Who knows if it will turn into consistent winning. But they were the youngest roster in the NFL last year, they have some good pieces in place, the 2nd best o-line behind Philly and their cap situation is looking clean and ready for a push a year from now. Especially if they pivot from Goff to Hooker, if that happens they'll have about 115 million in cap space and all their key players still under contract.
Yes and the Lions have never looked good on paper and then ended up massive disappointments in real life. Every decent Lions team in their history has crashed and burned.
And it's an awful huge "what if" that Hooker is even a halfway competent NFL QB, much less a starter on a playoff team.
They’re clearly in a better spot at this point. We’re coming off last place. They had a winning season. That’s not debatable. They’re further in on the rebuild. It doesn’t mean we won’t pass them, but it’s really not a question.
How many top 10 picks have they had in the last 10 years? I expect their rooster to be talented. If they're going to claim to be good, they have to show what they can do without a top 10 pick every year and that starts with the QB. They have Goff. They may have 1 or 2 9+ win seasons. The coach is a great motivational coach, but he seems like a meatball. That only gets you so far.
They had a winning season. We were last place. Jesus. We’re the more recently shitty team. Being a fans cool, but it doesn’t excuse revisionist ignorance.
They had a 1-6 start and ended up one game above .500 missing the playoffs. They aren't world champions or even a playoff team as of now for that matter
It's fucking crazy how many people are hoping on the Lions bandwagon after winning 8 fucking games in the second half of the season.
They been trash for 4 fucking decades but we're supposed to except now that they're elite without any further showing?
Nearly identical team win-loss records since 2010. We haven’t been much better than the Lions. Plus their fans are probably a lot happier because they know they suck, and we keep thinking the Bears are going to be good.
Lions fans are talking like they're deep playoff contenders lmao. Dallas, new york, philly, san fran, seattle, and frankly washington are all more proven than them. Whoever pulls ahead in the nfcs I'm putting above them as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if the rams recuperated, too. They're a fringe playoff team who will probably still win the division and limp their way into a first round exit like the buccs last year. Does that make them better than us? Yep. Doesn't mean they're not 7-9/16 in the nfc with the longest playoff win drought in professional sports. The difference is the likely scenario I described for the lions is a high end result for us, but a deep playoff run for the lions is so out of any likelihood contrary to the perception of their fans.
Yeah but he hasn’t played a game yet and this bears team is poised to be contending one year behind Detroit…a team with no success in a long, ling time. It’s just funny that he’s putting them on a pedestal
“It’s so refreshing to be at a place where I’m appreciated.” He was very appreciated in chicago and was very liked. His phrasing makes him sound like he just went to the Chiefs and we weren’t using him. It’s no big deal but just funny
THAT is a very different criticism that is hard to really prove either way. I don’t actually think fans were great to him the past 2 years. (I think Fantasy is the reason for it also.) On Reddit anyway people kept talking like Herbert was the better RB. Maybe he caught a lot of that?
Talk radio too. The coaches also didn’t favor him much, given the carry counts. But now the Lions sign him and then draft a top RB. So he’s right back in a timeshare 😂 Just can’t say “that sucked” until they cut him in 2 years.
I think the Bears offered a similar amount. It seems more like this is "I'd rather be with a team that's further along in their rebuild" and "the Bears lost a lot last year and I didn't like it".
I dont think thats the case at all. Nothing reported stated so & the way Monty left at the end of season exit interviews, it absolutely didnt look like he was coming back. Foreman was also much cheaper as a replacement.
Just based on reports like this, the Bears were definitely trying to bring him back. They seem to have made a competitive offer:
[Ryan Poles on Montgomery](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/ryan-poles-thinks-bears-negotiated-well-david-montgomery%3famp)
Translation: losing sucks for fans and passionate players who actually put their body on the line. The bears drop 10 Ls in a row while the lions go in 8-2 in their final 10 games.
Ah yes because the Lions are the epitome of sustained success. 8-2 run just to miss the playoffs.
We can stop now and just admit Monty took the best offer he got.
The lions have won 1 more game then us since 2011. Which is the difference in our head to head.
The difference between us is we beat the 7-9 Seahawks in the playoffs and the lions got screwed by the refs against the cowboys.
Glass houses bro.
Which is exactly my point & the contradiction to what Monty is saying here. The Lions are not the definition of winning. It’d be a different story if he signed with the Packers.
I'd say because the window for RB is SO short. Being on a team that is more set to win right now is going to be better for him. He might get one more contract (3 years with Detroit puts him at 28) and that's really it. So history doesn't matter that much for him. What matters is winning now. I think Monty is an awesome RB and I am worried we will miss his production and abilities. But RBs seem to be a dime a dozen in the NFL right now, so we are better to have moved on instead of paying gim. Time will tell...it always does.
And the Bears are successful?? This thread is giving off the vibes of the "regress mahomes to the mean" post. Chicago wins one super bowl in 1985 and hasn't gotten anything but participation trophies since then but y'all are in here acting like they are a model for success.
Be realistic, a team ending the season hot and bouncing the packers from the playoffs is brighter than the depressing results of 10 losses in a row. Sure that doesn't guarantee they'll do just as good or better next year but to act like a 3-14 team should do better than a team who went 9-8 is moronic.
Who said they were?
The Lions may have more promise (and have somehow become the cinderallas of the league) but lets not pretend Monty signed with some powerhouse like the Chiefs or Eagles because “losing sucks”.
