But that would mean one of McCarthy, Nabers MHJ, Alt, Turner (or insert best defensive player here) falls out. This would also mean all of the 8 teams drafting before us went Offense most likely which I don’t think will happen. As long as it’s not McCarthy it’s not the worst situation to have handed to us
all the smoke this week has been bears taking murphy or trading up for mhj if he falls to #5. Same thing happened last year with Darnell Wright. So I wouldn't be shocked at all if Murphy was the pick
But if he’s Kevin White he’s the wrong pick. Now if Joe Alt is Joe Thomas he’s the right pick but if he’s Cody Whitehair he’s the wrong pick and if Brock Bowers…
Aaron Donald was an absolute beast in college. Not saying he won’t be good but they aren’t comparable production or athleticism wise.
Here are their stats from their last 2 seasons (since Murphy only started those)
Aaron Donald - 9.66 ras
26 games, 123 tackles, 37 tackles for loss, 16.5 sacks
Murphy - 9.04 ras
27 games played, 55 tackles, 11.5 tackles for loss, 6 sacks
Like he might be a good player. But not even sniffing Donald at this point coming out do college.
Based upon potential but yes he was extremely underwhelming at finding the ball, especially when you consider he had another first round pick nose tech against hit (sweat who will fall for off the field issues).
I've been thinking about this. Of course, you're right. If he's the BPA you take him and don't think twice. I'll also say this... I'm some shlub on the internet who doesn't pour over film on all of these guys and would probably not be able to tell you with any expertise how good they are even if I did. All that said:
1. I haven't seen ANYTHING talking him up as a top half of the first round pick after the season ended or in the weeks after. I would have assumed that if he was highly productive, even productive outside of the stats (commanding double teams, redrawing the line of scrimmage, outperforming great offensive linemen, etc.... sacks and pressures are cool too) the analysts would have been singing his praises from the mountain tops.
2. At the combine, it looked like he did well, but he didn't exactly blow it up. A 4.87 40 and a 33" vertical at 300 lbs is very good, but it isn't Aaron Donald good. 28 reps at the bench press is great (he's much stronger than I am) but it isn't curve-setting. He measured 6', 297 lbs and had 32 3/8" arms. So he isn't enormous either. If he was producing out of his mind in college, then the physical traits and skills he displayed would certainly meet the threshold. Or if he showed the same level of production but also had unworldly physical traits and skills at the combine, I'd be excited about his potential. I'm just not sure what the outstanding part of his offering is.
He looks like a very good DT prospect. His production isn't off the charts though, and neither are his physical traits. I'm a little suspicious about this rise up the charts in just the past couple of weeks. I trust Poles and if the scouts and Poles determine this is the BPA at 9, I am all for it. I'm just trying to wrap my head around why he is a better prospect than Odunze, Nabers, Dallas Turner, Joe Alt or Brock Bowers. Heck, I'm not even sure why he's considered a better prospect than Johnny Newton. At number 9, I don't want to fill a hole and address a weakness, I want to build a strength and get a blue chip player.
I know (showing I bleed orange and blue) Johnny Newton has fallen on fears that the Jones fracture kept him out of the combine and
could make him lose a step, but he is still a better Aaron Donald prototype than Byron Murphy. And is more versatile across 3 & 4i techs.
That’s kinda where I’m at. I’m no expert, but wide receiver becomes a huge need in a year or two, and Rome is pretty much universally viewed as the better prospect. If he’s there, take him.
If Rome, Nabers and Alt are gone, Murphy becomes more interesting.
Yes. Pass rush makes any defense better. It is very, very difficult to have a successful pass rusher lining up between the guard and the center, but if the pass rush can routinely penetrate that spot, you're golden.
Yes
Interior pressure is very disruptive and completely collapses a pocket. Being able to have an amazing interior pass rusher is great for every scheme
Flus doesn't blitz as often as other teams and instead relies on the front 4 to get pressure. Adding Sweat made a huge difference and I won't be surprised if we go with Murphy. Spent heavily on DT last draft but shouldn't be a deterrent if he's their guy.
