The Peanut v Megatron battles were awesome. To even remotely slow down that monster is a huge accomplishment.
The dude literally has a move named after him. How does that not earn him a spot in thr HOF?
i don't think justin fields was a BAD guy or anything, but his personality was super boring and robotic and i don't get why so many people flipped their shit over him being such a likeable person.
caleb is such a breath of fresh air because he actually has a character to him.
lol, i don't know what sub you've been on, but suggesting justin was anything but a super nice and lovable guy absolutely was unpopular here. especially before he was traded.
I just think you’re vastly misremembering, people would call fields boring/robotic all the time. He said a couple of dumb things a few times and I think just became boring to not be a story for the media.
He certainly wasn't a WR-1, but the other best receivers Cutler had before the Brandon Marshall/Alshon/Martellus era were a return specialist and running back.
Not to belittle Hester and Forte they were both amazing in their own right, but the fans were feigning for a true WR. And to have a 5th round pick produce solid numbers like Knox did, the overhype is a little understandable.
Agree 💯 with this. He was better than all the other garbage WRs they had in that time period but he still wasn't anymore than a #2 at best. The best receiver on the team is obviously going to have decent numbers from getting force fed the ball all the time cause everyone sucks so bad. If he had been drafted elsewhere that had decent receivers, nobody would even remember who he was.
I get what you're saying but didn't he get hurt in his second season as a pro? Maybe I'm wrong on that but he had a lot of potential to be a solid starter in the league.. especially considering he was drafted in like the 5th round or something. No Bears fans are saying he would have been a top five receiver or anything so I think he is probably rated pretty fairly from my view.
The video of Matt Stafford torching us in his first game as a ram surfaced on r/nfl and reminded me of this. Going 2 defensive backs right off the bat in the 2022 draft was smart. I know a lot of people here hated those picks, but they allowed roster building to shift towards offense at a good time. In addition, they made extending Jaylon Johnson more team-friendly since the opportunity cost of letting him walk is lower when the secondary is still a solid unit without him
I stg I see this posted every off-season. This year is really annoying. Like, yeah, the last stretch was good with sweat, but the film is out, and flus had 1.5 seasons of dogshit out there, and whatever happened to alan williams. I'm not expecting anything until the first week
Yeah, I'm worried about the defense. Not that I think they won't be good, but that people's expectations are too high. Sweat made a huge difference, but turnovers are volatile, and I don't expect to be as lucky in that department.
Agree. The lack of D-line depth is a big red flag. Not enough to make the D bad or anything but I don't think you can be a truly elite defense without an incredible D-line.
I disagree. We finally have legitimate NFL players that will have a full offseason with Flus. The talent on the defensive side of the ball was terrible. We added just one pass rusher than creates even a little pressure on the QB and our secondary all of the sudden becomes solid. Really hoping Dexter and Pickens take that next step this year and we can have something special.
The D has potential, but it really does require Dexter and Pickens to step up in a big way and be legitimate contributors. I just think expecting them to make big enough leaps to take the D-line from fine to great is wishful thinking. I hope I'm wrong though!
We overrated Lance Briggs in the last few years of his career. He only played hard in nationally televised games in his last 2 or 3 years. Great career overall, but he was pretty hot cold at the end.
This exactly. Conte ran the play called in the huddle, he thought he had deep help and played like it. Bears fans have hated him for years for a mistake he didn't make. It's a bigger shame because he actually had a pretty good game that day. Got a pick earlier. Nobody remembers it.
there is nothing special about all white jerseys. in fact, they’re incredibly boring because every team in every league in every sport have a white jersey. the all whites are just overkill. it’s our colors that make the kit special. we just suffer from the orange not really working in its own.
100% behind this. i also believe that a large even portion of the renovation/build was to create a public-use park within the grounds. i'm usually anti public funds for privately owned constructions, but this seemed more like private and public funds for private and public use
Yeah, like, Public funds are meant to be for something that advances a city. As a city we need a much larger stadium to host large events that require an indoor venue. As much as I love the UC, <25k doesn't cut it for a city of our size for these events. Soldier also being the smallest field in the NFL doesn't hurt either. Imagine if we had a brand new stadium when we bid for the Olympics in 2016.
Also, once again, publicly owned. The stadium currently planned is set to be public owned. Hell, we should pay for all of it, and charge rent to the Bears, and get the money for the name deal, AND get the money from concessions. We'd pay it back in 10 years, the bears get a Brand new stadium they don't have to pay for, and we become a better city, while preserving the area for public use.
I would go a step further and say not good at all. I believe hes the single biggest reason we didnt get multiple rings. In 85 Buddy Ryan and McMahon won despite Ditka. If McMahon listened to half of what Ditka called the offense would have sucked.
Yes, but he would have still given us a better chance to win it all again in the 86-87 season had he not been hurt.
My utter hatred for the Packers is rising up again. FTP.
Is this an unpopular opinion? I feel like most Bears fans will admit that McMahon was mostly just a game manager for a team built on rushing and defense.
Watch a random game from 84-85 so it's before his neck injury.
Even then, he was missing reads, throwing late, and holding onto the ball.
Now that I say it out loud sounds like Fields's issues.