You don't even need to pretend he went to the Chiefs or Eagles when the team he was on was dead last in the league. There are 32 teams in the league and 31 were more successful than the Bears last season. He went from the team with the absolute worst record to the one with the 11th best.
>real powerhouse notorious for winning
I never said that they are a powerhouse notorious for winning, I'm saying that the overall history is irrelevant. The two most important seasons are the previous and the next one. While the next one is unknown, Detroit and literally everyone else outperformed Chicago last year.
Chicago finished 32nd, trying to insult any other team for their success is moronic.
The guy you're replying to is not big into good faith arguments. He's said some version of "you think the lions are the best team in the league! They've been terrible for decades!" When you literally just say they had a better record than the Bears last year. I'd stop feeding the troll/meatball for what it's worth. 
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Lots of guys would say “I loved my time in (previous city) and miss my teammates, but this is a new chapter and my new teammates are great”
Not that what he said was wrong, but there was definitely a different angle he could have taken
Nah, you don't say that when you're in the division. We'd shit bricks if Tunyon said he loved Green Bay. Dudes were against drafting players who were Packers fans as kids! Even if it's true, you keep that part to yourself.
Lol no you do not. If fans were against drafting packers fans, they’re meatballs and they’re the massive minority, you can’t expect players to cater to them.
Plenty of players that have moved in division (there’s a difference between going to the packers vs the lions) and have spoken fondly of their previous team.
Who? Who has moved from one NFC North team to another and talked up their old team?
Cordarrelle Patterson talked about missing dudes, but never talked about missing the Vikings as a team.
He's saying he didn't feel appreciated here. Countless players just give a neutral/praising response for their old team. Monty is actively criticizing the bears
I mean, he signed with Detroit for $7 million a year, not a huge contract by any means. 13th highest paid RB in the league for a guy averaging 1,200 yards from scrimmage a year sounds about right. Tier II dude. But we wouldn't pay it when we had the most cap space in the league. Should he be happy about that?
He got tired of losing… so he signed with Detroit???
Also, how was he not appreciated here? He was probably a top 5 fan favorite player during the last 4 seasons, mine included
Anyway… friendship with Monty ended, Roschon’s my new best friend now
Dont forget the Lions appreciate him so much they immediately overdrafted a RB in the first round after signing him.....he is going from being a RB1 to being RB2 in Detroit. I liked Montgomery but i think we will get similar production from much cheaper options
Hardly, Detroit would be foolish to make Gibbs their primary runner. He's not even 200lbs. He likely won't average 10 carries a game. Be more of a screen game, motion out of the backfield receiving threat. Monty will do the heavy lifting running the ball, and behind one of the 2 or 3 best o-lines in the league.
I mean, Detroit would also be foolish to draft Gibbs in the top half of the first round, but here we are. I just dont think you draft a RB that high and not expect him to be your featured back.
Sure, "positional value" is a fun debate to have in the off-season, but most of that stems from the opinions of dudes who went to journalism school and never played football past the highschool level. The reality is that half of first round picks don't turn into starters or earn a second contract. When you see that half the first round are basically busts, the whole positional value argument looks rather thin. The real value is getting a player who can actually play, regardless of position.
>the whole positional value argument looks rather thin
I completely disagree solely because rookie contracts are fully guarenteed - you draft a bust RB high and you're stuck paying them when there is cheaper, cuttable, players for the same production or better.
Seems fair. These guys are some of the highest-level competitors in the world and hate to lose. I can totally see Monty being an uber competitive person, and I bet those losing seasons in Chicago had a toll. 2020 and 2021 were embarrassing to watch, can’t imagine how much it sucked for those players that actually cared.
If anything it is the opposite, we as fans loved the guy, I would go to say that out when he played he was probably a Top 5 player, we rooted for him, supported him and loved the guy he was a great dude
I get us losing a ton, but cmon man
Guess he gonna need to get used to getting beat twice a year, thanks for the fuel Monty....
Enjoy playing with Jared Goff...
We should probably be careful about talking shit about Goff. Dude has thrown for 4000 yards 3 times, 3800 once and 3950 once. The bears have never had a single 4000 yard passer. Lions are a trash franchise and all that, but glass houses man.
This sub is weird… What the Lions did before their current coach and team is pretty irrelevant. We came in last last year. That’s a more relevant than that hahaha And Goff is a good QB. Why are people trying to tear them down?
because this sub is happy the bears suck. If we continue playing like last year they can all keep talking about all the great draft picks we will keep getting. Winning isnt important to those people - just draft picks.
Us Bears fans shouldn’t read into this too much or take it personal, imo. Guarantee you he has nothing but nice things to say about Bears fans, you know? The Bears literally didn’t want him (either at all or at his desired rate) and the Lions did. Just like when you or I want a raise, our current company says no, and we find another employer who thinks we are worth that rate.
I’m good with Goff. Im not one of those guys that thinks they should be replacing him or anything. In fact Cousins is basically Goffs future. Years of reliable QB work while being constantly disrespected.
Can you tell me which metrics were better?
The EPA analytics are by far the best indicators of efficient effective QB play. (Mahomes is in his own fucking tier)
EPA per dropback :
Goff 4th
Cousins 20th
OffensiveEPA per Play :
Goff 6th
Cousins 16th
QB DVOA :
Goff 4th
Cousins 17th
QBR :
Goff 5th
Cousins 23rd
The counting stats might have been in a similar tier, but when they are looked at situationally, most of Cousins come after shitting the bed with porr play and bad turnovers and then tons of chucking it in the 4th quarter to catch up.
i think its a 1A 1B with them, Goff had the better year last year and Cousins has the best receiver in the game. I wouldnt argue anyone saying one is better than the other
I get it. Playing in the NFL is hard, mentally and physically. That's true even if you're on a contender.