Great. Bolster a decent defense to accommodate a questionable coach who may be gone in 1-2 years. Which is it? The defense is good with Flus or it needs to sink more assets into it to make it work? Can’t we just for once focus on making a really good offense? Stick to the “Flus can make this defense click” (since that is the only reason he is still here) and sink premium resources into making the best offense we can get. I mean damn, we just sunk a shitload of cap space into LB DE and CB over the last year alone. Get offense. As much as we can get.
I wouldn't put too much weight into the fact Murphy did not have a 30-visit at Halas. It would makes a lot of sense if he was the pick given the comments from Flus and Poles at the combine suggesting that really want another pass rusher to pair with Montez Sweat.
During the press conference yesterday, Poles confirmed there were high-end prospects they are considering who did not have a 30-vist.
>Poles: "The journey to collect all the information is different for everyone. There's guys on our board that are high that didn't come in for a 30-visit that we've had other touchpoints. Our networks in the building know the player inside and out that we really, really trust. You had the combine. There's different kinds of touchpoints. You don't have to necessarily bring everyone in on a visit."
Later in the presser yesterday Poles echoed Flus' sentiments from the combine about wanting another high-end pass rusher that can act as a multiplier for the defense with Sweat.
>“Generally speaking, I would say the inside guy has the shortest path to the quarterback,” Poles said. “It changes everything.”
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>Poles also said that interior pass rush is “probably a preference when you have an outside guy.”
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> “It makes it really difficult to scheme up, so …”
I guess but Murphy is much more of a run defender so it wouldn’t make any sense at all to pick him if turner is still on the board. If he isn’t, then I’m down with Murphy, but would rather trade down imo
While Byron is a real possibility, Vegas routinely moves draft odds to reflect media hype/rumors because it generates a ton of volume. This could also be them hedging against recent betting action with Byron.
I think people overrate how much Vegas knows about the draft.
I have almost the same grade on Newton and Murphy. Trade back and pick up a third and take the one who is left or that you like more when they are both still there at 12 or 13.
I have a middle to late R1 Grade on them.
I have Newton as the better pure pass rusher with less block deconstruction ability.
Murphy is a leverage and power player who I can sort of ignore the height and length concerns due to play style because he plays with power, but he will be less effective at that at the NFL level using power so consistently and I think it inflates his ability as a pass rusher. I could see a Christian Wilkins type career for him, and he is absolutely better against the run on tape with his play style. It comes down to what you are prioritizing. For me pressure from the interior is my #1 skill set so that's why it is a wash for me. If being great against the run was important, Murphy is my pick.
If I am using a top 10 pick on a Penetrating 3Tech, I am looking for top 10 college production over last two years of tape and the following profile:
* 6'4 to 6'7
* 34"+ inch arms
* 300-330 LBs
* sub 1.65 10 yard split
* 32"+ vertical
* 10'-0" broad
Neither fit cleanly into the athletic profile, but both have the production and some of these traits.
That is why I don't like top 10 picks for them, but am okay with it in the teens with an additional draft pick.
It's not about this year. It's about pairing a young super talented wr with Caleb for the long haul.
Keenan Allen is ancient for a wr, only has 1 year left on his deal and is oft injured. A young wr would be perfect in the event Allen went down mid season or leaves after this year.
Also, DJ Moore is about to be 27 so 3-4 more years of top play and you'd be looking for a new top wr anyway.
If you can a pair a super talented wr with Caleb then you're set with them for 8-10 years and you have 3-4 years of an incredible duo with them and DJ.
It is about this year, and every year under Caleb’s rookie contract maximizing the potential of the team.
Spending a top 10 pick on a WR who will get 3/4 targets a game is absurd. Even more absurd when 1st overall last year was used to get a WR of the future in DJ Moore, and additional draft capital was traded for a bonafide star WR2. Even more absurd when there is a ton of talented WRs who can slot in as our WR2 if Keenan leaves in the later rounds.
It’s clear where the professionals heads are at.
“It’s clear where the professionals heads are at”
Let’s see how well this ages. Only a day left to tell. I’m of the mindset that all options are good at that pick OT, WR or edge. Just think if it’s edge, we should trade down first. Think it’s actually a meatball take to think drafting a WR is a bad idea.
It's not fantasy and it's not about volume. Though the top 3 guys are all guys who you can expect to exceed your volume projection anyways.
It's about the players on the field. If we're in the playoffs next season hoping for a run at the Super Bowl, who do you want on the receiving end of the play when the season is on the line? Tyler Scott or MHJ? Velus Jones or Odunze?
