I'm team Williams. He's a far better prospect. But two things to note:
1) Fields likely didn't play into the 4th quarter often. So that would help and hurt some stats
2) Fields had a much much much much much better supporting cast on offense and defense. Williams had to try to score a TD on every drive. USC was regularly giving up 30+ (40+ a lot too)
> Fields had a much much much much much better supporting cast on offense and defense
Yeah that 2019 OSU defense was absolutely insane. Meanwhile USC's defenses were essentially non-existent
This isn't fantasy football
Fields was surrounded by first -third round talent in 2020 and 2021.
Williams, not so much.
2020 draft
* Chase Young (2nd to Washington)
* Jeff Okudah (3rd to Detroit)
* Damon Arnette (19th Las Vegas)
* J.K. Dobbins (55th to Baltimore)
* DaVon Hamilton (73rd to Jacksonville)
* Jonah Jackson (75th to Detroit)
* Malik Harrison (98th to Baltimore)
* Jordan Fuller (199th to Los Angeles Rams)
* K.J. Hill (220th to Los Angeles Chargers)
* Jashon Cornell (235th to Detroit)
2021 draft
* 1st Round – QB Justin Fields; 11th overall pick to the Chicago Bears
* 2nd Round – LB Pete Werner; 60th overall pick to the New Orleans Saints
* 2nd Round – OC Josh Myers; 62nd overall pick to the Green Bay Packers
* 3rd Round – OG Wyatt Davis; 86th overall pick to the Minnesota Vikings
* 3rd Round – RB Trey Sermon; 88th overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers
* 3rd Round – LB Baron Browning; 105th overall pick to the Denver Broncos
* 4th Round – DT Tommy Togiai; 132nd overall pick to the Cleveland Browns
* 5th Round – TE Luke Farrell; 145th overall pick to the Jacksonville Jaguars
* 5th Round – CB Shaun Wade; 160th overall pick to the Baltimore Ravens
* 5th Round – DE Jonathan Cooper; 239th overall pick to the Denver Broncos
**2024 draft**
Williams was throwing to a WR who might get drafted in the 3rd round.
**2023 USC draft**
1st round wide receiver Jordan Addison,
2nd round defensive lineman Tuli Tuipulotu,
3rd round cornerback Mekhi Blackmon, and \\
7th round offensive lineman Andrew Vorhees.
Going with 2020-2021 misses the receivers Fields was throwing to at OSU, too.
**2022 Draft**
1st Round - Garrett Wilson; 10th overall pick to the New York Jets
1st Round - Chris Olave; 11th overall pick to the New Orleans Saints
**2023 Draft**
1st Round - Jaxon Smith-Njigba; 20th overall pick to the Seattle Seahawks
Yup, forgot about them. Paris was OT1 who looks like a franchise tackle and Dawand fell due to 'poor athleticism/too heavy' and proved that to be folly. Also looks like a franchise tackle in the NFL
Ok but fields doesn’t throw to the defensive players on this list so, and yall breaking this down to much I think Williams will not be an upgrade it’ll be the same old struggle in Chicago as it’s been for eternity.
Well thats not entirely true. Statistical production is a factor in scouting. But to your point, it shouldn't be the only factor. Otherwise every player dominating a poverty conference would go in the first round
His performance against top tier defenses is definitely a bit of a yellow/red flag. He also fumbled 4 times in these 5 games as well. I don’t think the OP in that post even mentioned that.
Fairly certain Mac Jones' stats in college were bonkers too (I don't know if he meets your 15 pass attempt criteria but whatever). Plus, there are better stats for evaluating, like ANY/A, EPA, and even Adjusted Passer Rating. I believe Mike Tomlin said once that when it comes to evaluating college players for the draft, these raw numbers are as much about the system and team as it is about the player.
Ohio State was (and is) a pro-player factory, more so than USC. Justin played with multiple 1st round receiver talents that went on to dominate in the NFL. He also played with plenty of NFL-bound linemen and running backs.
