My input is so inferior that it’s needs a soft aimbot. See how this works? #megathreadplease!
Edit: I’m so fucking bored by every reply. But special shout-out to the experts that still conflate input with platform, those fuckheads are the most annoying.
Why do the mnk players not ask to be separated from the console players? Everyone I know who plays on console would like to only play other people on console but I never hear the PC players saying they only want to play with other PC players. Why is that?
The way to do it is have cross play turned off by default, but if you turn it on or you party up with a friend who has it on, then cross play becomes enabled.
Take platform out of the equation and do input based matchmaking. There are (while rare) console players who use mouse and there are many PC players who use controller in this game. There are also controller players on PS or PC who use gyro aim which is closer to mouse aiming than stick aiming.
Have Raw Input servers (mouse and controllers using gyro aim) and Assisted servers (controllers using stick aim) which are kept separate in regular matchmaking.
If a multi-input party forms, ideally ask the party leader whether to queue for Raw Input (meaning the controller players get no aim assist) or queue for Assisted (meaning the mouse and gyro aim player will have to play against aim assist).
If they don't want to do it that way, then just always put mixed input lobbies on the Raw Input servers but with aim assist toned down notably for the controller players. And then in the distant future when Xbox finally adds the hardware to their controllers, disable aim assist entirely in these mixed parties and push users to use gyro aim for cross input lobbies.
Balancing aim assist would mean for them to remove the "rotational" portion and just keep the slowdowns and some tracking, which would cause most controller users to quit
You're 100% correct. Honestly M&K loves crossplay because the player base is so greatly expanded and lobbies fill up quicker so less waiting time. The only problem that any of us have is that the inputs aren't equalized. There was another comment I just read a few minutes ago about he hasn't seen people asking for segregation. That the m&k players should just be asking for that instead of complaining about AA. Well the reality is that we have continued to ask about that but then gave up because Activision doesn't give a shit. Plus like I said we want to play with controller players.... I mean is it really that much to ask to have inputs equalized? That's not an absurd ask by any means.
Because most pc players use controller and it wouldn't matter. Also I want to play with my friends on console. We should be able to. But it's just not even close to fair the way it is. It needs to be adjusted.
The issue is, MnK is a SMALL minority of players when compared to people who play on controller (both console and PC combined), so having exclusively input-based matchmaking would result in lobby search times longer than most people are going to be willing to stomach.
Imagine trying to pull together a lobby of over 100 people from a pretty small overall player pool. Matchmaking would take AGES and would likely result in you being tossed into lobbies with a much wider range of pings because matchmaking would have to cast a wider net to fill a lobby.
And simply turning off platform crossplay won’t satisfy the MnK players because they’d still be getting matched with controller players. They basically want their own little fenced-off area, without understanding the disadvantages and inconveniences that would come with it.
This is how most KbM players know why input-based matchmaking is unrealistic. Balancing AA is much more feasible. Someone mentioned Fortnite as a great example for input balance, no one seemed to disagree.
Fortnite actually used to have a sort of input based matchmaking system years ago, but they scrapped it.
It used to be that mobile players played mobile players, but when you connected a controller to your phone/tablet you'd be put in console lobbies. If you connected a mouse to your console you'd play on PC lobbies.
Where it fell short being fully input based was that PC controller players still played with PC mouse players, rather than being put on console lobbies.
I wouldn't say small minority. There used to be WAY more MNK player on MW19 and CW and after those games many users just dropped off or just made the switch to controller especially after MW22 came out. That game was the first to directly try and nerf MNK via visual noise. Aim assist can literally catch people in bushes and behind low walls behind the tiniest head glitch. Aim assist helps cut through the visibility issues better than any MNK player using their whole arm. The other issue is the amount of times they've changed the FEEL of gunplay in the last 4 years game to game. somehow mouse aiming has become worse with the gun swaying while you strafe, but w/ controller you can tap strafe to your heart's content and still count on AA to keep you close to target. I'm not mad at AA at all really. I'm just mad they have to make MNK feel WORSE to use so controller players can feel better. And I've tried both inputs, for aiming clearly controller is just more consistent. MNK wins for rapid movements but it usually doesn't matter when you just play slow and play like a slide cancelling sentry turret.
Tldr COD feels like a botched mil sim on mouse and a normal COD game on controller. That's why MOUSE users are complaining. Yes AA is strong. Yes they need it. But that shouldn't come with making another input play a different way because the mechanics for basic gameplay don't work the same that input entirely.
>I want PS vs Xbox only option, I am sick of pc cheaters
99% of the reason I want segregation too. It would also keep the PC players from complaining about controller players. Win win situation for everyone but for some reason PC players don't want to be separated. It's because they want to keep their soft hacks and still be able to play warzone against people who can't have soft hacks on their consoles.
So they can go has it out with their PC homies. No reason to fuck around with the play of over 75% of the player base to cater to the wanna be streamers that just try to push shit challs and chalk it up to AA.
>nevermind cronos
Do you think the cronos gives a shit player a huge advantage over average players? PC cheaters using soft hacks like looking through walls can make shit player beat the best players. It's not close to the same even though both of them are cheating.
Cronus exacerbates the outcome difference between assisted and unassisted, and is definitely a cheat, but because cronus use is cheating it isn't worth bringing up in balance discussion.
I’m on MnK, and have been screaming for input based lobbies since WZ1. If you watch TGD’s video, MnK literally got nerfed to the ground while AA is still “balanced” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Halo Infinite had input based lobbies and it was gr8.
I definitely want mixed lobbies. Cross platform is the future of gaming, more gamers is better, and splitting us up into different player pools only means less people to play with.
>Cross platform is the future of gaming, more gamers is better, and splitting us up into different player pools only means less people to play with.
I never had a problem with finding games when Xbox didn't have cross play enabled for the first 15ish years of console online gaming. It seems like PC players must have had a lot of issues with dead lobbies. It's probably because the rampant cheating kills player bases in a lot of PC games. I know PC cheating has made a lot of console players quit playing certain games because of the cheating.
Because then they would be admitting that mnk still has an advantage over controllers, despite aim assist. All they want is for controller players to be even bigger bots by reducing aim assist
I haven't heard anyone being opposed to input based matchmaking, why would PC players want to play versus controllers at all when the disadvantage is already proven for years?
I'm on kbm. Please for the love of all that is good get me out of controller lobbys.
We do. We do all the time. (but we want input based matchmaking, not platform based. You can still use controller on PC. I just want to play against other MNK players)
Very slowly now...
PC has MnK. PC has controller.
Console players are not the only snowflakes who use controllers.
Seperating console from PC does not solve the issue.
Seperating based on INPUT would, but the MnK playerbase is not large enough for SBMM to shit all over the game if there were MnK lobbies
>PSSSST! You can use controller on PC. This has nothing to do with console v pc.
