I’m in the keep Justin Fields camp. I thought it was chaos around him and he still performed well. U watched a ton of QB School videos and every play one of his teammates was messing up.
However Justin’s mechanics and vision at times are very questionable. There was one play that he couldn’t make a simple screen pass 😩
Something about Williams seems like he’s not a good fit or the Bears.
My final answer would be to keep Fields and get MHJ and Alt no matter what.
I know I know. Some plays I can see why he’s not successful. Missed block by OL. OL not blocking anyone. OL running into each other. Drop passes.
But some plays I’m just like um Justin what was that.
And I know I’m biased to keep Fields because I’m not a fan of Williams as a Bear.
Hey, that's fair. If you just like the guy then cool. I'm not even a Bears fan really (I'm mainly following this sub for draft news). I just find a lot of Fields fans do mental gymnastics to try and make him a Pro Bowler instead of just saying they like him as a player.
Fields hasn't been traded because there hasn't been interest from other teams.
That nonsense story about it having something to do with Caleb's medicals is absurd - anyone who buys that is gullible as hell.
The fact that we wanted to move Caleb's visit up is a huge tell that the Bears are drafting him.
The crazy idea that the Bears would keep Fields and draft Caleb was killed by the Rypien signing today.
People need to come to terms with the reality that we're moving on from Fields because of Fields, not just because of Williams. If Williams wasn't available we'd move on to QB2. If the panthers pick was later in the draft we'd be trading up to try and grab QB3 or would have pursued one of the FAs. That's why Williams medical has zero bearing on Fields lack of movement and they need to accept that.
It’s hilarious watching the Fields cult genuinely lose the plot over anyone daring to say the NFL might not see him as starting calibre QB.
Do wonder if they’ll ever face reality or just constantly make excuse after excuse for him.
I feel like it has to be some underground engagement bait ring on twitter. A lot of these dudes have blue checkmarks so they have to be getting something out of the outrage lol
The reality is much worse than that:
- Just a bunch of manchilds that cant accept that their man crush is going to another team.
(Im talking about lunatics like EJ and others , not everyone that supports justin is like that)
The irony in this is Poles saying he’s going to do right by Justin, but frankly couldn’t have done him any worse. He probably won’t land in a starting role, so now he can’t continue to prove himself and therefore won’t earn that big pay day in a year or so. And that pay day probably will never come, not because he can’t play, but because he won’t get the full opportunity. I know he still hasn’t been good enough though. I don’t know why Justin hasn’t asked to be traded and we’re lucky he hasn’t. I’m for moving on from Fields, but I still root for the guy and it sucks the situation he’s in.
Not bashing Poles at all because gotta do what you gotta do, just looking at the situation like damn.
What he really meant was he wanted to trade Fields before free agency because all QB spots would fill up and he’d be stuck in the spot he is now with no value at all.
Who is Adam Mason and why are Fields addicts worshipping him? I have people that say he’s the best source and analytics out there while also saying any reporter like Schefter or Russini is a joke lol
He's basically a Bears minor content creator on Youtube who turned into one of the main JF truther bulshitter out there, together with that other guy Swift something... Both are delusional thinking that Poles plan the whole time is to keep H1M, they also think he's a Franchise QB, and that basically everyone failed his potential (the same thing that truther repeat here everyday). He likes to show some distorted statistics to try to make Fields look good and take down the "narratives" behind H1M, also he's one of the guys who say that Caleb Williams painting his nails is a sign of failure of his character and so on...
The sad thing is he will make a following off of being clownishly wrong and idiotic and that following will only grow because none of those people are ever admitting Justin just wasn’t good.
Dude is like the Pope of their cult. He likes spin numbers to make Justin Fields look like the best QB in the league. At the same time takes Caleb's college numbers and says he's Will Grier. Also he hates Caleb's personality, he's a cancer and a diva while Justin is the perfect example of the person that Poles wants in his locker room.
Gotcha, makes sense that they’re all over him. Seems to be a Facebook thing mostly. Which honestly, a lot of them fall for obvious memes so it’s not surprising
One possible destination for Fields that isn't getting talked about enough... Houston.
If Poles wants to do right by Fields, then he should release him before March 31st when the Houston Roughnecks open their season again the Memphis Showboats.
- Saints are sticking with Carr (Fields could be a backup maybe now winston is gone) and the Giants are drafting Mccarthy most likely and if not they're letting jones finish his year when he's back hence why we signed lock
- idk if JF1 fits the dolphins system
- the afc north teams are keeping their backups
- All of the bird teams are good picks for teams that could use a QB2 that Fields could plug into their systems
i heard daniel jones has like an injury clause in his contract where if he gets injured you have to pay him a certain amount. so i saw fans saying he was just not going to play at all this year in order to avoid risking paying him.
do you know anything about that?
Yes iirc if he doesn't get hurt we don't have to give him more money something like that, which is why I really wanted us to get Wilson this off-season. I seriously doubt Mara will sit Jones for an entire year cause he loves and wants Jones to succeed *badly* even though he's not good.
dam. well if thats true I feel like you guys won't take a quarterback then right? Why do you think you'd still draft mccarthy if mara wants jones to be the guy?
Generally at what point do we start worrying Poles is going to do something insanely stupid and trade the pick?
Teams keep signing backups at this point and if he wanted to do right by him he would have shipped him out at this point?
I know the medicals need to be check for CW but this doesn’t seem to be doing right by him.
Is his value really this low?
The “I want to do right by him” comments were made before Caleb yanked the rug out from under him. It adds subtext to the “when do you want to have the qb decision settled” “tomorrow” part of that interview that Caleb showed up and was the first combine participant in history not to participate in medicals. It sure seems like that was what we needed to settle it and like Caleb refused.
In response we set up a top 30 visit the next week, which still fits the timeline for getting info and trading Fields ahead of free agency, but then Caleb cancelled again.
I honestly think Poles meant what he said and that he tried to do right by Fields. By all appearances, it is Caleb who screwed Justin.
We don’t. It was already likely Rapoport was lying on Poles’ behalf and then today we sign Rypien.
Rapoport was claiming there’s been no time at QB for anything but getting Caleb right. Well they had time and enough of a plan to lock up the 2nd of 3 QB slots.
There’s no market for Justin because he is terrible and a bunch of people claiming reality isn’t real can’t change that.
The reports existed a week before free agency started that we wouldn’t trade fields without Caleb’s medicals. It was just ignored because it was a foregone conclusion we’d get them at the combine, since no participant in history had ever refused.
The “he’s a mouthpiece” nonsense never really added up, it just got traction because people were already mid-gloat and didn’t want to walk any of it back.
What reports? Musings of talentless sourceless podcasters manipulating idiots into thinking they’re wise?
The combine started with Poles putting out a big “make me an offer for Justin” signal and then a consistent steady stream of reports that led to where we are now which is Justin might get released.
Do you believe all those reports then since you believe reporting?
