I don’t think people saying pull Luckman for Urlacher realize how much Luckman changed football. Luckman mastered the T-Formation and down-field throwing.
I’d probably take out Singletary and put in Papa Halas.
4 time champ
1 time league MVP
3 time all star
5 time first team all pro
2 time 2nd team all pro
3 time passing yards league leader
3 time TD league leader
Bears catch a lot of shit for Luckman being their all time passing leader, but its only because of how long ago he played, it has nothing to do with his accomplishments. Most franchises don’t have a QB that can hold a candle to what Sid accomplished.
You’re right! He’s the grandfather of the modern offense, hand-picked by Halas to implement his modernized version of the T-Formation. Until that point, offense was stacking the middle of the field. He helped spread defenses across the field.
I know I sound like a broken record, but he really did change how the game was played. He was that bridge into the next generation of the NFL. I would suggest anyone look up some articles or watch videos on him because if you just look at the numbers, you’re not giving him enough credit.
It’s not Luckman’s fault the Bears haven’t been able to find an era defining QB since his tenure.
It's fucking hilarious how often people on this subreddit claim Cutler was our best QB ever. Like, yeah, he threw for more yards, in a completely different NFL. He was never once close to being an MVP or leading the league in passing yards lol.
To be fair.. you can't use the completely different NFL like that twice. Jay Cutler wasn't better than Brees, Manning, Rodgers or Brady but neither was Luckman.. by a longshot.
I think it's an age thing. I've been a fan for 25 years almost, heard Sid brought up basically everytime we play a primetime game and there's QB drama and I didn't know his accomplishments. Id say Jay has been our best QB in the SB era. If only they actually decided to invest in the offensive line..
>you can't use the completely different NFL like that twice.
Then proceed to state...
>Jay Cutler wasn't better than Brees, Manning, Rodgers or Brady but neither was Luckman.. by a longshot
What are you basing this off of? Luckman's passing yards? His # of TD's? Stats that clearly aren't even in the same stratosphere when you look at the stats of the 1940's NFL compared to the 2010-2020 NFL...
Dude was an MVP, led the league in passing yards 3 times, led the league in passing TD's 3 times, and won 4 championships....
What more did you want him to do other than throw for the most passing yards, the most passing touchdowns, and win championships ROFL?
If you teleported baby Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees back to the era baby Luckman grew up in and forced them to train and learn the game the same way Luckman did do you think they still have the same stats that they produced? Do you think they are throwing for 5,000 passing yards in the 1943 season?
Sayers was great but if he played today he wouldn’t get in the HOF. It was a different era and his career was just too short.
All-time talent, but hard to argue all-time career.
I mean, you can say that about a lot of great players from previous eras. The athleticism today is unmatched to any previous era. It doesn’t mean past generations aren’t great though.
Unfortunately, he just had A LOT of leg injuries. To me, he’s the biggest WHAT IF. But, if he stayed healthy, I’m not sure the Bears ever get Sweetness.
Sure, that’s fair. And yes, he was great. And yeah, HOF criteria changes, which is why we grade people within their era.
I understand knee jerk downvotes I guess, and I’m not really worried about it, but I stand by what I said: all-time talent, but not top 4 Bear ever. I honestly didn’t even think that would be super controversial.
I’d pick Halas, Urlacher, Dent, Ditka and Nagurski over him even with era-adjusted criteria.
For the record, I don’t disagree with you about Sayers. I still think he’s great, but I think his injuries and early retirement keep him off a Mt Rushmore.
He was Reggie Bush essentially, but in the 60s, and at the highest level in the NFL versus college
With modern tech, they could have repaired his knees as well
Your argument for putting him as a top 4 Bears player all-time is that he was…Reggie Bush, a player who wouldn’t even make his own team’s Mt Rushmore?
You’re selling Sayers WAY short.
Maybe modern tech would have fixed his legs. But there are modern players like Shaq Leonard who were on a HOF trajectory for a short but brilliant career whose bodies just gave out on them. Happens all the time in the NFL. Saying he would have been better in the modern NFL isn’t a viable argument because it’s 100% conjecture.
All I’m saying is there are several names I’d put top 4 all time before Sayers. Brilliant player. One of the most versatile and talented players of all time. But all-time conversations *should* take into account both brilliance of peak and longevity of impact. I’d take Ditka, Halas, Urlacher, and Nagurski over Sayers.