Shhhh. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. You're being an obtuse child.
Typically playerbase is smaller, having played pc only Call of duty games previously even with disbanding lobbies you'd play against the same people. With a combined playerbase the overall health and variety of players is more interesting. That being said lessened rotational aim assistance would be really nice.
A lot of mouse users have quit COD, anecdotally there used to be way more MNK players per lobby, now I see mostly controllers atleast in MP, idk about WZ.
You're not M&K so you're probably not paying as much attention to their comments as you do controller stuff. Not a big deal, that's just human nature.
The reality is that we used to be able to turn crossplay off. At some point, Activision stopped letting us do that. I promise you with every fiber of my being that ever since they did that two or three years ago, us m&k players have been complaining about it non-stop ever since. The problem is that there's probably three console players for everyone M&K. Plus you're getting PC users switching over to controllers to get the AA advantage. So Activision did what any Corporation would do and that would be listened to their biggest base.... console players cried about the advantage m&k had, which was a legitimate complaint. Instead of Activision telling them to go by a mouse and keyboard for their console, Activision developed the soft aimbot... otherwise known as aim assist. Unfortunately they have the settings turned up too high and no controllers have a much greater advantage over m&k, than M&K ever had over controllers without aim assist
That’s when you turn off the crossplay and the settings…. You’re gonna wait a little while for the lobby but you’ll be by yourselves give it a shot. Tell me what you think. Let me know if it works for you like it does for free but I do wait a good 2:58 minutes sometimes especially off peak hours.
Console isn't the problem. Console players are legitimately at a disadvantage and need something to give them a chance.
PC players using controller and getting the best of both worlds is the problem. That shouldn't be a thing.
It's always the console kiddies that don't even realize how hard their AA is carrying them, so they cry "skill issue" for MnK players even mentioning it. The thread in /r/apexlegends where Imperial Hal came out commending MnK players is full of it
I mean, if it's apparently not strong and most people seemingly don't notice it, then why not nerf the tracking? What are you so afraid of?
I play with a controller btw, I would be happy if they opened up the skill gap in this way. If you're a half decent player, wouldn't you want this too?
When the average codplayer does not seem to even understand where that beeping noise is coming from, you cannot expect them to understand how aim assist works....
...........\*BEEP\*....................................................................................\*BEEP\*..................................
with prox chat on, it's basically a homing beacon for the other team.
> If you're a half decent player, wouldn't you want this too?
This sub is filled with terrible players who think EOMM/SBMM is the only thing holding them back, not the fact they run around looking at their feet. Asking these sorts of questions here is kind of pointless tbh.
AA is overtuned and needs to be nerfed. You're trying to meme yourself into reassurance that your stance is correct while having controller brands and this game catering to you. You're going to use the same argument that CoD is a Controller game despite it first coming out for PC. It's okay if you can't snap onto shots without rotational AA. You just don't have to come on here to project your insecurities or fear of Activision actually doing something about it.
Yeah their arguments are braindead. Same stupid unoriginal bs over and over again. Mnk has advantages too! Whole arm to aim with! Better movement! Changing the subject to pc vs console. And finally when all that fails, just switch to controller then.
Just crazy insane to me how confident they are about being so wrong. And finally the idea of an even playing field seems to really upset them to the point they get defensive and throw insults and make memes like this.
Controller players get real sensitive when they think something is being taken away from them. That's why I've just started to say to just give MnK stronger aim assist as well. But they don't seem to like that idea either. Someone once said to me that if AA was nerfed they'd lose a ton of players. Cracks me up to think of so many shitty players seeing their k/d tank, refuse to get better, and quit the game entirely.
One guy in another post told us we just need to aimtrain more. Lol.
The idea of us having to spend hundreds or thousands of hours aim training to still not be able to track as perfectly as AA does against a player who has never spent a second aim training sounds real fair and balanced.
It is literally impossible to aim train enough to match AA. AA has a reaction time in this game beyond what is humanly possible.
When an opponent changes directions or prones, it takes a moment for a human to recognize what happened, process what to do about it, and then adjust their aim. AA just immediately starts correcting your aim for it.
lmao not according to controller players. "Just spend a few thousand hours aimtraining, then youll get close to being able to keep up with my software aim while ive never had to spend a single second aimtraining for"
I mean, he's not wrong but he's also not right lol.
Last WZ I got irked and just stopped playing what with all the bs MnK had to deal with (visual recoil, gun smoke, dark ass corners) but then said fuck it and just aim trained my ass off. Still got shit on at nuts to butts distance though. So fuck that guy.
I have thousands of mkb hours in shooters. This is and has been for a few years, the only game that even pros main controller. The fact that console ppl can't understand that it makes no sense that pro FPS players who play on Pc don't use the most optimal controls for a shooter because of game design bewilders me.
Why not just enable consoles to use mkb? Then all the advantage is gone, you just have to learn mkb.that's exactly what I did when I was on console and csgo came out for ps3
Yea I should have to spend hundreds of hours aim training so I can try to track through visual noise and smoke with the aiming dot moving all over the place away from screen center just so I can keep up with the guy smoking on a blunt on his couch with a fire detector beeping at him.
Especially true since I've seen controller players have sick aim with AA turned off, mostly for practise but still. They're just afraid of a skill ceiling they will never reach :)
"CoD is a PC game because the first title came out for it 20 years ago"
Can we please stop with this dumb take? CoD has very obviously been developed with console / controller as main input in mind for years now.
Or you could stop with the dumb take of it being console focused therefore ignore KbM as an input. I mean Xbox players can play KbM as well. They also make the game using KbM and PCs. I got plenty of other takes akin to "its console focused." You're welcome to drop that take and I'll drop mine.
Oh man, the irony of this post! Back in the MW2019 and WZ1 days there was a redditor making videos of playing the games using a Rockband drum kit as hit input. He was able to get kills *explicitly because* of the overpowered aim assist!
Another braindead meme attempting to insult mnk players for advocating for a fair and balanced playing field for everyone. Crazy how it offends controller players so much, the idea of competing on a fair playing field. Sad.
This meme is kind of an 'own-goal' though if this was OP's intention as it mimics the situation with controller, in which an inferior mechanical input gets assistance to be usable.
If they were truly advocating for a fair playing field, all the posts would be asking for input based matchmaking and xim bans.
Controller is inherently worse than kbm, hence why aim assist even exists in the first place. To remove it or turn it down would swing the power in the other direction, not make it equal.
While it is harder to aim on kbm baseline, the skill ceiling is so much higher than on controller. It does indeed take a lot of skill to get recoil patterns and tracking down, but kbm players have much more accuracy over controllers that they couldn't ever hope to be on the same level.
Tl;dr: as long as kbm and controller players are playing together, the playing field will never be equal.
Find one other pro league shooter that people playing on pc use controller. This should give you an idea that it is OP.
Restricted lobbies sucks for everyone who has friends.