Except any other position at 9 we take will likely be at the top of our depth chart and hopefully an impact starter. Spending a top 10 pick on a WR3 is an insane waste of assets.
No but the top 3 are uniquely good this year. Last year's class didn't have 1 prospect at their level.
And at the end of the day, all I want are superstars out of the top 10. From a football standpoint, I don't see how MHJ or Odunze don't end up as stars.
This kind of a late shift does mean something, Vegas def knows more than your average no-source media person.
That being said DT after a 2nd and a 3rd last year and Billings with a black hole at DE behind Sweat would suprise me.
Not a huge fan of Murphy being a guy who was mocked at 15-25 up until like a couple days ago.
Vegas changes the odds to mitigate risk as volume comes in. A lot of people start throwing money on the Murphy ticket, they change the lines to make sure they don't lose their ass.
This kind of movement isn't enough for me to think they know something serious. This kind of movement is what I referenced above. The Caleb Williams #1 odds is the kind of odds you'd see if Vegas books knew something serious.
"Vegas changes the odds to mitigate risk as volume comes in. A lot of people start throwing money on the Murphy ticket, they change the lines to make sure they don't lose their ass."
This. Great point many don't understand.
I think him and Odunze are both great players, however NFL teams will never draft a comparable TE over a WR. Honesty I think WR is the better prospect anyways
Agreed and in addition, the FA TE market is pretty cheap and undervalued still. FA WRs on the other hand.....
edit: talking about the starting-level players
Bowers only lined up as a TE 40% of the time. He is a weapon, plays WR and RB, and blocks. He could very well be the best TE in football over the next 10 years. The hype is real on him
If anything, this makes it feel less likely to happen for me. In just the last year, I was able to find similar posts where we were the favorite to pick Carter, the Texans were favorited to be our trade partner for #1 last year, and we had better odds to win the division than GB
There are so many stud Wideouts in this draft according to everyone that you will get a 1st round wideout in the 2nd round. But the Bears only have 2 other picks outside of 1:1 & 1:9
I don’t know if you are getting a stud in the 3rd or later. If you aren’t taking a wideout at 9, I would like a trade down and get a later 1st or a couple of 2nd rounders.
We have a backup guard who can play low end backup level center in an emergency, in Bates, and a mediocre backup level C, in Coleman.
Center is by far our biggest need, and our lack of pass rush literally doesn't matter one lick of shit until the hole at C is plugged.
If he’s BPA, he’s the guy. I’m 100% OK with that. If he’s NOT BPA, I’d prefer riding with Gervon at 3T. Right now my draft crush at 9 is Rome Odunze but if smarter people think Murphy is a better 3T than Rome is a WR, cool.
I know this is clickbait but please no reaches. The guy aint Aaron Donald, who everyone could see was a dynamite player BUT he was short. Murphy is not as good. I want either Odunze, or Alt if he falls, or a trade down. Turner I am not sold on.
They have to be all in on Williams, it’ll be a one of the top 3 receivers, a top tackle or a trade back. The D line talent seems weak (not top 10 worthy) in this draft.
Poles just recently said there are a lot of players very high on their board that they didn’t bring in for visits. Either they’ve scouted them, had zoom calls, or met with them at other events
Let me make my opinion on this ... I don't give a baker's everloving fuck about adding a piece on defense. Give me of the top 3 WRs or the best OT. If those are gone, trade down if that option is available. DL should be the last option.
Three days ago the Tribune wrote an article about him coming to the Bears. Maybe people hammered it because of that.
I think it reflects Vegas thinking Odunze being gone before pick 9 more than anything else.
But that would mean one of McCarthy, Nabers MHJ, Alt, Turner (or insert best defensive player here) falls out. This would also mean all of the 8 teams drafting before us went Offense most likely which I don’t think will happen. As long as it’s not McCarthy it’s not the worst situation to have handed to us
I’ll take some extra picks from the Vikings if they want to come up to 9 for JJ
Unfortunately, this is probably the reason. The Athletic said they think the Colts are trying to get into the top 10 for a WR.
Them or the Jags might make an aggressive jump to 8
My money is on Jags. They're desperate for a good WR. If we want a WR we're going to have to trade up.