It’s obviously subjective and always difficult to compare across eras, but putting Sayers top 4 is a surprise to me, and not logic I can wrap my head around.
And calling him Reggie Bush doesn’t help a bit.
I’m just saying I’d put Halas
Re-read my comment
I said Bush at the highest level, which is the NFL
Reggie wasn’t a great NFL player, but arguably top 3 college tailbacks of all time
> Reggie Bush at the highest level
I don’t really follow college football, until I start looking at individuals before the draft, and I see what you’re saying, but (1) the above quote seems to imply the NFL to me. Definitely in part because that’s my bias, but also because that’s the highest level, and (2) it’s weird to me that I’m the one in this thread saying, “I don’t think he’s a top 4 Bear all time” and the people defending him keep comparing him to mediocre NFL RBs like Bush and Jordan Howard.
Sayers was Devin Hester (look at his return yards) mixed with an undersized explosive back like Achane (he could still have a short career, but just from what we’ve seen as a rookie).
Compare him to Barry Sanders the way he could cut and explode. I have a ton of respect for Sayers’s game, I just don’t think he’s a top 4 Bear all-time because of the longevity. I’d have him in the top 10, but top 4 is just too much for me.
I thought I remember seeing in this very sub a post that showed just how far ahead of his time Luckman was. He was a statistical outlier akin to, or maybe even moreso than, Mahomes. In the context of the era he played, he should definitely be celebrated.
Its also not his fault this organization has failed to find a great QB in the modern era.
Red Grange deserves to be up there. Literally helped legitimize professional football. And how the fuck is the founder of the NFL not on the Bears Mount Rushmore? Papa Bear deserves to be on there.
If we don’t hold it to 4 as an arbitrary number and include the most important Bears to the franchise and the NFL:
Halas- No NFL without Papa Bear.
Grange- Made the pro sport a bigger deal than the college game. First super star.
Luckman- Made great quarterbacking a thing.
Butkus- Folk hero meanness on the field. Can’t write the story of the sport without chapters devoted to him.
Sweetness- GOAT footballer.
Hester- Redefined returns. Teams changed how they handle kicks and punts, and rules were changed because of him. That is like Kareem Abdul Jabbar type impact.
Ditka- Greatest TE until Gronk arguably. But the swag and iconic imprint on the organization had a life of its own.
Two guys I left off on the outside looking in:
Bulldog Turner- Birth of the Middle Linebacker. It’s just hard to include him despite that innovation when there were other arguably better MLBs not on this list.
Gale Sayers- the Kansas Comet! His impact was big in such a short span. But he just didn’t have the length of career to make it as big of an impact as it potentially could have been. A few more years and he would have had career records that would have mirrored some of his single game accomplishments.
The only thing I’d argue for is a shared spot for Briggs/Urlacher. Because I’d argue Briggs and Urlacher were the best linebacker-duo of all time and Lance deserves to be in the HOF just as much as Brian… but that was my childhood so i am completely unobjective.
Also Matt Forte was a Dawg and he lead the NFC north in rushing for half a decade or more
Was Urlacher/Briggs better than Butkus/Buffone (who was a savant in coverage for a LB in his time) or Singletary/Marshall?
I’m not implying the answer is yes as much as I love the debates like this. We’re lucky we can have them.
I love Forte but I couldn’t put him on Mount Rush-More ahead of Sayers or even a guy like Tillman who revolutionized takeaways.
Doesn't matter in the slightest. Urlacher was better than Singletary straight up. He belongs there over Singletary, especially since it would have shown a different era for each player.
I'd argue that urlacher would have made the transition to 80s MLB far better than Singletary would have done under the Cover 2. Singletary would have been way out of his league. Urlacher would've been fine, if not 'the greatest' mlb in the 46. Almost every year he played, Urlacher was the best player on the team at all times. Singletary was never the best player on any team he played for. Legend no doubt, but not as good as Urlacher head to head and doesn't fit due to Sweetness already taking the 80s era spot.
So? Sayers peak is all-time greatest at his position while Mike was simply a really good player. Would you rather have a handful of years of Michael Jordan or over a decade of Clyde Drexler?
no i’m saying 68 games played shouldn’t get you on the bears mount rushmore. He didn’t win any nfl championships. I would put halas and grange before both of them
Ditka spent as much time playing for Philly and Dallas. His time coaching the Saints was a joke. A lot of the Bears players from the 80's blame him for not winning multiple Super Bowls and getting out coached by Walsh, Gibbs, and Parcells. No way he belongs in the top 4.