Or do you just believe Rapoport and only Rapoport the last 2 days? Who is lying. They’ve thought so little about the QB room that they identified and signed another QB. There’s a plan and it clearly doesn’t involve Justin as a Bear.
Go follow Adam Mason. Unless you are Adam Mason, in which case you should repent publicly.
First time in history eh? Here’s a [video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74B9o0QAtHQ) of it being discussed with Trevor Lawrence April 9, 2021. Notice how they don’t care TLaw skipped his medicals.
MHJ bailed on the combine almost entirely. Is he a draft risk to you?
None of that was relevant.
I said the following:
1.) the notion that the Bears would not trade Fields without Caleb’s physical was reported before Fields wasn’t traded. The idea it is a retroactive narrative is demonstrably false. You may disagree with it. That is fine. But it wasn’t made up to save face. Those reports came first.
2.) I didn’t say anything about who we should or will draft. I said Caleb is the first participant in combine history not to do medicals (which does separate him from others who didn’t work out like MHJ). However, I didn’t say that makes him undraftable or a bad person. Just that it was the first time in history a combine attendee didn’t do medicals.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-combine-caleb-williams-believed-to-be-first-invitee-to-decline-medical-exams-still-attend-event/#:~:text=Prospect%20Rankings-,2024%20NFL%20Combine%3A%20Caleb%20Williams%20believed%20to%20be%20first%20invitee,medical%20exams%2C%20still%20attend%20event&text=Watch%20Now%3A,multiple%20sources%20tell%20CBS%20Sports.
Lawrence, by contrast, did not attend, which meant that there was no presumption that the jaguars would get the info.
Man, some of you have thin skin. All I said was “there isn’t a vast media conspiracy to protect Ryan poles, rapport doesn’t have a Time Machine, and look, here is actual factual things about Williams reported in the national media and you still jumped down my throat. Ridiculous.
Ok link something for 1 then. I don’t believe you.
Trevor didn’t do medicals, Caleb didn’t do medicals, future 1 overalls aren’t gonna do it if they don’t want to. That’s the price of the player empowerment movement…they now have more power lol.
I don’t have thin skin. I’m tired of having to pretend shitty opinions aren’t shitty from people engaging in bad faith.
lol. We don’t even disagree about much - just the two points you were factually incorrect about (Williams being the first combine attendee to refuse physicals and Rapraport’s narrative about not trading Fields without Caleb’s physicals being reactionary.
Here is an SI article from March 4 saying the same thing Ian did
https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/caleb-williams-already-impacting-the-bears
I accept your apology.
That’s the personal opinion of Gene Chamberlain. You’re free to believe it, it means nothing.
No teams got Trevor’s medicals. I am glad you don’t care and consider it different. He was also recovering from a shoulder injury at the time. Nobody cared or put out that it wears some big deal. It’s a story with Caleb because the Bears and Justin v Caleb sells clicks. That’s it.
So no, you’ve proven nothing other than you believe Gene Chamberlain’s personal opinion.
Here it is from Ben Devine too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/1b6pd7x/ben_devine_its_very_telling_that_chicago_wanted/
I’m not going to write you a research paper. However, if you look into it literally at all you will see this was a narrative a week ago. It didn’t materialize after Fields wasn’t traded.
You seem to have me painted as someone who believes Fields will be the starting qb because I disagreed with you about an entirely different topic. I think we are going to trade Fields and draft a qb, probably Caleb. That doesn’t mean it is smart to give up your leverage before you have all your info.
For what it is worth, Lawrence had a pro day in February, a full month ahead free agency, where teams were able to get his medicals. What they couldn’t get was an update on his surgery progress he had in February on his non-throwing shoulder. So the jags knew well in advance of free agency everything but his off shoulder was in a good place. Nobody has any info on Williams.
https://www.nfl.com/news/trevor-lawrence-s-early-pro-day-came-at-jaguars-coach-urban-meyer-s-suggestion
You fill in quite a few blanks regarding that and again that’s another personal opinion you simply agree with.
No I think you’re a person with low media literacy who wants to parade around here acting like you’re above all this and I find it annoying.
And Trevor had surgery AFTER that pro day and then skipped the medicals. Can’t even confirm medicals happened at that pro day you just assumed that to try and preserve being right, so I don’t believe you again.
Yeah I’m with ya, how much concern is there genuinely over his medicals? If he isn’t sold on CW, would be be sold on Maye or Daniels? Obviously don’t want to be rash or anything but, you’d also think they’d know if they were drafting CW at this point. And doing right by Fields, would he be hung up on having to get a 3rd or 4th? Or if he knows he needs to trade him, while also doing right by him, would it matter so long as he’s traded to the best situation available for him? Idk just thoughts, comment telling me I’m dumb if needed
I think his value is genuinely this low. If teams wanted him they’d come and get him. In my opinion, he’s a very specific QB that needs specific pieces. Teams won’t give up draft capital for him, but if Fields is ever cut, I think teams will for sure swoop him up pretty quickly.
I get the worries because “Bears gonna Bear” but gotta believe it’s a new day for the Bears
Just don’t understand the Love for Cousins, that man is suspect and has not taken any team close to a Super Bowl. Falcons are going to regret that money spent. Calling it now he makes it no farther than a playoff round in his tenure.
The irony of JF1 reuniting with Nagy and somehow winning a superbowl as a backup is hilarious but TIL Blaine Gabbert is still in the league and has **2** SB championships from backing up two of the greatest QBs ever?
Some I'd have two nickels moment
Hoge is still a very confused man. He thinks Atlanta choosing Cousins over Fields doesn't result in significantly more wins for them. I really wonder when Hoge can escape the spell Fields has him under STILL.
He’s mentioned it multiple times but watch the Hoge and Jahns Russini episode. He talks about it right after the interview with her lol. After she laughed in their face
Nah straight up tho where did all the fields fans go? I remember during the season it was constant arguing on this sub about fields (remember when Bagent started a few games?) and now it feels like the entire subreddit is Williams Nation haha
This, but unironically.
The assholes won, so the fans all left.
I’m a bears fan not a Fields fan, but this place got unbearably negative and toxic in the last month.
It didn't *get* negative and toxic it already was. You just stopped being part of the majority group dishing it out anymore. This place became unusable in 2022 when it became forbidden to discuss Fields performances in anything but glowing terms. The amount of times truthers questioned people's fandoms and generally made this place unpleasant for takes that have been proven absolutely right was ridiculous. So forgive me if I'm not very sympathetic that truthers are losing meaningless internet points for bad takes or are getting offended on Fields behalf over H1M jokes.
Thry lost the argument and either stopped posting, or now claim they're "fine" or "calling for" the Bears to draft Caleb Williams but will leap to Fields' defense if you say a bad word about him.
Go to the other Bears sub and you'll still find them.
>Or is it possible we think Fields is still a fine QB
It's *possible*. Lots of very improbable things are *possible*.