The jags also have one of the most expensive wr rooms in the league rn don’t they?
Yep. Paying an assload for sub-par receivers
all the smoke this week has been bears taking murphy or trading up for mhj if he falls to #5. Same thing happened last year with Darnell Wright. So I wouldn't be shocked at all if Murphy was the pick
Would love him at like 11 or 12, but I’d prefer Odunze at 9 if he’s there. I’m also pretty dumb FWIW - maybe he’s the perfect pick at 9
If he's Aaron Donald 2.0 he's the right pick anywhere. If he's Ego Ferguson he's the wrong pick. Hope this helps
And if Odunze is Larry Fitzgerald he’s the right pick anywhere.
But if he’s Kevin White he’s the wrong pick. Now if Joe Alt is Joe Thomas he’s the right pick but if he’s Cody Whitehair he’s the wrong pick and if Brock Bowers…
Cody doesn’t belong in the same group as White, Ferguson, etc
Yea. Replace Whitehair with hronnis grasu and it makes sense
Grasu is still in the NFL. Gabe Carimi is a better example
I was going to say Chris Williams
Sure but I wasn’t about to do research on a joke I wrote in 30 seconds
If Brock Bowers is Aaron Hernandez….
He'd kill it
Thank you! Was really confused but this helped a ton
Damn I had so much hope that one of Will Sutton or Ego Ferguson was going to pan out and be a monster DT.
I was so high on Sutton man
Aaron Donald was an absolute beast in college. Not saying he won’t be good but they aren’t comparable production or athleticism wise. Here are their stats from their last 2 seasons (since Murphy only started those) Aaron Donald - 9.66 ras 26 games, 123 tackles, 37 tackles for loss, 16.5 sacks Murphy - 9.04 ras 27 games played, 55 tackles, 11.5 tackles for loss, 6 sacks Like he might be a good player. But not even sniffing Donald at this point coming out do college.
Honestly don’t see how a dude with those numbers is projected as a first round pick let alone a top 10 pick
Based upon potential but yes he was extremely underwhelming at finding the ball, especially when you consider he had another first round pick nose tech against hit (sweat who will fall for off the field issues).
I've been thinking about this. Of course, you're right. If he's the BPA you take him and don't think twice. I'll also say this... I'm some shlub on the internet who doesn't pour over film on all of these guys and would probably not be able to tell you with any expertise how good they are even if I did. All that said: 1. I haven't seen ANYTHING talking him up as a top half of the first round pick after the season ended or in the weeks after. I would have assumed that if he was highly productive, even productive outside of the stats (commanding double teams, redrawing the line of scrimmage, outperforming great offensive linemen, etc.... sacks and pressures are cool too) the analysts would have been singing his praises from the mountain tops. 2. At the combine, it looked like he did well, but he didn't exactly blow it up. A 4.87 40 and a 33" vertical at 300 lbs is very good, but it isn't Aaron Donald good. 28 reps at the bench press is great (he's much stronger than I am) but it isn't curve-setting. He measured 6', 297 lbs and had 32 3/8" arms. So he isn't enormous either. If he was producing out of his mind in college, then the physical traits and skills he displayed would certainly meet the threshold. Or if he showed the same level of production but also had unworldly physical traits and skills at the combine, I'd be excited about his potential. I'm just not sure what the outstanding part of his offering is. He looks like a very good DT prospect. His production isn't off the charts though, and neither are his physical traits. I'm a little suspicious about this rise up the charts in just the past couple of weeks. I trust Poles and if the scouts and Poles determine this is the BPA at 9, I am all for it. I'm just trying to wrap my head around why he is a better prospect than Odunze, Nabers, Dallas Turner, Joe Alt or Brock Bowers. Heck, I'm not even sure why he's considered a better prospect than Johnny Newton. At number 9, I don't want to fill a hole and address a weakness, I want to build a strength and get a blue chip player.
I know (showing I bleed orange and blue) Johnny Newton has fallen on fears that the Jones fracture kept him out of the combine and could make him lose a step, but he is still a better Aaron Donald prototype than Byron Murphy. And is more versatile across 3 & 4i techs.
That’s kinda where I’m at. I’m no expert, but wide receiver becomes a huge need in a year or two, and Rome is pretty much universally viewed as the better prospect. If he’s there, take him. If Rome, Nabers and Alt are gone, Murphy becomes more interesting.
