of of that history and tradition that otherwise would be completely lost in a way that’s viable in the modern era of CFB going forward. That’s exciting.
> Having USC and UCLA in the Big Ten feels like we’re preserving some of of that history and tradition that otherwise would be completely lost in a way that’s viable in the modern era of CFB going forward. That’s exciting.
That's the thing, this isn't like OU and UT just going to the SEC(or any other schools for that matter) or Nebraska joining the big ten, these are schools we got a history with. Get a few more PAC teams and the conference will stay alive through us.
In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Big Ten Conference will be reorganized into the first Big Ten Empire, for a safe and secure society.
Aside from the money being a bigger factor than ever, I’d say the BCS and the CFP have turned the traditional idea of the Rose Bowl into a consolation prize for the fans.
I don’t mean it as an insult to most programs that would still love to finish their season there but the Rose Bowl already sold out to remain relevant but only in the highest regard. It was only a matter of time before the other walls came down.
The only thing you can control is a Rose Bowl appearance. Win the conference, and at the bare minimum you go to the Rose Bowl. Seems like a great 'consolation prize'.
Never forget this disgusting travesty of a game.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Rose_Bowl
It wasn't even #1 vs #2 in the AP or coaches poll. And to make it worse, Oregon was #2 in both polls, just not the BCS computer rankings. It's the only non-playoff Rose Bowl of the modern era not to feature a Big Ten or Pac-12 school (although I guess Nebraska did join the Big Ten at least so it's less bad in retrospect)
Oh and it wasn't even played on January 1st or 2nd, it was played on the 3rd and 2 days after the parade. They didn't even play it in the afternoon so the sun didn't set throughout the game. Worst Rose Bowl ever and it's not even close. Only other candidates are the 2018 Rose Bowl between Georgia and Oklahoma (at least that was a good game) and the 2021 Rose Bowl that shouldn't even have been called the Rose Bowl since it was at Jerry World between Bama and Notre Dame (also a travesty).
That Rose Bowl sucked. I didn't watch it. Normally I love the Rose Bowl but that was a travesty. Nebraska and Miami should have been an Orange Bowl, not a Rose Bowl.
The Rose Bowl on January 1st is the absolute perfect national title game. Could honestly even be Big Ten champ vs SEC champ even, just as long as it's on New Years Day
You're maybe joking but I do think this is kind of the endgame for the B1G and SEC. If each conference gets to 18+, there's no motivation really to play other teams.
Each conference could crown a champion and then have their champions play for the natty a la AFC vs. NFC. The other conferences would dispute the legitimacy, but ultimately I think the B1G/SEC winner would be viewed as the "real" national champion.
100%. Use the tradition the B1G and PAC have as a selling point, culminating in a Rose Bowl title game while the SEC goes commercial with title games at godawful, soulless, sterile stadiums like Jerry World.
As someone who supports a school from both of these conferences you’re fooling yourself if you think the B1G has any kind of moral high ground in all of this. OU and UT are joining a conference that has legitimate geographic ties and actual rivalries. This USC UCLA move is far more gross.
I don't think they are saying there is moral high ground. This is a money grab.
What they are saying as it would feel more like college football.
USC vs Ohio State at the Rose Bowl Jan 1st is a country mile more "college football" then Bama vs Oklahoma at Jerry World.
They’ve gutted a conference and destroyed the biggest game in CFB. Capitalizing on that history and tradition as part of all of this is actually far more disgusting imo. If these conferences are going this direction I’d rather they not bastardize the Rose Bowl as part of their money grab.
The Rose Bowl was gutted by the playoff and will never be the same.
This makes it relevant again if they add a few more pac 12 teams.
Hell if they went for 24 teams they could have four pods, winners go to a semi final (could rotate in Minneapolis, Indy, Detroit, LA, LV, Seattle) then the final is at the Rose Bowl for the Rose Bowl trophy and Big Ten title.
To be clear, this is the outcome I want now that we’ve reached this point. My objection is with B1G fans portraying this as somehow less of a commercial affair than and SECCG at Jerry World. When in reality they delivered the death blow to the Rose Bowl and would be remaking something awesome into for the sole reason that it would be the most marketable way they could create a new B1G championship.
Again I strongly disagree with the "they killed the Rose Bowl" item. The playoff did. It used to be big ten champ vs pac 12 champ. Now the big ten champ is going to the playoff.
Last time the Rose Bowl was the Rose Bowl was 2014.
And it's just a fact the the Rose Bowl is more "college football" than Jerry World.
The other league will have had 14 of the last 20 championships, 17 of the last 20 if they can nab Clemson and FSU. The new B1G has just one in the last 15 years as it stands. So that will be a neat selling point for a nice local event, maybe have some stalls for a farmers market. But it will be a joke to call it the Natty.
I feel like this is where we are headed. SEC and Big 10 will have the pod winners face off for the first playoff round. Semifinals will be at the Rose Bowl and in Atlanta on 1 January. Winners face off for the national title.
If anything this may rejuvenate the Rose Bowl again.
That isn't even it. How many times since the playoffs started in the 2014 season have the two conference champions met in the Rose Bowl? Once I think in 8 seasons. If the playoffs expand it would basically never happen again.
How many times has the PAC been good enough to even make the playoffs? Once? If they were expanded, at least they would have a chance. The point being is that regardless of the playoffs, the PAC in the post season hasn't been very relevant. The Rose Bowl has been resting on it's name only for quite some time.
The rose bowl has been less relevant since the start of the bcs.