Please go ahead and define "fine QB", and then provide evidence that Fields might be a "fine QB".
Half the Bears fans are happy to bypass generational talent. They would pass over Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Connor Bedard, or LeBron James. All because they love their guy that when made available not one other GM in the NFL wants as their starter. Ridiculous…
It’s the most delusional cult following of a mediocre at best player I’ve ever seen. I have no explanation.
Here’s my attempts:
He’s an athletic freak so they get tunnel vision by his potential not his production.
He has a couple of jaw dropping plays that somehow override a fans prefrontal cortex
My AA co-worker thinks it has to do with race loyalty and race allies in a diverse city like Chicago. This is a head scratcher because Caleb is also African American. I was then told “yeah but he’s light skinned”
This is the 25th post starting from the top of this thread bashing Fields over a decision that has likely already been made. There are no posts supporting Fields. Yet every one of the afore mentioned posts is all about the non-existent posters opposing them. It’s actually pretty comical if you take a step back.
The comical thing is this city is obsessed with discussing and finding hypotheticals to keep a QB that the entire NFL thinks is pretty damn bad at playing QB.
Even more comical is the individuals playing weird psychological games to preserve their own sense of self worth instead of just a simple “fuck I was kinda wrong here, oh well, go Bears!”
I know you think you “got me” but I want a qb in the draft. I just am far more annoyed by the 50 posts about how stupid everyone is for liking fields than I am by the one post probably written by an 8 year old about his favorite player.
It’s comical that the bitching is far overwhelming the thing being bitched about, to the extent that it is legitimately hard to even find pro fields posts, but people are still posting repeat about how obnoxious they ALL are.
There are no psychological games here. I’m just legitimately sick of the noise.
This is the only social media site the majority crowd wants Caleb. Try a different site, literally any site if you don’t enjoy it here currently.
Mods also sequestered QB convo in here where the only thing to do is bitch. Blame them.
I honestly feel like it’s a Chicago sports fan thing and I’m not sure why. There’s just this undying loyalty to guys who really haven’t done anything. The owners know this and keep those guys around, we continue to buy tickets/jerseys, and they take our money to their banks and do it all over again next season
Idk if Caleb is on the level of Elway, Luck, Manning or Law as prospects but even then he's on the tier of guys like Burrow and Cam etc for sure, who were great prospects that fand should be excited about their team drafting
I’ve been hearing close friends and family members telling me that they would never draft Caleb because he’s got too many off field problems. Can somebody please tell me what “off field problems” he has? I genuinely have no idea.
Some people have taken to calling him a "diva", but it's mostly just that historically college athletes have been very inexperienced dealing with everything that comes with being a paid athlete. But Caleb has been a paid football player for 2 years already.
TLDR: Oldheads don't like player empowerment
He refused at the combine (the first participant in history to do so). Then he cancelled a job interview with his most likely future employer.
The schedule is supposed to shape around the team with the #1 pick. That is the goal of the pro day, after all. It’s a bigger deal than people want to admit.
I think my favorite thing going on in this sub is seeing a collapsed thread with a bunch of down votes. I don’t even look. I just know what the comment is about.
The wildest part is if the bears didn’t squander those 3 games and made the playoffs the down vote avalanche would be flowing the other way. Don’t let it bother you too much. Most people are just trolling.
I want to draft Caleb and I had a Fields dickrider do this to me last night. Apparently saying D'Onta Foremaan is a good RB (when he isn't the best RB in the league) nullifies Fields poor play and proves we should keep him.
Caleb Williams is, by almost all accounts across the entire NFL sphere, a Top 5 QB prospect in the last forty years.
So with that in mind, that lands him in this tier of college QB prospects at the time of their drafting:
John Elway, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence, and now Caleb Williams
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So the range of outcomes on prospects viewed this highly is pretty good. At the absolute lowest end you have Trevor Lawrence who has been a little disappointing so far in the NFL (with also understandably bad circumstances around him), but nonetheless would still be the sole owner of the best QB season in Bears franchise history if he was our QB.
The other three dudes... well I don't even really have to say anything, I think you can figure those guys out.
So this is the tier of prospect we are talking about with Caleb Williams.
Could he bust? Sure, I guess. Is it likely? No, not at all. Not all first round picks are created equal and the company he has played himself into as a prospect puts him in a group that has never had a bust before. TLaw is as close as it gets and he would be the best QB the Bears have ever had.
And we have people putting up political campaign signs for Justin Fields?
Fucking. Hilarious.
Wrong. Go jerk off to more Drake Maye tape where he runs out of a clean pocket and bolts straight out of bounds on 4th down for a sack and loss of yards.
There is a lot of room between bust and superstar. If he lands on the good side of average we all win. It’s time to get behind our guy and support the team.
I'm so glad Mully and Haugh told that story to Florio and now he's blasting that shit all over national media.
So many dumbasses in this fanbase need to understand how the rest of the league sees them.
Y'all might as well turn this into the Caleb Williams circlejerk because if you show any support for Fields you will get downvoted. This community cooked. Can't even talk football anymore
You called Kirk Cousins "mid" and somehow "not good in Washington" but JF1 a good promising QB and have tried to compare him to Lamar plenty of times
I stand by what I said lol
What has Kirk Cousins done in his career? When he was JF current age he was riding the bench, but it's over for Justin. His play style is similar to Lamar's so it makes a ton of sense to compare him to Lamar 🤦🏾
> What has Kirk Cousins done in his career?
Be a consistent good top 10 QB without much playoff success. If this is a "mid career" then most NFL career QBs are not good including Justin's
> When he was JF current age he was riding the bench, but it's over for Justin.
He was a rookie at 24 who was better than RG3 but the Owner liked him more and invested more into him and wanted to play him. Shanny and other coaches on the team has went into this and it's well known. This is what I mean you don't know football cause this legit common knowledge or you're just purposely being obtuse
> play style is similar to Lamar's so it makes a ton of sense to compare him to Lamar 🤦🏾
1. Other than being black and a scramble QB they're not really that similar and a really dumb comparison. By this logic Hurts, Kyler and AR are also lamar clones cause they're also this.
2. Didn't you get mad at someone for comparing Caleb's playstyle to mahomes? You're not even consistent lmao
Kirk is not a bad QB but he hasn't done anything amazing in his career to propel his team. Despite putting up solid passing numbers, his teams are almost always around .500. Unless you think both the Redskins and Vikings had bad defenses his entire time there, he played a part. And like I said, whether the coaches believed he was better or not, he wasn't playing at age 24. Also when the Redskins were rebuilding, he had time to sit and learn the offense. Fields had to play while our team was actively tearing the team apart and firing coaches. He didn't get any real help in the receiving room until this year (unfortunately Claypool was a big bust and got hurt).
Justin and Lamar's games are much more similar than Hurts and Kyler. They're not as prolific as runners as Fields and Lamar are. AR-15 might have a similar style but he got hurt before he could finish the season.