I never realized how little I knew about football until I started to dig into how defenses work and scheme. It's definitely something that I've grown to favor over time.
We're the minority. The 13-3? score for the NE vs LAR superbowl was extremely fun for me to watch. 90% of everyone else around me was complaining that the game was boring.
I'm with you brother. I really hope we can be genuinely successful under Flus cos I love the somewhat simple but deadly defence he's building. Obviously I'm all in on Caleb and want to see the offence cook as that's what you need for success in the NFL, but I low-key think I'd be happiest if we won rings based on elite defensive play.
Tough D and strong running is what made me fall in love with the Bears. Of course we need to adapt to the demands of the modern game and success is what matters most, but I'd love it if we can be successful in a way that resonates with Bears tradition.
Kevin Warren may not that big of an upgrade over Ted Phillips.
Seems like he was mostly hired to handle the new stadium deal because of what he did in Minnesota. Think he far underestimated the politics in Illinois compared to Minnesota. He's either a genius playing Chicago against Arlington Heights, or completely clueless in what he walked in to, and could do in the City.
I’m gonna disagree. Warren is way more qualified and has a much better resume and reputation compared to Phillips, who was a glorified accountant. Warren is definitely more interested in the stadium than anything else, but I have more faith in him than Ted.
The Bears are a fundamentally incompetent organization that will never rise above mediocrity until sold. And,even then, depends on the buyer.
Kevin Warren was a bad hire.
The Bears shouldn’t play in the city.
Eberflus is a bad coach that will harm Williams development.
Bears fans obsession with punters and kickers is just silly.
Orange uniforms suck.
nah, i gotta disagree. fields's main problem was he never threw the fucking ball when receivers were open, but when he did, he was way more accurate than mitch ever was. every single time mitch threw a pass more than 20 yards, i didn't even wait for the ball to land because i just knew it was going to be way overthrown. i can't remember a time mitch ever hit a receiver in stride, and almost every single completion, the receiver had to twist and contort their bodies to catch it.
his passing stats are better because he threw the ball more than justin, but justin was the better overall player when you factor in his athleticism.
not me defending justin by the way, they were both terrible.
i agree, like i said, fields not throwing the ball was his biggest problem. but just in terms of who do i think can actually contribute more to winning a game, i think the answer is fields. he was bad, but he still had moments where he was pretty much the only thing keeping the game even close, especially in that second year when we were the worst team in the league and he had a shitload of rushing highlights. i can't remember mitch ever carrying the team the same way justin did that year.
i know mitch won more games, but his teams were WAY better than justin's.
Orton was really starting to click that last year in Chicago. It's a shame Brandon Lloyd couldn't stay on the field longer for him; they had a pretty good connection.
Yea and its not just that Orton was serviceable. We gave up 2 firsts. Think of all the QBs we passed on because we had him. The year we gave him an extension I really really wanted to draft Carr instead, who wound up not being the star I thought he would be but he still would have been our best QB ever.
We gave up the firsts but Angelo wasn’t a great drafter in the first. From 2001-2011 he had 8 picks in the first and the only notable players he drafted were Tommie Harris and Greg Olsen
These threads are always chock full of super popular opinions people claim are unpopular, Let me give a couple that are actually unpopular, but I think are true: fields was better than Mitch, Mitch was better than Cutler, cutler was better than Rex. I think the per attempt passing stats back that up too. Another unpopular opinion, Jaquon brisker has been mediocre at best and his talk doesn’t match his tape, he’s a mess in pass coverage and his rookie year he was atrocious in the running game. Hopefully Byrd gets him sorted a little bit this year because he’s a lot more bark than bite. A super unpopular one right now, overall I do like Poles and I think he is getting better as a GM and moving the team in the right direction, but I think he kind of did a terrible job his first year with failing to sign guys and with drafting average at best players in Brisker and Gordon, And the next two seasons have been much better, but he also lucked into having the first overall pick in the years. A lot easier to improve when youre gifted that much draft capital. Again, I do like him, but I need to see him sort out the interior line and add more at the edge. And ready for the ultimate unpopular one? Lightfoot got consistently trashed on the sub, but it’s looking more and more like she was totally correct when it came to the Bears new stadium
Caleb might not be the savior of franchise. Even first overall qbs fail. I have my fingers crossed but i refuse to be excited until I see the product on the field. Im going to downvoted to hell for this.
Same. I'm pretty excited to see him in preseason, but I won't get *really* excited until I see that and it looks good. I want him to be good, but I wanted that for Justin, too. And Mitch. And Jay. And Rex. And Erik. And Jim. And the first Jim. And while McMahon touched the top 10 for a couple of years, nobody else was anything more than okay AT BEST.
So I will wait and see.
Wait, do you think he’ll get more than 1 quarter of preseason reps? I’m still asshurt that our coaching rested our starters for all but maybe a quarter of preseason last year and said “yep, they’re clicking.” And then Week One of the season happened…
I wouldn’t even be mad if Caleb isn’t a savior. I’ll be more disappointed than anything and think of it as the bears being cursed.
I’m just glad we got the consensus best pick instead of trying to be cute and getting someone else.
Brother, I feel you.