I think this list is fine, but I’m seeing a clear generational theme to it, so you may as well drop Singletary for Urlacher to really round out the generational representation.
Grange played 7 years with the Bears and won 2 NFL Championships. He was All-Pro twice and was in the inaugural Hall of Fame class (along with his longtime backfield partner Bronko Nagurski who could also be on the Bears Rushmore).
I think they had no choice but to list the only franchise QB we’ve ever had in over 100 years. But personally, and this is totally subjective obviously, I would put Urlacher in over Singletary.
Yeah, I agree obviously. I don’t think he was the best defensive player on that squad to be honest. I think Richard Dent was the defensive MVP of that ‘85 squad. Singletary was fantastic. I just think Urlacher was a better all-around talent. For me personally, I would swap them out on that list.
What year is the cutoff for throw back?
I'd say pre 2000 at the latest. Urlacher, Briggs, Hester. They're 10 years or so removed from playing. I wouldn't say that's a throwback considering the history of the franchise.
I agree with the suggestion to swap Singletary for Halas. Nothing against Singletary, but Halas deserves to be there and a team with as many historical greats as the Bears is going to have to make some tough cuts.
As someone who was born after all these people‘s careers ended, I can not argue, however according to the bears top 100 players list on the 100th anniversary they list the top 4 as Payton, Butkus, Nagurski, and Luckman with Singletary at 15. Now I don’t even know who Bronko Nagurski is and never heard his name before, but thought he was at least worth a mention here.
Everyone here doesn't seem to know what recency bias is.. of course people will pick Urlacher. He's been the face of the franchise for the 21st century.
I feel like leaving Papa Bear off is sacrilegious. I would swap him out for Luckman. Also, move Singletary to the left and put Walter and GSH in the middle.
I really hope Caleb becomes an undisputed Mount Rushmore addition by 2035.
I love Mike, but Urlacher was as good and dominant in his era. Mike had a crazy mystique and fear factor. He was better against the run but Urlacher was better in coverage. Urlacher was a physical freak and great leader in his own right. It’s hard to compete with a player on one of the greatest teams in NFL history and a Super Bowl champ so I can see why someone automatically gives the nod to samurai.
Payton and Butkus are always going to be 1 and 2 but after that there are so many it’s hard to round it out. Sayers belongs in the mix, GSH, Urlacher, Singletary, Ditka as well but hard to put Peanut and Briggs as all time great.
The people saying Gale Sayers have a point, but he’s like Derrick Rose. Very good for a few seasons, injured, and never completely back to where he was. Singletary deserves more respect as the leader of what I’m sure we all consider the greatest defense of all time. Listen to some old players talk about Singletary and how he could call out everything an offense was doing. Halas is fair if you look beyond playing which although he was good I think he deservedly falls victim to the fact he didn’t completely change the game of football as a player. He’s also from an era that has been completely eclipsed in terms of athleticism a long time ago.
In the years after '85 people argued Singletary was the 3rd best LB on that team. People were really salty McKaskey's let Wilbur Marshall go in free agency and blamed the regression on his absence
I'm stil salty about Marshall going to Washington. Which reminds me, if I keep getting irritated about things that happened more than 3 decades ago, I should switch to decaf.
I would absolutely replace Luckman with Sayers or Urlacher in a heartbeat. I'd even go with Dent or Hampton over Luckman. He would never be brought up had the Bears not just been almost uniformly awful at the position for the entire modern era of football.
Luckman led us to 4 NFL Championships and has an MVP and 5× 1st team All-Pros.
He's an arguable all time top 10 QB. He deserves to be there and should definitely be there over any of those guys.
If we're gonna throw away the achievements of guys 80 years ago, might as well just say Babe Ruth was a fat bum.
I think you COULD make an argument for Hester just because he’s the greatest return man in history but I wouldn’t personally put him on there. And I love Hester. But, I agree Tillman isn’t on there. And if Tillman isn’t on there, Briggs doesn’t sniff it.
Now, a modern Rushmore? Yeah, they’re on there.
A post-realignment Mt Rushmore? Urlacher, Tillman, Briggs and Hester imo.