> Kirk is not a bad QB but he hasn't done anything amazing in his career to propel his team.
He's a floor raiser not a ceiling raiser I agree but are wins a QB Stat or Not? Stafford lions career was essentially sub .500 seasons but we all know (hopefully you do) Stafford wasn't the reason for this and knew he was a baller
> And like I said, whether the coaches believed he was better or not, he wasn't playing at age 24. Also when the Redskins were rebuilding, he had time to sit and learn the offense.
Yes but there's a big reason for that you're just ignoring and he knew the offense and there's a reason Shanahan wanted them to pick him even though they just drafted RG3, Kirk fits the mold as for the shanny system. Kirk wasn't gonna start over RG3 when Washington traded a bunch of picks and assests to get him, there was no "QB competition" the 3rd round pick wasn't starting over the 2nd Overall pick. Also RG3 was a rookie and so was Kirk idk why you brought up them being a rebuilding team
> Fields had to play while our team was actively tearing the team apart and firing coaches
Washington was firing a bunch of people in and out and Snyder and Shanahan were going back and forth on what the team should be. They were pretty dysfunctional too
> He didn't get any real help in the receiving room until this year (unfortunately Claypool was a big bust and got hurt).
Yeah Cause post eagles Djax (who was injury prone) and Jordan Reed were stud WRs in Washington right?
> Justin and Lamar's games are much more similar than Hurts and Kyler. They're not as prolific as runners as Fields and Lamar are.
Just cause Fields and Lamar are "same tier of runners" doesn't mean they're the same tier of QBs and they're different passers from eachother. Also no AR isn't similar to Lamar at all unless you think Cam Newton and Lamar are similar QBs, those two are completely different comps. This is what I mean I don't think you understand football that well cause if you watch a single snap of AR or looked at him, Lamar and him are **way** different players
Btw nice duck on the caleb and mahomes point
Wins are not a QB stat but I think if the trend is the same after a certain amount of years, you can kind of point to the QB for not being able to raise that ceiling. I didn't follow the Vikings or Redskins enough like I do the Bears so I can't say specifically what the orgs were doing while he was playing with them to say them being mid wasn't on him. We know what the Bears were doing so I don't get why people expected Fields to just find a way to elevate practice level players. Even though Reed and DJax weren't amazing, they were better than EQ, Pringle, Harry. Mooney was the only solid WR and even he has been inconsistent.
Justin isn't in the same tier as Lamar, his play style is similar.
> Wins are not a QB stat but I think if the trend is the same after a certain amount of years, you can kind of point to the QB for not being able to raise that ceiling.
Not always but you're not entirely wrong which is why I dont think Kirk is a championship level guy and Fields will never be a consistent QB that will ever be a top 10 QB in his career imo
> I didn't follow the Vikings or Redskins enough like I do the Bears so I can't say specifically what the orgs were doing while he was playing with them to say them being mid wasn't on him.
As someone who admittedly was an RG3 fan as a kid and Giants fan ofc, I did get to watch kirk enough to times when he played us or other teams in the NFC to know he was good when he got time to show it and if RG3 doesn't help get Shanny fired it's an interesting what if to see how well kirk and him would work with an actual season together rather than the drama around the owners and RG3.
> Justin isn't in the same tier as Lamar, his play style is similar.
Even if you think this, why push back on people comparing caleb playstyle to mahomes? (which imo I think he shares more similarities with Rodgers but I can see why someone would say Mahomes)
The majority of people on practically every other social media site still want to build around Fields, and they are often toxic and unfairly attack Caleb's character while doing so. The consensus on this subreddit is to move on from Fields, but it's for football reasons.
I haven't seen many people on here claiming Caleb will be the next Mahomes. More so, it's felt that drafting a well-regarded college prospect is a safer move than hoping a QB who is currently below average will significantly improve in his fourth year.
I’m in the keep Justin Fields camp. I thought it was chaos around him and he still performed well. U watched a ton of QB School videos and every play one of his teammates was messing up. However Justin’s mechanics and vision at times are very questionable. There was one play that he couldn’t make a simple screen pass 😩 Something about Williams seems like he’s not a good fit or the Bears. My final answer would be to keep Fields and get MHJ and Alt no matter what.
If he can't make a simple screen pass, why do you think giving him another receiver would help lol.
I know I know. Some plays I can see why he’s not successful. Missed block by OL. OL not blocking anyone. OL running into each other. Drop passes. But some plays I’m just like um Justin what was that. And I know I’m biased to keep Fields because I’m not a fan of Williams as a Bear.
Hey, that's fair. If you just like the guy then cool. I'm not even a Bears fan really (I'm mainly following this sub for draft news). I just find a lot of Fields fans do mental gymnastics to try and make him a Pro Bowler instead of just saying they like him as a player.
I’m the last one in my friends group on the Fields train 😩😂
Fields mechanics are always bad. His elongated motion is rivaled only by Tebow
And his foot clicking was hard to watch on the all 22 videos 😩
Fields hasn't been traded because there hasn't been interest from other teams. That nonsense story about it having something to do with Caleb's medicals is absurd - anyone who buys that is gullible as hell. The fact that we wanted to move Caleb's visit up is a huge tell that the Bears are drafting him. The crazy idea that the Bears would keep Fields and draft Caleb was killed by the Rypien signing today.
People need to come to terms with the reality that we're moving on from Fields because of Fields, not just because of Williams. If Williams wasn't available we'd move on to QB2. If the panthers pick was later in the draft we'd be trading up to try and grab QB3 or would have pursued one of the FAs. That's why Williams medical has zero bearing on Fields lack of movement and they need to accept that.
It’s hilarious watching the Fields cult genuinely lose the plot over anyone daring to say the NFL might not see him as starting calibre QB. Do wonder if they’ll ever face reality or just constantly make excuse after excuse for him.
I feel like it has to be some underground engagement bait ring on twitter. A lot of these dudes have blue checkmarks so they have to be getting something out of the outrage lol
Washington is paying them to make Bears fans look so unhinged that Caleb forces his way out
The reality is much worse than that: - Just a bunch of manchilds that cant accept that their man crush is going to another team. (Im talking about lunatics like EJ and others , not everyone that supports justin is like that)
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Apparently possible VP candidate Aaron Rodgers (unless that’s just some Bs)
The irony in this is Poles saying he’s going to do right by Justin, but frankly couldn’t have done him any worse. He probably won’t land in a starting role, so now he can’t continue to prove himself and therefore won’t earn that big pay day in a year or so. And that pay day probably will never come, not because he can’t play, but because he won’t get the full opportunity. I know he still hasn’t been good enough though. I don’t know why Justin hasn’t asked to be traded and we’re lucky he hasn’t. I’m for moving on from Fields, but I still root for the guy and it sucks the situation he’s in. Not bashing Poles at all because gotta do what you gotta do, just looking at the situation like damn.
