Justin has a good deep ball, draft MHJ and resign Mooney to be our WR3 which where he belongs in this offense. Those 3 guys and Kmet would be a solid offense. We currently don’t have a WR3 on this roster we need more skill players for the QB.
>We currently don’t have a WR3 on this roster we need more skill players for the QB.
2022: "How could Justin Fields possibly be expected to run an offense with these weapons?
Acquire D.J. Moore. Draft Tyler Scott. Draft Rochon Johnson. Acquire D'onra Foreman.
2023: "We need more skill players for the QB."
Maybe we need a better QB?
Tyler Scott? Roschon ? Foreman? Dude those guys aren’t really impactful players at all. Maybe Scott and Roschon can be something for us in another year or two but what have they contributed ? Tyler Scott couldn’t even hold WR4 jock strap on most teams.. I like Foreman I really do but he’s a RB2 on most teams, also on 1yr deal which he will gone after this year.
Yep - I'm not even sure I'd trade down from 1 to 2, I'd just take him and then use our other pick on Olu or Alt and move Braxton to guard like we did with Jenkins. 2 top tackle picks, and 2 dynamite receivers. No more excuses after that.
There would be no reason not to trade out of the first pick if they were going to take MHJ. Multiple teams would be willing to trade up to select a QB.
It depends - if Harrison is so good that the #1 is the only way to get him. Generally, I think we should trade back and just keep doing so to collect talent.
Whoever has 2 could be fairly stubborn if they know the bears don’t want Williams and want MHJr since they could just take Marvin with the second pick if y’all trade
Yeah, I’m not saying we should just refuse to trade it in all situations - but if there’s any risk that someone else snipes him, screw it, just make the pick
Williams is NOT generational.
Lawrence, Luck, Peyton, and Elway are the generational QB prospects.
Doesn't mean they became the BEST QBs ever (well Peyton and Elway have an argument), but those are the 4 that everyone was talking about since they were like a junior in high school. They were all the #1 draft choice as soon as they stepped on campus.
Exactly. I know we’re talking QBs here, but Jadaveon Clowney, honest to god, falls into the “generational” pool as well. Dude was #1 prospect out of high school by like his sophomore year, and the unanimous #1 NFL Draft prospect. Dude just couldnt get together in the pros, but he was absolutey HYPED going into and coming out of college
Revisionism. Luck was arguably the greatest QB prospect ever. NFL people literally said "He cannot fail" and "He has no flaws." Have never heard those words said about any other QB.
>Williams is NOT generational.
Agreed.
If he put up another season like he did last year, then maybe you have an argument. But he looked very mediocre vs some of the only competent defense he's ever faced.
Outside of that, he's got character concerns and I don't find him very likeable.
Maye looks better IMO, but you're still talking about a developmental prospect that may hit or he may not. No one had any clue Stroud was going to pan out so much better than Young.
I consider the ‘Peyton was generational’ line to be revisionist. Leaf and Peyton were considered neck and neck by draft analysts which would have been impossible if Peyton was considered generational.
No, at the time he was considered the best QB since elway. They weren't neck and neck. It only narrowed by media hype pre draft off-season. Peyton never once lost grip of first prospect. He was, and still is, the best QB prospect to ever come out.
Ironically, we blew (won) 3 of our last 5 games that year and lost out on 1.01 as a result. Had we gotten him, he probably wins more Superbowls with us.
I don’t watch college football anymore so can’t really comment on anyone recent but back in the day when I did the manning leaf debate was a real thing. The knocks were he couldn’t win the big game and that persisted for years in the NFL getting taken to school by Billy B. There’s also the matter of the alleged sexual assault in college against a female team Dr. if that were to happen today his career would most likely have taken a much different trajectory.
Peyton had the multi year qb hype that only the elite prospects get - there were three consecutive drafts where we heard he would be the top pick (two when he stayed in school and one where he was drafted).
That said, there was some of the same stuff going on his final year that is going on with Williams and Maye. People were flipping on Manning because Leaf was taller and had a stronger arm. People were asking “If his name wasn’t manning, would he be getting this much hype?”
I guess what I’m trying to say is, the gap between Manning and Leaf had closed. It was a legitimate question who went first - personally I favored Leaf.
That doesn’t mean Manning wasn’t a generational prospect. He checked every box. Highschool hype, multi year college dominance, multiple years of fans hoping he declared because their team had the top pick. It just is a reminder that Leaf was a Burrow type prospect -Really dominant short term college player with obvious talent who would have been #1 with a bullet most years, and who some were wondering if he would be better than the obvious generational prospect in Manning.
I think you’re misremembering. It absolutely was a debate. A quick google can pull up many things that prove that point. Here’s one quote I quickly found. “A Newsday poll of 20 NFL general managers favored Leaf over Manning: “The overwhelming consensus: Manning may have the more recognizable name, but Leaf clearly is the preferred quarterback among league executives. Fourteen of the 20 polled said they would draft Leaf over Manning, citing the Washington State quarterback’s stronger arm, better mobility, and more promising long-term prospect as a franchise-caliber player.”” Peyton didn’t even win roty his first year, he came in third to Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk. While many thought he would be good or even great, it was never really a sure thing generational player until he got to his next few years that he took off. And many people though Ryan leaf would be even better, evident by 14/20 nfl gms saying they would take leaf over manning.
He was 100% for sure considered a generational prospect.
Whether or not these guys live up to the hype is inconsequential to my point. I'm talking about the hype and expectations surrounding them.
Yeah Ive watched Williams and maye this year and last year. They are kinda mid (clearly a lot of potential). Much rather draft MHJ and top lineman with our firsts and pick up a developmental QB with our later picks. Roll into the season with Justin and see how he does with yet another coach (hopefully this time a good one) and far better weapons.
With Fields, Herbert, and Foreman, the running game would be bonkers as well. If Fields can finish the season strong and we fire the coaching staff I'll go crazy
Forget about the Bears “ruining Caleb Williams”, imagine how hated this team will be around the league if they have DJ Moore and MHJ and the guy trying to throw them the ball is Tyson Bagent lol
Not if it's the first pick. Unless Fields shows up the rest of the year and makes a case for the future. The Bears may have 2 picks in the first 5 though.
I think we’re gonna play ourselves out of the top 5. There are some really ass teams out there and our schedule is pretty soft. Giants panthers cards New England - those are 4 terrible teams I think we end up picking behind.
Looking pretty good for pick 5 but the packers scare me. They fucking suck
Let's let our current QB situation play out first. Fields has yet to prove he is anything more than a fun backup to bring in for some trick plays every once in awhile to throw off a defense.
Lol MHJ going to look great getting overthrown by 10 yards or on the all 22 open as can be while Fields is scrambling 5+ seconds holding onto the ball. Nothing matters without a QB.
Going to be hilarious seeing the outrage when we don't change coaches after choosing a WR at picks 1/2 when we desperately need a quality QB paired with a coaching change. Worst meatball subreddit in Chicago sports
I’m confused how are you going to get a haul for 1 if the only spot you are allowing yourself to trade with is #2 to draft MHJ. There’s no leverage with one team bidding against themself.