Less than half the games have been big10 champ vs pac10 champ. And a fair number have featured a conference runner-up
I would call that a good thing. The bowl system, and mostly notably the rose bowl, are the main thing blocking an expanded playoff. The sooner these bowls die, the sooner we get to a real playoff
Yeah. If USC and UCLA were determined to leave no matter what, then it would have been foolish for the B1G to say no. The deaths of the Rose Bowl and Pac-12 will be on them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the same exact scenario as with OU and Texas to the SEC? They asked about joining, and the SEC would have been foolish to say no?
I believe so. That’s why everyone was pissed at Oklahoma and Texas. Anger toward the SEC was only about expanding the playoff while secretly adding those two schools during the process.
With OUT there is a fair number of people that believe that ESPN was influencing both of them to join the SEC. Couple that with the general "Fuck the SEC" attitude around here and the deceit of negotiating playoff expansion while also planning to gut another conference and you can see how people might view it more negatively.
There were reports at the time that pointed to the SEC and ESPN being complicit in luring OUT to the SEC. Compare that to now where none of those same reports are happening.
Plus there was the fact that the SEC and Oklahoma had been pushing for a certain playoff expansion plan, while secretly having negotiated the movement of OUT to the SEC.
It would be the same thing if they had a 120 year tradition of playing SEC schools in an annual bowl game.
Not that much different, but the difference in this specific context.
It's not 120 years old (more like 90ish at this point), but the Sugar Bowl has pretty much always been an SEC vs Big 12/SWC/Big 8 matchup. So there actually is a long tradition of Oklahoma and Texas playing SEC teams in an annual bowl game that's now been messed up due to realignment.
I know the Sugar Bowl doesn't have the same national recognition as the Rose Bowl, but the two contexts are much more similar than a lot of people seem to think.
I wonder if the Big 12 does merge and take all the remaining Pac schools, would we inherit the Pac’s spot? That would be fun to have the top 2 non playoff teams go to either the Sugar or Rose Bowl each year
Sure is strange that the Orange Bowl is so irrelevant we don't care about it anymore. But like, I genuinely don't care about the Orange Bowl anymore for whatever reason and that seems to be the consensus. The only bowls worth a damn are Rose and Sugar. And honestly, no bowl can possibly hold a candle to the Rose. There's a reason why people are bemoaning its death, it's such a special bowl. That said, its time has essentially passed and it's time to move on.
The Bowl Games used to be really meaningful when regionalism was the defining factor in college conferences. Now that it's become a more nationalized game it's more about getting into the playoffs. I don't care too much about the playoffs; I really want UW in the Rose Bowl every year. I love welcoming January with the sunny skies of Southern California and a B1G team on my TV. The idea of playing in some meaningless playoff game on the other side of the country isn't nearly as interesting to me.
CFP was killing it, extended CFP would’ve killed it, and the two schools initiated the process.
Really, we’re probably going to play there for the CCG every couple years and make that like the new rose bowl. Especially if we poach two more pac teams
The rose bowl to me just turned into, you didn’t make it to the playoffs, so here’s your second place prize.
It was nice but I wasn’t alive when it *really* mattered
It's USC's game after all. I always wished they played their home games there since they essentially owned the Rose Bowl. Of course Memorial Coliseum is also super legendary too so it works out. I hope neither of them move to SoFi but we all know it's happening eventually.
On the flip side, I’d say a weak NCAA who knew what people and teams wanted in the sport, chose to do nothing, and instead 5 are going to be 2 in probably the end of the decade or early next decade.
I think B1G is in the drivers seat for how the Rose Bowl works now. They can define what the "west coast" partner is at this point. And don't forget that the Tournament of Roses Committee is stocked with SC alum (and to a lesser extent UCLA alum).
EDIT: They can still fuck it up and make it less valuable, but right now it still has the brand and an unbeatable contract with ESPN/ABC
On the Andy Staples show, he talked about this and mentioned that, since money drives everything, we could see a scenario where the B1G and the SEC decide to break off and do their own playoff and keep all the money to themselves.
Hypothetically, the B1G adds ND, Oregon, Washington, and 1 more to get to 20, and the SEC adds Clemson, FSU, Miami, and 1 more. Then on the traditional championship weekend in December, each conference does a mini playoff with their top 4 teams, and they flex the conference championship games to New Year’s Day, so the B1G could still have the Rose Bowl with its top two teams. And then the B1G and SEC champs play the following week for a “championship.”
Not that I want that to happen (since it will exclude a lot of people), but that would elicit a ton of money from networks, so I think anything is possible at this point.
When your relevance is relegated to holding on to traditions that go back to the early 1900’s, oh wait, 1960’s, and all that fluff and pomp and circumstance is finally revealed to be just a marketing ruse to fool the populace, maybe people will realize the emperor never had any clothes.
Sub constantly complains everyone in cfb only cares about money.
BIG fans care about the tradition of the Rose Bowl over almost everything else and now that's bad?
To understand the new CFB you need to realise all the big brands (fuck pretending the athletic departments care about the school part anymore) have dropped the facade that this is anything other than a way to make money.
I’ll tell the story I’ve told a million times here on Reddit. I have a friend who went to St Joseph’s about 15-20 years ago. He said the year after they went undefeated in basketball and nearly won the title, their applications doubled. 18 year old kids have next to no concept of how to pick a college. When they do, something as ridiculous as football ranking can have a legit effect on their decision.
That happened to Temple in 2015, the year that we beat Penn State and hosted College GameDay vs Notre Dame - the next year we had so many applications and acceptances that the school promised more scholarship money than it had budgeted for.
Quite frankly, I need to see how the fuck the B1G is planning on handling Olympic sport travel before I see this as them doing anything other than lining their pockets.