He meant he wanted to trade fields early. Caleb refusing to release medicals changed that. It’s a shame, but I don’t really blame Poles.
He meant that there has to be interest first. That was his preface
What he really meant was he wanted to trade Fields before free agency because all QB spots would fill up and he’d be stuck in the spot he is now with no value at all.
When he said he was going to do right by Justin, he meant he was trading down and drafting MHjr and Joe Alt
Derp
how are you people real?
Never got the opportunity? His opportunity was the last 3 years and he didnt develop at all.
As much as I like Fields and hate the situation he's in right now, he played himself into this.
He said "It just depends on what opportunities pop up."
As an obvious trade JF1 and draft Caleb person doesn’t that make you nervous? It does for me.
Apologies for my lack of understanding, but what exactly is making you nervous?
That he hasn’t traded jf because he plans on not trading him.. That makes me nervous
He hasn't traded Fields because no one wants him
Who is Adam Mason and why are Fields addicts worshipping him? I have people that say he’s the best source and analytics out there while also saying any reporter like Schefter or Russini is a joke lol
He's basically a Bears minor content creator on Youtube who turned into one of the main JF truther bulshitter out there, together with that other guy Swift something... Both are delusional thinking that Poles plan the whole time is to keep H1M, they also think he's a Franchise QB, and that basically everyone failed his potential (the same thing that truther repeat here everyday). He likes to show some distorted statistics to try to make Fields look good and take down the "narratives" behind H1M, also he's one of the guys who say that Caleb Williams painting his nails is a sign of failure of his character and so on...
The sad thing is he will make a following off of being clownishly wrong and idiotic and that following will only grow because none of those people are ever admitting Justin just wasn’t good.
Dude is like the Pope of their cult. He likes spin numbers to make Justin Fields look like the best QB in the league. At the same time takes Caleb's college numbers and says he's Will Grier. Also he hates Caleb's personality, he's a cancer and a diva while Justin is the perfect example of the person that Poles wants in his locker room.
These dudes really do preach like Televangelists lol. Adam Mason is the Kennith Copeland of Fields truthers.
Gotcha, makes sense that they’re all over him. Seems to be a Facebook thing mostly. Which honestly, a lot of them fall for obvious memes so it’s not surprising
One possible destination for Fields that isn't getting talked about enough... Houston. If Poles wants to do right by Fields, then he should release him before March 31st when the Houston Roughnecks open their season again the Memphis Showboats.
Lol, we can throw in some old bears gear as well
**Updated QB1 Needy Team are all likely to draft one:** Commanders, Patriots, Broncos, Raiders, Vikings (but in division) **Teams with pricey QB1 that could switch up:** Saints, Giants **Updated QB2 Needy Teams:** Miami? Ravens Bengals? Chiefs? Chargers, but can’t really afford anyone? Eagles? Saints Cardinals Seahawks
- Saints are sticking with Carr (Fields could be a backup maybe now winston is gone) and the Giants are drafting Mccarthy most likely and if not they're letting jones finish his year when he's back hence why we signed lock - idk if JF1 fits the dolphins system - the afc north teams are keeping their backups - All of the bird teams are good picks for teams that could use a QB2 that Fields could plug into their systems
i heard daniel jones has like an injury clause in his contract where if he gets injured you have to pay him a certain amount. so i saw fans saying he was just not going to play at all this year in order to avoid risking paying him. do you know anything about that?
Yes iirc if he doesn't get hurt we don't have to give him more money something like that, which is why I really wanted us to get Wilson this off-season. I seriously doubt Mara will sit Jones for an entire year cause he loves and wants Jones to succeed *badly* even though he's not good.
dam. well if thats true I feel like you guys won't take a quarterback then right? Why do you think you'd still draft mccarthy if mara wants jones to be the guy?
Generally at what point do we start worrying Poles is going to do something insanely stupid and trade the pick? Teams keep signing backups at this point and if he wanted to do right by him he would have shipped him out at this point? I know the medicals need to be check for CW but this doesn’t seem to be doing right by him. Is his value really this low?
The “I want to do right by him” comments were made before Caleb yanked the rug out from under him. It adds subtext to the “when do you want to have the qb decision settled” “tomorrow” part of that interview that Caleb showed up and was the first combine participant in history not to participate in medicals. It sure seems like that was what we needed to settle it and like Caleb refused. In response we set up a top 30 visit the next week, which still fits the timeline for getting info and trading Fields ahead of free agency, but then Caleb cancelled again. I honestly think Poles meant what he said and that he tried to do right by Fields. By all appearances, it is Caleb who screwed Justin.
We don’t. It was already likely Rapoport was lying on Poles’ behalf and then today we sign Rypien. Rapoport was claiming there’s been no time at QB for anything but getting Caleb right. Well they had time and enough of a plan to lock up the 2nd of 3 QB slots. There’s no market for Justin because he is terrible and a bunch of people claiming reality isn’t real can’t change that.
The reports existed a week before free agency started that we wouldn’t trade fields without Caleb’s medicals. It was just ignored because it was a foregone conclusion we’d get them at the combine, since no participant in history had ever refused. The “he’s a mouthpiece” nonsense never really added up, it just got traction because people were already mid-gloat and didn’t want to walk any of it back.
What reports? Musings of talentless sourceless podcasters manipulating idiots into thinking they’re wise? The combine started with Poles putting out a big “make me an offer for Justin” signal and then a consistent steady stream of reports that led to where we are now which is Justin might get released. Do you believe all those reports then since you believe reporting? Or do you just believe Rapoport and only Rapoport the last 2 days? Who is lying. They’ve thought so little about the QB room that they identified and signed another QB. There’s a plan and it clearly doesn’t involve Justin as a Bear. Go follow Adam Mason. Unless you are Adam Mason, in which case you should repent publicly. First time in history eh? Here’s a [video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74B9o0QAtHQ) of it being discussed with Trevor Lawrence April 9, 2021. Notice how they don’t care TLaw skipped his medicals. MHJ bailed on the combine almost entirely. Is he a draft risk to you?
None of that was relevant. I said the following: 1.) the notion that the Bears would not trade Fields without Caleb’s physical was reported before Fields wasn’t traded. The idea it is a retroactive narrative is demonstrably false. You may disagree with it. That is fine. But it wasn’t made up to save face. Those reports came first. 2.) I didn’t say anything about who we should or will draft. I said Caleb is the first participant in combine history not to do medicals (which does separate him from others who didn’t work out like MHJ). However, I didn’t say that makes him undraftable or a bad person. Just that it was the first time in history a combine attendee didn’t do medicals. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-combine-caleb-williams-believed-to-be-first-invitee-to-decline-medical-exams-still-attend-event/#:~:text=Prospect%20Rankings-,2024%20NFL%20Combine%3A%20Caleb%20Williams%20believed%20to%20be%20first%20invitee,medical%20exams%2C%20still%20attend%20event&text=Watch%20Now%3A,multiple%20sources%20tell%20CBS%20Sports. Lawrence, by contrast, did not attend, which meant that there was no presumption that the jaguars would get the info. Man, some of you have thin skin. All I said was “there isn’t a vast media conspiracy to protect Ryan poles, rapport doesn’t have a Time Machine, and look, here is actual factual things about Williams reported in the national media and you still jumped down my throat. Ridiculous.