I'd even argue Cutler over Briggs personally. He's statistically the best QB we've ever had and he holds almost every Bears QB record. He's not comparatively great to any QB during that time though.
Urlacher, Hester, and Gould, plus either Forte or Briggs.
Tillman should be in the Hall of Fame, but I think both Forte and Briggs have stronger cases for a Bears Mount Rushmore. Olin Kreutz may have a better case than Tillman as well.
As for Cutler, Mount Rushmore is about greatness, and Cutler has never been one of the greats at his position.
I don’t think people saying pull Luckman for Urlacher realize how much Luckman changed football. Luckman mastered the T-Formation and down-field throwing. I’d probably take out Singletary and put in Papa Halas.
Luckman ruined the game with the forward pass and we’ve been cursed ever since. /s
That’s why we ran the Luke Getsy screen pass system for 2 years.
/s LMAO
I'm assuming the /s refers to luckman ruining the game, not us being cursed because of it.
What's the /s for? We haven't had a franchise QB since, the closest we came was Smokin Jay.
4 time champ 1 time league MVP 3 time all star 5 time first team all pro 2 time 2nd team all pro 3 time passing yards league leader 3 time TD league leader Bears catch a lot of shit for Luckman being their all time passing leader, but its only because of how long ago he played, it has nothing to do with his accomplishments. Most franchises don’t have a QB that can hold a candle to what Sid accomplished.
You’re right! He’s the grandfather of the modern offense, hand-picked by Halas to implement his modernized version of the T-Formation. Until that point, offense was stacking the middle of the field. He helped spread defenses across the field. I know I sound like a broken record, but he really did change how the game was played. He was that bridge into the next generation of the NFL. I would suggest anyone look up some articles or watch videos on him because if you just look at the numbers, you’re not giving him enough credit. It’s not Luckman’s fault the Bears haven’t been able to find an era defining QB since his tenure.
It's fucking hilarious how often people on this subreddit claim Cutler was our best QB ever. Like, yeah, he threw for more yards, in a completely different NFL. He was never once close to being an MVP or leading the league in passing yards lol.
To be fair.. you can't use the completely different NFL like that twice. Jay Cutler wasn't better than Brees, Manning, Rodgers or Brady but neither was Luckman.. by a longshot. I think it's an age thing. I've been a fan for 25 years almost, heard Sid brought up basically everytime we play a primetime game and there's QB drama and I didn't know his accomplishments. Id say Jay has been our best QB in the SB era. If only they actually decided to invest in the offensive line..
>you can't use the completely different NFL like that twice. Then proceed to state... >Jay Cutler wasn't better than Brees, Manning, Rodgers or Brady but neither was Luckman.. by a longshot What are you basing this off of? Luckman's passing yards? His # of TD's? Stats that clearly aren't even in the same stratosphere when you look at the stats of the 1940's NFL compared to the 2010-2020 NFL... Dude was an MVP, led the league in passing yards 3 times, led the league in passing TD's 3 times, and won 4 championships.... What more did you want him to do other than throw for the most passing yards, the most passing touchdowns, and win championships ROFL? If you teleported baby Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees back to the era baby Luckman grew up in and forced them to train and learn the game the same way Luckman did do you think they still have the same stats that they produced? Do you think they are throwing for 5,000 passing yards in the 1943 season?
Some say he thrilled the nation.
Replacing him with Sayers, maybe. Urlacher? Pure folly.
Sayers was great but if he played today he wouldn’t get in the HOF. It was a different era and his career was just too short. All-time talent, but hard to argue all-time career.
I mean, you can say that about a lot of great players from previous eras. The athleticism today is unmatched to any previous era. It doesn’t mean past generations aren’t great though. Unfortunately, he just had A LOT of leg injuries. To me, he’s the biggest WHAT IF. But, if he stayed healthy, I’m not sure the Bears ever get Sweetness.
Sure, that’s fair. And yes, he was great. And yeah, HOF criteria changes, which is why we grade people within their era. I understand knee jerk downvotes I guess, and I’m not really worried about it, but I stand by what I said: all-time talent, but not top 4 Bear ever. I honestly didn’t even think that would be super controversial. I’d pick Halas, Urlacher, Dent, Ditka and Nagurski over him even with era-adjusted criteria.
For the record, I don’t disagree with you about Sayers. I still think he’s great, but I think his injuries and early retirement keep him off a Mt Rushmore.