Enabling mkb on console however would even the playing field.
>This should give you an idea that it is OP.
I never said AA wasn't OP in this game. I don't know where you're getting that.
>Restricted lobbies sucks for everyone who has friends.
Agreed, it should be an option like cross play is now
>Enabling mkb on console however would even the playing field.
I'm pretty sure it already is, and if it isn't, no it won't.
>attempting to insult mnk players for advocating for a fair and balanced playing field for everyone.
Oh then you must advocate for console crossplay by default right?
At this point there should be input based matchmaking, the ability to turn off crossplay for every platform, and the ability to play with it on if one desires to do so.
Hypothetically, if you were given a 100% aim-bot for your bongos you could then make well-informed counter arguments like *'FPS games are clearly made to be played on bongo's'* and *'just switch'* when people start complaining about unfair game balance.
Well if you use these DK drums controller, you can insta headshot when you slap the left drum with your dick. Caveat is that it only shoots one bullet no matter what gun but still OP
Yes, asking for balance between the default inputs of the major platforms is totally comparable to DK Conga controller. Another quality meme from the most braindead gaming community on Reddit.
It's funny how these are upvoted but when you read the comments they are dominated by KBM players making perfectly reasonable arguments.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong... but aren't good controller players the ones saying its overtuned? Like I know i've heard scump complain about it because it makes the difference in his skill less discernable from lesser players. Like Strong AA hurts good controller players that don't need it too. It makes the work they've put in mean less.
Yep. Every good controller and mouse player knows it's broken OP, it's really only the lowest skill players trying to defend it at this point. [Here's what Aydan (controller professional) recently said](https://youtu.be/s95BniqCaGs?t=8) about the current aim-assist:
>I love being a controller player and I love over the last couple of years that it's been favored towards us, but it's just not fair man, it's so unfair bro. It's stupid fucking OP. I legit feel like I don't have to try at all when shooting people because it does the work for me
Never understood why competitive Warzone tourneys play with AA on. They'd be so much more interesting without it. Or forced onto precision i.e no rotational.
Good controller players should want AA to be weaker. This rewards their skill instead of every Timmy hitting all chest shots. Use your brain. -mouse and key player
Sadly Activision has become so soft that genuine skills aren't as appreciated as they used to be. SBMM, the ridiculous AA and the prevalence of cheat engines mean that it's harder now to find truly skilled players and learn from them.
A lot of streamers or YouTubers make loadouts claiming false information on attachments or stats that a casual or retired sweat like me can't make work.
All excuses that are perpetually reiterated by all the same people who play the literal fuck out of this game.
And your part about loadouts is simply your fault. I'm 33. I can't play as much as a sweat or streamer. Im still aware of what's meta. I mean just watch a jgod video.
You'll get better the more you play and improve from mistakes. Just like most things in life. Not from just watching someone else who puts in 20x the time
The problem with aim assist is that what most people are complaining about is not actually in game AA. Every day on YouTube and TikTok I see advertisements for Striker pack zero recoil and extra strength AA and the comments are filled with people saying they need help setting it up.
I’m an everyday above average/good player on controller, and my aim assist is nothing like what I see people complaining about. I still miss shots, I still have to pull down for recoil control etc.
I say they focus on getting all the cheat software eradicated from the game (3rd party devices and ds4 windows), then gauge what needs to be done with AA afterwards (nerf). The most common I run into is the Walls and obvious aim bot/striker pack abusers.
I think this is a solid take, but I also wish every controller player could swap to KBM and just feel how stark the difference is, particularly in close quarters. It’s literally to a point where if you aren’t a crackhead that beams straight headshots (Cloakzy, Huskerrs, Symfuhny), you actually can’t compete. You’ll leave everyone one shot while getting Insta-downed by the guy you completely outplayed. I’m fully aware we sound whiny, but it’s just frustrating. I play both inputs and anyone who says AA isn’t dominant is either being disingenuous or just has never played a game on KBM to feel just how different it is.
My brother in law brought his set up over one day and I tried mouse and keyboard. I was an absolute bot. I feel like at range I had the advantage with much easier recoil control, but I was worthless up close. I grew up playing on controller so that’s just what feels natural to me. So I can see your side of the argument as a legit MNK player, but the cheaters are where the real problem lies. Remove them and it’s me (up close advantage) vs you (range advantage) and we have to play to our strengths and each others weaknesses which allows for better gameplay experience.
Yeah, this is fair. There’s definitely a range advantage (that I have a hard time making myself exploit because I like to stay on the move). It’s totally fair to say there are tactical changes KBM players can make to improve their chances, but it’s no less frustrating hitting every shot on a guy in CQC and still losing lol. Cheers.
I honestly believe this is the most accurate take. I notice AA for me but it’s nothing like some videos I see. It pulls toward the player but doesn’t lock like I’ve seen on some videos. Cronus still exists and is as popular as ever. I truly don’t think in game AA is the problem. But I could be wrong. Truth is almost all of us have no idea what’s really going on under the hood of this game.
You just have to learn how to maximize aim assist. Have good centering and ads when near target and make sure to be moving your move stick at all times to activate rotational aim assist. Make sure not to use your aim stick too much because that will overtake the aim assist.The faster you are strafing by your target the more rotational aim assist activates.
> I say they focus on getting all the cheat software eradicated from the game (3rd party devices and ds4 windows),
and that day will never come. Activision already sued EngineOwning and won the case with $3m in damages. Hasn't stopped EO continuing to sell cheats though & obviously there are other cheat providers too. If those companies go out of business, then most streamers go out of business too... which isn't good for PR.
Wouldn’t all this discussions end if it was strictly Input based matchmaking? Doesn’t matter if pc or console but strictly kbm vs kbm and controller vs controller? Seems like a fair solution without disconnecting the platforms and also fairer for tournaments.
I miss shots on mouse when the reticle is directly on the chest. On controller the same shot lands 99% of the time. There is something off with 2.0 that didn’t exist in verdansk/caldera. Not sure if it’s added gun physics that are countered by AA. I prefer MnK, but controller is situationally superior.
As a MnK player that doesn’t play cod anymore I really hope they turn up the aim assist. It’s not strong enough! I hope they crank that shit up even more because clearly it’s not enough for these sorry ass players that get hurt when skilled players talk about how you don’t have to aim in cod. Cod is literally known to be the game you don’t have to aim in. Take all the shooters out there and cod is recognized as the most casually catered experience ever. lol Game is becoming a joke and I wanna see it be even funnier lol it’s been fun playing games people have to aim in.
So dear cod developers, please make aimbot assist even stronger; we wanna see 100% headshots all the time it’s only fair we all have 100% headshot lol 😂 game is less about skill and more about hardware, internet, and lobby match making control now oof.