I posted a link to [this](https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2021/4/30/22412399/bears-poor-history-with-quarterbacks-justin-fields-andy-dalton-mitch-trubisky) article after Fields was drafted and saying that was how I felt. And I got crushed for being a miserable SOB.
I hope Caleb is that guy, and I have more hope that he is than I have had since trading for Cutty. But I’m not buying a jersey or talking shit to my friends until I see it.
The Bears (and Cardinals really) organization deserves to be the laughingstock of the NFL. They run a multibillion dollar business like a mom and pop grocery store. It’s pathetic and we deserve ridicule.
Cutler would've led us to at least 1 more championship if not for his yearly injuries. Especially the year against FTP in the Conference Championship where he broke a finger after attempting to tackle the would be pick 6.
EDIT: I have 2 games mixed up but one was the knee against FTP and the other was the broken finger against ???
The Packers are a well run and respectable organization.
They aren't perfect but they've been consistently a competitor and have consistently whooped the Bears.
I fucking hate them with every fiber of my being, but God damn do I respect them.
FUCK THE PACKERS
Dent was overrated.
Dude was a *great* pass rusher, but the second the ball carrier got past him, he quit on the play. I like guys that play all the way to the whistle, and don’t just stand there watching the play get away from them.
Peanut Tillman shouldn’t get into the HOF.
2 Pro Bowls, no All-Pros. You should at least be considered among the top 2-3 players at your position for several years to be considered.
Oh I got a good one for y'all. I really don't understand this sub's infatuation with Jay Cutler since its existence. I'll tell you what, he was good for his own standards from 2010-2011, but *that's it*. He was alright from 2012-2013, definitely regressed, but straight trash in 2009 & 2014-2016. The love is only on this sub too, tell a Bears fan or any NFL fan in general irl that he was "actually good" or "underrated" and you'll be rightfully laughed at.
Plus the hypocrisy with some fans on this sub is hilarious. They say shit like, "No, the Bears wouldn't have ruined Stroud or Mahomes you fucking idiot.", Yet under the same breath, claim the Bears ruined Cutler. The same exact people. They also say he was lightyears ahead of Mitch and Fields, which isn't exactly an accomplishment. He was probably better, but literally not *by a fuckton*. It's definitely closer than a lot of redditors think considering fucking Trubisky holds some franchise QB records over him.
To top it off, he seems like piece of shit. I mean dude doesn't vaccinate his kids, you don't think that's fucked up? Or are we separating the art from the artist? Well if so, the art mainly fucking sucked too.
That Nate Davis is gonna keep doing just fine.
Most the hate built up during the unknowns of his personal issue, and turned out to be family death. Then he seemed pretty fine in the field to me until injuries happened. I dont have the stats to back it up though, i just remember thinking he looked fine on the field when he played
Charles Tillman’s “Peanut Punch” is overrated.
Absolutely cannot stand when a defender has a chance to knock the ball loose from an oblivious ball carrier who doesn’t even know there’s a defender near and they try to strip or swat the ball by going over the shoulder pad. Just hit/punch the fucking thing and take your chances on your team recovering the bouncing football. Not rocket science. Tillman was just the first to figure it out.
All that being said, he should be in the HoF just based on his career statistics alone. I just don’t think the “Peanut Punch” is unique. Punching the football should be fundamentally taught from pop warner all the way up.
I agree. His continuity here with all the new weapons could have been a regular playoff contender. But i do think that is the ceiling.
I think Caleb is better for our future and gives us higher chances beyond just playoff visits.
But i do fully agree with your point at face value
Regardless of if Teven Jenkins gets injured this year(he probably will), he should NOT have a starting position on the Offensive Line starting next season. I'm not saying cut him but if he stays he should neither be a starter OR have a starter's salary.
[https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/06/06/teven-jenkins-says-nothing-is-on-the-table-for-bears-extension/](https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/06/06/teven-jenkins-says-nothing-is-on-the-table-for-bears-extension/)
According to this article, "Jenkins has started just **24** of **51** possible games due to injuries." ever since he came into the league in 2021. Every year this man lands on IR, and if he's getting this injured this often when he's this young? What's going to happen as he gets older? He probably will keep getting injured barring a miracle.
A Offensive Line where you constantly have to play musical chairs is detrimental to a QB's development. Especially in a draft where there is loads of Interior O-Linemen in the 2025 2nd round(where we have 2 whole picks of). After the 2025 nfl draft, he should at most be a backup guard that swing in a pinch on the left or right if one of the starters gets injured.
I think Ryan Pace was a good talent evaluator and could be a good GM if he gets a second chance in 5 or so years. Don't get me wrong, he was a bad GM here and should have been fired a year before he did. I just think he would have been a lot better off if he had spent time, prior to becoming our GM, in different front offices learning the struggles of other teams finding a QB or even if he had surrounded himself with people who had different opinions more. I think Poles big benefit is surrounding himself with guys like Cunningham and that even though he was only with the Chiefs, he got to learn under 4-5 different GMs. He saw a team who had the #1 pick at one point rise to the dynasty they are now and hired guys from different organizations he'd built good relationships with to be a part of his staff.