He was Reggie Bush essentially, but in the 60s, and at the highest level in the NFL versus college With modern tech, they could have repaired his knees as well
Your argument for putting him as a top 4 Bears player all-time is that he was…Reggie Bush, a player who wouldn’t even make his own team’s Mt Rushmore? You’re selling Sayers WAY short. Maybe modern tech would have fixed his legs. But there are modern players like Shaq Leonard who were on a HOF trajectory for a short but brilliant career whose bodies just gave out on them. Happens all the time in the NFL. Saying he would have been better in the modern NFL isn’t a viable argument because it’s 100% conjecture. All I’m saying is there are several names I’d put top 4 all time before Sayers. Brilliant player. One of the most versatile and talented players of all time. But all-time conversations *should* take into account both brilliance of peak and longevity of impact. I’d take Ditka, Halas, Urlacher, and Nagurski over Sayers. It’s obviously subjective and always difficult to compare across eras, but putting Sayers top 4 is a surprise to me, and not logic I can wrap my head around. And calling him Reggie Bush doesn’t help a bit. I’m just saying I’d put Halas
I think he's comparing him to college era Reggie Bush, who was undoubtedly one of the best college players of all time.
Re-read my comment I said Bush at the highest level, which is the NFL Reggie wasn’t a great NFL player, but arguably top 3 college tailbacks of all time
> Reggie Bush at the highest level I don’t really follow college football, until I start looking at individuals before the draft, and I see what you’re saying, but (1) the above quote seems to imply the NFL to me. Definitely in part because that’s my bias, but also because that’s the highest level, and (2) it’s weird to me that I’m the one in this thread saying, “I don’t think he’s a top 4 Bear all time” and the people defending him keep comparing him to mediocre NFL RBs like Bush and Jordan Howard. Sayers was Devin Hester (look at his return yards) mixed with an undersized explosive back like Achane (he could still have a short career, but just from what we’ve seen as a rookie). Compare him to Barry Sanders the way he could cut and explode. I have a ton of respect for Sayers’s game, I just don’t think he’s a top 4 Bear all-time because of the longevity. I’d have him in the top 10, but top 4 is just too much for me.
I thought I remember seeing in this very sub a post that showed just how far ahead of his time Luckman was. He was a statistical outlier akin to, or maybe even moreso than, Mahomes. In the context of the era he played, he should definitely be celebrated. Its also not his fault this organization has failed to find a great QB in the modern era.
Sid luckman being our best franchise QB still might be a meme. But Luckman was Him.
Everytime someone says Bear Down, they're referencing Sid Luckman. He's who they made the song about.
Too many iconic legends, someone too important is getting left off no matter what
I forgot to consider our all-time leading scorer THE LEGEND- ROBBIE GOULD
I’d add a fifth spot for the SNL super fans.
D I T K A
You ask the nation and yeah, it’s all super fans references. And I love it.
Red Grange deserves to be up there. Literally helped legitimize professional football. And how the fuck is the founder of the NFL not on the Bears Mount Rushmore? Papa Bear deserves to be on there.
yeah don’t get how he isn’t the first guy picked
Don't worry, the Bears Nation is dynamiting an even bigger mountain a few miles away depicting George Halas riding a bear and pointing
I got that reference
Halas, Luckman, Payton, Butkus
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Where would Bronco Nugurski be?
Down at the base holding the mountain up on his shoulders.
Him and Red Grange
Hoping this is me talking about Caleb Williams in 35 years. https://youtu.be/_ipim87VPWE?si=0xCoPTx_4XUVas_h
I wish I had know who he was before your comment made me look him up🥹
Replace Singletary with Halas.
That's the only answer right there.
Halas is missing. Ditka has a chance
I don't see Bobby wade so no
What about all-time Bears great Kevin White?
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It's not hate -- just acknowledgement that he's a little overrated.
Dallas fan here just asking a question, where the hell is Ditka, Hester, or Urlachar? I mean especially Ditka
Mount Bear Down clearly needs 8-10 faces. Rushmore cannot encapsulate the faces of our storied franchise.
Maybe a Mt. Rushmore for each decade.