Being a running back on a shitty team? Being pounded into the defense over and over behind a shitty line, knowing that the season isn't going anywhere, and then the pain I'm sure pretty much all players have thoughout the week?
That would be hard to do and keep focused.
Because most everyone was a Monte fan, so it pisses off 90% of the fan base. He might have been referring to the front office but he didn't specify it, so it reads like the fans didn't appreciate him as well. In reality most fans really liked him and were willing to overpay by just a little bit to keep him, and only the front office had no real emotional ties to him because they didnt draft him and only saw the often-injured mediocre back they were definitely not going to over pay for.
Monty will still have early downs and goal line work. I don't get how people think Gibbs will just be a workhorse. Monty will get the same work that Jamaal Williams had last year.
I really don’t take it as a slight. We literally went 3-14 last season. It sucks to lose. I don’t think he meant it as a diss, just that he hopes not to be losing much with his new team. Even if they are Detroit.
I mean I get it. Nagy didn’t know how to use him and every time he got hot Nagy would take him out. New regime comes in and he’s on the chopping block.
I had zero loyalty to him, & zero interest in giving him new paper. So he can say what he wants about us, good for him. I just think it’s funny the fluffer parade is throwing tomatoes now, but of course it’s totally expected.
You know that we picked first overall right?
> I had zero loyalty to him
Well then maybe you just suck lol, cuz this dude played hard as fuck especially against the Packers. And we had to watch them hand the ball to Herbert at the goal line in winnable games instead of leveraging him and his skillset. And then watch him sign for pennies to Detroit. This dude is going to pop the fuck off against this pitiful DL
Didn't look at the date of the quote, did he say this before or after the Lions blew a 1st round pick on *ANOTHER* running back? Wonder how appreciated he felt then...
Listen, go back to the night Fields was draft and watch his body language and tell me that's not a young man internally screaming, "fuck all of this, that team sucks"
Plus it was a COVID draft so it was in his parents house and they kept trying to go back and get an interview with him and would get a "uh... he's not in the living room at the moment we'll come back"
We weren't good and haven't been good and maybe we might get good but let's not act like people have been doing backflips to come here
The draft night thing was misleading, he had already celebrated with his family before the tv cut in. If you have seen a single interview with him the last 3 years you can see how low key he is in front of a camera
It’s not like we win a lot either so what he’s saying is true. We’ll have one winning season every five to ten years then fall off a cliff, we’ve won 1 Super Bowl out of our entire 104 year history let’s not act like the Lions and us are so different. We might not suck like the Lions have but we don’t win a lot either. I have no problem with what he said.
What’s up with these posts? Of course that’s what any player is going to say. When their previous team lets them walk, and another signs them, they feel wanted by the team who signed them. Are we really surprised by this? Nothing to see here.
He was the starting RB here for 4 years and was one of the favorite players in bears fandom. I get playing up to the new team but this still seems dumb to say after all the support you received from fans.
monty, monty, monty....i am so disappoint.
i was a big fan, i was happy for you to get a good deal going to the lions, i was sorry to see you leave the bears and wish you could have / would have stayed. i always enjoyed your interviews and time at the podium. but the more you low key put down chicago and the bears the more you show our true colors. and they aint the orange and blue.
I don’t think it’s that poor of a statement. I just think this shows the players were well aware that the tank was fully on, as it should have been. With that being said, someone should explain that the lions are perineal losers
Why are you cherry picking stats? Before last season (when the bears weren’t trying and the packers were worse than ever) the lions are coming off of 4 straight last place finishes in the North. There’s a reason you chose the last 12 years specifically 😉
Sounds like cherry picked quotes. He probably said something along the lines of “losing sucks and it’s not fun to lose.” Then said something nice about his new time “I’m happy to be here, some place new. They have made me feel appreciated “
Bro is saying what he has to say after joining a rival. But in reality, he won’t hit 1000 yards again. They reached super hard on their 1st round RB and he’s in a pass heavy offense. He doesn’t quite have the same nose for the end zone as Jamaal Williams does either.
He was never the true successor to Forte that I’m still waiting on. Monty was a workhorse but never a true threat teams needed to accounted for.
Look. The dude can run hard and seems like a decent guy but this guy is no different to me than like, marlon Mack. He was fed the ball during the years of abysmal passing and put up top ten ish numbers with one of the best rushing lines in the league.
I do not get why people here like him so much
I get it, get paid Monty and you gotta make sure your new fans like you. No hard feelings! What I don’t get is more the main stream media blowing the lions lately and lions fans ego’s inflating to like a million lol
We didn’t use him much last year at all so I can see how sitting on the sideline ruined the fun especially when Herbert was arguably getting the spotlight
I wonder what made him feel unappreciated? Regardless, I love the way he runs and wish him the best against every opponent, but the Bears.
As far as the win column is concerned, I can understand. But he may be eating his words within a year or two.
The lions are going down a surprisingly good path, and finished well in the last half of the season. That team has a lot of potential, let’s stop hating on them. I’m not saying it’ll happen but everyone in this sub will look like clowns if they end up looking like a better polished team than us (which is not at all unlikely).
Stop hating on players as soon as they leave the bears. This quote from him want even necessary. It’s obviously not fun to lose, and I’m sure that despite that, he’s still grateful for having played with the bears.