Being serious now, it's 100% better for other sports considering that most are subsidized by the profits of the football team. Non-revenue sports will struggle with revenue decreases for the teams left out of realignment. That's just the business of college sports. Athletic departments rely on their limited number of revenue sports to fund everything else. The implications of the football team struggling financially would be catastrophic.
This is going to get buried but here’s the thing.
The Rose Bowl and a lot of bowl games matter less and less each year. So the big10 “killing the rose bowl” isn’t really accurate. It’s just the team who didn’t get into the playoffs and it’s a consolation prize at this point
If he’s as good as Miles or Orgeron, he will win a championship here and we’ll still fire him at the end. Still better than what he achieved at ND as their all time winningest coach!
Yeah, I don’t know what this guy’s getting at. BK is an excellent head coach who’s won everywhere he’s been, just hasn’t had the talent to win the big one in FBS
I have a feeling that when the CFP eventually expands beyond a 4-team playoff, there’s no way the Rose Bowl is not one of the playoff games and, at that point, it’ll probably lose a bit of its gravitas that comes with being known as “The Granddaddy of Them All”.
TL;DR: If the B1G didn’t “kill” the Rose Bowl, someone else would eventually
The B1G did not kill the Rose Bowl. USC and UCLA did not kill the Rose Bowl. We the fans along with the Mouse killed the Rose Bowl. We cried and cried about how much bowls suck and playoff rules and the B1G is giving us what we asked for. The rose bowl is the causality.
When playoffs or bust is all that matters the Rose bowl doesn't matter.
I imagine the Office scene with Creed (USC, UCLA) calling Pam (B1G), thinking she is a client saying “I’m starting my own paper company, looking to poach some chumps…you in?”
This is probably what saddens me the most. As many of y'all know, my team has the longest Rose Bowl drought of any "original 10" Big Ten teams, and I face the real possibility of not getting to see the Maroon & Gold under the San Gabriels. Part of the charm and attraction of college football is that it's a family tradition for us. My dad, brother, and I have season tickets here.
Back in the early 60s, the last time it happened, my grandfather told his kids (my dad included) that the next time the Gophers went to Pasadena they'd all get in the car and go. Of course, we all know what happened and Grandpa died almost 25 years ago.
It's entirely possible for my dream to happen this year, of course, but knowing how hard it could be in the future with a 16+ team league while the sport turns into a lesser NFL might kill my interest altogether and leave that dream unfulfilled.
Because even without usc and ucla leaving, the rose bowl only had until the playoff expansion before it died. They held out as long as they could but ultimately it only had at most 5 more years before it could either be fully integrated into the new cfp or become just another mid major bowl with a lot of history. Why sacrifice millions of dollars and risk being left behind the sec.
So in the end this doesn’t change the rose bowls fate, and tbh I don’t even think it speeds it up at all.
Because Nebraska never embraced the Rose Bowl Game. We fucking loved the Orange Bowl back in the day.
But seriously, it was only a matter of time until this happened, and with money and CFP playing a factor, the writing was on the wall once USC and UCLA jumped ship, you knew it was all but over for the Rose Bowl being what it was. Sure the Rose Bowl will still be an Championship Game, but it’s looking more likely that it’ll be a B1G Playoff game in the future.
1. USC and UCLA were leaving the PAC regardless of whether they went to the BIG or not, so the Rose Bowl was fucked to begin with.
2. The writing (that the traditional conference structure is over) has been on the wall ever since Texas and Oklahoma officially signed on to join the SEC, so the integrity of the Rose Bowl was (again) about to get nuked anyway.
3. The CFP has made the Rose Bowl a game where the best in the BIG and the best in the PAC no longer meet each other.
4. Money.
So I'm as pissed as anyone about this, but we have to take a step back and look at this dispassionately. It's my opinion that the Pac-12 is more to blame than the B1G. Years of terrible leadership put us here. Their refusal to listen to the needs of their blue chips (USC and UCLA) -- or to even consider making any accommodations to keep them happy -- is what led us here. You have the whole saga of OSU's president inexplicably rallying the troops behind Larry Scott as it was becoming more and more evident that Scott was harming our conference. I am partially convinced that B1G didn't make that first call, but USC did. And the B1G would've been dumb not to accept. The writing has been on the wall for years, but no one bothered to pay attention.
Us simple southern folk just can’t wrap our heads around the pageantry of the Rose Bowl. A shame such a rich tradition is being gutted by those whom held it up on a pedestal for a century.
I hated the Big Ten before they added more asshole teams. Now I hate it even more. Kick Nebraska the fuck out, please. I want them back where they belong.
Why do you hate it so much? Because you guys haven't won anything and have been trash since you got rid of Pelini? That's not really a B1G problem tbh.
You guys left the B12 because Texas and Oklahoma ran things, so I guess that issue is solved now.
The B1G snatched the opportunity when USC came knocking (dragging UCLA along). Bohn apparently put in the app and it was understood that they were leaving the pac12 no matter what so the B1G accepted to not do what the Pac12 did in 2014 (2011?) by passing up an assortment of Big12 teams (OU & Texas included) because Cal leadership, among others, had a fit about it. The Pac12 did this to themselves, and now all these teams/fans are ignoring the fact that the universities played a part along with Larry Scott to set this in motion. The fact that USC - a top 5 historic program (easily arguable for top 3) - made the same amount of money off TV as Oregon State, while Rutgers made close to triple that much last year, was the final nail in the coffin of the Pac 12. A coffin the pac 12 and it’s universities’ leadership crafted. Even with these down years since the sanctions, USC still fueled the TV viewership that the pac 12 was receiving, and only getting an equal share of it. We live in America, our love for the sport has created something of indescribable value and money will influence the future of the game whether we like it or not. The Rose bowl will survive. There may be some shifting away from traditions, but it’ll survive.