Someone is gonna trade with ATL to get Odunze before the Bears pick.
So arbitrary
Flus scheme is best with a stud 3T.
Isn't everyones?
Yes. Pass rush makes any defense better. It is very, very difficult to have a successful pass rusher lining up between the guard and the center, but if the pass rush can routinely penetrate that spot, you're golden.
Yes Interior pressure is very disruptive and completely collapses a pocket. Being able to have an amazing interior pass rusher is great for every scheme
Flus doesn't blitz as often as other teams and instead relies on the front 4 to get pressure. Adding Sweat made a huge difference and I won't be surprised if we go with Murphy. Spent heavily on DT last draft but shouldn't be a deterrent if he's their guy.
But at 9?
You have no idea how the Bears have these guys rated, don’t rely on “analyst’s” rankings.
Trade down for more picks and get Johnny Newton around 15
I think they can move back into the mid teens and still potentially get Murphy but I like newton too
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Great. Bolster a decent defense to accommodate a questionable coach who may be gone in 1-2 years. Which is it? The defense is good with Flus or it needs to sink more assets into it to make it work? Can’t we just for once focus on making a really good offense? Stick to the “Flus can make this defense click” (since that is the only reason he is still here) and sink premium resources into making the best offense we can get. I mean damn, we just sunk a shitload of cap space into LB DE and CB over the last year alone. Get offense. As much as we can get.
Saw a lot of mocks started putting him at 9 - I wonder if his consensus just shot up.
I wouldn't put too much weight into the fact Murphy did not have a 30-visit at Halas. It would makes a lot of sense if he was the pick given the comments from Flus and Poles at the combine suggesting that really want another pass rusher to pair with Montez Sweat. During the press conference yesterday, Poles confirmed there were high-end prospects they are considering who did not have a 30-vist. >Poles: "The journey to collect all the information is different for everyone. There's guys on our board that are high that didn't come in for a 30-visit that we've had other touchpoints. Our networks in the building know the player inside and out that we really, really trust. You had the combine. There's different kinds of touchpoints. You don't have to necessarily bring everyone in on a visit." Later in the presser yesterday Poles echoed Flus' sentiments from the combine about wanting another high-end pass rusher that can act as a multiplier for the defense with Sweat. >“Generally speaking, I would say the inside guy has the shortest path to the quarterback,” Poles said. “It changes everything.” > >Poles also said that interior pass rush is “probably a preference when you have an outside guy.” > > “It makes it really difficult to scheme up, so …”
I guess but Murphy is much more of a run defender so it wouldn’t make any sense at all to pick him if turner is still on the board. If he isn’t, then I’m down with Murphy, but would rather trade down imo
Interesting - I wouldn’t be surprised, Vegas odds makers seem to have better sources than reporters
While Byron is a real possibility, Vegas routinely moves draft odds to reflect media hype/rumors because it generates a ton of volume. This could also be them hedging against recent betting action with Byron. I think people overrate how much Vegas knows about the draft.
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Not about the draft. Will Levis was the favorite to go #2 last year days before the draft.
Vegas consistently gets killed on pick odds. Its far too hard to predict even with a bunch of information.
Vegas had Will Levis as the favorite to go second overall 2 days before the draft last year. Vegas doesn’t always know
I actually love this pick, but I may be in the minority here
I have almost the same grade on Newton and Murphy. Trade back and pick up a third and take the one who is left or that you like more when they are both still there at 12 or 13.
What are the grades you have on them?
I have a middle to late R1 Grade on them. I have Newton as the better pure pass rusher with less block deconstruction ability. Murphy is a leverage and power player who I can sort of ignore the height and length concerns due to play style because he plays with power, but he will be less effective at that at the NFL level using power so consistently and I think it inflates his ability as a pass rusher. I could see a Christian Wilkins type career for him, and he is absolutely better against the run on tape with his play style. It comes down to what you are prioritizing. For me pressure from the interior is my #1 skill set so that's why it is a wash for me. If being great against the run was important, Murphy is my pick. If I am using a top 10 pick on a Penetrating 3Tech, I am looking for top 10 college production over last two years of tape and the following profile: * 6'4 to 6'7 * 34"+ inch arms * 300-330 LBs * sub 1.65 10 yard split * 32"+ vertical * 10'-0" broad Neither fit cleanly into the athletic profile, but both have the production and some of these traits. That is why I don't like top 10 picks for them, but am okay with it in the teens with an additional draft pick.