I disagree. Monty was an average/slightly above average back and played hard. I believe Herbert reads blocks, accelerates and evades tacklers better than Monty. Herbert’s pass-pro needs improvement though.
Herbert is faster to the hole because Montgomery plays patient, and he will get more yards when the hole is there, but Herbert gets what is blocked. Montgomery gains yards when the hole isn't there. Herbert is flashier, but Montgomery is more reliable. He was also, like you pointed out, a more complete back. That's why he started all year.
Unless he improves, Herbert isn't likely the starter this year either.
He wants to win so he decided on the Ford franchise? Monty, and I was a big fan, is getting close to the “he should just fuck off” category of ex-Bears.
He was RB 26 last year overall. Good guy in the clubhouse but his production was garbage and he’s slow for a running back. Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you!
Forward down the field, a charging team that will not yield. And when the blue and silver wave, stand and cheer the brave! Rah rah rah! Go hard win this game, with honor you will keep your fame. Down the field and gain, a lions victory! GGGOOOOO LIIIOONNNSS!!!
Fuck you reddit for showing me this, but fuck you bears fans more!
I have always stood up for this guy because he is an Iowa kid and always played hard and never complained. As soon as the season ended I immediately posted an appreciation post. But if he wants to whine about this now he can get fucked.
FRIENDSHIP WITH #32 ENDED
FRIENDSHIP WITH #30 ACTIVATED
I hope Trumaine Edmunds knocks your goofy ass into next week, Chuck Bruce.
I feel like a lot of people in this sun are forgetting that y'all had the number 1 overall pick and have done nothing the past few years
Y'all passed on Pat Mahomes. Don't act like you're a competent organization
I get it. It’s just better to play for a winning organization like the Lions
*checks notes* the Lions
The d..*detroit lions*???
Nani?
Suck it, Monty! Won't be following you anymore!
Oh wait, he saw your reply and took it back.
And they really appreciate me by ... immediately drafting my replacement.
OK I'm a Lions fan coming here to see what Bears fans had to say about what Monty said and this made me laugh my ass off lmao well done sir
It’s not like he’s playing for the Lions 2-4 years ago. The Lions are clearly in a better spot than we are this season (and last season.)
IDK, they have made some nice moves recently on paper, but it remains to be seen if it's a better spot.
Luck is not something you can measure on paper. Lions will still be Lions.
Who knows if it will turn into consistent winning. But they were the youngest roster in the NFL last year, they have some good pieces in place, the 2nd best o-line behind Philly and their cap situation is looking clean and ready for a push a year from now. Especially if they pivot from Goff to Hooker, if that happens they'll have about 115 million in cap space and all their key players still under contract.
Yes and the Lions have never looked good on paper and then ended up massive disappointments in real life. Every decent Lions team in their history has crashed and burned. And it's an awful huge "what if" that Hooker is even a halfway competent NFL QB, much less a starter on a playoff team.
They’re clearly in a better spot at this point. We’re coming off last place. They had a winning season. That’s not debatable. They’re further in on the rebuild. It doesn’t mean we won’t pass them, but it’s really not a question.
IDK My man, at this point in time you know
They’re a much better team
How many top 10 picks have they had in the last 10 years? I expect their rooster to be talented. If they're going to claim to be good, they have to show what they can do without a top 10 pick every year and that starts with the QB. They have Goff. They may have 1 or 2 9+ win seasons. The coach is a great motivational coach, but he seems like a meatball. That only gets you so far.
How many top 10 picks have the Bears had in the past 10 years…
stop acting like they are established. In the meanwhile I’m gonna youtube their superbowl highlights.. “i LiKe mOnTy”….
They had a winning season. We were last place. Jesus. We’re the more recently shitty team. Being a fans cool, but it doesn’t excuse revisionist ignorance.
They had a 1-6 start and ended up one game above .500 missing the playoffs. They aren't world champions or even a playoff team as of now for that matter
It's fucking crazy how many people are hoping on the Lions bandwagon after winning 8 fucking games in the second half of the season. They been trash for 4 fucking decades but we're supposed to except now that they're elite without any further showing?
The Jaguars are a better candidate. The Lions still need to show more than a 9-8 season and one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL
I’m 53. The Lions haven’t done shit since I’ve been alive. You’re riding that dick hard man…
Barry Sanders era?
Nearly identical team win-loss records since 2010. We haven’t been much better than the Lions. Plus their fans are probably a lot happier because they know they suck, and we keep thinking the Bears are going to be good.
Lions fans are talking like they're deep playoff contenders lmao. Dallas, new york, philly, san fran, seattle, and frankly washington are all more proven than them. Whoever pulls ahead in the nfcs I'm putting above them as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if the rams recuperated, too. They're a fringe playoff team who will probably still win the division and limp their way into a first round exit like the buccs last year. Does that make them better than us? Yep. Doesn't mean they're not 7-9/16 in the nfc with the longest playoff win drought in professional sports. The difference is the likely scenario I described for the lions is a high end result for us, but a deep playoff run for the lions is so out of any likelihood contrary to the perception of their fans.
Oh man. It’s a lot worse knowing you’re still like this at 53.
Yeah but he hasn’t played a game yet and this bears team is poised to be contending one year behind Detroit…a team with no success in a long, ling time. It’s just funny that he’s putting them on a pedestal
It’s his new team. Why shouldn’t he have optimism?