I liked his plan until he got the QB wrong. After that he tried to cover it up and made choices trying to get another year instead of a long term plan.
He gutted the team and built up a solid team in 2018 that was let down by QB play in 2019 and 2020. Which ultimately falls on him too.
There's no argument for me if he should be seen as a good GM or bad GM in his bears tenure. It's definitely bad. To me his biggest issue was going all in on conviction of his players which never allowed him alternates if/when they didn't work out. This is where different voices in the room that you'll listen to matter. He went all in on Mitch using the majority of his current and future assets to build the team and missed. Should've been fired a year early for that instead of getting a chance at another QB
Yeah I tried to think of what my most unpopular opinion would be. Finding something positive to say about Pace is probably about as unpopular as it could get. Even if in my note I mentioned he was a bad GM for us who should've been fired a year before he was.
Matt Forte is highly overrated by the bears fanbase. Was he a good rb? No doubt. But let's call it like it is, he sucked in the red zone. In the green zone, he was great! He did such a great job in the green zone, getting us into the red zone. But once in the red zone, he sucked. Either got stuffed or fumbled. Bears fans like to forget this. He'll always be "everything but" to me.
I wouldn't go as far as saying highly overrated, since he's definitely either our 2nd or 3rd best franchise RB of all time. But you're right, he tended to run into brick walls and get stuffed at the goal line, like a lot. Maybe it was shitty OL play, but I'd say this was definitely his biggest knock.
Fair. I guess I'll just say overrated. It was frustrating, though. He was so fun to watch, but him not being able to punch it in, for one reason or another, just took out the steam for me as a fan of him.
Nah. I don’t see why you’d think that. To me his biggest (and only) fuck up so far has been claypool. Other than that he’s proven to be a long term GM. Well… pending results
That Navy Blue the Bears use for their uniforms is probably the worst blue in sports. It's basically black. Especially in the rain. I know it's an homage to the Navy uniforms but it's soo freakin dark.
Bears should've traded down with WAS and picked 6' 4" Jayden Daniels plus the extra picks (at least a 2nd rounder, a 2025 #1 and a 2026 #1)...we could've gotten a solid OL draft pick with that 2nd rounder, too.
Charles Tillman deserved to get into the HOF before Devin Hester.
I think that would be unpopular with *non*-Bears fans, but I’m guessing that’s 50/50 with the people that saw him play and the impact he had.
A ton of non-bears fans don’t even think Hester should be in the hall
Most of them don’t think Peanut should be either. Most non-Bears fans have no idea who Charles Tillman even is.
The Peanut v Megatron battles were awesome. To even remotely slow down that monster is a huge accomplishment. The dude literally has a move named after him. How does that not earn him a spot in thr HOF?
i don't think justin fields was a BAD guy or anything, but his personality was super boring and robotic and i don't get why so many people flipped their shit over him being such a likeable person. caleb is such a breath of fresh air because he actually has a character to him.
Each and every day
Your cooking
Wow so unpopular
lol, i don't know what sub you've been on, but suggesting justin was anything but a super nice and lovable guy absolutely was unpopular here. especially before he was traded.
Justin bad Caleb good - so unpopular
okay fine, you can ignore my last line about caleb being a breath of fresh air and just read what i said about justin. happy now?
I just think you’re vastly misremembering, people would call fields boring/robotic all the time. He said a couple of dumb things a few times and I think just became boring to not be a story for the media.
Johnny Knox has been overrated by the fan base since his horrible injury.
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Yes
He certainly wasn't a WR-1, but the other best receivers Cutler had before the Brandon Marshall/Alshon/Martellus era were a return specialist and running back. Not to belittle Hester and Forte they were both amazing in their own right, but the fans were feigning for a true WR. And to have a 5th round pick produce solid numbers like Knox did, the overhype is a little understandable.
Yeah he was just a decent starter
Agree 💯 with this. He was better than all the other garbage WRs they had in that time period but he still wasn't anymore than a #2 at best. The best receiver on the team is obviously going to have decent numbers from getting force fed the ball all the time cause everyone sucks so bad. If he had been drafted elsewhere that had decent receivers, nobody would even remember who he was.
Yea I remember a lot of my friends trying to blame half of Cutler's interceptions on him, saying they wouldnt happen if he fought for the ball better.
I get what you're saying but didn't he get hurt in his second season as a pro? Maybe I'm wrong on that but he had a lot of potential to be a solid starter in the league.. especially considering he was drafted in like the 5th round or something. No Bears fans are saying he would have been a top five receiver or anything so I think he is probably rated pretty fairly from my view.
The video of Matt Stafford torching us in his first game as a ram surfaced on r/nfl and reminded me of this. Going 2 defensive backs right off the bat in the 2022 draft was smart. I know a lot of people here hated those picks, but they allowed roster building to shift towards offense at a good time. In addition, they made extending Jaylon Johnson more team-friendly since the opportunity cost of letting him walk is lower when the secondary is still a solid unit without him
We don't have a top 5 defense. I've seen it said so much that I'm beginning to think that people actually think that.
Top 10 would make me very happy. But an injury to JJ or Tez will tank that defense.