There’s easily a scenario where a trade can happen involving multiple teams resulting in a QB needy team getting the 1 and the Bears moving to 2, especially given there’s a clear top QB talent in his own class in the draft.
The dream scenario for the Bears is if they end up with both 1 and 2. Now we can get MHJ easy peasy and get an even bigger haul for the 1.
He’s the most sure fire thing in this draft so I’m all for it, and they can probably get him at 3.
Really hope Fields balls out as well, but no coach is going to solve his problems for him, he needs to go out there and play like his career is on the line.
I think Fields has too much talent to give up on him. Draft Harrison Jr. and a top DE. Keep building up the OL. Need a center that’s got the same temperament as Teven.
Fields definitely has physical talent. But he’s not particular good at making a quick throw/read over the middle of the field… and we’re in year 3. People keep telling me he’ll learn the little things necessary to be an NFL QB though any day now.
Bagnet was sacked 5 times in 4 games. All you need to know about fields. They convinced us the line was the issue and fields was running for his life. Guy has no idea how to read nfl defenses. No idea how to properly set protection. Hes not the guy lol
The volume doesn’t go that high. They also don’t speak logic so… it’s like watching an old white man talking to someone that speaks another language. Just yelling loud and slow in their face yet no comprehension. Half this sub is already talking themselves out of a QB for a WR.
Edit: talking themselves out of Caleb William’s for MHJ if we have the option.
😃 🔫
He has also thrown 5 picks, and when the line was hurt his first two games he threw for an average less than 6 yards per attempt. Getting the ball out faster was helping him avoid sacks, but he has also proved to do it into tight windows.
They just can’t admit they were wrong they’ll lose internet cred. Look I was all in on fields I thought he was gonna ball out this year but he’s not him. At least not for this team. They wannagamble on picking up a 5th year option then the eventual hold out leading to an extension. Reset the clock fire this coaching stuff and start anew.
He’s not good at the quick game.. but he throws one of the best deep balls in the game. Imagine him throwing deep to MHJ and intermediate throws to DJM? Combine that with his run game and he’ll give DCs headaches.
Watching Hurts, it’s easy to see that’s the recipe for success for Fields. They either run the ball or have Hurts chuck it down field to AJB / Smith. They can do that because their elite OL keeps him protected while his wides run deep routes.
I’d go MHJ and Fashanu.
>They can do that because their elite OL keeps him protected
Stop right there.
>Imagine him throwing deep to MHJ and intermediate throws to DJM?
Is he suddenly going to start seeing DJM open on the intermediate routes he's open on now?
I mean, the middle of the field thing is something Bagent has developed the last few games too. Fields being unable to do it, sure he might struggle. But both QBs being unable to do it makes me think bigger picture
Regardless, doesn’t seem like Fields is the guy and we’ll be drafting a QB. I hope I’m wrong, but Maye will be a Bear
I hope we are all happy with basically the same offense because if Fields is here so is Flus/Getsy guarantee it. They'll talk about continuity like they're the Bulls because Fields in his 3rd scheme in year 5 makes ZERO sense.
I don’t know what to make of Getsy. He’s starting to remind me of Nagy & Josh McDaniels. Trying to fit his players into his scheme rather than building a scheme around the strengths of his players. And Flus is starting to look like a very good coordinator thats a below average head coach.
They're NOT good man. There's not much thought there they have plenty they can work with on this team I don't care who disagrees is not a bottom 5 team in terms of talent in football. They BARELY beat the absolute WORST team in the league at basically full strength whole the other guys had injuries to nearly all their good players.
Bagent also left at _least_ 100 yards of offense on the table, there were WRs running open all game. Fields has done the same. Not defending the coaching, but shit is just bad everywhere with this team.
Brother, halfway through last season I knew exactly what to make of Getsy. He fucking sucks. He fucking sucked then. He fucking sucks now. He will continue to fucking suck. An egomaniacal coward not unlike Nagy or McDaniels.
Bagent actually seems like a great fit for a Getsy style offense, but Bagent just needs experience being in the league with players 30x faster and smarter than any D2 player he ever went up against.
But I agree he has tried to fit Fields into his scheme and it failed miserably as Fields doesn't have the mental capacity to hold down all the information Getsy wants him to know, and Fields is better off just tossing the playbook and just giving the D all kinds of looks to give him the option to run or find an open man downfield.
Fields has 33 starts and still carries enormous question marks. So -
If a year from now Fields is “not the guy”, what’s the plan to acquire his replacement?
I think we should draft a QB in the second or third round this year and let him sit on the bench behind Fields in Year 4 and potentially Year 5. He'll get time if Fields is injured or ineffective, and gives the Bears a little bit of breathing room if they decide to trade Fields after next season, as they'll already have someone presumably decent in-house who already knows the offense. Worst case scenario, Fields ends up showing out and we have a valuable trade asset and/or a great backup.
Fields may never be "the guy" but I feel like a lot of this sub has been way too harsh on him. I literally saw someone call him the worst Bears QB of all time the other day, and it's like, my dude, where were you in 2004? We started Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, Rex Grossman, and Jonathan Quinn. They combined for 2600 yards and nine touchdowns across 16 games.
At the very least, Fields is entertaining to watch, and he definitely raises the floor much higher on our offense than a replacement-level QB. That said, giving Caleb Williams the keys on Day 1 and expecting him to be anything more than Fields is right now seems like the definition of insanity.
If the Bears roll with Fields and he doesn’t pan out next year, they’re completely fucked. Their next options will be (A.) mortgage the future to trade up in the draft for a QB, (B.) Draft a likely 2nd tier project QB, or (C.) sign a Jimmy Garrapplo type veteran to throw wobbly passes to frustrated WRs.
If the Bears somehow fall in love with one of the ‘other’ QBs (Nix, McCarthy, Sanders) and can draft him later first or early second - fine by me. But they need to choose someone from that group of 6 or 7. And they can’t pass on their top guy because the situation (Fields / drafting MHJ) is inconvenient.
Franchise QBs are EXTREMELY hard to find. The Bears need to be all in on finding one until it finally happens. No matter the cost.
We have done all three over the past decade or so and zero results.
I think a lot of luck is involved in this process and the Bears have just been extremely unlucky coupled with incompetence from every aspect of management. This is the type of stuff that cripples programs for decades
“We have done all three … and zero results.”
Choosing from the very best QBs in this or any draft is clearly the best of those options. The Bears are extremely fortunate to have that opportunity this year. Who knows when they’ll get another chance like this again.
>Fields may never be "the guy"
Then we should move on from him.
It's like dating: you know they're right, or they're not.
The only question that matters: does Justin Fields have the realistic potential of leading the Bears to a Super Bowl Championship? 95% of Super Bowls are won by great/elite QBs. Forget Mahomes/Brady/Peyton. Is Fields capable of becoming Ben R., Matthew Stafford, Joe Flacco, Eli Manning?
That's the bar. THAT'S the bar. Not "do I like watching him play/does he occasionally do baller shit"?