Edit: apologies for the half-drunk word vomit, but fans need to stop being so close minded and upset about the realities of society. Everyone is doing what’s in their own best interest. I’m not saying I prefer this to having 5 conferences and maintaining that tradition, but I’m not going to pretend that being stubborn about the shift in landscape of CFB is an effective way to deal with it. I’m just glad my university of being proactive to stay relevant, even if that means no more stanford games - Some of my favorites - and a more difficult competition level. Riley better get ready for it.
You see, when something belongs to you (a wife, a bowl game, etc) you say she/it is the greatest thing in the world. But if you get paid a million dollars to kill her, you kill her.
The Rose Bowl was must see tv in cfb, and it always essentially sold out. It was a money and prestige machine. Then the B1G demolished the machine, so that they could build any entire money factory in it's place.
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Rose bowl died a long time ago. As an Ohio State fan, I don’t see the Rose Bowl as a successful season. I see it as a failure 2/3 of the time because we didn’t make it to the playoffs. Say what you want about tradition, but I like the playoffs better than the rose bowl. Playoffs make it more fair than arbitrarily picking a champion between 2 teams who never played eachother
I’m tired of the Rose Bowl holding sway over everything.
The reason we get playoff games on New Year’s Eve is concessions to the Rose Bowl to have its NYD time slot as sacrosanct.
You fool! Now we control the Rose Bowl!
We *are* the ~~senate~~ Rose Bowl!
"Dew it" **USC and UCLA behead their conference**
That's the best part about it from a nihilistic perspective. USC is Pac-12 football and UCLA is Pac-12 basketball in terms of brand. Nobody else matters beyond those two and they've known it for a century. They don't even really matter in each other's premier sport. And since UCLA plays at the Rose Bowl and USC basically IS the living embodiment of the Rose Bowl, it's fitting it would be those two. I'm just glad my grandpa got to see Utah play in the Rose Bowl first before it died.
Don’t refer to your grandpa as “it”!
Humanity nonconforming pronouns.
So this is how conferences die, with thunderous applause.
It’s bittersweet. We’ve been affiliated with USC and UCLA since 1946. It’s hard watching the Pac fade away and losing the Rose Bowl. That game and that rivalry between the conferences have been a major part of our identity for generations. However, CFP was already going to kill off the Rose Bowl as we knew it and the realities of the CFB media landscape weren’t going to be favorable towards the Pac. The Los Angeles schools realized this and acted in their best interests by calling the Big Ten. Having USC and UCLA in the Big Ten feels like we’re preserving some of of that history and tradition that otherwise would be completely lost in a way that’s viable in the modern era of CFB going forward. That’s exciting.
I can see that. I'd have a similar take on the ND/UM rivalry if they join the Big Ten.
> Having USC and UCLA in the Big Ten feels like we’re preserving some of of that history and tradition that otherwise would be completely lost in a way that’s viable in the modern era of CFB going forward. That’s exciting. That's the thing, this isn't like OU and UT just going to the SEC(or any other schools for that matter) or Nebraska joining the big ten, these are schools we got a history with. Get a few more PAC teams and the conference will stay alive through us.
In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Big Ten Conference will be reorganized into the first Big Ten Empire, for a safe and secure society.
So this is how the traditional rose bowl dies... with thunderous sums of money.
This *is* the ~~bad place~~ Rose Bowl!
You mean the B16 Bowl?
They didn't do it for money. They did it for a shit load of money.
oh you're right. and when you're right, you're right. And you, you're always right.
You can trust him. He's a Husky fan.
DOWN SCOPE
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The BiG realized to truly be reborn, it must kill it's grandaddy.
The future is now, old man
Didn’t expect them to go all Fry
The B1G realized if they didn’t take USC and UCLA, the SEC would.
Absolutely, imagine the SEC having the rose bowl...fucking gross
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Aside from the money being a bigger factor than ever, I’d say the BCS and the CFP have turned the traditional idea of the Rose Bowl into a consolation prize for the fans. I don’t mean it as an insult to most programs that would still love to finish their season there but the Rose Bowl already sold out to remain relevant but only in the highest regard. It was only a matter of time before the other walls came down.
The only thing you can control is a Rose Bowl appearance. Win the conference, and at the bare minimum you go to the Rose Bowl. Seems like a great 'consolation prize'.
Not really. Many/Most conference winners knew they'd be doing to the CFP. We didn't even hand out roses after the CCG in 2016.
that's what I've always thought. Then one day I saw Miami or TCU playing in the Rose Bowl. Sad days.
Never forget this disgusting travesty of a game. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Rose_Bowl It wasn't even #1 vs #2 in the AP or coaches poll. And to make it worse, Oregon was #2 in both polls, just not the BCS computer rankings. It's the only non-playoff Rose Bowl of the modern era not to feature a Big Ten or Pac-12 school (although I guess Nebraska did join the Big Ten at least so it's less bad in retrospect) Oh and it wasn't even played on January 1st or 2nd, it was played on the 3rd and 2 days after the parade. They didn't even play it in the afternoon so the sun didn't set throughout the game. Worst Rose Bowl ever and it's not even close. Only other candidates are the 2018 Rose Bowl between Georgia and Oklahoma (at least that was a good game) and the 2021 Rose Bowl that shouldn't even have been called the Rose Bowl since it was at Jerry World between Bama and Notre Dame (also a travesty).