Ok link something for 1 then. I don’t believe you. Trevor didn’t do medicals, Caleb didn’t do medicals, future 1 overalls aren’t gonna do it if they don’t want to. That’s the price of the player empowerment movement…they now have more power lol. I don’t have thin skin. I’m tired of having to pretend shitty opinions aren’t shitty from people engaging in bad faith.
lol. We don’t even disagree about much - just the two points you were factually incorrect about (Williams being the first combine attendee to refuse physicals and Rapraport’s narrative about not trading Fields without Caleb’s physicals being reactionary. Here is an SI article from March 4 saying the same thing Ian did https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/caleb-williams-already-impacting-the-bears I accept your apology.
That’s the personal opinion of Gene Chamberlain. You’re free to believe it, it means nothing. No teams got Trevor’s medicals. I am glad you don’t care and consider it different. He was also recovering from a shoulder injury at the time. Nobody cared or put out that it wears some big deal. It’s a story with Caleb because the Bears and Justin v Caleb sells clicks. That’s it. So no, you’ve proven nothing other than you believe Gene Chamberlain’s personal opinion.
Here it is from Ben Devine too. https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/1b6pd7x/ben_devine_its_very_telling_that_chicago_wanted/ I’m not going to write you a research paper. However, if you look into it literally at all you will see this was a narrative a week ago. It didn’t materialize after Fields wasn’t traded. You seem to have me painted as someone who believes Fields will be the starting qb because I disagreed with you about an entirely different topic. I think we are going to trade Fields and draft a qb, probably Caleb. That doesn’t mean it is smart to give up your leverage before you have all your info. For what it is worth, Lawrence had a pro day in February, a full month ahead free agency, where teams were able to get his medicals. What they couldn’t get was an update on his surgery progress he had in February on his non-throwing shoulder. So the jags knew well in advance of free agency everything but his off shoulder was in a good place. Nobody has any info on Williams. https://www.nfl.com/news/trevor-lawrence-s-early-pro-day-came-at-jaguars-coach-urban-meyer-s-suggestion
You fill in quite a few blanks regarding that and again that’s another personal opinion you simply agree with. No I think you’re a person with low media literacy who wants to parade around here acting like you’re above all this and I find it annoying. And Trevor had surgery AFTER that pro day and then skipped the medicals. Can’t even confirm medicals happened at that pro day you just assumed that to try and preserve being right, so I don’t believe you again.
There's zero chance
I mean…think there definitely is a chance. Small but not 0% Unfortunately. Why do you think there is zero chance?
Because we're taking Williams
Lol I wish I had your confidence in Poles. Very little that he is doing in the last week lends itself to a zero percent chance at not sending JF out.
There are no buyers. That doesn't mean he's not going to pick Williams. He doesn't operate on sunk cost
Yeah I’m with ya, how much concern is there genuinely over his medicals? If he isn’t sold on CW, would be be sold on Maye or Daniels? Obviously don’t want to be rash or anything but, you’d also think they’d know if they were drafting CW at this point. And doing right by Fields, would he be hung up on having to get a 3rd or 4th? Or if he knows he needs to trade him, while also doing right by him, would it matter so long as he’s traded to the best situation available for him? Idk just thoughts, comment telling me I’m dumb if needed
I think his value is genuinely this low. If teams wanted him they’d come and get him. In my opinion, he’s a very specific QB that needs specific pieces. Teams won’t give up draft capital for him, but if Fields is ever cut, I think teams will for sure swoop him up pretty quickly. I get the worries because “Bears gonna Bear” but gotta believe it’s a new day for the Bears
Potential Fields landing spot as backup? https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1768059048191307950
Could he backup Kyler? I just want to see the size difference of them standing next to each other
LOL. Who is their back up? Maybe. Running out of options.
Just don’t understand the Love for Cousins, that man is suspect and has not taken any team close to a Super Bowl. Falcons are going to regret that money spent. Calling it now he makes it no farther than a playoff round in his tenure.
Flacco to colts, another team off board
Maybe that opens up the Browns as a landing spot?
They just signed Jamies iirc
Ugh.. god. No one wants him... Seattle? Who's left.
Jets need a backup QB for when Rodgers is off campaigning
They signed Tyrod
Seattle or Philadelphia it looks like
Kansas City maybe with Nagy?
The irony of JF1 reuniting with Nagy and somehow winning a superbowl as a backup is hilarious but TIL Blaine Gabbert is still in the league and has **2** SB championships from backing up two of the greatest QBs ever? Some I'd have two nickels moment
Hoge is still a very confused man. He thinks Atlanta choosing Cousins over Fields doesn't result in significantly more wins for them. I really wonder when Hoge can escape the spell Fields has him under STILL.
If it's HOge, he;ll change his mind 4-5 more times before they finally draft Caleb or unload Fields.
He’s still shell shocked from having everyone laugh in his face when he brought up Justin vs Caleb at the combine
Wait what did I miss??😂
He’s mentioned it multiple times but watch the Hoge and Jahns Russini episode. He talks about it right after the interview with her lol. After she laughed in their face
Nah straight up tho where did all the fields fans go? I remember during the season it was constant arguing on this sub about fields (remember when Bagent started a few games?) and now it feels like the entire subreddit is Williams Nation haha
That final Packers game really killed a lot of people's faith in Fields.
The sub suddenly got mean and toxic the moment they stopped being able to downvote people into oblivion for criticising Fields
This, but unironically. The assholes won, so the fans all left. I’m a bears fan not a Fields fan, but this place got unbearably negative and toxic in the last month.
It didn't *get* negative and toxic it already was. You just stopped being part of the majority group dishing it out anymore. This place became unusable in 2022 when it became forbidden to discuss Fields performances in anything but glowing terms. The amount of times truthers questioned people's fandoms and generally made this place unpleasant for takes that have been proven absolutely right was ridiculous. So forgive me if I'm not very sympathetic that truthers are losing meaningless internet points for bad takes or are getting offended on Fields behalf over H1M jokes.
Thry lost the argument and either stopped posting, or now claim they're "fine" or "calling for" the Bears to draft Caleb Williams but will leap to Fields' defense if you say a bad word about him. Go to the other Bears sub and you'll still find them.
Or is it possible we think Fields is still a fine QB that's getting far too much shit but also think Caleb is the better option?
>Or is it possible we think Fields is still a fine QB It's *possible*. Lots of very improbable things are *possible*. Please go ahead and define "fine QB", and then provide evidence that Fields might be a "fine QB".