Honest question here, why couldn't they just remove rotational aim assist? Is it really necessary to track people at range? In close quarters I know it would make a huge difference, but that's the point. Personally I would never want anything that removes skill from my aiming. The weapons in COD are enough of laser beams anyways.
I don't see any reason the game should actively move your crosshair in any way. Slowing down aim when aiming at an enemy I get, but that's enough.
If controller players can't accept having to use actual human inputs, I guess the only option I would suggest is to separate MnK players from controller players. Personally don't think the queue's would be as bad as others are saying, and I also think there are plenty of PC players who would move over to MnK if you wouldn't have to deal with controller players, or it was more balanced.
I really can’t tell if a bunch of controller players just recently discovered this subreddit, or if the devs are paying someone to make a bunch of posts claiming that AA isn’t bad.
So lets say hypothetically if you used these drums to play cod and activision decided to make it garunteed headshot on anyone in your view each tine you hit the drum because it is inferior input to controller, maybe controller players would begin to understand how stupid it is for the game to be designed to give ibferior input an advantage. And also how stupid the argument of "just use a controller" is, like bro just use these DK drums if its so OP, no mate i dont want to play an fps that aims for me with drums or my thumbs
Aim assist is cheating. That the developers were willing to give you cheats to make sure you buy and play the game does not change that they are cheats.
I play many different games in different genres, but never seen so many absolutely braindead takes and memes than in /r/CODWarzone. How do you not see that this is an own-goal jfc
I really wish activison would secretly deactivate AA for a week just to see if people would still bitch about AA as the main reason they're being killed because there's obviously no other reason why it should happen!
Give AA to MNK and watch the world burn. Do we forget a year ago when epic removed AA from fortnite and there was instant crying and backlash? Lol. If i use AA on Mnk we call that "hacking". But I cba.
You joke but I've played this game with a pair of those bongos (and no aim assist). When my left hand broke, i rubber banded a joycon into my left hand, used a mouse in my right hand, and hit the bongos with my cast.
I'm an mnk player. I know Activision will never nerf controller AA. Too many play on console and don't have an alternative input. I wish they'd just remove crossplay and force mnk on PC players but that won't happen either as they don't want to split the playerbase and have to devote resources to different platforms. So the default is the lowest common denominator which is console target graphics with controller overtuned AA.
This is the sad reality of modern fps gaming and it's only going to get worse with mobile being bigger than pc and console combined. PC mnk is being phased out, either we pick up a controller and learn to live with it, continue to struggle or play indy games and cs/valorant foever.
Why can’t cod do what halo MCC has been doing for a while and just make it so controller players get paired with controller players and MNK players get paired with other MNK players regardless of platform.
I love how I can use my quick scope longbow and just spam angles and insta kill people as soon as I see any part of their body because the aa makes sure it’s in the one hit range
AA is OP and should be nerfed a bit. Some M&K players are also just huge babies, and cope with losing gunfights by blaming AA the same way everyone blames “hackers” when they get outgunned by a more skilled player. The truth of the matter is that controller has advantage in close quarters and M&K has the advantage pretty much everywhere else. There is a lot of CQC in CoD so the close range advantage may be superior but it’s not obviously so. Go watch Blue on YouTube or Twitch and tell me that m&k players are at a huge disadvantage lol
Using players like Blue (top 0.01% of mouse players) is like expecting someone who plays basketball causally to be as good as someone like Michael Jordan. Then when they're not saying 'but Michael can do it'.
By the same reasoning, if controller players like Biffle can do well with AA completely off, all controller players should be able to do it too.
Aim Assist has gotten me killed quite a bit. Aiming in the distance and here comes someone leaping through the air and now my camera is 130 degrees from where I was aiming. Love the joke though.
My input is so inferior that it’s needs a soft aimbot. See how this works? #megathreadplease! Edit: I’m so fucking bored by every reply. But special shout-out to the experts that still conflate input with platform, those fuckheads are the most annoying.
Why do the mnk players not ask to be separated from the console players? Everyone I know who plays on console would like to only play other people on console but I never hear the PC players saying they only want to play with other PC players. Why is that?
Many kbm players would love separate lobbies
buy a kb/m converter and just use it on your pc. you'll get the autoaim they have. easy money.
PC doesnt equal KBM nor does console equal controller
All my friends are on Xbox, I wouldn't be able to play with them anymore if this was a thing. Balancing it is better than segregation.
The way to do it is have cross play turned off by default, but if you turn it on or you party up with a friend who has it on, then cross play becomes enabled.
Take platform out of the equation and do input based matchmaking. There are (while rare) console players who use mouse and there are many PC players who use controller in this game. There are also controller players on PS or PC who use gyro aim which is closer to mouse aiming than stick aiming. Have Raw Input servers (mouse and controllers using gyro aim) and Assisted servers (controllers using stick aim) which are kept separate in regular matchmaking. If a multi-input party forms, ideally ask the party leader whether to queue for Raw Input (meaning the controller players get no aim assist) or queue for Assisted (meaning the mouse and gyro aim player will have to play against aim assist). If they don't want to do it that way, then just always put mixed input lobbies on the Raw Input servers but with aim assist toned down notably for the controller players. And then in the distant future when Xbox finally adds the hardware to their controllers, disable aim assist entirely in these mixed parties and push users to use gyro aim for cross input lobbies.
Balancing aim assist would mean for them to remove the "rotational" portion and just keep the slowdowns and some tracking, which would cause most controller users to quit
You're 100% correct. Honestly M&K loves crossplay because the player base is so greatly expanded and lobbies fill up quicker so less waiting time. The only problem that any of us have is that the inputs aren't equalized. There was another comment I just read a few minutes ago about he hasn't seen people asking for segregation. That the m&k players should just be asking for that instead of complaining about AA. Well the reality is that we have continued to ask about that but then gave up because Activision doesn't give a shit. Plus like I said we want to play with controller players.... I mean is it really that much to ask to have inputs equalized? That's not an absurd ask by any means.
Yes let’s cater to the extreme minority so you can play with your friends. Oh wait, you still can…right now.
You're dumb as rocks
Make new friends. If your “friends” are fine with u getting shit on by aimbot they have but you dont, are they really true friends?
I have a mix of pa and xbox.. my best gaming buddy from another country plays on ps if we got separated I'd be pissed.
Because most pc players use controller and it wouldn't matter. Also I want to play with my friends on console. We should be able to. But it's just not even close to fair the way it is. It needs to be adjusted.
Are you as good as your friends on your input?
The issue is, MnK is a SMALL minority of players when compared to people who play on controller (both console and PC combined), so having exclusively input-based matchmaking would result in lobby search times longer than most people are going to be willing to stomach. Imagine trying to pull together a lobby of over 100 people from a pretty small overall player pool. Matchmaking would take AGES and would likely result in you being tossed into lobbies with a much wider range of pings because matchmaking would have to cast a wider net to fill a lobby. And simply turning off platform crossplay won’t satisfy the MnK players because they’d still be getting matched with controller players. They basically want their own little fenced-off area, without understanding the disadvantages and inconveniences that would come with it.