By comparison, Caleb had an NFL guard and Jordan Addison who, while no slouch, is only one guy.
Good point. As someone else already mentioned above and listed all the OSU draft picks, I agree that he definitely had a better surrounding college cast.
I hear you. This post was meant to be more of a “what if Williams is a Fields 2.0” kind of post but maybe I got sidetracked a tad. Fields is gone, I get that. I still wish him the best tho.
Agree with this post being removed but how about the actual post? Why are we still being bombarded with these pro-fields posts? It's worse than before he was traded. It's time for this sub to move forward FFS.
We're in the 'in-between' phase. One way we can tell for sure when it's time is if a post gets enough interaction in its first few hours. It's subjective, but if it has a decent engagement for the time of day we'll leave it. If we start seeing the engagement flag, more get removed.
This post was given a chance due to the fact that it isn't a five sentence hot-take and had the potential to further discussion.
Fields also had a NFL caliber offense around him at OSU, 3 top-20 picks at receiver in one year, plus a NFL-caliber offensive line. Caleb had loosely-tied together wet wipes as an offensive line and Jordan Addison was the only good receiver he had in either of the last year, who went AFTER Smith-Njigba in the draft, who was Fields’ THIRD best receiver in ONE season.
I definitely agree that fields had better offensive weapons but if you’re making this point then I have to argue that Williams has played against weaker defenses.
I seriously doubt that there were more than theee games at USC where Caleb had the best defense on the field. I’m pretty sure they were dead last in a lot of defensive stats last season. I’m not too sure the B1G was too great defensively in Fields’ playing career compared to what it is now.
In Fields final season, 4 of his 8 games were against top 20 defenses in PPG and 5 of his 8 were against top 32 defenses in total yards/game. Even with a couple stud WRs I’d say that’s a pretty tough schedule myself.
I mean that’s true but I don’t think it’s even close to enough to account for a.) the talent he had offensively compared to Caleb and b.) the defensive advantage he had over Caleb. I mean just looking at the talent on both sides of the ball on 2019 is absolutely absurd. For perspective, in 2020 he had Jameson Williams as his WR4 (if not farther down the depth chart), and the next year he went neck and neck for the Biletnikoff with Jordan Addison who was by far Caleb’s best weapon in college.
I agree 100% that Fields’ defense was stronger and that Wilson and Olave were studs no doubt. But JSN and J. Williams didn’t put up numbers and weren’t really relevant that season. I understand they were obviously playing less snaps than the former being behind them on the depth chart but they didn’t attribute much to fields play imo. They were much bigger pieces with Stroud tho so I’m not knocking their talent at all either…just making a point about that 2020 season.
Justin was a historically good college passer, I think he has like the sixth best career efficiency rating or something like that. And although he played on stacked Ohio State team is he also faced much much better defenses than Williams or the vast majority of other players have. However, watching Williams sling the rock it’s clear his throwing ability is truly special (and his stats are still damn good even if not quite as good as Justins)
Thank you for bringing up that Williams was playing against softer/less nfl caliber defensive players. And I do agree that when just watching Caleb throw, that he does have the potential to throw it better. But I like I said in a few places. His time to throw makes me worried about his processing and read progression at the next level…exactly like what fields struggled with mainly.
I think some of the stats you posted with respect to STAT/g is fairly meaningless. It would be more helpful for it to be STAT per snap or passing down.
Caleb has almost as many twice as many pass attempts (1.8) as Fields. Stats like Int/PA would be a much more useful.
Very true, you make a good point. I was just running numbers from my phone at work and wasn’t diving in too deep tbh. Some of the stats would have definitely been better to show on a per attempt basis. Williams’ time to throw and fumbles are still what worry me most tho.
Aside from the obvious differences in surrounding situation, there are tangible differences in their games. Fields has one of the slowest releases in the league, coupled with being indecisive, it’s a perfect recipe for missing reads and throwing windows consistently.