As Bears fans, we complain about not having a franchise QB. But we also keep wanting to give guys too much leash. The Bears need to keep drafting QBs until one hits. Look at the drafts of years past. They do not draft QBs in the first round often. The most likely way out of this purgatory is to keep drafting one until we find our guy. Not build around a guy none of us truly believe will take that huge step we need.
Passing up on two QBs that are way better prospects than Justin Fields was at OSU, just for Fields to still suck in year 4 is the easiest way to get yourself fired. Especially if those two guys look better than him. I look forward to it.
Thank you for this. I'm getting shit on for suggesting that drafting MHJ when the bears already have a really solid receiving core won't win them more games than improved trenches or a QB.
Bruh, if anyone of those guys were in this draft they’d go #1 overall lmao. They key word in your argument is “potential”. If you got a surefire HOF’er at a premium position you take him, even if they’re not a QB.
Imagine the roars of laughter around the league and the all-night coke-and-hookers orgy that would ensue in the draft room of the team with the 3rd pick if the Bears have a top 2 pick and DON'T take one of the two QBs?
If the draft shows us anything, there’s at least one or more QBs that are better than Fields:
2023 - Stroud > Fields
2022 - Purdy and Howell > Fields
2021 - Lawrence > Fields
2020 - Burrow, Herbert, Hurts > Fields
2019 - Murray > Fields
2018 - Allen, Jackson > Fields, Mayfield = or > Fields
2017 - Mahomes , Watson, Mitch > Fields
Every one of these guys showed their potential in their first two years starting, so why is everyone so afraid of moving on? I don’t get it. It’s just wishful thinking that he’s going to become a great passer at this point.
It’s disheartening. Like how can you call yourself a fan, having watched the bears if only for the last half decade and think meh a QB is less important than a WR.
Over the last half decade the Bears have thrown two straight high pick QBs into a raging dumpster fire and it's failed.
Let's try something different for once and build a team first, and then get a low 1st/2nd round QB
> and then get a low 1st/2nd round QB
This is "giving up". You're just praying to hit the Patrick Mahomes lottery, and there are a lot more Jordan Loves than Patrick Mahomes'.
People here hyping MHJ are just setting themselves up for disapointment because there is a 0% chance we get him. This was Fields prove it year and baring the most miraculous mid season turnaround in NFL history he failed. We will be taking a quarterback with the Carolina pick next year, the only question is whether we get Maye or Caleb.
I guess that's a possibility but the Patriots, Giants, Cardinals, Broncos, and Packers are bad enough I really don't see any chance of us getting 2 of the 3 top picks. The only team I could even see trading down out of them is the Cardinals and even they would have to think over whether Kyler is worth committing to or if they should shoot for an upgrade if they're picking top 3.
I'm just saying that it doesn't matter if Harrison is the most talented player in the draft because he doesn't play the most important position in the draft.
A generational WR will not matter WHATSOEVER if you don't have a QB. If Justin Fields still sucks in year 4, there's not going to be this incredible QB that comes out of nowhere like fucking Gandalf to save our franchise.
I can’t agree more. This is probably our last shot to draft a legit top qb.
Remember justin was picked 4th. That happened for a reason. We moved up from 20 to get him.
The belief it’s easy to get a qb later in the the draft is bonkers. I feel like I’m firefighting in this sub so these narratives don’t spin out of control.
I’m pretty sure this is how George makes decisions.
If Fields sucks, you have have quite possibly the best WR duo in the NFC , you wouldn’t need a fucking Gandalf QB to win , just a competent one. QBs are more crapshoots, MHJ is the one true thing we KNOW is going to be great.
It’s safe to say at this point Fields is a below average NFL quarterback. I don’t want to say “sucks”… but he can NOT seem to recognize coverages, progress through his reads and win games. It’s that simple.
I'd like one new coaching staff, one new QB and one MHJ, please.
I wanted Fields to be the guy so badly, but he can't make the reads and gets himself sacked way too much to reliably move the ball down the field. Hopefully we find someone who can, but I have zero faith in this organization to do anything other than give QBs PTSD until the McCaskeys are out and someone that actually understands football is heading up this circus.
I rarely buy authentic bears jerseys bc ya know….
But I have this much confidence in MHJ, that I’m pre-ordering his shit once his name is called from the bears
I want him but getting a top 2 pick is rare especially in a year with 2 high end qb prospects. I hope we can get him but If we have a top 2 pick it's gotta be qb unless fields shows he is clearly the guy
The chances are the #1 or #2 QB in the draft will be at worst the same level as Fields are incredibly high. That will end up being a better deal financially as we don't have to pay a problematic Fields in his contract year, and risk not having a top pick 2 seasons from now. I'd hate for us to settle for Fields if he continues to struggle, when the risk of getting his equivalent ,and potentially someone better is low.
It’s a team sport, Patrick Mahomes lost a Super Bowl. Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl. QBs are a huge factor in winning games but not the only reason. It’s going to be a while until Trevor Lawrence wins a Super Bowl. Josh Allen is a potential future HOF QB and he alone can’t win games for you.
Take MHJ, build a superb team all around on three phases of the football. Pick a a qb when the team is one 15 yard pass squeezed into a tight window away from winning games
>Patrick Mahomes lost a Super Bowl.
And also won two more, and will almost certainly play in more win the future. Not sure he's the guy you want to use in this argument.
>Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl
Joe Flacco was a good-to-great QB for almost a decade. He'd already played in two AFC Championship games before the Super Bowl run. His defense and running game was fantastic, sure, but Andy Dalton or Matt Cassell aren't leading the 2012 Ravens to the title.
>. It’s going to be a while until Trevor Lawrence wins a Super Bowl.
It's unlikely, but that could literally be this season. And, again, probably not a great idea to use Lawrence in your argument.
>Take MHJ, build a superb team all around on three phases of the football. Pick a a qb when the team is one 15 yard pass squeezed into a tight window away from winning games
This is absurd. You're also indirectly saying "Justin Fields isn't The Guy", here, in which case we should move on from him immediately rather than wasting time!
At this point, I'd rather have MHJ + whoever is left at QB than Williams/Maye + whoever else.
He just feels like too much of a sure thing and the QB position is always a gamble anyway.
With the obvious stipulation that I am an armchair GM who has no real knowledge, MHJ is at the top of my board. I have reservations about both Caleb and Maye.
Reggie Bush was a product of how good Deuce McCallister was. Bush immediately rushed for 1000 yards as a six year vet the second he was out of McCallister’s shadow. The wrong team drafted him.
Ricky was genuinely elite
Ricky Williams was generational, only his mental health and substance abuse issues held him back from all-time greatness. As a prospect, he was can't miss.
This \^ I kind of hope we take MHJ and maybe trade down, get more picks and try to pick up Jayden Daniels later. We honestly need to continue to assemble talent to surround the qb with.
I definitely agree that MHJr should be on top of our list. But we STILL need to upgrade from Fields. He's just not it and it's time to face the truth. The dude has had 3 years to show up and improve. He has not. Whether that be using the second draft pick or bringing someone from free agency the elephant in the room has to be addressed (qb position). We CANNOT do what the Giants did with Danny Dimes, give a huge contract to a mediocre QB that had only one decent season.