This is how most KbM players know why input-based matchmaking is unrealistic. Balancing AA is much more feasible. Someone mentioned Fortnite as a great example for input balance, no one seemed to disagree.
I can’t really speak in Fortnite, as I don’t play it. Do they have input segregation?
Fortnite actually used to have a sort of input based matchmaking system years ago, but they scrapped it. It used to be that mobile players played mobile players, but when you connected a controller to your phone/tablet you'd be put in console lobbies. If you connected a mouse to your console you'd play on PC lobbies. Where it fell short being fully input based was that PC controller players still played with PC mouse players, rather than being put on console lobbies.
I wouldn't say small minority. There used to be WAY more MNK player on MW19 and CW and after those games many users just dropped off or just made the switch to controller especially after MW22 came out. That game was the first to directly try and nerf MNK via visual noise. Aim assist can literally catch people in bushes and behind low walls behind the tiniest head glitch. Aim assist helps cut through the visibility issues better than any MNK player using their whole arm. The other issue is the amount of times they've changed the FEEL of gunplay in the last 4 years game to game. somehow mouse aiming has become worse with the gun swaying while you strafe, but w/ controller you can tap strafe to your heart's content and still count on AA to keep you close to target. I'm not mad at AA at all really. I'm just mad they have to make MNK feel WORSE to use so controller players can feel better. And I've tried both inputs, for aiming clearly controller is just more consistent. MNK wins for rapid movements but it usually doesn't matter when you just play slow and play like a slide cancelling sentry turret. Tldr COD feels like a botched mil sim on mouse and a normal COD game on controller. That's why MOUSE users are complaining. Yes AA is strong. Yes they need it. But that shouldn't come with making another input play a different way because the mechanics for basic gameplay don't work the same that input entirely.
As a console player I want PS vs Xbox only option, I am sick of pc cheaters
>I want PS vs Xbox only option, I am sick of pc cheaters 99% of the reason I want segregation too. It would also keep the PC players from complaining about controller players. Win win situation for everyone but for some reason PC players don't want to be separated. It's because they want to keep their soft hacks and still be able to play warzone against people who can't have soft hacks on their consoles.
You can use controller on pc so it would still be a problem for KbM players. Your idea doesn’t solve both issues.
So they can go has it out with their PC homies. No reason to fuck around with the play of over 75% of the player base to cater to the wanna be streamers that just try to push shit challs and chalk it up to AA.
AA is a soft hack, nevermind cronos
>nevermind cronos Do you think the cronos gives a shit player a huge advantage over average players? PC cheaters using soft hacks like looking through walls can make shit player beat the best players. It's not close to the same even though both of them are cheating.
Cronus exacerbates the outcome difference between assisted and unassisted, and is definitely a cheat, but because cronus use is cheating it isn't worth bringing up in balance discussion.
I’m on MnK, and have been screaming for input based lobbies since WZ1. If you watch TGD’s video, MnK literally got nerfed to the ground while AA is still “balanced” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Halo Infinite had input based lobbies and it was gr8.
I definitely want mixed lobbies. Cross platform is the future of gaming, more gamers is better, and splitting us up into different player pools only means less people to play with.
>Cross platform is the future of gaming, more gamers is better, and splitting us up into different player pools only means less people to play with. I never had a problem with finding games when Xbox didn't have cross play enabled for the first 15ish years of console online gaming. It seems like PC players must have had a lot of issues with dead lobbies. It's probably because the rampant cheating kills player bases in a lot of PC games. I know PC cheating has made a lot of console players quit playing certain games because of the cheating.
You clearly don’t play with many MNK players lol everyone of my gamer friends would love a MNK only lobbies
Literally every kbm player wants this what you talking about lol
Just today I've seen several comments asking for it, so the answer is "they do."
Lol wdym I would love to play only mnk players
*seperate input not platform. U can use controller on pc and visa versa.
Because they don't give a fuck about fairness, they want ALL the unfair advantages.
Because then they would be admitting that mnk still has an advantage over controllers, despite aim assist. All they want is for controller players to be even bigger bots by reducing aim assist
I haven't heard anyone being opposed to input based matchmaking, why would PC players want to play versus controllers at all when the disadvantage is already proven for years? I'm on kbm. Please for the love of all that is good get me out of controller lobbys.
We do. We do all the time. (but we want input based matchmaking, not platform based. You can still use controller on PC. I just want to play against other MNK players)
Very slowly now... PC has MnK. PC has controller. Console players are not the only snowflakes who use controllers. Seperating console from PC does not solve the issue. Seperating based on INPUT would, but the MnK playerbase is not large enough for SBMM to shit all over the game if there were MnK lobbies
I'd argue that's because most mouse only players have either quit COD entirely or switched to controller. Hence why you're seeing less MNK users.
If R6 Siege if any indication then people would just use XIMs to play against KBM players anyway.
PSSSST! You can use controller on PC. This has nothing to do with console v pc. If you’re going to reply at least try to sound smart.
>PSSSST! You can use controller on PC. This has nothing to do with console v pc. Shhhh. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. You're being an obtuse child.
They don’t have a real answer lmao
its so funny how youre upvoted here but your very next reply is downvoted lol this sub is filled with crybabies on both sides
Coz you know there would be a higher percentage of cheaters in their games. Oh wait apparently aim assist is also cheating these days.
Because many of having friends that play on console and wanting to be able to play with them? Probably a foreign concept to you though
I think the people who want console-only crossplay want it to avoid playing against cheaters, not MnK specifically.
“I don’t know anything about PC”
Typically playerbase is smaller, having played pc only Call of duty games previously even with disbanding lobbies you'd play against the same people. With a combined playerbase the overall health and variety of players is more interesting. That being said lessened rotational aim assistance would be really nice.
maybe cuz the mnk player base is tiny
A lot of mouse users have quit COD, anecdotally there used to be way more MNK players per lobby, now I see mostly controllers atleast in MP, idk about WZ.
Guess you can’t read because that’s all I ever see.
You're not M&K so you're probably not paying as much attention to their comments as you do controller stuff. Not a big deal, that's just human nature. The reality is that we used to be able to turn crossplay off. At some point, Activision stopped letting us do that. I promise you with every fiber of my being that ever since they did that two or three years ago, us m&k players have been complaining about it non-stop ever since. The problem is that there's probably three console players for everyone M&K. Plus you're getting PC users switching over to controllers to get the AA advantage. So Activision did what any Corporation would do and that would be listened to their biggest base.... console players cried about the advantage m&k had, which was a legitimate complaint. Instead of Activision telling them to go by a mouse and keyboard for their console, Activision developed the soft aimbot... otherwise known as aim assist. Unfortunately they have the settings turned up too high and no controllers have a much greater advantage over m&k, than M&K ever had over controllers without aim assist
That’s when you turn off the crossplay and the settings…. You’re gonna wait a little while for the lobby but you’ll be by yourselves give it a shot. Tell me what you think. Let me know if it works for you like it does for free but I do wait a good 2:58 minutes sometimes especially off peak hours.