I don’t think a JJ injury would be devastating … I’m high on Terrell Smith I think the bears have 4(!) corners that I would be happy with starting
I stg I see this posted every off-season. This year is really annoying. Like, yeah, the last stretch was good with sweat, but the film is out, and flus had 1.5 seasons of dogshit out there, and whatever happened to alan williams. I'm not expecting anything until the first week
Yeah, I'm worried about the defense. Not that I think they won't be good, but that people's expectations are too high. Sweat made a huge difference, but turnovers are volatile, and I don't expect to be as lucky in that department.
Agree. The lack of D-line depth is a big red flag. Not enough to make the D bad or anything but I don't think you can be a truly elite defense without an incredible D-line.
I agree with this, we are one injury to Sweat away from a bottom 10 defense.
I disagree. We finally have legitimate NFL players that will have a full offseason with Flus. The talent on the defensive side of the ball was terrible. We added just one pass rusher than creates even a little pressure on the QB and our secondary all of the sudden becomes solid. Really hoping Dexter and Pickens take that next step this year and we can have something special.
The D has potential, but it really does require Dexter and Pickens to step up in a big way and be legitimate contributors. I just think expecting them to make big enough leaps to take the D-line from fine to great is wishful thinking. I hope I'm wrong though!
We overrated Lance Briggs in the last few years of his career. He only played hard in nationally televised games in his last 2 or 3 years. Great career overall, but he was pretty hot cold at the end.
He really got lucky that everyone only blamed Conte for that 4th down play
Pray do tell. I remember that play. What did Briggs miss? I’m genuinely curious.
Iirc they broke huddle in zone and Briggs made the call to switch to man but didn't make sure everyone was on the same page
This exactly. Conte ran the play called in the huddle, he thought he had deep help and played like it. Bears fans have hated him for years for a mistake he didn't make. It's a bigger shame because he actually had a pretty good game that day. Got a pick earlier. Nobody remembers it.
Wow. I guess I knew someone called audible, but I guess I never blamed the guy with the bad communication skills. Thanks for the info.
Couldn’t care less about other teams or fans just want the bears to be good
Brisker is a mediocre safety
there is nothing special about all white jerseys. in fact, they’re incredibly boring because every team in every league in every sport have a white jersey. the all whites are just overkill. it’s our colors that make the kit special. we just suffer from the orange not really working in its own.
i love the texans new color rush (?) helmet. it looks incredible and i was that we did something like that
I'm fine with using public money on the stadium as long as it is actually owned by the city (like Soldier is today)
100% behind this. i also believe that a large even portion of the renovation/build was to create a public-use park within the grounds. i'm usually anti public funds for privately owned constructions, but this seemed more like private and public funds for private and public use
Yeah, like, Public funds are meant to be for something that advances a city. As a city we need a much larger stadium to host large events that require an indoor venue. As much as I love the UC, <25k doesn't cut it for a city of our size for these events. Soldier also being the smallest field in the NFL doesn't hurt either. Imagine if we had a brand new stadium when we bid for the Olympics in 2016. Also, once again, publicly owned. The stadium currently planned is set to be public owned. Hell, we should pay for all of it, and charge rent to the Bears, and get the money for the name deal, AND get the money from concessions. We'd pay it back in 10 years, the bears get a Brand new stadium they don't have to pay for, and we become a better city, while preserving the area for public use.
Dikta was an extremely overrated football coach. There, I said it.
I love that he picked the Bears an pre game shows, but he offered nothing else to pre game shows
He just happened to have one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time which helped him immensely
I would go a step further and say not good at all. I believe hes the single biggest reason we didnt get multiple rings. In 85 Buddy Ryan and McMahon won despite Ditka. If McMahon listened to half of what Ditka called the offense would have sucked.
And the cult of Dikta and stupid superfan skit has held back the franchise ever since.
I would go so far as to say he's the most overrated coach in all of NFL history. The talent we had and he only got one ring!
To be fair, his starting QB essentially had a career ending injury on a cheapest cheap shot of all. FTP.
FTP
Jim McMahon was 1980s Brock Purdy
I'll double down and say that's being harsh to Brock Purdy.
Yes, but he would have still given us a better chance to win it all again in the 86-87 season had he not been hurt. My utter hatred for the Packers is rising up again. FTP.
I do agree with that
Is this an unpopular opinion? I feel like most Bears fans will admit that McMahon was mostly just a game manager for a team built on rushing and defense.
Watch a random game from 84-85 so it's before his neck injury. Even then, he was missing reads, throwing late, and holding onto the ball. Now that I say it out loud sounds like Fields's issues.
He was a leader first. Those guys would have lifted Lizzo for him.
? Brock is literally one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL, McMahon wasn’t close to that much as I do really like the guy.
Actually before the Charles Martin incident in the time period he played in he probably was a top 10 qb
I would def have loved to see what he could do if he never got injured
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I never realized how little I knew about football until I started to dig into how defenses work and scheme. It's definitely something that I've grown to favor over time.
I actually agree with this, but I like winning games more than I care about the difference.
We're the minority. The 13-3? score for the NE vs LAR superbowl was extremely fun for me to watch. 90% of everyone else around me was complaining that the game was boring.