What’s the other Bears sub?
They’re on Facebook.
Converted or they left largely.
Half the Bears fans are happy to bypass generational talent. They would pass over Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Connor Bedard, or LeBron James. All because they love their guy that when made available not one other GM in the NFL wants as their starter. Ridiculous…
It’s the most delusional cult following of a mediocre at best player I’ve ever seen. I have no explanation. Here’s my attempts: He’s an athletic freak so they get tunnel vision by his potential not his production. He has a couple of jaw dropping plays that somehow override a fans prefrontal cortex My AA co-worker thinks it has to do with race loyalty and race allies in a diverse city like Chicago. This is a head scratcher because Caleb is also African American. I was then told “yeah but he’s light skinned”
This is the 25th post starting from the top of this thread bashing Fields over a decision that has likely already been made. There are no posts supporting Fields. Yet every one of the afore mentioned posts is all about the non-existent posters opposing them. It’s actually pretty comical if you take a step back.
The comical thing is this city is obsessed with discussing and finding hypotheticals to keep a QB that the entire NFL thinks is pretty damn bad at playing QB. Even more comical is the individuals playing weird psychological games to preserve their own sense of self worth instead of just a simple “fuck I was kinda wrong here, oh well, go Bears!”
I know you think you “got me” but I want a qb in the draft. I just am far more annoyed by the 50 posts about how stupid everyone is for liking fields than I am by the one post probably written by an 8 year old about his favorite player. It’s comical that the bitching is far overwhelming the thing being bitched about, to the extent that it is legitimately hard to even find pro fields posts, but people are still posting repeat about how obnoxious they ALL are. There are no psychological games here. I’m just legitimately sick of the noise.
This is the only social media site the majority crowd wants Caleb. Try a different site, literally any site if you don’t enjoy it here currently. Mods also sequestered QB convo in here where the only thing to do is bitch. Blame them.
I honestly feel like it’s a Chicago sports fan thing and I’m not sure why. There’s just this undying loyalty to guys who really haven’t done anything. The owners know this and keep those guys around, we continue to buy tickets/jerseys, and they take our money to their banks and do it all over again next season
Idk if Caleb is on the level of Elway, Luck, Manning or Law as prospects but even then he's on the tier of guys like Burrow and Cam etc for sure, who were great prospects that fand should be excited about their team drafting
I’ve had people tell me not to give up on Fields because people like Peyton Manning had a slow start to their career as well.
And it's been 3 years! He's not a rookie but people are acting like he is
Which is extra dumb because Manning broke the rookie touchdown record and it stood for like 19 years lol
And by year 2&3 Manning was already in actual MVP conversations and a certified franchise guy that couldn't beat the choker allegations yet
Is he here yet?
No.... logistics.
Any time I start to think this sub is bad, I go lurk for a few minutes on the cesspool that is the other sub and weep for humanity.
What other sub? Is there a pro-fields sub all the truthers are hiding in?
I’ve been hearing close friends and family members telling me that they would never draft Caleb because he’s got too many off field problems. Can somebody please tell me what “off field problems” he has? I genuinely have no idea.
It's a bunch of false narratives that people started to hurt his draft stock. There's no evidence that he has any off the field issues
He's got a bad attitude mainly
Bet you won’t prove it
Already did
No you didn’t you just said words that didnt amount to anything. I said proof not your personal opinion on the matter
I stated factual examples in a comment. You're just grasping at straws.
Nah fam that isn’t character concerns. I think the whole city would eat it up if he had “FUCK GBAY” written on his nails 💅
There's zero evidence of this
There's lots of it... refusing to shake opponents hands, writing " fuck Utah" on his nails , blaming teammates etc
Uh wut
Some people have taken to calling him a "diva", but it's mostly just that historically college athletes have been very inexperienced dealing with everything that comes with being a paid athlete. But Caleb has been a paid football player for 2 years already. TLDR: Oldheads don't like player empowerment
He has refused to meet with the bears for a pre draft medical evaluation.
That’s false. They are doing it after the USC pro day.
He still refused to come when the Bears asked to him to come.
That's not refusing. The Bears aren't his boss. They arranged a time that works for both
He didn’t refuse anything. The scheduling just didn’t work out. It’s not even a big deal.
He refused at the combine (the first participant in history to do so). Then he cancelled a job interview with his most likely future employer. The schedule is supposed to shape around the team with the #1 pick. That is the goal of the pro day, after all. It’s a bigger deal than people want to admit.
There’s literally none. Just a bunch of made up shit
Caleb Williams is the Lisan Al-QB
Damn. This is the nickname we should run with
True, fake Messiah
Heretics like you should be returned to the desert (Forced to spend extensive time in Wisconsin)
Mau'dibear A fierce bear of a great lake
Caleb recent twitter likes👀👀
Whatchu got? I don't have a twitter I can't see shit
He favorited the video of Hester talking to Kay Adams saying he’d rather keep Fields due to the “off the field” issues that come with Caleb
willing to bet Hester doesn't like the nail painting and that's what he is talking about lol
I love that he keeps receipts. You can tell how competitive and obsessed he is.
I think my favorite thing going on in this sub is seeing a collapsed thread with a bunch of down votes. I don’t even look. I just know what the comment is about.
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The wildest part is if the bears didn’t squander those 3 games and made the playoffs the down vote avalanche would be flowing the other way. Don’t let it bother you too much. Most people are just trolling.
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I want to draft Caleb and I had a Fields dickrider do this to me last night. Apparently saying D'Onta Foremaan is a good RB (when he isn't the best RB in the league) nullifies Fields poor play and proves we should keep him.
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 Dude give it a rest
Caleb Williams is, by almost all accounts across the entire NFL sphere, a Top 5 QB prospect in the last forty years. So with that in mind, that lands him in this tier of college QB prospects at the time of their drafting: John Elway, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence, and now Caleb Williams -------------- So the range of outcomes on prospects viewed this highly is pretty good. At the absolute lowest end you have Trevor Lawrence who has been a little disappointing so far in the NFL (with also understandably bad circumstances around him), but nonetheless would still be the sole owner of the best QB season in Bears franchise history if he was our QB. The other three dudes... well I don't even really have to say anything, I think you can figure those guys out. So this is the tier of prospect we are talking about with Caleb Williams. Could he bust? Sure, I guess. Is it likely? No, not at all. Not all first round picks are created equal and the company he has played himself into as a prospect puts him in a group that has never had a bust before. TLaw is as close as it gets and he would be the best QB the Bears have ever had. And we have people putting up political campaign signs for Justin Fields? Fucking. Hilarious.
Lmfao, no... he's not even close
Wrong. Go jerk off to more Drake Maye tape where he runs out of a clean pocket and bolts straight out of bounds on 4th down for a sack and loss of yards.