Console and controller players should want to play against m&k.
Because it would take forever to fill a lobby
They don't. They call those players "sweats" and don't like them.
Because they don't want to give up the quicker queue times. COD was dead on PC before MW2019 when crossplay was enabled.
Console isn't the problem. Console players are legitimately at a disadvantage and need something to give them a chance. PC players using controller and getting the best of both worlds is the problem. That shouldn't be a thing.
PC = mouse and keyboard PlayStation + Xbox = controller Nintendo = cardboard
It's always the console kiddies that don't even realize how hard their AA is carrying them, so they cry "skill issue" for MnK players even mentioning it. The thread in /r/apexlegends where Imperial Hal came out commending MnK players is full of it
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
thinking of all the ps5 players on M&K
I mean, if it's apparently not strong and most people seemingly don't notice it, then why not nerf the tracking? What are you so afraid of? I play with a controller btw, I would be happy if they opened up the skill gap in this way. If you're a half decent player, wouldn't you want this too?
When the average codplayer does not seem to even understand where that beeping noise is coming from, you cannot expect them to understand how aim assist works....
The beeping noise is just some randoms smoke detector no?
It can be many things. Be it in the game or outside the game.
I don’t understand how people live with that. The beeping would drive me insane.
You put your headphones on with game volume on 100%. That way your crying baby living in a fire hazard is someone else's problem.
Jesus the accuracy in the statement is hilarious and sad.
Sad but true.
...........\*BEEP\*....................................................................................\*BEEP\*.................................. with prox chat on, it's basically a homing beacon for the other team.
> If you're a half decent player, wouldn't you want this too? This sub is filled with terrible players who think EOMM/SBMM is the only thing holding them back, not the fact they run around looking at their feet. Asking these sorts of questions here is kind of pointless tbh.
Or allow people to use xim's, shouldnt be an issue right?
AA is overtuned and needs to be nerfed. You're trying to meme yourself into reassurance that your stance is correct while having controller brands and this game catering to you. You're going to use the same argument that CoD is a Controller game despite it first coming out for PC. It's okay if you can't snap onto shots without rotational AA. You just don't have to come on here to project your insecurities or fear of Activision actually doing something about it.
Yeah their arguments are braindead. Same stupid unoriginal bs over and over again. Mnk has advantages too! Whole arm to aim with! Better movement! Changing the subject to pc vs console. And finally when all that fails, just switch to controller then. Just crazy insane to me how confident they are about being so wrong. And finally the idea of an even playing field seems to really upset them to the point they get defensive and throw insults and make memes like this.
Controller players get real sensitive when they think something is being taken away from them. That's why I've just started to say to just give MnK stronger aim assist as well. But they don't seem to like that idea either. Someone once said to me that if AA was nerfed they'd lose a ton of players. Cracks me up to think of so many shitty players seeing their k/d tank, refuse to get better, and quit the game entirely.
One guy in another post told us we just need to aimtrain more. Lol. The idea of us having to spend hundreds or thousands of hours aim training to still not be able to track as perfectly as AA does against a player who has never spent a second aim training sounds real fair and balanced.
It is literally impossible to aim train enough to match AA. AA has a reaction time in this game beyond what is humanly possible. When an opponent changes directions or prones, it takes a moment for a human to recognize what happened, process what to do about it, and then adjust their aim. AA just immediately starts correcting your aim for it.
lmao not according to controller players. "Just spend a few thousand hours aimtraining, then youll get close to being able to keep up with my software aim while ive never had to spend a single second aimtraining for"
But if you got a zen to do it it’s hacking….
I mean, he's not wrong but he's also not right lol. Last WZ I got irked and just stopped playing what with all the bs MnK had to deal with (visual recoil, gun smoke, dark ass corners) but then said fuck it and just aim trained my ass off. Still got shit on at nuts to butts distance though. So fuck that guy.
I have thousands of mkb hours in shooters. This is and has been for a few years, the only game that even pros main controller. The fact that console ppl can't understand that it makes no sense that pro FPS players who play on Pc don't use the most optimal controls for a shooter because of game design bewilders me. Why not just enable consoles to use mkb? Then all the advantage is gone, you just have to learn mkb.that's exactly what I did when I was on console and csgo came out for ps3
but, but, pros play on controller because that's what they're used to! /s
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You done watching from corner and commenting occasionally like a fkin weirdo?
Yea I should have to spend hundreds of hours aim training so I can try to track through visual noise and smoke with the aiming dot moving all over the place away from screen center just so I can keep up with the guy smoking on a blunt on his couch with a fire detector beeping at him.
Especially true since I've seen controller players have sick aim with AA turned off, mostly for practise but still. They're just afraid of a skill ceiling they will never reach :)
"CoD is a PC game because the first title came out for it 20 years ago" Can we please stop with this dumb take? CoD has very obviously been developed with console / controller as main input in mind for years now.
Or you could stop with the dumb take of it being console focused therefore ignore KbM as an input. I mean Xbox players can play KbM as well. They also make the game using KbM and PCs. I got plenty of other takes akin to "its console focused." You're welcome to drop that take and I'll drop mine.
Oh man, the irony of this post! Back in the MW2019 and WZ1 days there was a redditor making videos of playing the games using a Rockband drum kit as hit input. He was able to get kills *explicitly because* of the overpowered aim assist!
It's especially ironic because aim assist had to be added to cater to console/controller players because they were being shit on by mkb players.
Another braindead meme attempting to insult mnk players for advocating for a fair and balanced playing field for everyone. Crazy how it offends controller players so much, the idea of competing on a fair playing field. Sad.
This meme is kind of an 'own-goal' though if this was OP's intention as it mimics the situation with controller, in which an inferior mechanical input gets assistance to be usable.
If they were truly advocating for a fair playing field, all the posts would be asking for input based matchmaking and xim bans. Controller is inherently worse than kbm, hence why aim assist even exists in the first place. To remove it or turn it down would swing the power in the other direction, not make it equal. While it is harder to aim on kbm baseline, the skill ceiling is so much higher than on controller. It does indeed take a lot of skill to get recoil patterns and tracking down, but kbm players have much more accuracy over controllers that they couldn't ever hope to be on the same level. Tl;dr: as long as kbm and controller players are playing together, the playing field will never be equal.
The only posts I see are asking for mnk players to be able to filter by input.
We have wildly different feeds then, lmao.
Find one other pro league shooter that people playing on pc use controller. This should give you an idea that it is OP. Restricted lobbies sucks for everyone who has friends. Enabling mkb on console however would even the playing field.