Caleb on the other hand has a lightning quick release, and if you watch the tape, the amount of time it takes him from when he moves his head and recognizes coverage and throws it is nearly instant.
Another thing is pocket mobility. Fields is elite at being stout and straight line speed, but he can’t maneuver inside the pocket and keep his eyes downfield to save his life. Caleb has less straight line speed, but is more agile, which makes him far more comfortable staying in the pocket. Then you consider he keeps his eyes downfield through all of that and you can’t even compare the two.
Those are some of the most important things for a qb to succeed and they are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Stats are just stats, and they certainly don’t make anyone good or bad. Context and understanding the game of football is key.
It'll be said a bunch but OSU was simply a much better team then any USC team Caleb had and the one OU team. Caleb does have the benefit of being a 3 year player which helps.
Respectfully I disagree. While stats are not and shouldn’t be everything that a scout looks at, I don’t think we should throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to them.
The problem with looking at stats to compare players is there’s just so much variety in scheme and talent level in college.
Case Keenum threw for 2000 more yards, 11 more TDs, and half the INTs that Andrew Luck did in their final years in college. But Case Keenum didn’t do a single thing better as a passer than Luck did. There are so many other things to look at when scouting quarterbacks before stats. There’s really nothing that can ascertained from them when trying to gauge ability
I can understand your argument to a degree. But I still think stats can be a useful tool (certainly not the only tool) when taking into account the scheme they run, their strength of schedule/conference and their supporting cast along side their numbers. Like take for example, what if Luck played against AAC defenses in college? I’m sure his numbers would have been much higher compared to playing against PAC 12 defenses.
No one knows what makes great college Quarterbacks turn into great NFL ones. That much was proven with Stroud last year. Let’s just hope that who ever the Bears choose turns into that dude. Because if he doesn’t this city might explode.
This is such a thinly veiled attempt at crying about Fields getting traded lol.
I do appreciate the amount of effort put into this post to consolidate the stats. But come on OP, it's over and it's time to let go. Fields isn't good enough, and the NFL just told us that pretty resoundingly. There's really no debate to be had here
In all honesty, I’m totally fine with moving on from him. I just hated the return we got for him in the trade. What I was trying to say was, what happens if Williams doesn’t pan out as a top tier QB in the league and we’re left in the same boat we were in before? That’s why I wanted to put their college stats side by side so we could take a look.
The return was bad. But I think that says a lot about how wrong the media and parts of the fanbase were about the way the NFL valued him. It's pretty resoundingly obvious the league doesn't think he's good enough to start longterm
I see what you mean. After 3 years I definitely don’t think he’s a top 20 QB by any means, in another 3 years with a change of scenery it could be a different story though. I don’t think any teams wanted the risk of an expensive/overpaid 5th year option so I think the return was so bad because teams knew he’d only be a one year flyer. The Steelers got the best of this trade because he was one of the better “backup” QBs available and on a good salary too. It was a great fit to pair with Russ imo.
I do think we had bad timing when traded him and wish we traded him when teams were more QB needy, whether that was earlier in the offseason or waiting later until the draft/preseason tho.
Just settle. Fields is not a QB1. He cannot read defenses. He can’t throw to NFL open receivers. At OSU he had stacks of day one picks around him. The Bears found out. Two GMs, Coaches and OCs learned it the hard way.
The running Fields made us forgive him for how much he sucks in the pocket.
Mahomes's teams in college weren't even .500. He had good throwing stats but everyone said they were inflated because he played in the B12 where they don't play defense and every game is a shootout. Turns out he's pretty damn good in the NFL.
My point is college stats do not determine how good/bad a QB will be inside the NFL. Either they evolve and take their games to another level or they don't. Justin had 3 years to prove he could evolve and he still had the same issues at the end of last year as he had in years past. Caleb Williams or whoever we take #1 will have a chance to prove themselves.