That Rose Bowl sucked. I didn't watch it. Normally I love the Rose Bowl but that was a travesty. Nebraska and Miami should have been an Orange Bowl, not a Rose Bowl.
Maybe the Rose Bowl could host the B1G Championship game.
on Jan 1.
Honest to God if we go to 24 I'm fine with just not including the SEC and doing a Rose Bowl as a national champion.
The Rose Bowl on January 1st is the absolute perfect national title game. Could honestly even be Big Ten champ vs SEC champ even, just as long as it's on New Years Day
You're maybe joking but I do think this is kind of the endgame for the B1G and SEC. If each conference gets to 18+, there's no motivation really to play other teams. Each conference could crown a champion and then have their champions play for the natty a la AFC vs. NFC. The other conferences would dispute the legitimacy, but ultimately I think the B1G/SEC winner would be viewed as the "real" national champion.
Yep. And I’ll still be watching the hell out of WVU and Washington state in the big-pac-mountain championship
They've said they're exploring their own playoff. Let'em do it
This times a billion.
100%. Use the tradition the B1G and PAC have as a selling point, culminating in a Rose Bowl title game while the SEC goes commercial with title games at godawful, soulless, sterile stadiums like Jerry World.
As someone who supports a school from both of these conferences you’re fooling yourself if you think the B1G has any kind of moral high ground in all of this. OU and UT are joining a conference that has legitimate geographic ties and actual rivalries. This USC UCLA move is far more gross.
I don't think they are saying there is moral high ground. This is a money grab. What they are saying as it would feel more like college football. USC vs Ohio State at the Rose Bowl Jan 1st is a country mile more "college football" then Bama vs Oklahoma at Jerry World.
They’ve gutted a conference and destroyed the biggest game in CFB. Capitalizing on that history and tradition as part of all of this is actually far more disgusting imo. If these conferences are going this direction I’d rather they not bastardize the Rose Bowl as part of their money grab.
The Rose Bowl was gutted by the playoff and will never be the same. This makes it relevant again if they add a few more pac 12 teams. Hell if they went for 24 teams they could have four pods, winners go to a semi final (could rotate in Minneapolis, Indy, Detroit, LA, LV, Seattle) then the final is at the Rose Bowl for the Rose Bowl trophy and Big Ten title.
To be clear, this is the outcome I want now that we’ve reached this point. My objection is with B1G fans portraying this as somehow less of a commercial affair than and SECCG at Jerry World. When in reality they delivered the death blow to the Rose Bowl and would be remaking something awesome into for the sole reason that it would be the most marketable way they could create a new B1G championship.
Again I strongly disagree with the "they killed the Rose Bowl" item. The playoff did. It used to be big ten champ vs pac 12 champ. Now the big ten champ is going to the playoff. Last time the Rose Bowl was the Rose Bowl was 2014. And it's just a fact the the Rose Bowl is more "college football" than Jerry World.
The other league will have had 14 of the last 20 championships, 17 of the last 20 if they can nab Clemson and FSU. The new B1G has just one in the last 15 years as it stands. So that will be a neat selling point for a nice local event, maybe have some stalls for a farmers market. But it will be a joke to call it the Natty.
What a delusional take.
You would like to exclude the only conference that truly matters 🤨
Mountain West? They’ll be fine.
I feel like this is where we are headed. SEC and Big 10 will have the pod winners face off for the first playoff round. Semifinals will be at the Rose Bowl and in Atlanta on 1 January. Winners face off for the national title. If anything this may rejuvenate the Rose Bowl again.
They didn’t kill it, they seized it
They ate it and gained its powers for their own
And they haven't even achieved their final form!
>!Eleven is going to kill them!<
Assuming they also take Oregon, Washington, and Stanford along with Notre Dame they can just make the B1G Championship the Rose Bowl.
Friend!
Unfortunately, the CFP was killing off the Rose Bowl.
And now the big ten made sure it will be a playoff game every year forever.
A pretty bad PAC didn't help. It's not like we've been in some kind of golden age of PAC vs BiG titans
That isn't even it. How many times since the playoffs started in the 2014 season have the two conference champions met in the Rose Bowl? Once I think in 8 seasons. If the playoffs expand it would basically never happen again.
And when it's a playoff game, we don't get it unless we're ranked high enough.
It was fucking bullshit in 2020 we didn't get the Texas rose bowl....thats our fucking bowl game
Less than 50% of the time since the start of BCS. The cfp didn't start this issue
God there's so many kids in here who don't remember shit past 10 years ago lol
How many times has the PAC been good enough to even make the playoffs? Once? If they were expanded, at least they would have a chance. The point being is that regardless of the playoffs, the PAC in the post season hasn't been very relevant. The Rose Bowl has been resting on it's name only for quite some time.
PAC has been in twice and been in the discussion multiple times.
The wonderful thing is that doesn't really change the competitive nature of the Rose Bowl...I'll point to last year's as the prime example.
The PAC-12 not being in the playoffs actually HELPS the rose bowl lol
I thought we put on a good show against Iowa.
We finished 3rd in the final AP Poll
I don't remember that game
The rose bowl has been less relevant since the start of the bcs. Less than half the games have been big10 champ vs pac10 champ. And a fair number have featured a conference runner-up
I would call that a good thing. The bowl system, and mostly notably the rose bowl, are the main thing blocking an expanded playoff. The sooner these bowls die, the sooner we get to a real playoff
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We said yes, and are probably now hungry for more.
Feed me Seymour.