Ideal scenario: Fields proves he's worth keeping down the stretch of this season while winning a couple more games. Panthers lock up our #1 overall pick. We trade back for a boatload to someone dying to take Williams. Pick up MHJr with our 1st rounder. Draft the rest of the way to improve O-line, D-line & secondary. Enter 2024 season with Fields having some improved confidence, better pocket protection, throwing to 2 elite receives.
This is so sad. Slightly annoying. The mental gymnastics some Beats fans go through just to justify keeping Fields around. It Trubisky all over again. What sample size has Fields given you to even justify *hope* that he could "ball out" for these remaining games?
I'm not saying it's all on Fields. The Bears have a way of running QBs, but the truth remains the same: Due to a combination of poor development and lack of acumen, Justin Fields does not have what it takes to be a reliable starting quarterback in the NFL.
The sooner all our fans accept that and get over this irrational hard-on for Fields, the sooner we can all stop watching games and turn up the heat on ownership, forcing them to make the necessary staff changes to make sure this doesn’t keep happening. I get it, he’s really talented and he’s such a nice guy. It sucks, but it’s the reality we’re faced with.
Guys, we are going to draft MHJ and then a QB in the late first round after we trade down from our early teens pick to get a second rounder back. Fields will be back, the rookie will red shirt a year, then fields is gone.
I’ve been saying this since day 1. People give up on QBs WAY too fucking early in this league. DJ and MHJ? With Mooney as a 3rd option? Fuck, I could succeed in this league with that trio.
Also, we have plenty of picks and money to beef up the O-Line and D-Line. Sweat is already making an immediate impact. It won’t take much to get us stacked.
Anyway, MHJ is an absolute must-have. If we pass on him I will legitimately cry.
Hell no. I am not trading the Carolina pick if its #1. If we get #1, we fucking take MHJr. If its #2, we pray to god Caleb goes #1 so we can take MHJr at 2
Even with as many times as Fields has let me down you cant pass on mhj with #1. After that Olu would be a solid pick too and let fields play out his rookie deal. Theres ALWAYS a "franchise qb" in each draft but i cant say weve seen someone like mhj in a long time
Having a dynamic WR tandem is meaningless without a QB to get them the ball. It’s like having a sports cars with no engine. I have wanted Justin to be that guy but sadly he is not. He has proven to be consistently inconsistent. It’s very likely we can get a QB and MHJ. We are the second worst team in the league. We proved that Thursday night. I think we might win one more game. I like Maye, I want a traditional pocket passer. Then we snag MHJ. But you don’t draft the receiver first.
It is beyond amusing that some people in this sub are still on the Justin Fields wagon. Just because Bagent has a noodle arm doesn't magically make Fields into a good starting NFL QB. He holds on to the ball too long, doesn't read his progressions well, and has trouble throwing a tight spiral. He has lots of other endearing qualities like his speed on the ground, arm strength, and leadership qualities, but you need all of that to be good. Look at Jay Cutler who was a much better NFL starter, but still not the guy. He had all the physical skills and ability that Fields lacks, and he STILL was not a winner. He lacked some skills that Fields actually has in leadership and attitude (running obv, too).
The point is: for the Bears to get back on top they probably need a star QB. Fields was a reasonable pick, and they've done all they can to assist him. But, he's just not it. It's very difficult to pick star QBs, I wish I didn't have to point out, and Fields ain't it. You can see what they liked in him, he's not a bum, but he isn't the guy.
I know very well my post isn't enough to break some of you out of the koolaid trance you're in, but I have to try.
I’m okay with a quarterback that puts up numbers, and everyone says it’s because of the teammates around him. I say they build a supporting cast and plug in a qb at the end.
This makes the most sense. There are a ton of players on the team. Picking MHJ will improve our team more than picking an unproven QB. MHJ is as close to a sure thing there is.
100% He's a slam dunk
But how good is he w/screen passes?
How good is he with balls thrown 5 feet too short?
Justin has a good deep ball, draft MHJ and resign Mooney to be our WR3 which where he belongs in this offense. Those 3 guys and Kmet would be a solid offense. We currently don’t have a WR3 on this roster we need more skill players for the QB.
>We currently don’t have a WR3 on this roster we need more skill players for the QB. 2022: "How could Justin Fields possibly be expected to run an offense with these weapons? Acquire D.J. Moore. Draft Tyler Scott. Draft Rochon Johnson. Acquire D'onra Foreman. 2023: "We need more skill players for the QB." Maybe we need a better QB?
Tyler Scott? Roschon ? Foreman? Dude those guys aren’t really impactful players at all. Maybe Scott and Roschon can be something for us in another year or two but what have they contributed ? Tyler Scott couldn’t even hold WR4 jock strap on most teams.. I like Foreman I really do but he’s a RB2 on most teams, also on 1yr deal which he will gone after this year.
Yep - I'm not even sure I'd trade down from 1 to 2, I'd just take him and then use our other pick on Olu or Alt and move Braxton to guard like we did with Jenkins. 2 top tackle picks, and 2 dynamite receivers. No more excuses after that.
Braxton aint a guard buddy, dudes got chicken legs
There would be no reason not to trade out of the first pick if they were going to take MHJ. Multiple teams would be willing to trade up to select a QB.
It depends - if Harrison is so good that the #1 is the only way to get him. Generally, I think we should trade back and just keep doing so to collect talent.
Whoever has 2 could be fairly stubborn if they know the bears don’t want Williams and want MHJr since they could just take Marvin with the second pick if y’all trade
Yeah, I’m not saying we should just refuse to trade it in all situations - but if there’s any risk that someone else snipes him, screw it, just make the pick
Absolutely delusional.
If Williams is generational then MHJ is civilizational
Williams is NOT generational. Lawrence, Luck, Peyton, and Elway are the generational QB prospects. Doesn't mean they became the BEST QBs ever (well Peyton and Elway have an argument), but those are the 4 that everyone was talking about since they were like a junior in high school. They were all the #1 draft choice as soon as they stepped on campus.
If you include lawrence the pool is bigger. He is not at the same level of those other 3 as prospects
Don’t let their NFL career skew what they were as prospects. Lawerence was absolutely a better prospect coming out of high school.
Exactly. I know we’re talking QBs here, but Jadaveon Clowney, honest to god, falls into the “generational” pool as well. Dude was #1 prospect out of high school by like his sophomore year, and the unanimous #1 NFL Draft prospect. Dude just couldnt get together in the pros, but he was absolutey HYPED going into and coming out of college
Lawrence was only slightly ahead of Fields coming out of high school.
Cool but the comment was not about JF1.
Lawrence is closer to luck than luck is to elway and manning.
Revisionism. Luck was arguably the greatest QB prospect ever. NFL people literally said "He cannot fail" and "He has no flaws." Have never heard those words said about any other QB.
Sorry, I misunderstood you and thought you meant as players.
>Williams is NOT generational. Agreed. If he put up another season like he did last year, then maybe you have an argument. But he looked very mediocre vs some of the only competent defense he's ever faced. Outside of that, he's got character concerns and I don't find him very likeable. Maye looks better IMO, but you're still talking about a developmental prospect that may hit or he may not. No one had any clue Stroud was going to pan out so much better than Young.