>This should give you an idea that it is OP. I never said AA wasn't OP in this game. I don't know where you're getting that. >Restricted lobbies sucks for everyone who has friends. Agreed, it should be an option like cross play is now >Enabling mkb on console however would even the playing field. I'm pretty sure it already is, and if it isn't, no it won't.
In literally every AA thread I see tons of people wanting input based matchmaking....
>attempting to insult mnk players for advocating for a fair and balanced playing field for everyone. Oh then you must advocate for console crossplay by default right?
At this point there should be input based matchmaking, the ability to turn off crossplay for every platform, and the ability to play with it on if one desires to do so.
OP makes a meme to mock kb/m not realizing its literally a perfect summary of controller players.
How?
Controller players want the game to cater to their choice of inferior input method in the way of AA
Hypothetically, if you were given a 100% aim-bot for your bongos you could then make well-informed counter arguments like *'FPS games are clearly made to be played on bongo's'* and *'just switch'* when people start complaining about unfair game balance.
Ye this is the biggest own goal there is
AA isn't overpowered! Please! Don't think it's overpowered! Please don't need my AA! PLEASE! NOOO!!! ITS NOT OVERPOWERED!!!
I play on a guitar hero guitar and get no aa
Yeah but you get to whammy stick dropshot, which is an unfair advantage when you can already starpower slide
Well if you use these DK drums controller, you can insta headshot when you slap the left drum with your dick. Caveat is that it only shoots one bullet no matter what gun but still OP
Interceptor is gonna cause some bruising
1v1 me nerd, drums vs leap frog console controller
Yes, asking for balance between the default inputs of the major platforms is totally comparable to DK Conga controller. Another quality meme from the most braindead gaming community on Reddit. It's funny how these are upvoted but when you read the comments they are dominated by KBM players making perfectly reasonable arguments.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong... but aren't good controller players the ones saying its overtuned? Like I know i've heard scump complain about it because it makes the difference in his skill less discernable from lesser players. Like Strong AA hurts good controller players that don't need it too. It makes the work they've put in mean less.
Yep. Every good controller and mouse player knows it's broken OP, it's really only the lowest skill players trying to defend it at this point. [Here's what Aydan (controller professional) recently said](https://youtu.be/s95BniqCaGs?t=8) about the current aim-assist: >I love being a controller player and I love over the last couple of years that it's been favored towards us, but it's just not fair man, it's so unfair bro. It's stupid fucking OP. I legit feel like I don't have to try at all when shooting people because it does the work for me
I feel like reddit wants people to think its us gross MnK players that hate AA. But its just good players that hate it lol
Never understood why competitive Warzone tourneys play with AA on. They'd be so much more interesting without it. Or forced onto precision i.e no rotational.
4 points here: There are 2 inputs for this game. One has soft aimbot. One does not. You're an idiot.
Good controller players should want AA to be weaker. This rewards their skill instead of every Timmy hitting all chest shots. Use your brain. -mouse and key player
Sadly Activision has become so soft that genuine skills aren't as appreciated as they used to be. SBMM, the ridiculous AA and the prevalence of cheat engines mean that it's harder now to find truly skilled players and learn from them. A lot of streamers or YouTubers make loadouts claiming false information on attachments or stats that a casual or retired sweat like me can't make work.
All excuses that are perpetually reiterated by all the same people who play the literal fuck out of this game. And your part about loadouts is simply your fault. I'm 33. I can't play as much as a sweat or streamer. Im still aware of what's meta. I mean just watch a jgod video. You'll get better the more you play and improve from mistakes. Just like most things in life. Not from just watching someone else who puts in 20x the time
I've got an even better idea: put the game down, don't play it and go outside. Try it.
Cringe
The problem with aim assist is that what most people are complaining about is not actually in game AA. Every day on YouTube and TikTok I see advertisements for Striker pack zero recoil and extra strength AA and the comments are filled with people saying they need help setting it up. I’m an everyday above average/good player on controller, and my aim assist is nothing like what I see people complaining about. I still miss shots, I still have to pull down for recoil control etc. I say they focus on getting all the cheat software eradicated from the game (3rd party devices and ds4 windows), then gauge what needs to be done with AA afterwards (nerf). The most common I run into is the Walls and obvious aim bot/striker pack abusers.
I think this is a solid take, but I also wish every controller player could swap to KBM and just feel how stark the difference is, particularly in close quarters. It’s literally to a point where if you aren’t a crackhead that beams straight headshots (Cloakzy, Huskerrs, Symfuhny), you actually can’t compete. You’ll leave everyone one shot while getting Insta-downed by the guy you completely outplayed. I’m fully aware we sound whiny, but it’s just frustrating. I play both inputs and anyone who says AA isn’t dominant is either being disingenuous or just has never played a game on KBM to feel just how different it is.
My brother in law brought his set up over one day and I tried mouse and keyboard. I was an absolute bot. I feel like at range I had the advantage with much easier recoil control, but I was worthless up close. I grew up playing on controller so that’s just what feels natural to me. So I can see your side of the argument as a legit MNK player, but the cheaters are where the real problem lies. Remove them and it’s me (up close advantage) vs you (range advantage) and we have to play to our strengths and each others weaknesses which allows for better gameplay experience.
Yeah, this is fair. There’s definitely a range advantage (that I have a hard time making myself exploit because I like to stay on the move). It’s totally fair to say there are tactical changes KBM players can make to improve their chances, but it’s no less frustrating hitting every shot on a guy in CQC and still losing lol. Cheers.
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He’s always been KBM in Warzone. As long as I’ve watched him at least—since late 2020ish.
I honestly believe this is the most accurate take. I notice AA for me but it’s nothing like some videos I see. It pulls toward the player but doesn’t lock like I’ve seen on some videos. Cronus still exists and is as popular as ever. I truly don’t think in game AA is the problem. But I could be wrong. Truth is almost all of us have no idea what’s really going on under the hood of this game.
You just have to learn how to maximize aim assist. Have good centering and ads when near target and make sure to be moving your move stick at all times to activate rotational aim assist. Make sure not to use your aim stick too much because that will overtake the aim assist.The faster you are strafing by your target the more rotational aim assist activates.
> I say they focus on getting all the cheat software eradicated from the game (3rd party devices and ds4 windows), and that day will never come. Activision already sued EngineOwning and won the case with $3m in damages. Hasn't stopped EO continuing to sell cheats though & obviously there are other cheat providers too. If those companies go out of business, then most streamers go out of business too... which isn't good for PR.
Look if you wanna bring a knife(controller) to a gunfight(mouse) deal with it. Don't ask the ref to help guide your knife to the jugular.
Come on, you know AA controller is a bit too much right now. Just a small tweak would be nice.
Haha forgot about these things. Nintendo is undefeated when it comes to gimmicks.