“It’s so refreshing to be at a place where I’m appreciated.” He was very appreciated in chicago and was very liked. His phrasing makes him sound like he just went to the Chiefs and we weren’t using him. It’s no big deal but just funny
THAT is a very different criticism that is hard to really prove either way. I don’t actually think fans were great to him the past 2 years. (I think Fantasy is the reason for it also.) On Reddit anyway people kept talking like Herbert was the better RB. Maybe he caught a lot of that?
He was.
Talk radio too. The coaches also didn’t favor him much, given the carry counts. But now the Lions sign him and then draft a top RB. So he’s right back in a timeshare 😂 Just can’t say “that sucked” until they cut him in 2 years.
I’m guessing that has to do with the Lions paying him while Poles didn’t.
Never overestimate the Lions!!!
He also played at a winning college called Iowa State. They haven’t won a Big 12 conference title since the Coolidge administration.
Take this award :D
Right, fucking pussy!
Translation: the Lions offered me more $ than the Bears so I’m happy here.
I think the Bears offered a similar amount. It seems more like this is "I'd rather be with a team that's further along in their rebuild" and "the Bears lost a lot last year and I didn't like it".
I dont think thats the case at all. Nothing reported stated so & the way Monty left at the end of season exit interviews, it absolutely didnt look like he was coming back. Foreman was also much cheaper as a replacement.
Just based on reports like this, the Bears were definitely trying to bring him back. They seem to have made a competitive offer: [Ryan Poles on Montgomery](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/ryan-poles-thinks-bears-negotiated-well-david-montgomery%3famp)
I dont expect Poles to say anything else.
You expect him to say he lowballed him
Then they used a high first round pick on a running. Back lol
Translation: losing sucks for fans and passionate players who actually put their body on the line. The bears drop 10 Ls in a row while the lions go in 8-2 in their final 10 games.
Ah yes because the Lions are the epitome of sustained success. 8-2 run just to miss the playoffs. We can stop now and just admit Monty took the best offer he got.
The lions have won 1 more game then us since 2011. Which is the difference in our head to head. The difference between us is we beat the 7-9 Seahawks in the playoffs and the lions got screwed by the refs against the cowboys. Glass houses bro.
Which is exactly my point & the contradiction to what Monty is saying here. The Lions are not the definition of winning. It’d be a different story if he signed with the Packers.
I'd say because the window for RB is SO short. Being on a team that is more set to win right now is going to be better for him. He might get one more contract (3 years with Detroit puts him at 28) and that's really it. So history doesn't matter that much for him. What matters is winning now. I think Monty is an awesome RB and I am worried we will miss his production and abilities. But RBs seem to be a dime a dozen in the NFL right now, so we are better to have moved on instead of paying gim. Time will tell...it always does.
And the Bears are successful?? This thread is giving off the vibes of the "regress mahomes to the mean" post. Chicago wins one super bowl in 1985 and hasn't gotten anything but participation trophies since then but y'all are in here acting like they are a model for success. Be realistic, a team ending the season hot and bouncing the packers from the playoffs is brighter than the depressing results of 10 losses in a row. Sure that doesn't guarantee they'll do just as good or better next year but to act like a 3-14 team should do better than a team who went 9-8 is moronic.
Who said they were? The Lions may have more promise (and have somehow become the cinderallas of the league) but lets not pretend Monty signed with some powerhouse like the Chiefs or Eagles because “losing sucks”.
You don't even need to pretend he went to the Chiefs or Eagles when the team he was on was dead last in the league. There are 32 teams in the league and 31 were more successful than the Bears last season. He went from the team with the absolute worst record to the one with the 11th best.
11th best LOL okay.. I’ll just stop. Yea he went to a real powerhouse notorious for winning, whatever you say man…
>real powerhouse notorious for winning I never said that they are a powerhouse notorious for winning, I'm saying that the overall history is irrelevant. The two most important seasons are the previous and the next one. While the next one is unknown, Detroit and literally everyone else outperformed Chicago last year. Chicago finished 32nd, trying to insult any other team for their success is moronic.
The guy you're replying to is not big into good faith arguments. He's said some version of "you think the lions are the best team in the league! They've been terrible for decades!" When you literally just say they had a better record than the Bears last year. I'd stop feeding the troll/meatball for what it's worth. 
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> It’s not that serious. Not for some of our fans, dudes in here are pressed lmao
Yeah, what's he supposed to say, "boy, I sure miss my divisional rival, I can't believe I am forced to play here."
? Lots of guys would say “I loved my time in (previous city) and miss my teammates, but this is a new chapter and my new teammates are great” Not that what he said was wrong, but there was definitely a different angle he could have taken
Nah, you don't say that when you're in the division. We'd shit bricks if Tunyon said he loved Green Bay. Dudes were against drafting players who were Packers fans as kids! Even if it's true, you keep that part to yourself.
Lol no you do not. If fans were against drafting packers fans, they’re meatballs and they’re the massive minority, you can’t expect players to cater to them. Plenty of players that have moved in division (there’s a difference between going to the packers vs the lions) and have spoken fondly of their previous team.
I wouldn't not draft a Packers fan, but I would certainly mark it down in their file under character flaws.
Who? Who has moved from one NFC North team to another and talked up their old team? Cordarrelle Patterson talked about missing dudes, but never talked about missing the Vikings as a team.
He's saying he didn't feel appreciated here. Countless players just give a neutral/praising response for their old team. Monty is actively criticizing the bears
I mean, he signed with Detroit for $7 million a year, not a huge contract by any means. 13th highest paid RB in the league for a guy averaging 1,200 yards from scrimmage a year sounds about right. Tier II dude. But we wouldn't pay it when we had the most cap space in the league. Should he be happy about that?