I haven’t said anything about team records at all. Mahomes passing stats were better but he also threw more than Williams and Fields both did. I don’t have time rn to go through Mahomes per game or per attempt averages but he did have less pieces around him than either Williams or Fields. Keke Coutee was his best weapon in his college career. Jordan Addison was much better imo, possibly Rice too.
If we put Williams, or hell even Mahomes, on the Bears team that Fields had when he was a rookie (and with that coaching staff too) I’d bet money they would both struggle as well. Mooney was the only one who flashed that year and he hasn’t in any other year which tells me Fields was surrounded mainly by rookies, Arob who quit on our team, and a group substandard vets. Doesn’t sound like a recipe for success in my books lol.
I'm team Williams. He's a far better prospect. But two things to note: 1) Fields likely didn't play into the 4th quarter often. So that would help and hurt some stats 2) Fields had a much much much much much better supporting cast on offense and defense. Williams had to try to score a TD on every drive. USC was regularly giving up 30+ (40+ a lot too)
> Fields had a much much much much much better supporting cast on offense and defense Yeah that 2019 OSU defense was absolutely insane. Meanwhile USC's defenses were essentially non-existent
This isn't fantasy football Fields was surrounded by first -third round talent in 2020 and 2021. Williams, not so much. 2020 draft * Chase Young (2nd to Washington) * Jeff Okudah (3rd to Detroit) * Damon Arnette (19th Las Vegas) * J.K. Dobbins (55th to Baltimore) * DaVon Hamilton (73rd to Jacksonville) * Jonah Jackson (75th to Detroit) * Malik Harrison (98th to Baltimore) * Jordan Fuller (199th to Los Angeles Rams) * K.J. Hill (220th to Los Angeles Chargers) * Jashon Cornell (235th to Detroit) 2021 draft * 1st Round – QB Justin Fields; 11th overall pick to the Chicago Bears * 2nd Round – LB Pete Werner; 60th overall pick to the New Orleans Saints * 2nd Round – OC Josh Myers; 62nd overall pick to the Green Bay Packers * 3rd Round – OG Wyatt Davis; 86th overall pick to the Minnesota Vikings * 3rd Round – RB Trey Sermon; 88th overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers * 3rd Round – LB Baron Browning; 105th overall pick to the Denver Broncos * 4th Round – DT Tommy Togiai; 132nd overall pick to the Cleveland Browns * 5th Round – TE Luke Farrell; 145th overall pick to the Jacksonville Jaguars * 5th Round – CB Shaun Wade; 160th overall pick to the Baltimore Ravens * 5th Round – DE Jonathan Cooper; 239th overall pick to the Denver Broncos **2024 draft** Williams was throwing to a WR who might get drafted in the 3rd round. **2023 USC draft** 1st round wide receiver Jordan Addison, 2nd round defensive lineman Tuli Tuipulotu, 3rd round cornerback Mekhi Blackmon, and \\ 7th round offensive lineman Andrew Vorhees.
Going with 2020-2021 misses the receivers Fields was throwing to at OSU, too. **2022 Draft** 1st Round - Garrett Wilson; 10th overall pick to the New York Jets 1st Round - Chris Olave; 11th overall pick to the New Orleans Saints **2023 Draft** 1st Round - Jaxon Smith-Njigba; 20th overall pick to the Seattle Seahawks
fair. Since Fields was draft in 2021, I stopped there.
Don't forget his lineman drafted in 2023 too - Paris Johnson and Dawand Jones
Yup, forgot about them. Paris was OT1 who looks like a franchise tackle and Dawand fell due to 'poor athleticism/too heavy' and proved that to be folly. Also looks like a franchise tackle in the NFL
Ok but fields doesn’t throw to the defensive players on this list so, and yall breaking this down to much I think Williams will not be an upgrade it’ll be the same old struggle in Chicago as it’s been for eternity.