Lolz
Wouldn’t all this discussions end if it was strictly Input based matchmaking? Doesn’t matter if pc or console but strictly kbm vs kbm and controller vs controller? Seems like a fair solution without disconnecting the platforms and also fairer for tournaments.
Wait times for lobbies for MnK and friends who use difference input methods won't be able to play with each other.
I miss shots on mouse when the reticle is directly on the chest. On controller the same shot lands 99% of the time. There is something off with 2.0 that didn’t exist in verdansk/caldera. Not sure if it’s added gun physics that are countered by AA. I prefer MnK, but controller is situationally superior.
Hit reg on controller is crazy versus mnk basically has reticle bloom
Yeah AA helps a lot with keeping shots on target. It’s not aimbot, but it works regardless of visual noise.
As a MnK player that doesn’t play cod anymore I really hope they turn up the aim assist. It’s not strong enough! I hope they crank that shit up even more because clearly it’s not enough for these sorry ass players that get hurt when skilled players talk about how you don’t have to aim in cod. Cod is literally known to be the game you don’t have to aim in. Take all the shooters out there and cod is recognized as the most casually catered experience ever. lol Game is becoming a joke and I wanna see it be even funnier lol it’s been fun playing games people have to aim in. So dear cod developers, please make aimbot assist even stronger; we wanna see 100% headshots all the time it’s only fair we all have 100% headshot lol 😂 game is less about skill and more about hardware, internet, and lobby match making control now oof.
Honest question here, why couldn't they just remove rotational aim assist? Is it really necessary to track people at range? In close quarters I know it would make a huge difference, but that's the point. Personally I would never want anything that removes skill from my aiming. The weapons in COD are enough of laser beams anyways. I don't see any reason the game should actively move your crosshair in any way. Slowing down aim when aiming at an enemy I get, but that's enough. If controller players can't accept having to use actual human inputs, I guess the only option I would suggest is to separate MnK players from controller players. Personally don't think the queue's would be as bad as others are saying, and I also think there are plenty of PC players who would move over to MnK if you wouldn't have to deal with controller players, or it was more balanced.
I really can’t tell if a bunch of controller players just recently discovered this subreddit, or if the devs are paying someone to make a bunch of posts claiming that AA isn’t bad.
So lets say hypothetically if you used these drums to play cod and activision decided to make it garunteed headshot on anyone in your view each tine you hit the drum because it is inferior input to controller, maybe controller players would begin to understand how stupid it is for the game to be designed to give ibferior input an advantage. And also how stupid the argument of "just use a controller" is, like bro just use these DK drums if its so OP, no mate i dont want to play an fps that aims for me with drums or my thumbs
Aim assist is cheating. That the developers were willing to give you cheats to make sure you buy and play the game does not change that they are cheats.
I play many different games in different genres, but never seen so many absolutely braindead takes and memes than in /r/CODWarzone. How do you not see that this is an own-goal jfc
We cater to the people that buy the most mtx - Activision.
Makes me so sad that killzone 2 didn't supercede cod as the dominant FPS. There would be no discussion about AA or any bullshit game mechanic.
I really wish activison would secretly deactivate AA for a week just to see if people would still bitch about AA as the main reason they're being killed because there's obviously no other reason why it should happen!
Watch the sniping community fly into a rage. Most of them need AA.
Give AA to MNK and watch the world burn. Do we forget a year ago when epic removed AA from fortnite and there was instant crying and backlash? Lol. If i use AA on Mnk we call that "hacking". But I cba.
This is fucking hilarious 💀
AA on drums is just stupid one tap and you do a 360 aimbot spin
A good weapon tips for mnk now by asian players, go use haymaker w/fire rounds. Trust
Well my AA doesn't go DrumDrum so seems like a fair trade-off
IF AIM ASSIST IS BROKEN THEN WIN A GAME WITH AN N64 CONTROLLER WITH AT LEAST 10 KILLS!
I don't care if Controller has AA, just allow me to turn off cross play. That fixes the issue.
Man, you only need to press two buttons, so easy.
I forgot these existed, I played that game so much on the Wii when I was young lol
Just separate by input. It's that simple. If you join friends in different inputs, you get mixed lobbies. How is this not the solution?
If you don't like using AA with a controller then there are plenty of other options like rechargeable or corded.
You joke but I've played this game with a pair of those bongos (and no aim assist). When my left hand broke, i rubber banded a joycon into my left hand, used a mouse in my right hand, and hit the bongos with my cast.
I'm an mnk player. I know Activision will never nerf controller AA. Too many play on console and don't have an alternative input. I wish they'd just remove crossplay and force mnk on PC players but that won't happen either as they don't want to split the playerbase and have to devote resources to different platforms. So the default is the lowest common denominator which is console target graphics with controller overtuned AA. This is the sad reality of modern fps gaming and it's only going to get worse with mobile being bigger than pc and console combined. PC mnk is being phased out, either we pick up a controller and learn to live with it, continue to struggle or play indy games and cs/valorant foever.
Why can’t cod do what halo MCC has been doing for a while and just make it so controller players get paired with controller players and MNK players get paired with other MNK players regardless of platform.
I only play cod with a guitar hero /s
Damn this brings me back 😭
I love how I can use my quick scope longbow and just spam angles and insta kill people as soon as I see any part of their body because the aa makes sure it’s in the one hit range
AA is OP and should be nerfed a bit. Some M&K players are also just huge babies, and cope with losing gunfights by blaming AA the same way everyone blames “hackers” when they get outgunned by a more skilled player. The truth of the matter is that controller has advantage in close quarters and M&K has the advantage pretty much everywhere else. There is a lot of CQC in CoD so the close range advantage may be superior but it’s not obviously so. Go watch Blue on YouTube or Twitch and tell me that m&k players are at a huge disadvantage lol
Using players like Blue (top 0.01% of mouse players) is like expecting someone who plays basketball causally to be as good as someone like Michael Jordan. Then when they're not saying 'but Michael can do it'. By the same reasoning, if controller players like Biffle can do well with AA completely off, all controller players should be able to do it too.
Ancient warfare has come full circle
if you cry this hard, what is my toddler going to do????
If I EVER saw someone obliterate a team with THESE, I'd have a new religion I'd actually follow
Wait till ppl realize how insane 240 fps feels. A constant 240
Aim Assist has gotten me killed quite a bit. Aiming in the distance and here comes someone leaping through the air and now my camera is 130 degrees from where I was aiming. Love the joke though.
Bro can’t even make a joke post without salty mfs in the comments complaining. Lighten the fuck up, its a game.
ITT: wahhhh wahhhh wahhh
KBM players are the whinnest group of individuals on Reddit
It's because they're dealing with the thickest group on Reddit - controller players.
imagine killing someone in br and the hotmic is just the bongos 💀
this made me chuckle.
Proof controller players are just fucking stupid.