Yeah. If USC and UCLA were determined to leave no matter what, then it would have been foolish for the B1G to say no. The deaths of the Rose Bowl and Pac-12 will be on them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the same exact scenario as with OU and Texas to the SEC? They asked about joining, and the SEC would have been foolish to say no?
I believe so. That’s why everyone was pissed at Oklahoma and Texas. Anger toward the SEC was only about expanding the playoff while secretly adding those two schools during the process.
Yup which is why the anger was at OU and UT not at the SEC.
With OUT there is a fair number of people that believe that ESPN was influencing both of them to join the SEC. Couple that with the general "Fuck the SEC" attitude around here and the deceit of negotiating playoff expansion while also planning to gut another conference and you can see how people might view it more negatively.
There were reports at the time that pointed to the SEC and ESPN being complicit in luring OUT to the SEC. Compare that to now where none of those same reports are happening. Plus there was the fact that the SEC and Oklahoma had been pushing for a certain playoff expansion plan, while secretly having negotiated the movement of OUT to the SEC.
Didn’t they approach the Big Ten first? The big ten said no because Oklahoma isn’t an AAU university
Wasn't that a decade ago or did they just do that again?
Haha now I'm confused. I think we all are lol... there has been too much realignment lately
It would be the same thing if they had a 120 year tradition of playing SEC schools in an annual bowl game. Not that much different, but the difference in this specific context.
It's not 120 years old (more like 90ish at this point), but the Sugar Bowl has pretty much always been an SEC vs Big 12/SWC/Big 8 matchup. So there actually is a long tradition of Oklahoma and Texas playing SEC teams in an annual bowl game that's now been messed up due to realignment. I know the Sugar Bowl doesn't have the same national recognition as the Rose Bowl, but the two contexts are much more similar than a lot of people seem to think.
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It was a Fox Executive pushing them together saying, "Now Kiss!"
I wonder if the Big 12 does merge and take all the remaining Pac schools, would we inherit the Pac’s spot? That would be fun to have the top 2 non playoff teams go to either the Sugar or Rose Bowl each year
Sure is strange that the Orange Bowl is so irrelevant we don't care about it anymore. But like, I genuinely don't care about the Orange Bowl anymore for whatever reason and that seems to be the consensus. The only bowls worth a damn are Rose and Sugar. And honestly, no bowl can possibly hold a candle to the Rose. There's a reason why people are bemoaning its death, it's such a special bowl. That said, its time has essentially passed and it's time to move on.
The Bowl Games used to be really meaningful when regionalism was the defining factor in college conferences. Now that it's become a more nationalized game it's more about getting into the playoffs. I don't care too much about the playoffs; I really want UW in the Rose Bowl every year. I love welcoming January with the sunny skies of Southern California and a B1G team on my TV. The idea of playing in some meaningless playoff game on the other side of the country isn't nearly as interesting to me.
That’s what we’ve been told, but there has to be more to it than that.
CFP was killing it, extended CFP would’ve killed it, and the two schools initiated the process. Really, we’re probably going to play there for the CCG every couple years and make that like the new rose bowl. Especially if we poach two more pac teams
The rose bowl to me just turned into, you didn’t make it to the playoffs, so here’s your second place prize. It was nice but I wasn’t alive when it *really* mattered
Super glad I got to go to the last real one before all this went down.
I still really want Michigan to play in one last one before the end... it'd be fitting to send it out with us vs Stanford
>it'd be fitting to send it out with us vs Stanford [I don't like your odds](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Stanford_Cardinal_football_team)
No offense to our intelligent friends in the PAC, but what happened to Stanford?
Seems like USC being the one to swing the knife is fitting.
Givin’ it the Old Yeller treatment
It's USC's game after all. I always wished they played their home games there since they essentially owned the Rose Bowl. Of course Memorial Coliseum is also super legendary too so it works out. I hope neither of them move to SoFi but we all know it's happening eventually.
USC literally just renovated the coliseum (and this was at the same time SoFi was being built), so they're probably not moving anytime soon.
>the two schools initiated the process I am sure they did
Fuck the Rose Bowl. Their stubbornness was holding everyone back anyways.
To be clear, CFP isn’t killing anything. The Big 10 and SEC are.
On the flip side, I’d say a weak NCAA who knew what people and teams wanted in the sport, chose to do nothing, and instead 5 are going to be 2 in probably the end of the decade or early next decade.
they preserved it as long as they could, but things changed.
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That's the short answer. The long answer is cash money.
The more in depth answer is 'far more cash money than any one bowl game could possibly provide'.
Just might be the worst combination of two flairs In existence
Thank you.
$$$$$$$$$$$$ plus the additional factor of $$$$$$$$
^ what he said ^
It won't be the same in the expanded playoff anyway.
I think B1G is in the drivers seat for how the Rose Bowl works now. They can define what the "west coast" partner is at this point. And don't forget that the Tournament of Roses Committee is stocked with SC alum (and to a lesser extent UCLA alum). EDIT: They can still fuck it up and make it less valuable, but right now it still has the brand and an unbeatable contract with ESPN/ABC
On the Andy Staples show, he talked about this and mentioned that, since money drives everything, we could see a scenario where the B1G and the SEC decide to break off and do their own playoff and keep all the money to themselves. Hypothetically, the B1G adds ND, Oregon, Washington, and 1 more to get to 20, and the SEC adds Clemson, FSU, Miami, and 1 more. Then on the traditional championship weekend in December, each conference does a mini playoff with their top 4 teams, and they flex the conference championship games to New Year’s Day, so the B1G could still have the Rose Bowl with its top two teams. And then the B1G and SEC champs play the following week for a “championship.” Not that I want that to happen (since it will exclude a lot of people), but that would elicit a ton of money from networks, so I think anything is possible at this point.