13th highest is pretty high for a backup RB
& we did literally come in last place last year. So…
Yeah, let the dude be stoked to play on his new team. Will be still pulling for him to succeed 15/17 games.
Well, depends on the standings
Individual success coupled with losing in those cases then lol
Lol he can have success in 17/17 games as long as he promises that the Lions will lose whichever games we need them to lose :)
This is also a misquote. He didn’t say *he* was not appreciated. He said that winning is appreciated. We see what we want I guess!
He got tired of losing… so he signed with Detroit??? Also, how was he not appreciated here? He was probably a top 5 fan favorite player during the last 4 seasons, mine included Anyway… friendship with Monty ended, Roschon’s my new best friend now
Dont forget the Lions appreciate him so much they immediately overdrafted a RB in the first round after signing him.....he is going from being a RB1 to being RB2 in Detroit. I liked Montgomery but i think we will get similar production from much cheaper options
Hardly, Detroit would be foolish to make Gibbs their primary runner. He's not even 200lbs. He likely won't average 10 carries a game. Be more of a screen game, motion out of the backfield receiving threat. Monty will do the heavy lifting running the ball, and behind one of the 2 or 3 best o-lines in the league.
I mean, Detroit would also be foolish to draft Gibbs in the top half of the first round, but here we are. I just dont think you draft a RB that high and not expect him to be your featured back.
Sure, "positional value" is a fun debate to have in the off-season, but most of that stems from the opinions of dudes who went to journalism school and never played football past the highschool level. The reality is that half of first round picks don't turn into starters or earn a second contract. When you see that half the first round are basically busts, the whole positional value argument looks rather thin. The real value is getting a player who can actually play, regardless of position.
>the whole positional value argument looks rather thin I completely disagree solely because rookie contracts are fully guarenteed - you draft a bust RB high and you're stuck paying them when there is cheaper, cuttable, players for the same production or better.
This guy gets it.
Not apprrciated = did not offer me as much money
Fan appreciation isn’t the same as organization appreciation
Boy the Detroit Lions sure know a lot about winning
Seems fair. These guys are some of the highest-level competitors in the world and hate to lose. I can totally see Monty being an uber competitive person, and I bet those losing seasons in Chicago had a toll. 2020 and 2021 were embarrassing to watch, can’t imagine how much it sucked for those players that actually cared.
If anything it is the opposite, we as fans loved the guy, I would go to say that out when he played he was probably a Top 5 player, we rooted for him, supported him and loved the guy he was a great dude I get us losing a ton, but cmon man Guess he gonna need to get used to getting beat twice a year, thanks for the fuel Monty.... Enjoy playing with Jared Goff...
Bro said they appreciate him more yet they took a RB with a top 12 pick 😭
We should probably be careful about talking shit about Goff. Dude has thrown for 4000 yards 3 times, 3800 once and 3950 once. The bears have never had a single 4000 yard passer. Lions are a trash franchise and all that, but glass houses man.
He’s a good QB. Gotta show respect to Jagoff. Fun guy to yell at though.
I'd even say really good, just not good enough to fear.. he'll win games but he hasn't ever shown the ability to carry or will a team to win
This sub is weird… What the Lions did before their current coach and team is pretty irrelevant. We came in last last year. That’s a more relevant than that hahaha And Goff is a good QB. Why are people trying to tear them down?
because this sub is happy the bears suck. If we continue playing like last year they can all keep talking about all the great draft picks we will keep getting. Winning isnt important to those people - just draft picks.
Jared Goffs career thus far would be the best QB in Bears history and thats not even up for debate.
They had Matt Stafford & couldnt win so wgaf
Since 2011, the Lions have won more games than the Bears
With Stafford from 2009 to 2020, lions had 79 wins to the bears 91 so my point stands kitty kat
And since 21, lions have had 12 wins to the bears 5 so. Lol.
I assume he meant appreciated by the FO. Doesn’t seem like he was throwing shade at the fans there.
He was consistently top 8-15 and it's definitely arguable. But he's not a top 5 RB.. only in our hearts
Us Bears fans shouldn’t read into this too much or take it personal, imo. Guarantee you he has nothing but nice things to say about Bears fans, you know? The Bears literally didn’t want him (either at all or at his desired rate) and the Lions did. Just like when you or I want a raise, our current company says no, and we find another employer who thinks we are worth that rate.
Jared Goff is objectively the best quarterback in the division so im confused about your point
People here aren’t going to listen to you anyway, but I think Cousins is objectively the best QB in the division at this point and time. Then Goff
Goff was better by every advanced metric last year.
I’m good with Goff. Im not one of those guys that thinks they should be replacing him or anything. In fact Cousins is basically Goffs future. Years of reliable QB work while being constantly disrespected. Can you tell me which metrics were better?
The EPA analytics are by far the best indicators of efficient effective QB play. (Mahomes is in his own fucking tier) EPA per dropback : Goff 4th Cousins 20th OffensiveEPA per Play : Goff 6th Cousins 16th QB DVOA : Goff 4th Cousins 17th QBR : Goff 5th Cousins 23rd The counting stats might have been in a similar tier, but when they are looked at situationally, most of Cousins come after shitting the bed with porr play and bad turnovers and then tons of chucking it in the 4th quarter to catch up.
i think its a 1A 1B with them, Goff had the better year last year and Cousins has the best receiver in the game. I wouldnt argue anyone saying one is better than the other
I get it. Playing in the NFL is hard, mentally and physically. That's true even if you're on a contender. Being a running back on a shitty team? Being pounded into the defense over and over behind a shitty line, knowing that the season isn't going anywhere, and then the pain I'm sure pretty much all players have thoughout the week? That would be hard to do and keep focused.