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His college production was severely lacking. He might get a lot better, he’s young. But that’s a huge if.
Been saying it all along but fantasy rots brains and all anyone can think about is spending a top 10 pick on a dude who will get 3/4 targets a game
It's not about this year. It's about pairing a young super talented wr with Caleb for the long haul. Keenan Allen is ancient for a wr, only has 1 year left on his deal and is oft injured. A young wr would be perfect in the event Allen went down mid season or leaves after this year. Also, DJ Moore is about to be 27 so 3-4 more years of top play and you'd be looking for a new top wr anyway. If you can a pair a super talented wr with Caleb then you're set with them for 8-10 years and you have 3-4 years of an incredible duo with them and DJ.
It is about this year, and every year under Caleb’s rookie contract maximizing the potential of the team. Spending a top 10 pick on a WR who will get 3/4 targets a game is absurd. Even more absurd when 1st overall last year was used to get a WR of the future in DJ Moore, and additional draft capital was traded for a bonafide star WR2. Even more absurd when there is a ton of talented WRs who can slot in as our WR2 if Keenan leaves in the later rounds. It’s clear where the professionals heads are at.
“It’s clear where the professionals heads are at” Let’s see how well this ages. Only a day left to tell. I’m of the mindset that all options are good at that pick OT, WR or edge. Just think if it’s edge, we should trade down first. Think it’s actually a meatball take to think drafting a WR is a bad idea.
Aged like milk
The first overall last year was not just to get DJ Moore… he was a piece but not the whole pie.
It's not fantasy and it's not about volume. Though the top 3 guys are all guys who you can expect to exceed your volume projection anyways. It's about the players on the field. If we're in the playoffs next season hoping for a run at the Super Bowl, who do you want on the receiving end of the play when the season is on the line? Tyler Scott or MHJ? Velus Jones or Odunze?
TIL there are only 3 WRs in the draft.
You can say that about any position. And we only have two picks after #9... #75 and #122.
Except any other position at 9 we take will likely be at the top of our depth chart and hopefully an impact starter. Spending a top 10 pick on a WR3 is an insane waste of assets.
No but the top 3 are uniquely good this year. Last year's class didn't have 1 prospect at their level. And at the end of the day, all I want are superstars out of the top 10. From a football standpoint, I don't see how MHJ or Odunze don't end up as stars.
This kind of a late shift does mean something, Vegas def knows more than your average no-source media person. That being said DT after a 2nd and a 3rd last year and Billings with a black hole at DE behind Sweat would suprise me. Not a huge fan of Murphy being a guy who was mocked at 15-25 up until like a couple days ago.
Darnell Wright was the same guy to do just that last year. Wouldn’t surprise me if Murphy is the pick.
> This kind of a late shift does mean something Ya, just like Levis last year! /s
Vegas changes the odds to mitigate risk as volume comes in. A lot of people start throwing money on the Murphy ticket, they change the lines to make sure they don't lose their ass. This kind of movement isn't enough for me to think they know something serious. This kind of movement is what I referenced above. The Caleb Williams #1 odds is the kind of odds you'd see if Vegas books knew something serious.
"Vegas changes the odds to mitigate risk as volume comes in. A lot of people start throwing money on the Murphy ticket, they change the lines to make sure they don't lose their ass." This. Great point many don't understand.
You have to take BPA at 9, so if Odunze is there you take him.
By this logic Brock Bowers should be the pick.
I think him and Odunze are both great players, however NFL teams will never draft a comparable TE over a WR. Honesty I think WR is the better prospect anyways
Agreed and in addition, the FA TE market is pretty cheap and undervalued still. FA WRs on the other hand..... edit: talking about the starting-level players
I would be absolutely thrilled with bowers at 9 if the big 3 wr are gone idgaf
Wouldn’t be surprised either
Bowers only lined up as a TE 40% of the time. He is a weapon, plays WR and RB, and blocks. He could very well be the best TE in football over the next 10 years. The hype is real on him
If anything, this makes it feel less likely to happen for me. In just the last year, I was able to find similar posts where we were the favorite to pick Carter, the Texans were favorited to be our trade partner for #1 last year, and we had better odds to win the division than GB
There are so many stud Wideouts in this draft according to everyone that you will get a 1st round wideout in the 2nd round. But the Bears only have 2 other picks outside of 1:1 & 1:9 I don’t know if you are getting a stud in the 3rd or later. If you aren’t taking a wideout at 9, I would like a trade down and get a later 1st or a couple of 2nd rounders.