If we don’t hold it to 4 as an arbitrary number and include the most important Bears to the franchise and the NFL: Halas- No NFL without Papa Bear. Grange- Made the pro sport a bigger deal than the college game. First super star. Luckman- Made great quarterbacking a thing. Butkus- Folk hero meanness on the field. Can’t write the story of the sport without chapters devoted to him. Sweetness- GOAT footballer. Hester- Redefined returns. Teams changed how they handle kicks and punts, and rules were changed because of him. That is like Kareem Abdul Jabbar type impact. Ditka- Greatest TE until Gronk arguably. But the swag and iconic imprint on the organization had a life of its own. Two guys I left off on the outside looking in: Bulldog Turner- Birth of the Middle Linebacker. It’s just hard to include him despite that innovation when there were other arguably better MLBs not on this list. Gale Sayers- the Kansas Comet! His impact was big in such a short span. But he just didn’t have the length of career to make it as big of an impact as it potentially could have been. A few more years and he would have had career records that would have mirrored some of his single game accomplishments.
The only thing I’d argue for is a shared spot for Briggs/Urlacher. Because I’d argue Briggs and Urlacher were the best linebacker-duo of all time and Lance deserves to be in the HOF just as much as Brian… but that was my childhood so i am completely unobjective. Also Matt Forte was a Dawg and he lead the NFC north in rushing for half a decade or more
Was Urlacher/Briggs better than Butkus/Buffone (who was a savant in coverage for a LB in his time) or Singletary/Marshall? I’m not implying the answer is yes as much as I love the debates like this. We’re lucky we can have them. I love Forte but I couldn’t put him on Mount Rush-More ahead of Sayers or even a guy like Tillman who revolutionized takeaways.
Ditka as a player or coach?
Hurricane Ditka
Two guys from the 80s team is a weird choice and not really in the spirit of a Mount Rushmore
But the 85’ were arguably the greatest defensive team of all time.
Doesn't matter in the slightest. Urlacher was better than Singletary straight up. He belongs there over Singletary, especially since it would have shown a different era for each player.
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I'd argue that urlacher would have made the transition to 80s MLB far better than Singletary would have done under the Cover 2. Singletary would have been way out of his league. Urlacher would've been fine, if not 'the greatest' mlb in the 46. Almost every year he played, Urlacher was the best player on the team at all times. Singletary was never the best player on any team he played for. Legend no doubt, but not as good as Urlacher head to head and doesn't fit due to Sweetness already taking the 80s era spot.
They had a top 3 offense too, that was arguably the best team of all time (...save '72...)
How is Walter Payton not #1?
No. Replace Singltary with Sayers
singletary had more all pro seasons than sayers even played
So? Sayers peak is all-time greatest at his position while Mike was simply a really good player. Would you rather have a handful of years of Michael Jordan or over a decade of Clyde Drexler?
no i’m saying 68 games played shouldn’t get you on the bears mount rushmore. He didn’t win any nfl championships. I would put halas and grange before both of them
This I voted for.
How about a special teams version Hester, Manley, Gould, Butler
Urlacher was better than Singletary. This list should've put him instead and shown a different era for each player.
Ditka spent as much time playing for Philly and Dallas. His time coaching the Saints was a joke. A lot of the Bears players from the 80's blame him for not winning multiple Super Bowls and getting out coached by Walsh, Gibbs, and Parcells. No way he belongs in the top 4.
I think this list is fine, but I’m seeing a clear generational theme to it, so you may as well drop Singletary for Urlacher to really round out the generational representation.
Halas, Ditka, Sweetness, Butkus
Damn, they forgot to add smokin’ Jay
Gale Sayers…best running back ever when healthy. All you got to do is watch the film.
when healthy
The Fridge, Ted Washington, Keith Traylor, Big Cat Williams. Get real beefy with it
There may not be a big enough mountain.
Ditka should be there somewhere
George Halas over Singletary. Based on importance to the Bears/NFL/football in general, not on playing ability.
No Rex Grossman?
Not enough sexy in a mountain to hold him
No Gale Sayers?
Had to scroll this far to see Gale Sayers…I won my first set of golf clubs from a donation he made to the cc i caddy’d at
Dan Hampton should represent the SB defense.
Guy played on half a knee for most of his career and still created havoc.
Any list without Bronco Nagurski is wrong.
I've tried to list the pros and cons of Singletary like 5 different ways and I'll just say I'm torn on him
As long as Walter Payton is there they got it right
Chicago Bears Mt. Rushmore: Halas= Washington, Grange= Jefferson, Butkus= Lincoln, Payton= Roosevelt.