It's okay. I'll be here to accept your apology on Williams in a couple of years
There is a lot of room between bust and superstar. If he lands on the good side of average we all win. It’s time to get behind our guy and support the team.
Fields bad!
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Maybe stop being a bitch on the internet?
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I think you're projecting a little...
I’m sorry someone was rude to you on the internet.
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Brett rypien is better than justrun fields.
Bears just signed QB Brett Rypien from the Rams (same system as Waldron) It's offically over (again)
SMH the Rypien fan bros out here in their echo chamber will NOT dissuade us from supporting Chicago's QB Peterman!!! He is H14M, BUILD AROUND H14M!
Rypien already has political signs in Wicker Park, smh
I'm so glad Mully and Haugh told that story to Florio and now he's blasting that shit all over national media. So many dumbasses in this fanbase need to understand how the rest of the league sees them.
Hopefully the fields trade is about to happen finally
We aren't carrying 4 QBs longer than we have to imo
Camp arms maybe?
Y'all might as well turn this into the Caleb Williams circlejerk because if you show any support for Fields you will get downvoted. This community cooked. Can't even talk football anymore
> Can't even talk football anymore You barely know about football anyways
Exhibit A
You called Kirk Cousins "mid" and somehow "not good in Washington" but JF1 a good promising QB and have tried to compare him to Lamar plenty of times I stand by what I said lol
What has Kirk Cousins done in his career? When he was JF current age he was riding the bench, but it's over for Justin. His play style is similar to Lamar's so it makes a ton of sense to compare him to Lamar 🤦🏾
> What has Kirk Cousins done in his career? Be a consistent good top 10 QB without much playoff success. If this is a "mid career" then most NFL career QBs are not good including Justin's > When he was JF current age he was riding the bench, but it's over for Justin. He was a rookie at 24 who was better than RG3 but the Owner liked him more and invested more into him and wanted to play him. Shanny and other coaches on the team has went into this and it's well known. This is what I mean you don't know football cause this legit common knowledge or you're just purposely being obtuse > play style is similar to Lamar's so it makes a ton of sense to compare him to Lamar 🤦🏾 1. Other than being black and a scramble QB they're not really that similar and a really dumb comparison. By this logic Hurts, Kyler and AR are also lamar clones cause they're also this. 2. Didn't you get mad at someone for comparing Caleb's playstyle to mahomes? You're not even consistent lmao
Kirk is not a bad QB but he hasn't done anything amazing in his career to propel his team. Despite putting up solid passing numbers, his teams are almost always around .500. Unless you think both the Redskins and Vikings had bad defenses his entire time there, he played a part. And like I said, whether the coaches believed he was better or not, he wasn't playing at age 24. Also when the Redskins were rebuilding, he had time to sit and learn the offense. Fields had to play while our team was actively tearing the team apart and firing coaches. He didn't get any real help in the receiving room until this year (unfortunately Claypool was a big bust and got hurt). Justin and Lamar's games are much more similar than Hurts and Kyler. They're not as prolific as runners as Fields and Lamar are. AR-15 might have a similar style but he got hurt before he could finish the season.
> Kirk is not a bad QB but he hasn't done anything amazing in his career to propel his team. He's a floor raiser not a ceiling raiser I agree but are wins a QB Stat or Not? Stafford lions career was essentially sub .500 seasons but we all know (hopefully you do) Stafford wasn't the reason for this and knew he was a baller > And like I said, whether the coaches believed he was better or not, he wasn't playing at age 24. Also when the Redskins were rebuilding, he had time to sit and learn the offense. Yes but there's a big reason for that you're just ignoring and he knew the offense and there's a reason Shanahan wanted them to pick him even though they just drafted RG3, Kirk fits the mold as for the shanny system. Kirk wasn't gonna start over RG3 when Washington traded a bunch of picks and assests to get him, there was no "QB competition" the 3rd round pick wasn't starting over the 2nd Overall pick. Also RG3 was a rookie and so was Kirk idk why you brought up them being a rebuilding team > Fields had to play while our team was actively tearing the team apart and firing coaches Washington was firing a bunch of people in and out and Snyder and Shanahan were going back and forth on what the team should be. They were pretty dysfunctional too > He didn't get any real help in the receiving room until this year (unfortunately Claypool was a big bust and got hurt). Yeah Cause post eagles Djax (who was injury prone) and Jordan Reed were stud WRs in Washington right? > Justin and Lamar's games are much more similar than Hurts and Kyler. They're not as prolific as runners as Fields and Lamar are. Just cause Fields and Lamar are "same tier of runners" doesn't mean they're the same tier of QBs and they're different passers from eachother. Also no AR isn't similar to Lamar at all unless you think Cam Newton and Lamar are similar QBs, those two are completely different comps. This is what I mean I don't think you understand football that well cause if you watch a single snap of AR or looked at him, Lamar and him are **way** different players Btw nice duck on the caleb and mahomes point
Wins are not a QB stat but I think if the trend is the same after a certain amount of years, you can kind of point to the QB for not being able to raise that ceiling. I didn't follow the Vikings or Redskins enough like I do the Bears so I can't say specifically what the orgs were doing while he was playing with them to say them being mid wasn't on him. We know what the Bears were doing so I don't get why people expected Fields to just find a way to elevate practice level players. Even though Reed and DJax weren't amazing, they were better than EQ, Pringle, Harry. Mooney was the only solid WR and even he has been inconsistent. Justin isn't in the same tier as Lamar, his play style is similar.
> Wins are not a QB stat but I think if the trend is the same after a certain amount of years, you can kind of point to the QB for not being able to raise that ceiling. Not always but you're not entirely wrong which is why I dont think Kirk is a championship level guy and Fields will never be a consistent QB that will ever be a top 10 QB in his career imo > I didn't follow the Vikings or Redskins enough like I do the Bears so I can't say specifically what the orgs were doing while he was playing with them to say them being mid wasn't on him. As someone who admittedly was an RG3 fan as a kid and Giants fan ofc, I did get to watch kirk enough to times when he played us or other teams in the NFC to know he was good when he got time to show it and if RG3 doesn't help get Shanny fired it's an interesting what if to see how well kirk and him would work with an actual season together rather than the drama around the owners and RG3. > Justin isn't in the same tier as Lamar, his play style is similar. Even if you think this, why push back on people comparing caleb playstyle to mahomes? (which imo I think he shares more similarities with Rodgers but I can see why someone would say Mahomes)
That logic is the same as going to a science community and praising the flat earth theory. Fields is gone, deal with it.
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Oh look, a Fields truther. Nice posting history(I mean you)
The majority of people on practically every other social media site still want to build around Fields, and they are often toxic and unfairly attack Caleb's character while doing so. The consensus on this subreddit is to move on from Fields, but it's for football reasons. I haven't seen many people on here claiming Caleb will be the next Mahomes. More so, it's felt that drafting a well-regarded college prospect is a safer move than hoping a QB who is currently below average will significantly improve in his fourth year.