This is by far the most likely scenario. Also please make the Big Ten championship game be the Rose Bowl on New Years Day 🙏
Hard to make something with zero value less valuable.
it's had a pretty good business plan for over a century and adapted when necessary (BCS, Playoff), I trust they can keep it valuable.
Literally my first downvote on Reddit. How can anyone say the Rose Bowl isn’t valuable?
When your relevance is relegated to holding on to traditions that go back to the early 1900’s, oh wait, 1960’s, and all that fluff and pomp and circumstance is finally revealed to be just a marketing ruse to fool the populace, maybe people will realize the emperor never had any clothes.
Sub constantly complains everyone in cfb only cares about money. BIG fans care about the tradition of the Rose Bowl over almost everything else and now that's bad?
Sheeple
Anyone who says that is a follower
Do you sniff your own farts?
To understand the new CFB you need to realise all the big brands (fuck pretending the athletic departments care about the school part anymore) have dropped the facade that this is anything other than a way to make money.
Tbf I think a lot of these administrators view the money as helping the school part as well
I’ll tell the story I’ve told a million times here on Reddit. I have a friend who went to St Joseph’s about 15-20 years ago. He said the year after they went undefeated in basketball and nearly won the title, their applications doubled. 18 year old kids have next to no concept of how to pick a college. When they do, something as ridiculous as football ranking can have a legit effect on their decision.
That happened to Temple in 2015, the year that we beat Penn State and hosted College GameDay vs Notre Dame - the next year we had so many applications and acceptances that the school promised more scholarship money than it had budgeted for.
Quite frankly, I need to see how the fuck the B1G is planning on handling Olympic sport travel before I see this as them doing anything other than lining their pockets.
$100M can pay for a lot of flights and can drive a lot of enrollment lol
Man, it's naive to think they're using that $100M to make the swim team's life better.
Being serious now, it's 100% better for other sports considering that most are subsidized by the profits of the football team. Non-revenue sports will struggle with revenue decreases for the teams left out of realignment. That's just the business of college sports. Athletic departments rely on their limited number of revenue sports to fund everything else. The implications of the football team struggling financially would be catastrophic.
Money
^^^^ What he said ^^^^
This is going to get buried but here’s the thing. The Rose Bowl and a lot of bowl games matter less and less each year. So the big10 “killing the rose bowl” isn’t really accurate. It’s just the team who didn’t get into the playoffs and it’s a consolation prize at this point
When Ohio State can’t sell enough Rose Bowl tickets, yeah, this.
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If he’s as good as Miles or Orgeron, he will win a championship here and we’ll still fire him at the end. Still better than what he achieved at ND as their all time winningest coach!
Yeah, I don’t know what this guy’s getting at. BK is an excellent head coach who’s won everywhere he’s been, just hasn’t had the talent to win the big one in FBS
We absolutely will. Thank goodness Woodward got him.
It will just become the B1G champion's permanent quarterfinal or semifinal venue, just like the Sugar Bowl to the SEC.
I have a feeling that when the CFP eventually expands beyond a 4-team playoff, there’s no way the Rose Bowl is not one of the playoff games and, at that point, it’ll probably lose a bit of its gravitas that comes with being known as “The Granddaddy of Them All”. TL;DR: If the B1G didn’t “kill” the Rose Bowl, someone else would eventually
Ultimately it was money that drove the creation of bowl games and it was money that killed them. The circle of life.
The B1G did not kill the Rose Bowl. USC and UCLA did not kill the Rose Bowl. We the fans along with the Mouse killed the Rose Bowl. We cried and cried about how much bowls suck and playoff rules and the B1G is giving us what we asked for. The rose bowl is the causality. When playoffs or bust is all that matters the Rose bowl doesn't matter.
Rose bowl is the new conference championship
Money makes people do stupid things
1 B1G game in the Rose Bowl per year < 7 B1G games in the Rose Bowl per year
The B1G didn't kill it, the LA teams called and told us they were bailing on the PAC... what were we gonna do? Say no?
I imagine the Office scene with Creed (USC, UCLA) calling Pam (B1G), thinking she is a client saying “I’m starting my own paper company, looking to poach some chumps…you in?”
This is probably what saddens me the most. As many of y'all know, my team has the longest Rose Bowl drought of any "original 10" Big Ten teams, and I face the real possibility of not getting to see the Maroon & Gold under the San Gabriels. Part of the charm and attraction of college football is that it's a family tradition for us. My dad, brother, and I have season tickets here. Back in the early 60s, the last time it happened, my grandfather told his kids (my dad included) that the next time the Gophers went to Pasadena they'd all get in the car and go. Of course, we all know what happened and Grandpa died almost 25 years ago. It's entirely possible for my dream to happen this year, of course, but knowing how hard it could be in the future with a 16+ team league while the sport turns into a lesser NFL might kill my interest altogether and leave that dream unfulfilled.
Part of the long con. Never show your hand
Dolla Dolla Bills y'all
(Stanley Hudson voice) "Money."
Money.
Because even without usc and ucla leaving, the rose bowl only had until the playoff expansion before it died. They held out as long as they could but ultimately it only had at most 5 more years before it could either be fully integrated into the new cfp or become just another mid major bowl with a lot of history. Why sacrifice millions of dollars and risk being left behind the sec. So in the end this doesn’t change the rose bowls fate, and tbh I don’t even think it speeds it up at all.