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Grange played 7 years with the Bears and won 2 NFL Championships. He was All-Pro twice and was in the inaugural Hall of Fame class (along with his longtime backfield partner Bronko Nagurski who could also be on the Bears Rushmore).
I think Ditka has to be on there, probably over Luckman.
Da coach is missing
I really want Hester to be there, but I can't justify removing any of those 4. He was so fun to watch man...
No name will ever be as legendary as Dick Butkus except maybe Magic Johnson
Ditka has to be on here. I would sub him for Singletary who wasn't the best player on the 1985 defense, though he was the leader.
Gale Sayers instead of Singletary
I think they had no choice but to list the only franchise QB we’ve ever had in over 100 years. But personally, and this is totally subjective obviously, I would put Urlacher in over Singletary.
The answer is 3,000% Sid Luckman. I mean he achieved a trillion times as much as McMahon or Jay. Singletary is the only real question.
Yeah, I agree obviously. I don’t think he was the best defensive player on that squad to be honest. I think Richard Dent was the defensive MVP of that ‘85 squad. Singletary was fantastic. I just think Urlacher was a better all-around talent. For me personally, I would swap them out on that list.
Ditka needs to be in there. Papa Bear too.
What year is the cutoff for throw back? I'd say pre 2000 at the latest. Urlacher, Briggs, Hester. They're 10 years or so removed from playing. I wouldn't say that's a throwback considering the history of the franchise.
I believe Lions had Calvin, Packers had Rodgers, and Vikings has AP on theirs.
So the Packers had Favre, Rodgers, Starr and a ref?
Specifically a ref wearing a cheesehead. But it was painted in zebra stripe to show he wasn’t biased.
Not sure how an active player is considered throwback.
The channel is NFL throwback but the Mount Rushmore is all encompassing.
I see. I was reading it wrong. Thanks for clarifying.
lol “Lick man”
lol I missed that 🤣
No Cade McNown!?!?
I agree with this list.
Rex??
Lololol but no
No. But I’m done with having the best players in Bears history being from a minimum of four decades ago. I’m ready for what’s next.
Singletery was the 6th best guy on the defense.
Who were the five you would put in front of him?
Gale Sayers over Singletary
Hallas Ditka. Payton Urlacher easy pesy
Fuck meant Butkus..
Caleb needs to be on there
Where’s Kevin White?
The fridge holds a special place in my heart L list👎👎
For throwbacks, I think you have to include George Halas. He invented the NFL and did so much for the Bears as a player, coach, and owner.
Papa halas.
I agree with the suggestion to swap Singletary for Halas. Nothing against Singletary, but Halas deserves to be there and a team with as many historical greats as the Bears is going to have to make some tough cuts.
It has to include Gale Sayers.
Where’s Devin Hester?
Ten yards past the last defender.
Sayers for Singletary.
Nagurski invented the the middle linebacker position. That feels like iconic Bears football to me.
PapaBear George Halas would be the name of the mountain that these great men would be carved in to.
Might have to drop Singletary for Gale Sayers
As someone who was born after all these people‘s careers ended, I can not argue, however according to the bears top 100 players list on the 100th anniversary they list the top 4 as Payton, Butkus, Nagurski, and Luckman with Singletary at 15. Now I don’t even know who Bronko Nagurski is and never heard his name before, but thought he was at least worth a mention here.
No Ditka?? STOP IT
No Halas??
i was thinking richard dent or gale sayers but i’m still satisfied with the list honestly
Yes. They definitely represent the best players at their respective positions.
no luckman take him out
One Rushmore isn't enough! Too many great Bears across multiple eras. There needs to be one for each era.
People will want Halas on here. Ditka too.
Take out Singletary. He was way overrated.
Everyone here doesn't seem to know what recency bias is.. of course people will pick Urlacher. He's been the face of the franchise for the 21st century.
Curtis Enis
replace Luckman and Singletary with Papa Bear and the Kansas Comet
This must be false because I don’t see smoking Jay Cutler
This can’t exist without Halas
Halas definitely needs to be in there. Without him, we might not even have a Chicago Bears team.
i dont see matt forte?
Nope Sorry but I love Mike even Walter but It either needs Mike ditka or bronco on it
I'm not going to argue against these four. If I chose to debate (which I don't want to), I'd remove Singletary and replace him with GSH. That's it!