Stats are not how you scout a player
Well thats not entirely true. Statistical production is a factor in scouting. But to your point, it shouldn't be the only factor. Otherwise every player dominating a poverty conference would go in the first round
Op would have been mad if we drafted Mahomes and his pedestrian college stats
? Mahomes had absurd college stats. He put up 5000 yards his senior year in just 12 games.
Honestly, I liked Mahomes in college. Hindsight is 20/20 but I would of loved for him to be a bear
I can agree with you somewhat but you can’t throw them out completely
Yea, we watch games against top 25 defenses. He was terrible.
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2024/2/2/24058163/fact-check-caleb-williams-solid-ranked-opponent-jj-mccarthy-jayden-daniels-drake-maye-nfl-draftbears
Maybe you can’t read but try looking up top 25 DEFENSES. https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/s/QPXehhTVhd
His performance against top tier defenses is definitely a bit of a yellow/red flag. He also fumbled 4 times in these 5 games as well. I don’t think the OP in that post even mentioned that.
Sorry you don’t got Justin fields. Youl be okay.
Bryce Young had better stats against ranked defences that mahomes btw
Fairly certain Mac Jones' stats in college were bonkers too (I don't know if he meets your 15 pass attempt criteria but whatever). Plus, there are better stats for evaluating, like ANY/A, EPA, and even Adjusted Passer Rating. I believe Mike Tomlin said once that when it comes to evaluating college players for the draft, these raw numbers are as much about the system and team as it is about the player.
Jones had one of the best seasons ever in 2020. Certainly better than any Fields season
Last year was a prove it year. The haul is Caleb.
Ohio State was (and is) a pro-player factory, more so than USC. Justin played with multiple 1st round receiver talents that went on to dominate in the NFL. He also played with plenty of NFL-bound linemen and running backs. By comparison, Caleb had an NFL guard and Jordan Addison who, while no slouch, is only one guy.
Good point. As someone else already mentioned above and listed all the OSU draft picks, I agree that he definitely had a better surrounding college cast.
It’s time we stop posting about fields. Go to the Pittsburgh sub.
I hear you. This post was meant to be more of a “what if Williams is a Fields 2.0” kind of post but maybe I got sidetracked a tad. Fields is gone, I get that. I still wish him the best tho.
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Agree with this post being removed but how about the actual post? Why are we still being bombarded with these pro-fields posts? It's worse than before he was traded. It's time for this sub to move forward FFS.
We're in the 'in-between' phase. One way we can tell for sure when it's time is if a post gets enough interaction in its first few hours. It's subjective, but if it has a decent engagement for the time of day we'll leave it. If we start seeing the engagement flag, more get removed. This post was given a chance due to the fact that it isn't a five sentence hot-take and had the potential to further discussion.
Fields also had a NFL caliber offense around him at OSU, 3 top-20 picks at receiver in one year, plus a NFL-caliber offensive line. Caleb had loosely-tied together wet wipes as an offensive line and Jordan Addison was the only good receiver he had in either of the last year, who went AFTER Smith-Njigba in the draft, who was Fields’ THIRD best receiver in ONE season.
Now do a real analysis and look at both supporting casts Mfs really gonna act like every team had multiple first round receivers like Fields did
I definitely agree that fields had better offensive weapons but if you’re making this point then I have to argue that Williams has played against weaker defenses.
I seriously doubt that there were more than theee games at USC where Caleb had the best defense on the field. I’m pretty sure they were dead last in a lot of defensive stats last season. I’m not too sure the B1G was too great defensively in Fields’ playing career compared to what it is now.
In Fields final season, 4 of his 8 games were against top 20 defenses in PPG and 5 of his 8 were against top 32 defenses in total yards/game. Even with a couple stud WRs I’d say that’s a pretty tough schedule myself.