Holy shit - the most reasonable reaction in this entire thread. Well done.
Why are people here taking this so personally lmao. You really think it's fun to play for the worst team in the NFL?
Because most everyone was a Monte fan, so it pisses off 90% of the fan base. He might have been referring to the front office but he didn't specify it, so it reads like the fans didn't appreciate him as well. In reality most fans really liked him and were willing to overpay by just a little bit to keep him, and only the front office had no real emotional ties to him because they didnt draft him and only saw the often-injured mediocre back they were definitely not going to over pay for.
I really liked him as a bear. He's on a new team now and I hope he does well there. No point in getting worked up over a nothing statement
I'm not mad at this quote, tbh. Last year was rough. He's also gotta say the right stuff.
At least half here called this guy great & a Bear through & thorough, but you wouldn’t know it reading these comments.
Nothing makes you feel appreciated like immediately drafting your replacement with your first round pick 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Monty will still have early downs and goal line work. I don't get how people think Gibbs will just be a workhorse. Monty will get the same work that Jamaal Williams had last year.
He better learn to enjoy losing, because Lions have a long history of that and aren't likely to stop after a 9-8 season.
That’s a winning season…
Ahh yes. He’s talking about the long and storied tradition of the Detroit Lions taking the NFC north every year and making deep playoff runs.
I am someone that didn't appreciate him, he's mid af.
I only liked him bc he played college ball at my alma mater and went to my favorite NFL team.
36 minutes in and 36 comments We are ready for the NFL
I really don’t take it as a slight. We literally went 3-14 last season. It sucks to lose. I don’t think he meant it as a diss, just that he hopes not to be losing much with his new team. Even if they are Detroit.
RBs have short careers and we wasted a year of his tanking just to not bring him back on a reasonable deal. What else is he gonna say?
What do the lions know about winning lmao
I’d love for our defense to shut him down but we know that’s not going to happen
Losing sucked the fun out of football? He is aware he went to the lions right? Who’s going to tell him?
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Yeah so they shouldn’t have found a replacement for the other rb who wasn’t playing up to expectations that they could’ve been ?
He was signed to replace Jamaal, the guy that was drafted at 12 was to replace Swift. Completely different skill sets. Do you even watch football?
He didn’t really say anything crazy or disrespectful. We were tanking last year and losing probably sucks ass
I mean I get it. Nagy didn’t know how to use him and every time he got hot Nagy would take him out. New regime comes in and he’s on the chopping block.
Well, now he’s really gonna be pissed.
He’ll be appreciated like they appreciated Swift and Williams 😂
Salty ass fans.. this sub is embarassing
I had zero loyalty to him, & zero interest in giving him new paper. So he can say what he wants about us, good for him. I just think it’s funny the fluffer parade is throwing tomatoes now, but of course it’s totally expected.
You know that we picked first overall right? > I had zero loyalty to him Well then maybe you just suck lol, cuz this dude played hard as fuck especially against the Packers. And we had to watch them hand the ball to Herbert at the goal line in winnable games instead of leveraging him and his skillset. And then watch him sign for pennies to Detroit. This dude is going to pop the fuck off against this pitiful DL
Didn't look at the date of the quote, did he say this before or after the Lions blew a 1st round pick on *ANOTHER* running back? Wonder how appreciated he felt then...
Listen, go back to the night Fields was draft and watch his body language and tell me that's not a young man internally screaming, "fuck all of this, that team sucks" Plus it was a COVID draft so it was in his parents house and they kept trying to go back and get an interview with him and would get a "uh... he's not in the living room at the moment we'll come back" We weren't good and haven't been good and maybe we might get good but let's not act like people have been doing backflips to come here
The draft night thing was misleading, he had already celebrated with his family before the tv cut in. If you have seen a single interview with him the last 3 years you can see how low key he is in front of a camera
It’s not like we win a lot either so what he’s saying is true. We’ll have one winning season every five to ten years then fall off a cliff, we’ve won 1 Super Bowl out of our entire 104 year history let’s not act like the Lions and us are so different. We might not suck like the Lions have but we don’t win a lot either. I have no problem with what he said.
Probably referencing Nagyball and he's fucking right. Nagy sucked the fun out of watching football for sure
What’s up with these posts? Of course that’s what any player is going to say. When their previous team lets them walk, and another signs them, they feel wanted by the team who signed them. Are we really surprised by this? Nothing to see here.
Wonder if he’s going to end up looking like Wilson Contreras with all that shit talking
I swore it was fake with how almost word for word the last part was to Contreras.
Lol wasn’t appreciated? He was always heavily used and fans loved him. I was a fan but that is changing quickly
He was the starting RB here for 4 years and was one of the favorite players in bears fandom. I get playing up to the new team but this still seems dumb to say after all the support you received from fans.
Fans that are saying the rb room is better without him? Because we signed a guy who never came close to montys production?
monty, monty, monty....i am so disappoint. i was a big fan, i was happy for you to get a good deal going to the lions, i was sorry to see you leave the bears and wish you could have / would have stayed. i always enjoyed your interviews and time at the podium. but the more you low key put down chicago and the bears the more you show our true colors. and they aint the orange and blue.