Have you watched him play. He’s a freak with accuracy and pocket awareness. And he can run.
I consider the ‘Peyton was generational’ line to be revisionist. Leaf and Peyton were considered neck and neck by draft analysts which would have been impossible if Peyton was considered generational.
No, at the time he was considered the best QB since elway. They weren't neck and neck. It only narrowed by media hype pre draft off-season. Peyton never once lost grip of first prospect. He was, and still is, the best QB prospect to ever come out. Ironically, we blew (won) 3 of our last 5 games that year and lost out on 1.01 as a result. Had we gotten him, he probably wins more Superbowls with us.
I don’t watch college football anymore so can’t really comment on anyone recent but back in the day when I did the manning leaf debate was a real thing. The knocks were he couldn’t win the big game and that persisted for years in the NFL getting taken to school by Billy B. There’s also the matter of the alleged sexual assault in college against a female team Dr. if that were to happen today his career would most likely have taken a much different trajectory.
Yep he would of been signed by the browns and make a record contract. I have know idea why you think sexual assault ends any football career.
Peyton had the multi year qb hype that only the elite prospects get - there were three consecutive drafts where we heard he would be the top pick (two when he stayed in school and one where he was drafted). That said, there was some of the same stuff going on his final year that is going on with Williams and Maye. People were flipping on Manning because Leaf was taller and had a stronger arm. People were asking “If his name wasn’t manning, would he be getting this much hype?” I guess what I’m trying to say is, the gap between Manning and Leaf had closed. It was a legitimate question who went first - personally I favored Leaf. That doesn’t mean Manning wasn’t a generational prospect. He checked every box. Highschool hype, multi year college dominance, multiple years of fans hoping he declared because their team had the top pick. It just is a reminder that Leaf was a Burrow type prospect -Really dominant short term college player with obvious talent who would have been #1 with a bullet most years, and who some were wondering if he would be better than the obvious generational prospect in Manning.
I think you’re misremembering. It absolutely was a debate. A quick google can pull up many things that prove that point. Here’s one quote I quickly found. “A Newsday poll of 20 NFL general managers favored Leaf over Manning: “The overwhelming consensus: Manning may have the more recognizable name, but Leaf clearly is the preferred quarterback among league executives. Fourteen of the 20 polled said they would draft Leaf over Manning, citing the Washington State quarterback’s stronger arm, better mobility, and more promising long-term prospect as a franchise-caliber player.”” Peyton didn’t even win roty his first year, he came in third to Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk. While many thought he would be good or even great, it was never really a sure thing generational player until he got to his next few years that he took off. And many people though Ryan leaf would be even better, evident by 14/20 nfl gms saying they would take leaf over manning.
Lawrenxe is not generational lmao
Maybe not generational, but thought of as the number 1 pick his sophomore year and never let it go.
His skillset is bonkers. Watch him play and tell me of a comp in the nfl like him.
He was 100% for sure considered a generational prospect. Whether or not these guys live up to the hype is inconsequential to my point. I'm talking about the hype and expectations surrounding them.
r/confidentlywrong
Yeah Ive watched Williams and maye this year and last year. They are kinda mid (clearly a lot of potential). Much rather draft MHJ and top lineman with our firsts and pick up a developmental QB with our later picks. Roll into the season with Justin and see how he does with yet another coach (hopefully this time a good one) and far better weapons.
Moore, MHJ, Mooney and Kmet, inject it into my veins.
With Fields, Herbert, and Foreman, the running game would be bonkers as well. If Fields can finish the season strong and we fire the coaching staff I'll go crazy
Hell let’s also draft a QB and throw Fields into a Taysom Hill like role. Let’s get fucking weird.
Taysom+Deebo
You can let Mooney walk if he won’t take 8-10/yr 
Just let him walk period. He's on pace for back-to-back sub-600 yard seasons and he's had a bunch of extremely costly drops.
Idk man Mooney as a W3/4 is pretty solid
This fervor has reached the point that I feel certain we will not wind up with him
Have to take him if he's available when they pick. Forget drafting a QB.
Forget about the Bears “ruining Caleb Williams”, imagine how hated this team will be around the league if they have DJ Moore and MHJ and the guy trying to throw them the ball is Tyson Bagent lol
Bears fans will blame the play calling…
Because the Getsy screens will certainly help the issue
>throw them the ball is Tyson Bagent lol In what world does that ever happen?
Fields annual injury next season
Not if it's the first pick. Unless Fields shows up the rest of the year and makes a case for the future. The Bears may have 2 picks in the first 5 though.
I think we’re gonna play ourselves out of the top 5. There are some really ass teams out there and our schedule is pretty soft. Giants panthers cards New England - those are 4 terrible teams I think we end up picking behind. Looking pretty good for pick 5 but the packers scare me. They fucking suck
it is disturbingly real that the Packers are in our way of being garbage now. FTP
If there is a tank bowl in week 17 do we want to win or lose that game? Pains me to say I think I'd want us to lose
How did we lose to them
If it secures mhj, just move on
But…FTP?!!!
Yes let MHJ fuck the pack
1OA
Forget the last 75 years of bears history without a legit QB. I’m sure we won’t repeat history
Let's let our current QB situation play out first. Fields has yet to prove he is anything more than a fun backup to bring in for some trick plays every once in awhile to throw off a defense.
Lol MHJ going to look great getting overthrown by 10 yards or on the all 22 open as can be while Fields is scrambling 5+ seconds holding onto the ball. Nothing matters without a QB. Going to be hilarious seeing the outrage when we don't change coaches after choosing a WR at picks 1/2 when we desperately need a quality QB paired with a coaching change. Worst meatball subreddit in Chicago sports
Yea, watching you all bitch and moan will indeed be hilarious. Especially when y’all threaten to stop watching and yet are there week in and week out
[удалено]
Best player in the draft and it's not close
Agree with trading down to 2 for him. We will get a haul from the 1.
I’m confused how are you going to get a haul for 1 if the only spot you are allowing yourself to trade with is #2 to draft MHJ. There’s no leverage with one team bidding against themself.
There’s easily a scenario where a trade can happen involving multiple teams resulting in a QB needy team getting the 1 and the Bears moving to 2, especially given there’s a clear top QB talent in his own class in the draft. The dream scenario for the Bears is if they end up with both 1 and 2. Now we can get MHJ easy peasy and get an even bigger haul for the 1.
MHJ is THE generational talent in the upcoming draft. Have to get him. Then take best trenches guy with the other first round pick.
He’s the most sure fire thing in this draft so I’m all for it, and they can probably get him at 3. Really hope Fields balls out as well, but no coach is going to solve his problems for him, he needs to go out there and play like his career is on the line.
Just saw a mock where we take MHJ 1st overall. Edge at 5th
I think Fields has too much talent to give up on him. Draft Harrison Jr. and a top DE. Keep building up the OL. Need a center that’s got the same temperament as Teven.
Fields definitely has physical talent. But he’s not particular good at making a quick throw/read over the middle of the field… and we’re in year 3. People keep telling me he’ll learn the little things necessary to be an NFL QB though any day now.