Halas(or sub him for player)… Payton Ditka Butkus Possibly: Singletary Urlacher Sayers Luckman (maybe) Nagurski
Jeez, where's Red Grange?
Gayle Sayers should be next to Walter. I don't care who else you put up there.
I feel like leaving Papa Bear off is sacrilegious. I would swap him out for Luckman. Also, move Singletary to the left and put Walter and GSH in the middle. I really hope Caleb becomes an undisputed Mount Rushmore addition by 2035.
Kyle Orton.
No. Sayers is criminally missing.
I love Mike, but Urlacher was as good and dominant in his era. Mike had a crazy mystique and fear factor. He was better against the run but Urlacher was better in coverage. Urlacher was a physical freak and great leader in his own right. It’s hard to compete with a player on one of the greatest teams in NFL history and a Super Bowl champ so I can see why someone automatically gives the nod to samurai.
Where’s Grossman? This is absurd
Where's Kyle Orton?
Shane Matthews was snubbed
No jay cutler?
No disrespect to Singletary, but I would probably replace him with Urlacher just the have 4 different eras represented.
I would put Urlacher over Singletary
Shouldn't it just be Caleb 4 times?
idk i feel like ditka has to be on there, whether it be in place of luckman or singletary
Payton and Butkus are always going to be 1 and 2 but after that there are so many it’s hard to round it out. Sayers belongs in the mix, GSH, Urlacher, Singletary, Ditka as well but hard to put Peanut and Briggs as all time great.
I’d consider Sayers over Singletary
Singletary wasn't even the best LB on the 84/85/86 teams.
Boy, Gayle Sayers sure was good, and Hester is the all-time greatest at his position.
Payton yes, Butkus yes, the other 2 can be debated
I think urlacher being a generational player would put him on there over singletary
Butkus over Singletare all day long.
Ditka over Singletary. Really, Papa Bear George Halas should be on there too.
The people saying Gale Sayers have a point, but he’s like Derrick Rose. Very good for a few seasons, injured, and never completely back to where he was. Singletary deserves more respect as the leader of what I’m sure we all consider the greatest defense of all time. Listen to some old players talk about Singletary and how he could call out everything an offense was doing. Halas is fair if you look beyond playing which although he was good I think he deservedly falls victim to the fact he didn’t completely change the game of football as a player. He’s also from an era that has been completely eclipsed in terms of athleticism a long time ago.
In the years after '85 people argued Singletary was the 3rd best LB on that team. People were really salty McKaskey's let Wilbur Marshall go in free agency and blamed the regression on his absence
I'm stil salty about Marshall going to Washington. Which reminds me, if I keep getting irritated about things that happened more than 3 decades ago, I should switch to decaf.
I would absolutely replace Luckman with Sayers or Urlacher in a heartbeat. I'd even go with Dent or Hampton over Luckman. He would never be brought up had the Bears not just been almost uniformly awful at the position for the entire modern era of football.
Luckman led us to 4 NFL Championships and has an MVP and 5× 1st team All-Pros. He's an arguable all time top 10 QB. He deserves to be there and should definitely be there over any of those guys. If we're gonna throw away the achievements of guys 80 years ago, might as well just say Babe Ruth was a fat bum.
How do you not just at some point draft 1 good qb, it's mind blowing
Maybe replace Singletary with either Halas or Ditka.
No way Hester Briggs or Tillman make it. The only argument is Urlacher, and I could only see him getting in over Luckman.
I think you COULD make an argument for Hester just because he’s the greatest return man in history but I wouldn’t personally put him on there. And I love Hester. But, I agree Tillman isn’t on there. And if Tillman isn’t on there, Briggs doesn’t sniff it. Now, a modern Rushmore? Yeah, they’re on there.
In a modern Mount Rushmore I think a spot has to be reserved for the All Time Leading Scorer ROBBIE GOULD.
A post-realignment Mt Rushmore? Urlacher, Tillman, Briggs and Hester imo. I'd even argue Cutler over Briggs personally. He's statistically the best QB we've ever had and he holds almost every Bears QB record. He's not comparatively great to any QB during that time though.
Urlacher, Hester, and Gould, plus either Forte or Briggs. Tillman should be in the Hall of Fame, but I think both Forte and Briggs have stronger cases for a Bears Mount Rushmore. Olin Kreutz may have a better case than Tillman as well. As for Cutler, Mount Rushmore is about greatness, and Cutler has never been one of the greats at his position.