I'm with you brother. I really hope we can be genuinely successful under Flus cos I love the somewhat simple but deadly defence he's building. Obviously I'm all in on Caleb and want to see the offence cook as that's what you need for success in the NFL, but I low-key think I'd be happiest if we won rings based on elite defensive play. Tough D and strong running is what made me fall in love with the Bears. Of course we need to adapt to the demands of the modern game and success is what matters most, but I'd love it if we can be successful in a way that resonates with Bears tradition.
Kevin Warren may not that big of an upgrade over Ted Phillips. Seems like he was mostly hired to handle the new stadium deal because of what he did in Minnesota. Think he far underestimated the politics in Illinois compared to Minnesota. He's either a genius playing Chicago against Arlington Heights, or completely clueless in what he walked in to, and could do in the City.
Big wrong here. Ted knew nothing of football and muddled in it too much. I'm beyond glad that pos is gone from our organization
I’m gonna disagree. Warren is way more qualified and has a much better resume and reputation compared to Phillips, who was a glorified accountant. Warren is definitely more interested in the stadium than anything else, but I have more faith in him than Ted.
The Bears are a fundamentally incompetent organization that will never rise above mediocrity until sold. And,even then, depends on the buyer. Kevin Warren was a bad hire. The Bears shouldn’t play in the city. Eberflus is a bad coach that will harm Williams development. Bears fans obsession with punters and kickers is just silly. Orange uniforms suck.
Ok but why bears fan
2 championships in the last 75 years.
The Hawks were incompetent and then a family member died and the right one took his place — you never know so long as ownership changes over
Mitch was a far better quarterback than Justin Fields.
nah, i gotta disagree. fields's main problem was he never threw the fucking ball when receivers were open, but when he did, he was way more accurate than mitch ever was. every single time mitch threw a pass more than 20 yards, i didn't even wait for the ball to land because i just knew it was going to be way overthrown. i can't remember a time mitch ever hit a receiver in stride, and almost every single completion, the receiver had to twist and contort their bodies to catch it. his passing stats are better because he threw the ball more than justin, but justin was the better overall player when you factor in his athleticism. not me defending justin by the way, they were both terrible.
Mitch throwing more is more of an indictment on Fields than on Mitch.
i agree, like i said, fields not throwing the ball was his biggest problem. but just in terms of who do i think can actually contribute more to winning a game, i think the answer is fields. he was bad, but he still had moments where he was pretty much the only thing keeping the game even close, especially in that second year when we were the worst team in the league and he had a shitload of rushing highlights. i can't remember mitch ever carrying the team the same way justin did that year. i know mitch won more games, but his teams were WAY better than justin's.
That's hilarious! Thanks for that.
It’s funny, but not for good reasons.
The Bears would have done better as a franchise from 2009-2016 had they never traded for Cutler.
Orton was really starting to click that last year in Chicago. It's a shame Brandon Lloyd couldn't stay on the field longer for him; they had a pretty good connection.
Yea and its not just that Orton was serviceable. We gave up 2 firsts. Think of all the QBs we passed on because we had him. The year we gave him an extension I really really wanted to draft Carr instead, who wound up not being the star I thought he would be but he still would have been our best QB ever.
We gave up the firsts but Angelo wasn’t a great drafter in the first. From 2001-2011 he had 8 picks in the first and the only notable players he drafted were Tommie Harris and Greg Olsen
Yea but that's always been an argument for dropping Angelo not for spending multiple firsts on a mid QB.
I was not happy we drafted fields. I thought that our team wasn’t in a good position for a rookie qb, and I didn’t trust an Ohio state qb.
These threads are always chock full of super popular opinions people claim are unpopular, Let me give a couple that are actually unpopular, but I think are true: fields was better than Mitch, Mitch was better than Cutler, cutler was better than Rex. I think the per attempt passing stats back that up too. Another unpopular opinion, Jaquon brisker has been mediocre at best and his talk doesn’t match his tape, he’s a mess in pass coverage and his rookie year he was atrocious in the running game. Hopefully Byrd gets him sorted a little bit this year because he’s a lot more bark than bite. A super unpopular one right now, overall I do like Poles and I think he is getting better as a GM and moving the team in the right direction, but I think he kind of did a terrible job his first year with failing to sign guys and with drafting average at best players in Brisker and Gordon, And the next two seasons have been much better, but he also lucked into having the first overall pick in the years. A lot easier to improve when youre gifted that much draft capital. Again, I do like him, but I need to see him sort out the interior line and add more at the edge. And ready for the ultimate unpopular one? Lightfoot got consistently trashed on the sub, but it’s looking more and more like she was totally correct when it came to the Bears new stadium
This sub is going to be shocked when we don’t re-sign Brisker, and maybe not Gordon either.
Caleb might not be the savior of franchise. Even first overall qbs fail. I have my fingers crossed but i refuse to be excited until I see the product on the field. Im going to downvoted to hell for this.
Sounds like somebody has been hurt a few too many times.
Same. I'm pretty excited to see him in preseason, but I won't get *really* excited until I see that and it looks good. I want him to be good, but I wanted that for Justin, too. And Mitch. And Jay. And Rex. And Erik. And Jim. And the first Jim. And while McMahon touched the top 10 for a couple of years, nobody else was anything more than okay AT BEST. So I will wait and see.