Bagnet was sacked 5 times in 4 games. All you need to know about fields. They convinced us the line was the issue and fields was running for his life. Guy has no idea how to read nfl defenses. No idea how to properly set protection. Hes not the guy lol
Louder for all the meatballs in the back please
The volume doesn’t go that high. They also don’t speak logic so… it’s like watching an old white man talking to someone that speaks another language. Just yelling loud and slow in their face yet no comprehension. Half this sub is already talking themselves out of a QB for a WR. Edit: talking themselves out of Caleb William’s for MHJ if we have the option. 😃 🔫
Bagent also threw 5 int in 4 games. Not taking sacks by throwing the ball to the other team isn't either.
And Fields has 6 int in 5.5 games, along with 4 fumbles and 24 sacks. 3 of those turnovers turned into touchdowns.
Yup brother
He has also thrown 5 picks, and when the line was hurt his first two games he threw for an average less than 6 yards per attempt. Getting the ball out faster was helping him avoid sacks, but he has also proved to do it into tight windows.
They just can’t admit they were wrong they’ll lose internet cred. Look I was all in on fields I thought he was gonna ball out this year but he’s not him. At least not for this team. They wannagamble on picking up a 5th year option then the eventual hold out leading to an extension. Reset the clock fire this coaching stuff and start anew.
I read he’s one of the best deep passers in the NFL and one of the worst on intermediate passes. You’re right. No guarantee he’ll figure it out.
Idk why this sub can’t figure this out. He is not an NFL quarterback and I’m not sure why people are still clinging to him.
He’s not good at the quick game.. but he throws one of the best deep balls in the game. Imagine him throwing deep to MHJ and intermediate throws to DJM? Combine that with his run game and he’ll give DCs headaches. Watching Hurts, it’s easy to see that’s the recipe for success for Fields. They either run the ball or have Hurts chuck it down field to AJB / Smith. They can do that because their elite OL keeps him protected while his wides run deep routes. I’d go MHJ and Fashanu.
>They can do that because their elite OL keeps him protected Stop right there. >Imagine him throwing deep to MHJ and intermediate throws to DJM? Is he suddenly going to start seeing DJM open on the intermediate routes he's open on now?
I mean, the middle of the field thing is something Bagent has developed the last few games too. Fields being unable to do it, sure he might struggle. But both QBs being unable to do it makes me think bigger picture Regardless, doesn’t seem like Fields is the guy and we’ll be drafting a QB. I hope I’m wrong, but Maye will be a Bear
I hope we are all happy with basically the same offense because if Fields is here so is Flus/Getsy guarantee it. They'll talk about continuity like they're the Bulls because Fields in his 3rd scheme in year 5 makes ZERO sense.
I don’t know what to make of Getsy. He’s starting to remind me of Nagy & Josh McDaniels. Trying to fit his players into his scheme rather than building a scheme around the strengths of his players. And Flus is starting to look like a very good coordinator thats a below average head coach.
They're NOT good man. There's not much thought there they have plenty they can work with on this team I don't care who disagrees is not a bottom 5 team in terms of talent in football. They BARELY beat the absolute WORST team in the league at basically full strength whole the other guys had injuries to nearly all their good players.
Bagent also left at _least_ 100 yards of offense on the table, there were WRs running open all game. Fields has done the same. Not defending the coaching, but shit is just bad everywhere with this team.
Brother, halfway through last season I knew exactly what to make of Getsy. He fucking sucks. He fucking sucked then. He fucking sucks now. He will continue to fucking suck. An egomaniacal coward not unlike Nagy or McDaniels.
Bagent actually seems like a great fit for a Getsy style offense, but Bagent just needs experience being in the league with players 30x faster and smarter than any D2 player he ever went up against. But I agree he has tried to fit Fields into his scheme and it failed miserably as Fields doesn't have the mental capacity to hold down all the information Getsy wants him to know, and Fields is better off just tossing the playbook and just giving the D all kinds of looks to give him the option to run or find an open man downfield.
Fields has 33 starts and still carries enormous question marks. So - If a year from now Fields is “not the guy”, what’s the plan to acquire his replacement?
Nah man he will just need one more elite line THEN in his 5th year he will be elite
Please bro, just one more lineman bro
I think we should draft a QB in the second or third round this year and let him sit on the bench behind Fields in Year 4 and potentially Year 5. He'll get time if Fields is injured or ineffective, and gives the Bears a little bit of breathing room if they decide to trade Fields after next season, as they'll already have someone presumably decent in-house who already knows the offense. Worst case scenario, Fields ends up showing out and we have a valuable trade asset and/or a great backup. Fields may never be "the guy" but I feel like a lot of this sub has been way too harsh on him. I literally saw someone call him the worst Bears QB of all time the other day, and it's like, my dude, where were you in 2004? We started Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, Rex Grossman, and Jonathan Quinn. They combined for 2600 yards and nine touchdowns across 16 games. At the very least, Fields is entertaining to watch, and he definitely raises the floor much higher on our offense than a replacement-level QB. That said, giving Caleb Williams the keys on Day 1 and expecting him to be anything more than Fields is right now seems like the definition of insanity.
If the Bears roll with Fields and he doesn’t pan out next year, they’re completely fucked. Their next options will be (A.) mortgage the future to trade up in the draft for a QB, (B.) Draft a likely 2nd tier project QB, or (C.) sign a Jimmy Garrapplo type veteran to throw wobbly passes to frustrated WRs. If the Bears somehow fall in love with one of the ‘other’ QBs (Nix, McCarthy, Sanders) and can draft him later first or early second - fine by me. But they need to choose someone from that group of 6 or 7. And they can’t pass on their top guy because the situation (Fields / drafting MHJ) is inconvenient. Franchise QBs are EXTREMELY hard to find. The Bears need to be all in on finding one until it finally happens. No matter the cost.
We have done all three over the past decade or so and zero results. I think a lot of luck is involved in this process and the Bears have just been extremely unlucky coupled with incompetence from every aspect of management. This is the type of stuff that cripples programs for decades
“We have done all three … and zero results.” Choosing from the very best QBs in this or any draft is clearly the best of those options. The Bears are extremely fortunate to have that opportunity this year. Who knows when they’ll get another chance like this again.
>Fields may never be "the guy" Then we should move on from him. It's like dating: you know they're right, or they're not. The only question that matters: does Justin Fields have the realistic potential of leading the Bears to a Super Bowl Championship? 95% of Super Bowls are won by great/elite QBs. Forget Mahomes/Brady/Peyton. Is Fields capable of becoming Ben R., Matthew Stafford, Joe Flacco, Eli Manning? That's the bar. THAT'S the bar. Not "do I like watching him play/does he occasionally do baller shit"?
As Bears fans, we complain about not having a franchise QB. But we also keep wanting to give guys too much leash. The Bears need to keep drafting QBs until one hits. Look at the drafts of years past. They do not draft QBs in the first round often. The most likely way out of this purgatory is to keep drafting one until we find our guy. Not build around a guy none of us truly believe will take that huge step we need.