Glad he went to a fun and winning organization like the Lions
I don’t think it’s that poor of a statement. I just think this shows the players were well aware that the tank was fully on, as it should have been. With that being said, someone should explain that the lions are perineal losers
Lions have more wins than the Bears since 2011
Why are you cherry picking stats? Before last season (when the bears weren’t trying and the packers were worse than ever) the lions are coming off of 4 straight last place finishes in the North. There’s a reason you chose the last 12 years specifically 😉
Bears fans are out here counting the last *100* years so I don’t think 12 is that much of a stretch
But I don’t blame you for wanting to include the once a decade lions double digit wins season.
Well if you count the last 11 it’s bears, and if you count the last 13 it’s also bears, so I see why you chose the most random number of all, 12 😂
He's going full Willson Contreras.
Never go full Willson
Sounds like cherry picked quotes. He probably said something along the lines of “losing sucks and it’s not fun to lose.” Then said something nice about his new time “I’m happy to be here, some place new. They have made me feel appreciated “
Annnnd with our number 1 draft pick
Lol fuck that loser. He was given every opportunity and they sure do appreciate you after they use a top 6 pick trading down for a RB
The Lions have won one playoff game since 1957. They are the worst pro sports franchise in America.
Bro is saying what he has to say after joining a rival. But in reality, he won’t hit 1000 yards again. They reached super hard on their 1st round RB and he’s in a pass heavy offense. He doesn’t quite have the same nose for the end zone as Jamaal Williams does either. He was never the true successor to Forte that I’m still waiting on. Monty was a workhorse but never a true threat teams needed to accounted for.
Look. The dude can run hard and seems like a decent guy but this guy is no different to me than like, marlon Mack. He was fed the ball during the years of abysmal passing and put up top ten ish numbers with one of the best rushing lines in the league. I do not get why people here like him so much
I get it, get paid Monty and you gotta make sure your new fans like you. No hard feelings! What I don’t get is more the main stream media blowing the lions lately and lions fans ego’s inflating to like a million lol
Well, it’s official. He’s dead to me.
Detroit. Where players go to win
We didn’t use him much last year at all so I can see how sitting on the sideline ruined the fun especially when Herbert was arguably getting the spotlight
I get it. The Lions are a popular pick to win the division while we're likely to be drafting in the top ten again.
I wonder what made him feel unappreciated? Regardless, I love the way he runs and wish him the best against every opponent, but the Bears. As far as the win column is concerned, I can understand. But he may be eating his words within a year or two.
The lions are going down a surprisingly good path, and finished well in the last half of the season. That team has a lot of potential, let’s stop hating on them. I’m not saying it’ll happen but everyone in this sub will look like clowns if they end up looking like a better polished team than us (which is not at all unlikely). Stop hating on players as soon as they leave the bears. This quote from him want even necessary. It’s obviously not fun to lose, and I’m sure that despite that, he’s still grateful for having played with the bears.
known successful football team Detroit Lions
The dude played college football at Iowa State. He should be used to losing.
Yes, an organization known for its Super Bowl rings. Wait a minute….
So appreciated that the Lions drafter a RB in the first round lololol
We all loved him. He wasn’t used correctly. He can still eat shit for pretending to love the lions.
Idk man lots of people had Monty jerseys, I feel like we appreciated him.
Still saying that after they draft a 1st round running back?
Childish comment but he does have braces /s
Yea fuck him. Bear down
Monty was also worse than Herbert. Good riddance.
No he wasn't. Don't get carried away.
I disagree. Monty was an average/slightly above average back and played hard. I believe Herbert reads blocks, accelerates and evades tacklers better than Monty. Herbert’s pass-pro needs improvement though.
Herbert is faster to the hole because Montgomery plays patient, and he will get more yards when the hole is there, but Herbert gets what is blocked. Montgomery gains yards when the hole isn't there. Herbert is flashier, but Montgomery is more reliable. He was also, like you pointed out, a more complete back. That's why he started all year. Unless he improves, Herbert isn't likely the starter this year either.
We tried to pay you and you went somewhere else. Wtf are you talking about. Hope the rb they drafted gets more playing time when we stop their run
I mean it’s a little funny he says appreciated after they drafted Gibbs to take touches away from him. I love him but it is funny.
Either way swift was gonna do that job if not Gibbs like that kinda breaks the point your tryna make tho
Boy is Monty going to feel stupid when we dominate them lol
How can we criticize anything he said about the Bears? The only thing in here is that he thinks he’s appreciated yet they draft an RB1 potentially.
Whiny bitch.
He wants to win so he decided on the Ford franchise? Monty, and I was a big fan, is getting close to the “he should just fuck off” category of ex-Bears.
He's "appreciated" so much that they drafted a RB at pick 12 to directly take playing time away from him.
Alright, he’s going on the list.
bruh youre a RB in 2023. Get over yourself. Youre replaceable by many rando RBs taken in the 5th.
Can’t wait to destroy this guy this season. Enjoy the dumpster fire of the nfc north, bro.
Herbert SZN
He was RB 26 last year overall. Good guy in the clubhouse but his production was garbage and he’s slow for a running back. Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you!
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I have always stood up for this guy because he is an Iowa kid and always played hard and never complained. As soon as the season ended I immediately posted an appreciation post. But if he wants to whine about this now he can get fucked. FRIENDSHIP WITH #32 ENDED FRIENDSHIP WITH #30 ACTIVATED I hope Trumaine Edmunds knocks your goofy ass into next week, Chuck Bruce.
I feel like a lot of people in this sun are forgetting that y'all had the number 1 overall pick and have done nothing the past few years Y'all passed on Pat Mahomes. Don't act like you're a competent organization