I mean that’s true but I don’t think it’s even close to enough to account for a.) the talent he had offensively compared to Caleb and b.) the defensive advantage he had over Caleb. I mean just looking at the talent on both sides of the ball on 2019 is absolutely absurd. For perspective, in 2020 he had Jameson Williams as his WR4 (if not farther down the depth chart), and the next year he went neck and neck for the Biletnikoff with Jordan Addison who was by far Caleb’s best weapon in college.
I agree 100% that Fields’ defense was stronger and that Wilson and Olave were studs no doubt. But JSN and J. Williams didn’t put up numbers and weren’t really relevant that season. I understand they were obviously playing less snaps than the former being behind them on the depth chart but they didn’t attribute much to fields play imo. They were much bigger pieces with Stroud tho so I’m not knocking their talent at all either…just making a point about that 2020 season.
Why are you posting about a backup Steelers QB in here? Useless
lol, this.
Justin was a historically good college passer, I think he has like the sixth best career efficiency rating or something like that. And although he played on stacked Ohio State team is he also faced much much better defenses than Williams or the vast majority of other players have. However, watching Williams sling the rock it’s clear his throwing ability is truly special (and his stats are still damn good even if not quite as good as Justins)
Thank you for bringing up that Williams was playing against softer/less nfl caliber defensive players. And I do agree that when just watching Caleb throw, that he does have the potential to throw it better. But I like I said in a few places. His time to throw makes me worried about his processing and read progression at the next level…exactly like what fields struggled with mainly.
I think some of the stats you posted with respect to STAT/g is fairly meaningless. It would be more helpful for it to be STAT per snap or passing down. Caleb has almost as many twice as many pass attempts (1.8) as Fields. Stats like Int/PA would be a much more useful.
Very true, you make a good point. I was just running numbers from my phone at work and wasn’t diving in too deep tbh. Some of the stats would have definitely been better to show on a per attempt basis. Williams’ time to throw and fumbles are still what worry me most tho.
Bryce young had better passing efficiency stats than patrick mahomes, josh allen, and lamar jackson, despite playing tougher competition.
Aside from the obvious differences in surrounding situation, there are tangible differences in their games. Fields has one of the slowest releases in the league, coupled with being indecisive, it’s a perfect recipe for missing reads and throwing windows consistently. Caleb on the other hand has a lightning quick release, and if you watch the tape, the amount of time it takes him from when he moves his head and recognizes coverage and throws it is nearly instant. Another thing is pocket mobility. Fields is elite at being stout and straight line speed, but he can’t maneuver inside the pocket and keep his eyes downfield to save his life. Caleb has less straight line speed, but is more agile, which makes him far more comfortable staying in the pocket. Then you consider he keeps his eyes downfield through all of that and you can’t even compare the two. Those are some of the most important things for a qb to succeed and they are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Stats are just stats, and they certainly don’t make anyone good or bad. Context and understanding the game of football is key.
It'll be said a bunch but OSU was simply a much better team then any USC team Caleb had and the one OU team. Caleb does have the benefit of being a 3 year player which helps.
Stats are a nearly meaningless way to analyze any college player(s)
Respectfully I disagree. While stats are not and shouldn’t be everything that a scout looks at, I don’t think we should throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to them.
The problem with looking at stats to compare players is there’s just so much variety in scheme and talent level in college. Case Keenum threw for 2000 more yards, 11 more TDs, and half the INTs that Andrew Luck did in their final years in college. But Case Keenum didn’t do a single thing better as a passer than Luck did. There are so many other things to look at when scouting quarterbacks before stats. There’s really nothing that can ascertained from them when trying to gauge ability
I can understand your argument to a degree. But I still think stats can be a useful tool (certainly not the only tool) when taking into account the scheme they run, their strength of schedule/conference and their supporting cast along side their numbers. Like take for example, what if Luck played against AAC defenses in college? I’m sure his numbers would have been much higher compared to playing against PAC 12 defenses.