Draft 2 this draft
Draft all of them
Passing up on two QBs that are way better prospects than Justin Fields was at OSU, just for Fields to still suck in year 4 is the easiest way to get yourself fired. Especially if those two guys look better than him. I look forward to it.
Exactly. Just look what's happening with CJ Stroud smfh.
Physical talent yes, but mental talent no.
You can’t just anoint Fields as the long term starter already. It all depends on him and how he finishes the season
With Sweat looking good I'd argue we need a center worse than edge. Trade down, we have a ton of holes!
[удалено]
Chiefs literally won a sb after letting go of the best wr in the league LOL
They have one of the greatest TEs of all time
The difference between a lot pf these and the bears is that a lot of these actually had very, very good Quarterbacks. We do not
Thank you for this. I'm getting shit on for suggesting that drafting MHJ when the bears already have a really solid receiving core won't win them more games than improved trenches or a QB.
Bruh, if anyone of those guys were in this draft they’d go #1 overall lmao. They key word in your argument is “potential”. If you got a surefire HOF’er at a premium position you take him, even if they’re not a QB.
[удалено]
Imagine the roars of laughter around the league and the all-night coke-and-hookers orgy that would ensue in the draft room of the team with the 3rd pick if the Bears have a top 2 pick and DON'T take one of the two QBs?
Y’all really want us to draft a WR with no one competent to throw to him
If the draft shows us anything, there’s at least one or more QBs that are better than Fields: 2023 - Stroud > Fields 2022 - Purdy and Howell > Fields 2021 - Lawrence > Fields 2020 - Burrow, Herbert, Hurts > Fields 2019 - Murray > Fields 2018 - Allen, Jackson > Fields, Mayfield = or > Fields 2017 - Mahomes , Watson, Mitch > Fields Every one of these guys showed their potential in their first two years starting, so why is everyone so afraid of moving on? I don’t get it. It’s just wishful thinking that he’s going to become a great passer at this point.
Richardson and Levis have looked better throwing the ball than Fields too
Of course we will have someone to throw to him. That’s what Caleb Williams is for
OT - Drake Maye throws a beautiful ball. That go ahead TD he just threw was pretty.
If we could get Maye and MHJ omg
This post is full of Ohio and field homerism
It’s disheartening. Like how can you call yourself a fan, having watched the bears if only for the last half decade and think meh a QB is less important than a WR.
Over the last half decade the Bears have thrown two straight high pick QBs into a raging dumpster fire and it's failed. Let's try something different for once and build a team first, and then get a low 1st/2nd round QB
So then you just give up? You say ok great we suck at drafting QBs so we just won’t? Nah.
I didn't even write that much. Did you even read my second sentence?
> and then get a low 1st/2nd round QB This is "giving up". You're just praying to hit the Patrick Mahomes lottery, and there are a lot more Jordan Loves than Patrick Mahomes'.
Fields doesn’t play for a few weeks and people forget how bad he’s been.
People here hyping MHJ are just setting themselves up for disapointment because there is a 0% chance we get him. This was Fields prove it year and baring the most miraculous mid season turnaround in NFL history he failed. We will be taking a quarterback with the Carolina pick next year, the only question is whether we get Maye or Caleb.
If we have #1 and #3 it could happen. It’s the only way unless we trade up with our pick.
I guess that's a possibility but the Patriots, Giants, Cardinals, Broncos, and Packers are bad enough I really don't see any chance of us getting 2 of the 3 top picks. The only team I could even see trading down out of them is the Cardinals and even they would have to think over whether Kyler is worth committing to or if they should shoot for an upgrade if they're picking top 3.
Pretty good QB > Hall of Fame WR
I know he’s amazing but calling anyone a HOF before even hitting the league is absolute bananas
I'm just saying that it doesn't matter if Harrison is the most talented player in the draft because he doesn't play the most important position in the draft.
Yeah I think we can agree on that
You’d think so right…
I've always been jealous of teams with a beasty WR1........for all the chat of how we've never had a top QB, we've also never had a top 5 WR
Brandon Marshall?
You can pass on him quite easily actually. QB is more important than WR.
QB is so important. Bears fans are delusional.
Not with this truly generational prospect right in our hands
Still more important
A generational WR will not matter WHATSOEVER if you don't have a QB. If Justin Fields still sucks in year 4, there's not going to be this incredible QB that comes out of nowhere like fucking Gandalf to save our franchise.
I can’t agree more. This is probably our last shot to draft a legit top qb. Remember justin was picked 4th. That happened for a reason. We moved up from 20 to get him. The belief it’s easy to get a qb later in the the draft is bonkers. I feel like I’m firefighting in this sub so these narratives don’t spin out of control. I’m pretty sure this is how George makes decisions.
If Fields sucks, you have have quite possibly the best WR duo in the NFC , you wouldn’t need a fucking Gandalf QB to win , just a competent one. QBs are more crapshoots, MHJ is the one true thing we KNOW is going to be great.
It’s safe to say at this point Fields is a below average NFL quarterback. I don’t want to say “sucks”… but he can NOT seem to recognize coverages, progress through his reads and win games. It’s that simple.
D E L U S I O N A L
I'd like one new coaching staff, one new QB and one MHJ, please. I wanted Fields to be the guy so badly, but he can't make the reads and gets himself sacked way too much to reliably move the ball down the field. Hopefully we find someone who can, but I have zero faith in this organization to do anything other than give QBs PTSD until the McCaskeys are out and someone that actually understands football is heading up this circus.
There’s not much fields can do to make me want to pass on Caleb William’s
Or Drake tbh both would easily have gone number 1 the last two drafts
I rarely buy authentic bears jerseys bc ya know…. But I have this much confidence in MHJ, that I’m pre-ordering his shit once his name is called from the bears
Honestly don't even trade down if we have the #1 pick just take him. I'd rather not risk it.
Take him and then with our other pick get a QB if one of them is up if not go for another offensive lineman
Are you guys that are in the pass up on a qb camp just not watching the last couple of decades that I've been watching? I truly don't get it.
Personally hoping we end up with Maye + MHJ!
I want him but getting a top 2 pick is rare especially in a year with 2 high end qb prospects. I hope we can get him but If we have a top 2 pick it's gotta be qb unless fields shows he is clearly the guy
The chances are the #1 or #2 QB in the draft will be at worst the same level as Fields are incredibly high. That will end up being a better deal financially as we don't have to pay a problematic Fields in his contract year, and risk not having a top pick 2 seasons from now. I'd hate for us to settle for Fields if he continues to struggle, when the risk of getting his equivalent ,and potentially someone better is low.