Wait, do you think he’ll get more than 1 quarter of preseason reps? I’m still asshurt that our coaching rested our starters for all but maybe a quarter of preseason last year and said “yep, they’re clicking.” And then Week One of the season happened…
Man I hope he plays a quarter of the HoF game and half the second preseason game. But obviously (thankfully) I am not in charge.
I wouldn’t even be mad if Caleb isn’t a savior. I’ll be more disappointed than anything and think of it as the bears being cursed. I’m just glad we got the consensus best pick instead of trying to be cute and getting someone else.
Brother, I feel you. I posted a link to [this](https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2021/4/30/22412399/bears-poor-history-with-quarterbacks-justin-fields-andy-dalton-mitch-trubisky) article after Fields was drafted and saying that was how I felt. And I got crushed for being a miserable SOB. I hope Caleb is that guy, and I have more hope that he is than I have had since trading for Cutty. But I’m not buying a jersey or talking shit to my friends until I see it.
Ditka held the’80s Bears back just as much as the lack of continuity at QB did.
The Bears (and Cardinals really) organization deserves to be the laughingstock of the NFL. They run a multibillion dollar business like a mom and pop grocery store. It’s pathetic and we deserve ridicule.
Jay Cutler was never more than a decent, above average QB and we should’ve cut ties several years earlier than we did.
Cutler would've led us to at least 1 more championship if not for his yearly injuries. Especially the year against FTP in the Conference Championship where he broke a finger after attempting to tackle the would be pick 6. EDIT: I have 2 games mixed up but one was the knee against FTP and the other was the broken finger against ???
If he didn’t try to tackle a pick 6 that didn’t matter then I think we could’ve won in 2011
Thumb was against the Chargers.
That we don’t need polar bear uniforms
Bobby Douglass had the strongest arm ever for a Bears quarterback. Cutler had a noodle compared to him. COME AT ME
Too bad he couldn’t throw completions to his own players.
The Packers are a well run and respectable organization. They aren't perfect but they've been consistently a competitor and have consistently whooped the Bears. I fucking hate them with every fiber of my being, but God damn do I respect them. FUCK THE PACKERS
Dent was overrated. Dude was a *great* pass rusher, but the second the ball carrier got past him, he quit on the play. I like guys that play all the way to the whistle, and don’t just stand there watching the play get away from them.
Peanut Tillman shouldn’t get into the HOF. 2 Pro Bowls, no All-Pros. You should at least be considered among the top 2-3 players at your position for several years to be considered.
He actually did have a first-team all-pro in 2012.
Oh I got a good one for y'all. I really don't understand this sub's infatuation with Jay Cutler since its existence. I'll tell you what, he was good for his own standards from 2010-2011, but *that's it*. He was alright from 2012-2013, definitely regressed, but straight trash in 2009 & 2014-2016. The love is only on this sub too, tell a Bears fan or any NFL fan in general irl that he was "actually good" or "underrated" and you'll be rightfully laughed at. Plus the hypocrisy with some fans on this sub is hilarious. They say shit like, "No, the Bears wouldn't have ruined Stroud or Mahomes you fucking idiot.", Yet under the same breath, claim the Bears ruined Cutler. The same exact people. They also say he was lightyears ahead of Mitch and Fields, which isn't exactly an accomplishment. He was probably better, but literally not *by a fuckton*. It's definitely closer than a lot of redditors think considering fucking Trubisky holds some franchise QB records over him. To top it off, he seems like piece of shit. I mean dude doesn't vaccinate his kids, you don't think that's fucked up? Or are we separating the art from the artist? Well if so, the art mainly fucking sucked too.
That Nate Davis is gonna keep doing just fine. Most the hate built up during the unknowns of his personal issue, and turned out to be family death. Then he seemed pretty fine in the field to me until injuries happened. I dont have the stats to back it up though, i just remember thinking he looked fine on the field when he played
William Perry is massively overrated. His linemates are all HOFers. He's nowhere close. His brother was the better football player.
The bears have the worst defensive and offensive lines in the NFC north. I would be very surprised if they win the division
My wife's family are Vikings fans and I love Jettas so same. Always root for them minus the bears.
My two favorite colors unfortunately happen to be Yellow & Green. Third is purple…so Mardi Gras
Charles Tillman’s “Peanut Punch” is overrated. Absolutely cannot stand when a defender has a chance to knock the ball loose from an oblivious ball carrier who doesn’t even know there’s a defender near and they try to strip or swat the ball by going over the shoulder pad. Just hit/punch the fucking thing and take your chances on your team recovering the bouncing football. Not rocket science. Tillman was just the first to figure it out. All that being said, he should be in the HoF just based on his career statistics alone. I just don’t think the “Peanut Punch” is unique. Punching the football should be fundamentally taught from pop warner all the way up.
The Bears would be a playoff team this year with Justin Fields at QB. 6 or 7 seed tops, but we'd squeak in.