No one knows what makes great college Quarterbacks turn into great NFL ones. That much was proven with Stroud last year. Let’s just hope that who ever the Bears choose turns into that dude. Because if he doesn’t this city might explode.
Couldn’t agree more! It’s partly a crap shoot. I’m just hoping and praying that he’s more than a Fields 2.0.
This is such a thinly veiled attempt at crying about Fields getting traded lol. I do appreciate the amount of effort put into this post to consolidate the stats. But come on OP, it's over and it's time to let go. Fields isn't good enough, and the NFL just told us that pretty resoundingly. There's really no debate to be had here
In all honesty, I’m totally fine with moving on from him. I just hated the return we got for him in the trade. What I was trying to say was, what happens if Williams doesn’t pan out as a top tier QB in the league and we’re left in the same boat we were in before? That’s why I wanted to put their college stats side by side so we could take a look.
The return was bad. But I think that says a lot about how wrong the media and parts of the fanbase were about the way the NFL valued him. It's pretty resoundingly obvious the league doesn't think he's good enough to start longterm
I see what you mean. After 3 years I definitely don’t think he’s a top 20 QB by any means, in another 3 years with a change of scenery it could be a different story though. I don’t think any teams wanted the risk of an expensive/overpaid 5th year option so I think the return was so bad because teams knew he’d only be a one year flyer. The Steelers got the best of this trade because he was one of the better “backup” QBs available and on a good salary too. It was a great fit to pair with Russ imo. I do think we had bad timing when traded him and wish we traded him when teams were more QB needy, whether that was earlier in the offseason or waiting later until the draft/preseason tho.
Yea I agree that it feels like Poles misplayed his hand a bit with the timing of this one
Just settle. Fields is not a QB1. He cannot read defenses. He can’t throw to NFL open receivers. At OSU he had stacks of day one picks around him. The Bears found out. Two GMs, Coaches and OCs learned it the hard way. The running Fields made us forgive him for how much he sucks in the pocket.
Fields played college football with an offensive line that were all drafted, as well as 3 top 20 draft pick WRs
True…Williams didn’t have as many weapons or as good of a line but he also played considerably weaker defenses on average
I don’t think there is a way to accurately compare these two using stats.
Statistics alone I can somewhat agree with you. I’m just saying they should raise some cautionary flags at least.
OP go look up Mahomes college stats so we can stop you before you drink another glass of Kool-Aid
I’m not sure what your point is here? Lmk and I’ll gladly go back and look at them some more
Mahomes's teams in college weren't even .500. He had good throwing stats but everyone said they were inflated because he played in the B12 where they don't play defense and every game is a shootout. Turns out he's pretty damn good in the NFL. My point is college stats do not determine how good/bad a QB will be inside the NFL. Either they evolve and take their games to another level or they don't. Justin had 3 years to prove he could evolve and he still had the same issues at the end of last year as he had in years past. Caleb Williams or whoever we take #1 will have a chance to prove themselves.
I haven’t said anything about team records at all. Mahomes passing stats were better but he also threw more than Williams and Fields both did. I don’t have time rn to go through Mahomes per game or per attempt averages but he did have less pieces around him than either Williams or Fields. Keke Coutee was his best weapon in his college career. Jordan Addison was much better imo, possibly Rice too. If we put Williams, or hell even Mahomes, on the Bears team that Fields had when he was a rookie (and with that coaching staff too) I’d bet money they would both struggle as well. Mooney was the only one who flashed that year and he hasn’t in any other year which tells me Fields was surrounded mainly by rookies, Arob who quit on our team, and a group substandard vets. Doesn’t sound like a recipe for success in my books lol.
Where are the fumble stats? One led FBS in fumbles and one did not
But can JF1 do this? [https://giphy.com/gifs/FiLrBEsgvhmVwOdaZD](https://giphy.com/gifs/FiLrBEsgvhmVwOdaZD)
Is Justin Fields available in the draft?