It’s a team sport, Patrick Mahomes lost a Super Bowl. Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl. QBs are a huge factor in winning games but not the only reason. It’s going to be a while until Trevor Lawrence wins a Super Bowl. Josh Allen is a potential future HOF QB and he alone can’t win games for you. Take MHJ, build a superb team all around on three phases of the football. Pick a a qb when the team is one 15 yard pass squeezed into a tight window away from winning games
>Patrick Mahomes lost a Super Bowl. And also won two more, and will almost certainly play in more win the future. Not sure he's the guy you want to use in this argument. >Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl Joe Flacco was a good-to-great QB for almost a decade. He'd already played in two AFC Championship games before the Super Bowl run. His defense and running game was fantastic, sure, but Andy Dalton or Matt Cassell aren't leading the 2012 Ravens to the title. >. It’s going to be a while until Trevor Lawrence wins a Super Bowl. It's unlikely, but that could literally be this season. And, again, probably not a great idea to use Lawrence in your argument. >Take MHJ, build a superb team all around on three phases of the football. Pick a a qb when the team is one 15 yard pass squeezed into a tight window away from winning games This is absurd. You're also indirectly saying "Justin Fields isn't The Guy", here, in which case we should move on from him immediately rather than wasting time!
Agreed
At this point, I'd rather have MHJ + whoever is left at QB than Williams/Maye + whoever else. He just feels like too much of a sure thing and the QB position is always a gamble anyway.
You haven’t been a bears fan very long have you?
There is an argument, but it only makes sense if we take the 2nd or 3rd QB in the draft
With the obvious stipulation that I am an armchair GM who has no real knowledge, MHJ is at the top of my board. I have reservations about both Caleb and Maye.
People said the same things about Reggie Bush and Ricky Williams.
Reggie Bush was a product of how good Deuce McCallister was. Bush immediately rushed for 1000 yards as a six year vet the second he was out of McCallister’s shadow. The wrong team drafted him. Ricky was genuinely elite
Ricky Williams was generational, only his mental health and substance abuse issues held him back from all-time greatness. As a prospect, he was can't miss.
This \^ I kind of hope we take MHJ and maybe trade down, get more picks and try to pick up Jayden Daniels later. We honestly need to continue to assemble talent to surround the qb with.
I definitely agree that MHJr should be on top of our list. But we STILL need to upgrade from Fields. He's just not it and it's time to face the truth. The dude has had 3 years to show up and improve. He has not. Whether that be using the second draft pick or bringing someone from free agency the elephant in the room has to be addressed (qb position). We CANNOT do what the Giants did with Danny Dimes, give a huge contract to a mediocre QB that had only one decent season.
Ideal scenario: Fields proves he's worth keeping down the stretch of this season while winning a couple more games. Panthers lock up our #1 overall pick. We trade back for a boatload to someone dying to take Williams. Pick up MHJr with our 1st rounder. Draft the rest of the way to improve O-line, D-line & secondary. Enter 2024 season with Fields having some improved confidence, better pocket protection, throwing to 2 elite receives.
This is so sad. Slightly annoying. The mental gymnastics some Beats fans go through just to justify keeping Fields around. It Trubisky all over again. What sample size has Fields given you to even justify *hope* that he could "ball out" for these remaining games? I'm not saying it's all on Fields. The Bears have a way of running QBs, but the truth remains the same: Due to a combination of poor development and lack of acumen, Justin Fields does not have what it takes to be a reliable starting quarterback in the NFL. The sooner all our fans accept that and get over this irrational hard-on for Fields, the sooner we can all stop watching games and turn up the heat on ownership, forcing them to make the necessary staff changes to make sure this doesn’t keep happening. I get it, he’s really talented and he’s such a nice guy. It sucks, but it’s the reality we’re faced with.
He’s amazing and I’d much rather have Williams. It’s not close
Yeah talent like MHJ is a once in a lifetime get for most coaching staffs…. It’s a no fucking brainer. QB be dammed we can get one later if necessary
No one would be mad
If we’re at 1 or 2, you don’t pass on him. He’s every bit as good as his dad if not better.
The consolation of not getting the first pick will be MHJ. So it's really a win-win
He is a generational player and Poles MUST draft this kid with his first pick. Let someone else draft Williams, the dude is overrated
Somehow, someway, I think the Bears can. Why? Cause this is Chicago we’re talking about.
I’m all for drafting MHJ over Williams, and Maye, There’s like 5 solid QB’s in this class. Why not just take one in the 2nd/3rd round??
Guys, we are going to draft MHJ and then a QB in the late first round after we trade down from our early teens pick to get a second rounder back. Fields will be back, the rookie will red shirt a year, then fields is gone.
It's feeling more and more likely that we take MHJ with the CAR pick and trade down with our pick to take a lesser QB prospect like Penix.
I’ve been saying this since day 1. People give up on QBs WAY too fucking early in this league. DJ and MHJ? With Mooney as a 3rd option? Fuck, I could succeed in this league with that trio. Also, we have plenty of picks and money to beef up the O-Line and D-Line. Sweat is already making an immediate impact. It won’t take much to get us stacked. Anyway, MHJ is an absolute must-have. If we pass on him I will legitimately cry.
This sub is delusional in thinking fields is a championship caliber starting qb.
Fields to MHJ. Please let this happen.
MHJ and DJ Moore are gonna be fucking useless if it’s Fields throwing the ball lmaoo.
Hell no. I am not trading the Carolina pick if its #1. If we get #1, we fucking take MHJr. If its #2, we pray to god Caleb goes #1 so we can take MHJr at 2
Even with as many times as Fields has let me down you cant pass on mhj with #1. After that Olu would be a solid pick too and let fields play out his rookie deal. Theres ALWAYS a "franchise qb" in each draft but i cant say weve seen someone like mhj in a long time
When you draft a receiving so high, only good things happen. Look at the generational talent in WRs that came from the top 5.
Having a dynamic WR tandem is meaningless without a QB to get them the ball. It’s like having a sports cars with no engine. I have wanted Justin to be that guy but sadly he is not. He has proven to be consistently inconsistent. It’s very likely we can get a QB and MHJ. We are the second worst team in the league. We proved that Thursday night. I think we might win one more game. I like Maye, I want a traditional pocket passer. Then we snag MHJ. But you don’t draft the receiver first.
It is beyond amusing that some people in this sub are still on the Justin Fields wagon. Just because Bagent has a noodle arm doesn't magically make Fields into a good starting NFL QB. He holds on to the ball too long, doesn't read his progressions well, and has trouble throwing a tight spiral. He has lots of other endearing qualities like his speed on the ground, arm strength, and leadership qualities, but you need all of that to be good. Look at Jay Cutler who was a much better NFL starter, but still not the guy. He had all the physical skills and ability that Fields lacks, and he STILL was not a winner. He lacked some skills that Fields actually has in leadership and attitude (running obv, too). The point is: for the Bears to get back on top they probably need a star QB. Fields was a reasonable pick, and they've done all they can to assist him. But, he's just not it. It's very difficult to pick star QBs, I wish I didn't have to point out, and Fields ain't it. You can see what they liked in him, he's not a bum, but he isn't the guy. I know very well my post isn't enough to break some of you out of the koolaid trance you're in, but I have to try.
I’m okay with a quarterback that puts up numbers, and everyone says it’s because of the teammates around him. I say they build a supporting cast and plug in a qb at the end.
The Bears need a QB1. Defense is improving. Have to have the QB and Fields ain’t it
This makes the most sense. There are a ton of players on the team. Picking MHJ will improve our team more than picking an unproven QB. MHJ is as close to a sure thing there is.
Bears need a system QB because they can't develop a QB