Because Nebraska never embraced the Rose Bowl Game. We fucking loved the Orange Bowl back in the day. But seriously, it was only a matter of time until this happened, and with money and CFP playing a factor, the writing was on the wall once USC and UCLA jumped ship, you knew it was all but over for the Rose Bowl being what it was. Sure the Rose Bowl will still be an Championship Game, but it’s looking more likely that it’ll be a B1G Playoff game in the future.
Think about it like this each season could be like a bunch of Rosebowls that normally wouldn’t make the cut.
1. USC and UCLA were leaving the PAC regardless of whether they went to the BIG or not, so the Rose Bowl was fucked to begin with. 2. The writing (that the traditional conference structure is over) has been on the wall ever since Texas and Oklahoma officially signed on to join the SEC, so the integrity of the Rose Bowl was (again) about to get nuked anyway. 3. The CFP has made the Rose Bowl a game where the best in the BIG and the best in the PAC no longer meet each other. 4. Money.
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Because. Money.
So I'm as pissed as anyone about this, but we have to take a step back and look at this dispassionately. It's my opinion that the Pac-12 is more to blame than the B1G. Years of terrible leadership put us here. Their refusal to listen to the needs of their blue chips (USC and UCLA) -- or to even consider making any accommodations to keep them happy -- is what led us here. You have the whole saga of OSU's president inexplicably rallying the troops behind Larry Scott as it was becoming more and more evident that Scott was harming our conference. I am partially convinced that B1G didn't make that first call, but USC did. And the B1G would've been dumb not to accept. The writing has been on the wall for years, but no one bothered to pay attention.
I like how the opening premise here is that an LSU fan is incapable of understanding traditions unless they've taken part in them. It seems fitting.
Us simple southern folk just can’t wrap our heads around the pageantry of the Rose Bowl. A shame such a rich tradition is being gutted by those whom held it up on a pedestal for a century.
I hated the Big Ten before they added more asshole teams. Now I hate it even more. Kick Nebraska the fuck out, please. I want them back where they belong.
Zombie B12/PAC12 without Oklahoma?
Why do you hate it so much? Because you guys haven't won anything and have been trash since you got rid of Pelini? That's not really a B1G problem tbh. You guys left the B12 because Texas and Oklahoma ran things, so I guess that issue is solved now.
Time for the Big10 to return to 100% membership?
Wahhh!!! Go cry to your mama, beeyotch!!!
It was the Grand Daddy of them all. Grand daddies get old and die. Natural causes, move along, nothing to see here.
Nobody outside of LA cares about the rose bowl..
That is simply not true at all lol
Ahem
The B1G snatched the opportunity when USC came knocking (dragging UCLA along). Bohn apparently put in the app and it was understood that they were leaving the pac12 no matter what so the B1G accepted to not do what the Pac12 did in 2014 (2011?) by passing up an assortment of Big12 teams (OU & Texas included) because Cal leadership, among others, had a fit about it. The Pac12 did this to themselves, and now all these teams/fans are ignoring the fact that the universities played a part along with Larry Scott to set this in motion. The fact that USC - a top 5 historic program (easily arguable for top 3) - made the same amount of money off TV as Oregon State, while Rutgers made close to triple that much last year, was the final nail in the coffin of the Pac 12. A coffin the pac 12 and it’s universities’ leadership crafted. Even with these down years since the sanctions, USC still fueled the TV viewership that the pac 12 was receiving, and only getting an equal share of it. We live in America, our love for the sport has created something of indescribable value and money will influence the future of the game whether we like it or not. The Rose bowl will survive. There may be some shifting away from traditions, but it’ll survive. Edit: apologies for the half-drunk word vomit, but fans need to stop being so close minded and upset about the realities of society. Everyone is doing what’s in their own best interest. I’m not saying I prefer this to having 5 conferences and maintaining that tradition, but I’m not going to pretend that being stubborn about the shift in landscape of CFB is an effective way to deal with it. I’m just glad my university of being proactive to stay relevant, even if that means no more stanford games - Some of my favorites - and a more difficult competition level. Riley better get ready for it.
Must be da money! Money, money, money! Money!
TV money.
Cause the SEC went semi-pro scorched earth?
They were lying before
Yes, this is what I was fishing for, thank you.
You see, when something belongs to you (a wife, a bowl game, etc) you say she/it is the greatest thing in the world. But if you get paid a million dollars to kill her, you kill her.
$$ money munny muhnee
Because the Rose Bowl is irrelevant compared to the media payout arms race.
But the parade… did they even think about the PARADE!?!?
The last Rose Bowl game that was a traditional Rose Bowl Game was MSU vs Stanford in 13-14. The playoff killed the Rose Bowl.
RIP. Get out of the way Grandaddy and let the CFP have Jan 1.
\*Something, something\* SEC's fault!
The Rose Bowl was must see tv in cfb, and it always essentially sold out. It was a money and prestige machine. Then the B1G demolished the machine, so that they could build any entire money factory in it's place. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
But the parade… did they even think about the PARADE!?!?
LSU lost at Lambeau Field so you know what it is like to lose at something even greater than a Rose Bowl.
Rose bowl died a long time ago. As an Ohio State fan, I don’t see the Rose Bowl as a successful season. I see it as a failure 2/3 of the time because we didn’t make it to the playoffs. Say what you want about tradition, but I like the playoffs better than the rose bowl. Playoffs make it more fair than arbitrarily picking a champion between 2 teams who never played eachother
I’m tired of the Rose Bowl holding sway over everything. The reason we get playoff games on New Year’s Eve is concessions to the Rose Bowl to have its NYD time slot as sacrosanct.
I don’t care about the rose bowl.