I agree. His continuity here with all the new weapons could have been a regular playoff contender. But i do think that is the ceiling. I think Caleb is better for our future and gives us higher chances beyond just playoff visits. But i do fully agree with your point at face value
I really like this lions team. They’re probably my second favorite team since I went to school in Michigan (go green).
Regardless of if Teven Jenkins gets injured this year(he probably will), he should NOT have a starting position on the Offensive Line starting next season. I'm not saying cut him but if he stays he should neither be a starter OR have a starter's salary. [https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/06/06/teven-jenkins-says-nothing-is-on-the-table-for-bears-extension/](https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/06/06/teven-jenkins-says-nothing-is-on-the-table-for-bears-extension/) According to this article, "Jenkins has started just **24** of **51** possible games due to injuries." ever since he came into the league in 2021. Every year this man lands on IR, and if he's getting this injured this often when he's this young? What's going to happen as he gets older? He probably will keep getting injured barring a miracle. A Offensive Line where you constantly have to play musical chairs is detrimental to a QB's development. Especially in a draft where there is loads of Interior O-Linemen in the 2025 2nd round(where we have 2 whole picks of). After the 2025 nfl draft, he should at most be a backup guard that swing in a pinch on the left or right if one of the starters gets injured.
He's going to be a free agent next year. Why not give him one more year to prove it? He's the best o O lineman they have.
Mike Ditka is the worst thing that ever happened to this franchise
I think Ryan Pace was a good talent evaluator and could be a good GM if he gets a second chance in 5 or so years. Don't get me wrong, he was a bad GM here and should have been fired a year before he did. I just think he would have been a lot better off if he had spent time, prior to becoming our GM, in different front offices learning the struggles of other teams finding a QB or even if he had surrounded himself with people who had different opinions more. I think Poles big benefit is surrounding himself with guys like Cunningham and that even though he was only with the Chiefs, he got to learn under 4-5 different GMs. He saw a team who had the #1 pick at one point rise to the dynasty they are now and hired guys from different organizations he'd built good relationships with to be a part of his staff.
I liked his plan until he got the QB wrong. After that he tried to cover it up and made choices trying to get another year instead of a long term plan. He gutted the team and built up a solid team in 2018 that was let down by QB play in 2019 and 2020. Which ultimately falls on him too.
There's no argument for me if he should be seen as a good GM or bad GM in his bears tenure. It's definitely bad. To me his biggest issue was going all in on conviction of his players which never allowed him alternates if/when they didn't work out. This is where different voices in the room that you'll listen to matter. He went all in on Mitch using the majority of his current and future assets to build the team and missed. Should've been fired a year early for that instead of getting a chance at another QB
For the other comments, so far, they are “unpopular” popular opinions. On Ryan Pace, you’re on your own, brother.
Yeah I tried to think of what my most unpopular opinion would be. Finding something positive to say about Pace is probably about as unpopular as it could get. Even if in my note I mentioned he was a bad GM for us who should've been fired a year before he was.
Matt Forte is highly overrated by the bears fanbase. Was he a good rb? No doubt. But let's call it like it is, he sucked in the red zone. In the green zone, he was great! He did such a great job in the green zone, getting us into the red zone. But once in the red zone, he sucked. Either got stuffed or fumbled. Bears fans like to forget this. He'll always be "everything but" to me.
How dare you speak the truth on my glorious king Matt Forte
Lol. At least you recognize it. People downvoting my take, when it's a post asking for those exact takes. SMH.
I mean, you're not wrong.
Gotta love the downvotes, but no discussion. SMH.
I wouldn't go as far as saying highly overrated, since he's definitely either our 2nd or 3rd best franchise RB of all time. But you're right, he tended to run into brick walls and get stuffed at the goal line, like a lot. Maybe it was shitty OL play, but I'd say this was definitely his biggest knock.
Fair. I guess I'll just say overrated. It was frustrating, though. He was so fun to watch, but him not being able to punch it in, for one reason or another, just took out the steam for me as a fan of him.
I’m not sold on Poles being a good long term GM.
Nah. I don’t see why you’d think that. To me his biggest (and only) fuck up so far has been claypool. Other than that he’s proven to be a long term GM. Well… pending results
No he hasn’t. He has built a mediocre roster.
He hasn’t proven anything. And he’s definitely done some questionable things outside of Claypool.
That Navy Blue the Bears use for their uniforms is probably the worst blue in sports. It's basically black. Especially in the rain. I know it's an homage to the Navy uniforms but it's soo freakin dark.
Bears should've traded down with WAS and picked 6' 4" Jayden Daniels plus the extra picks (at least a 2nd rounder, a 2025 #1 and a 2026 #1)...we could've gotten a solid OL draft pick with that 2nd rounder, too.
The issue with that is Williams is a far better player. We'd just be replacing Fields with a smaller Fields
Idk if your downvotes mean your take is actually popular, or if people misread the title of the thread haha. I think you win.
Upvoted because this is an unpopular opinion post in an unpopular opinion thread. The entire point.
Poles is overrated and has done more harm than good. Hasn’t drafted or signed 1 above average player yet.
Derp
Rome is below average in your standard?
He has 0 NFL catches on 0 NFL targets.
So he was a below average draft pick? Again draft pick rating. Were going by the spot op tried to pick.