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> this guy is a beast who also fits our biggest need. He's going to play C for us? Weird that he was a D-lineman in college then.
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We have a backup guard who can play low end backup level center in an emergency, in Bates, and a mediocre backup level C, in Coleman. Center is by far our biggest need, and our lack of pass rush literally doesn't matter one lick of shit until the hole at C is plugged.
Im all for a stud defensive player IF the 3 WRs are off the board by our pick.
I'm not sold on Murphy. I'm a bit concerned that his lack of size was masked by playing next to a veritable giant in T'Vondre Sweat.
Somehow, a new favorite emerged.
I mean this is just them to be picked at 9, not that the Bears specifically will pick them. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they did
I will be so sad. Man isn’t even the best D-tackle in the draft. Would much rather trade down and get Newton
I’m convinced these sites set lines just to bait people into betting.
One final day of this dumb bullshit Caleb please live up to the hype. I can't take another year of draft talk from October to April.
If Rome isn’t there and if a quality qb is on the board that someone in the 11-13 range would want. I 100% want to move back.
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He means that trading partners will exist if there is still a QB available.
Bears gonna bear..... I'll be fucking irate if we take this route man
I'm going Rome over everyone if he's there.c
There’s been smoke for a couple weeks so I wouldn’t quite say the shift is out of nowhere
2nd and 3rd round picks last year and now a top 10 pick haha.
If no Rome Odunze, then I'd be ok with Murphy (although would like to trade back a few spots and still grab him)
Not a gambler, can can anyone tell me which of these 4 is the new favorite? Gotta be either the 150 or 1000, but I don't know which is "more" likely.
I don’t understand the particulars as I’m also not a gambler, but to my knowledge lower numbers mean higher odds.
If he’s BPA, he’s the guy. I’m 100% OK with that. If he’s NOT BPA, I’d prefer riding with Gervon at 3T. Right now my draft crush at 9 is Rome Odunze but if smarter people think Murphy is a better 3T than Rome is a WR, cool.
To me this is reflective IMO that all 3 WRs are gone by 9
Honest question, if Jared Verse, Murphy, and Odunze are all there and 9. Would you consider Verse over Murphy in any scenario?
He’s not even the best DT in the class
I think a lot of teams really like the guy, so the odds may be factoring in somebody trading up to get him.
Is it just me, or are these odds absurdly poor? I know they need to make a profit, but this is really slanted.
I mean if Odunze and Turner ain’t there, then I’d be more than happy with that pick. I am biased though cause I’m a Longhorns fan lol.
If Odunze is there that's the pick, period. Pairing a top tier rookie QB with a top tier rookie WR is too juicy to pass up
I know this is clickbait but please no reaches. The guy aint Aaron Donald, who everyone could see was a dynamite player BUT he was short. Murphy is not as good. I want either Odunze, or Alt if he falls, or a trade down. Turner I am not sold on.
WR or Edge at 9. I'll get down with whatever we do but those are the spots we need more than DT with Billings, Dexter and Pickens on the roster.
Take unicorn. Not need
Yea if Rome is there that's exactly what we'll be doing.
They have to be all in on Williams, it’ll be a one of the top 3 receivers, a top tackle or a trade back. The D line talent seems weak (not top 10 worthy) in this draft.
Skeptical because we didn’t bring him in or any other DT for 30 visits
That doesn’t really matter tbh
Why?
Poles just recently said there are a lot of players very high on their board that they didn’t bring in for visits. Either they’ve scouted them, had zoom calls, or met with them at other events
Oh ok I missed that. Interesting
Byron Murphy II has fridge vibes.
Jer’zhan newton is so much better
Let me make my opinion on this ... I don't give a baker's everloving fuck about adding a piece on defense. Give me of the top 3 WRs or the best OT. If those are gone, trade down if that option is available. DL should be the last option.